JFK's wounds were altered to fit shots from behind and way above. One or two shots dyd come from the back; whether they came from MC is another matter. No bullet went through JFK and exited his throat and hit Connally. Oswald did not fire that rifle and the W.Commission knew it. People that support the WC say people that believe in a conspiracy are "crazy" etc..To each his own. They use sarcasm to escape certain points that do not back their versions.
All center fire rifles, shotguns, handguns have a caliber or mm stamp on them. All center fire ammunitions have a caliber or mm stamp on the bottom of the shell. That is so you properly match the bullets to the guns, to keep you from getting injured or killed.
All imported 1963 Italian rifles have the 6.5mm stamp on the rear of the barrel. All 7.65 Mausers are stamped the same place. The police knew what cal/mm they were looking at. So would you.
How can Oswald be running down the Grassy Knoll, then being picked up by a station wagon, when he was spotted only 90 sec. later in the TSBD on the second floor by a policeman?
@no288 when craig saw the man he thought was oswald get into a vehicle on elm street it was 12.40 ,so thats some 8 minutes after baker encountered oswald in the lunchroom .
@no288 As many researchers have documented, there appears to have been a second 'Oswald' (eg. a double). It is common in covert operations to employ the use of doubles to cause confusion. Even back in the 1960's people had begun to catch on to the fact that were was more than one Oswald. The book, "The Two Oswalds" was published back in 1966.
In the documentary Evidence of Revision there is footage from the crime scene on the day showing TWO rifles, right next to each other, one being handled, one leaning on the wall. Facts keep getting in the way of the Secret Team's media narrative
regardless of every piece of evidence in this case Roger Craig found the most damning there were two rifles on that 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository. This to me is absolutely incredible that almost 50 years later everyone accepts that LHO did it with a Manlicher when there was two rifles.
@SUSSTURUCU really and how did you come to that conclusion...and why is it still being covered up still to this day....did clay shaw steal jfks brain.?
It was a cia/mafia hit and he was taken out for a bunch of reasons.
if it makes you sleep better at night then think that...what about roger craig...coincidence i suppose and all the other murders linked to the jfk hit
Has anyone pointed out that several hundred 6.5mm Carcano rifles were re-bored to 7.65 so as to fire the Mauser round ?, These rifles are clearly marked (on the barrel) 7.65 MAUSER. to differentiate them from the standard (6.5mm) rifle. That could explain Craigs observations, BUT such a rifle COULD NOT chamber the 6.5mm hulls found in the 'snipers nest'. !
God bless Roger Craig.....most folks believe you despite what the psy-op specialists would like people to believe.....so anyone who disbelieves the lies of the Warren Report is a "kook"????????...typical cyberbullying...how do these folks have so much time on their hands to condemn Warren Report critics?????????????????????????
@Humes53 1 "I'd believe Pinnochio before I believed Johnson or Hoover!"
You do, you believe the retarded CONspiracy Theory that states JFK was killed by many different people for many different reasons in many different ways and backed by many different entities and this happened ALL AT THE SAME TIME !
Wrong moron, they said the "Entire back of Kennedy's head was blasted away"." That's not what the autopsy figures show. And FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil reported surgery of the head area. There was no surgery in Dallas. A clandestine pre-autopsy (read David Lifton's book) creating bullet wounds in the back of the head to frame the patsy, Oswald. Oswald had NO preference for LBJ over JFK! I'd believe Pinnochio before I believed Johnson or Hoover!
~ Malcolm Liggett's lawsuit "The program demonstrates a reckless disregard for the truth and...continues to circumstantially allege that (Malcolm Liggett) was involved in some sort of conspiracy to alter JFK's wounds (A medical impossibility) with John Liggett and others in the assassination of JFK"
~ After plea bargaining like common criminals The History Channel paid Liggett a 6 figure sum for Libel and Slander
Faenor...No, our government wouldn't lie to us would they? No...if they say Oswald did it I guess like sheep we should believe them.. One nobody outsmarted the entire intelligence forces of the USA... with a piece of crap gun and made JFK's head go backward. Wake the hell up STOOGE!
faenor you must be a total moron . The docs from Parkland looked at the photos from Bethesda ands said this is NOT what we saw in Dallas. I guess Oswald did that too huh moron! Do you believe in Santa Claus too? A faction of the CIA, mob in NO, hired hitmen and LBJ to cover everything up. Wake the hell up you doper!
Humes53 Listen Fktartkooksucker PBS 'Nova' (Walter C.) took the four closest Dr's that attended JFK at Parkland Hosp to the National Archives AND THEY SAID THE AUTOPSY PHOTO'S WERE EXACTELY WHAT THEY SAW THAT DAY .... THEY ALSO ADMITTED THAT THEIR TESTIMONY TO NIGEL TURNER (TMWKK) WAS DONE UNDER FALSE PRETENSES .... TURNER COUCHED HIS QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND BY SAYING JFK HAD A BACK OF HEAD WOUND & HE HAD THE AUTOPSY PHOTO'S TO PROVE IT .... WHICH WAS A LIE ! ALL CONspiracy APOLOGISTS ARE LIARS !
@KookTartsBigFarts1 typical debunkers assfood crap, every piece of evidence dismissed,eg. the doctors are liars ,,, eye witnesses are unreliable ,,,, parafin tests dont work ,,,, oh but wait we can concoct a single bullet story that not one person has said happened ,,, dont panic thou because your government wouldnt lie to you..... ..ha ha .......remember watergate
~ As early as the 1950's the FBI sent out a memo to all law enforcement agencys that te parafin test was unreliable because they had gotten false positives and negatives when they did a scientific study on the test.
"eye witnesses are unreliable"
Liberal Justice Frankfurter "Eye-witness testimony is the greatest cause of miscarriage of justice in the United States"
"SBT that not one person"
~ The scientific wounds ballistic community disagrees with u
@KookTartsBigFarts1 If the parafin tests had shown the LHO had fired a rifle, you would have stated how reliable parafins tests are. Since the tests did not prove that LHO fired a rifle, you discredit it. If "as early as the1950's the FBI sent out a memeo to all law enforcement agentcies that the parafin tests were unreliable" why did they use it to test whether LHO fired a rifle on 11-22-1963?
@KookTartsBigFarts1 "Eye witnesses are unreliable"? Funny; they, ( DPD and the FBI) were willing to believe that Howard Brennan saw LHO in the sixth floor window. These people convienently went against their own philisophies when it was convienent to do so to blame LHO. And the "ballistic wounds community" were not present at Parkland and did not see the "oringinal" wounds in JFK's head.
@Com6in3d THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK by Historians D.J. Guth & D.R. Wrone-1980.
"Lane's RUSH TO JUDGMENT provides a classic example of subjective gimmickry , with it's scholarly cosmetic 4,500 footnotes, containing 100's of substantial errors & repetitions. Quotes with in the text have been quietly changed in over 200 instances from documented versions, important material has been excised from the evidence in order to highlight the trivial or to mislead"
Professional hit men on the orders of a faction of the CIA. Clay Shaw, tTafficante, Marcello, Ferry and others in on the ground work and other stuff needed. LBJ and Hoover covered everything up. Just look at the different autposy photos between Parkland and Bethesda. I guess Oswald did that too!!
@Humes53 How did LBJ and Hoover cover it up? What professional hit men took orders from which faction of the CIA? What were their names? Where did they meet? How did Clay Shaw correspond/communicate with Trafficante, Marcello and Ferrie? What specifically is "the other stuff needed"? How were the autopsy photos faked? Who did it? How did they do it? Where did they do it? Who else was involved? You've made a number of allegations. I hope you have the evidence to back it up.
@Humes53 "Just look at the different autposy photos between Parkland and Bethesda. I guess Oswald did that too!!"
Listen to the brain dead stump of a CONspiracists who can't even spew out his lies correctly. THERE WERE NO "AUTOPSY PHOTOS" TAKEN AT "PARKLAND" HOSPITAL ! Even the most rabid kooktard of CONspiracy would know that simple fact. You need to check into a CONspiracy Coo-Coo-Clinic to dry out.
auotad, You nitwit, Files confessed to the shooting, Hunt to the plot. There were 3 shooters and Oswald was NOT one of them. The right wing wanted JFK out of there and they did their dirty deed. If not the dems would have been in the White House until at least 1984. Daddy Bush was involved and so was Tricky Dick and Ford. Just a coincidence how all 3 became prez???
@Humes53 You looney screwballs have so many cockamamie theories it's becoming funny! You've got professional hit-men all over Dealey Plaza, bullets whizzing all around...it's a wonder more people weren't shot up as the motorcade passed by! HAHAHAAH!! Big Oil did it! LBJ did it! The Secret Service did it! Nixon did it! Bush did it! The Joint Chiefs of Staff did it!! The FBI did it! The CIA did it! Unhappy Cuban exiles did it! Actually..I did it!! I was 8 but had a hell of an aim! LOL! Loons!
@Humes53 "You nitwit, Files confessed to the shooting"
* Files would of been prosecuted because there's no statute of limitations on assassinating a president. Official's let him blab because he has no one to put money on his books while in prison for attempting to murder two cops, 'THEY' elt sorry for the wretched loaf of manure ....
