At the end of the day the joke's on them. Those cretins are undoubtedly paying thousands for their "education." And good luck to them getting a job afterwards...
It is so terrible to see people metaphorically stand in a forest and deny the existence of trees, just so that they can indulge in the most appallingly dishonest emotional cop-out. Sorry guys, but even your religion always taught that being a deceiver, whether you are deceiving yourself or not, ranks among the lowest human condition. In ancient times they couldn't know they were wrong, but in modern times there is great opportunity to know better; that's why, here in 2011, it's deceit.
@Alexandermeister Hey the atheist community over here is growing you know. Please refrain from grouping an entire country with the stupidity of one group. Yes, 50% or so is a lot but it's not everyone.
@colorcube88 sorry mate, no disrespect to the atheist community intended. It gives me hope that your numbers are growing, but what I meant by the comment is that a huge share of the social ills in America can be attributed to the mindlessness typified by such people. My apologies, no insult to American atheists (the fastest growing minority in the USA) intended.
@Alexandermeister It’s okay. Of course, I understand where you're coming from I suppose. From the outside we probably look like total idiots to those countries more mature.
@colorcube88 Lots of countries have religious nuts. What gave rise to my original comment is how religion corrupts the democratic system. (e.g. Rick Perry's pray-a-thons to distract people from real problems and the fundamentalist Christian lobby in Washington) The corruption of democracy by religion is exemplified in these students' willful ignorance -- that same attitude comes into play when they are politically active. And this seems to be very common in the USA unfortunately.
Yeah Ignore Scientific Proof of evolution and always say science is not the truth.. Except when Medical Science is going to save your sorry ass in the Hospital.. damn hypocrites!!!
Hey Creationists, this is the 21st. century, not the 6th. century..... Disgraceful Idiots!!!
This just made me die a little bit inside. However, the narrator said that creationists would be "somewhat scorned." Not at my university (Montana State University) or any other reputable school, they would be laughed out of the building.
These Literalistic Christians miss the entire metaphorical meaning or connotations of their religion....that the story of Christ shows us how to find our higher power or divinity within....to go to ones cross/death willingly with eyes open....The historical tale of Christ where he suffered and died is not the true message....As Joseph Campbell put it...they are all living in the wastelands...trying to find literal/concrete God that does not exist.
Fairy tale..that was the funniest part of the vid...she calls science a fairy tale when their fictional book is a collection of fairy tales complete with unicorns and giants.
at close second was the so called 'paleontology' saying that all the fossils were 'deposited' after the 'great flood of noah', in which sadly the old man couldnt fit the dinosaurs into the arch and so thats why they went extinct. god certainly must work in very mysterious ways. so mysterious that theyre implausibly stupid.
These people CAN"T be serious?The theory of evolution is FACT!It also goes into great depth to explain itself.What do the religious have in depth?All they say is"god did it."What a friggen joke!Goes to show ya how brainwashed the religious IDIOTS really are. his video actually made my blood boil. I can't believe how stupid the religious can actually be.David Dewitt should be called "david the twitt" He shouldn't even be allowed to teach! There is and will NEVER be proof of any god
And you wonder why students in USA get whipped by students in other industrialized nations when it comes to math and sciences. Creation science is a oxymoron.
this is why we are the most dangerous animal on the planet masive self delusion. they should not be allowed to call tehm selves university students...
@thedevitt English literature? No, it was Greek, Hebrew and other languages, but English didn't even exist. And they're using edited versions of books that were cherry-picked by men with an agenda from books that were already edited from the originals. Saying it's "hogwash" is charitable.
There is no way that 40% of Americans believe this nonsense, that's a totally false number. 40% might SAY they believe in a personal god or are even slightly religious but aliteral interpretation of genesis I don't think so...
Don't forget, for much of human history 100% of humans KNEW the world was flat and that the stars were painted on the ceiling, too. Percentages of ignorance mean nothing. Bronze-age superstition is incompatible with science. Which should we give up? (Stop taking antibiotics if you want to believe the former...)
Shrine to Darwin? Darwinists? What side is this reporter on? It's hard to tell.
Evolution is a theory. Creationism is not a theory. It does not have the scientific evidence to back it up that a theory demands. Creationism is a myth.
This is evidence of the laziness of so many Americans who believe it is too hard to actually think. Instead, they live their lives by having someone give them "all the answers", even if the answers are too simplistic to be accurate.
These poor students are spending money on an "education" that I got for free when I was a kid. No scientific evidence for god. To look at all of these facts surrounding them and then say "nope, god made giraffes and they already had genes and stuff.." that is just being willfully ignorant.
Liberty University is one of only a few schools at which creationism is taught, and they do not really teach any science because all they teach is evangelical dogma. Nobody who goes to Liberty or its ilk actually want to learn anything because they think that everything there is to learn can be gotten from their ancient book of myths otherwise known as "the bible." If all the answers are in one book there is no room for intellectual curiosity and therefore no room for science.
The Old Testament as a textbook? Lmfao. Let us give burnt offerings to the mighty god of war and stone to death unruly children, non-virgin wives, and homosexuals! Oh, and leprosy? Cure that by killing some birds.
So to answer your question, I am a young earth creationist for the most part. However, that is mostly due to information I have gathered on biological processes, not necessarily on geological processes. After all, I'm only a biology major, not a geology or earth science major. I'm fully open to an old model, though it think the biological processes contradict that which coincides with the old earth model. I also believe evolution is different from most scientists think it is.
