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  • I've recently bought a cintiq 12wx, and I think it's great, despite the few problems it has. One thing I can't fix though, is the color calibration. No matter what I do, I can't get the colors of my cintiq to match my laptop. I've used everything from nvidia settings to a calibration device and even wacom says it's not possible unless you have 2 graphic cards. So I'm reduced to dragging windows from one monitor to the other to check colors. If anyone knows a better solution, please tell me!

  • You know, I really wish Nintendo would finally make their DS usable as a Tablet for your computer, They have the WIFI stuff all ready to go.

    And there's no gap for the pen and cursor.

  • You can go in and change the location of the cursor, I haven't all the information on me, but its designed for making your cursor on spot with your tablet pen. I'll look into it, and I suggest you look into it as well.

  • Hey do you recommend me to use a screen protector or not? I found a slight scratch on my cintiq and too scared to use it more and more everyday lol

  • @RJAce1014 Oh yeah, I got a teeny scratch on my cintiq as well! I blame the felt nibs because they tend to trap grit into them. I switched to a spring nib that keeps me from applying too much pressure to the tablet (which could cause scratches) and I haven't seen any new scratches in 2 years. The nib hasn't shown any signs of wearing down, either! I also wear "smudgeguard" gloves so I can slide my hands against the screen more easily - they're a must-have!

  • @moatddtutorials you havent use any screen protector? Well I'm a light handed one and also have a smudge guard but even how hard or how soft you press it, it get's scratch because of the dust. The dust is screwing everything even my computer. I don't know but since you didn't if you did mention, you're a cautious person and I should be too...

  • @RJAce1014 Nope, no screen protector! I'm also rather light-handed. I also set up most of my brushes in TVP to use only 50% of the pressure in order to get a fully dark stroke.

  • @moatddtutorials NO! dont buy a screen protector! IT WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY!

  • @RJAce1014 Screen protector voids your warranty. If scratches are an issue and you are still in your warranty, give Wacom a call and they should send you a new one or ask you to send yours in for repairs.

  • @RJAce1014 NO! dont buy a screen protector! IT WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY!

  • awesome video showing the goos and the bad about this thanks

  • I got a cintiq 12wx and I love it, but I'm glad someone tells the people about all the disadvantages.

  • A bit of a scathing review for someone who has been using them for five years... Some good points though, thanks.

  • ;o gieff me a cintiq!!! ;( *paints on my ipad instead* :/ its damn hard to paint with fingers xD

  • stop bitching dude he makes it sound worse than it acctually is so hes a negative nelly he also makes it sound like drawing is rocket science lol

  • stop bitching dude he makes it sound worse than it acctually is so hes a negative nelly

  • very helpfull, thanks for share this

  • this the most HONEST review of this cintiq model ever!

    thank you for giving those very helpful tips because im very sure that those imperfections will happen to me and hunt me as long as im using it.

    mine is gonna be in front of my door in 3 days. woot!!

  • Real men use a mouse to draw. :)

  • @supaflyjohnson lol shut up

  • 1. Switch Tip. Different feel.

    2. Calibrate for your most used viewing angle - solves your crying about 1mm.

    3. Never look at the tip of any drawing utensil. Look at where you are going.

    4. Buy Smudge guard.

    5. Mudkips

    6. Clean office.

  • can you use this tablet with aniem studio debut 6?

  • Oh wow.. didn't expect it to have so much problems.. :X

  • thank you for telling me about the offset, as I was becoming VERY frustrated trying to calibrate it over and over again, thinking that it was something that i did wrong, went through manuals etc. I bought mine from US, but since I live in Europe I started to wonder how to return the machine if something was truly wrong with it. Now knowing this problem I am ready to adjust , thank you again

  • Hmm. You sure are good at listing the Cons of a device. Still enlightening, thanks :)

  • cintiq work good? i think to pay ...... cintiq 12 ....

  • Haha I love your sarcasm :D I have one of these as well and I'm still pissed off by the poor decisions made by Wacom like indeed putting the calibration spots in the jitter areas... Mine has a lot of jitter, in the center of the screen my cursor is nearly at the tip of my pen but on some locations it can go up to 6 mm away from my pen tip, which is a LOT...