Oooops !
* If he hadn't blown his 'Fireball 500' Gun Factoids out his asshole he might even be partially believable .... He isn't .....
@10Faenorr Moron, it's "would have" not "would of". Files confessed, that is a fact. Maybe he is lying, who knows? But any dumcluck that thinks LHO killed JFK belongs in a mental institution!
THE QUESTION IS WHO HASN'T LIED ABOUT THIS CASE FOR PERSONAL PROFIT, GRANDSTANDING AND SELF AGGRANDIZEMENT ? SO LETS SEE IF WE'VE GOT THIS STRAIGHT .... AFTER 1000'S OF CON-JOBS BY CON-SPIRACISTS WHO'VE CON-COCTED THE DOTS, MADE MYTH RIOTOUS, LITTLE OLD YOU STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT IT'S ALL A GIANT HOAX AND DECEPTION ? WHAT ARE YOU "STEWPID ER SUMPTIN" ?
YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLASSIFIABLE AS 3RD GRADE RETARDED ?
@10Faenorr You must be smoking peote or something. YOU rae the liar idiot! OK LHO takes a shabby gun with a misaligned scope (Gun was first identified as a german mauser), up six fllors, eats some greasy chicken, leaves prints everywhere, shoots and JFK's head goes backward, goes acroos the room to hide the gun (that really covers his tracks lol), magically appears on the second floor, leaves, goes home, gets caught (how did cops know where he was) then denies everything. Even OJ's Dream
* Jgar (Far-Right & Anti-Chocolate Faced) "covered everything up" to bring in the liberal domestic agenda of 'Civil Rights Champion' LBJ. This is already starting to be tarded & to top it off they get :
* Liberal E. Warren who wouldn't let Ernest Miranda go to jail because a policeman forgot to read him his rights to be part of an overall scheme to get rid of a 'Liberal Cold Warrior'? THAT MAKES U SUPER DUMB !
@10Faenorr No, Hoover's role (concern) was being director "for life". E.Warren reluctantly accepted his place as the head of the Warren Commission. LBJ made him do. And what was A.Dulles, the man JFK had fired doing on the W.Commission? LBJ knew full well that Dulles hated Kennedy.
@10Faenorr Even OJ's Dream Team couldn't get someone off with all that evidence. If LHO had killed JFK he would have braggedjust like mark David Chapman and LHO had NO preference fopr LBJ over JFK. An orchestratred plot by Davis Atlee Phillips and others in the CIA with help from the mob in New Orleans, all covered up by LBJ and Hoover. The Warren Report should be moved from the non-fiction section in all libraries to the fiction aisle along with Alice in Wonderland and others! YOU is dumb!
Hey, check out the Socrates Johnson video for the song 'Rambler Man', which tells the story of Roger Craig - who saw what he said was Oswald being picked up shortly after the assasination in a Rambler Station wagon.
Part of it is filmed from the old Court House Building and Dealey plaza
I think there are two problems here: 1. if you go the grassy knoll, and look at the kill shot, it has to be from the grassy knoll. 2. I think the warren commission along with President Gerald Ford did all they could with the information they had; you cant blame them if some information didnt get to them. watch my ardent pro mexico vids
Lets see if we've got this straight? The 'Evil Minions of CONspiracy' placed a shooter in FRONT of the president to frame a "patsy" who's gun would be found BEHIND his murder victim in the TSBD?
@10Faenorr i have come to one conclusion, which is final and the only one that is true: kennedy committed suicide and zapruder used photoshop to make up some bullshit video
The three named in The Men Who Killed were named, no one confessed in that show. Charles Harrelson, one of the tramps, claims he was in Houston having lunch when the murder occurred. So to my knowledge only Files has confessed. Get your facts straight.
You still have too many people confessing to the crime!
Besides, you Loonspirators have accused nearly 300 people of shooting the president.
The way I see it, you screwballs have too many gunmen in Dealey Plaza blasting away at the president. With your kooky accusations, everyone in Dealey was packing heat and shooting at the limo!
You got it! The printing of money, Vietnam (Memorandum 263...all troops home by the summer of '65), FBI director mandatory age 65 retirement (Hoover gone in '64),
abolish oil depletion allowance, just moving the country in a totally different direction, which would have benefited mostly the non-rich. They feared a Kennedy 24 year Dynasty for Peace. Military can't make no scratch on too much peace. Theyright wing didn't want to wait until '84 (Bob and Ted next prez) to get White House back
Well, yes, Humes. At bottom, what you say is true. This is, so to speak the "overarching truth" of the matter. Still, I do find myself interested in the details. Even more to the point, of course, is that Kennedy was moving in opposition to several powerful groups, who weren't about to have their plans destroyed. The "Powers that Be" determined that he must be wiped off the chess-board. BAM, and he's gone!
Doesn't matter who the shooters were. It was who orchestrated the plot. The killers were just hired gunmen. A faction of the CIA (David Atlee Phillips, E Howard Hunt), and others with the logistics like Ferry, Clay Shaw, Trafficante. LBJ approved it, Connally helped in getting JFK to Dallas, Mayor Cabell with the parade route, Sheriff Decker with the Dallas PD. Anyone who got in the way of the Warren report was removed and LBJ and Hoover covered up the truth.
@Humes53 I thought James Files shot JFK. He confessed to the crime. So didn't Charles Harrelson. And then there are the 3 Corsicians who were named in film "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
You've got a bit of a problem on your hands. One crime, too many confessors.
Yes, exactly...one must use discernment and not just go with an interesting story. Another example is the book, "The Man Who Knew Too Much." I do not buy it.
I am still wondering about the legitimacy of the claim that some of the shooters were a three-member Corsican team, including Sarti. Supposedly, organized crime figures recruited them, so there'd be difficulty tracing them back to them (or to American intelligence agencies). I find this compelling, but am not sure that this is yet supported by the evidence. Can anyone here help with this?
@drnovlamas I thought E. Howard Hunt was one of the shooters. No wait, it was Charles Harrelson! No wait, it was the 3 Corsicans! Gee whizz, I'm confused!! All these different people confessing to the same crime!!
Did you know that there was a secret military bunker fully manned by a secret military outfit in Dallas on the 22nd November 1963 and that the bunker was operational ONLY for the period of the assassination and its immediate aftermath? The bunker was dismantled the day after the assassination. Read Russ Baker's book "Family of Secrets" about George Bush Snr who was in Dallas on 22nd November 1963 and who was deeply involved in the assassination of JFK.
Remember the Roscoe White diary that his son found and told the FBI and then it disappeared? Roscoe White was a Dallas cop who had only been on the job a month or two. I think it was in the diary that Roscoe was with Tippit and they had a part to play in the assassination, like taking Oswald to Red Bird Airport or something. Tippit got "cold feet" and tried to back out and White then shot him. Can anyone shed some light on this?
@Humes53 I heard that story. Read Mathew Smith's two books The Second Plot and Say Goodbye To America. There is information in both books on Wayne January who owned and ran an airplane hire company at Red Bird Airfield. The actual airplane that was to fly Oswald out was left with its engine still running at Red Bird Airfield and some local people phoned in to a Dallas TV channel to complain of the noise the plane was making. This was AFTER the assassination.
Hard to separate the chaff from the wheat sometimes. If this January story is correct, obviously it applies to one of the "doubles. I also read somewhere...I think the Joan Mellen book, that Ferrie flew some people out of the country after the assassination, too.
@drnovlamas David Ferrie was an accomplished pilot and may have had a role to play. It is known that Ferrie did secretly fly Carlos Marcello back into the USA after Bobby Kennedy had thrown Marcello out. Ferrie may have been in Dallas at some time on the 22nd November 1963. Maybe even at the time of the assassination
and may have been scheduled to fly the assassins out. Whether or not he did is not clear.
@drnovlamas The conspiracy was so big it is - as J.E. Hoover himself - "so monstrous that it is impossible to comprehend and if people knew about it, it would rock the USA to its very foundations." (Paraphrase)
I see no problem with this video...and Lanes' most recent book--"Plausiable Denial"--is terrific. Are you aware that David Atlee Phillips (AKA Maurice Bishop), in his presence, admitted that Oswald was never in Mexico City?
@drnovlamas Good point. I did hear on Jim Fetzer's The Real Deal where Jim interviewed Mark Lane that Bishop in Mark Lanes' presence and in the presence of others had said: " Maybe some day the truth will come out that Oswald was NEVER in Mexico City."
I see no problem with this video...and his Lanes' most recent book is terrific. Are you aware that David Atlee Phillips, in his presence, admitted that Oswald was never in Mexico City?
@FrankCIanton: You are a sick bastard. I guess I need to clarify myself for retards. "The guy who HOSTS this video needs to let me borrow the tape so that I can clean it up for him." You are not that guy so why respond?
@n0gar "The guy who HOSTS this video needs to let me borrow the tape so that I can clean it up for him."
You fucking lying shit for brains needle dick!! You sick cunt!! What is there to clean up about this "video/tape"? Admit it! You're a fucking lying smart ass bastard asshole who has been caught out.
You're too fucking smart for your own good. Cocksucker!
