This is what you call HAVING CHURCH!! I need to know where is this church located so I can go visit on a Sunday morning. My legs would be numb abou time i would have gotten done dancing...JESUS!!! You can feel the power...
Thannk God us getting into Heaven ain't based on how well we shout. Cause the church got some shoutin gossipers, shoutin alchoholics, and tongue talkin devils. HOLINESS is what is required... folks now dancing their way into Hell. But I thank God for the Apostolic way... now that I'm saved according to the word. I can dance my way into Heaven.
i like it im not apostolic im non-domenational i go to House of Prayer Church of our Lord Jesus Christ videos of my church will be posted in a week or two
Look up Bishop C.I. White. This Church iss off of 285 in Clarkston or Tucker. A lot of people don't know about this Church.... BUT the presence of GOD is over there! GLORRRRRRRRRRY!
I am glad to see this on video! I understood that this was a praise unto the Lord and not the other subjects. If God works on the inside the outside will change as well. Bestdirectress, well read. We,we, we, what about God? Please help us all Jesus, in all our getting, get understanding,please.you may come as you are but you wont stay as you were. Be encouraged,He loves peace not war.
im COGIC but just cause of my title doesnt mean im gettin in...GOD didnt call COGIC or Apostolic or Baptist...but he called us to be holy and set apart. god bless
I really don't see why everything has to be about religion? Why can't it be about God, I'm sure a woman with a nice pant suit with a short hair style who worships & believes in God will make it into heaven just as a long haired dress wearing female would. I'm Full Gospel which is basically a mix of COGIC & BAPTIST & do believe we get our praise & dance on too! It's not just an Apost/Pent/Holiness thing, it's when u feel that fire shut in your bones that u can't contain your praise KINDA THING!
cuz we apostolics and thats what we do...it aint about women wearing pants or short hair... baptist walking outside or inside the church to smoke a cigarette and do whatever they want on the weekdays...and no im not sayin all..I believe HOLINESS IS RIGHT...and if you don't like stay away from pentecostals!!!we believe holiness is right!!!
I think that's the lamest excuse that people use on baptist, "they smoke outside the church." I'm sure COGIC's & Apostolics smoke, actually i KNOW some that do & what's the difference between a fat 1 too? They still aren't takin care of their temple RIGHT!? & there are PLENTY heavyweights in all denominations. Hmmm...Why do so many "holiness" preachers & members have that arrogance? Proverbs 8:13, that's what they need 2 read. People wonder why the #'s are DECREASING in such denominations..
well women dont wear pants suits...skirts and dresses only!!...and if you really wanted to know pentecostal arent really strict on that kinda thing nomore..only strict thing they are really on is women wearing pants in the church...u no what im not saying only pentecostals are saved and sanctified im saying that we just are strict on what the bible tells us..trust me ive seen some sanctified baptist!!!
Praise The Lord all of my Apostolic sistah's & bros. I must say that the church that I attend is still very old fashioned, the sistahs wear their prayer coverings/chapel veils is what we call them, although I understand that this was for that particular sect during that time period and their custom, but this was not to be forced on any other beleivers, so it's ok if ya chruch don't practice head coverings as long as ya got the apostles doctrine right "only one Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
Concernings headcoverings, in Corithians, its states that a woman is the GLORY of man and that her long hair is a GLORY to her. Even though she has long hair she should wear a covering to cover/hide her GLORY(being the Glory of man and cover her Glory, her long hair) otherwise, she is GLORIFYING herself and her husband and the LORD is to recieve all GLORY and HONOR. I am also Apostolic Holiness.
josuedjosh: but the Bible tells us that her hair IS the covering as well as the glory. 1 Corinthians 11:15 says: "For her hair is given her FOR a covering". Women do not literally need a covering on her head, but rather not cut her hair because it is her glory, but I will repsect your belief. I'm just glad your in the Truth. Have a blessed day! :) -Andrew
Praise the Lord all and peace unto the saints! I am COGIC but I wholeheartly agree with you. Holy women should adorn themselves as such, i.e no pants, cutting of hair, excess jewelry. You all are correct its a choice and a very good one. 4th generation COGIC and yet holding up the banner of REAL holiness living!! May you continue to be BLESSED in the LORD!
p.s...that scripture is 1 Corinthians 11:15 and it say's "But if a women have long hair, it is a glory to her: (then it explains what the covering is): for her hair is given her for a covering." God Bless ya'll.