    Also my scroll wheel is really sensitive, when I want to zoom in in photoshop for example, I zoom, let go, and then it continues anyway...

  • about the other scroller; why dont you put a thick layer of tape on it?

    about the slippery; why dont you wear gloves? shouldnt they make it less-slippery? for pen holding fingers you can always cut the gloves fingers off. I´ve seen few gloves for that purpose, I think.

  • or use the smudge gaurde

  • this is exactly what I was wondering about these tablets, thank you so much for doing such an illustrative review of it. I will try one for myself to judge if it's worthy or not. Keep on doing great vids, subscrib'd !

  • you should of gotten a thumb glove with it , maybe they added them in later , but they stop your hand sliding and creates friction on the screen so its easier to draw with, as for the offset with anything where you draw on screen its near to impossible to get it perfect as there has to be a peice of plastic or glass between the pen and the screen to protect it, which is usually more than a millimeter thick which is what causes the offset , this wont be fixed until a better technology allows it

  • Yeah, I got mine earlier and they didn't give me a thumbglove, but I just cut up some cotton gloves instead.

  • The "better technology" would probably be OLED... can't wait for it.

  • That was an amazingly honest review of this work. I'm super-glad I watched this video.

    I really just wish someone who knew as much as you could be making the tablets; you actually know the user-experience, and would't stand justifying the same high-end model for the last 4 years based on sales figures and profit margins.

  • didn't they give u a thumb glove?

    U don't have to worry about the sensor once u have it

  • nope they didn't give me a thumb glove - but I cut up some cheapo cotton gloves and they do the trick.

  • I've had my Wacom Cintiq12wx for almost a year now and well, only problem I've had with it.. Is that my cat spilled coke over the converter box. But hey, it was fixed. So no worries there.

    I love to work with it and it improved my art a lot. No more working with paper and erasers that dont work together. lol.

    I looooooove my Cintiq! :D

  • I won't use anything else either - warts and all, there's nothing better yet.

  • For someone that has such an awesome piece of art equipment; you sure complain a lot.

    I've had mine for about a month, and have no complains at all. It's increased by work flow drastically, and it's a lot of fun.

    Just have fun with it, is all I can say.

  • given the size of the investment it represents, i think its fine to complain about it. i'm kind of ambivalent about spending money on the 21ux because of how outdated it is now in terms of display and tablet technology. the feature list on a lot of cheap monitors and the budget intuos 4 cause it to pale in comparison.

  • I just don't want one of my viewers to go out and blow over $1000 on a tablet thinking that it'll be perfect, then come back to me complaining I didn't tell them it wasn't.

  • @moatddtutorials hi bro hey have u heard about pen mouse?

    they are new but I would like to know if they are worth buying them. if u get one would u do a tutorial, please?

  • @moatddtutorials thanks for your complete overview.

  • @moatddtutorials got mine for 900! and i fucking LOVE IT X3

    no complaints. and did you calibrate it? hmmm?

    to be honest i easilly rest my hand on the tablet with no (blindspot) and no little ive with the mouse

    i agree with inverse sun. you really complain allot

    and maybe it was the RULER that gave you that scratch?

  • I definately will be saving to get the cintiq12wx. I have the intuos 3 n I saw the intuos 4 but I want to see what Im drawing so yay for Cintiq. I personally saw the 12wx n 21ux cintiqs in a electronics store n the 21UX is a flat screen monitor. good vid sir.

  • about the sweaty palm just buy a smudgeguard it work alot better than your method

  • well my package is arriving tommorow and im really excited ive watched tons of vid and no one has complained more than you but i expected many probelms and like you said you got to get used to it which is fine with me becuase i still belive this is the best tablet out there but you know what with your tips you just made it not so hard to use so thank you

  • you are a very good tutor n very informative!

  • Is there any sort of lag between toughing the screen and the line appearing as well?

  • It seems that a tablet that's standing upright would be sort of hard to work with, might just be me though.

  • You can lay it flat too.