Of course, I'm not denying LU's statment about their belief in young-earth creationism at all. However, LU has helped me to establish a more coherent understanding of young earth creationism, erasing most of my pre-existing doubts. The classic understanding of YEC is primarily Kent Hovind argumentation, and let me tell you NONE of the creationist professors at LU support ANY of the claims or actions made by Hovind. Even Dr. Ross is disgusted with the things that Hovind did and claimed.
"So why hasn`t his work debunking evolution been ever published in any peer reviewed science journal?" - Appeal to ignorance. I already gave you the reason why, bro. My evolutionist colleagues have prejudice against creationism and ID because they believe it is hogwash. It is contradictory to their philosophy about science, therefore anyone who even does so much as mention the word ID or creationism is completely disregarded and a fake scientist. End of story.
Haha! Thunderf00t, really? He's one of the skeptics that more and more people are beginning to despise now, including atheists. Seriously, I've been a skeptic of young earth creationism since high school. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-evolution at all.
"the history of your religion is bloodstained." - Keep the following in mind:
1) I never said you had any problem with Christian people. I said that your accusations about my school's faculty are simply "copy-paste" arguments from anti-creationists, which are empty.
2) With all due respect, what does the abuse of Christianity have to do with creationism, Liberty University education, and the pursuit of science? No offense, but it seems to me like your shifting the goal posts.
"So why haven`t any of his papers ever been accepted and published?" - They have been published, the only difference is that people differ on their WORLDVIEWS, not on the scientific method. That would explain why most of my evolutionist colleagues don't like to give creationism the time of day, because they hold a different worldview which tells them how to interpret scientific data, which I think is one reason why you are against creationism in the first place.
Do you really think Dr. Ross hasn't done anything of the sort? No offense, but I suggest you do a bit more research on this, instead of just throwing out claims that anti-creationists use without question. I'll message you a link that gives all of Dr. Ross' credentials, including published work.
I just encourage you to thick before you toss around empty accusations.
"Nope! Your university does teach this creationist nonsense." - Hahaha! I never said the university DOESN'T teach this creationist "crap". Try not to put words in other people's mouths. I find it funny that you want Ross to be a Nobel Prize winner, yet Stephen Hawking hasn't ever won one either. I guess that must make Hawking a fraud too.
Technically, it isn't brainwashing when the student is the one who chooses to enroll in the university, so ad hominems will get you nowhere, bro.
Everybody watching this video needs to know that AFP is falsely representing Liberty's science education program. The Bible is NOT a required textbook in science classes, but is what students FREELY choose to bring to class. AFP leaves out a lot of what Dr. Ross REALLY says about the deposition of strata. I know Dr. Ross personally and I'm a biology major at Liberty, and I have to say, with all due respect, shame on you AFP, for falsely representing what's REALLY going on at my school.
Todays creationists will be tommorows janitors and waitresses. they are unemployable, they have no skills and offer nothing to society. Imagine if one of these jokers actually got to the job interview at a pharmaceutical company or oil company they'd be laughed out the room and likely go shoot up a church.
1. BTW they tell me at the university here that biologists are going into microbiology because evolutionary biology is a dead science. They all know it's about politics, political correctness, and keeping their jobs. So they keep their mouths shut and move on into microbiology. Again evolutionary biology is a dead science with no place to go.
2. Here's the problem. Evolution is backed into a corner. They have had to change the definition of evolution so many times to keep it "current" that now it is so watered down as to be defined as even neutral change (i.e., no change) is evolution. First, no proof of an actual new species ever occurring. Next, they no longer talk about the need to prove a species evolves to some point in which it is infertile with the parent stock. Evolutionists don't even know that one exists. Thirdly....
3. Third, all their lab experiments are nothing more than dismal failures. Germs are still germs and flies are still flies. Still no new species. Fourth, abiogenesis is another grim failure and therefore they have distanced themselves from that one with vehement condemnations of anyone who has the audacity to bring it up. Fifth, the fossil record has been too embarrassing to talk about and now they are admitting it and distancing themselves from it. So there you have it. The final.......
4. The final thing they are left with is change. Now, any change is change and that is evolution. They will never admit that change within a species can only go so far and never does the species become some new animal. Dog breeders, for example, have been working at improving the breeds for thousands of years. They find that they get great dogs and new breeds but that is all they get. Sorry to disappoint you.
5. Showing evidence doesn't really prove anything. As a matter of fact the case for evolution is falling apart the more we know. Birds have now been proved not to have evolved from dinos. There are no transitional species, the fossil record is evidence against evolution. The scientists have been caught in a world wide conspiracy called Climategate. It's the same shit that they are doing with evolution. Design is proof they are all liars. So I don't see anything getting better.
i have looked at hours of scientific evidence for and against evolution and i have scientifically concluded that evelution has no real life basis what so ever.
I'll just go and chuck in the 10 years and two degrees in biology. Coz its "got no real life basis what so ever". Don't go to the Dr or get any medical help coz thats all basied on EVOLUTION and since thats "wrong" the Dr. Have no clue what they are doing. Just pray for good health,,, that will work.
say, why don't you kept your fairy tale out of my science and I will not think in your church.
then perhaps you can explain to me why darwin sayed that and i quote"if a biological machine that can not have evolved with all the parts at the same time exist then my theory falls apart" then why do such mecognisms exist. such as a spindle on a sperm or other cells. and next time you whant to come back at me with a scientific response then use correct grammar
Are you a troll? As for grammar you should talk! Try spelling as well!