The connection between JFK & Tippit is not just how Tippit looks similar to JFK. Tippit is THE key to the continued cover up. Tippit is Kennedy. For any conspiracy assassination of any president to succeed, you must explain & be prepared to show the nature of the murder. 3 shots (all that authorities are allowed to say). Front of head blown out (altered Z film). A cop near look-a-like, taking commands to be when & where you want him sacrificed.
@10Faenor Tippit was shot when he tried to arrest the Oswald double after Tippit was sent deliberately into the Oak Cliff area by someone in the DPD. It was not the person who radioed Tippit in his car but someone higher up. Tippit was sent to his death deliberately to create the idea that Oswald was a cop killer.
The idea that because Tippit resembled JFK has anything to do with the assassination is nonsense and a diversion! JFK had his own double. Why wasn't JFK's double shot?
@FrankCIanton Tippit never tried to arrest anyone. Oswald was not there. The WC star witness changed her story after being pressured and lied. She originally said the killer was "bushy haired - heavy - short". Same as another female Black witness who was threatened to shut up.
JD Tippit's family said he look much like JFK. His DPD friends called him Jack & Kennedy. JD stands for Jefferson Davis - a racist. Tippit hated JFK.
Tell me, did you see the JFK morgue table death photo? U need to see it
@10Faenor So. Can you explain what Officer Tippit was doing in Oak Cliff which was way out of his territory?
Tippit was sent into Oak Cliff after he had been given a description of Oswald. The Oswald double Tippit saw was sent there to entice Tippit into a confrontation in which Officer Tippit would be shot to death and the blame put on the real Oswald. After shooting Tippit the Oswald double then made his way to the Texas theater where the real Oswald was ALREADY!
@10Faenor Okay I agree the bushy haired guy MAY have shot Oswald. The bushy haired guy was the same man Roger Craig saw behind the wheel of the station wagon that collected the Oswald double from the TSBD at about 12:45 after the assassination and which people other than Craig witnessed. Officer Tippit may have hated JFK but what is your evidence for this? Yes.I have seen the Tippit morgue photo and while Tippit may have looked a bit like JFK in life, in death Officer Tippit did not.
@10Faenor If Tippit did not try to arrest anyone then why 1/ was he shot to death? and 2/ what was he doing in the Oak Cliff area in the first place? Also how do you explain the phone call Tippit either made/attempted to make or received in a record shop near where he was shot. it seems Tippit either rang someone or someone rang him in the record shop. What was this all about? I would be interested in your ideas on it.
@autoad Clownsville - Where YOU live! You ugly fucking TOAD! Needeep! Needeep! Needeep! (that's the sound toads make). You TOAD! You still giving free blow jobs?
LHO left the TSBD by the rear entrance, hopped a bus, told several people in a loud voice that JFK just got wacked, got off the traffic-locked bus, got into a taxi & scooted back to the rooming house in Oak Cliffs.
If Craig saw LHO & a Rambler at/near the Grassy Knoll shortly after the shooting, then that makes the City Bus driver, 4 passengers who spoke with him, the taxi driver who took him across the Houston St. Viaduct, and his land-lady all liars.
the man seen by Craig couldnt be Oswald cos he would have been well on his way home. Mrs Paines car didnt have a luggage rack and she never let Oswald borrow it cos his driving was shockingly bad! If Oswald had been tried in court , he would fried long ago!!!!!! Rightly so!!
@oxy430 Craig may have seen an Oswald double or lookalike. There were at least two Oswald doubles operating in Dallas on 11-22-63. The Oswald who shot Tippit may also have been an Oswald double who Tippit mistook for the real Oswald.
@txIee1 Oswald's near double was Donald Wayne House. He drove a black Ford, mentioned on another video. A black Ford and another car were seen leaving the Gen walker shooting. Youtube video: d8-m7-W5pJ0
House looks like Oswald in appearance. Look at House beginning at about 1:05 on the film. Oswald can be seen later on the same video.
The connection between Oswald & House & Walker is made. There is also a connection between JFK & Tippit. Tippit;s DPD friends nicknamed him Jack. JFK's was Jack.
@10Faenor Hey, man! That's fantastic! Thanks for that piece of info.I never knew that! Thanks!! I knew Tippit's nickname was Jack because of his likeness to JFK.
Tippit MUST be sacrificed to fit the murder scenario. And what do you humans do with sacrificial animals? You honor them. It is Tippit who received the Presidential funeral parade. It is Tippit who is buried under the headstone John F Kennedy in Arlington cemetery. It is Tippit’s black haired head that you see on the morgue table in color under the name Kennedy.
Web search: Morningstar JFK. The hair sideburns give away the conspiracy. And JFK had brown hair.
Why would Oswald be working in the TSBD? Not the kind of job you might expect for an ex-military, highly political, "Marxist", with a security clearance. A defector or a CIA or FBI asset.
Oswald was given a job there at the TSBD in October '63. Oswald thought he was to participate in an activity to help AVOID the assassination. Oswald was a low level CIA employee. Oswald was associated with FBI man James Hosty and CIA bigwig David Atlee Phillips. Simply a patsy to take the blame for the coup d'etat. How could the truth ever come out with LBJ and Hoover (they were in on it) to cover everything up?
@Humes53 If memory serves I think LHO started work in the TSBD on the 16th October 1963. The date of JFK's visit to Dallas - again if memory serves - was made public knowledge on the 13th September 1963. So the conspirators had LHO installed and working in the TSBD just over a month before the date of JFK's visit.
@FlawlessV212 And, of course, the irony is that it was the CIA who built the fake communist persona of Oswald. Oswald was no communist. Personally I think the whole communist thing is a diversion. The simple truth is that Oswald didn't shoot ANYBODY!!
@FarEastBeast ..not completely true, if you search for JFK witnesses here on youtube you will see and hear witnesses of any color, If I recall correct two or three where collegues of Oswald in the Dallas School Book Depository. But thinking more about your comment, I indeed do not find many colored witnesses along the route interviewed. There where a lot of Hispanic and African Americans along the route. In one interview, that woman with zapruder mentioned a couple sitting close by.
Roger Craig, DPD, stated the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. All German Mauser rifles have the 7.65 stamp on the metal. It is well known that 7.65 is a German Mauser WWII weapon.
The 7.65 Mauser was correctly identified by all 3 cops in daylight, at the same time. No way to get that wrong.
Proof the 7.65 was identified correctly? All imported Italian Carcano 6.5mm rifles in 1963 were marked on the wood stock MADE ITALY-.
Mauser designs were built for the German armed forces. Since the late 19th and early 20th centuries, military Mauser designs were also exported and licensed to a number of countries, as well as being a popular civilian firearm. The 89 Mauser entered service in 1940 with military units in Norway, Denmark, Holland and Belgium. All variations used the same 7,65 mm round-nosed cartridge.
I watched a series of videos called Evidence of Revision. Its quit amazing to see the cover up unfold right before the eyes of America. All of them can be found on my profile. If you concider yourself a student of this tragic event it is an absolute must watch!!
Read what you are saying. you telling me to believe what the witnesses said to the FBI, Secret Service etc. Its called Intimidation. If you have ever been are any type of City, State or Federal Authorities , they do this in order to get what that want to hear. they are not always right. There have been several cases were witnesses were told what to say and if they thought anything else they were wrong and its not how it happen. The evidence of LHO acting along is weak.
In most cases I would probably agree - no question. But read the actual transcripts of the witness reports. Most of the 'talk' is from the witnesses themselves and the remarks are hardly prompted by interviewers.
Now read the statements that many of these same folks made later. Some of the fabulous allegations don't line up with the original. When were they coerced?
The stories that Haven't changed should be focused on. There are many.
Let me ask you this. I take it that you were born before the late 60s.. am I correct? I am sure you are one of those Americans who thinks the government would never lie to their people about anything. Especially the murder of our own president.
LOL.. you telling me to read the actual transcripts? give me a break. They couldnt even keep or produce the transcripts of LHO or the notes the FBI, Secret Service took while questioning LHO. why? Oh let me see. they forgot !! give me by boots!
I'm from the Gen that asked all the hard questions of our Gov't, died in wars of money & consolidation, & saw the fight for equal/civil rights come to what it has.
My Gen put 12 men on the Moon.
Your Gen put GW Bush in the White House. Twice.
It's BeCause of my Gen that you're able to question things.
Not everything is a conspiracy, son. You're looking down a long, very narrow tube at a grainy snapshot. The world - then & now - is much bigger than that.
i figured you were. you are to set in your on ways of thinking to change your mind. you have been brought up to think that things happen because "oops' they just happen. your Gen killed Several Leaders and everytime they were killed buy some crazy nut. your are right no everything is a conspiracy but you have to widen your road and views and step out of the box. My Gen didnt put GW Bush, you can give that to Your Gen. we have not had a president for the People since JFK.
Your Gen. were involved in wars that did not have to happen there were reasons behind it. Much to gain and lose. Every persident after JFK were about as useless as tits on a boar.none of them did any good. nothing but wars.your gen did ask questions, but not all were thinking the same. MY Gen ask the tuff question that were not dared to be asked back in your day. Thats why more Americans are waking up to the Corruption and lying by our govt. heck over 75% think it was more then one gunman.
