Smoking pot can expose thoughts and "understandings" that I have been suppressing, but I don't function as well in everyday life. So it's better for a night time remedy to reflect on the day.
I have had moments of awakening or experiencing my true self while high BUT it wasn't the drug that's did it they were just a small part of the equation. Usually when i get high i just feel messed up and have a laugh with no "deep" thoughts going on at all. HAHAHA
It can be a good tool. Hell I use mmj, so I can't say its bad. But it isnt the path to your true self. Just like a shoe isnt going to get you to the top of a mountain, or a piece of string won't catch a fish.
Hash can be used a an amazing tool, sometimes its just what a person needs to quiet the mind and get a fresh perspective. The human body is built to use the Cannabinoids found in marijuana in a positive way. Healing the body emotionally and physiologically. You cant say this about inhaling solvents, so the comparison is kind of flawed.
hash is a tool as good as its tool user, it will only react to where u want to go and help u to it, i remember when i had a spiritual exp on it... it was fucking intense, i was smoking w/ other ppl but they didnt have anything further then the regular high, but i will always remember what the consciousness in my head FIRST said as soon as i entered that state, i looked at my friends and it said "they got high to escape, u got high to experience" i was on a different energy field
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Part 2 - that I had learned all that I could from it, and it was time to move on. Since then, I feel like I have developed so much more spiritually, and intellectually, as a person. I feel a lot more at peace with myself, and much more contented. I also used to rely on smoking hash to gain creativity to write music, and I belive it did used to help me with that. But now, I am so much more creative, and all my ideas come clear and are remembered..
Part 1 - In my experience hash has been good and bad. I started smoking heavily, and daily, from the young age of 14. I did so until I was around 18, and I am now 20. What it did for me was, naturally detached me from a lot of fruitless activities, and also from the herd mentality. It definitely helped me begin to empathise with other beings too. But after a while it became too much of a habit, and I started getting anxious and a bit parnoid when I smoked it. I think it was it's way of saying...
I have been reading all the comments with some amusement, pot smoking is not for me, it will not get me to where I am going. I like the quote from Alan Watts, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone." Do everything in moderation, avoid addictions. I have friends who use pot regularly, I love them and I accept their choice to use it:-)
... Music has the pot-ential to transport the mind to a transendent state. But when the music stops- what we believe to be our every day reality comes rushing back. A piece of music optimaly suited to our mind may leave us floating a little higher above our original state for days before we settle back. Cannabis has a temporary tendancy to leave us slightly below our original state. This results in compulsive consumption. Our dependence is a mechanism of the plants ensured proliferation.
Mmm, Alan Watts had that quote about psychedelics. He himself realized to hang up the phone after many trips, but he still smoked pot! I love love love the psychedelic experience but as an aid in spiritual growth I am skeptical, as integrating the experience into your daily life is hard. So it's sort of like, what's the use? It's a damn good time, though.
honesty can only be in question if one is asked a direct question... Mooji did a great job in explaining his current opinion on the subject of smoking everyday to get to know your true self
Mooji is not being honest here. He does not talk about his own experience of smoking. There is an obfuscation of the issue by linking weed smoking with glue sniffing.
Herb seems to free your mind, because it expands your thinking and perceptions. The problem is that now you have new + "better" thoughts and perceptions to mis-identify with. It increases thought activity and decreases attention span. Not a good combo for realization. Drugs can loosen rigidity, but you still identify with the experience. Even more so. But "Nothing is true, All is permitted." Consciousness is the drug, the drug user, the drug experience, the Awake, the Asleep...... ALL.
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i use to enjoy smoking the green , it enlightend me, but the more naturally i evolved it had less and less an effect and became almost negative , so eventually u have to let it go i think.
He he he! Hah! hah hah hah! he he! Beautiful! Though I don't smoke hash... fucker is laughing at ME! Ha ha ha ha! It really sucks! I am the knowing. But I don't know that I know. That's all I need to know. I know. Knowing. But I don't know! I don't smoke hash. I drink. I can't stand not knowing my knowing. Knowing my not knowing. Knowing my not mine. I wouldn't mind some hash about now. But I'm ALWAYS trying to get away from what I know. If none of this makes any sense then! That IS what I know.
@EternallyDark Let me clarify my earlier comment. Experience is held in the moment, in the now that is eternal. So although our experiences are ever changing and yes, illusory, they remain right here, right now, and experienced as real.
And yes, meditation can be beneficial, as well as many other methods self analysis and/or healing done with positive intent.
What's considered as an expanded mind will vary depending on who you ask. So it's relative to a persons perspective and definitions.
@EternallyDark The term mind expansion is relative to the person saying it. What you think of as mind expansion is your personal definition of it that's all. And as it's been said before, all things are illusory. Which would include any mental states induced by meditation, repeated positive thinking, youtube video, plant or mineral. All things here are fleeting. The only thing real is the your experience.
@EternallyDark Your point of view is valid. However many people who have never tried any of these natural substances feel there ignorance is a badge of honor. The majority of the things we ingest in a day chemically alter functions of the body. There are the well known things such as sugar and caffeine, but countless unpronounceable others are added to your favorite foods. But there's no law against them so it's ok. As soon as a word is uttered about mind expansion a law is made against it.
People who smoke pot tend to have a lot of spiritual pretensions, but I don't think pot can aid self awareness.
The heart of Mooji's philosophy is that self awareness comes from realizing that we are the incomprehensible from which all other things come. This means that all of the labels we use to define ourselves inhibit this realization--and "pot smoker" is no exception.
Even if pot does help you feel more connected, more enlightened, ultimately it's impermanent.
If we extend the question to also include ganja it would have been mora appropriate if he brought up the use for spiritual purpose like Rastafaris who uses it in meditation or Sadhus, adeptes of Shiva, who in their serious aspiration also uses it. Maybe also make a comparison to for ex, Buddhist , who absolutly don´t use it.
Had some very third-eye opening times with Mary, but in the end, after 20 years of hanging out with her, I do realize she was showing me some great possibilities-- she was showing me wondrous things through a doorway, but she alone could never take me THROUGH that door. That's for us alone to do, within ourselves, not always through the exterior way.
Maybe even he uses Hash/Cannabis occasionally which is why he sat and laughed for a moment before the proper words came for him to speak as it not being a bad thing but at the same time not being a good thing. It shouldn't be anything to judge for cannabis works well with some consciousness' and for others it don't. It certainly helped with aiding me to look inwardly rather than outwardly. You have no choice-you become stoned to the ground :D God's gift in herb form mon-Do not judge only love.
cannabis brings silence....there can be more attention on consciousness...but, it is a tool of realization. Don't make it a habit....it becomes boring after a while.
@CaliCactus then nows the perfect time to stop before it slowly becomes a habit over time. That habit can be very psychologically strong to resist, with the relative ease of attaining it making it easily accessable. Take it from someone who knows and was psychologically addicted to pot at one point. I now use only occasionally, so it isnt NEEDED to relax. After a year or more of heavy use, it becomes physically addictive, causing you to be extra anxious, get no sleep, etc, if you dont have pot.
@bilal216 Cannabis does not bring silence. that is an illusion. It clouds a clear mind. however it can be used as a tool to experience another state, which if you look at with awareness you will find out that you no longer need that tool. I have tried it myself, and I am not saying its bad. But if you wish to get to the higher levels, and true inner peace.. marjuana will slow if not stop your progreess. The whole point is to feel that high without ANYTHING foreign. good luck on your discoveries.
