and while germany is still paying jews and helping them to forfill their debt from the second WW, russia would rather die than admit what they've done, in Katyn its the same, they still blame the germans for killing the polish officers
Can you believe that now there are so called Russian "Nationalists" that admire this monster called Stalin? Misguided youths have taken Lenin, Stalin and even the psychopathic mass murderer Mao Tse Tung as icons of a new fad called 'national bolshevism', a punkish infantile way to justify Marxism, even from the point of view of the pseudo-Right wing politics.
It would inspire another fishy thing known as the holocaust, the truth of it was judged indisputable enough that many countries made numerous censorship laws to protect it from inquiry.
@ukerkater I can tell u r a good soul~I wish you well~I Am in a much different state of mind & knowledge~I have Righteous Anger & @ this stage of things I expect a helluva lot mor out of God & the "Higher Angels/Beings"~Thoz who hav powers 2 do sumthing bout all this & dont r bastard spirits~We need The Knowledge of how 2 use our Soul Abilities, how 2 use them as defensive weapons & how 2 stop direct energy weapons be'g used on us~U see God culd do alot mor, but doesnt so who has failed us?!
Cont.. The book talks about Korenization and its eventual and sudden withdrawal as Stalin began to despise Ukrainian nationalism sensing the Ukrainian population as a danger to the Soviet state. Norman Naimark also provides academic evidence for the Holodomor. I'm curious, do Russians commemorate the victims of famine since they like to present the case that they were also vicitms? If not, why not? Ukrainians do so at the end of November.
cont--Furthermore, I was not referring to Rosefielde's article that you mention. I was referring to the book Red Holocaust--Some parts are on line but it can be found quite readily. I disagree with the use of the word "Holocaust', but other than that this book make some compelling points. Also check The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and nationalism in the Soviet Union ... By Terry Martin, Terry Dean Martin.
Cont...Your method is narrow in that you are searching for one statement or a specific document that cites reasons for the famine. I think that the issue must be examined in a wholisitic way. You must consider that many of those people who provide consistent anecdotal evidence were model Soviet citizen's--many fought in the Red Army, but curiously their stories can be corroborated with those who are emigrants. I don't see an ulterior motive in the testimony of an eighty year old.
@ukerkater Oh my... If it is the case, I want to see the statistics; In other words, I want to see that the anecdotes are large in number, well documented, and academically scrutinized. You have pointed me towards Rosefield's work and I haven't found ANYTHING that makes him suggest that the famine was a deliberate plan. I will have a look at the book you mention; But so far your case is academically unrigorous at best.
Sorry if I sound upset, I'm quite tired at the moment, and have a cold.
@Scientisticsoviet Its not really to label something academically unrigorous before you have looked at it. I also sense that no matter what is presented, you will not accept that the famine was orchestrated by Stalin. I on the other hand cannot be convinced of your position.
@ukerkater I have looked at Rosefields papers so far; And yes I am willing, the evidence presented thus far has simply been extremely inadequate in showing that the famine in Ukraine in the 1930s was deliberately planned by the Soviet government.
At best the conclusion I can reach THUS FAR is that there was a famine in the USSR in the early 1930s that claimed the lives of between 2 and 6 million people, and was due to a combination of drought, poor infrastructure & haphazard economic planning.
what's going on in Ukraine today? - IMF, World financial mafia (as they do it everywhere in the World, - in Island, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and so on...) corrupt local polititians and made with them funny schemes, then they impose on country insane debt which they want to collect from our small enterpreneurs and other defenseless people!
unfortunately for the memory of our people and unfortunately for this subject, - it was used by yuschenko, who was a banker in the 90th, when we were robbed with 5-6 hyperinflations 300% each of them! can you imagine hyperinflation 300%? and we had 5-6 of them in the 90th when yuschenko was a banker!
may be you don't understand what is a hyperinflation? it is when you want to eat and you have nothing to eat because without money you can't buy any food and without any any money you cant buy any any food!
think, why yuschenko (representative of World Bank and IMF in Ukraine) talked about Golodomor?! and why World Bank and IMF (and their puppets in USA and British governments) need it?
- they are the co-owners of the Military Industrial Complex, they sell weapons and drag people into the conflicts with each other to sell more of their weapons.
Організатри голодомору Сталін (Джугашвілі) Вінокуров Олександр Ягода Генріх (Єнох) Балицький Всеволод Раденс Станіслав Францович Леонюк Хома Миронов (Каган) Лев Григорович Кацнельсон Зиновій Камінський Яків Зельманович Букшпан Михайло Маркович Друскіс Франц Семенович Іванівський (Гібшман) Ізраїль Давидович Каганович Лазар Мойсейович Молотов В списку багато євреїв які були ідеолологами комунізму Тепер зрозуміло чому Ізраїль не визнає голодомору
Statistics and archival data can be used in many ways to prove a thesis and Wheatcroft and Taugers conclusions are debatable. Refer to Rosefielde, Adam Jones...Raphael Lemkin who coined the word genocide clearly connected it to the Holodomor. Gareth Jones was an eyewitness to the horror. Historians are important in discerning historical fact, but conclusions of historians can be debated. One cannot ignore consistent anecdotal evidence in favour of a statistics only approach.
@ukerkater I would debate the validity and consistency of the anecdotal evidence, which on it's own would not be enough to convince me. And I doubt by eyewitness, he was omniscient and could view all that was happening.