Really patronizing. I'm the same generation as you and you're full of shit! You're looking out of your ass and have been all your life. Broaden your horizons for a change! Open up your sphincter and take a good dump! Not everything is a conspiracy but some things definitely are! Like the murder of JFK by a bunch of treasonous reprobates sponsored by your Gen! Why the capital 'G' by the way?
I was also around to read "Rush To Judgement" when it came out. It was considered the Bible for CTers for many years.
Fortunately, Mark Lane is, as has been true for many years now, seen as a total money-grubbing charlatan who also based all he 'knew' on what other sensationalists said.
Craig has been discredited for almost as long.
Mrs Paine's Rambler never left Irving, & where are the pictures of LHO 'Running down the Slope'? When did he do this?
Anyway, pictures came out of Sheriff Craig that he was exactly where he said he was at the time, both in Dealey Plaza and outside the interrogation room where Oz was questioned. The treatment of Craig a decorated lawman, fired because he talked to Garrison's DA is disgraceful. On positive note, 10Feanor your old enough to remember when the book came out, maybe your'll be dead soon and you won't be posting.
@10Feanor No. you're out of date (no hyphens), pal. Mark Lane is a man of integrity and your libelous remarks are actionable. You should not let your obvious hatred of Mark Lane cloud your already poor judgment. Roger Craig has NOT been discredited and neither has Mark Lane been discredited. There is a picture taken by James Dillard showing the events described the late Roger Craig. As for your outrageous remark regarding the movements of the Nash Rambler - they are beneath contempt!
Unfortunately sir, you have failed to check the spelling of my user-name. No offense taken.
There is a prankster among us who likes to mimic or mock some of the more informed members of this and other JFK forums in hopes that he can discredit what we really say.
It's really the lowest form of flattery, truth to tell.
@10Feanor I do apologize, sir. I had no intention to offend or upset you any way shape or form. I do see now that there is a certain juxtaposition of the letters 'a' and 'e' which I had not noticed before. On closer inspection I can see clearly what you mean. Again, I apologize and thank you for your understanding.
Who cares that LHO defected to the Soviet Union, who cares he was in the Marines. oh and he so happen to have a job at the TSBD. where are the pictures of Oswald taking the shots ? oh but there is overwhelming evidence of him acting alone. like the paraffin test... which tested negative on his face but positive on his hands. wouldnt you think it would have came back Positive if he fired the rifle. let me get my boots because the S@*%t is getting high
What was Oswald of all people doing in the TSBD? Probably put there by the CIA to be the ideal fall guy for the assassination. Oswald knew nothing about the assassination. He was a patsy! Set up by the CIA aided by the FBI. The whole thing stinks! Oswald didn't shoot anybody! No sir!
@migo53333 You dickhead!! I know he worked, there! You fucking moron!! The question is WHY and HOW he got a job there and WHO put him there!. Why don't you get your head out of your fucking ass and THINK before you open that fucking mouth of yours?!! Mi amigo! Chinga su madre! Maricon!
@Mobilecheese Oswald was a FBI informant on the CIA's covert training camps for cuban militants.. the CIA set him up as a patsy to insult the FBI and warn Hoover about such underhanded dealings.
JFK's wounds were altered to fit shots from behind and way above. One or two shots dyd come from the back; whether they came from MC is another matter. No bullet went through JFK and exited his throat and hit Connally. Oswald did not fire that rifle and the W.Commission knew it. People that support the WC say people that believe in a conspiracy are "crazy" etc..To each his own. They use sarcasm to escape certain points that do not back their versions.
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
For those who never held a gun in their hands.
All center fire rifles, shotguns, handguns have a caliber or mm stamp on them. All center fire ammunitions have a caliber or mm stamp on the bottom of the shell. That is so you properly match the bullets to the guns, to keep you from getting injured or killed.
All imported 1963 Italian rifles have the 6.5mm stamp on the rear of the barrel. All 7.65 Mausers are stamped the same place. The police knew what cal/mm they were looking at. So would you.
jjh36Is 1 month ago
How can Oswald be running down the Grassy Knoll, then being picked up by a station wagon, when he was spotted only 90 sec. later in the TSBD on the second floor by a policeman?
no288 3 months ago
@no288 when craig saw the man he thought was oswald get into a vehicle on elm street it was 12.40 ,so thats some 8 minutes after baker encountered oswald in the lunchroom .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@no288 As many researchers have documented, there appears to have been a second 'Oswald' (eg. a double). It is common in covert operations to employ the use of doubles to cause confusion. Even back in the 1960's people had begun to catch on to the fact that were was more than one Oswald. The book, "The Two Oswalds" was published back in 1966.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
horrible opening and closing music!
Nominay 3 months ago
In the documentary Evidence of Revision there is footage from the crime scene on the day showing TWO rifles, right next to each other, one being handled, one leaning on the wall. Facts keep getting in the way of the Secret Team's media narrative
TheBamftiger 4 months ago
This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK
"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"
YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv
LBJ Evil joke about JFK
"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"
cruisersism 5 months ago
The witnesses went thru hell. Roger Craig was a brave man with principles. One of the good guys.
bmyrab 7 months ago 7
Mark Lane ..you are amazing .. keep on trying to prove the truth.
sdhscrosscountry 7 months ago 4
regardless of every piece of evidence in this case Roger Craig found the most damning there were two rifles on that 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository. This to me is absolutely incredible that almost 50 years later everyone accepts that LHO did it with a Manlicher when there was two rifles.
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NeilCrouse 7 months ago
I can not believe some of the people, who still comment about how it had to be Lee Oswald that did it? I mean, come on...?
Even if it was L.H.Oswald that done this shooting, how do you explain away, all the events that followed?
Roger Craig didn't deserve constant attacks on his life and to eventually be killed? So who or more importantly WHY harass this man?
Mark Lane...? He was part of JFK's campaign for president! Why would he investigate it? He isn't dumb, that's why! He knew. LHO=PATSY!
punksterdaddy 8 months ago 20
@punksterdaddy-The short answer is that people are idiots, that is why the Globalists are able to do the things that they do and get away with it.
BLACKPUSSYPUNISHER 7 months ago 2
@punksterdaddy I think LEE OSWALD DİD İT...
BUT SOME PEOPLE HELPED HİM..
LİKE CLAY SHAW,DAVİD FERRİE,JACK RUBY and GUY BANASTER..
OSWALD DİD İT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE FAMOUS..
OSWALD DİD İT BUT NOT WİTH MANNLİCHER CARCANO...
AND ZAPRUDER FİLM İS NOT TRUE
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@SUSSTURUCU really and how did you come to that conclusion...and why is it still being covered up still to this day....did clay shaw steal jfks brain.?
It was a cia/mafia hit and he was taken out for a bunch of reasons.
if it makes you sleep better at night then think that...what about roger craig...coincidence i suppose and all the other murders linked to the jfk hit
gottahavetruth 3 weeks ago
@gottahavetruth OKAY...THiS İS YOUR THEORY..AND YOU CAN BE RİGHT..
AND I WANT TO ASK QUESTİONS TO YOU :
1-) WHY DİD İSRAEL's PRESİDEN RESİGN BEFORE JFK ASSASSİNATİON ? AND WHY DİD ISRAEL's PRESİDENT BEN GURİON AND JFK ARGUE ABOUT ISRAEL's NUCLEAR WEAPON PLANS ?
2-) WHO KİLLED TO MARİLYN MONROE ? AND WHAT WAS THE CONNECTİON BETWEEN MARİLYN MONROE MURDER AND JFK ASSASSİNATİON ?
3-) WHAT WAS HOOVER'S ROLE İN THİS ASSASSİNATİON ?
CAN YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTİONS ?
SUSSTURUCU 3 weeks ago
@punksterdaddy It was predetermined that LHO would be blamed.
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
@Kook Shut up already you asshole!!!!!
pearlofprice 8 months ago
Kook, you must a moron if you LHO did it all by his little old lonesome self!!!
Humes53 9 months ago
Mossad and the CIA killed JKK and RFK. Those sickos even organized the murder of John Lennon.
richardbraverman 9 months ago
James Files Shot Kennedy.
TPBXDRicky420 9 months ago
Has anyone pointed out that several hundred 6.5mm Carcano rifles were re-bored to 7.65 so as to fire the Mauser round ?, These rifles are clearly marked (on the barrel) 7.65 MAUSER. to differentiate them from the standard (6.5mm) rifle. That could explain Craigs observations, BUT such a rifle COULD NOT chamber the 6.5mm hulls found in the 'snipers nest'. !
AsDeadAsDillinger 9 months ago
jfk's assassination was covered-up, that I do know.
MOXWELLDIAMOND 10 months ago
God bless Roger Craig.....most folks believe you despite what the psy-op specialists would like people to believe.....so anyone who disbelieves the lies of the Warren Report is a "kook"????????...typical cyberbullying...how do these folks have so much time on their hands to condemn Warren Report critics?????????????????????????
damientumor 11 months ago 12
@Humes53 1 "I'd believe Pinnochio before I believed Johnson or Hoover!"