@ma9ic11 Nothing is foreign. Also don't tell other people what will stop spiritual growth, i smoke pretty much every day and its not an issue at all. Can't you recognize that these thoughts are just the ego judging as it always does. Mayb its not for you and that's fine but we do not all have identical minds :-)
@magicalray93 no problem you can keep smoking, but do not think you can gain spiritual from it. you are already blocked in your lung center because of the tar. lol who are you kidding. I smoked myself and still do once in a while. Yes its fun, but it clouds your true innner wisdom. it has nothing to do with ego. you smoke BECAUSE of your ego. you are absolutely confused my friend. you dont have to listen to me. listen to your body, I bet it doesnt like getting THC everyday LOL
@magicalray93 Go ask any man you has experience and they will tell you "drugs will stop you from going to the higher levels. THIS IS A FACT. you havent experienced yet so you do not know. that is why I said keep smoking if you wish its ok. its your life. I enjoy it too. but dont say it doesnt affect you. it CERTAINLY does. it affect you even in a physical level. its a fact brain neurons fire more slowly with weed. even science agrees. you need brain neurons to gain your CHI :)
@ma9ic11 "you havnt experienced yet so you dont know". Ok i dont know you but your really giving me the impression that your a really immature person. Just about none of your sentences make any sense. Go look up a man called Terence Mckenna. Even amazing Gurus like Mooji can be wrong my friend.
@magicalray93 i wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Im just stating what is real. At minimum THC slows down your brain. And if you know anything about spirituality you will know that its really like electricity current running through you. Maybe im not making sense to you, and thats perfectly normal. I dont expect someone who says drugs dont affect you to understand anything I even remotely say. Just know its wrong for you to preach to people that weed doesnt affect you. take care
@ma9ic11 When did i say weed doesnt affect you? "If you did you will see your lung center energy blocked" What kinda pseudo-science bullshit is that. "You think so much when your high". Again your telling other people what they are exeriencing which is absolutely absurd. I'm gonna stop replying now cos it really does just sound like your pulling all this info straight out of yours or someone else's ass. If your so spiritual why do you care how other people attain these states? Again.. Mckenna!
@magicalray93 And please remember I never said you cant be spiritual. I just said it blocks your energy. And you have proven that you know nothing about that. If you did you will see your lung center energy blocked by marijuana. I dont follow any Guru. But what Mooji said is absolutely correct. As a matter of fact, it makes you more aware of the mind, you think so much when your high. thats the opposite of what you want, which is to become FREE of the mind lol
@bilal216 try to meditate for an hour ( i m not talking about "try to fly " just relax ) and you will see the real silence, you can hear your voice when u talk to yourself.. then try to smoke pot hash or anything that you think it will stimulate ur mind into " silence" there's no silence in grass, there are a lot of thoughts, you will get lost in them but that's not a silence, as he said nice clear mind is everything..Im not straight, i've been doing weed and other drugs for years ...
i would say smoking marijuna or taking psychedelics definitly bring you to a higer state if counciousness and opens up your mind and makes you a better person beacause you appreciate things more, it is a spiritual thing, but meditation and different acts of freeing your mind and being in contact with your full spirit or whatever cant be done with any substance it only improves it in a different way. so marijuna,alcohol etc are good for you if you enjoy them, just dont make it all you do.
hi says it's good for some people to chill out, if thye smok canabis , but if you need it or smok it every day there is something else missing. but why ? if all its just consciousness. so it should be nothing missing at all ,in fact canabis help me a lot so what could be missing hi didn`t explain , did anyone know whats missing ? or ther is anyone agree with me that nothing should be misssing .
I spent years smoking bud, grew up with it. About a year and a half ago I was just discovering non-duality, I was listening to this guy named Jeff foster speak on conscious tv and something shifted, for three day's I was in a state of a resting so deep as I have never experienced before, my sleep during those 3 day's was deep and dreamless, when i would wake up all i could do is sit, spontaneous laughter and tears came often, i later was told this was samahdi . Weed doesn't even come close.
Cannabis didn't help me see anything. Only helped me feel that I can finally feel. The concept of sensation helped me see. All cannabis does for me is remind me that I have the abilitly to let myself feel that I still am. It also leads me to a state of inertia if smoked in excess. I neither encourage it or discourage it. I simply smoke it.
Any drug can be of some use for a skeptic mind to introduce a deeper connection to themselves.. this being said, any drug can be abused and become the illusionary source of freedom that will lead to a cycle of mind prison. DMT for instance gave me a completely renewed sense of self and connection to all things in such a way that I no longer feel the need to use any drug anymore after a history of abuse. So there is no black and white, its all up to the user.
Was the Vedic era use of soma an obstacle to realizing truth? Was the Native American use of peyote an obstacle to finding truth? Is the plant combination called Ayahuasca used by the Native peoples of South America an obstacle? Is the use of cannabis in Shaivism (which ironically the self-inquiry school of Hinduism is a part of) an obstacle for them? All these are natural plants that have sprung from nature. To compare with sniffing glue is absurd. This is like saying only Jesus is the real way
@CannabisSacrament you should listen to what he says after that... he even says it's good for some people to chill out, but if you need it every day there is something else missing.. how can you not agree with this? He didn't demonize herb, or sniffing glue for that matter, simply that he could not talk to his cousin in that state.. which is, I would say, a pretty fair statement compared to what a church would say about it...
@earthlyinfodotcom hi , i just wanna know realy what could be missing ,kuz if all its just consciousness. so it should be nothing missing at all ,we just experience consciousness in the body ,and evreything its just a illusion, so why smoking canabis could mack samthing missing ?
@earthlyinfodotcom I think sniffing glue would be more hazardous; however, that's an amplified example of the general inquiry. too much of a good thing can be problematic too. however as a tool and sacrament; marijuana and herb have potential uses, just not beneficial if abused or totally demonized thus causing ignorance about something
i dont know if there is any "true" nature, i dont think it is just a given thing, your nature is also constructed in interaction with ur envirovment, other people etc....
So this search is in vain i think, at the bottom, there is nothing there....
@prdunj I find that incorrect. I don't think it makes any sense. When you ask yourself "where do thoughts originate from" and dig deep enough, you'll find out that they just ultimately "arise" but, this is not truly out of "nowhere" or "nothing." If it were so, they wouldn't truly exist. To our mind's perception it may seem to be "out of nowhere" but, this phrase isn't ultimately true. This place where they arise (The mind and thoughts are) from to begin with is not affected by influence.
@prdunj because at the bottom if there was nothing there, no natural state or being, then nothing would or could arise out of it...
I'd recommend not getting too caught up in a naturalistic worldview (the one that states that nothing exists other than this natural world) because while it's interesting from a philosophical standpoint, it's ultimately counter-intuitive and ends up feeling sort of "empty."
no i dont defend naturalistic point of view,, nor constructivist... My comment was more a reaction to statment. I know there is body, and tought..etc.
I just think this self-dicovery, introspectian where you wanna discover your so called real self is in vain.. cause you can not dicover ur "real" self, you will end up going in circles...
@prdunj See I don't feel this is in vain. I do think there is a real self that this all arises out of, both because otherwise it wouldn't arise and because I've felt it so. It is certainly possible to go in circles trying to do so, but this is the thing with "effort." It's not a matter of "putting effort towards it" it's about stripping the effort away, and allowing oneself to be, even if just for a moment to see...or...feel what the self really is, you know?