The are issues with the ideas deliberate subversion of Ukraine; First that the famine did not affect just Ukraine, it also spanned all the way to east Kazakhstan; Second that if the Soviets goal was rapid industrialization, that a planned famine seriously hurt that goal...
@ukerkater (continued from other post) in that it would reduce the amount of labor one could transfer to industry as agricultural output improved.
Finally, if one argues that the archives, which were kept secret for the entire Soviet era, are deliberately falsified (which would be extremely odd), then you do indeed restrict yourself to anecdotal evidence, which is problematic, given that the people interviewed could have personal agendas, or simply be so heavily influenced by the tragedy of
@ukerkater (continue, part 2) famine itself that they would consider, purely by emotional overwhelm, was indeed some deliberate plot. The anecdote is difficult to accept unless one has a well distributed and large sample, and takes into account the archival documents, as well as now published correspondences, from the archives, between the high leves of the politburo members.
@Scientisticsoviet --Soviets had a broader agenda apart from industrialization. Document falsification and destruction are a common occurrence in totalitarian states--and the anecdotal evidence IS broad and well distributed.Archival documents and activity surrounding the treatment of kulaks support the fact that they impeded collectivization.Soviets replaced non compliant Ukrainians with compliants Russians and this famine ensured at least the appearance of compliance from those who survived.
@ukerkater I guess what then remains is for you to show me the data, as well as the relevant explanations grounded in the various data on why the scholars I mentioned are misguided in their work.
@ukerkater Oki, I'm having a bit of trouble here; I'm reading some of Rosefielde work, but the issue is that the points of debate with wheatcroft are mostly related to the issue of the number of deaths, the difference being 3-4 million for Wheatcroft and 5-6 for Rosefielde, over the the entire cccp.
The problem is that both of them seem to work with archival sources, to which you deny any credibility.
Also, I'm having trouble finding the papers in which he says the famine was planned.
@clintlamma First, the archives aren't mine; They property of the respective governments of Russia and Ukraine. Second, academic consensus, which quite beyond realpolitik inspired Jabbering of all government parties involved, is quite tilted towards non-planned; even cold warriors such as Conquest agree on this. Further, upon investigating Rosefiled's work, I have yet to come across an argument that suggests that the famine was planned; Ukertaker has also conveniently become quiet on the issue.
@Scientisticsoviet I don't deny the credibility of archival sources, but I do have issues with the interpretation of these sources. (By the way the numbers debate IS important and a couple of MILLION people either way is a huge differential especially when you consider the short time span for these deaths to occur.) This demonstrates that archival sources are not a definitive proff but rather an interpretation. I think that Rosefield is more credible.
@Scientisticsoviet like I said it demonstrates that archival sources are not definitive proof. Number and stats are up for interpretation and can be presented differently for different contexts and motives.
@ukerkater Understood; But I simply want to see that the anecdotes are significant enough statistically for me to take them seriously. Otherwise it's just like dosing or homeopathy; i.e compelling anecdote but scientifically false.
@Scientisticsoviet One place that you should check out, anecdotally accurate or not to your liking, are the books of Douglas Reed, especially "The Controversy of Zion." There you will read of a first person account of the Zionist-Bolshevik-Kazar-Criminal Jews and what they did to Russia, with the help of the Jew (check it out) FDR to the USA's eternal shame. Realize that that is what they have in store for all of you Goyim!
@ukerkater Also I must ask why they would go through the trouble of falsifying documents just to keep them secret afterwords; It seems extremely odd to me...
@Scientisticsoviet part 2--Submissive individuals make good Soviet citizens. So through genocide Stalin and his cronies not only ensured that they seized the rich land that was needed for the state, but they also engendered the complacency that was needed to perpetuate the success of the state. You don't have to look too hard to see that people were expendible in the USSR.
@Scientisticsoviet Secrecy and falsification are techniques of totalitarian states. The two go hand in hand. Smoke and mirrors to present the State in a favourable light.
@ukerkater Sounds like du n'importe quoi to me; Especially when we look at hand written correspondences from the high level politburo members. But without those stats, we are hard pressed to extrapolate on the basis of anecdotal evidence. In any case, I will have a look into Rosefielde's work.
@ukerkater What you so coldly calculate is about to happen in the USA. All real production of manufactured goods, the jobs, the factories, are gone, bought by the money tyrannts and shipped overseas. This was the last bastion of Christendom and it is now broken, only a miracle can save it from a Holodomor.
Consider this quotation from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934: "Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetska ia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572 А это второй.The truth will always emerge, no matter how it is twisted.
Consider this quotation from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934: "Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetska ia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572 А это второй.
The truth will always emerge, no matter how it is twisted.
By the way, I do not dislike Russians as a group. I have many Russian friends here in Canada, we celebrate Orthodox holidays together and share many cultural similarities. Being outside of Ukraine and Russia, we are quite culturally distinct. I do though have major issues with Russians who try to suppress Ukrainian history, language and culture or try to minimize its distinct nature. This is nothing but arrogance and ignorance.
Głód prawda! ale manipulacja na filmie aż razi! Więcej ofiar było w Kazachstanie-i komunizm co by o nim nie mówić absolutnie nie rozróżniał narodowości-Stalin-Gruzin=Lenin-Zyd=Dziezrzynski-Polski Zyd....takie filmiki są zbyt tendencyjne bo dziś na terenach wschodniej nikt nie ma pretensji do Rosji natomiast na zachodniej u-krainie gdzie żyli dostatnio organizowane są rocznice głodomoru natomiast sami złapali za siekiery i zarąbali setki tysiecy dzieci i kobiet Polaków i o tym cisza
@FalconfromRF Perhaps, but you really don't know me. If you are referring to the fact that I have not had to suppress what happened to my people, then you are correct. My family history is not null and void because members of my family were captured by the Germans and could not return. These horror stories do not only exist in diaspora but are a part of those who survived the Holodomor and reside in Ukraine. Unfortunately we are tied together by this horror that Stalin orchestrated.