You do, you believe the retarded CONspiracy Theory that states JFK was killed by many different people for many different reasons in many different ways and backed by many different entities and this happened ALL AT THE SAME TIME !
Which makes you 3rd grade retarded
KookTartsBigFarts1 9 months ago
@KookTartsBigFarts1 CONspiracy; is that like the Warren ConFICTION?
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
@damientumor Oswald was a shooter!
tcmax4life 6 months ago in playlist TMWKK
Wrong moron, they said the "Entire back of Kennedy's head was blasted away"." That's not what the autopsy figures show. And FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil reported surgery of the head area. There was no surgery in Dallas. A clandestine pre-autopsy (read David Lifton's book) creating bullet wounds in the back of the head to frame the patsy, Oswald. Oswald had NO preference for LBJ over JFK! I'd believe Pinnochio before I believed Johnson or Hoover!
Humes53 11 months ago
@Humes53 "read David Lifton's book"
~ Malcolm Liggett's lawsuit "The program demonstrates a reckless disregard for the truth and...continues to circumstantially allege that (Malcolm Liggett) was involved in some sort of conspiracy to alter JFK's wounds (A medical impossibility) with John Liggett and others in the assassination of JFK"
~ After plea bargaining like common criminals The History Channel paid Liggett a 6 figure sum for Libel and Slander
Ploink on yer pointed hillbilly head !
KookTartsBigFarts1 9 months ago
Faenor...No, our government wouldn't lie to us would they? No...if they say Oswald did it I guess like sheep we should believe them.. One nobody outsmarted the entire intelligence forces of the USA... with a piece of crap gun and made JFK's head go backward. Wake the hell up STOOGE!
Humes53 11 months ago
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faenor you must be a total moron . The docs from Parkland looked at the photos from Bethesda ands said this is NOT what we saw in Dallas. I guess Oswald did that too huh moron! Do you believe in Santa Claus too? A faction of the CIA, mob in NO, hired hitmen and LBJ to cover everything up. Wake the hell up you doper!
Humes53 11 months ago
Humes53 Listen Fktartkooksucker PBS 'Nova' (Walter C.) took the four closest Dr's that attended JFK at Parkland Hosp to the National Archives AND THEY SAID THE AUTOPSY PHOTO'S WERE EXACTELY WHAT THEY SAW THAT DAY .... THEY ALSO ADMITTED THAT THEIR TESTIMONY TO NIGEL TURNER (TMWKK) WAS DONE UNDER FALSE PRETENSES .... TURNER COUCHED HIS QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND BY SAYING JFK HAD A BACK OF HEAD WOUND & HE HAD THE AUTOPSY PHOTO'S TO PROVE IT .... WHICH WAS A LIE ! ALL CONspiracy APOLOGISTS ARE LIARS !
KookTartsBigFarts1 11 months ago 2
@KookTartsBigFarts1 typical debunkers assfood crap, every piece of evidence dismissed,eg. the doctors are liars ,,, eye witnesses are unreliable ,,,, parafin tests dont work ,,,, oh but wait we can concoct a single bullet story that not one person has said happened ,,, dont panic thou because your government wouldnt lie to you..... ..ha ha .......remember watergate
jellyadult 11 months ago
@jellyadult "parafin tests dont work"
~ As early as the 1950's the FBI sent out a memo to all law enforcement agencys that te parafin test was unreliable because they had gotten false positives and negatives when they did a scientific study on the test.
"eye witnesses are unreliable"
Liberal Justice Frankfurter "Eye-witness testimony is the greatest cause of miscarriage of justice in the United States"
"SBT that not one person"
~ The scientific wounds ballistic community disagrees with u
KookTartsBigFarts1 9 months ago
@KookTartsBigFarts1 If the parafin tests had shown the LHO had fired a rifle, you would have stated how reliable parafins tests are. Since the tests did not prove that LHO fired a rifle, you discredit it. If "as early as the1950's the FBI sent out a memeo to all law enforcement agentcies that the parafin tests were unreliable" why did they use it to test whether LHO fired a rifle on 11-22-1963?
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
@KookTartsBigFarts1 "Eye witnesses are unreliable"? Funny; they, ( DPD and the FBI) were willing to believe that Howard Brennan saw LHO in the sixth floor window. These people convienently went against their own philisophies when it was convienent to do so to blame LHO. And the "ballistic wounds community" were not present at Parkland and did not see the "oringinal" wounds in JFK's head.
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
@jellyadult "remember watergate"
Yes I do. Do you remember the system worked, the conspiracy failed and Nixon was ousted, nuff said
KookTartsBigFarts1 9 months ago
God bless Roger Craig.....most folks believe you!
damientumor 11 months ago
Oswald did it. ZIt is so obvious. Mark lane is a con man.
Com6in3d 11 months ago 2
@Com6in3d THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK by Historians D.J. Guth & D.R. Wrone-1980.
"Lane's RUSH TO JUDGMENT provides a classic example of subjective gimmickry , with it's scholarly cosmetic 4,500 footnotes, containing 100's of substantial errors & repetitions. Quotes with in the text have been quietly changed in over 200 instances from documented versions, important material has been excised from the evidence in order to highlight the trivial or to mislead"
10Faenorr 11 months ago 3
@10Faenorr Are you speaking of the Warren Report or "Rush to Judgement"?
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
Professional hit men on the orders of a faction of the CIA. Clay Shaw, tTafficante, Marcello, Ferry and others in on the ground work and other stuff needed. LBJ and Hoover covered everything up. Just look at the different autposy photos between Parkland and Bethesda. I guess Oswald did that too!!
Humes53 11 months ago
autoad 11 months ago
@Humes53 "Just look at the different autposy photos between Parkland and Bethesda. I guess Oswald did that too!!"
Listen to the brain dead stump of a CONspiracists who can't even spew out his lies correctly. THERE WERE NO "AUTOPSY PHOTOS" TAKEN AT "PARKLAND" HOSPITAL ! Even the most rabid kooktard of CONspiracy would know that simple fact. You need to check into a CONspiracy Coo-Coo-Clinic to dry out.
Wow that post was 3rd grade retarded ....
10Faenorr 11 months ago 2
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auotad, You nitwit, Files confessed to the shooting, Hunt to the plot. There were 3 shooters and Oswald was NOT one of them. The right wing wanted JFK out of there and they did their dirty deed. If not the dems would have been in the White House until at least 1984. Daddy Bush was involved and so was Tricky Dick and Ford. Just a coincidence how all 3 became prez???
Humes53 1 year ago
@Humes53 You looney screwballs have so many cockamamie theories it's becoming funny! You've got professional hit-men all over Dealey Plaza, bullets whizzing all around...it's a wonder more people weren't shot up as the motorcade passed by! HAHAHAAH!! Big Oil did it! LBJ did it! The Secret Service did it! Nixon did it! Bush did it! The Joint Chiefs of Staff did it!! The FBI did it! The CIA did it! Unhappy Cuban exiles did it! Actually..I did it!! I was 8 but had a hell of an aim! LOL! Loons!
autoad 11 months ago
@autoad "it's a wonder more ppl weren't shot up as the motorcade passed by!"
218 assassins identified on the grassy knoll & around Dealey Plaza so far ....
THAR MUST OF BEEN 1000's OF HILLBILLYS CILLED DAT DAY !
10Faenorr 11 months ago
@Humes53 "You nitwit, Files confessed to the shooting"
* Files would of been prosecuted because there's no statute of limitations on assassinating a president. Official's let him blab because he has no one to put money on his books while in prison for attempting to murder two cops, 'THEY' elt sorry for the wretched loaf of manure ....
Oooops !
* If he hadn't blown his 'Fireball 500' Gun Factoids out his asshole he might even be partially believable .... He isn't .....
Oooops !
10Faenorr 11 months ago 2
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@10Faenorr Moron, it's "would have" not "would of". Files confessed, that is a fact. Maybe he is lying, who knows? But any dumcluck that thinks LHO killed JFK belongs in a mental institution!
Humes53 11 months ago
@Humes53 "Maybe he is lying, who knows?"
THATS NOT THE QUESTION MORON.
THE QUESTION IS WHO HASN'T LIED ABOUT THIS CASE FOR PERSONAL PROFIT, GRANDSTANDING AND SELF AGGRANDIZEMENT ? SO LETS SEE IF WE'VE GOT THIS STRAIGHT .... AFTER 1000'S OF CON-JOBS BY CON-SPIRACISTS WHO'VE CON-COCTED THE DOTS, MADE MYTH RIOTOUS, LITTLE OLD YOU STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT IT'S ALL A GIANT HOAX AND DECEPTION ? WHAT ARE YOU "STEWPID ER SUMPTIN" ?
YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLASSIFIABLE AS 3RD GRADE RETARDED ?
10Faenorr 11 months ago 2
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@10Faenorr You must be smoking peote or something. YOU rae the liar idiot! OK LHO takes a shabby gun with a misaligned scope (Gun was first identified as a german mauser), up six fllors, eats some greasy chicken, leaves prints everywhere, shoots and JFK's head goes backward, goes acroos the room to hide the gun (that really covers his tracks lol), magically appears on the second floor, leaves, goes home, gets caught (how did cops know where he was) then denies everything. Even OJ's Dream
Humes53 11 months ago
@Humes53 "LBJ & Hoover covered everything up"
Lets see if we've got this straight?