I'm Apostolic but our women do not wear prayer hats on their heads because the Bible say's long hair is their covering, not hats. But it's ok to have this conviction I guess. Some Apostolic churches are even starting to believe it's ok for women to cut their hair and wear pants, which I'm TOTALLY against. If my wife felt like she needed to have her hair covered with a cloth, I would let her and I wouldn't judge her for it.
Oklahomaweather1 i agree, we Apostolics are loud, lol. I love being apostolic, the praise is awesome. Nope, the women don't wear pants, nor Jewelry or cut their hair, its a choice and its a good one.
I can't think of the name of the things on there head. But the only apostolic org. that have woman wear those is COOLJC which is Church Of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
The cloths on the ladies heads are called prayer hats. In the Bible Paul wrote that women should pray with their heads covered in reverence ti their husbands.
kenyasdaughter: lol I've said that for a while now. I think we Apostolics and COGIC are VERY similar in worship. lol. dis aint notin compared to some of our services. lol...praise him!
i am very glad to see and hear my favorite musicians and who i consider my friends bro tommy and organist bro. kurt .Keep praising the lord. We at Baptize Beleivers are enjoying this in Columbus.
i love to view this clip it reminds me of salvation and deliverance church in a way. you guys surely know how to praise the one and only God. i was blessed seeing the men praise God
This Church is located @ 1903 Clark Drive Tucker Ga, 30084. We are a church that believes in tongue talking, foot stompin, and praising God. If he did the simple things in your life like ( Woke you up, took you to work, activities of your legs and arms, in your right mind you owe God a praise too.)
no.. Thou shalt be ín the world, but not óf the world.
You shouldn't try to be like the world, the world'll be better, the only thing we cán win this strife through is through the merits of Jesus Christ, not because of any of us, untidy sinners, not even by 'real' music, while it's a great gift from God, Musica Dei Donum Optimi!
This i s music..this is the way us black people an pentecostal people have church and worship the Lord..we will continue to be ourselves and bless hiss name..
Obviously you are not familliar with the African-American Church experience. We have been shouting and dancing in the spirit for hundreds of years. Don't dispise the religious traditions of those you know not of.
Umm not being negative or nuffin, but umm, while the lil fellas are carrying on, half the church is sitting like ladedo ladeda...lol thats funny...love the sound...good deliverance music....
God bless the Men of God! Don't get me wrong, I am a sista' and I love to see us get blessed. But it AIN'T nothing like seeing brothers praise God. I don't care how they shout! Just to see them get emotional for Jesus! Be Blessed! Who is that playing the organ! OMG, Jesus knows I want to shout at my desk! Go head Brother organist! Need to send those brothers to Illinois and remind them of the praise! Beautiful!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES Jesus,It is a wounderful thing to see my Apostolic Men praising God in the front like that.When in the majority of the Churches only the women be praising like that.Go head Apostolic Brothers..Glory to the Most High God.
Yo that's what i'm talking about, getting your dance on for jesus. If he's done something for you why just sit there, Go ahead and praise. The bible says LEAP UP AND GET YOU SOME JOY!
Oh yes, EVERY sunday @ 6:00. Evening service is like old school church(TESTIMONY). Come one, come all, and get your praise on at HOLY GHOST HEADQUARTERS!!!
Praise Him people of God. How far is Tucker, GA from Warner Robins/Macon area? I need to visit St. John Apostolic...I agree with shonda827, "APOSTOLIC ALL DAY, APOSTOLIC ALL THE WAY!!!"
We had a fiya time that night, glad we didnt have service. Who was that lady in the blue? Was she OK after she fell??? Cuz she hit the ground...HARD, i mean HAAAARD
We are located in Tucker Ga. Yes, this is how we do it. APOSTOLIC ALL DAY, APOSTOLIC ALL THE WAY!!!. Bishop C.E. White was so anointed it just trickled on down to the musicians. Yall better play.
