Watch the video on here by your conservative hero RONALD REGAN say that without Unions and Collective Bargaining, there is no freedom. Put in Ronald Regan Collective Bargaining Freedom
I live in WI. an the Democrats an Unions are acting like a bunch of 2 year old children. Someone has to pay for what they all want an they (Unions an/or Democrats) are not even willing to pay for what they are getting. They want to get more an then push it off onto the Tax Paying Public, (young, old, rich an poor) so they can live like kings while the rest of the people starve in their own homes. Isn't it bad enough to have Obama in the White House why do we need more of the same thing in WI.
I live in WI. an the Democrats an Unions are acting like a bunch of 2 year old children. Someone has to pay for what they all want an they (Unions an/or Democrats) are not even willing to pay for what they are getting. They want to get more an then push it off onto the Tax Paying Public, (young, old, rich an poor) so they can live like kings while the rest of the people starve in their own homes. Isn't it bad enough to have Obama in the White House, why do we need more of the same thing in WI
Walker has turned me from a suburban moderate to a supporter of German-style socialism. Universal health care, free college education for Wisconsin children, trade unions. I already pay 40% in taxes, what's another 5%? Screw the corporate agenda. They don't care about us.
This video was created by the right-wing Heritage Foundation. Corporate propaganda. The video says Private Unions have declined since the 1980s. I wonder why? Reaganomics. Reagan shipped American jobs abroad. Reagan gave private companies incentives to ship jobs abroad with huge tax-cuts/breaks and no tariffs on imports. Reagan was a union buster. Public Unions are currently at a higher rate now because you can't ship government jobs abroad - govt. looks out for the public good. Simple as that.
@Djmemez Capital flows where the return on it is greatest. Simple as that. If outsourcing is something you dont like, then support policies that increase the return on Capital IN the US. Libs support policies that create lower returns on Capital. Higher Corp taxes, more regulations and environmental costs, difficulty in permits, etc. REMOVING impediments to business is how jobs are kept. Texas has 37% of all new jobs, with only 7% of the population. Low taxes, less regulation.
@luvcheney1 -- You agree then that Reaganomics began the dismantle of private unions. At least you're owning up to it. Corporates taxes are currently at 7%, Capital gains tax is at 15% and the Federal Income tax at 35%. Under Republican President Dwight Eisenhower Corporate taxes were at 35%, Capital gains tax at 30% and the Federal Income tax at 91%. Wasn't the 50s America's Golden Age? Keep in mind America had to pay more WW2 debt than it currently has to for the ongoing 3 wars.
Addendum: regulations had been a part of the US economy from the 40s up until 1979. Regulation keeps Wall Street in check. Keeps the Banks in check. Keeps Oil and Gas companies in check. Regulations help fight Corporate fraud, abuse, corruption and the like. Federal/State regulations help the public, you know that? If there were less regulations would be like China/Mexico - i.e., living in heavy smoke-filled air, wastelands and pollution. Big Business needs to adapt, not the other way.
@Djmemez Sure, Govt regulators of Wall Street, and banking, oil companies really had things running like a top? Impressed by the Federal Govt, the Federal Reserve? I am not. I am impressed by Gold. The Govt, and the Federal Reserve can go fuck themselves. I am 59, and never financed a car in my whole life. My Daddy born in 1900, rejected debt as well. You go beg for crumbs, I enjoyed watching banking system fail, I profited. It isnt over, they print $ to keep collapse away. Great! For Gold, me.
@luvcheney1 - President Reagan along with his cronies deregulated the: banking industry, Wall Street, Oil companies, switched the US to credit rather than money et al. Also known as "reaganomics". This supply-side economics isn't working, hasn't worked. It fact, it has slowly but surely destroyed this nation. The Federal Reserve is independent from the government, it's privately-owned. I am sure it gets some public money either forcefully or generously.
@Djmemez World competition is dismantling unions. Fact is, US consumers reject high prices. Taxes received BY the Federal Govt during the 1950`s were 17.3% of GDP. During the Bush term, they were 17.4% Pretty funny how a 91% tax rate gives same % of economy to Govt as a 35% rate. Why? YOU actually think the rich will not react, will not make the changes necessary to avoid stupid rates. John Lennon got shot, because the Brits wanted to tax all his money, so he got his ass killed over it.
@luvcheney1 - Emerging markets? Yes. Cheap labor. However, who courted China in the 80s? Reagan. US consumers if they knew that a small business is hurt financially by purchasing at Wall-Mart would try to spend more money at the mom & pop shop than at Wall-Mart. The same thing applies with private union products are being outcompeted by cheaper wages/prices -- the thing that many people forget is that they are essentially lowering their standard of living at the expense of cheaper products.
Germany is an ideal example of how it creates its high-priced union made goods, sells them to emerging markets, US and other states in the European Union. Unions in Europe vary from 10%-30%, Canada's unions are at 30%. And so on. So, private unions are being crushed is because the US govt. has favored big businesses over unions since the 1980s. In the 90s the US had NAFTA crafted. Ilegal immigrants are cheap labor for big businesses. I wonder why won't Republican fight for them^ and business?
91% tax rate does NOT yield the same as 35%. Your logic is seriously faulty. Taxes regarding the GDP were higher in the 1950s. You're delusional. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower was very progressive. He spent money like crazy on the: interstate highway, G.I. bill, public works and highly favored unionization. He also said that any party which advocated the elimination/dismantling of social programs were "stupid and negligible" - still rings truth today regarding the American people.
@Djmemez Google "Office of Management and Budget Table 2.3", and then look up 1950-1959, and 2001-2008, and average together TOTAL Revenue, as % of GDP for each corresponding period. I assume you already know the 50`s had top rates for personal of about 90%, corp rate of 51%, and both were 35% under Bush? You "assume" rich, and Corporations will cooperate. Rich folks reorganize, Corporation just fucking leave the US, for better places. Calif = 43.8% tax, Canada = 16%. China = 20% OECD =24%
@luvcheney1 - The Corporate tax is currently at 7%, under GWB it was around the same level 7-9% percentile. The wealthy and corporations do cooperate in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. etc. What make US any different? Corporations and the rich paid higher (prior to the 80s) taxes in the US. Corporations have been leaving since the 70s, Reagan furthered this process in the 80s with tax-break/cuts incentives and no tariffs on importation of goods.
@luvcheney1 - I checked the GPOacess site about the GDP and its calculation is wrong. I went directly to the WhiteHouse and got different (tweaked) numbers. I also went to the taxfoundation site. The rich nowadays pay almost the same as somebody making less than $380,000. Ironically, the 1920s-1929 the tax rate was at 25% currently what the 112th GOP House of Representatives is striving to do. The failed conservative policies of the 1920s isn't what America needs or wants.
@Djmemez Corp taxes are not at 7%. You are stating some statistic on an "effective" rate, which is pretending taxes on corp income earned, and kept, out of the US, and Corp income earned outside, and given a credit on taxes paid overseas against our own 35% rate when returned. The very REASON corp tax returns ARE LOW, is because most everywhere else on fucking Earth has lower rates than the US, and why pay fed and state rate of 43.8% in Ca, when 24% is avg of 31 OECD nations? CEO`s arent stupid.
Some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied. The paradox of the United States tax code — high rates with a bounty of subsidies, shelters and special breaks — has made American multinationals world leaders in tax avoidance.
@Djmemez US Corps pay little taxes for a simple reason. They take profits out of the US. They have fled, stupid. 80% of all tax credits are the foreign tax credit. Then, some dumbass Lib figures a "what if" they paid on TOTAL income! That is where low percent taxes (actual, not statutory, come from). "What if" they HAD NOT FLED. There is a reason to flee, far lower statutory rates nearly ANYWHERE else.
@Djmemez Corp tax avoidance is quite simple. Calif has a 43.8% corp rate (Fed 35% plus State 8.8%). Outsource, leave the US and pay 16% in Canada, or in 31 OECD nations pay just 24%. But then after a corp has left, a LIb will average out the zero a corp pays that is gone, with 35% of corp that is still here, and say they average only 15%. Get it, stupid?
Bordering on comedy, this is a pathetic attempt to make public labor unions into scapegoats, while rewriting history. (Glenn Beck saying it, doesn't make it true.) For example, Pres.Roosevelt was in favor of collective bargaining. He signed: The National Industrial Recovery Act Of 1933, Guaranteed Collective Bargaining Rights For Unions. Also, public labor unions do not have the last say in labor negotiations. Public Unions are not the problem, corporate control of news media and Congress, is.
We are not broke. The Heritage Foundation produced this, and several other propaganda flicks, with the intent of encouraging working people to blame teachers, the fire fighters and the police force for state's budget problems. Gov Walker caused the shortage of funds this situation by forcing tax cuts. The real root of the problem is that the corporations and the richest of Americans don't pay their fair share of taxes. We have been robbed by Governor Walker and the Heritage Foundation.
@BNPPeace False. In the United States today, every American, yes EVERY American, including the wealthiest among us, could be taxed 100% and we'd still be in a deficit. The issue is not taxes, it's spending. Keep in mind that the wealthiest Americans pay over 50% of all income taxes that are collected. Also, Walker entered a situation that was already desperate. Claiming that he caused the deficit is like claiming that Obama started the war in Iraq.
@rvgmuhs07 General Electric paid no taxes in 2009. If they did, would this make a dent in the deficit? Absolutely. We don't need to balance the budget on the back of our kid's teachers. GE which had an affective tax rate of 5.5% in 2008 and 2007 15% while the Corporate rate is supposed to be 35%. How did they get away with free loading? Walker's goal is to break the Unions. This will not resolve the deficit, only drive down the wages of all working Americans. How UN-American is that?
@BNPPeace I'll take you word that GE paid no taxes in 2009 but if you think that would make a dent in the deficit you are kidding yourself. Have you SEEN the size of the deficit lately? "We don't need to balance the budget on the back of our kid's teachers." Umm, I'm sorry, but when salary and benefits amount to 100K for a single teacher that's BS. Get to retire at 55, pay a fraction of there own benefits even compared to teachers in other states. Get real
@rvgmuhs07 It's not just GE, look at Bank of American, Exxon Mobil and other mega corporations. Teachers average $51,000 salary, $25,000 in benefits, with an MS degree. Without teachers, Johnny does not learn to read. Is that not an important job? Goldman Sachs CEO was paid over $18.6m last year and that was after we bailed them out, with tax payer money. Where is your outrage over that? Get real... A balanced budget would require corporations to pay their fair share of taxes to the IRS.