* Jgar (Far-Right & Anti-Chocolate Faced) "covered everything up" to bring in the liberal domestic agenda of 'Civil Rights Champion' LBJ. This is already starting to be tarded & to top it off they get :
* Liberal E. Warren who wouldn't let Ernest Miranda go to jail because a policeman forgot to read him his rights to be part of an overall scheme to get rid of a 'Liberal Cold Warrior'? THAT MAKES U SUPER DUMB !
10Faenorr 11 months ago 2
@10Faenorr No, Hoover's role (concern) was being director "for life". E.Warren reluctantly accepted his place as the head of the Warren Commission. LBJ made him do. And what was A.Dulles, the man JFK had fired doing on the W.Commission? LBJ knew full well that Dulles hated Kennedy.
TheAmbassador11 1 month ago
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@10Faenorr Even OJ's Dream Team couldn't get someone off with all that evidence. If LHO had killed JFK he would have braggedjust like mark David Chapman and LHO had NO preference fopr LBJ over JFK. An orchestratred plot by Davis Atlee Phillips and others in the CIA with help from the mob in New Orleans, all covered up by LBJ and Hoover. The Warren Report should be moved from the non-fiction section in all libraries to the fiction aisle along with Alice in Wonderland and others! YOU is dumb!
Humes53 11 months ago
Hey, check out the Socrates Johnson video for the song 'Rambler Man', which tells the story of Roger Craig - who saw what he said was Oswald being picked up shortly after the assasination in a Rambler Station wagon.
Part of it is filmed from the old Court House Building and Dealey plaza
PTroubadour 1 year ago
Look at Bill Cooper JFK video on you tube its a diffent point of veiw
rhino12181975 1 year ago
I think there are two problems here: 1. if you go the grassy knoll, and look at the kill shot, it has to be from the grassy knoll. 2. I think the warren commission along with President Gerald Ford did all they could with the information they had; you cant blame them if some information didnt get to them. watch my ardent pro mexico vids
1973mazdarx4coupe 1 year ago
@1973mazdarx4coupe "it has to be from the grassy knoll"
Lets see if we've got this straight? The 'Evil Minions of CONspiracy' placed a shooter in FRONT of the president to frame a "patsy" who's gun would be found BEHIND his murder victim in the TSBD?
Sounds 3rd grade retarded ....
10Faenorr 11 months ago
@10Faenorr i have come to one conclusion, which is final and the only one that is true: kennedy committed suicide and zapruder used photoshop to make up some bullshit video
1973mazdarx4coupe 11 months ago
The three named in The Men Who Killed were named, no one confessed in that show. Charles Harrelson, one of the tramps, claims he was in Houston having lunch when the murder occurred. So to my knowledge only Files has confessed. Get your facts straight.
Humes53 1 year ago
@Humes53 Files confessed and so did Hunt?
You still have too many people confessing to the crime!
Besides, you Loonspirators have accused nearly 300 people of shooting the president.
The way I see it, you screwballs have too many gunmen in Dealey Plaza blasting away at the president. With your kooky accusations, everyone in Dealey was packing heat and shooting at the limo!
LOL!! That's funny!!
autoad 1 year ago
You got it! The printing of money, Vietnam (Memorandum 263...all troops home by the summer of '65), FBI director mandatory age 65 retirement (Hoover gone in '64),
abolish oil depletion allowance, just moving the country in a totally different direction, which would have benefited mostly the non-rich. They feared a Kennedy 24 year Dynasty for Peace. Military can't make no scratch on too much peace. Theyright wing didn't want to wait until '84 (Bob and Ted next prez) to get White House back
Humes53 1 year ago
Well, yes, Humes. At bottom, what you say is true. This is, so to speak the "overarching truth" of the matter. Still, I do find myself interested in the details. Even more to the point, of course, is that Kennedy was moving in opposition to several powerful groups, who weren't about to have their plans destroyed. The "Powers that Be" determined that he must be wiped off the chess-board. BAM, and he's gone!
drnovlamas 1 year ago
Doesn't matter who the shooters were. It was who orchestrated the plot. The killers were just hired gunmen. A faction of the CIA (David Atlee Phillips, E Howard Hunt), and others with the logistics like Ferry, Clay Shaw, Trafficante. LBJ approved it, Connally helped in getting JFK to Dallas, Mayor Cabell with the parade route, Sheriff Decker with the Dallas PD. Anyone who got in the way of the Warren report was removed and LBJ and Hoover covered up the truth.
Humes53 1 year ago
@Humes53 I thought James Files shot JFK. He confessed to the crime. So didn't Charles Harrelson. And then there are the 3 Corsicians who were named in film "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
You've got a bit of a problem on your hands. One crime, too many confessors.
autoad 1 year ago
Yes, exactly...one must use discernment and not just go with an interesting story. Another example is the book, "The Man Who Knew Too Much." I do not buy it.
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas I agree with you! I read that book and was amazed at the number of factual errors it contained.
autoad 1 year ago
I am still wondering about the legitimacy of the claim that some of the shooters were a three-member Corsican team, including Sarti. Supposedly, organized crime figures recruited them, so there'd be difficulty tracing them back to them (or to American intelligence agencies). I find this compelling, but am not sure that this is yet supported by the evidence. Can anyone here help with this?
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas I thought E. Howard Hunt was one of the shooters. No wait, it was Charles Harrelson! No wait, it was the 3 Corsicans! Gee whizz, I'm confused!! All these different people confessing to the same crime!!
autoad 1 year ago
Did you know that there was a secret military bunker fully manned by a secret military outfit in Dallas on the 22nd November 1963 and that the bunker was operational ONLY for the period of the assassination and its immediate aftermath? The bunker was dismantled the day after the assassination. Read Russ Baker's book "Family of Secrets" about George Bush Snr who was in Dallas on 22nd November 1963 and who was deeply involved in the assassination of JFK.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
Remember the Roscoe White diary that his son found and told the FBI and then it disappeared? Roscoe White was a Dallas cop who had only been on the job a month or two. I think it was in the diary that Roscoe was with Tippit and they had a part to play in the assassination, like taking Oswald to Red Bird Airport or something. Tippit got "cold feet" and tried to back out and White then shot him. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Humes53 1 year ago
@Humes53 I heard that story. Read Mathew Smith's two books The Second Plot and Say Goodbye To America. There is information in both books on Wayne January who owned and ran an airplane hire company at Red Bird Airfield. The actual airplane that was to fly Oswald out was left with its engine still running at Red Bird Airfield and some local people phoned in to a Dallas TV channel to complain of the noise the plane was making. This was AFTER the assassination.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton
Hard to separate the chaff from the wheat sometimes. If this January story is correct, obviously it applies to one of the "doubles. I also read somewhere...I think the Joan Mellen book, that Ferrie flew some people out of the country after the assassination, too.
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas David Ferrie was an accomplished pilot and may have had a role to play. It is known that Ferrie did secretly fly Carlos Marcello back into the USA after Bobby Kennedy had thrown Marcello out. Ferrie may have been in Dallas at some time on the 22nd November 1963. Maybe even at the time of the assassination
and may have been scheduled to fly the assassins out. Whether or not he did is not clear.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@drnovlamas Check out two videos on YouTube. Type "Robert Vinson Flight from Dallas".
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@Humes53 I tend to discount some of these claimed "principals" in the killing, including Roscoe White, Files and Harrelson.
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas The conspiracy was so big it is - as J.E. Hoover himself - "so monstrous that it is impossible to comprehend and if people knew about it, it would rock the USA to its very foundations." (Paraphrase)
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
I see no problem with this video...and Lanes' most recent book--"Plausiable Denial"--is terrific. Are you aware that David Atlee Phillips (AKA Maurice Bishop), in his presence, admitted that Oswald was never in Mexico City?
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas Good point. I did hear on Jim Fetzer's The Real Deal where Jim interviewed Mark Lane that Bishop in Mark Lanes' presence and in the presence of others had said: " Maybe some day the truth will come out that Oswald was NEVER in Mexico City."
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
I see no problem with this video...and his Lanes' most recent book is terrific. Are you aware that David Atlee Phillips, in his presence, admitted that Oswald was never in Mexico City?
drnovlamas 1 year ago
Any video with Mark Lane needs to viewed with great scepticism. He'a an opportunist just like Jean Hill.
autoad 1 year ago
@autoad And JUST like you!! LOL TROLL!! UGLY TOAD!!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton The only thing you seem to be able to do is make personal insults.
Well put me in my place!! Personal insults trump facts and logic everytime!
autoad 1 year ago
The guy who made this video needs to let me borrow it so that I can make it clean.
n0gar 1 year ago
@n0gar Could I borrow you?
I'd like to put you through my industrial burger meat grinder - legs first (so you can 'enjoy' the experience).
Whaddya say??
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton: You are a sick bastard. I guess I need to clarify myself for retards. "The guy who HOSTS this video needs to let me borrow the tape so that I can clean it up for him." You are not that guy so why respond?
n0gar 1 year ago
@n0gar I still want to put you through the industrial burger meat grinder - feet first.