As for flagellum and mecognisms (I think you mean MECHANISMS)
That has already been destroyed by Ken Miller, (a Catholic) if you had looked at the info as you claim you would know that. Type in "ken miller flagellum" to you tube and watch it.
fiar point on my grammar, i deserved that and i did look at your video. on the surface this does have some good points but it cannot explain how a syringe can evolve into a motor. we will not convince each other of our arguments so i just wish you to respect my beliefs. i do have other arguments though
Good on you for having a look, most would not but you cannot make the claim "science cannot explain" (negative evidence). This is a God of the gaps line and falls down as soon as science explains it, which happened with the eye etc (postive evidence). A small amount of - evidence does not trump a huge amount of + evidence
My main objection was your 1st comment "I've looked and there is no sceince". There clearly is.
You do not have to give up your God, Ken Miller has kept his
"...perhaps you can explain to me why [Darwin said that—and I quote;] "if a biological machine that can not have evolved with all the parts at the same time exist then my theory falls apart" [sic] then why do such [mechanisms exist?]"
Here is the "scientific response" you requested, goffyco69: The answer is that through exaptation and scaffolding, functional components needn't always have had the same functions, and that currently necessary functions needn't always have been necessary.
For an understanding of scaffolding (p.365-366) and exaptation (p.361-363), including various "paths to exaptation," I suggest you read the first half (p.358-366) of "The Evolution of Complex Organs" by Dr. Gregory (2008). If need be, I can post the pertinent portions of those sections here, but it would take about 18-20 posts.
Reference:
Gregory, T. R. "The Evolution of Complex Organs." Evolution: Education and Outreach 1.4 (2008): 358-89.
"[I] have looked at hours of scientific evidence for and against evolution and [I] have scientifically concluded that [evolution] has no real life basis what so ever."
Then I suggest you focus your attention to molecular biology/genetics. The highly random nature of insertion by integrase means that endogenous retroviruses in orthologous loci necessitate common ancestry (Skinner et al, 2001; Mitchell et al, 2004). This is corroborated by shared mutations in those ERVs (Johnson & Coffin, 1999).
And the agreeing nested hierarchies that those ERVs and their mutations are arranged in necessitates a specific sequence of divergence (Lebedev et al, 2000; Steinhuber et al, 1995; Anderssen et al, 1997). This sequence is confirmed by the patterns of long terminal repeat discontinuity ratio, and allows the ERVs to be used as molecular clocks that yield rough estimates as to insertion times, and in turn, upper and lower bounds on divergence times (Dangel et al, 1995).
It is a similar issue with pseudogenes, such as L-gulono-γ-lactone oxidase. The same mutational nested hierarchies are present, and they corroborate those of ERVs, as well as give insertion/divergence time estimates. The difference is that the distributional nested hierarchies are determined by whether the organisms have a pseudogene or a parent gene, rather than an insertion or no insertion, as with ERVs (Inai, Ohta, and Nishikimi, 2003; Ohta and Nishikimi, 1999).
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Even heavily conserved genes, such as Cytochrome C/B and interphotoreceptor retinoid binding protein gene (Sato et al, 2003), possess mutational nested hierarchies that can be compared against those of ERVs and pseudogenes.
Yet more sources of evidence are anatomical vestiges, such as the embryological placement of gonads (Shubin, 2009, p.64-66), and the paths of the left and right recurrent laryngeal (Ridley, 2004, p.281-282), and phrenic nerves (Shubin, 2009, p.66-67), and reflexive vestiges, such as the thermoregulatory and emotive contraction of Arrectores pilorum (Darwin, 1872, p.95-102), which indicate decent with modification from ancestral species.
p.s. You said you wanted a scientific response, goffyco69, which is necessarily detailed and sourced. Hopefully you will take the time to examine this evidence as well. And feel free to ask me any questions you may have.
References: Anderssen et al. Virology 234.1 (1997): 14-30. tinyurl(DOT)com/Anderssen1997 Dangel et al. Immunogenetics 42.1 (1995): 41-52. tinyurl(DOT)com/Dangel1995 Darwin, Charles. 1st ed. London: John Murray, 1872. tinyurl(DOT)com/Darwin1872 Inai, Y., Y. Ohta, and M. Nishikimi. J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo) 49.5 (2003): 315-19. tinyurl(DOT)com/Inai2003 Johnson, W. E., and J. M. Coffin. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 96.18 (1999): 10254-0260. tinyurl(DOT)com/Johnson1999
and 40% of Americans couldn't name the country that boarders the US to the North either. Pointless poll....
jknengr796 2 weeks ago
I don't know whether I should laugh or cry...
Rdburnzy 1 month ago
I'm glad to hear that they believe in creationism.
NLCA1987 2 months ago
Liberty University is now training commercial pilots!
watch?v=2Fa9_VsM5Bk
csmcmillion 3 months ago
@csmcmillion Crap! They'll fly into buildings next! Haven't we already learned this lesson yet?!?
7hart2 1 month ago
Ok did anyone else feel physically sick after watching that .....
Edwarddoom 3 months ago
fuck this is a worry.
sashang0 3 months ago
@sashang0 You want a worry? LU is now training commercial pilots!
watch?v=2Fa9_VsM5Bk
csmcmillion 3 months ago
If God didn't want us believing in Darwinism, why did he put Darwin on Earth? :S
angputra 3 months ago
Oh. My. God. There are no adequate words.
Whoops blasphemy.