  • I draw on a tablet pc myself and when my hand gets sweaty, i break out a very thin wool glove that i modified, so that it only covers the parts of my hand which are in contact with the screen. Personally I'd rather get used to using a glove to draw than to change my hand position to a uncomfortable one. This is a good way to prevent unwanted friction and lay out those smooth lines.

  • wow thanks so much for this video

    Hey, i wonder how do yo make a smooth line, because when I draw a line like a curve, it just cant be a smooth line

  • so where did u get this its like amazing

  • Also..when I'm at a comfortable zoom level, when I draw at a slower pace the line becomes very choppy and "square" if you know what I mean. All of these things also happens with curves. Is all of this concern with line wobbling not necessary? Or should I have this checked out? The lines do look much better in the Painter Essentials that came with the tablet. Also, this is my first tablet for the simple reason that I thought It would be wise to invest in a Cintiq.

  • Alright!! Since you've been using these tools for several years, I really trust your opinion! There's a section in your video where you place the ruler in the middle of your screen and draw a line. Now here's my question. How straight of a line should that be? I use photoshop cs3 and It seems like really precise sketching is pretty much impossible. The line on my cintiq will be guaranteed to have some line wobble. This increases with the more I'm zoomed out and the slower I move my hand. (cont.)

  • as you said yourself, you even have a customized dll embedded in your hardware. That could be messing with your products...

  • Wacom's drivers and hardware were acting screwy LONG before I made the DLL. My DLL, which was introduced afterwards FIXED problems. Whatever's bugs that are left aren't ones that I coded in.

    The DLL doesn't even insert into the hardware layer. Signals come from the hardware and are received by WACOM's driver. That driver passes info to the WINTAB API. That info then goes to my DLL and then to TVPaint.

    That goes for ALL tablets (including Aiptek) that conform to the LCS telegraphics standard.

  • Then refer to my first comment.

    I don't know if your warranty is complete. If not, them return it for a new cintiq tablet right now!

    I have the cintiq 12wx as well. And it does nothing of the sorts! In fact, the only thing I can agree upon is the jittering it gives when you draw near the corners. But aside from that, it works perfectly.

  • My previous Cintiq 18SX did the same thing - the calibration utility put the two targets off to the side in the "twilight" zone.

    And as for the tilt sensing bug... well, how many programs(or users) actually USE the tilt to its full potential? It might explain why others don't encounter these problems.

    How many people have you seen that have gotten their 6D stylus to use that chisel tip realistically? How many people even USE the 6D stylus? I haven't seen any videos yet! :D

  • Your asking the wrong guy. And there aren't many cintiq videos if you haven't noticed (speed painting else wise). But, I'm not saying that anyone has ever used a 6D Stylus on the cintiq.

    And no, it does not explain why others don't have that tilt problem. Its just you! And maybe a few others. I use the tilt feature in a good amount of my drawings. I know it works.

  • But doesn't it seem sort of odd that nothing turns up under a YouTube search for "6D stylus" or "6D Art Pen"? There seems to be a fair number of reviews for the tablets, though, all glowing, mind you.

    What program are you using that works with tilt, by the way? Photoshop? Painter? How is the brush shape affected by tilt? Just curious.

  • Look, I' don't own the 6D. Its nothing I can really answer or care about. So if the 6D stylus doesn't meet to your criterias, then I can't help on that one. But, I'm pretty sure it works well for many other cintiq users. You keep saying that there aren't many videos regarding it. Have you ever stopped to consider that not many people care to even post a video about it? Or for that matter, a review?

    Programs I use,

    Photoshop, Flash CS4, Painter, Cinema 4D graphic, Maya, Body Paint , etc..

  • Heh, the thing is -- I TALKED with other people who had the 6D and wound up returning it because it didn't live up to the hype. I hacked the DLL to MAKE it do what it was hyped to do.

    I understand that few people are in the position to post their own videos regarding their hardware/software, but even on the forums... There's not a lot of buzz.

    (continued)

  • Things like being able to switch from one monitor to the next with a tablet at the press of a button didn't come until after 5 years of complaints on their forum!

    WACOM doesn't have a good track record when it comes to turning the screws to fix their products. In the end, it comes down to unpaid, frustrated, third-party developers to do what needs to be done.