My father survived the Holodomor. He always said that people will never believe what horrors happened and it disgusts me that the current Ukrainian and Russian governments minimize the scale and intent of what happened. I think that we Ukrainians also have to remember that we were betrayed by the complacent Allied powers as they sat silently, watching Stalin, their ally, systematically destroy his people.
Indeed a terrible crime, though it is a product of the CPSU at that time, not so much of Communist ideals in themselves. The famine was used to punish the peasants for their engagement in resistance movements in the preceeding years and to impede such movements in the future.
Молотов несет личную ответственность за голод на Украине, унесший миллионы жизней. Он активно участвовал в организации "большого террора" 1937-1938. С 1939 В 1930-1932 выезжал в различные районы страны в качестве чрезвычайного уполномоченного во время хлебозаготовок,В 1921 Вячеслав Молотов женился на Полине Семёновне Жемчужиной, настоящее имя — Перл Семёновна Карповская, еврейка по национальности. ...75% евреев – было в числе большевиков [«Лондон Таймс», 5 марта 1919 года].
А ЧОМУ їЗРАІЛЬ не признаЄ А ОД чому Ягода Генріх (Єнох) Григорович Миронов (Каган) Лев Григорович Кацнельсон Зиновій Борисович КАГАНОВИЧ Друскіс Франц Семенович Іванівський (Гібшман) Ізраїль Давидович ЦЕ ЛЮДИ ЯКІ ТВОРИЛИ ГОЛОДОмор ЯЖ СВІТ ПОДИВИТЬСЯ НА ЦЕ ЩО 90 ПРОЦ КЕРІВНИЦТВА ЄВРЕЇ Френкель Нафталий Аронович , один из создателей ГУЛАГа, як машини для знищиння Если для власти нужно, чтоб тебя боялись, - пусть боятся", - писали о нем в книге
@LFTArg TO ALL, PLEASE READ,'EXECUTION BY HUNGER~THE HIDDEN HOLOCAUST" by Miron Dolot, where over 10 million people located in the breadbasket of Europe (UKRAINE) were deliberately starved to death at Stalin's command + Staff (Boleshevik Jews-Stalin, too). This book was written 25 years ago! THIS STORY HAS BEEN SUPPRESSED FOR OVER 75 YEARS! BOLESHEVIK JEWS ARE RESPONSIBLE-RUSSIANS!!
Why is it that this Jew/Communist geocide committed on the Indo-Europeans of Ukraine not deemed important enough to mention in the history books? Is the 11million that were butchered by the Jews not worthy of a mention in History?No we are only allowed to hear of the few hundred thousand Jews that died in camps in WW2 which maraculously becomes 6 million.Pathetic.Awaken from Jewish mind control!
Юридическая комиссия Парламентской Ассамблеи Совета Европы одобрила внесенные представителем Великобритании поправки к докладу и проекту резолюции о голоде в СССР, предложив признать его Голодомором и геноцидом украинского народа.
Kyiv Court of Appeal : the cumulative losses of Ukraine due to the Holodomor come up to 10 million 63 thousand people (3,941 thousand dead, and 6,122 thousand unborn).
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Ukrainians are constantly increasing number of victims of this unreal genocide... They started their accusiations from 5-6 millions... Now they say, that died 10 millions... Some even allege about 15 millions... In 20 years they will say about 20-30 millions? In 40 years - about 60 millions?
Great propaganda! Ukrainians learn from Armenians!
the communist jews orchestrated the murders of perhaps 35 million USSR dissidents such as armenians, ukrainians, poles and christians. In the past the jews created the exodus hoax to demonize the egyptians and camouflage jewish wickedness. The jewish holocaust hoax aims to demonize the Germans and camouflage recent jewish wickedness such as the 1600 to 1888 West African slave trade, the Congo, the Holodomor, Poland, USSR gulag camps, Palestinian apartheid and South African apartheid.
in that case, if your people died too, let's convict the biggest criminals in history - the commies - together. commies have to be judged and to be held responsible!
Contrary to the Ukrainian version of this history, Russians died, too. These events are tragedy of Russians, Ukrainians and Kazakhs. The so-called "Ukrainian genocide" recognized almost only by states, which against Russia."
Will Communists apologize for their crimes some day?Or will they keep on giving lessons of democracy and human rights?Anyway homage to Ukraine and their deads.
My great garandma told me how soviets were taking food away everyday n killed everyone who was hiding it, and how they beated her up for not speaking russian n not giving pledge to atheist communism, she was a Christian Ukrainian, Anna Kiseleva .
do Jews think Germany owes them money ? the precedent is set. there can't be one path and truth for the Jewish people and another for the Ukrainian poeple. The holocaust set an unrevokable precedent.
Great video representation. You know, more awareness should be spread about the severity of this event because the UN is allowing Russia to deny this was a genocide and it's time someone revealed why it should be called genocide and not just a natural catastrophe...by showing officials this video...if possible.