@BNPPeace The higher taxes are raised on corporations, the less money they have to hire workers, and the less people have jobs. Also, higher taxes mean corporations are more likely to move elsewhere. The US has one of THE highest corporate tax rates in the world and you wonder why companies are moving overseas? BTW, I didn't like the bailouts. Yes, teaching is important. That is my prospective career believe it or not, but why should they get such higher compensation than anyone else?
@rvgmuhs07 Do you see jobs being created, with the record profits now being made by Exon Mobil, Goldman Sachs, etc.? Corporations can afford to pay taxes, especially oil companies, banks, insurance companies. They are taking the money and giving themselves bonuses, and pay raises, not creating additional jobs. A reasonable level of taxation for all ensures, good schools, roads, public health, parks etc. Compared to other professions requiring higher education, teachers make less.
@BNPPeace Bottom line is raising taxes sends companies elsewhere and the deficit is far too big to be fixed by higher taxes anyway. Also, the compensation for MPS teachers is approximately 100K.
@rvgmuhs07 The deficit is not too big to fix with a more equitable tax rate. Why do you think taking away teacher's right to collective bargaining can fix the deficit, if closing corporate tax holes can't? Good luck teaching. I hope you will get your news from multiple sources and not just FOX News and Bill O"Reilly etc.. You will probably one day wish that you and your fellow teachers could negotiate (collective bargaining) a contract for a living wage, health care and a retirement check.
@BNPPeace Collective bargaining at best is unnecessary. That is what labor laws are for. At worst, they allow unions to counter every move the government makes to attempt to manage their own budget, which has already happened within the last few months. FYI, I rarely pay attention to FOX and I never pay attention to Bill O'Reilly. Now, you say that, "The deficit is not too big to fix with a more equitable tax rate." What statistic do you base that fallacious claim on?
@rvgmuhs07 Collective bargaining is democracy.It's co-workers negotiating as a group, instead of individually, with employers for an agreement on pay, hours and other working conditions. Without this right, workers will suffer loss of benefits and pay. Labor laws were passes as the result of union organizing and pressure on government. You are very biased against workers and unions, and very pro corporation. Walker initially cut taxes on the rich, creating the budget crisis.
@BNPPeace See now you are just going in circles and saying the same incorrect stuff over again. "Walker initially cut taxes on the rich, creating the budget crisis." Umm, no, the budget was in crisis well before he even ran, that's why he was elected. Yes, unions established labor laws, but now that labor laws exist, union are obsolete at best, and abusive at worst. It's no longer about fair wages, it's about obscene benefits coming out of taxpayer income.
@rvgmuhs07 Ending collective bargaining will save how much $? $20 billion/year could be gained from closing tax loop holes for big oil alone. Collective Bargaining rights were created by labor law and because corporate power is so strong, now being eliminated. While corporations make record profits in the billions, record numbers of working people have lost jobs, housing, healthcare. Obscene:Goldman Sachs gave out $16.2 billion in bonuses in 2010, averaging $500,000 to each employee.
@BNPPeace $20 billion a year would fix the deficit if the deficit was $20 billion. It's not, the deficit is several trillion dollars.That's basic math. Get it through your head that spending is the problem and increasing taxes wouldn't do jack.
@rvgmuhs07 Basic math. To have a balanced budget, money coming in to IRS must = money going out. US needs something like $4trillion to balance the budget. Big oil, big banks, etc have mega loop holes and tax breaks and closing these would bring in billions, a lot of $. But that is not even up for discussion. Get through your head that this video is propaganda, and not based on fact. For example: Roosevelt was in favor of, and signed collective bargaining legislation. Look it up.
@BNPPeace Yes, income must = expenses. Logic would make obvious that billions coming in does not = trillions going out. Roosevelt signed collective bargaining for the private sector, but opposed it for the public sector. Look it up. I also take it that you do not wish to refute my explanation for why collective bargaining should be eliminated?
@rvgmuhs07 So, with your basic math, ending the rights of public unions will solve the $4trillion problem? Refute, yes! Public Union leaders do not force anything on the government, they negotiate a fair contract. $51,000/yr, is barely a living wage. Teacher education cost up to $50,000/yr. I have spelled out where I think the $ could come from to balance the budget. Corporate America is awash in cash. They don't pay their fair share. How about ending one of the 3, trillions dollar wars?
@BNPPeace I didn't say that, but it is a necessary step so the government can balance it's own budget without interference. How do you claim that collective bargaining is a right? It is not in the constitution, therefore it is a priveledge, and one that has been abused. Yes, you've spelled out where you think the $ can come fro without explaining how $billions in taxes will pay for $trillions in debt. Finally, MPS teacher compensation is 100K per year, no less.
@rvgmuhs07 I said collective bargaining was part of labor law that was passed to protect workers rights. It, and other labor laws are now being eliminated, due to corporate power.Corporations(e.g. Koch brothers) make more profits when they drive down pay & benefits of workers. How has collective bargaining been abused? Bargaining is part of getting a fair deal for both parties. Now corporate tax loop holes, that is interference. Where do you think Exxon Mobil and Bank of America are going?
@BNPPeace Collective Bargaining is a law that is obsolete due to other labor laws. You seriously don't believe that unions have abused collective bargaining? It happens all the time! Even after the budget was proposed in Wisconsin, unions attempted to use it in order to renegotiate the same 100K in salary and benefits even though they claimed that they were willing to take some cutbacks because of the deficit. Also, average teacher pay is more than any other milwaukee job. That's not abusive?
@BNPPeace Haha corporate greed. That's funny since I'm a student studying to be a teacher. I provided you with links to my info, you on the other hand, can't even explain how you think that $billions will pay for $trillions of debt. I agree with ending the conversation, since it keeps going in circles.
@kingmafi6699 I never said that unions are the reason that America is bankrupt. Honestly, read through the whole argument. If you think that the "powerful bankers and industrialists" have enough cash to pay off all of America's debt, then you are the one who needs a reality check. Again, read through the whole argument. The real problems are the insane amount of taxes on corporations which force them to move jobs elsewhere and the abandonment of the gold standard by Nixon.
Corporations made more money from this economic crisis than ever. They only have a collective self interest towards profit. In fact they could "Move back" jobs and still have enough. They made money by consolidating more wealth in their hands.
As for you gold standard argument, It was abandoned to allow credit expansion but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
@kingmafi6699 The S&P500 represents 500 large corporations. Look up the PE Ratio of the S&P500. That is Price/ Earnings Ratio, or return on investment. It is 22.47 today, which means $22.47 invested for a year returns $1. That is just 4.45% return, hardly excessive! Gold cant be printed by Federal Reserve, so it stops phony money creation, and debt creation. It is discipline to avoid the bubbles in assets like the DotCom in Clinton, housing in Bush term. These bubbles form from Fed credit.
@kingmafi6699 Please notice the lack of specifics. Your reply is limited to vague, general belief. Here is a specific, replying to CEO "huge payouts". William McGuire, CEO of United Health (largest insurer) made $124 million 2005. $10 mill of that was wage/benefit/fringe, the rest stock/options. Stock/options are GIVEN by shareholders ( owners), giving a share of ownership, at THEIR cost, out of THEIR pockets. United earns $70 bill, so CEO cost insured .00014 of fee, 7 cents per $500 policy.
I look at it from a high level systemic view rather than individual parts.
The source of all profit is through the exploitation of workers.
The greater the profits the greater the exploitation.
Yes some CEO's may have different income streams but at the root of it all it is not through their own labor but through the extraction of surplus value. Especially third world labor.
@kingmafi6699 3rd world labor is no different than US labor was, during industrial development. "Exploitation" of labor, at low pay, enabled growth of industry, growing employment that began soaking up the surplus of low wage agricultural workers. Eventually, in US, and currently in China, the glut (surplus) of workers begins to decline, and wages/ benefits rise, as industry has NO CHOICE, to attract labor. Chinese, exploited labor much richer, today, than 40 yrs ago. Libs prefer poverty.
All it did was create a class of landless industrial serfs.
Under capitalism wages have no reason to rise. The more the wages rise te less profit a capitalist has. The more the capitalist has the more impoverished the working class.
There is no surplus of labor either rather their is scarcity of resources and concentration of "private property" in the hands of the few which means the masses ultimately have no real choice as they must sell their labor power to a capitalist.
@kingmafi6699 "Under capitalism wages have no reason to rise". You think present standard of living is same as it was in 1900? Chinese standard of living the same as before the freeing up of the economy in late 1970`s? Why are the vast majority of USA workers earning more than minimum wages in private sector, when only 7% of sector is union? Hiring labor in sweatshops reduces supply of labor, while increasing demand. Hi profit makes MORE demand for labor, greedy capitalist build more factories.
@luvcheney1 -- Chinese workers are already demanding higher wages and benefits. It looks like American corporations will be coerced to raise Chinese worker's income or be penalized by the authoritarian state of China. Con-servatives prefer social-darwinism.
@BNPPeace Did you even watch this video? Collective Bargaining in itself won't directly save money, but it will allow the government to balance it's own budget instead of allowing union leaders to force them the pay huge amounts of money to teachers as they've already tried to do even while they say they're willing to take cutbacks. I don't argue that huge bonuses are obscene, but so is 100K per year per teacher in a broken system.
@rvgmuhs07 Yep, watched the video. Pure propaganda. Example: Unions don't have the final say. Teachers are not paid a huge amount of $. $51,000/avg in Wisc, is low for a professional and they should have a right to bargain for benefits and healthcare. Corporate America is awash with cash. Record bonuses, stock market is up. CEO salaries,never higher. Why can't they help pay the deficit? Agreed, the system is broken. The top 1% are getting richer. Working people are suffering more every day.