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ElderBrock222008 9 months ago
Them tongues at 3:43 shot str8 thru me. It something when them old Apostolic Bishops and Mothers speak in tongues. It quickens everybody
TheMinstrel4life 1 year ago
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!
yeahizme 1 year ago
LET THE BROTHERS DANCE.
tyreefat 1 year ago
Yes this is the way that the Apostolic get down.
tyreefat 1 year ago
This is what you call HAVING CHURCH!! I need to know where is this church located so I can go visit on a Sunday morning. My legs would be numb abou time i would have gotten done dancing...JESUS!!! You can feel the power...
rfelix01 1 year ago
3:45....priceless
adonisw2006 2 years ago
I would have been runnin all over that there church!!!! Hair everywhere!
byac06 2 years ago
Thannk God us getting into Heaven ain't based on how well we shout. Cause the church got some shoutin gossipers, shoutin alchoholics, and tongue talkin devils. HOLINESS is what is required... folks now dancing their way into Hell. But I thank God for the Apostolic way... now that I'm saved according to the word. I can dance my way into Heaven.
militantprince09 2 years ago 2
@militantprince09 Praise God for your comment. I thank God for being Apostolic,
churchgal2011 5 months ago
i like it im not apostolic im non-domenational i go to House of Prayer Church of our Lord Jesus Christ videos of my church will be posted in a week or two
jesusisgoodnews 2 years ago
praise 'em Bishop Brooks!!! I see you in that sanctified black and red!!!!
mindrm 2 years ago
exactly where in ATL???? I gotta go asap
08Churchboi08 3 years ago
Look up Bishop C.I. White. This Church iss off of 285 in Clarkston or Tucker. A lot of people don't know about this Church.... BUT the presence of GOD is over there! GLORRRRRRRRRRY!
tkj1985 3 years ago
BISHOP C.E WHITE
chosenband4 2 years ago
Its in tucker ga..
Quishawn1 2 years ago
I love to see the men of GOD praise like that!! That's rare in most churches. PRAISE GOD for the brothers!!
zionsdaughter7 3 years ago
PRIASE HIM PRIASE HIM IN THE DANCE
tyreefat 3 years ago
LET BROTHER DANCE DANCE DANCE
tyreefat 3 years ago
i remember goin to this church as little boy with my great grandmother and they been doin it like this for as long as can i remember.shoutin crazy
tallblkcute 3 years ago
what city is this church in?
jholyghosthead 3 years ago
ATL
tyreefat 3 years ago
thank you!!
jholyghosthead 3 years ago
WHAT CHURCH DO YOU GO TO?
tyreefat 3 years ago
ebenezer in new orleans!
jholyghosthead 2 years ago
THANK YOU JESUS THIS IS FIRE ALL THE WAY
Pastorfonzo 4 years ago
man this is an apostolic praise here!
theon2008 4 years ago 2
I am glad to see this on video! I understood that this was a praise unto the Lord and not the other subjects. If God works on the inside the outside will change as well. Bestdirectress, well read. We,we, we, what about God? Please help us all Jesus, in all our getting, get understanding,please.you may come as you are but you wont stay as you were. Be encouraged,He loves peace not war.
rebarenee7 4 years ago
Well..Let the people praise Him,,,
datnyone 4 years ago
im COGIC but just cause of my title doesnt mean im gettin in...GOD didnt call COGIC or Apostolic or Baptist...but he called us to be holy and set apart. god bless
Cogicsaint 4 years ago
I really don't see why everything has to be about religion? Why can't it be about God, I'm sure a woman with a nice pant suit with a short hair style who worships & believes in God will make it into heaven just as a long haired dress wearing female would. I'm Full Gospel which is basically a mix of COGIC & BAPTIST & do believe we get our praise & dance on too! It's not just an Apost/Pent/Holiness thing, it's when u feel that fire shut in your bones that u can't contain your praise KINDA THING!
Toomchrhytm 4 years ago
cuz we apostolics and thats what we do...it aint about women wearing pants or short hair... baptist walking outside or inside the church to smoke a cigarette and do whatever they want on the weekdays...and no im not sayin all..I believe HOLINESS IS RIGHT...and if you don't like stay away from pentecostals!!!we believe holiness is right!!!
kennywashington 4 years ago 2
I think that's the lamest excuse that people use on baptist, "they smoke outside the church." I'm sure COGIC's & Apostolics smoke, actually i KNOW some that do & what's the difference between a fat 1 too? They still aren't takin care of their temple RIGHT!? & there are PLENTY heavyweights in all denominations. Hmmm...Why do so many "holiness" preachers & members have that arrogance? Proverbs 8:13, that's what they need 2 read. People wonder why the #'s are DECREASING in such denominations..