How can you say that when you now know so much about Joseph Stalin's tyranny over Russia? Think about it: He set up a totalitarian state where no one had any rights and he, along with other officials, instituted the forced collectivization of grain away from these starving peseants. I learned about this stuff in a public school history textbook and by saying we shouldn't call this a genocide, you are alleging that there's a government conspiracy to cover up the truth about this event. Get real!!
I was responding to the comment made by "ronjiort" here, who alleged that this famine was not a genocide. Go ahead and someone try to find me proof otherwise. Post me some links to go to otherwise, I'll stick with reality. Anyone have a second opinion? Hmmm?....
Horshit response by a Russian Nazi. Ukrainians language and culture was plundered during Soviet times. There was a famine outside Ukraine, but there was only one genocide. In Ukraine the famine was used to it's maximum to destroy Ukrainians and to usher in ethnic Russians in their place. One only has to visit a city like Kharkiv, where the Ukrainian culture flourished in the early 20th century, only for it today to be a fortress for Russian inbreeds, who can't speak a lick of Ukrainian.
shut the hell up. My family died so that russian fat cats could live. Protected culture. Have you ever been to Ukraine? All radio, newpaper, and television is in Russian. Half of the country speaks Russian. Russia spent 70 years trying to destroy Ukraine and it's people and culture. Yes there was a widespread famine, but it was instigated by the Russian government. Russia has no leg to stand on. They have always exploited Ukraine because of the better natural resources.
I'm sorry your family died. If its any constalation Im trying to read up as much as I can about the Ukrainian famine, AT least know theres one person out in the world who hasnt forgotten the atrocties the russians committed.
@austrianviking The evidence of an deliberately planned famine is rather lackluster. Consider looking up Wheatcroft and Taugers for their works on the subject, where they used now available archival evidence.
@Scientisticsoviet --lackluster, really? A remarkably consistent account of the situation emerges from survivors, both in Ukraine and those who left. I don't see how this consistency could be coincidental. The Soviet propaganda machine will not eradicate memory. I am not sure why Russians see mention f the Holodomor as offensive or an affront. Ukrainians resisted Communism and atheism and paid dearly
@ukerkater Evidence of DELIBERATELY PLANNED FAMINE is lackluster. Of course famine happened. Even Robert Conquest, a cold warrior historian, admits that one can no longer accept that conclusion. Again I would suggest looking up Taugers as well as Wheatcroft who have worked on the subject using archival data.
Also remember that anecdote is not good source of evidence, both in social science and in science in general.
@Scientisticsoviet-- The quotation cited below provides some evidence of intent. The famine did not occur in isolation--other policies also pointed to an intentional destruction of Ukrainian national sentiment. I agree anecdotal evidence in itself is not reliable, but it is the consistency of anecdotal evidence despite geography and time that informs history. Soviets were very good at constructing reality and part of that construction involved destruction of evidence and documents.
@Scientisticsoviet Now the Zionist controlled Russian-Sovietj-Communist government admits responsibility for the Katyn Forest murders, Polish officers and civil leaders shot in the back of the head! Cowardly Bolsheviks! The Kikel Conspirators embarked from New York funded by Warburg and sent by sealed boxcar through Germany to overthrow the Russian Monarchy. Read Douglas Reed!!
@austrianviking "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reed is the, for the most part, first hand report of Bolshevik-Khazar-Jews that, with the help of many Zionist-Rothshield agents DESTROYED the Russian monarchy because the Czar sent his navy to help A. Lincoln during the unCivil War in America. Come here to the land of regathered Jacob-Israel promised by God. JESUS was not a jew, the jews are not israel, they are not the chosen of God. Read Rev 2:9 and 3:9. Ten read of their fate in Obadiah.
Stalin- a georgian Jew. His last name( Dzhugashvilli) means Jew from the village in Georgian. His roots line in Portugal, from where many Sephardic Jews emigrated.
Malenkov- Had Jewish roots.
Kruschev- ethnic Russian born in Ukraine.
Brezhne- ethnic Russian born in Ukraine
Andropov- Jewish
Chernenko- Father was Kuban Cossack, mother had German Jewish roots.
Gorbachev- likely a Russified Ukrainian( unconfirmed). Was born and bred in Russia.
The Holodmor was organized and implemented mostly by Russian and Ukrainian Jews- Trotsky( Bronstein), Kaganovych( Cohen) and Stalin( Dzhugashvilli). The Jews had always wanted to make a homeland in the lush and rich Ukrainian lands, that gave them the food they eat( babkas etc), their culture- Hava Nagila is based on a Ukrainian folk song, and was the birth place of Zionism. Their goal was to eliminate the Ukrainian population.
Thank you. At least someone here agrees with my view that the Ukrainian famine was a genocide, "Ronjiort." By the way, where did you get this information from? Is it credible information?
Hi, I am very interested in collecting folk songs. When I heard Hava Nagila I thought this is an eastern european song, but I cannot find the original song. Do you have a link to the original?
"Hava Nagila" (הבה נגילה in Hebrew) is a Hebrew folk song, the title meaning "let us rejoice". It is a song of celebration, especially popular amongst Jewish and Roma communities, and is a staple of band performers at Jewish festivals.
The melody was taken from a Ukrainian folk song from Bukovina.
lord of the rings???
Hatty172 2 weeks ago in playlist Genocide
Stalin was just as despicable as Hitler...............
1957thack 7 months ago
Informative vid, writing's a bit small though. Disregard the trolls, they seem to be on anything that criticizes russia & probably paid.