SOMEONEISBORED2 3 months ago
what a fucking joke. these people should be ashamed of themselves. Fucking retards. You call that an education? hahahahaha
PointsNorth1 3 months ago 2
What a retarded biology class.
MrAtheist1984 4 months ago
At the end of the day the joke's on them. Those cretins are undoubtedly paying thousands for their "education." And good luck to them getting a job afterwards...
aljasm 4 months ago
They have eyes but do not see.
AussieGeoffA 4 months ago
It is so terrible to see people metaphorically stand in a forest and deny the existence of trees, just so that they can indulge in the most appallingly dishonest emotional cop-out. Sorry guys, but even your religion always taught that being a deceiver, whether you are deceiving yourself or not, ranks among the lowest human condition. In ancient times they couldn't know they were wrong, but in modern times there is great opportunity to know better; that's why, here in 2011, it's deceit.
Ackers555 4 months ago
Well I have to agree with them on one point, God IS responsible for creating a huge community of idiots.. so well done God.
russellmeek 4 months ago
Idiots
evictor480 4 months ago
Liberty Uni students and teachers = Retards (& I apologise to the people with true mental retardation for the comparison)
Chooky78 4 months ago
What's there to study in creationism? Seriously, I thought it was just "Tada! The end". Do they go into the mechanism of it all? Sad. Very sad.
Android1963 4 months ago 2
Fairy tales tend to have more talking snakes and magic trees.
welshboy82 4 months ago 3
This video encapsulates everything that is wrong with America.
Alexandermeister 4 months ago
@Alexandermeister Hey the atheist community over here is growing you know. Please refrain from grouping an entire country with the stupidity of one group. Yes, 50% or so is a lot but it's not everyone.
colorcube88 4 months ago
@colorcube88 sorry mate, no disrespect to the atheist community intended. It gives me hope that your numbers are growing, but what I meant by the comment is that a huge share of the social ills in America can be attributed to the mindlessness typified by such people. My apologies, no insult to American atheists (the fastest growing minority in the USA) intended.
Alexandermeister 4 months ago
@Alexandermeister It’s okay. Of course, I understand where you're coming from I suppose. From the outside we probably look like total idiots to those countries more mature.
colorcube88 4 months ago
@colorcube88 Lots of countries have religious nuts. What gave rise to my original comment is how religion corrupts the democratic system. (e.g. Rick Perry's pray-a-thons to distract people from real problems and the fundamentalist Christian lobby in Washington) The corruption of democracy by religion is exemplified in these students' willful ignorance -- that same attitude comes into play when they are politically active. And this seems to be very common in the USA unfortunately.
Alexandermeister 4 months ago
.............really?
501soilder 4 months ago
ap a too ach oooh ugh. What is this?
JustChillin11395 4 months ago
Realmente pasa esto ???
Pobres hijas mias, y yo contento que nacieron en Estados Unidos para un futuro mejor. Que futuro puede haber en un pais que se dedica a rezar?
Yo aprendí sobre la evolución muchos muchos años atras en un pais bananero.
Que pretenden estos cientificos???
5indios 4 months ago
0:18 "Fairy tale"
... Yet she believes in a book of fairy tales as truth. The indoctrination is strong in this one.
TheExtremistModerate 4 months ago
Strange how many of these unschooled charlatans need to wear white coats to give their rubbish some gravitas!
2001Horatio 4 months ago
What the actual fuck?
MeOnStuff 4 months ago
I'm so ashamed to live in America.
MrEksaben 4 months ago
When I think of this 'culture' and I think of their gun laws I shudder.
seveaye 4 months ago
Yeah Ignore Scientific Proof of evolution and always say science is not the truth.. Except when Medical Science is going to save your sorry ass in the Hospital.. damn hypocrites!!!
Hey Creationists, this is the 21st. century, not the 6th. century..... Disgraceful Idiots!!!
SpectreEelman 4 months ago
These idiots are a disgrace to human civilization.
Blackironification 4 months ago
So that guy really thinks Dinosaurs were on the earth 5000 years ago? What a fucking retard. I mean for the love of shit how stupid can someone be?
xBeastSyndrome 4 months ago 2
Fuck. I can't believe some of these people are professors.
SomeAustralian 4 months ago
Creationism is just a lazy persons way of not studying. It's not hard to get all A's in school if all the answers are "God did it ".
TheFoshnak 4 months ago 13
The Fuck? I am a Biology student in VA.......
What the fuck
Jrwiseman4 4 months ago
Creationist paleontologist?
What is this I don't even
them000ch 4 months ago
No, no, NO, NO! This is backwards!!!
Ryzeke 4 months ago
I like mythology too!
erichollywood2002 4 months ago
Oh dear, oh dear! More than 40% you say? Americans have so many reasons to hang their heads in national shame.
s0f0nisba 4 months ago
Thinking that wearing a lab coat during bible study gives it more credence is just remarkable sad...
Theiasember 4 months ago
Wow... can we please kill of all the people who CHOOSE to be retarded? Can that please be a possibility?
JuggernautXUG 4 months ago
wow...
ortatherox 4 months ago
Nonsense dressed up as scientific fact. Tomorrow i start my bachelor in applied astrology.
todesowna 4 months ago
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
musicaestvitamei 4 months ago 9
guys name, is a "paleontology teacher" Like fuck he is.