Toomchrhytm 4 years ago
Is this Kenny from Bishop Mary D lawrence church.. (Open Door Outreach)
Heonline18 4 years ago
well women dont wear pants suits...skirts and dresses only!!...and if you really wanted to know pentecostal arent really strict on that kinda thing nomore..only strict thing they are really on is women wearing pants in the church...u no what im not saying only pentecostals are saved and sanctified im saying that we just are strict on what the bible tells us..trust me ive seen some sanctified baptist!!!
kennywashington 4 years ago
i agree with lovejones and i love the video
bxbaptistbrofa 4 years ago
Now this is what I call CHURCH. That's how we Pentecostal's Role. Always got a dance in our feet!
PentecostalBro07 4 years ago
Praise The Lord all of my Apostolic sistah's & bros. I must say that the church that I attend is still very old fashioned, the sistahs wear their prayer coverings/chapel veils is what we call them, although I understand that this was for that particular sect during that time period and their custom, but this was not to be forced on any other beleivers, so it's ok if ya chruch don't practice head coverings as long as ya got the apostles doctrine right "only one Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
lovejones238 4 years ago
Concernings headcoverings, in Corithians, its states that a woman is the GLORY of man and that her long hair is a GLORY to her. Even though she has long hair she should wear a covering to cover/hide her GLORY(being the Glory of man and cover her Glory, her long hair) otherwise, she is GLORIFYING herself and her husband and the LORD is to recieve all GLORY and HONOR. I am also Apostolic Holiness.
josuedjosh 4 years ago
josuedjosh: but the Bible tells us that her hair IS the covering as well as the glory. 1 Corinthians 11:15 says: "For her hair is given her FOR a covering". Women do not literally need a covering on her head, but rather not cut her hair because it is her glory, but I will repsect your belief. I'm just glad your in the Truth. Have a blessed day! :) -Andrew
oklahomaweather1 4 years ago
Praise the Lord all and peace unto the saints! I am COGIC but I wholeheartly agree with you. Holy women should adorn themselves as such, i.e no pants, cutting of hair, excess jewelry. You all are correct its a choice and a very good one. 4th generation COGIC and yet holding up the banner of REAL holiness living!! May you continue to be BLESSED in the LORD!
bestdirectress2b 4 years ago
p.s...that scripture is 1 Corinthians 11:15 and it say's "But if a women have long hair, it is a glory to her: (then it explains what the covering is): for her hair is given her for a covering." God Bless ya'll.
oklahomaweather1 4 years ago
I'm Apostolic but our women do not wear prayer hats on their heads because the Bible say's long hair is their covering, not hats. But it's ok to have this conviction I guess. Some Apostolic churches are even starting to believe it's ok for women to cut their hair and wear pants, which I'm TOTALLY against. If my wife felt like she needed to have her hair covered with a cloth, I would let her and I wouldn't judge her for it.
oklahomaweather1 4 years ago
im with i dont like the apostolics wearing pants...ive been apostolic all my life and we have never wore pants!!!or cut hair
kennywashington 4 years ago 2
Oklahomaweather1 i agree, we Apostolics are loud, lol. I love being apostolic, the praise is awesome. Nope, the women don't wear pants, nor Jewelry or cut their hair, its a choice and its a good one.
ApostolicGodsChild 4 years ago
Praise Him with the tibrel and DANCE!!! I love it.
TheWordCenter 4 years ago
praise him people of god
tonydavis1979 4 years ago
Dat's what I'm talkin'bout! True Praise! Go forth chilin' skit skat for da masta!