ChorltonBloke 9 months ago
and while germany is still paying jews and helping them to forfill their debt from the second WW, russia would rather die than admit what they've done, in Katyn its the same, they still blame the germans for killing the polish officers
philipsthebest 10 months ago
the only genocide the world is interested in should be in africa, ukraine isn't interesting enough for them
philipsthebest 10 months ago
WHY IS THE HOLODOMOR FORBIDDEN HISTORY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM NOT THAT THE DIASPORA GIVE A FUCKING SHIT??////
CO3EPC 10 months ago
Because the gestapo invented it.
Fridaey13txhOktober 9 months ago
Can you believe that now there are so called Russian "Nationalists" that admire this monster called Stalin? Misguided youths have taken Lenin, Stalin and even the psychopathic mass murderer Mao Tse Tung as icons of a new fad called 'national bolshevism', a punkish infantile way to justify Marxism, even from the point of view of the pseudo-Right wing politics.
mirarostodo 1 year ago
Fact is, the hollowdomore was a myth.
youtube.com/watch?v=h_Qu5XHZBGs
It would inspire another fishy thing known as the holocaust, the truth of it was judged indisputable enough that many countries made numerous censorship laws to protect it from inquiry.
Fridaey13txhOktober 9 months ago
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HigherWaysWoman 1 year ago
@HigherWaysWoman Above all, God gave us free will. God is with us. We abandoned Him.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater I can tell u r a good soul~I wish you well~I Am in a much different state of mind & knowledge~I have Righteous Anger & @ this stage of things I expect a helluva lot mor out of God & the "Higher Angels/Beings"~Thoz who hav powers 2 do sumthing bout all this & dont r bastard spirits~We need The Knowledge of how 2 use our Soul Abilities, how 2 use them as defensive weapons & how 2 stop direct energy weapons be'g used on us~U see God culd do alot mor, but doesnt so who has failed us?!
HigherWaysWoman 1 year ago
FUCK COMMIES!
Theyneed420 1 year ago 2
Cont.. The book talks about Korenization and its eventual and sudden withdrawal as Stalin began to despise Ukrainian nationalism sensing the Ukrainian population as a danger to the Soviet state. Norman Naimark also provides academic evidence for the Holodomor. I'm curious, do Russians commemorate the victims of famine since they like to present the case that they were also vicitms? If not, why not? Ukrainians do so at the end of November.
ukerkater 1 year ago
cont--Furthermore, I was not referring to Rosefielde's article that you mention. I was referring to the book Red Holocaust--Some parts are on line but it can be found quite readily. I disagree with the use of the word "Holocaust', but other than that this book make some compelling points. Also check The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and nationalism in the Soviet Union ... By Terry Martin, Terry Dean Martin.
ukerkater 1 year ago
Cont...Your method is narrow in that you are searching for one statement or a specific document that cites reasons for the famine. I think that the issue must be examined in a wholisitic way. You must consider that many of those people who provide consistent anecdotal evidence were model Soviet citizen's--many fought in the Red Army, but curiously their stories can be corroborated with those who are emigrants. I don't see an ulterior motive in the testimony of an eighty year old.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Oh my... If it is the case, I want to see the statistics; In other words, I want to see that the anecdotes are large in number, well documented, and academically scrutinized. You have pointed me towards Rosefield's work and I haven't found ANYTHING that makes him suggest that the famine was a deliberate plan. I will have a look at the book you mention; But so far your case is academically unrigorous at best.
Sorry if I sound upset, I'm quite tired at the moment, and have a cold.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Its not really to label something academically unrigorous before you have looked at it. I also sense that no matter what is presented, you will not accept that the famine was orchestrated by Stalin. I on the other hand cannot be convinced of your position.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater I have looked at Rosefields papers so far; And yes I am willing, the evidence presented thus far has simply been extremely inadequate in showing that the famine in Ukraine in the 1930s was deliberately planned by the Soviet government.
At best the conclusion I can reach THUS FAR is that there was a famine in the USSR in the early 1930s that claimed the lives of between 2 and 6 million people, and was due to a combination of drought, poor infrastructure & haphazard economic planning.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
what's going on in Ukraine today? - IMF, World financial mafia (as they do it everywhere in the World, - in Island, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and so on...) corrupt local polititians and made with them funny schemes, then they impose on country insane debt which they want to collect from our small enterpreneurs and other defenseless people!
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
unfortunately for the memory of our people and unfortunately for this subject, - it was used by yuschenko, who was a banker in the 90th, when we were robbed with 5-6 hyperinflations 300% each of them! can you imagine hyperinflation 300%? and we had 5-6 of them in the 90th when yuschenko was a banker!
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
may be you don't understand what is a hyperinflation? it is when you want to eat and you have nothing to eat because without money you can't buy any food and without any any money you cant buy any any food!
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
think, why yuschenko (representative of World Bank and IMF in Ukraine) talked about Golodomor?! and why World Bank and IMF (and their puppets in USA and British governments) need it?
- they are the co-owners of the Military Industrial Complex, they sell weapons and drag people into the conflicts with each other to sell more of their weapons.