IWantAll99s 4 months ago
"god created giraffes as a kind of animal"
tushay good sir
RollinLikeABetch 4 months ago
Please please please someone tell me, it's only an April's fools joke!!!
strangefruit42 4 months ago
wait... this stuff is actualy condoned in the US?
slisherslash 4 months ago
@slisherslash Sadly yes. You're looking at the epitome of insanity in my country...
SurrealSymbiont 4 months ago
@slisherslash
yeah like Muslims in Britain but a whole lot less violent
kkkkkkkgggggrrrrrrr 4 months ago
This just made me die a little bit inside. However, the narrator said that creationists would be "somewhat scorned." Not at my university (Montana State University) or any other reputable school, they would be laughed out of the building.
SurrealSymbiont 4 months ago 3
Facepalm!!!!
hognip 4 months ago
I blame the parents.
LegionOfPwn 4 months ago
These Literalistic Christians miss the entire metaphorical meaning or connotations of their religion....that the story of Christ shows us how to find our higher power or divinity within....to go to ones cross/death willingly with eyes open....The historical tale of Christ where he suffered and died is not the true message....As Joseph Campbell put it...they are all living in the wastelands...trying to find literal/concrete God that does not exist.
mbrowshan 4 months ago
Humans are such stupid apes.
g24417 4 months ago
creationism 101
God did it, end of class.
anti1999 4 months ago
god also created the derpasaurus ...
shueyk2320 4 months ago
"God created giraffes and... as uh... this kind of animal and they had those genes already theruh."
BLINDING, BRILLIANT FUCKING INSIGHT!
Guinnesso 4 months ago
marcus ross - whoever you are, you are not a palaeontologist! You are an Idiot!
17Hongo 4 months ago
I love how he wears a lab-coat for authenticity..."Hey I'm a real scientist!!"
verysmartmart 4 months ago
@verysmartmart lmao
BlackThoven 4 months ago
Fairy tale..that was the funniest part of the vid...she calls science a fairy tale when their fictional book is a collection of fairy tales complete with unicorns and giants.
at close second was the so called 'paleontology' saying that all the fossils were 'deposited' after the 'great flood of noah', in which sadly the old man couldnt fit the dinosaurs into the arch and so thats why they went extinct. god certainly must work in very mysterious ways. so mysterious that theyre implausibly stupid.
astroajay 4 months ago
These people CAN"T be serious?The theory of evolution is FACT!It also goes into great depth to explain itself.What do the religious have in depth?All they say is"god did it."What a friggen joke!Goes to show ya how brainwashed the religious IDIOTS really are. his video actually made my blood boil. I can't believe how stupid the religious can actually be.David Dewitt should be called "david the twitt" He shouldn't even be allowed to teach! There is and will NEVER be proof of any god
Kubota71 4 months ago 2
And you wonder why students in USA get whipped by students in other industrialized nations when it comes to math and sciences. Creation science is a oxymoron.
drandydds 4 months ago 4
"Somewhat scorned"? Understatement of the year.
chichiplus 4 months ago 3
aww bless, pretend university doing pretend science.
Quareat 4 months ago
this is why we are the most dangerous animal on the planet masive self delusion. they should not be allowed to call tehm selves university students...
muulieify 4 months ago 2
I'd go to a creation class. It'd be funny.
Quartrez 4 months ago 3
That would be the 40% of Americans who are Republicans.
entropious88 4 months ago 3
WTF Please tell me this is a wind up.
barriepenman 4 months ago 2
HURR god created giraffes hur hurrr
PUSPUSinthaBUSHBUSH 4 months ago 3
@PUSPUSinthaBUSHBUSH
No, they find this video remarkable: people from the middle ages live in 21th century!
auletes 4 months ago
AHAHAHAAHHA 12 people are creationists.
immanueldecano 4 months ago
Creationism... at university level? Also known as English literature?
thedevitt 4 months ago 6
@thedevitt English literature? No, it was Greek, Hebrew and other languages, but English didn't even exist. And they're using edited versions of books that were cherry-picked by men with an agenda from books that were already edited from the originals. Saying it's "hogwash" is charitable.
pahtar 4 months ago
Say the biggest lie with the voice of authority and people will believe you. Especially if they want to believe you.
dbuggridbug 4 months ago 2
lol
Mardil 4 months ago
Appalling.
ArrakeenSandChigger 4 months ago
This video is one of the most intellectually disturbing videos I've ever seen...I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
TheDarkFM 4 months ago 4
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dummychaos 4 months ago
Ask the moron teacher what a kind is, he won't have a fucking clue, it's all shit they pull out of their ass.
stevenweir76 4 months ago
I don't want to live on this planet anymore... Either they are trying to troll us, or they are really, really, really stupid.
mosainagant 4 months ago
There is no way that 40% of Americans believe this nonsense, that's a totally false number. 40% might SAY they believe in a personal god or are even slightly religious but aliteral interpretation of genesis I don't think so...
MindfulFuture 4 months ago 3
These people give god a bad name.
Maat922 4 months ago
This makes me wanna cry... Damn, this is the 21st century isn't it?!?!
Krinthalas 4 months ago
all creationists are retarded.
gasbobful 4 months ago
"Fairly tale ... nothing with depth". The irony, it burns!
BigManFromThe80s 4 months ago 4
LMAO, "University"? Does it mean something different in America?
lyris1 4 months ago 3
One more thing. their own "textbook" tells them to "throw away childish things".
MrMooseMovies 4 months ago
Get that percentage up over 50% and we will all have to bow to this idiocy.
Can you say United States of Taliban?