32pedalnotes 4 years ago 2
No thats not true I am from Florida and the majority of holiness Apostolic churches the women wear prayer clothes,head coverings,etc
ELIPOUL 4 years ago
Hey,
I am not familiar with the apostolic traditions and i was wondering what exactly are the white cloths on the womens heads symbolize or standfor??
lilaj4u 4 years ago
I can't think of the name of the things on there head. But the only apostolic org. that have woman wear those is COOLJC which is Church Of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
jwesley21 4 years ago
The cloths on the ladies heads are called prayer hats. In the Bible Paul wrote that women should pray with their heads covered in reverence ti their husbands.
rehairston 4 years ago
Did any body notice the power of hit about 3:43. If you are going to be the church have power. Sinners will cry what must I do to be saved.
mmlj123 4 years ago
I am glad to see that the women cover their heads for the most part, alot of Apostolic churches don't practice it anymore.
sterlingT 4 years ago
atl church nothing like it
vaniyah3x 4 years ago
ok Apostolic Dont priase him no diff den we COGIC folks do...we b Gettin it just like dat if not betta
kenyasdaughter 4 years ago
kenyasdaughter: lol I've said that for a while now. I think we Apostolics and COGIC are VERY similar in worship. lol. dis aint notin compared to some of our services. lol...praise him!
oklahomaweather1 4 years ago
Y'all better church!!! That organist and drummer are BAD.
gm0089 4 years ago
I know this church! Bishop C.E. White. We know him in Milwaukee WI Thats how we praise him!!!
jorryna 4 years ago
jesus now that is having church
jeromeshmeka6688 4 years ago
i am very glad to see and hear my favorite musicians and who i consider my friends bro tommy and organist bro. kurt .Keep praising the lord. We at Baptize Beleivers are enjoying this in Columbus.
KeithandB 4 years ago
Thats my church!!!!!
Tymmiah 4 years ago
i love to view this clip it reminds me of salvation and deliverance church in a way. you guys surely know how to praise the one and only God. i was blessed seeing the men praise God
missfrasier 4 years ago
This Church is located @ 1903 Clark Drive Tucker Ga, 30084. We are a church that believes in tongue talking, foot stompin, and praising God. If he did the simple things in your life like ( Woke you up, took you to work, activities of your legs and arms, in your right mind you owe God a praise too.)
Tommyjr18 4 years ago
Oh my..
YOU DARE CALL THIS MUSIC?
TO THE HONOUR OF GOD??
no.. Thou shalt be ín the world, but not óf the world.
You shouldn't try to be like the world, the world'll be better, the only thing we cán win this strife through is through the merits of Jesus Christ, not because of any of us, untidy sinners, not even by 'real' music, while it's a great gift from God, Musica Dei Donum Optimi!
LS
Principaal 4 years ago
you are a mess...we will praise the Lord
datnyone 4 years ago
This i s music..this is the way us black people an pentecostal people have church and worship the Lord..we will continue to be ourselves and bless hiss name..
datnyone 4 years ago
Obviously you are not familliar with the African-American Church experience. We have been shouting and dancing in the spirit for hundreds of years. Don't dispise the religious traditions of those you know not of.
FGBCflava 4 years ago
I will be there this sunday!!! seriously!
Brokeithapostolic77 4 years ago
alright y'all..now where is the church and address?
ebufford 4 years ago
Umm not being negative or nuffin, but umm, while the lil fellas are carrying on, half the church is sitting like ladedo ladeda...lol thats funny...love the sound...good deliverance music....
lee69mee 4 years ago
them men better praise GOD...
datnyone 4 years ago
God bless the Men of God! Don't get me wrong, I am a sista' and I love to see us get blessed. But it AIN'T nothing like seeing brothers praise God. I don't care how they shout! Just to see them get emotional for Jesus! Be Blessed! Who is that playing the organ! OMG, Jesus knows I want to shout at my desk! Go head Brother organist! Need to send those brothers to Illinois and remind them of the praise! Beautiful!
bestdirectress2b 4 years ago
All I got to say is what happens at around 2:42 seconds???
cglasper 4 years ago
what city is this in?
dapreacha05 4 years ago
Only in the Atl (Tucker) baby. Where the men dont mind praising our Lord.
cglasper 4 years ago
I would not change this for any rap music
Ic333c 4 years ago
Oh that MEN would praise the Lord.... That's how we do it in GA!
Atldarknight 4 years ago
Alright now, LOOSE THAT PRAISE HO SHANDO! I HAVE TO MAKE A TRIP TO TUCKER GA! ASAP!!!