@BNPPeace 100K is a huge amount of money. Our corporate tax rate is the highest in the world so corporations do pay their share. I'm not agreeing with the bailout or CEO bonuses but higher taxes isn't the solution, they only force businesses away. Reducing spending must occur, and 100K is pretty easy the reduce, except when collective bargaining allows unions to stand in the way of the government balancing it's own budget.
@rvgmuhs07 OK, In your world, $100,000/yr, which is really $25,000 in healthcare, retirement, vacation benefits and about $51,000 in cash, before taxes, is a lot of money. In most areas of the US, that is barely enough to comfortably raise a family. Look at Wall Street and you will see where the real money is in the US. It is not in the pockets of our teachers.
@BNPPeace See the second link I posted, the first one doesn't work. the 76K that you believe is the propaganda. It's 100K, as proven by the video of the MPS board itself. Now, please explain your logic of how $billions in tax income will fix $trillions in debt. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that one.
@BNPPeace 1) GE is heavily into "green Energy", and Liberals believe in tax breaks to encourage non profitable energy forms 2) GE Capital is a bank, and is writing off previous, heavy losses from previous years, exceeding profit in year occurred, a legal, logical, common thing) 3) GE refuses to stay in US, and pay 35% taxes, when Canada is 16%, 31 OECD nations avg 24%. Also quite legal and logical. What moron CEO pays 43.8% in Ca, when 31 OECD nations are 24%?? Accept 56 cents, not 76 cents??
@luvcheney1 General Electric paid ZERO taxes in U.S in 2010, because multinational corporations own Congress and the president. Why does Exxon Mobile get huge subsidies and tax credits? Same reason. Why did we bail out the banks and the insurance companies? Same. With corporate rule, we the people, have become the scapegoats and this means that workers have lost wages, benefits, and jobs. Our environment is being destroyed, our infrastructure in decline. The U.S. is looking very 3rd world.
I will not say all the information is incorrect but I can say most is incorrect and misleading. This video appears as unbiased but is truly propaganda. To read or truly learn about the Union issues, good luck to anyone in finding unbiased documents published in the last 20 years. The truth will set us free.
The talk is professionally done, but for factual content it gets a solid "F". Please stop misinforming the public. You can only foul some of the people some of the time.
So it is OK for big business to donate money to politicians. Maybe a big business needs a consensus of it's employees before it donates political contributions. Can you say a double standard?
So it is OK for big business to donate money to politicians. Maybe a big business needs a consensus of it's employees for political contributions. Can you say a double standard?
@Killer13McCoy BIG BUSINESS has consensus of the fucking owners. The money a Corp gets belongs to the owners, not the workers. Now, Unions have a right to to lobby, but the right of the workers to choose to join the union is not respected in most situations. If I dont like a Corps politics, I am not compelled to own stock. If you had 10 cents, you may not invest in NewsCorp either. But, if you want to work at most union jobs, you MUST PAY unions. "Liberty" as an idea escapes you, fuckhead.
There is a reason that Union membership is on the decline. There is no value added for paying dues into a union. As our 2010 census shows the top growth states with one exception (Washington) are Right to Work States and many have little or no state income taxes too.
It is despicable the way public unions work today. They use members dues and member communications to fund and elect friendly politicians who then give our tax money away to the unions who funded their election.
These unions do not represent all of America.Their membership has declined in every sector. They represent a money machine for the Democrat Party.They demand mandatory union dues from public sector employees which not only infringe on the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech Rights of workers but they funnel the money to liberal candidates so they can get higher wages on the backs of the working class & middle class.The ends does not justify the corruption and bullying of the taxpayer & middle class
The real fight is over forcing people to join unions and docking their pay to send it directly to unions. The unions know most people would prefer to NOT join a union, which is why they exert massive pressure on legislators. They want to force all public workers to be in the union, automatically dock their pay, not allow them to opt out. All so they can spend the money on whatever project the union leadership wants, even over the objections of their members.
This is basic 101 and should be a no brainer. Public workers shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.
Those making comments about 40hr work weeks and such are making misleading statements. Public workers are already protected by tons of government regulations. The only thing their unions do is get them cadillac benefits, lower work requirements and their union money goes to electing officials who fatten those benefits further. Complete conflict of interest.
Its official NEWSFLASH: NORTHERN WHITES & BLACKS AGAINST THE southern HISPANICS WHO STOLE OUR JOBS AND tea faggots who paid them cash under the table. New civil war! Yep the American indians agreed just like Bush to let the floodgate open and eat their food, steal their jobs, and rape their homeland. Yea right! American Indians just like good hard working union members would not give up their land or rights without a fight
Germans are known to be conservative here in America when they build anything. Bush loves conservative catholic hispanics as well to bring down wages because of overflooded immigration. Does anyone see a trend anyone? Which group is actually being led into extreme socialism and don't even know it? Who really mimicks Hitler the most? Religious groups put strict policies to force more less socialism secretly on the state and local levels. Sign, signs everywhere is signs forcing change robot
What this also does not say is the other things that collective bargaining also includes work conditions, hours worked, safety adherences, and minimum wage earnings. so now that they lost it they could be working in 110 degree rooms for 16 hours a day for 4 dollars a hour in asbestos filled rooms if the government felt like it.
Funny how non-union employees have no problems with ANY of those things. Collective bargaining doesnt enforce any of those things you claim like hours worked, safety, minimum wage and work conditions. Those are ALL covered in regular Fedreal and State statutes that apply to all workers. None of it is "protected" by collective bargaining. Public sector collective bargaining just gets govt workers extra special priveleges that the rest of us have to pay for, but dont get ourselves.
Propaganda from the Fat Cats who run everything now days. The mega corporations have budgets bigger than many many countries in this world. Who's there to protect the middle class except unions? Even the US government is run by well financed corporate candidates, for the most part. Both major parties are in bed with the Fat Cats, one more than the other obviously, but at least one of them feels a little dirty. Unions - the folks who brought you the 40 hour work week.
Ascribing lower working hours to unions is like ascribing the low cost of your computer to hagglers. While it didn't come about in as centralized a fashion, US workers in most places got the 10-hour and then 8-hour day before most of Europe, despite having a lower union membership. This is because the productivity of each worker was higher as a result of capital investment, and so each worker had more to bargain with. Unions were not the driving force.
Finally, a video that gets it right. Fox news doesn't even say this. They just say pensions this and health care that. Left wing and right wing news sources just dumb down the argument so they can sway dumb Americans. This isn't an attack on the middle class nor are the teachers refusing to pay a little more for pensions and healthcare.
By what we see on the liberal media it is hard to tell that the total of union workers nationally is only a little over 600 thousand. Over half work for the government. Historically, the leadership has been and continues to be so left winged, progressive and generally corrupt that they have become mothing more than a cancer on this country and our economy. I was lucky. I had the right to quit the union and after 13 years I did just that. It is clearly time for them to go.
@justbaseball So that corporate America can take over? No. I think people should have a right to at least bargain to have some sort of say so in the job that they do.
@mjames4040 People do have a say and the right to bargain. They can show character, do a good job and negotiate a fair wage. If they feel shorted they can choose to move on to the next opportunity. No one needs a union for that. Unions are an absolute cancer.
@pineli02 Yeah,but private sector workers pay more for public sector workers benefits percentage wise in Wisconsin than public sector workers do.It is NOT a right when someone else is paying the majority of the cost for your so-called right.
Well I think its very sad that so many repubs think that stripping rights from the teachers is a good idea,....... sure you take that responsiblity on teaching kids other than your own,.....risk your life,.... whats next the fireman and police?????? they have to be educated with degrees hold livea in their hands with trust and we the people ( well the rich and ignorant poor ) think its ok,.....
@RRmedic What rights are you talking about ? Collective Bargaining ?. In my state, we don't have collective bargaining. My kids are in public schools and the teachers are excellent, even without the collective bargaining. Not sure what RIGHTS are you talking about ??
@aeonjoey dude, did you even watch and seek to understand the video? The government in this instance is basically a monopoly. Union leaders are bargaining tax-payer money with politicians, who don't really care how much they spend since it's not technically theirs. The tax payers have no say in this at all and the state has insurmountable costs to pay for pensions, benefits, etc for public employees since union leaders want more. These employees already get well above normal wages and benefits.
I'm going to throw up, this is DISGUSTING. undemocratic, can't hire 'competing' workers. give me a break, frame it however you want. Unions are BY THE WORKFORCE FOR THE WORKFORCE. The only people who don't want unions are corporations trying to degrade work conditions, which is WHY unions formed in the first place. Unions exist in every westernized society and are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT so that there is no abuse of workers. Anyone who agrees with this ad should be ashamed.
@aeonjoey the Goverment does more to protect workerrs then so called Unons, FDR was aganist Public Sector unions having these so called rights, the Middle clas is being squeed with Higher TAxes and having to pay for Pentions they themslves don't have but Public Sector Union Members dol
@killerbandit What political party would I want to register with if I wanted politicians to represent people and not corporations or unions? If the corporatists have the Republican party and we know damned well the Unions have the Dumbocrats who should I vote for?
Turning "power to the people" is how all this started in the first place.This is why our founding fathers didn't want a democracy. They didn't want the voters to be able to vote themselves other people's money.
This isn't too one sided saying union leaders donate to politicians and send it straight back to union. Corporations donate to GOP leaders and they send it straight back to them.
Ha! These tea party circle jerks crack me up. These so called "representatives" just committed political suicide. This is not democracy. You are mistaken if you think this video convinces anyone to follow your agenda; especially anyone with an IQ above 5. If you actually research the issue of collective bargaining it becomes obvious that this video is one blatant lie after another. Instead you'll attack me to confirm your bias and I could care less.
The Democrats who ran are now saying they're coming back [unknown when], but at this point who cares? They're claiming "we're coming back to support the people", yeah like when they ran away not doing anything at all? Even if they come back now, the law is being voted in the Assembly Thursday morning [tomorrow], so either here nor there, the democrats/unions already lost.
We should eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA, institute a poll tax for the people who are too stupid to have money, and make it so that people don't have to be treated at ERs. If possible, I would be for more tax breaks for companies that offshore American workers. I stand with Heritage Foundation for a better America, and anyone that disagrees with what I want to cut is a RINO!!!!