@prdunj I think eventually we come to a point where the discovery itself can not be accurately conveyed. Someone can be lead to discovery but, they can't be "told" discovery because that is simply not what it is. So eventually, logic does lead to a circular pattern if you can't let go of trying to "explain what the being is" to yourself. Ultimately, it just is and it needs to be felt. I just wouldn't mistake this inability of word for it not being there, because it's one thing I'd say truly is.
I'm not meaning to rant here, I just think people are sort of unfairly characterizing the point here. The feeling itself you get from it and the action itself doesn't directly bring you to a greater true understanding of yourself. This doesn't mean it's "wrong" and he mentions that for some people it does help them chill out and such. However, specifically being high isn't truly being "closer" to awareness. I hope this clears things up a bit for many of the nice but, confused people here, haha.
@MattBrennan89 haha if calm brings you to clear mind and clear mind brings you closer to your true self and weed calms you then............ see what your saying is one of those things a dude that thinks he is so smart says but what am saying is the exact same thing..lol.. but seriously its obvious that its good for the psychological state (""disclaimer"") if you control your thoughts to think positive to avoid paranoia
@onofomi Haha, "see what your saying is one of those things a dude that thinks he is so smart says" this is without sense as I have no opinion of myself in this sense. What is smart? Just another comparison without meaning or value. However, " but what am saying is the exact same thing" you identify yourself as doing this exact same thing.
It's only obvious that it's "good for the psychological state" if there is something wrong with such a state in your mind, to begin with though.
@onofomi Nothing you are saying is blatantly untrue or without value. However, being calm doesn't necessarily bring you to a more "clear" mind and a clearer mind doesn't necessarily bring you closer to true self. What is this clarity and what is the lack of calm that needs to be fixed, without the perception that it does and that we are this body and mind and are specifically "damaged" in some way. We are conditioned, not damaged. Smoking more helps with this life than with transcending it.
@onofomi So I'm not honestly disagreeing with you but, I'm saying that what you are saying is true within a context that awareness does not need. It's good for some and bad for others, but to believe in needing this substance, you are heading in the wrong direction by believing that you need anything to get to a place where you can already be, if you understand that you are. So no, it isn't "bad" if used correctly, but it's not as direct a path as you seem to be possibly implying.
I don't feel he's saying anything against cannabis, only that relying on it as a way to enlightenment is useless, because the feeling it gives is not That. Smoking cannabis is a beautiful thing, but if you need to do it just to get through the day, there is clearly something missing. The question clearly comes from a mind who's not content - the question "is it OK?" is only a product of paranoid thinking. Cannabis is an amplifier - if you're not content at your base, it will only frazzle you.
2:48 "to recognize the truth.. no, no substance is of help" .. and I would disagree with that at the practical level, especially regarding the countless traditions of shamans and yogis and so forth. at the absolute level he is correct, but at that same absolute level it would also be correct to say that he himself is of no help.
@docwhammo Yeah but, honestly the substance itself does not truly help you come to the truth. If you believe it does then that is just another idea of the mind. You're right that it has to be taken in layers though. Does that mean that it is specifically a hindrance in comparison to so many of the other ones out there, I don't believe so. Still, Shaman's and Yogi's generally have used it for specific purposes, not smoked it "for fun" you know? It's not "wrong" but, doesn't bring you to the truth
It's hard keeping up with the debate, but, I will say I think I got the same thing out of Mooji's words here as you did. Saying bud is no help is not the same as saying it is a definite obstacle. Even when he was talking about people under the influence, he was talking about glue.
So obviously, smoking a substance won't definitely help OR hurt you. Addiction to bodily cravings seems like it could only be a hindrance, though, so... use judgment. That's what I took from it.
@waywardhighfive Yeah exactly. It's not really the smoking that's bad. It's simply a question of where the need comes from and why one believes they have to or want to. "Wanting to" isn't weakness, but it comes from somewhere that isn't a place of total awareness. So does smoking itself actually bring you closer to the truth? No. it doesn't mean it's useless in life. It just means that it doesn't truly bring you to awareness in any way, by itself.
Substances can temporarily provide the ability to glimpse or discover the true nature, but they are a double edged sword in this respect because when you "come down" the previous conditioning will reassert itself and there will be new conflict from the discrepancy. However, to discount it as totally useless is a disservice to the greater evolution of all life. There is no universal methodology, no "one true way" other than they way which contains all of them.
@docwhammo There isn't a one "true" way necessarily but, I think you have to examine the context here. It doesn't bring you to any sort of absolute awareness or necessarily aid in specifically that and more importantly the idea of needing a substance to do so, is an idea coming from the mind and not from a place of awareness to begin with. I don't think it's useless in the context of life. It just won't specifically aid in understanding, though for some it may jolt their curiosity.
@MattBrennan89 well, the context here is asking whether smoking hash "is an obstacle", not whether it will bring you to absolute awareness or aid specifically in that. In the particular context you describe, there is no object or event which can do so. Not even Mooji, not even Ramana, no one or no thing will bring you to any sort of absolute awareness. It is something you must do (or be) yourself.
@MattBrennan89 The place of awareness has no support, needs no conditions, and is reliant upon no things. You may wish to denigrate the use of substances to achieve awareness as "coming from mind", but unfortunately your entire premise is also "coming from mind". You have not seen through all objects into the essence of reality. Once you do this you will truly understand the variety of possibility that exists in manifestation.
@docwhammo "You may wish to denigrate the use of substances to achieve awareness." There is no such thing as denigrating anything to "achieve awareness" because you can't denigrate awareness. There isn't a specific "seeing" that I am or "we are" lacking either. It's all within us. I honestly believe that we have no disagreement on this manner, and the illusion of disagreement even in this context is dependent on how we chose to use the word "obstacle." My premise comes from the place yours does
@MattBrennan89@MattBrennan89 You assume that your semantic gymnastics can gloss over this issue, but that isnt the case for people who approach the issue energetically rather than conceptually
no such thing as denigration? thats a bit of backpedaling there - you made the claim "the idea of needing a substance to do so, is an idea coming from the mind and not from a place of awareness" and yes its divisive
@docwhammo So yes, no obstacle but, you could word something that is other than "bringing one to awareness" yet that is believed as bringing one to it, as an obstacle but, yes in truth there are no such things as obstacles to the awareness that we are. :)
@MattBrennan89 you may not yet be aware of the subtle movements of your own mind, and I certainly understand the need for "spiritual" people to save face in the public eye
but at some point you will need to get real, and actually uncover the filters you have accumulated in your own life .. unless you wish to live only within them
@MattBrennan89 You assume that your semantical gymnastics can gloss over this issue, but that isnt the case for people who approach the issue energetically rather than conceptually
own up to your actions, dont just project them away
@docwhammo Haha, oh man! You've missed the entire point! You say things like "You assume that your semantical gymnastics can gloss over this issue" because your own mind and your own ego is still so obsessive with being "right" and being "the one who knows!" You have misunderstood the entire point of all these messages. Stop trying to be what you're not. Just let go. Just "be" man. No one is "saving face." Your "filters" dictate your every word, as you are still fully within the mind!
@docwhammo Rather than allow my rant to stay, I've opted to go about it this way. Who's "gymnastics"? My mind's? Then it's your mind's opinion. Who is saying "own up to your actions" and what actions are "mine?" You're distracted from both who you and I really are or you are at least acting as such. You say "get real" but, who are you? I think that upon asking yourself these questions you "settled" for answers rather than finding truth. That is just a thought though.
@MattBrennan89 Of course you'd rather avoid the situation, and project any psychological issue onto a vague abstraction. It's much easier than actually taking responsibility for the karmas you create. And you are certainly creating them. Ignore it if you wish, and do as many conceptual deconstructions as you wish. The actions speak for themselves.