MrMooseMovies 4 months ago 2
Well I suppose creationism is a good option if you can't understand science.
Anyway, here's the answer to every question for every test in the Creationism course;
'Gawd did it.'
With this knowledge you'll sail through the lessons and receive your degree in Bullshittery in next to no time.
47571660 4 months ago 3
Don't forget, for much of human history 100% of humans KNEW the world was flat and that the stars were painted on the ceiling, too. Percentages of ignorance mean nothing. Bronze-age superstition is incompatible with science. Which should we give up? (Stop taking antibiotics if you want to believe the former...)
Tenacres1 4 months ago
Shrine to Darwin? Darwinists? What side is this reporter on? It's hard to tell.
Evolution is a theory. Creationism is not a theory. It does not have the scientific evidence to back it up that a theory demands. Creationism is a myth.
DrSamba1 4 months ago
This is evidence of the laziness of so many Americans who believe it is too hard to actually think. Instead, they live their lives by having someone give them "all the answers", even if the answers are too simplistic to be accurate.
nmbioguy 4 months ago
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So 40% of Americans are retards?
irelandjam 4 months ago 2
And does their geography department teach that the earth is flat?
DarkAngel182 4 months ago 3
Unbelievable. Speechless.
1numanoid 4 months ago
@1numanoid actually, the people theyre interviewing are the speechless ones.....audio fail
Slacktoo 4 months ago
wow
RDylanH 4 months ago
These poor students are spending money on an "education" that I got for free when I was a kid. No scientific evidence for god. To look at all of these facts surrounding them and then say "nope, god made giraffes and they already had genes and stuff.." that is just being willfully ignorant.
thecodyhughes 4 months ago 3
AH well...
noyourenot3 4 months ago
What an ugly, ignorant and deluded pack of cunts.
martydee 4 months ago 2
Liberty University is one of only a few schools at which creationism is taught, and they do not really teach any science because all they teach is evangelical dogma. Nobody who goes to Liberty or its ilk actually want to learn anything because they think that everything there is to learn can be gotten from their ancient book of myths otherwise known as "the bible." If all the answers are in one book there is no room for intellectual curiosity and therefore no room for science.
DrMIS1 4 months ago 56
This is asinine.
McTaggStar 4 months ago
Pahahahahahaha. Wait, they're not joking?
LeadFarmer1597 4 months ago
Liberty "university"
Blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
what a joke
MrMegatruth 4 months ago
Liberty University is biased towards Christianity and is not an institution of free thought.
It is a joke. A very sad joke with a very sad punchline.
stevenweir76 4 months ago
I've finally come across people getting a degree even more useless then my English and Classics degree!
Balian49 5 months ago
@Balian49 You too have the double kiss of death?
fromthescriptorum 4 months ago
Creationism in...universities??? -.-
TheWoodstock2009 5 months ago
There are an estimated 8 million species on these earth. How could 16 millons animals have fitted into Noah's Ark? Seriously.
BelgianGeneral 5 months ago
This is nothing man. You should see them nowadays. Youtube: holy laughter.
Water4Jeremiah 5 months ago
What do they write the degree certificates with? Crayon?
huntmatuk 6 months ago 2
Wow. This is just...so...ech. I'm a tad speechless.
tchanabc 7 months ago 24
The promoted video for me is "Bad teacher" the movie. How convinent
canesrule96 8 months ago
Those "students" are wasting their time.
jisaid08 8 months ago
The Old Testament as a textbook? Lmfao. Let us give burnt offerings to the mighty god of war and stone to death unruly children, non-virgin wives, and homosexuals! Oh, and leprosy? Cure that by killing some birds.
Ledwix 8 months ago
@Ledwix Don't forget killing non-believers, big or small, from adults to children.
mscubana 8 months ago
@lligam millions of years of evolution, not billions
KyuubiNaruto1337XD 9 months ago
@lligam
(cont.)
So to answer your question, I am a young earth creationist for the most part. However, that is mostly due to information I have gathered on biological processes, not necessarily on geological processes. After all, I'm only a biology major, not a geology or earth science major. I'm fully open to an old model, though it think the biological processes contradict that which coincides with the old earth model. I also believe evolution is different from most scientists think it is.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
Of course, I'm not denying LU's statment about their belief in young-earth creationism at all. However, LU has helped me to establish a more coherent understanding of young earth creationism, erasing most of my pre-existing doubts. The classic understanding of YEC is primarily Kent Hovind argumentation, and let me tell you NONE of the creationist professors at LU support ANY of the claims or actions made by Hovind. Even Dr. Ross is disgusted with the things that Hovind did and claimed.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
"So why hasn`t his work debunking evolution been ever published in any peer reviewed science journal?" - Appeal to ignorance. I already gave you the reason why, bro. My evolutionist colleagues have prejudice against creationism and ID because they believe it is hogwash. It is contradictory to their philosophy about science, therefore anyone who even does so much as mention the word ID or creationism is completely disregarded and a fake scientist. End of story.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
Haha! Thunderf00t, really? He's one of the skeptics that more and more people are beginning to despise now, including atheists. Seriously, I've been a skeptic of young earth creationism since high school. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-evolution at all.
Relax, you don't need to "brainwash" me. ;)
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
(cont.)
"the history of your religion is bloodstained." - Keep the following in mind:
1) I never said you had any problem with Christian people. I said that your accusations about my school's faculty are simply "copy-paste" arguments from anti-creationists, which are empty.