777Simsalabim 1 year ago
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Організатри голодомору Сталін (Джугашвілі) Вінокуров Олександр Ягода Генріх (Єнох) Балицький Всеволод Раденс Станіслав Францович Леонюк Хома Миронов (Каган) Лев Григорович Кацнельсон Зиновій Камінський Яків Зельманович Букшпан Михайло Маркович Друскіс Франц Семенович Іванівський (Гібшман) Ізраїль Давидович Каганович Лазар Мойсейович Молотов В списку багато євреїв які були ідеолологами комунізму Тепер зрозуміло чому Ізраїль не визнає голодомору
taras2802 1 year ago
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ukerkater 1 year ago
Statistics and archival data can be used in many ways to prove a thesis and Wheatcroft and Taugers conclusions are debatable. Refer to Rosefielde, Adam Jones...Raphael Lemkin who coined the word genocide clearly connected it to the Holodomor. Gareth Jones was an eyewitness to the horror. Historians are important in discerning historical fact, but conclusions of historians can be debated. One cannot ignore consistent anecdotal evidence in favour of a statistics only approach.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater I would debate the validity and consistency of the anecdotal evidence, which on it's own would not be enough to convince me. And I doubt by eyewitness, he was omniscient and could view all that was happening.
The are issues with the ideas deliberate subversion of Ukraine; First that the famine did not affect just Ukraine, it also spanned all the way to east Kazakhstan; Second that if the Soviets goal was rapid industrialization, that a planned famine seriously hurt that goal...
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@ukerkater (continued from other post) in that it would reduce the amount of labor one could transfer to industry as agricultural output improved.
Finally, if one argues that the archives, which were kept secret for the entire Soviet era, are deliberately falsified (which would be extremely odd), then you do indeed restrict yourself to anecdotal evidence, which is problematic, given that the people interviewed could have personal agendas, or simply be so heavily influenced by the tragedy of
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@ukerkater (continue, part 2) famine itself that they would consider, purely by emotional overwhelm, was indeed some deliberate plot. The anecdote is difficult to accept unless one has a well distributed and large sample, and takes into account the archival documents, as well as now published correspondences, from the archives, between the high leves of the politburo members.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet --Soviets had a broader agenda apart from industrialization. Document falsification and destruction are a common occurrence in totalitarian states--and the anecdotal evidence IS broad and well distributed.Archival documents and activity surrounding the treatment of kulaks support the fact that they impeded collectivization.Soviets replaced non compliant Ukrainians with compliants Russians and this famine ensured at least the appearance of compliance from those who survived.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater I guess what then remains is for you to show me the data, as well as the relevant explanations grounded in the various data on why the scholars I mentioned are misguided in their work.
A private message link will suffice.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Rosefielde presents a solid refutation of Wheatcroft's work.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Alright then, I will have look then.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@ukerkater Oki, I'm having a bit of trouble here; I'm reading some of Rosefielde work, but the issue is that the points of debate with wheatcroft are mostly related to the issue of the number of deaths, the difference being 3-4 million for Wheatcroft and 5-6 for Rosefielde, over the the entire cccp.
The problem is that both of them seem to work with archival sources, to which you deny any credibility.
Also, I'm having trouble finding the papers in which he says the famine was planned.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Really? Read your own soviet archives.....it clearly shows it was planned
clintlamma 1 year ago
@clintlamma First, the archives aren't mine; They property of the respective governments of Russia and Ukraine. Second, academic consensus, which quite beyond realpolitik inspired Jabbering of all government parties involved, is quite tilted towards non-planned; even cold warriors such as Conquest agree on this. Further, upon investigating Rosefiled's work, I have yet to come across an argument that suggests that the famine was planned; Ukertaker has also conveniently become quiet on the issue.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Ukerkater has not become conveniently quiet, but rather unconveniently busy. I will rejoin when time permits.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Ah ok. Thankfully so, I was getting was getting a bit frustrated with my lack of results.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
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@Scientisticsoviet Really? read your own soviet archives......It clearly proves it was planned genocide
clintlamma 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet I don't deny the credibility of archival sources, but I do have issues with the interpretation of these sources. (By the way the numbers debate IS important and a couple of MILLION people either way is a huge differential especially when you consider the short time span for these deaths to occur.) This demonstrates that archival sources are not a definitive proff but rather an interpretation. I think that Rosefield is more credible.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater The number debate is important, indeed; It is merely not relevant to what we are discussing; i.e. Whether or not the famine was planned.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet like I said it demonstrates that archival sources are not definitive proof. Number and stats are up for interpretation and can be presented differently for different contexts and motives.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Understood; But I simply want to see that the anecdotes are significant enough statistically for me to take them seriously. Otherwise it's just like dosing or homeopathy; i.e compelling anecdote but scientifically false.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet One place that you should check out, anecdotally accurate or not to your liking, are the books of Douglas Reed, especially "The Controversy of Zion." There you will read of a first person account of the Zionist-Bolshevik-Kazar-Criminal Jews and what they did to Russia, with the help of the Jew (check it out) FDR to the USA's eternal shame. Realize that that is what they have in store for all of you Goyim!
tirionson1 1 year ago
@ukerkater Also I must ask why they would go through the trouble of falsifying documents just to keep them secret afterwords; It seems extremely odd to me...