@docwhammo This ego of yours, creates this illusion of "responsibility" for "others creating karma." There is no issue to be dodged. There is no issue. Actions do not speak for anything when these alleged are merely words. The words speak. If there were truly an issue, as you choose to pretend, then it's you who is dodging the point: Ultimately, all things beyond recognition itself are "distractions" though nothing ever truly "gets in the way of the being" only the awareness of it.
@docwhammo You enjoy your own words, surely...but, display no such understanding of any of their meaning. There isn't a psychological issue unless you form one. Your own bias towards a subject has led you to attempt to attack the understanding of others, calling them "wrong" because they do not agree with your emotionally clouded rantings. This is fine. Everything is appearing as it will to you, as it is to me.
@docwhammo but, ask yourself who is asking these questions and who is holding this opinion of yours that allows you to attempt to denigrate others and then accuse them of causing karmic disturbances. This would bee hypocritical in the standard sense, but in reality it is nothing existent. You're doing just as you should. Your body, mind, and ego are just ideas...just manifestations to begin with. These ideas all exist within consciousness. May you one day come to this understanding.
@docwhammo So as I end with well wishes for you, regardless of the extensive amount of negativity you may choose to try and project, or opt not to, this will be my last reply to you...as well I'd like you to understand the concept of truth having different layers' and contexts rather than being black and white, that is up to you.
Being silent feels more true here. We'll all live and learn as best we choose to say we can. Enjoy it. Goodbye.
@MattBrennan89 Yes you are a paragon of silent truth, good work there.. Maybe in about 10 years or so, when you grow up a bit, you will be able to take responsibility for yourself, instead of constantly trying to prove how spiritual you are. Until then, enjoy yourself and all your silence
@MattBrennan89 No one can "gloss over" any "issue." These are just ideas of the mind. It seems as though you're letting fear "gloss over" your own life. Just be, man.
@MrMystery52 I think you're misinterpreting it a bit. The point is, dependence on a specific feeling is still "other than" being aware. In the context of every day life, there are many worse things to do even habitually. Again it's not that it's "wrong" but, that the idea that it brings you closer to truth isn't really a reality, it's an idea. I think identifying him as "Wrong" because you enjoy smoking is self-limiting, but I don't think you're "wrong" to smoke. Dependence isn't good though.
hey man, when I was stoned I figured out we are all one consciousness experiencing itself in different forms, with different perspectives in the now! No one told me, I was stoned, I was listening to Phish [song : farmhouse] and it was like I just remember'd it from somewhere! hows that??
i think when you are stoned...there is a space created and life seems to slow down. There is a perspective that is different to sober. Its all jst feelings anyhow.
@LgGerminator and again, I just want to say...that's cool and all...I just don't think you should believe that you needed to smoke to come to that realization (which I'm not saying you do)...it's all within us already...and this could hypothetically distract us from that if we perpetuate the belief in our own mind that a substance will bring us to the truth, because that is to further the idea that we can't already be there and just realize it...again I think most people are missing the point
Sniffing glue is no comparison to smoking Cannabis or Hash ! That is funny !
AnnaMolly174 1 week ago
Smoking pot can expose thoughts and "understandings" that I have been suppressing, but I don't function as well in everyday life. So it's better for a night time remedy to reflect on the day.
DelinquentSaints 1 week ago
I have had moments of awakening or experiencing my true self while high BUT it wasn't the drug that's did it they were just a small part of the equation. Usually when i get high i just feel messed up and have a laugh with no "deep" thoughts going on at all. HAHAHA
onetao8 1 week ago
It probably really is his friend?!
FinixPoltergeist 1 week ago
It can be a good tool. Hell I use mmj, so I can't say its bad. But it isnt the path to your true self. Just like a shoe isnt going to get you to the top of a mountain, or a piece of string won't catch a fish.
Budbro1993 2 weeks ago
Hash can be used a an amazing tool, sometimes its just what a person needs to quiet the mind and get a fresh perspective. The human body is built to use the Cannabinoids found in marijuana in a positive way. Healing the body emotionally and physiologically. You cant say this about inhaling solvents, so the comparison is kind of flawed.
mcnowski 2 weeks ago
hash is a tool as good as its tool user, it will only react to where u want to go and help u to it, i remember when i had a spiritual exp on it... it was fucking intense, i was smoking w/ other ppl but they didnt have anything further then the regular high, but i will always remember what the consciousness in my head FIRST said as soon as i entered that state, i looked at my friends and it said "they got high to escape, u got high to experience" i was on a different energy field
JQNB808 2 weeks ago
That guy is. So fucking high *__*
codboy32 2 weeks ago
alan watts and all those other lsd gurus don't give snwers because the drug is very flexible in terms of it's effect.
Gearsturfs 3 weeks ago
Thank you so much. Namaste! ♥♥♥
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ururuty 3 weeks ago
In short, hash helped me open my eyes to reality, but it only took me to a certain point. I had to go the rest of the way without it.
moopadoopolus 3 weeks ago
Part 2 - that I had learned all that I could from it, and it was time to move on. Since then, I feel like I have developed so much more spiritually, and intellectually, as a person. I feel a lot more at peace with myself, and much more contented. I also used to rely on smoking hash to gain creativity to write music, and I belive it did used to help me with that. But now, I am so much more creative, and all my ideas come clear and are remembered..
moopadoopolus 3 weeks ago 2
Part 1 - In my experience hash has been good and bad. I started smoking heavily, and daily, from the young age of 14. I did so until I was around 18, and I am now 20. What it did for me was, naturally detached me from a lot of fruitless activities, and also from the herd mentality. It definitely helped me begin to empathise with other beings too. But after a while it became too much of a habit, and I started getting anxious and a bit parnoid when I smoked it. I think it was it's way of saying...
moopadoopolus 3 weeks ago 2
I have been reading all the comments with some amusement, pot smoking is not for me, it will not get me to where I am going. I like the quote from Alan Watts, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone." Do everything in moderation, avoid addictions. I have friends who use pot regularly, I love them and I accept their choice to use it:-)
jonathonlb 4 weeks ago
I found out the truth when my credit card cleared bud...
johnspence22 1 month ago
Laughter paints a picture-and a picture is worth a thousand words.
Aluminata 1 month ago
... Music has the pot-ential to transport the mind to a transendent state. But when the music stops- what we believe to be our every day reality comes rushing back. A piece of music optimaly suited to our mind may leave us floating a little higher above our original state for days before we settle back. Cannabis has a temporary tendancy to leave us slightly below our original state. This results in compulsive consumption. Our dependence is a mechanism of the plants ensured proliferation.
Aluminata 1 month ago
Mmm, Alan Watts had that quote about psychedelics. He himself realized to hang up the phone after many trips, but he still smoked pot! I love love love the psychedelic experience but as an aid in spiritual growth I am skeptical, as integrating the experience into your daily life is hard. So it's sort of like, what's the use? It's a damn good time, though.
Tengent 1 month ago
honesty can only be in question if one is asked a direct question... Mooji did a great job in explaining his current opinion on the subject of smoking everyday to get to know your true self
garrettd83 1 month ago
Cannabis is great expecially when meditating as well but its a drag if you start getting attatched to it so just treat it with respect.
magicalray93 1 month ago
oh no its for my friend LOL
crispyballz 1 month ago
Mooji is not being honest here. He does not talk about his own experience of smoking. There is an obfuscation of the issue by linking weed smoking with glue sniffing.