2) With all due respect, what does the abuse of Christianity have to do with creationism, Liberty University education, and the pursuit of science? No offense, but it seems to me like your shifting the goal posts.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
"So why haven`t any of his papers ever been accepted and published?" - They have been published, the only difference is that people differ on their WORLDVIEWS, not on the scientific method. That would explain why most of my evolutionist colleagues don't like to give creationism the time of day, because they hold a different worldview which tells them how to interpret scientific data, which I think is one reason why you are against creationism in the first place.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
Typo: I just encourage you to THINK before you toss around empty accusations.
Dr. Ross HAS submitted peer-reviewed work, so don't think you can get away with saying that he's NEVER done so, because that is absolutely false.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
That's an appeal to ridicule at best.
Do you really think Dr. Ross hasn't done anything of the sort? No offense, but I suggest you do a bit more research on this, instead of just throwing out claims that anti-creationists use without question. I'll message you a link that gives all of Dr. Ross' credentials, including published work.
I just encourage you to thick before you toss around empty accusations.
BassP86 10 months ago
@lligam
"Nope! Your university does teach this creationist nonsense." - Hahaha! I never said the university DOESN'T teach this creationist "crap". Try not to put words in other people's mouths. I find it funny that you want Ross to be a Nobel Prize winner, yet Stephen Hawking hasn't ever won one either. I guess that must make Hawking a fraud too.
Technically, it isn't brainwashing when the student is the one who chooses to enroll in the university, so ad hominems will get you nowhere, bro.
BassP86 10 months ago
Everybody watching this video needs to know that AFP is falsely representing Liberty's science education program. The Bible is NOT a required textbook in science classes, but is what students FREELY choose to bring to class. AFP leaves out a lot of what Dr. Ross REALLY says about the deposition of strata. I know Dr. Ross personally and I'm a biology major at Liberty, and I have to say, with all due respect, shame on you AFP, for falsely representing what's REALLY going on at my school.
BassP86 10 months ago
'Fairytale. Nothing with depth'. She really knows her bible!
loveisalaserquest 10 months ago
6000 years old eh? 4000 years aFTER agriculture. What about Chine Egypt etc all before their time line?
Greyhound1405 1 year ago
lol, thank you for sending your son to die for us. These people are both ignorant and deluded.
endthedisease 1 year ago
Todays creationists will be tommorows janitors and waitresses. they are unemployable, they have no skills and offer nothing to society. Imagine if one of these jokers actually got to the job interview at a pharmaceutical company or oil company they'd be laughed out the room and likely go shoot up a church.
ganados0 1 year ago
GOD DUN IT. Praise Jesus.
I can has creationism degree now?
MrLawrenceV 1 year ago 2
americans and that blonde are so dumb, what a shame :(
ignacio1200 1 year ago
This is sooooo embarrassing....
goobergel 1 year ago
lmao at these people. 40% of americans are dumb as hell.
DarthSchwartz 1 year ago 2
@DarthSchwartz Interesting. I always find it comical when evolutionists assume that creationists are stupid.
fishslab 1 year ago
@fishslab creationists are stupid.
DarthSchwartz 1 year ago 2
1. BTW they tell me at the university here that biologists are going into microbiology because evolutionary biology is a dead science. They all know it's about politics, political correctness, and keeping their jobs. So they keep their mouths shut and move on into microbiology. Again evolutionary biology is a dead science with no place to go.
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
2. Here's the problem. Evolution is backed into a corner. They have had to change the definition of evolution so many times to keep it "current" that now it is so watered down as to be defined as even neutral change (i.e., no change) is evolution. First, no proof of an actual new species ever occurring. Next, they no longer talk about the need to prove a species evolves to some point in which it is infertile with the parent stock. Evolutionists don't even know that one exists. Thirdly....
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
3. Third, all their lab experiments are nothing more than dismal failures. Germs are still germs and flies are still flies. Still no new species. Fourth, abiogenesis is another grim failure and therefore they have distanced themselves from that one with vehement condemnations of anyone who has the audacity to bring it up. Fifth, the fossil record has been too embarrassing to talk about and now they are admitting it and distancing themselves from it. So there you have it. The final.......
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
4. The final thing they are left with is change. Now, any change is change and that is evolution. They will never admit that change within a species can only go so far and never does the species become some new animal. Dog breeders, for example, have been working at improving the breeds for thousands of years. They find that they get great dogs and new breeds but that is all they get. Sorry to disappoint you.
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
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5. Showing evidence doesn't really prove anything. As a matter of fact the case for evolution is falling apart the more we know. Birds have now been proved not to have evolved from dinos. There are no transitional species, the fossil record is evidence against evolution. The scientists have been caught in a world wide conspiracy called Climategate. It's the same shit that they are doing with evolution. Design is proof they are all liars. So I don't see anything getting better.
MaximusArurealius 1 year ago
THIS IS MY CLASS!!! WOOHOO
ziggymrt 1 year ago
the flagellum disproves evolutionism
goffyco69 2 years ago
i have looked at hours of scientific evidence for and against evolution and i have scientifically concluded that evelution has no real life basis what so ever.
goffyco69 2 years ago
Then you are doing it wrong.
cmotdibbl3r 2 years ago
@goffyco69
o for awesome dude.
I'll just go and chuck in the 10 years and two degrees in biology. Coz its "got no real life basis what so ever". Don't go to the Dr or get any medical help coz thats all basied on EVOLUTION and since thats "wrong" the Dr. Have no clue what they are doing. Just pray for good health,,, that will work.
say, why don't you kept your fairy tale out of my science and I will not think in your church.