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet part 2--Submissive individuals make good Soviet citizens. So through genocide Stalin and his cronies not only ensured that they seized the rich land that was needed for the state, but they also engendered the complacency that was needed to perpetuate the success of the state. You don't have to look too hard to see that people were expendible in the USSR.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Secrecy and falsification are techniques of totalitarian states. The two go hand in hand. Smoke and mirrors to present the State in a favourable light.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Sounds like du n'importe quoi to me; Especially when we look at hand written correspondences from the high level politburo members. But without those stats, we are hard pressed to extrapolate on the basis of anecdotal evidence. In any case, I will have a look into Rosefielde's work.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@ukerkater What you so coldly calculate is about to happen in the USA. All real production of manufactured goods, the jobs, the factories, are gone, bought by the money tyrannts and shipped overseas. This was the last bastion of Christendom and it is now broken, only a miracle can save it from a Holodomor.
tirionson1 1 year ago
Consider this quotation from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934: "Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetska ia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572 А это второй.The truth will always emerge, no matter how it is twisted.
ukerkater 1 year ago
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Consider this quotation from a communist leader speaking in the Kharkiv region in 1934: "Famine in Ukraine was brought on to decrease the number of Ukrainians, replace the dead with people from other parts of the USSR, and thereby to kill the slightest thought of any Ukrainian independence."
- V. Danilov et al., Sovetska ia derevnia glazami OGPU_NKVD. T. 3, kn.2. Moscow 2004. P.572 А это второй.
The truth will always emerge, no matter how it is twisted.
ukerkater 1 year ago
By the way, I do not dislike Russians as a group. I have many Russian friends here in Canada, we celebrate Orthodox holidays together and share many cultural similarities. Being outside of Ukraine and Russia, we are quite culturally distinct. I do though have major issues with Russians who try to suppress Ukrainian history, language and culture or try to minimize its distinct nature. This is nothing but arrogance and ignorance.
ukerkater 1 year ago
Głód prawda! ale manipulacja na filmie aż razi! Więcej ofiar było w Kazachstanie-i komunizm co by o nim nie mówić absolutnie nie rozróżniał narodowości-Stalin-Gruzin=Lenin-Zyd=Dziezrzynski-Polski Zyd....takie filmiki są zbyt tendencyjne bo dziś na terenach wschodniej nikt nie ma pretensji do Rosji natomiast na zachodniej u-krainie gdzie żyli dostatnio organizowane są rocznice głodomoru natomiast sami złapali za siekiery i zarąbali setki tysiecy dzieci i kobiet Polaków i o tym cisza
MOTOPLATSEM 1 year ago
We must never allow this to be erased from public consciousness--not only for the sake of our parents and grandparents, but for the sake of humanity.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater You are typical Ukrainian of diaspora
FalconfromRF 1 year ago
@FalconfromRF Perhaps, but you really don't know me. If you are referring to the fact that I have not had to suppress what happened to my people, then you are correct. My family history is not null and void because members of my family were captured by the Germans and could not return. These horror stories do not only exist in diaspora but are a part of those who survived the Holodomor and reside in Ukraine. Unfortunately we are tied together by this horror that Stalin orchestrated.
ukerkater 1 year ago
My father survived the Holodomor. He always said that people will never believe what horrors happened and it disgusts me that the current Ukrainian and Russian governments minimize the scale and intent of what happened. I think that we Ukrainians also have to remember that we were betrayed by the complacent Allied powers as they sat silently, watching Stalin, their ally, systematically destroy his people.
ukerkater 1 year ago
This is a shame. Mother capitalism does not treat her children in this way.... :)
dadecountyhustler305 1 year ago
The screams of those who perished remain to this day an ugly silence.
Bla31n 1 year ago
Studying history is depressing.
introvertical71 1 year ago
Indeed a terrible crime, though it is a product of the CPSU at that time, not so much of Communist ideals in themselves. The famine was used to punish the peasants for their engagement in resistance movements in the preceeding years and to impede such movements in the future.
donbass132435 1 year ago
Молотов несет личную ответственность за голод на Украине, унесший миллионы жизней. Он активно участвовал в организации "большого террора" 1937-1938. С 1939 В 1930-1932 выезжал в различные районы страны в качестве чрезвычайного уполномоченного во время хлебозаготовок,В 1921 Вячеслав Молотов женился на Полине Семёновне Жемчужиной, настоящее имя — Перл Семёновна Карповская, еврейка по национальности. ...75% евреев – было в числе большевиков [«Лондон Таймс», 5 марта 1919 года].
taras2802 1 year ago
А ЧОМУ їЗРАІЛЬ не признаЄ А ОД чому Ягода Генріх (Єнох) Григорович Миронов (Каган) Лев Григорович Кацнельсон Зиновій Борисович КАГАНОВИЧ Друскіс Франц Семенович Іванівський (Гібшман) Ізраїль Давидович ЦЕ ЛЮДИ ЯКІ ТВОРИЛИ ГОЛОДОмор ЯЖ СВІТ ПОДИВИТЬСЯ НА ЦЕ ЩО 90 ПРОЦ КЕРІВНИЦТВА ЄВРЕЇ Френкель Нафталий Аронович , один из создателей ГУЛАГа, як машини для знищиння Если для власти нужно, чтоб тебя боялись, - пусть боятся", - писали о нем в книге
taras2802 1 year ago
This is communism. This is what makes communism. This are the results. There is no "good" communism. All the communist thinking is a failure.
LFTArg 2 years ago 4
@LFTArg TO ALL, PLEASE READ,'EXECUTION BY HUNGER~THE HIDDEN HOLOCAUST" by Miron Dolot, where over 10 million people located in the breadbasket of Europe (UKRAINE) were deliberately starved to death at Stalin's command + Staff (Boleshevik Jews-Stalin, too). This book was written 25 years ago! THIS STORY HAS BEEN SUPPRESSED FOR OVER 75 YEARS! BOLESHEVIK JEWS ARE RESPONSIBLE-RUSSIANS!!