Tiruvannamalai108 1 month ago
dont mae cannabis a too to get anyere in articuar, use it to exerience is and notin more, its a great ting, but do not get attaced to it
dingleberrys09 2 months ago
Cannabis is a tool to change your state of mind. Nothing less, nothing more.
im18noreally 2 months ago
Wahahahaaa,the laughh,hahaa
rachelzinha89 2 months ago
Herb seems to free your mind, because it expands your thinking and perceptions. The problem is that now you have new + "better" thoughts and perceptions to mis-identify with. It increases thought activity and decreases attention span. Not a good combo for realization. Drugs can loosen rigidity, but you still identify with the experience. Even more so. But "Nothing is true, All is permitted." Consciousness is the drug, the drug user, the drug experience, the Awake, the Asleep...... ALL.
s6y9l 3 months ago 14
@s6y9l All Hail ERIS!
Twolfe5121 2 months ago
@s6y9l in my experience its great and positive when done rarely, but when i get it i just smoke it all the time compulsively and become slothful.
diantonovich 2 months ago
yea. have you gone through this
javy0005 3 months ago
Sometimes I wonder does Mooji be smoking weed with his infectious chuckles..
mccoya2 3 months ago
Does mooji mention amphet?
Iamyousomehow 3 months ago
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javy0005 3 months ago
@javy0005
Why?
Iamyousomehow 3 months ago
@javy0005 Do you use Skype?
sinoples 3 months ago
i use to enjoy smoking the green , it enlightend me, but the more naturally i evolved it had less and less an effect and became almost negative , so eventually u have to let it go i think.
PolAndDazShow 4 months ago
Im laughing so hard XD. Could listen to him speaking all day lol.
TheEXpothead 4 months ago 6
what about all the hindu yogis achieve the same states. or any other civilizations holy men.
PMID85 4 months ago
Use a crutch for a while, but then once you have met God, it is time to become him. Learn to walk on your own two feet.
humanoid144 5 months ago
Good guy this Mooji : )
LuizGuilhermeLins 5 months ago 2
leave the illusion to reach the reality of consciousness
Deenaly702 5 months ago 2
un42n8karma 5 months ago
@EternallyDark Sounds like a plan. All the best.
Stonefactor 5 months ago
@EternallyDark Let me clarify my earlier comment. Experience is held in the moment, in the now that is eternal. So although our experiences are ever changing and yes, illusory, they remain right here, right now, and experienced as real.
And yes, meditation can be beneficial, as well as many other methods self analysis and/or healing done with positive intent.
What's considered as an expanded mind will vary depending on who you ask. So it's relative to a persons perspective and definitions.
Stonefactor 5 months ago
@EternallyDark The term mind expansion is relative to the person saying it. What you think of as mind expansion is your personal definition of it that's all. And as it's been said before, all things are illusory. Which would include any mental states induced by meditation, repeated positive thinking, youtube video, plant or mineral. All things here are fleeting. The only thing real is the your experience.
Stonefactor 5 months ago
@EternallyDark Your point of view is valid. However many people who have never tried any of these natural substances feel there ignorance is a badge of honor. The majority of the things we ingest in a day chemically alter functions of the body. There are the well known things such as sugar and caffeine, but countless unpronounceable others are added to your favorite foods. But there's no law against them so it's ok. As soon as a word is uttered about mind expansion a law is made against it.
Stonefactor 5 months ago
@Stonefactor You sound like a man with something worth while to say. I'm going to your channel-
grady1610 4 months ago
People who smoke pot tend to have a lot of spiritual pretensions, but I don't think pot can aid self awareness.
The heart of Mooji's philosophy is that self awareness comes from realizing that we are the incomprehensible from which all other things come. This means that all of the labels we use to define ourselves inhibit this realization--and "pot smoker" is no exception.
Even if pot does help you feel more connected, more enlightened, ultimately it's impermanent.
bradyehler 6 months ago
nice clear mind is good
stokey72 6 months ago
If we extend the question to also include ganja it would have been mora appropriate if he brought up the use for spiritual purpose like Rastafaris who uses it in meditation or Sadhus, adeptes of Shiva, who in their serious aspiration also uses it. Maybe also make a comparison to for ex, Buddhist , who absolutly don´t use it.
HIHIMIII56 6 months ago
A spliff a day will help keep the doctor away...a bag of glue will kill you!!
GrowJunkieXL 6 months ago 4
Had some very third-eye opening times with Mary, but in the end, after 20 years of hanging out with her, I do realize she was showing me some great possibilities-- she was showing me wondrous things through a doorway, but she alone could never take me THROUGH that door. That's for us alone to do, within ourselves, not always through the exterior way.
codybonnet 7 months ago 5
Maybe even he uses Hash/Cannabis occasionally which is why he sat and laughed for a moment before the proper words came for him to speak as it not being a bad thing but at the same time not being a good thing. It shouldn't be anything to judge for cannabis works well with some consciousness' and for others it don't. It certainly helped with aiding me to look inwardly rather than outwardly. You have no choice-you become stoned to the ground :D God's gift in herb form mon-Do not judge only love.
OmmmYogi 7 months ago 5
haha mooji has a awesome laugh and i agree.. smokin everyday aint good for ya..
psychodelic0000 10 months ago
cannabis brings silence....there can be more attention on consciousness...but, it is a tool of realization. Don't make it a habit....it becomes boring after a while.
bilal216 11 months ago 37
@bilal216 alan watts said an interesting thing; "once you get the message, hang up the phone"
caughtinacadence 9 months ago 37
@caughtinacadence When you get the message you won't be there to hang up anything, the phone remains off the receiver.
Olio89 5 months ago
@caughtinacadence good point! wanna talk about it some more?! i joke.
diantonovich 2 months ago
@diantonovich ;) i'm afraid you'll have to leave a message
espactos 2 months ago
@caughtinacadence Way to go!!!! I agree with what Alan Watts says;-)
jonathonlb 4 weeks ago
@bilal216 true that ive smoked weed everyday for like 6 months and im bored as fuck with this shit i used to love it but now i smoke just to smoke
CaliCactus 8 months ago
@CaliCactus then nows the perfect time to stop before it slowly becomes a habit over time. That habit can be very psychologically strong to resist, with the relative ease of attaining it making it easily accessable. Take it from someone who knows and was psychologically addicted to pot at one point. I now use only occasionally, so it isnt NEEDED to relax. After a year or more of heavy use, it becomes physically addictive, causing you to be extra anxious, get no sleep, etc, if you dont have pot.
runetang 8 months ago
@bilal216 well put. A tool of realization definitely
NurceeAss 6 months ago
@bilal216 what do you mean it brings silence? does it shut up your mind from trying to go further ..is that what you mean? =]
runtubefantasy 2 months ago
@runtubefantasy Yeah, something like that. =)
bilal216 2 months ago
@bilal216 Cannabis does not bring silence. that is an illusion. It clouds a clear mind. however it can be used as a tool to experience another state, which if you look at with awareness you will find out that you no longer need that tool. I have tried it myself, and I am not saying its bad. But if you wish to get to the higher levels, and true inner peace.. marjuana will slow if not stop your progreess. The whole point is to feel that high without ANYTHING foreign. good luck on your discoveries.