Brokeithapostolic77 5 years ago
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES Jesus,It is a wounderful thing to see my Apostolic Men praising God in the front like that.When in the majority of the Churches only the women be praising like that.Go head Apostolic Brothers..Glory to the Most High God.
lonnell23 5 years ago
Yo that's what i'm talking about, getting your dance on for jesus. If he's done something for you why just sit there, Go ahead and praise. The bible says LEAP UP AND GET YOU SOME JOY!
PentecostalBro07 5 years ago
WHERE IS THIS MINISTRY LOCATED?
drjaymac 5 years ago
Tucker, GA a suburb of Atlanta.
eldersdb 5 years ago
1903 Clark Dr Tucker, Ga 30084. 770-939-5220
shonda827 4 years ago
do yall have evening service?
Brokeithapostolic77 4 years ago
Oh yes, EVERY sunday @ 6:00. Evening service is like old school church(TESTIMONY). Come one, come all, and get your praise on at HOLY GHOST HEADQUARTERS!!!
shonda827 4 years ago
Next time I go to GA, I think I better visit this church. NY GAWD!!
Orbot 4 years ago
Bishop White and St. John Apostolic Church always have good church.
eldersdb 5 years ago
Sounds good! Yep, Apostolic all the way. Go to the Apostolic Worship Center.
devonmays 5 years ago
go head and give good some praise
luvcooley 5 years ago
ANOINTEDDRUMMERGIRL
im on borde with you ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM
skye4 5 years ago
look like they was shoutin 2 akon's "smack that" lol
flcogicboy 5 years ago
Y'all betta have them heads covered. Those ushers looks like they had a handful to deal with, LOL.
antical79 5 years ago
that is how us in the body of christ supposed to bring in the new year with a praise hey hey hey
dariusreid09 5 years ago
that is how we in the body of christ supposed to bring in the new year with a praise hey hey hey
dariusreid09 5 years ago
Look at Rashad,Oneal,Reginal,Shank(Tommy) *BUCKING* like they crazy!!!! And look at Rashad with his lil tie on!!! LOL!!!
Heonline18 5 years ago
ttg
Heonline18 5 years ago
Y'all betta stop dat.. whoooo JESUS!!!
TrueFellowship 5 years ago
Praise Him people of God. How far is Tucker, GA from Warner Robins/Macon area? I need to visit St. John Apostolic...I agree with shonda827, "APOSTOLIC ALL DAY, APOSTOLIC ALL THE WAY!!!"
anointeddrummergirl 5 years ago
We had a fiya time that night, glad we didnt have service. Who was that lady in the blue? Was she OK after she fell??? Cuz she hit the ground...HARD, i mean HAAAARD
acts238kat 5 years ago
Who Is That Drummer He Is Sick....
reggie1nonly 5 years ago
Now datz how u hav sum chuuuch I grew up in da Assemblies of Jesus Christ (@Gospel Tabernacle of Prayer, in Maryland) we get it like dys ery sunday
Afrocentriiq 5 years ago
now that's Apostolic praise. I would love to shout with y'all some day. Probably won't be til we get to Heaven, but OH what a day that will be!!
lupeh 5 years ago
Thankyou St.John for being there for us (citadel) members during our time of bereavement if we didnt have you all bishop i dont know what we would do
mikeinatl1576 5 years ago
Play Kurt!!!
lashawnc 5 years ago
I felt that in my big toe!
Praise him y'all.
jesuschick 5 years ago
ooooh i love it! the 2nd break, i had to move with it...
bishop85 5 years ago
Nice i love hearing kurt play!!
Edizzle07 5 years ago
We are located in Tucker Ga. Yes, this is how we do it. APOSTOLIC ALL DAY, APOSTOLIC ALL THE WAY!!!. Bishop C.E. White was so anointed it just trickled on down to the musicians. Yall better play.
shonda827 5 years ago
Thats what I'm saying APOSTOLIC ALL DAY APOSTOLIC ALL THE WAY!!! ain't nothing like the Apostolic way
luvcooley 5 years ago
That's what I'm talking about! When we move to GA we got a new church home!
Pawboi85 5 years ago
okay GA get ready cause we coming to dance wit cha
luvcooley 5 years ago
oh nevermind...st johh apostolic in atlanta
jusbetter4u 5 years ago
where is this church located???
jusbetter4u 5 years ago