And as Walker came in and gave tax cuts to corporations he cut almost exactly the same amount from the middle class, sorry Heritage, but you are liars, trying to destroy the middle class, to give more to the rich!!! Walker grew the deficit by giving tax cuts to corporations. Then he said it was the unions fault. By the way it was the onset of unions that helped create the first substantial middle class!
"A minimum wage job means living at the poverty line, wot wot?!"
-Someone who watches too much TV.
The fake outrage about "welfare" and "generous" benefits beguiles the simple fact that many, many American WORKERS (not sponges) must have food stamps to survive because their private sector job doesn't pay enough.
Try living on $900 a month when food, housing, and transportation is this expensive.
@Turtleproof A minimum wage job is for students still living with mommy.
Any adult with a high school diploma, the ability to pass a drug test, the initiative to become efficient enough to actually be WORTH what he's getting paid makes more than the minimum wage. The rest are losers and deserve no sympathy.
You continue to avoid providing any sources or statistics. Hint: that means a number. "...many, many..." is not a number. Sounds like bullshit.
@theaznfishy Two degrees, clean record, clean job history, and I actually show up for work on time. Literally 300 out of 302 applications go completely unanswered.
Welcome to the Bush-Reagan economy. They like what they see in China and want to import that labor schema here.
@mjames4040 How many is "many"? What have they done to prepare themselves to be of any more value?
Are you prepared to pay $7 for a Big Mac just so somebody with no initiative can be paid more than what they're worth?
The "job crisis" is due to buying chinese goods. That's the fault of the consumer. It's also due to pissing away "stimulus" money on bloated bureaucracies.
@MrStrictlyStock Are you saying that teachers arent worth the amount of money they make? They are the ones who make it possible for children to be successful in the future. And the jobs crisis is due to the recession we just had.
@mjames4040 Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee. And they want to milk it even more. Since 1964, SAT scores have gone down and down. Most high school graduates are woefully inadequate in the basics.
How anyone can say that more than a rare few teachers earn a fraction of their keep is beyond comprehension. Successful children? Yeah, sure.
Recession we just "had"? You really think it's over? Too many people with useless liberal arts degrees is a crisis.
@MrStrictlyStock How can you blame the teachers for the declining rate of education? Education has dropped due to poor funding. And what statistics you have that high school graduates are "woefully inadequate in the basics"?
You said that "Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee". There is a difference between the public and the private sector. And that shouldnt hinder the pay of teachers.
@mjames4040 At least you acknowledge that the educational "product" is dropping. Money has proven to NOT be the answer. As Pres. Reagan said, every year more and more money has been thrown in the rathole of government schools. And every year the SAT scores have gone DOWN. Poor funding, yeah; checked your property taxes lately?
My daily experience shows me that these "graduates" can't add or work with fractions or ratios. They can't compose what used to be considered Middle School papers.
@MrStrictlyStock How can you blame the teachers for the declining rate of education? Education has dropped due to poor funding. And what statistics you have that high school graduates are "woefully inadequate in the basics"?
You said that "Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee". There is a difference between the public and the private sector. And that shouldnt hinder the pay of teachers.
@mjames4040 Today's graduates haven't a clue about geography nor their own elected officials. They have not an inkling what is in the Constitution. Try interviewing a few.
The "public sector" should not be able to hold the people hostage. Eliminate tenure, and voters will elect school boards who will fire the slackers and reward the producers. Eliminate social tinkering indoctrinations and there will be time for that which produces a citizen with at least the basics for real world survival.
@MrStrictlyStock There is something called a constitiution test, so I would think they would know something. And tenure is something that is not part of collective bargaining if I am not mistaken.
@MrStrictlyStock Do you not have eyes to see the white hair of the people who serve you food, the cashiers, the maids, the lawnmowers, all the minimum wage jobs. The average age at my last three jobs was around 45 years old, comprised of people with multiple degrees ranging in age from 20 to 55.
@Turtleproof My, you have a flair for the dramatic! Nobody serves me food - I can't afford that luxury. But if you think a good waitress is not making 2-3 times her salary in tips, you need to get a reality check. The ones not getting tips are getting what they're worth - the customer knows the difference betwixt producers and slackers.
Mowing lawns for hire used to be for high school kids. And now some schmuck wants to make a living at it?
@MrStrictlyStock You get served every single day by common laborers, who work for minimum wage full time trying to provide for their families.
What fantasy land do you live in where these people are well paid.
If you can't afford to get served a burger at McDonald's then its time for you to stop treating your fellow workers with disdain and get angry at the corporatist takeover of the nation. Are you a slacker because you can't afford fast food?
@Turtleproof I don't get served at fast food joints. Try sitting down at one and waiting for your order to be taken.
Nobody subsidizes me, hence I make a "livable wage".
I'm not mad at slackers unless they want some of what I earned.
What you fail to understand is that union contracts are pegged to the minimum wage. It goes up, they gobble some more. Not long later, that inflationary cycle works it's course and the drone at the bottom is even further behind and the union guy fatter.
@MrStrictlyStock It's amazing that you're mad at the "union guy" for "getting fatter" when it's people like you and I that are getting reamed by private industry. In the United States, private businesses pay so little to their workers that they are dependent on government aid to stay alive. Minimum wage is death without food stamps, heating assistance, housing credits, and others. The government is what keeps us alive when private industry gets fat off our labor.
@Turtleproof only a slacker couldn't afford anything better than fast food? Is a moderate to low income person who does not support labor unions a traitor to other non wealthy people? Do you belong to a labor union?
"According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages."
@Turtleproof Try thinking about what you just quoted. It is a definition of the floor, not the average.
If you think a competent waitress only makes that much, you are far removed from reality.
If I think the UAW causes a Chevy to cast too much, I can buy an American made Nissan. I don't have that luxury with government. If the greedy parasites want more than I make, I'm stuck.
An obvious schmuck with an agenda to allow parasites to bleed taxpayers.
@MrStrictlyStock You could always let Cass Sunstein, Obama's regulatory czar, choose your vehicle for you. After all he believes he knows whats best for you better than you do. Good old Cass, PrezBO, George Sorros and all the union cronies all under the same roof they'd love to have you for one big jolly Pinko picknick where all the government cheese, Obama Koolaid, borscht, goulash, pickled eggs and you could win a Government Motors Product for your troubles! Dont forget bullshit for desert!
Watch the video on here by your conservative hero RONALD REGAN say that without Unions and Collective Bargaining, there is no freedom. Put in Ronald Regan Collective Bargaining Freedom
sonixelectronix 3 weeks ago
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This is by far the biggest LIE and SPIN video on youtube I have ever seen. Basically nothing in this video is correct.
sonixelectronix 3 weeks ago
I voted yes for issue 2 in Ohio to uphold sb5, which will limit public sector unions. Enough is enough.
EconCat88 4 months ago 6
this seems like some backhanded socialist communism bullshit if i've ever seen it.
emlerat 5 months ago
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I live in WI. an the Democrats an Unions are acting like a bunch of 2 year old children. Someone has to pay for what they all want an they (Unions an/or Democrats) are not even willing to pay for what they are getting. They want to get more an then push it off onto the Tax Paying Public, (young, old, rich an poor) so they can live like kings while the rest of the people starve in their own homes. Isn't it bad enough to have Obama in the White House why do we need more of the same thing in WI.
uvwak 7 months ago
I live in WI. an the Democrats an Unions are acting like a bunch of 2 year old children. Someone has to pay for what they all want an they (Unions an/or Democrats) are not even willing to pay for what they are getting. They want to get more an then push it off onto the Tax Paying Public, (young, old, rich an poor) so they can live like kings while the rest of the people starve in their own homes. Isn't it bad enough to have Obama in the White House, why do we need more of the same thing in WI
uvwak 7 months ago
i hate public sector unions. their services are abysmal and they still demand lavish benefits that the private sector pays for through taxes.
lvll138inrs 8 months ago 2
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Walker has turned me from a suburban moderate to a supporter of German-style socialism. Universal health care, free college education for Wisconsin children, trade unions. I already pay 40% in taxes, what's another 5%? Screw the corporate agenda. They don't care about us.
pollclaire 8 months ago
This video was created by the right-wing Heritage Foundation. Corporate propaganda. The video says Private Unions have declined since the 1980s. I wonder why? Reaganomics. Reagan shipped American jobs abroad. Reagan gave private companies incentives to ship jobs abroad with huge tax-cuts/breaks and no tariffs on imports. Reagan was a union buster. Public Unions are currently at a higher rate now because you can't ship government jobs abroad - govt. looks out for the public good. Simple as that.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez Capital flows where the return on it is greatest. Simple as that. If outsourcing is something you dont like, then support policies that increase the return on Capital IN the US. Libs support policies that create lower returns on Capital. Higher Corp taxes, more regulations and environmental costs, difficulty in permits, etc. REMOVING impediments to business is how jobs are kept. Texas has 37% of all new jobs, with only 7% of the population. Low taxes, less regulation.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 -- You agree then that Reaganomics began the dismantle of private unions. At least you're owning up to it. Corporates taxes are currently at 7%, Capital gains tax is at 15% and the Federal Income tax at 35%. Under Republican President Dwight Eisenhower Corporate taxes were at 35%, Capital gains tax at 30% and the Federal Income tax at 91%. Wasn't the 50s America's Golden Age? Keep in mind America had to pay more WW2 debt than it currently has to for the ongoing 3 wars.