ma9ic11 1 month ago
@ma9ic11 Nothing is foreign. Also don't tell other people what will stop spiritual growth, i smoke pretty much every day and its not an issue at all. Can't you recognize that these thoughts are just the ego judging as it always does. Mayb its not for you and that's fine but we do not all have identical minds :-)
magicalray93 1 month ago
@magicalray93 no problem you can keep smoking, but do not think you can gain spiritual from it. you are already blocked in your lung center because of the tar. lol who are you kidding. I smoked myself and still do once in a while. Yes its fun, but it clouds your true innner wisdom. it has nothing to do with ego. you smoke BECAUSE of your ego. you are absolutely confused my friend. you dont have to listen to me. listen to your body, I bet it doesnt like getting THC everyday LOL
ma9ic11 1 month ago
@magicalray93 Go ask any man you has experience and they will tell you "drugs will stop you from going to the higher levels. THIS IS A FACT. you havent experienced yet so you do not know. that is why I said keep smoking if you wish its ok. its your life. I enjoy it too. but dont say it doesnt affect you. it CERTAINLY does. it affect you even in a physical level. its a fact brain neurons fire more slowly with weed. even science agrees. you need brain neurons to gain your CHI :)
ma9ic11 1 month ago
@ma9ic11 "you havnt experienced yet so you dont know". Ok i dont know you but your really giving me the impression that your a really immature person. Just about none of your sentences make any sense. Go look up a man called Terence Mckenna. Even amazing Gurus like Mooji can be wrong my friend.
magicalray93 1 month ago
@magicalray93 i wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Im just stating what is real. At minimum THC slows down your brain. And if you know anything about spirituality you will know that its really like electricity current running through you. Maybe im not making sense to you, and thats perfectly normal. I dont expect someone who says drugs dont affect you to understand anything I even remotely say. Just know its wrong for you to preach to people that weed doesnt affect you. take care
ma9ic11 1 month ago
@ma9ic11 When did i say weed doesnt affect you? "If you did you will see your lung center energy blocked" What kinda pseudo-science bullshit is that. "You think so much when your high". Again your telling other people what they are exeriencing which is absolutely absurd. I'm gonna stop replying now cos it really does just sound like your pulling all this info straight out of yours or someone else's ass. If your so spiritual why do you care how other people attain these states? Again.. Mckenna!
magicalray93 1 month ago
@magicalray93 And please remember I never said you cant be spiritual. I just said it blocks your energy. And you have proven that you know nothing about that. If you did you will see your lung center energy blocked by marijuana. I dont follow any Guru. But what Mooji said is absolutely correct. As a matter of fact, it makes you more aware of the mind, you think so much when your high. thats the opposite of what you want, which is to become FREE of the mind lol
ma9ic11 1 month ago
@bilal216 thats why when you use it you have to come up with exciting things to do, like riding unicycle or climbing a mountain.
brianridin 3 weeks ago
@bilal216 try to meditate for an hour ( i m not talking about "try to fly " just relax ) and you will see the real silence, you can hear your voice when u talk to yourself.. then try to smoke pot hash or anything that you think it will stimulate ur mind into " silence" there's no silence in grass, there are a lot of thoughts, you will get lost in them but that's not a silence, as he said nice clear mind is everything..Im not straight, i've been doing weed and other drugs for years ...
kitaristi1 3 weeks ago
@bilal216 or do it all you want. it is the safest recreational drug, evolved to comply with the human body as an herb.
edyken77 2 weeks ago
i would say smoking marijuna or taking psychedelics definitly bring you to a higer state if counciousness and opens up your mind and makes you a better person beacause you appreciate things more, it is a spiritual thing, but meditation and different acts of freeing your mind and being in contact with your full spirit or whatever cant be done with any substance it only improves it in a different way. so marijuna,alcohol etc are good for you if you enjoy them, just dont make it all you do.
AaronBaker12345 11 months ago
hi says it's good for some people to chill out, if thye smok canabis , but if you need it or smok it every day there is something else missing. but why ? if all its just consciousness. so it should be nothing missing at all ,in fact canabis help me a lot so what could be missing hi didn`t explain , did anyone know whats missing ? or ther is anyone agree with me that nothing should be misssing .
anunnakiirak 11 months ago
@anunnakiirak He's just saying that weed doesn't provide anything meaningful or lasting.
christiantjr 11 months ago 3
I spent years smoking bud, grew up with it. About a year and a half ago I was just discovering non-duality, I was listening to this guy named Jeff foster speak on conscious tv and something shifted, for three day's I was in a state of a resting so deep as I have never experienced before, my sleep during those 3 day's was deep and dreamless, when i would wake up all i could do is sit, spontaneous laughter and tears came often, i later was told this was samahdi . Weed doesn't even come close.
GG74K 11 months ago 5
@GG74K what happened after those 3 days?
sumitraji 8 months ago
thank you AwakeningBridge! very nice videos you have.
fourtyfrets 11 months ago
Cannabis didn't help me see anything. Only helped me feel that I can finally feel. The concept of sensation helped me see. All cannabis does for me is remind me that I have the abilitly to let myself feel that I still am. It also leads me to a state of inertia if smoked in excess. I neither encourage it or discourage it. I simply smoke it.
HSBGuitarman2 11 months ago 2
Any drug can be of some use for a skeptic mind to introduce a deeper connection to themselves.. this being said, any drug can be abused and become the illusionary source of freedom that will lead to a cycle of mind prison. DMT for instance gave me a completely renewed sense of self and connection to all things in such a way that I no longer feel the need to use any drug anymore after a history of abuse. So there is no black and white, its all up to the user.
earthlyinfodotcom 1 year ago 2
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madvillan139 1 year ago
Was the Vedic era use of soma an obstacle to realizing truth? Was the Native American use of peyote an obstacle to finding truth? Is the plant combination called Ayahuasca used by the Native peoples of South America an obstacle? Is the use of cannabis in Shaivism (which ironically the self-inquiry school of Hinduism is a part of) an obstacle for them? All these are natural plants that have sprung from nature. To compare with sniffing glue is absurd. This is like saying only Jesus is the real way
CannabisSacrament 1 year ago
@CannabisSacrament you should listen to what he says after that... he even says it's good for some people to chill out, but if you need it every day there is something else missing.. how can you not agree with this? He didn't demonize herb, or sniffing glue for that matter, simply that he could not talk to his cousin in that state.. which is, I would say, a pretty fair statement compared to what a church would say about it...
earthlyinfodotcom 1 year ago
@earthlyinfodotcom hi , i just wanna know realy what could be missing ,kuz if all its just consciousness. so it should be nothing missing at all ,we just experience consciousness in the body ,and evreything its just a illusion, so why smoking canabis could mack samthing missing ?
anunnakiirak 11 months ago
@earthlyinfodotcom I think sniffing glue would be more hazardous; however, that's an amplified example of the general inquiry. too much of a good thing can be problematic too. however as a tool and sacrament; marijuana and herb have potential uses, just not beneficial if abused or totally demonized thus causing ignorance about something
JNdigital 10 months ago
It's harder to detach from ego when stoned sometimes, thus I do it to help me overcome ego more easily.
I trip for living, I do not live for tripping.
Seedr0 1 year ago
When I smoke hash I have a good.feeling myself I hear all my body and my soul it's like two person in one
And I can control me correctly
But it also true smoke hash can be a obstacle to know truly myself
kayasalvation 1 year ago
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earthlyinfodotcom 1 year ago
know thyself.
bilal216 1 year ago
i like hash...i love mooji.
bilal216 1 year ago
Spiritual guidance from this guy seems like a good idea
minutaughn 1 year ago
hahahahaha
lgarvey 1 year ago
@figger123 I believe so on hash
jammingwithmarley 1 year ago
i dont know if there is any "true" nature, i dont think it is just a given thing, your nature is also constructed in interaction with ur envirovment, other people etc....