PrometheusFireNZ 2 years ago
then perhaps you can explain to me why darwin sayed that and i quote"if a biological machine that can not have evolved with all the parts at the same time exist then my theory falls apart" then why do such mecognisms exist. such as a spindle on a sperm or other cells. and next time you whant to come back at me with a scientific response then use correct grammar
goffyco69 2 years ago
@goffyco69
Are you a troll? As for grammar you should talk! Try spelling as well!
As for flagellum and mecognisms (I think you mean MECHANISMS)
That has already been destroyed by Ken Miller, (a Catholic) if you had looked at the info as you claim you would know that. Type in "ken miller flagellum" to you tube and watch it.
Then get back to me!
PrometheusFireNZ 2 years ago
fiar point on my grammar, i deserved that and i did look at your video. on the surface this does have some good points but it cannot explain how a syringe can evolve into a motor. we will not convince each other of our arguments so i just wish you to respect my beliefs. i do have other arguments though
goffyco69 2 years ago 2
@goffyco69
Good on you for having a look, most would not but you cannot make the claim "science cannot explain" (negative evidence). This is a God of the gaps line and falls down as soon as science explains it, which happened with the eye etc (postive evidence). A small amount of - evidence does not trump a huge amount of + evidence
My main objection was your 1st comment "I've looked and there is no sceince". There clearly is.
You do not have to give up your God, Ken Miller has kept his
PrometheusFireNZ 2 years ago
"...perhaps you can explain to me why [Darwin said that—and I quote;] "if a biological machine that can not have evolved with all the parts at the same time exist then my theory falls apart" [sic] then why do such [mechanisms exist?]"
Here is the "scientific response" you requested, goffyco69: The answer is that through exaptation and scaffolding, functional components needn't always have had the same functions, and that currently necessary functions needn't always have been necessary.
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
For an understanding of scaffolding (p.365-366) and exaptation (p.361-363), including various "paths to exaptation," I suggest you read the first half (p.358-366) of "The Evolution of Complex Organs" by Dr. Gregory (2008). If need be, I can post the pertinent portions of those sections here, but it would take about 18-20 posts.
Reference:
Gregory, T. R. "The Evolution of Complex Organs." Evolution: Education and Outreach 1.4 (2008): 358-89.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Gregory2008
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
"[I] have looked at hours of scientific evidence for and against evolution and [I] have scientifically concluded that [evolution] has no real life basis what so ever."
Then I suggest you focus your attention to molecular biology/genetics. The highly random nature of insertion by integrase means that endogenous retroviruses in orthologous loci necessitate common ancestry (Skinner et al, 2001; Mitchell et al, 2004). This is corroborated by shared mutations in those ERVs (Johnson & Coffin, 1999).
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
And the agreeing nested hierarchies that those ERVs and their mutations are arranged in necessitates a specific sequence of divergence (Lebedev et al, 2000; Steinhuber et al, 1995; Anderssen et al, 1997). This sequence is confirmed by the patterns of long terminal repeat discontinuity ratio, and allows the ERVs to be used as molecular clocks that yield rough estimates as to insertion times, and in turn, upper and lower bounds on divergence times (Dangel et al, 1995).
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
It is a similar issue with pseudogenes, such as L-gulono-γ-lactone oxidase. The same mutational nested hierarchies are present, and they corroborate those of ERVs, as well as give insertion/divergence time estimates. The difference is that the distributional nested hierarchies are determined by whether the organisms have a pseudogene or a parent gene, rather than an insertion or no insertion, as with ERVs (Inai, Ohta, and Nishikimi, 2003; Ohta and Nishikimi, 1999).
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
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Even heavily conserved genes, such as Cytochrome C/B and interphotoreceptor retinoid binding protein gene (Sato et al, 2003), possess mutational nested hierarchies that can be compared against those of ERVs and pseudogenes.
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
Yet more sources of evidence are anatomical vestiges, such as the embryological placement of gonads (Shubin, 2009, p.64-66), and the paths of the left and right recurrent laryngeal (Ridley, 2004, p.281-282), and phrenic nerves (Shubin, 2009, p.66-67), and reflexive vestiges, such as the thermoregulatory and emotive contraction of Arrectores pilorum (Darwin, 1872, p.95-102), which indicate decent with modification from ancestral species.
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
p.s. You said you wanted a scientific response, goffyco69, which is necessarily detailed and sourced. Hopefully you will take the time to examine this evidence as well. And feel free to ask me any questions you may have.
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
Lebedev et al. Gene 247.1-2 (2000): 265-77.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Lebedev2000
Mitchell et al. PLoS Biology 2.E234 (2004).
tinyurl(DOT)com/Mitchell2004
Ohta, Y., and M. Nishikimi. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta. 1472.1-2 (1999): 408-11.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Ohta1999
Ridley, M. Evolution. 3rd ed. Malden, Massachusetts: Blackwell, 2004.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Ridley2004
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago
Sato et al. Zoological Science 20.2 (2003): 243-64.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Sato2003
Shubin, N. H. "This Old Body." Scientific American Jan. 2009: 64-67.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Shubin2009
Skinner et al. Journal of Biological Chemistry 276.1 (2001): 114-24.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Skinner2001
Steinhuber et al. Human Genetics 96.2 (1995): 188-92.
tinyurl(DOT)com/Steinhuber1995
MolecularBioVids2 2 years ago