Djmemez 8 months ago
Addendum: regulations had been a part of the US economy from the 40s up until 1979. Regulation keeps Wall Street in check. Keeps the Banks in check. Keeps Oil and Gas companies in check. Regulations help fight Corporate fraud, abuse, corruption and the like. Federal/State regulations help the public, you know that? If there were less regulations would be like China/Mexico - i.e., living in heavy smoke-filled air, wastelands and pollution. Big Business needs to adapt, not the other way.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez Sure, Govt regulators of Wall Street, and banking, oil companies really had things running like a top? Impressed by the Federal Govt, the Federal Reserve? I am not. I am impressed by Gold. The Govt, and the Federal Reserve can go fuck themselves. I am 59, and never financed a car in my whole life. My Daddy born in 1900, rejected debt as well. You go beg for crumbs, I enjoyed watching banking system fail, I profited. It isnt over, they print $ to keep collapse away. Great! For Gold, me.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 - President Reagan along with his cronies deregulated the: banking industry, Wall Street, Oil companies, switched the US to credit rather than money et al. Also known as "reaganomics". This supply-side economics isn't working, hasn't worked. It fact, it has slowly but surely destroyed this nation. The Federal Reserve is independent from the government, it's privately-owned. I am sure it gets some public money either forcefully or generously.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez World competition is dismantling unions. Fact is, US consumers reject high prices. Taxes received BY the Federal Govt during the 1950`s were 17.3% of GDP. During the Bush term, they were 17.4% Pretty funny how a 91% tax rate gives same % of economy to Govt as a 35% rate. Why? YOU actually think the rich will not react, will not make the changes necessary to avoid stupid rates. John Lennon got shot, because the Brits wanted to tax all his money, so he got his ass killed over it.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 - Emerging markets? Yes. Cheap labor. However, who courted China in the 80s? Reagan. US consumers if they knew that a small business is hurt financially by purchasing at Wall-Mart would try to spend more money at the mom & pop shop than at Wall-Mart. The same thing applies with private union products are being outcompeted by cheaper wages/prices -- the thing that many people forget is that they are essentially lowering their standard of living at the expense of cheaper products.
Djmemez 8 months ago
Germany is an ideal example of how it creates its high-priced union made goods, sells them to emerging markets, US and other states in the European Union. Unions in Europe vary from 10%-30%, Canada's unions are at 30%. And so on. So, private unions are being crushed is because the US govt. has favored big businesses over unions since the 1980s. In the 90s the US had NAFTA crafted. Ilegal immigrants are cheap labor for big businesses. I wonder why won't Republican fight for them^ and business?
Djmemez 8 months ago
91% tax rate does NOT yield the same as 35%. Your logic is seriously faulty. Taxes regarding the GDP were higher in the 1950s. You're delusional. Republican President Dwight Eisenhower was very progressive. He spent money like crazy on the: interstate highway, G.I. bill, public works and highly favored unionization. He also said that any party which advocated the elimination/dismantling of social programs were "stupid and negligible" - still rings truth today regarding the American people.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez Google "Office of Management and Budget Table 2.3", and then look up 1950-1959, and 2001-2008, and average together TOTAL Revenue, as % of GDP for each corresponding period. I assume you already know the 50`s had top rates for personal of about 90%, corp rate of 51%, and both were 35% under Bush? You "assume" rich, and Corporations will cooperate. Rich folks reorganize, Corporation just fucking leave the US, for better places. Calif = 43.8% tax, Canada = 16%. China = 20% OECD =24%
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 - The Corporate tax is currently at 7%, under GWB it was around the same level 7-9% percentile. The wealthy and corporations do cooperate in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. etc. What make US any different? Corporations and the rich paid higher (prior to the 80s) taxes in the US. Corporations have been leaving since the 70s, Reagan furthered this process in the 80s with tax-break/cuts incentives and no tariffs on importation of goods.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 - I checked the GPOacess site about the GDP and its calculation is wrong. I went directly to the WhiteHouse and got different (tweaked) numbers. I also went to the taxfoundation site. The rich nowadays pay almost the same as somebody making less than $380,000. Ironically, the 1920s-1929 the tax rate was at 25% currently what the 112th GOP House of Representatives is striving to do. The failed conservative policies of the 1920s isn't what America needs or wants.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez Corp taxes are not at 7%. You are stating some statistic on an "effective" rate, which is pretending taxes on corp income earned, and kept, out of the US, and Corp income earned outside, and given a credit on taxes paid overseas against our own 35% rate when returned. The very REASON corp tax returns ARE LOW, is because most everywhere else on fucking Earth has lower rates than the US, and why pay fed and state rate of 43.8% in Ca, when 24% is avg of 31 OECD nations? CEO`s arent stupid.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
Some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied. The paradox of the United States tax code — high rates with a bounty of subsidies, shelters and special breaks — has made American multinationals world leaders in tax avoidance.
Djmemez 8 months ago
And this is according to: gao.gov/new.items/d08957
Djmemez 8 months ago
@Djmemez US Corps pay little taxes for a simple reason. They take profits out of the US. They have fled, stupid. 80% of all tax credits are the foreign tax credit. Then, some dumbass Lib figures a "what if" they paid on TOTAL income! That is where low percent taxes (actual, not statutory, come from). "What if" they HAD NOT FLED. There is a reason to flee, far lower statutory rates nearly ANYWHERE else.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@Djmemez Corp tax avoidance is quite simple. Calif has a 43.8% corp rate (Fed 35% plus State 8.8%). Outsource, leave the US and pay 16% in Canada, or in 31 OECD nations pay just 24%. But then after a corp has left, a LIb will average out the zero a corp pays that is gone, with 35% of corp that is still here, and say they average only 15%. Get it, stupid?
luvcheney1 8 months ago
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Djmemez 8 months ago
maciverinstitute. com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
Bordering on comedy, this is a pathetic attempt to make public labor unions into scapegoats, while rewriting history. (Glenn Beck saying it, doesn't make it true.) For example, Pres.Roosevelt was in favor of collective bargaining. He signed: The National Industrial Recovery Act Of 1933, Guaranteed Collective Bargaining Rights For Unions. Also, public labor unions do not have the last say in labor negotiations. Public Unions are not the problem, corporate control of news media and Congress, is.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
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BNPPeace 9 months ago
If you want to be like TX vote Republican, if you want to be like Detroit vote Democrat
Wildkkat1 9 months ago
This 'helpful primer on the rise of government unions' is largely based on counterfactual arguments.
pollclaire 10 months ago
1:06 I LOLED.
JonnyPxN 10 months ago
We are not broke. The Heritage Foundation produced this, and several other propaganda flicks, with the intent of encouraging working people to blame teachers, the fire fighters and the police force for state's budget problems. Gov Walker caused the shortage of funds this situation by forcing tax cuts. The real root of the problem is that the corporations and the richest of Americans don't pay their fair share of taxes. We have been robbed by Governor Walker and the Heritage Foundation.
BNPPeace 10 months ago
@BNPPeace False. In the United States today, every American, yes EVERY American, including the wealthiest among us, could be taxed 100% and we'd still be in a deficit. The issue is not taxes, it's spending. Keep in mind that the wealthiest Americans pay over 50% of all income taxes that are collected. Also, Walker entered a situation that was already desperate. Claiming that he caused the deficit is like claiming that Obama started the war in Iraq.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
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BNPPeace 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 General Electric paid no taxes in 2009. If they did, would this make a dent in the deficit? Absolutely. We don't need to balance the budget on the back of our kid's teachers. GE which had an affective tax rate of 5.5% in 2008 and 2007 15% while the Corporate rate is supposed to be 35%. How did they get away with free loading? Walker's goal is to break the Unions. This will not resolve the deficit, only drive down the wages of all working Americans. How UN-American is that?
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace I'll take you word that GE paid no taxes in 2009 but if you think that would make a dent in the deficit you are kidding yourself. Have you SEEN the size of the deficit lately? "We don't need to balance the budget on the back of our kid's teachers." Umm, I'm sorry, but when salary and benefits amount to 100K for a single teacher that's BS. Get to retire at 55, pay a fraction of there own benefits even compared to teachers in other states. Get real
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 It's not just GE, look at Bank of American, Exxon Mobil and other mega corporations. Teachers average $51,000 salary, $25,000 in benefits, with an MS degree. Without teachers, Johnny does not learn to read. Is that not an important job? Goldman Sachs CEO was paid over $18.6m last year and that was after we bailed them out, with tax payer money. Where is your outrage over that? Get real... A balanced budget would require corporations to pay their fair share of taxes to the IRS.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace The higher taxes are raised on corporations, the less money they have to hire workers, and the less people have jobs. Also, higher taxes mean corporations are more likely to move elsewhere. The US has one of THE highest corporate tax rates in the world and you wonder why companies are moving overseas? BTW, I didn't like the bailouts. Yes, teaching is important. That is my prospective career believe it or not, but why should they get such higher compensation than anyone else?
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 Do you see jobs being created, with the record profits now being made by Exon Mobil, Goldman Sachs, etc.? Corporations can afford to pay taxes, especially oil companies, banks, insurance companies. They are taking the money and giving themselves bonuses, and pay raises, not creating additional jobs. A reasonable level of taxation for all ensures, good schools, roads, public health, parks etc. Compared to other professions requiring higher education, teachers make less.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace Bottom line is raising taxes sends companies elsewhere and the deficit is far too big to be fixed by higher taxes anyway. Also, the compensation for MPS teachers is approximately 100K.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 The deficit is not too big to fix with a more equitable tax rate. Why do you think taking away teacher's right to collective bargaining can fix the deficit, if closing corporate tax holes can't? Good luck teaching. I hope you will get your news from multiple sources and not just FOX News and Bill O"Reilly etc.. You will probably one day wish that you and your fellow teachers could negotiate (collective bargaining) a contract for a living wage, health care and a retirement check.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace Collective bargaining at best is unnecessary. That is what labor laws are for. At worst, they allow unions to counter every move the government makes to attempt to manage their own budget, which has already happened within the last few months. FYI, I rarely pay attention to FOX and I never pay attention to Bill O'Reilly. Now, you say that, "The deficit is not too big to fix with a more equitable tax rate." What statistic do you base that fallacious claim on?