So this search is in vain i think, at the bottom, there is nothing there....
prdunj 1 year ago
@prdunj I find that incorrect. I don't think it makes any sense. When you ask yourself "where do thoughts originate from" and dig deep enough, you'll find out that they just ultimately "arise" but, this is not truly out of "nowhere" or "nothing." If it were so, they wouldn't truly exist. To our mind's perception it may seem to be "out of nowhere" but, this phrase isn't ultimately true. This place where they arise (The mind and thoughts are) from to begin with is not affected by influence.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@prdunj because at the bottom if there was nothing there, no natural state or being, then nothing would or could arise out of it...
I'd recommend not getting too caught up in a naturalistic worldview (the one that states that nothing exists other than this natural world) because while it's interesting from a philosophical standpoint, it's ultimately counter-intuitive and ends up feeling sort of "empty."
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89
no i dont defend naturalistic point of view,, nor constructivist... My comment was more a reaction to statment. I know there is body, and tought..etc.
I just think this self-dicovery, introspectian where you wanna discover your so called real self is in vain.. cause you can not dicover ur "real" self, you will end up going in circles...
prdunj 1 year ago
@prdunj See I don't feel this is in vain. I do think there is a real self that this all arises out of, both because otherwise it wouldn't arise and because I've felt it so. It is certainly possible to go in circles trying to do so, but this is the thing with "effort." It's not a matter of "putting effort towards it" it's about stripping the effort away, and allowing oneself to be, even if just for a moment to see...or...feel what the self really is, you know?
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@prdunj I think eventually we come to a point where the discovery itself can not be accurately conveyed. Someone can be lead to discovery but, they can't be "told" discovery because that is simply not what it is. So eventually, logic does lead to a circular pattern if you can't let go of trying to "explain what the being is" to yourself. Ultimately, it just is and it needs to be felt. I just wouldn't mistake this inability of word for it not being there, because it's one thing I'd say truly is.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
Well i do not deny reality beyong language, beyond words,
still i think language is part of our "real" self, you can not just
take it off like a cloak, it is not that under some "superficial" layers there
is the ultimate "core".....With this search or self discovery etc..
the most you can do(as far as i am concerned) is to realize the relative
nature of language, or mind in new-ageist terms, but still you can not just remove it like dust -.its part of ur self.
prdunj 1 year ago
hahaha, thank you ! I had a great laugh with this one lol
philinmotion 1 year ago
I'm not meaning to rant here, I just think people are sort of unfairly characterizing the point here. The feeling itself you get from it and the action itself doesn't directly bring you to a greater true understanding of yourself. This doesn't mean it's "wrong" and he mentions that for some people it does help them chill out and such. However, specifically being high isn't truly being "closer" to awareness. I hope this clears things up a bit for many of the nice but, confused people here, haha.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 haha if calm brings you to clear mind and clear mind brings you closer to your true self and weed calms you then............ see what your saying is one of those things a dude that thinks he is so smart says but what am saying is the exact same thing..lol.. but seriously its obvious that its good for the psychological state (""disclaimer"") if you control your thoughts to think positive to avoid paranoia
onofomi 1 year ago
@onofomi Haha, "see what your saying is one of those things a dude that thinks he is so smart says" this is without sense as I have no opinion of myself in this sense. What is smart? Just another comparison without meaning or value. However, " but what am saying is the exact same thing" you identify yourself as doing this exact same thing.
It's only obvious that it's "good for the psychological state" if there is something wrong with such a state in your mind, to begin with though.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@onofomi Nothing you are saying is blatantly untrue or without value. However, being calm doesn't necessarily bring you to a more "clear" mind and a clearer mind doesn't necessarily bring you closer to true self. What is this clarity and what is the lack of calm that needs to be fixed, without the perception that it does and that we are this body and mind and are specifically "damaged" in some way. We are conditioned, not damaged. Smoking more helps with this life than with transcending it.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@onofomi So I'm not honestly disagreeing with you but, I'm saying that what you are saying is true within a context that awareness does not need. It's good for some and bad for others, but to believe in needing this substance, you are heading in the wrong direction by believing that you need anything to get to a place where you can already be, if you understand that you are. So no, it isn't "bad" if used correctly, but it's not as direct a path as you seem to be possibly implying.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 ok i feel you bro i see exactly what you mean i agree too
onofomi 1 year ago
his laugh is so contageous I LOVE IT :D
hannahjuani101 1 year ago
I don't feel he's saying anything against cannabis, only that relying on it as a way to enlightenment is useless, because the feeling it gives is not That. Smoking cannabis is a beautiful thing, but if you need to do it just to get through the day, there is clearly something missing. The question clearly comes from a mind who's not content - the question "is it OK?" is only a product of paranoid thinking. Cannabis is an amplifier - if you're not content at your base, it will only frazzle you.
waywardhighfive 1 year ago
@waywardhighfive lets look at what he says.
2:48 "to recognize the truth.. no, no substance is of help" .. and I would disagree with that at the practical level, especially regarding the countless traditions of shamans and yogis and so forth. at the absolute level he is correct, but at that same absolute level it would also be correct to say that he himself is of no help.
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo Yeah but, honestly the substance itself does not truly help you come to the truth. If you believe it does then that is just another idea of the mind. You're right that it has to be taken in layers though. Does that mean that it is specifically a hindrance in comparison to so many of the other ones out there, I don't believe so. Still, Shaman's and Yogi's generally have used it for specific purposes, not smoked it "for fun" you know? It's not "wrong" but, doesn't bring you to the truth
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo
It's hard keeping up with the debate, but, I will say I think I got the same thing out of Mooji's words here as you did. Saying bud is no help is not the same as saying it is a definite obstacle. Even when he was talking about people under the influence, he was talking about glue.
So obviously, smoking a substance won't definitely help OR hurt you. Addiction to bodily cravings seems like it could only be a hindrance, though, so... use judgment. That's what I took from it.
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago
@waywardhighfive Yeah exactly. It's not really the smoking that's bad. It's simply a question of where the need comes from and why one believes they have to or want to. "Wanting to" isn't weakness, but it comes from somewhere that isn't a place of total awareness. So does smoking itself actually bring you closer to the truth? No. it doesn't mean it's useless in life. It just means that it doesn't truly bring you to awareness in any way, by itself.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
Substances can temporarily provide the ability to glimpse or discover the true nature, but they are a double edged sword in this respect because when you "come down" the previous conditioning will reassert itself and there will be new conflict from the discrepancy. However, to discount it as totally useless is a disservice to the greater evolution of all life. There is no universal methodology, no "one true way" other than they way which contains all of them.
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo There isn't a one "true" way necessarily but, I think you have to examine the context here. It doesn't bring you to any sort of absolute awareness or necessarily aid in specifically that and more importantly the idea of needing a substance to do so, is an idea coming from the mind and not from a place of awareness to begin with. I don't think it's useless in the context of life. It just won't specifically aid in understanding, though for some it may jolt their curiosity.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 well, the context here is asking whether smoking hash "is an obstacle", not whether it will bring you to absolute awareness or aid specifically in that. In the particular context you describe, there is no object or event which can do so. Not even Mooji, not even Ramana, no one or no thing will bring you to any sort of absolute awareness. It is something you must do (or be) yourself.