You fucking shit sack!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton: I would ask you what you are mad about, but I am sure that you have meds to get a better understanding.
n0gar 1 year ago
@n0gar Spare me the lame "meds" crap and go fuck yourself!!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton: You must be a crazed maniac.
n0gar 1 year ago
@n0gar Well, thank you very much. That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.
Hey! Maybe you're not such a fucking asshole after all.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@n0gar "The guy who HOSTS this video needs to let me borrow the tape so that I can clean it up for him."
You fucking lying shit for brains needle dick!! You sick cunt!! What is there to clean up about this "video/tape"? Admit it! You're a fucking lying smart ass bastard asshole who has been caught out.
You're too fucking smart for your own good. Cocksucker!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@n0gar Maybe he figured out you are a racist coward and wanted to get rid of people like you.
LIONOFTHEBRAVE 1 year ago
This is another feeding station of Loonspirators.
autoad 1 year ago
@autoad It's the Toad! You still bitching about Jean Hill? Isn't it time you got over it and moved on?
How long are you going to have the hots for Jean, anyway? You are such a tiresome little runt!!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton Why don't you go soak your head somewhere?
I kicked you all around the place the other day. Are you a slow learner or a "no" learner?
autoad 1 year ago
@autoad I'll soak my head in your fucking pussy when it stops dripping blood.
You couldn't kick fuck around. You sexual deviant whore! LOL
Are you still jerking off to pictures of Jean Hill in her red coat??
You degenerate bitch!!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
Frank...I never said that LHO was one of the killers.
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@drnovlamas Okay. I apologize for the error. Thank you.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
Well said!!!
drnovlamas 1 year ago
The connection between JFK & Tippit is not just how Tippit looks similar to JFK. Tippit is THE key to the continued cover up. Tippit is Kennedy. For any conspiracy assassination of any president to succeed, you must explain & be prepared to show the nature of the murder. 3 shots (all that authorities are allowed to say). Front of head blown out (altered Z film). A cop near look-a-like, taking commands to be when & where you want him sacrificed.
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10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor
What is your evidence for this?
drnovlamas 1 year ago
@10Faenor Tippit was shot when he tried to arrest the Oswald double after Tippit was sent deliberately into the Oak Cliff area by someone in the DPD. It was not the person who radioed Tippit in his car but someone higher up. Tippit was sent to his death deliberately to create the idea that Oswald was a cop killer.
The idea that because Tippit resembled JFK has anything to do with the assassination is nonsense and a diversion! JFK had his own double. Why wasn't JFK's double shot?
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton Tippit never tried to arrest anyone. Oswald was not there. The WC star witness changed her story after being pressured and lied. She originally said the killer was "bushy haired - heavy - short". Same as another female Black witness who was threatened to shut up.
JD Tippit's family said he look much like JFK. His DPD friends called him Jack & Kennedy. JD stands for Jefferson Davis - a racist. Tippit hated JFK.
Tell me, did you see the JFK morgue table death photo? U need to see it
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor So. Can you explain what Officer Tippit was doing in Oak Cliff which was way out of his territory?
Tippit was sent into Oak Cliff after he had been given a description of Oswald. The Oswald double Tippit saw was sent there to entice Tippit into a confrontation in which Officer Tippit would be shot to death and the blame put on the real Oswald. After shooting Tippit the Oswald double then made his way to the Texas theater where the real Oswald was ALREADY!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@10Faenor Okay I agree the bushy haired guy MAY have shot Oswald. The bushy haired guy was the same man Roger Craig saw behind the wheel of the station wagon that collected the Oswald double from the TSBD at about 12:45 after the assassination and which people other than Craig witnessed. Officer Tippit may have hated JFK but what is your evidence for this? Yes.I have seen the Tippit morgue photo and while Tippit may have looked a bit like JFK in life, in death Officer Tippit did not.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@10Faenor If Tippit did not try to arrest anyone then why 1/ was he shot to death? and 2/ what was he doing in the Oak Cliff area in the first place? Also how do you explain the phone call Tippit either made/attempted to make or received in a record shop near where he was shot. it seems Tippit either rang someone or someone rang him in the record shop. What was this all about? I would be interested in your ideas on it.
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@10Faenor "Tippit never tried to arrest anyone. Oswald was not there" I agree with you!
Oswald was not there because he was already in the Texas theater BEFORE Officer Tippit was EVEN shot!!
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
@FrankCIanton Where do you clowns come up with this mis-information??
autoad 1 year ago
@autoad Clownsville - Where YOU live! You ugly fucking TOAD! Needeep! Needeep! Needeep! (that's the sound toads make). You TOAD! You still giving free blow jobs?
FrankCIanton 1 year ago
Oswald had no preference for LBJ over JFK. A patsy and conspiracy all the way.
Humes53 1 year ago
LHO left the TSBD by the rear entrance, hopped a bus, told several people in a loud voice that JFK just got wacked, got off the traffic-locked bus, got into a taxi & scooted back to the rooming house in Oak Cliffs.
If Craig saw LHO & a Rambler at/near the Grassy Knoll shortly after the shooting, then that makes the City Bus driver, 4 passengers who spoke with him, the taxi driver who took him across the Houston St. Viaduct, and his land-lady all liars.
This didn't happen in a vacuum, people!
10Feanor 1 year ago
the man seen by Craig couldnt be Oswald cos he would have been well on his way home. Mrs Paines car didnt have a luggage rack and she never let Oswald borrow it cos his driving was shockingly bad! If Oswald had been tried in court , he would fried long ago!!!!!! Rightly so!!
oxy430 1 year ago
@oxy430 Craig may have seen an Oswald double or lookalike. There were at least two Oswald doubles operating in Dallas on 11-22-63. The Oswald who shot Tippit may also have been an Oswald double who Tippit mistook for the real Oswald.
txIee1 1 year ago 2
@txIee1 Oswald's near double was Donald Wayne House. He drove a black Ford, mentioned on another video. A black Ford and another car were seen leaving the Gen walker shooting. Youtube video: d8-m7-W5pJ0
House looks like Oswald in appearance. Look at House beginning at about 1:05 on the film. Oswald can be seen later on the same video.
The connection between Oswald & House & Walker is made. There is also a connection between JFK & Tippit. Tippit;s DPD friends nicknamed him Jack. JFK's was Jack.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Hey, man! That's fantastic! Thanks for that piece of info.I never knew that! Thanks!! I knew Tippit's nickname was Jack because of his likeness to JFK.
Thanks again!
txIee1 1 year ago
@txIee1 (Continued from above)
Tippit MUST be sacrificed to fit the murder scenario. And what do you humans do with sacrificial animals? You honor them. It is Tippit who received the Presidential funeral parade. It is Tippit who is buried under the headstone John F Kennedy in Arlington cemetery. It is Tippit’s black haired head that you see on the morgue table in color under the name Kennedy.
Web search: Morningstar JFK. The hair sideburns give away the conspiracy. And JFK had brown hair.
10Faenor 1 year ago
Why would Oswald be working in the TSBD? Not the kind of job you might expect for an ex-military, highly political, "Marxist", with a security clearance. A defector or a CIA or FBI asset.
chrisdunn421 1 year ago
Oswald was given a job there at the TSBD in October '63. Oswald thought he was to participate in an activity to help AVOID the assassination. Oswald was a low level CIA employee. Oswald was associated with FBI man James Hosty and CIA bigwig David Atlee Phillips. Simply a patsy to take the blame for the coup d'etat. How could the truth ever come out with LBJ and Hoover (they were in on it) to cover everything up?
Humes53 1 year ago
@Humes53 If memory serves I think LHO started work in the TSBD on the 16th October 1963. The date of JFK's visit to Dallas - again if memory serves - was made public knowledge on the 13th September 1963. So the conspirators had LHO installed and working in the TSBD just over a month before the date of JFK's visit.
usuIkane 1 year ago
@Humes53
Yes, nicely phrased. And, how about that LBJ phone call to the /Dallas chief of police telling him, "You have your man!!" ??
drnovlamas 1 year ago
The CIA trained Lee Harvey Oswalt and then later ratted on him because it was easier to say a Communist did it because it was easy to believe.
FlawlessV212 1 year ago
@FlawlessV212 And, of course, the irony is that it was the CIA who built the fake communist persona of Oswald. Oswald was no communist. Personally I think the whole communist thing is a diversion. The simple truth is that Oswald didn't shoot ANYBODY!!
usuIkane 1 year ago
@usuIkane
He was part of a "false defector" program in Russia. This has been documented in such books as "JFK and the Unspeakable."
drnovlamas 1 year ago
Must be the only time in US history a "colored man" was categorically ruled out as a witness.
FarEastBeast 1 year ago
@FarEastBeast boo-hoo
reefergladness 1 year ago
@FarEastBeast ..not completely true, if you search for JFK witnesses here on youtube you will see and hear witnesses of any color, If I recall correct two or three where collegues of Oswald in the Dallas School Book Depository. But thinking more about your comment, I indeed do not find many colored witnesses along the route interviewed. There where a lot of Hispanic and African Americans along the route. In one interview, that woman with zapruder mentioned a couple sitting close by.
ricotermonen 1 year ago
Roger Craig, DPD, stated the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. All German Mauser rifles have the 7.65 stamp on the metal. It is well known that 7.65 is a German Mauser WWII weapon.