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
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BNPPeace 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 Collective bargaining is democracy.It's co-workers negotiating as a group, instead of individually, with employers for an agreement on pay, hours and other working conditions. Without this right, workers will suffer loss of benefits and pay. Labor laws were passes as the result of union organizing and pressure on government. You are very biased against workers and unions, and very pro corporation. Walker initially cut taxes on the rich, creating the budget crisis.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace See now you are just going in circles and saying the same incorrect stuff over again. "Walker initially cut taxes on the rich, creating the budget crisis." Umm, no, the budget was in crisis well before he even ran, that's why he was elected. Yes, unions established labor laws, but now that labor laws exist, union are obsolete at best, and abusive at worst. It's no longer about fair wages, it's about obscene benefits coming out of taxpayer income.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 Ending collective bargaining will save how much $? $20 billion/year could be gained from closing tax loop holes for big oil alone. Collective Bargaining rights were created by labor law and because corporate power is so strong, now being eliminated. While corporations make record profits in the billions, record numbers of working people have lost jobs, housing, healthcare. Obscene:Goldman Sachs gave out $16.2 billion in bonuses in 2010, averaging $500,000 to each employee.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
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rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@BNPPeace $20 billion a year would fix the deficit if the deficit was $20 billion. It's not, the deficit is several trillion dollars.That's basic math. Get it through your head that spending is the problem and increasing taxes wouldn't do jack.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 Basic math. To have a balanced budget, money coming in to IRS must = money going out. US needs something like $4trillion to balance the budget. Big oil, big banks, etc have mega loop holes and tax breaks and closing these would bring in billions, a lot of $. But that is not even up for discussion. Get through your head that this video is propaganda, and not based on fact. For example: Roosevelt was in favor of, and signed collective bargaining legislation. Look it up.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace Yes, income must = expenses. Logic would make obvious that billions coming in does not = trillions going out. Roosevelt signed collective bargaining for the private sector, but opposed it for the public sector. Look it up. I also take it that you do not wish to refute my explanation for why collective bargaining should be eliminated?
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 So, with your basic math, ending the rights of public unions will solve the $4trillion problem? Refute, yes! Public Union leaders do not force anything on the government, they negotiate a fair contract. $51,000/yr, is barely a living wage. Teacher education cost up to $50,000/yr. I have spelled out where I think the $ could come from to balance the budget. Corporate America is awash in cash. They don't pay their fair share. How about ending one of the 3, trillions dollar wars?
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace I didn't say that, but it is a necessary step so the government can balance it's own budget without interference. How do you claim that collective bargaining is a right? It is not in the constitution, therefore it is a priveledge, and one that has been abused. Yes, you've spelled out where you think the $ can come fro without explaining how $billions in taxes will pay for $trillions in debt. Finally, MPS teacher compensation is 100K per year, no less.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 I said collective bargaining was part of labor law that was passed to protect workers rights. It, and other labor laws are now being eliminated, due to corporate power.Corporations(e.g. Koch brothers) make more profits when they drive down pay & benefits of workers. How has collective bargaining been abused? Bargaining is part of getting a fair deal for both parties. Now corporate tax loop holes, that is interference. Where do you think Exxon Mobil and Bank of America are going?
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace Collective Bargaining is a law that is obsolete due to other labor laws. You seriously don't believe that unions have abused collective bargaining? It happens all the time! Even after the budget was proposed in Wisconsin, unions attempted to use it in order to renegotiate the same 100K in salary and benefits even though they claimed that they were willing to take some cutbacks because of the deficit. Also, average teacher pay is more than any other milwaukee job. That's not abusive?
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 I don't know where you get your information, but it is tainted, with corporate greed. I am ending this conversation. Good luck to you. Bye
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace Haha corporate greed. That's funny since I'm a student studying to be a teacher. I provided you with links to my info, you on the other hand, can't even explain how you think that $billions will pay for $trillions of debt. I agree with ending the conversation, since it keeps going in circles.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07
Niether was slavery or segregation nor the so called "patriot act".
If you buy into this corporate propaganda that America is bankrupt because of Unions then you really need a reality check.
America is awash with cash but it's in the hands of powerful bankers and industrialists.
kingmafi6699 9 months ago
@kingmafi6699 I never said that unions are the reason that America is bankrupt. Honestly, read through the whole argument. If you think that the "powerful bankers and industrialists" have enough cash to pay off all of America's debt, then you are the one who needs a reality check. Again, read through the whole argument. The real problems are the insane amount of taxes on corporations which force them to move jobs elsewhere and the abandonment of the gold standard by Nixon.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07
Don't believe the capitalist propaganda.
Capitalism is a debt based system.
Corporations made more money from this economic crisis than ever. They only have a collective self interest towards profit. In fact they could "Move back" jobs and still have enough. They made money by consolidating more wealth in their hands.
As for you gold standard argument, It was abandoned to allow credit expansion but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
kingmafi6699 9 months ago
@kingmafi6699 The S&P500 represents 500 large corporations. Look up the PE Ratio of the S&P500. That is Price/ Earnings Ratio, or return on investment. It is 22.47 today, which means $22.47 invested for a year returns $1. That is just 4.45% return, hardly excessive! Gold cant be printed by Federal Reserve, so it stops phony money creation, and debt creation. It is discipline to avoid the bubbles in assets like the DotCom in Clinton, housing in Bush term. These bubbles form from Fed credit.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1
The exccesses are not the corporate earning itself but rather the capitalist who runs them.
They exploit people, give themselves huge payouts and run their companies down the tube.
The problem lies beyond money creation. It is an issue of class and capitalism itself.
kingmafi6699 8 months ago
@kingmafi6699 Please notice the lack of specifics. Your reply is limited to vague, general belief. Here is a specific, replying to CEO "huge payouts". William McGuire, CEO of United Health (largest insurer) made $124 million 2005. $10 mill of that was wage/benefit/fringe, the rest stock/options. Stock/options are GIVEN by shareholders ( owners), giving a share of ownership, at THEIR cost, out of THEIR pockets. United earns $70 bill, so CEO cost insured .00014 of fee, 7 cents per $500 policy.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1
I look at it from a high level systemic view rather than individual parts.
The source of all profit is through the exploitation of workers.
The greater the profits the greater the exploitation.
Yes some CEO's may have different income streams but at the root of it all it is not through their own labor but through the extraction of surplus value. Especially third world labor.
kingmafi6699 8 months ago
@kingmafi6699 3rd world labor is no different than US labor was, during industrial development. "Exploitation" of labor, at low pay, enabled growth of industry, growing employment that began soaking up the surplus of low wage agricultural workers. Eventually, in US, and currently in China, the glut (surplus) of workers begins to decline, and wages/ benefits rise, as industry has NO CHOICE, to attract labor. Chinese, exploited labor much richer, today, than 40 yrs ago. Libs prefer poverty.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1
All it did was create a class of landless industrial serfs.
Under capitalism wages have no reason to rise. The more the wages rise te less profit a capitalist has. The more the capitalist has the more impoverished the working class.
There is no surplus of labor either rather their is scarcity of resources and concentration of "private property" in the hands of the few which means the masses ultimately have no real choice as they must sell their labor power to a capitalist.
kingmafi6699 8 months ago
@kingmafi6699 "Under capitalism wages have no reason to rise". You think present standard of living is same as it was in 1900? Chinese standard of living the same as before the freeing up of the economy in late 1970`s? Why are the vast majority of USA workers earning more than minimum wages in private sector, when only 7% of sector is union? Hiring labor in sweatshops reduces supply of labor, while increasing demand. Hi profit makes MORE demand for labor, greedy capitalist build more factories.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@kingmafi6699 - Well said.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 -- Chinese workers are already demanding higher wages and benefits. It looks like American corporations will be coerced to raise Chinese worker's income or be penalized by the authoritarian state of China. Con-servatives prefer social-darwinism.
Djmemez 8 months ago
@BNPPeace investmentwatchblog. com/report-average-city-teacher-salary-tops-100000/
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
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@BNPPeace Did you even watch this video? Collective Bargaining in itself won't directly save money, but it will allow the government to balance it's own budget instead of allowing union leaders to force them the pay huge amounts of money to teachers as they've already tried to do even while they say they're willing to take cutbacks. I don't argue that huge bonuses are obscene, but so is 100K per year per teacher in a broken system.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 Yep, watched the video. Pure propaganda. Example: Unions don't have the final say. Teachers are not paid a huge amount of $. $51,000/avg in Wisc, is low for a professional and they should have a right to bargain for benefits and healthcare. Corporate America is awash with cash. Record bonuses, stock market is up. CEO salaries,never higher. Why can't they help pay the deficit? Agreed, the system is broken. The top 1% are getting richer. Working people are suffering more every day.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace 100K is a huge amount of money. Our corporate tax rate is the highest in the world so corporations do pay their share. I'm not agreeing with the bailout or CEO bonuses but higher taxes isn't the solution, they only force businesses away. Reducing spending must occur, and 100K is pretty easy the reduce, except when collective bargaining allows unions to stand in the way of the government balancing it's own budget.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
@rvgmuhs07 OK, In your world, $100,000/yr, which is really $25,000 in healthcare, retirement, vacation benefits and about $51,000 in cash, before taxes, is a lot of money. In most areas of the US, that is barely enough to comfortably raise a family. Look at Wall Street and you will see where the real money is in the US. It is not in the pockets of our teachers.
BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace See the second link I posted, the first one doesn't work. the 76K that you believe is the propaganda. It's 100K, as proven by the video of the MPS board itself. Now, please explain your logic of how $billions in tax income will fix $trillions in debt. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that one.
rvgmuhs07 9 months ago
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BNPPeace 9 months ago
@BNPPeace 1) GE is heavily into "green Energy", and Liberals believe in tax breaks to encourage non profitable energy forms 2) GE Capital is a bank, and is writing off previous, heavy losses from previous years, exceeding profit in year occurred, a legal, logical, common thing) 3) GE refuses to stay in US, and pay 35% taxes, when Canada is 16%, 31 OECD nations avg 24%. Also quite legal and logical. What moron CEO pays 43.8% in Ca, when 31 OECD nations are 24%?? Accept 56 cents, not 76 cents??
luvcheney1 8 months ago
@luvcheney1 General Electric paid ZERO taxes in U.S in 2010, because multinational corporations own Congress and the president. Why does Exxon Mobile get huge subsidies and tax credits? Same reason. Why did we bail out the banks and the insurance companies? Same. With corporate rule, we the people, have become the scapegoats and this means that workers have lost wages, benefits, and jobs. Our environment is being destroyed, our infrastructure in decline. The U.S. is looking very 3rd world.