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo This is true.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 The place of awareness has no support, needs no conditions, and is reliant upon no things. You may wish to denigrate the use of substances to achieve awareness as "coming from mind", but unfortunately your entire premise is also "coming from mind". You have not seen through all objects into the essence of reality. Once you do this you will truly understand the variety of possibility that exists in manifestation.
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo "You may wish to denigrate the use of substances to achieve awareness." There is no such thing as denigrating anything to "achieve awareness" because you can't denigrate awareness. There isn't a specific "seeing" that I am or "we are" lacking either. It's all within us. I honestly believe that we have no disagreement on this manner, and the illusion of disagreement even in this context is dependent on how we chose to use the word "obstacle." My premise comes from the place yours does
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
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@MattBrennan89 @MattBrennan89 You assume that your semantic gymnastics can gloss over this issue, but that isnt the case for people who approach the issue energetically rather than conceptually
no such thing as denigration? thats a bit of backpedaling there - you made the claim "the idea of needing a substance to do so, is an idea coming from the mind and not from a place of awareness" and yes its divisive
own up to it, dont just project it away
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo So yes, no obstacle but, you could word something that is other than "bringing one to awareness" yet that is believed as bringing one to it, as an obstacle but, yes in truth there are no such things as obstacles to the awareness that we are. :)
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 you may not yet be aware of the subtle movements of your own mind, and I certainly understand the need for "spiritual" people to save face in the public eye
but at some point you will need to get real, and actually uncover the filters you have accumulated in your own life .. unless you wish to live only within them
docwhammo 1 year ago
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MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo So let's not allow our wording differences to create an aura of disagreement which doesn't exist either?
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 You assume that your semantical gymnastics can gloss over this issue, but that isnt the case for people who approach the issue energetically rather than conceptually
own up to your actions, dont just project them away
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo Haha, oh man! You've missed the entire point! You say things like "You assume that your semantical gymnastics can gloss over this issue" because your own mind and your own ego is still so obsessive with being "right" and being "the one who knows!" You have misunderstood the entire point of all these messages. Stop trying to be what you're not. Just let go. Just "be" man. No one is "saving face." Your "filters" dictate your every word, as you are still fully within the mind!
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo Rather than allow my rant to stay, I've opted to go about it this way. Who's "gymnastics"? My mind's? Then it's your mind's opinion. Who is saying "own up to your actions" and what actions are "mine?" You're distracted from both who you and I really are or you are at least acting as such. You say "get real" but, who are you? I think that upon asking yourself these questions you "settled" for answers rather than finding truth. That is just a thought though.
You must learn to let go.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 Of course you'd rather avoid the situation, and project any psychological issue onto a vague abstraction. It's much easier than actually taking responsibility for the karmas you create. And you are certainly creating them. Ignore it if you wish, and do as many conceptual deconstructions as you wish. The actions speak for themselves.
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo This ego of yours, creates this illusion of "responsibility" for "others creating karma." There is no issue to be dodged. There is no issue. Actions do not speak for anything when these alleged are merely words. The words speak. If there were truly an issue, as you choose to pretend, then it's you who is dodging the point: Ultimately, all things beyond recognition itself are "distractions" though nothing ever truly "gets in the way of the being" only the awareness of it.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo You enjoy your own words, surely...but, display no such understanding of any of their meaning. There isn't a psychological issue unless you form one. Your own bias towards a subject has led you to attempt to attack the understanding of others, calling them "wrong" because they do not agree with your emotionally clouded rantings. This is fine. Everything is appearing as it will to you, as it is to me.
Morph this truth into whatever you wish.
Goodluck on your own journey.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo but, ask yourself who is asking these questions and who is holding this opinion of yours that allows you to attempt to denigrate others and then accuse them of causing karmic disturbances. This would bee hypocritical in the standard sense, but in reality it is nothing existent. You're doing just as you should. Your body, mind, and ego are just ideas...just manifestations to begin with. These ideas all exist within consciousness. May you one day come to this understanding.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo Eventually, I am sure, you're deep obsession with being "right" will fade, and you'll be able to be free, should you choose to be so.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo So as I end with well wishes for you, regardless of the extensive amount of negativity you may choose to try and project, or opt not to, this will be my last reply to you...as well I'd like you to understand the concept of truth having different layers' and contexts rather than being black and white, that is up to you.
Being silent feels more true here. We'll all live and learn as best we choose to say we can. Enjoy it. Goodbye.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 "Being silent feels more true here. We'll all live and learn as best we choose to say we can" Kudos man...that's the way..
TheEnlightenedTruth 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 Yes you are a paragon of silent truth, good work there.. Maybe in about 10 years or so, when you grow up a bit, you will be able to take responsibility for yourself, instead of constantly trying to prove how spiritual you are. Until then, enjoy yourself and all your silence
docwhammo 1 year ago
@docwhammo Yeah. It's not about proving anything, naturally. Just a discussion. Enjoyment to you as well though.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@docwhammo It's youtube bro..chill out
no one here is acting, just words man...
and he certainly isn't spreading any negative karma or vibes man i read his stuff and it's real polite and positive.
i think you need to chill
TheEnlightenedTruth 1 year ago
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@TheEnlightenedTruth I think you need to wake up, bro
docwhammo 1 year ago
@MattBrennan89 No one can "gloss over" any "issue." These are just ideas of the mind. It seems as though you're letting fear "gloss over" your own life. Just be, man.
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MattBrennan89 1 year ago
I love you, AwakeningBridge :-)
SimonNight30 1 year ago
It is really stupid to compare sniffing glue wtth smoking weed!
But I love Mooji ! In this case though, he´s wrong.
MrMystery52 1 year ago
@MrMystery52 I think you're misinterpreting it a bit. The point is, dependence on a specific feeling is still "other than" being aware. In the context of every day life, there are many worse things to do even habitually. Again it's not that it's "wrong" but, that the idea that it brings you closer to truth isn't really a reality, it's an idea. I think identifying him as "Wrong" because you enjoy smoking is self-limiting, but I don't think you're "wrong" to smoke. Dependence isn't good though.
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
hey man, when I was stoned I figured out we are all one consciousness experiencing itself in different forms, with different perspectives in the now! No one told me, I was stoned, I was listening to Phish [song : farmhouse] and it was like I just remember'd it from somewhere! hows that??
Namaste ~L.O.V.E~
LgGerminator 1 year ago
@LgGerminator me too!!!??? hahaha
i think when you are stoned...there is a space created and life seems to slow down. There is a perspective that is different to sober. Its all jst feelings anyhow.
Namaste, peace and love
SOCRATES012 1 year ago
@LgGerminator and again, I just want to say...that's cool and all...I just don't think you should believe that you needed to smoke to come to that realization (which I'm not saying you do)...it's all within us already...and this could hypothetically distract us from that if we perpetuate the belief in our own mind that a substance will bring us to the truth, because that is to further the idea that we can't already be there and just realize it...again I think most people are missing the point
MattBrennan89 1 year ago
@figger123
The enlightened mind is considered to create its own high. It probably saves a few quid as well.
sporo2000 1 year ago
pot helps out with spirituality and finding higher self <<<<if this is what you want it to do ^.^
teddykun1993 1 year ago
I love to hear Mooji laugh! Very great! Thank you very much for this wonderful video!
190319991 1 year ago
Thank you! I was waiting for a video of mooji talking about this subject.
tokeabow 1 year ago
very great!
transformation201 1 year ago
awesome upload
thank you
SubtleSeeing321 1 year ago
hahahaha
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
It's about time someone asked this question. Very great!
lampwick1010 1 year ago 3
thank you mooji for this very important topic.
GraceIsCallingYou 1 year ago