The 7.65 Mauser was correctly identified by all 3 cops in daylight, at the same time. No way to get that wrong.
Proof the 7.65 was identified correctly? All imported Italian Carcano 6.5mm rifles in 1963 were marked on the wood stock MADE ITALY-.
Cops can never miss seeing that.
Those words are not on any German rifle.
10Faenor 1 year ago 12
@10Faenor Excellent !! You tell it like it really is and don't let these morons get away with anything!!
usuIkane 1 year ago
@10Faenor: actually, all german mauser rifles have cal 7.92x57mm. so much for that.
Vollhirni 1 year ago
@Vollhirni actually, you have no clue.
Mauser designs were built for the German armed forces. Since the late 19th and early 20th centuries, military Mauser designs were also exported and licensed to a number of countries, as well as being a popular civilian firearm. The 89 Mauser entered service in 1940 with military units in Norway, Denmark, Holland and Belgium. All variations used the same 7,65 mm round-nosed cartridge.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor there is also a film of the Mauser.
It was a Mauser that was first found.
presorted5678 1 year ago
@10Faenor
Good point. I understand that there were three rifles found...talk about Top Flight detective work!!
drnovlamas 1 year ago
I watched a series of videos called Evidence of Revision. Its quit amazing to see the cover up unfold right before the eyes of America. All of them can be found on my profile. If you concider yourself a student of this tragic event it is an absolute must watch!!
DrinkingwFish 2 years ago 2
@DrinkingwFish its ok.
ChristianHolloway 1 year ago
hey guys calm down, smoke a fatty or something...u dont really want to debate me on this topic, trust me........
migo53333 2 years ago
@migo53333 Get back across the Rio Grande
where you belong! And no more fucking dumb ass comments from you in here! Shape up or ship out, asshole!!!
HardDoor 2 years ago
@HardDoor....what does that have to do with the Topic?
FGTFJT 2 years ago
Last thing I heard about YOU ...etc., etc.
I'm so fucking angry!! Doh!!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
What is the song (the singer?) in the beginning? Does anybody know, please. Beautiful song. Thanks kindly.
prajna8 2 years ago
Further, read what any and all witnesses said On The Day they were interviewed by Authorities - not what they said weeks, months or even years later.
This is key to understanding how stories change over time - for whatever motivation.
A star example is obviously Jean Hill.
Aside from this, the overwhelming physical evidence against LHO re: Tippet cannot be minimized or ignored.
Who cares if Tippet was a philandering alcoholic gambler with shady connexions? LHO killed him.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Read what you are saying. you telling me to believe what the witnesses said to the FBI, Secret Service etc. Its called Intimidation. If you have ever been are any type of City, State or Federal Authorities , they do this in order to get what that want to hear. they are not always right. There have been several cases were witnesses were told what to say and if they thought anything else they were wrong and its not how it happen. The evidence of LHO acting along is weak.
FGTFJT 2 years ago
In most cases I would probably agree - no question. But read the actual transcripts of the witness reports. Most of the 'talk' is from the witnesses themselves and the remarks are hardly prompted by interviewers.
Now read the statements that many of these same folks made later. Some of the fabulous allegations don't line up with the original. When were they coerced?
The stories that Haven't changed should be focused on. There are many.
Be advised, sonny: Patronize me at your peril.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Let me ask you this. I take it that you were born before the late 60s.. am I correct? I am sure you are one of those Americans who thinks the government would never lie to their people about anything. Especially the murder of our own president.
LOL.. you telling me to read the actual transcripts? give me a break. They couldnt even keep or produce the transcripts of LHO or the notes the FBI, Secret Service took while questioning LHO. why? Oh let me see. they forgot !! give me by boots!
FGTFJT 2 years ago 2
I was born before the 60's.
I'm from the Gen that asked all the hard questions of our Gov't, died in wars of money & consolidation, & saw the fight for equal/civil rights come to what it has.
My Gen put 12 men on the Moon.
Your Gen put GW Bush in the White House. Twice.
It's BeCause of my Gen that you're able to question things.
Not everything is a conspiracy, son. You're looking down a long, very narrow tube at a grainy snapshot. The world - then & now - is much bigger than that.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
i figured you were. you are to set in your on ways of thinking to change your mind. you have been brought up to think that things happen because "oops' they just happen. your Gen killed Several Leaders and everytime they were killed buy some crazy nut. your are right no everything is a conspiracy but you have to widen your road and views and step out of the box. My Gen didnt put GW Bush, you can give that to Your Gen. we have not had a president for the People since JFK.
FGTFJT 2 years ago
Your Gen. were involved in wars that did not have to happen there were reasons behind it. Much to gain and lose. Every persident after JFK were about as useless as tits on a boar.none of them did any good. nothing but wars.your gen did ask questions, but not all were thinking the same. MY Gen ask the tuff question that were not dared to be asked back in your day. Thats why more Americans are waking up to the Corruption and lying by our govt. heck over 75% think it was more then one gunman.
FGTFJT 2 years ago
@10Feanor
Really patronizing. I'm the same generation as you and you're full of shit! You're looking out of your ass and have been all your life. Broaden your horizons for a change! Open up your sphincter and take a good dump! Not everything is a conspiracy but some things definitely are! Like the murder of JFK by a bunch of treasonous reprobates sponsored by your Gen! Why the capital 'G' by the way?
Time you woke up and smelled the coffee,boy!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
I was also around to read "Rush To Judgement" when it came out. It was considered the Bible for CTers for many years.
Fortunately, Mark Lane is, as has been true for many years now, seen as a total money-grubbing charlatan who also based all he 'knew' on what other sensationalists said.
Craig has been discredited for almost as long.
Mrs Paine's Rambler never left Irving, & where are the pictures of LHO 'Running down the Slope'? When did he do this?
Your skewed beliefs are 40 years out-of-date.
10Feanor 2 years ago
Anyway, pictures came out of Sheriff Craig that he was exactly where he said he was at the time, both in Dealey Plaza and outside the interrogation room where Oz was questioned. The treatment of Craig a decorated lawman, fired because he talked to Garrison's DA is disgraceful. On positive note, 10Feanor your old enough to remember when the book came out, maybe your'll be dead soon and you won't be posting.
TrueNovice 2 years ago
@TrueNovice Well said!!
usuIkane 1 year ago
@10Feanor No. you're out of date (no hyphens), pal. Mark Lane is a man of integrity and your libelous remarks are actionable. You should not let your obvious hatred of Mark Lane cloud your already poor judgment. Roger Craig has NOT been discredited and neither has Mark Lane been discredited. There is a picture taken by James Dillard showing the events described the late Roger Craig. As for your outrageous remark regarding the movements of the Nash Rambler - they are beneath contempt!
usuIkane 1 year ago
@usuIkane
Unfortunately sir, you have failed to check the spelling of my user-name. No offense taken.
There is a prankster among us who likes to mimic or mock some of the more informed members of this and other JFK forums in hopes that he can discredit what we really say.
It's really the lowest form of flattery, truth to tell.
Best wishes,
The Real Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor I do apologize, sir. I had no intention to offend or upset you any way shape or form. I do see now that there is a certain juxtaposition of the letters 'a' and 'e' which I had not noticed before. On closer inspection I can see clearly what you mean. Again, I apologize and thank you for your understanding.
I bid you good day, sir.
usuIkane 1 year ago
@usuIkane
Absolutely no need to apologize - it could have happened to anyone.
In the past many of these fellows have inverted, not only letters in names, but entire ID's. Kind of infantile if you think about it.
Oh well - no harm/no foul.
I am sure we would differ in our opinions re: The JFK killing, but as you have shown, it's possible to be civil in the exchange.
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor You're welcome!
usuIkane 1 year ago
Who cares that LHO defected to the Soviet Union, who cares he was in the Marines. oh and he so happen to have a job at the TSBD. where are the pictures of Oswald taking the shots ? oh but there is overwhelming evidence of him acting alone. like the paraffin test... which tested negative on his face but positive on his hands. wouldnt you think it would have came back Positive if he fired the rifle. let me get my boots because the S@*%t is getting high
FGTFJT 2 years ago
What was Oswald of all people doing in the TSBD? Probably put there by the CIA to be the ideal fall guy for the assassination. Oswald knew nothing about the assassination. He was a patsy! Set up by the CIA aided by the FBI. The whole thing stinks! Oswald didn't shoot anybody! No sir!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago 20
@Mobilecheese he worked there.....
migo53333 2 years ago
@migo53333 You dickhead!! I know he worked, there! You fucking moron!! The question is WHY and HOW he got a job there and WHO put him there!. Why don't you get your head out of your fucking ass and THINK before you open that fucking mouth of yours?!! Mi amigo! Chinga su madre! Maricon!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
@Mobilecheese Oswald was a FBI informant on the CIA's covert training camps for cuban militants.. the CIA set him up as a patsy to insult the FBI and warn Hoover about such underhanded dealings.
gtonehimself 1 year ago
@gtonehimself