BNPPeace 8 months ago
I will not say all the information is incorrect but I can say most is incorrect and misleading. This video appears as unbiased but is truly propaganda. To read or truly learn about the Union issues, good luck to anyone in finding unbiased documents published in the last 20 years. The truth will set us free.
jbatt1234 10 months ago
The talk is professionally done, but for factual content it gets a solid "F". Please stop misinforming the public. You can only foul some of the people some of the time.
jbatt1234 10 months ago
@jbatt1234 Okay, well what's wrong with the facts in this video then?
Pexterable 10 months ago
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So it is OK for big business to donate money to politicians. Maybe a big business needs a consensus of it's employees before it donates political contributions. Can you say a double standard?
Killer13McCoy 10 months ago
So it is OK for big business to donate money to politicians. Maybe a big business needs a consensus of it's employees for political contributions. Can you say a double standard?
Killer13McCoy 10 months ago
@Killer13McCoy Its not TAXPAYERS money you moron.
UCSDEngineerDoctor 10 months ago
@Killer13McCoy BIG BUSINESS has consensus of the fucking owners. The money a Corp gets belongs to the owners, not the workers. Now, Unions have a right to to lobby, but the right of the workers to choose to join the union is not respected in most situations. If I dont like a Corps politics, I am not compelled to own stock. If you had 10 cents, you may not invest in NewsCorp either. But, if you want to work at most union jobs, you MUST PAY unions. "Liberty" as an idea escapes you, fuckhead.
luvcheney1 8 months ago
I really like the line: "Wisconsin seeks to restore (worker rights) by giving state employees the choice on whether they want to pay union dues."
nmuchess 11 months ago
There is a reason that Union membership is on the decline. There is no value added for paying dues into a union. As our 2010 census shows the top growth states with one exception (Washington) are Right to Work States and many have little or no state income taxes too.
It is despicable the way public unions work today. They use members dues and member communications to fund and elect friendly politicians who then give our tax money away to the unions who funded their election.
briantelesh 11 months ago
@briantelesh It's called Money Laundering. And the Democrat Party in conjunction with the union thugs have refined it to a well oiled machine.
MrStrictlyStock 10 months ago
These unions do not represent all of America.Their membership has declined in every sector. They represent a money machine for the Democrat Party.They demand mandatory union dues from public sector employees which not only infringe on the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech Rights of workers but they funnel the money to liberal candidates so they can get higher wages on the backs of the working class & middle class.The ends does not justify the corruption and bullying of the taxpayer & middle class
BlackRepublican2010 11 months ago
The real fight is over forcing people to join unions and docking their pay to send it directly to unions. The unions know most people would prefer to NOT join a union, which is why they exert massive pressure on legislators. They want to force all public workers to be in the union, automatically dock their pay, not allow them to opt out. All so they can spend the money on whatever project the union leadership wants, even over the objections of their members.
dhcruiser 11 months ago
This is basic 101 and should be a no brainer. Public workers shouldn't be able to collectively bargain.
Those making comments about 40hr work weeks and such are making misleading statements. Public workers are already protected by tons of government regulations. The only thing their unions do is get them cadillac benefits, lower work requirements and their union money goes to electing officials who fatten those benefits further. Complete conflict of interest.
dhcruiser 11 months ago
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Its official NEWSFLASH: NORTHERN WHITES & BLACKS AGAINST THE southern HISPANICS WHO STOLE OUR JOBS AND tea faggots who paid them cash under the table. New civil war! Yep the American indians agreed just like Bush to let the floodgate open and eat their food, steal their jobs, and rape their homeland. Yea right! American Indians just like good hard working union members would not give up their land or rights without a fight
seventhdayfreedom13 11 months ago
Germans are known to be conservative here in America when they build anything. Bush loves conservative catholic hispanics as well to bring down wages because of overflooded immigration. Does anyone see a trend anyone? Which group is actually being led into extreme socialism and don't even know it? Who really mimicks Hitler the most? Religious groups put strict policies to force more less socialism secretly on the state and local levels. Sign, signs everywhere is signs forcing change robot
seventhdayfreedom13 11 months ago
What this also does not say is the other things that collective bargaining also includes work conditions, hours worked, safety adherences, and minimum wage earnings. so now that they lost it they could be working in 110 degree rooms for 16 hours a day for 4 dollars a hour in asbestos filled rooms if the government felt like it.
mikabass 11 months ago
@mikabass
Funny how non-union employees have no problems with ANY of those things. Collective bargaining doesnt enforce any of those things you claim like hours worked, safety, minimum wage and work conditions. Those are ALL covered in regular Fedreal and State statutes that apply to all workers. None of it is "protected" by collective bargaining. Public sector collective bargaining just gets govt workers extra special priveleges that the rest of us have to pay for, but dont get ourselves.
jwhat01 11 months ago 2
Great video. Thanks for making and posting.
RestoreConstitution8 11 months ago
Hit the wrong button. The bosses granted the 40 hour week due to the increases bargaing power
Soter1291 11 months ago
So fringe, your thesis is that the bosses granted or allowedthe 40 hr we
Soter1291 11 months ago
Propaganda from the Fat Cats who run everything now days. The mega corporations have budgets bigger than many many countries in this world. Who's there to protect the middle class except unions? Even the US government is run by well financed corporate candidates, for the most part. Both major parties are in bed with the Fat Cats, one more than the other obviously, but at least one of them feels a little dirty. Unions - the folks who brought you the 40 hour work week.
Soter1291 11 months ago 2
Ascribing lower working hours to unions is like ascribing the low cost of your computer to hagglers. While it didn't come about in as centralized a fashion, US workers in most places got the 10-hour and then 8-hour day before most of Europe, despite having a lower union membership. This is because the productivity of each worker was higher as a result of capital investment, and so each worker had more to bargain with. Unions were not the driving force.
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fringeelements 11 months ago
I like the colored lady, "Where is the money".
ExtremePeppers 11 months ago 2
Finally, a video that gets it right. Fox news doesn't even say this. They just say pensions this and health care that. Left wing and right wing news sources just dumb down the argument so they can sway dumb Americans. This isn't an attack on the middle class nor are the teachers refusing to pay a little more for pensions and healthcare.
SSGurgs 11 months ago 7
By what we see on the liberal media it is hard to tell that the total of union workers nationally is only a little over 600 thousand. Over half work for the government. Historically, the leadership has been and continues to be so left winged, progressive and generally corrupt that they have become mothing more than a cancer on this country and our economy. I was lucky. I had the right to quit the union and after 13 years I did just that. It is clearly time for them to go.
justbaseball 11 months ago 7
@justbaseball So that corporate America can take over? No. I think people should have a right to at least bargain to have some sort of say so in the job that they do.
mjames4040 11 months ago 3
@mjames4040 People do have a say and the right to bargain. They can show character, do a good job and negotiate a fair wage. If they feel shorted they can choose to move on to the next opportunity. No one needs a union for that. Unions are an absolute cancer.
justbaseball 11 months ago
One word; propaganda.
Don't believe everything you hear people. :)
Clasi4t3hwin 11 months ago
Here's a crazy thought: union workers are ALSO taxpayers!
pineli02 11 months ago 3
@pineli02 Yeah,but private sector workers pay more for public sector workers benefits percentage wise in Wisconsin than public sector workers do.It is NOT a right when someone else is paying the majority of the cost for your so-called right.
Lonewolf3000X 11 months ago
Well I think its very sad that so many repubs think that stripping rights from the teachers is a good idea,....... sure you take that responsiblity on teaching kids other than your own,.....risk your life,.... whats next the fireman and police?????? they have to be educated with degrees hold livea in their hands with trust and we the people ( well the rich and ignorant poor ) think its ok,.....
stupid sheep
RRmedic 11 months ago
@RRmedic What rights are you talking about ? Collective Bargaining ?. In my state, we don't have collective bargaining. My kids are in public schools and the teachers are excellent, even without the collective bargaining. Not sure what RIGHTS are you talking about ??
bergadangtidakbaik 11 months ago
@aeonjoey dude, did you even watch and seek to understand the video? The government in this instance is basically a monopoly. Union leaders are bargaining tax-payer money with politicians, who don't really care how much they spend since it's not technically theirs. The tax payers have no say in this at all and the state has insurmountable costs to pay for pensions, benefits, etc for public employees since union leaders want more. These employees already get well above normal wages and benefits.
Benuhgan 11 months ago
I'm going to throw up, this is DISGUSTING. undemocratic, can't hire 'competing' workers. give me a break, frame it however you want. Unions are BY THE WORKFORCE FOR THE WORKFORCE. The only people who don't want unions are corporations trying to degrade work conditions, which is WHY unions formed in the first place. Unions exist in every westernized society and are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT so that there is no abuse of workers. Anyone who agrees with this ad should be ashamed.
aeonjoey 11 months ago
@aeonjoey the Goverment does more to protect workerrs then so called Unons, FDR was aganist Public Sector unions having these so called rights, the Middle clas is being squeed with Higher TAxes and having to pay for Pentions they themslves don't have but Public Sector Union Members dol
Qkey27 10 months ago
Did Roger, Rupert and the Kochs have editorial approval of this B.S. Shame!
sonvolt48 11 months ago
Hypocritical Koch-funded scum.
JobDDT 11 months ago
Republicans don't want unions leveraging politicians they want corporations to leverage government.
killerbandit 11 months ago 2
@killerbandit What political party would I want to register with if I wanted politicians to represent people and not corporations or unions? If the corporatists have the Republican party and we know damned well the Unions have the Dumbocrats who should I vote for?
BradNC11175 11 months ago
Turning "power to the people" is how all this started in the first place.This is why our founding fathers didn't want a democracy. They didn't want the voters to be able to vote themselves other people's money.
christo930 11 months ago
This isn't too one sided saying union leaders donate to politicians and send it straight back to union. Corporations donate to GOP leaders and they send it straight back to them.
porterwake 11 months ago
Ha! These tea party circle jerks crack me up. These so called "representatives" just committed political suicide. This is not democracy. You are mistaken if you think this video convinces anyone to follow your agenda; especially anyone with an IQ above 5. If you actually research the issue of collective bargaining it becomes obvious that this video is one blatant lie after another. Instead you'll attack me to confirm your bias and I could care less.