    (continued)

  • When you use the tilt stuff - is it mostly when working in 3D software? Or do you use it in Painter to adjust the brush shape in mid-stroke?

    See, the tilt bug won't be noticeable unless the stylus is in motion and you're working in 2D - when you're pushing verticies around in 3D, erratic tilt is less noticable.

  • I would like to know the number of people you've actually spoken too :].

    And, Air brush pen. In fact, if I were to try the 6D to what you said, then I'd most likely go ahead with the air brush stylus instead. I do mostly animation art 2D and 3D. I use Maya and Cinema 4D for it.

    I've used tilting for some of my 3D works! I won't say all the time though. And yes, I agree. Tilt works more efficiently with 2D art.

  • Come on you guys don't fight. No device is perfect. The cintiq is the first of its kind so it obviously should have glitches for being the first gen tablet of its kind. I'm pretty sure that will all the critics that the next version of cintiq or whatever its called will be even better. Every tablet have something we have to get used to. Wether its looking at the screen while drawing or dealing with cintiq problems.

  • I dont have any of these problems. The cintiq comes with a calibration tool that gets rid of the difference in pen and curser. It only takes a few tries to get it just right. Also. Use a smudge guard for your hand position problems. ALSO! you failed to mention the felt tip option that makes it feel like drawing on paper. I will say that the edges do squiggle, but I have never had it become an issue considering I just slide over the image and draw twards the center anyway (one button feature).

  • The calibration tool is bugged. At higher resolutions - at 1280x1024, the targets are sitting in the 'squiggle zone'. I learnt you gotta turn your screen res to 640x480 to perform the calibration, then turn it back up.

    Felt nibs are OK, but they entrap dirt and can promote scratches. They also wear out like shark's teeth.

  • Native res of the cintiq is 1280 x 800. And the calibration is based on perspective of where you sit. So I don't recommend lowering resolution because it gives false information. I enjoy your tutorials..I just think you should emphasize more positive things about the cintiq. Because these issues are not even a problem for me. You are right about the felt tips(they wear fast)..but they don't capture dirt. Nor will they contribute to scratches. BTW why no smudge guard. It also makes drawing easier

  • The WACOM tech rep recommended lowering the res to 640x480 to calibrate, which worked.

    Do you use a 6D stylus or Tilt?

    I'm not about to echo all the fawning WACOM reviews out there. I don't make this stuff up because I feel like it.

    I use Cintiqs in spite of their problems because there's no alternative. Support's slow, unresponsive and I'm cleaning up after their mess faster than they can. Shit, their own forum tech reps told me that THEY can't even get a response from their OWN DEV team!

  • I understand. I'm just saying your leading people to believe its a major issue when its not. I dunno..maybe I'm the only person on earth completely satisfied with the cintiq but I doubt it. Anyway..Im not here to argue. I love what your doing and cant wait to see more of your work. We should share tips when I get my work uploaded. This is just a dummy account mostely.

  • I've trained with fountain pens, india ink, brush pens, crow quills and those big fat pencils that need to be whittled down!

    Digital mediums make it easy to colour, edit and undo, but control is sacrificed -- the editing and undoing is spent fixing things caused by that lack of control. That's why digital has yet to replace traditional.

    It's stupid if I fix things that a multi-million-dollar, international corporation's dev-team is "too busy to fix." Hey WACOM: Less marketing, more fixing!

  • I suggest you return your cintiq back for a new one. As Gameboya mentioned, the native resolution is in fact 1280x800. The collaboration depends on you!

  • As I said earlier - I RUN under the native res of 1280x800. I CALIBRATE under the res of 640x480 because it moves the targets out of the twilight zone.

    The hardware is not defective. The driver/calibration utility design is defective.

  • i have a cintiq 12wx too, and i never notice those problems. but it does not make what you just said anyless truthful. ps check my videos lol

  • Hmmm maybe I should get an Intuos instead. =P

  • negative. cintiq is worth the money

  • Until something without the bugs comes along.

  • Cintiq is the best. Its a dream come true. Thanks for the vid.

  • Couldn't describe it better...

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