Ugotpwned66 11 months ago
The Democrats who ran are now saying they're coming back [unknown when], but at this point who cares? They're claiming "we're coming back to support the people", yeah like when they ran away not doing anything at all? Even if they come back now, the law is being voted in the Assembly Thursday morning [tomorrow], so either here nor there, the democrats/unions already lost.
theaznfishy 11 months ago
The Wisconsin bill just got passed... at least part of it. Now the Dems will have to come back.
lyricspeople1234 11 months ago
privatize everything, profit motive will be the goal of the people who invent the robot to fix luke skywalkers arm and wipe your grandpas ass
unions protect the worthless and give jobs to the parasites that seek to form collectives rather than produce something others want to make a living
gonadcancervictim 11 months ago
We should eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA, institute a poll tax for the people who are too stupid to have money, and make it so that people don't have to be treated at ERs. If possible, I would be for more tax breaks for companies that offshore American workers. I stand with Heritage Foundation for a better America, and anyone that disagrees with what I want to cut is a RINO!!!!
speedgraphic 11 months ago
And as Walker came in and gave tax cuts to corporations he cut almost exactly the same amount from the middle class, sorry Heritage, but you are liars, trying to destroy the middle class, to give more to the rich!!! Walker grew the deficit by giving tax cuts to corporations. Then he said it was the unions fault. By the way it was the onset of unions that helped create the first substantial middle class!
phantomsuccour 11 months ago
Facile largire de alieno.
fizzingwhizbeee 11 months ago
We can´t let the unions influence our politics. The corporations and their lobbyists shouldn´t have to compete with anyone.
charlie1der 11 months ago
"Generous government union benefit packages"
Government wages are not generous, private wages are sub-poverty.
Stop falling for this garbage, fight for higher wages in your work own place instead of lower wages for others.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof Where are your figures to back such a wild claim?
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock
"A minimum wage job means living at the poverty line, wot wot?!"
-Someone who watches too much TV.
The fake outrage about "welfare" and "generous" benefits beguiles the simple fact that many, many American WORKERS (not sponges) must have food stamps to survive because their private sector job doesn't pay enough.
Try living on $900 a month when food, housing, and transportation is this expensive.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof A minimum wage job is for students still living with mommy.
Any adult with a high school diploma, the ability to pass a drug test, the initiative to become efficient enough to actually be WORTH what he's getting paid makes more than the minimum wage. The rest are losers and deserve no sympathy.
You continue to avoid providing any sources or statistics. Hint: that means a number. "...many, many..." is not a number. Sounds like bullshit.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock Many people who have high school diplomas work minimum wage. Are you not aware of the jobs crisis we have?
mjames4040 11 months ago
@mjames4040 many people getting out of college are also working for minimum wage, we're in deeper poop than expected.
theaznfishy 11 months ago
@theaznfishy Two degrees, clean record, clean job history, and I actually show up for work on time. Literally 300 out of 302 applications go completely unanswered.
Welcome to the Bush-Reagan economy. They like what they see in China and want to import that labor schema here.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@mjames4040 How many is "many"? What have they done to prepare themselves to be of any more value?
Are you prepared to pay $7 for a Big Mac just so somebody with no initiative can be paid more than what they're worth?
The "job crisis" is due to buying chinese goods. That's the fault of the consumer. It's also due to pissing away "stimulus" money on bloated bureaucracies.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock Are you saying that teachers arent worth the amount of money they make? They are the ones who make it possible for children to be successful in the future. And the jobs crisis is due to the recession we just had.
mjames4040 11 months ago
@mjames4040 Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee. And they want to milk it even more. Since 1964, SAT scores have gone down and down. Most high school graduates are woefully inadequate in the basics.
How anyone can say that more than a rare few teachers earn a fraction of their keep is beyond comprehension. Successful children? Yeah, sure.
Recession we just "had"? You really think it's over? Too many people with useless liberal arts degrees is a crisis.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock How can you blame the teachers for the declining rate of education? Education has dropped due to poor funding. And what statistics you have that high school graduates are "woefully inadequate in the basics"?
You said that "Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee". There is a difference between the public and the private sector. And that shouldnt hinder the pay of teachers.
mjames4040 11 months ago
@mjames4040 At least you acknowledge that the educational "product" is dropping. Money has proven to NOT be the answer. As Pres. Reagan said, every year more and more money has been thrown in the rathole of government schools. And every year the SAT scores have gone DOWN. Poor funding, yeah; checked your property taxes lately?
My daily experience shows me that these "graduates" can't add or work with fractions or ratios. They can't compose what used to be considered Middle School papers.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago 2
@MrStrictlyStock How can you blame the teachers for the declining rate of education? Education has dropped due to poor funding. And what statistics you have that high school graduates are "woefully inadequate in the basics"?
You said that "Considering the hours worked, teachers make more than just about any employee". There is a difference between the public and the private sector. And that shouldnt hinder the pay of teachers.
mjames4040 11 months ago
@mjames4040 Today's graduates haven't a clue about geography nor their own elected officials. They have not an inkling what is in the Constitution. Try interviewing a few.
The "public sector" should not be able to hold the people hostage. Eliminate tenure, and voters will elect school boards who will fire the slackers and reward the producers. Eliminate social tinkering indoctrinations and there will be time for that which produces a citizen with at least the basics for real world survival.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago 2
@MrStrictlyStock There is something called a constitiution test, so I would think they would know something. And tenure is something that is not part of collective bargaining if I am not mistaken.
mjames4040 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock Do you not have eyes to see the white hair of the people who serve you food, the cashiers, the maids, the lawnmowers, all the minimum wage jobs. The average age at my last three jobs was around 45 years old, comprised of people with multiple degrees ranging in age from 20 to 55.
You live in a country of allegory and myth.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof My, you have a flair for the dramatic! Nobody serves me food - I can't afford that luxury. But if you think a good waitress is not making 2-3 times her salary in tips, you need to get a reality check. The ones not getting tips are getting what they're worth - the customer knows the difference betwixt producers and slackers.
Mowing lawns for hire used to be for high school kids. And now some schmuck wants to make a living at it?
Maids are for rich people and are paid well.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock You get served every single day by common laborers, who work for minimum wage full time trying to provide for their families.
What fantasy land do you live in where these people are well paid.
If you can't afford to get served a burger at McDonald's then its time for you to stop treating your fellow workers with disdain and get angry at the corporatist takeover of the nation. Are you a slacker because you can't afford fast food?
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof Just who might these laborers be?
Why would anyone with half a brain decide to have a family if all they are capable of is a minimum wage job?
I hardly equate the drone behind the counter as a waitress. There is no service involved.
My "fellow workers" have applied themselves to the task of delivering services requiring more skill and remuneration than a minimum wage zombie.
I can afford McDonald's. I choose not to afford REAL service where REAL waitresses earn more.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock
"Nobody serves me food - I can't afford that luxury."
-MrStrictlyStock
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof Congratulations! You can copy a phrase. And additionally you have displayed the ability to properly credit it.
Now, what's your point?
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock Is someone ghost-writing your comments? I was quoting you to respond to a point that you had already forgotten.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof The ghost appears to be you. Unfortunately, you've yet to realize you've availed naught in so doing.
Let's try this again. Think before you respond this time. What's your point?
Hint: it had something to do with the fact that I don't piss money away in restaurants where there actually is service.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock You get served at any restaurant, and wouldn't have to cling to every single dollar if you actually made a livable wage.
You're mad at the wrong people, friend.
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof I don't get served at fast food joints. Try sitting down at one and waiting for your order to be taken.
Nobody subsidizes me, hence I make a "livable wage".
I'm not mad at slackers unless they want some of what I earned.
What you fail to understand is that union contracts are pegged to the minimum wage. It goes up, they gobble some more. Not long later, that inflationary cycle works it's course and the drone at the bottom is even further behind and the union guy fatter.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock It's amazing that you're mad at the "union guy" for "getting fatter" when it's people like you and I that are getting reamed by private industry. In the United States, private businesses pay so little to their workers that they are dependent on government aid to stay alive. Minimum wage is death without food stamps, heating assistance, housing credits, and others. The government is what keeps us alive when private industry gets fat off our labor.
Turtleproof 10 months ago
@Turtleproof Inasmuch as doing business with private industry is volitional, any "reaming" one receives must have been self inflicted.
Valuable workers are paid well. It's all about efficiency and productivity.
Any goof-off loser who has so few job skills as to be able to only knock down a minimum wage job should seriously consider moving back in with Mommy.
Think you're so valuable? Start your own business.
MrStrictlyStock 10 months ago
@Turtleproof only a slacker couldn't afford anything better than fast food? Is a moderate to low income person who does not support labor unions a traitor to other non wealthy people? Do you belong to a labor union?
BradNC11175 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock
"According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages."
-United States Department of Labor
"$30 A MONTH and $2.13 an hour is generous!"
-An obvious goon for corporate interests
Turtleproof 11 months ago
@Turtleproof Try thinking about what you just quoted. It is a definition of the floor, not the average.
If you think a competent waitress only makes that much, you are far removed from reality.
If I think the UAW causes a Chevy to cast too much, I can buy an American made Nissan. I don't have that luxury with government. If the greedy parasites want more than I make, I'm stuck.
An obvious schmuck with an agenda to allow parasites to bleed taxpayers.
MrStrictlyStock 11 months ago
@MrStrictlyStock You could always let Cass Sunstein, Obama's regulatory czar, choose your vehicle for you. After all he believes he knows whats best for you better than you do. Good old Cass, PrezBO, George Sorros and all the union cronies all under the same roof they'd love to have you for one big jolly Pinko picknick where all the government cheese, Obama Koolaid, borscht, goulash, pickled eggs and you could win a Government Motors Product for your troubles! Dont forget bullshit for desert!
BradNC11175 11 months ago
Gov. Walker is doing great job representing Wisconsin Taxpayers. Organized unions can scam Unorganized taxpayers all they want.
It's Gov. Walker who should be representing taxpayers in this dispute and he is doing just that! Good work Governor!
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nick10463 11 months ago