Dykarada 2 years ago 5
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Why is it that this Jew/Communist geocide committed on the Indo-Europeans of Ukraine not deemed important enough to mention in the history books? Is the 11million that were butchered by the Jews not worthy of a mention in History?No we are only allowed to hear of the few hundred thousand Jews that died in camps in WW2 which maraculously becomes 6 million.Pathetic.Awaken from Jewish mind control!
EddieTheDaddyHitler 2 years ago
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Юридическая комиссия Парламентской Ассамблеи Совета Европы одобрила внесенные представителем Великобритании поправки к докладу и проекту резолюции о голоде в СССР, предложив признать его Голодомором и геноцидом украинского народа.
WildFey 2 years ago
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Kyiv Court of Appeal : the cumulative losses of Ukraine due to the Holodomor come up to 10 million 63 thousand people (3,941 thousand dead, and 6,122 thousand unborn).
WildFey 2 years ago
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Poor starving Ukrainians...
Ha-ha-ha.)))
FalconfromRF 2 years ago
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Ukrainians are constantly increasing number of victims of this unreal genocide... They started their accusiations from 5-6 millions... Now they say, that died 10 millions... Some even allege about 15 millions... In 20 years they will say about 20-30 millions? In 40 years - about 60 millions?
Great propaganda! Ukrainians learn from Armenians!
FalconfromRF 2 years ago
the communist jews orchestrated the murders of perhaps 35 million USSR dissidents such as armenians, ukrainians, poles and christians. In the past the jews created the exodus hoax to demonize the egyptians and camouflage jewish wickedness. The jewish holocaust hoax aims to demonize the Germans and camouflage recent jewish wickedness such as the 1600 to 1888 West African slave trade, the Congo, the Holodomor, Poland, USSR gulag camps, Palestinian apartheid and South African apartheid.
GivenOver 2 years ago
People what are you talking about?
every minute 17 ukrainians were died
every hour 25000 were died
think about this!
RIP! we'll never forget!
snewka89 2 years ago 3
malicious propaganda of nationalism is in my country, do on the tragedy of all of people of the USSR the show
SteelSickle 2 years ago
in that case, if your people died too, let's convict the biggest criminals in history - the commies - together. commies have to be judged and to be held responsible!
kijovia 2 years ago 2
I don't support radicalism & stalinism, but I am Left-winger!
I dislike nazionalism, fascism & and other similar to it rubbish!
P.S. Communists and socialists exist different, remember, for example, Trotsky.
SteelSickle 2 years ago
Contrary to the Ukrainian version of this history, Russians died, too. These events are tragedy of Russians, Ukrainians and Kazakhs. The so-called "Ukrainian genocide" recognized almost only by states, which against Russia."
FalconfromRF 2 years ago
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FalconfromRF 2 years ago
This is very sad.
There are many in Russian who are not jews or muslims
XxXxINSIGHTxXxX 2 years ago
Will Communists apologize for their crimes some day?Or will they keep on giving lessons of democracy and human rights?Anyway homage to Ukraine and their deads.
baltingo1 2 years ago 2
Ukrainian Genocide 2009
youtube. com/watch?v=heBgZ6XQbEQ
Vasilerr 2 years ago
My great garandma told me how soviets were taking food away everyday n killed everyone who was hiding it, and how they beated her up for not speaking russian n not giving pledge to atheist communism, she was a Christian Ukrainian, Anna Kiseleva .
TARASYUKi 2 years ago 11
Do Ukrainians think Russia owes you money?
nosirrom5 2 years ago
do Jews think Germany owes them money ? the precedent is set. there can't be one path and truth for the Jewish people and another for the Ukrainian poeple. The holocaust set an unrevokable precedent.
DavisDenison 2 years ago 3
No We don't need Anything from them, We just want them to leave Us alone .
TARASYUKi 2 years ago 12
screw russia
2009stalker 3 years ago
Great video representation. You know, more awareness should be spread about the severity of this event because the UN is allowing Russia to deny this was a genocide and it's time someone revealed why it should be called genocide and not just a natural catastrophe...by showing officials this video...if possible.
arbutowsky 3 years ago
How can you say that when you now know so much about Joseph Stalin's tyranny over Russia? Think about it: He set up a totalitarian state where no one had any rights and he, along with other officials, instituted the forced collectivization of grain away from these starving peseants. I learned about this stuff in a public school history textbook and by saying we shouldn't call this a genocide, you are alleging that there's a government conspiracy to cover up the truth about this event. Get real!!
arbutowsky 3 years ago
I was responding to the comment made by "ronjiort" here, who alleged that this famine was not a genocide. Go ahead and someone try to find me proof otherwise. Post me some links to go to otherwise, I'll stick with reality. Anyone have a second opinion? Hmmm?....
arbutowsky 3 years ago
Horshit response by a Russian Nazi. Ukrainians language and culture was plundered during Soviet times. There was a famine outside Ukraine, but there was only one genocide. In Ukraine the famine was used to it's maximum to destroy Ukrainians and to usher in ethnic Russians in their place. One only has to visit a city like Kharkiv, where the Ukrainian culture flourished in the early 20th century, only for it today to be a fortress for Russian inbreeds, who can't speak a lick of Ukrainian.
DavisDenison 3 years ago 4
shut the hell up. My family died so that russian fat cats could live. Protected culture. Have you ever been to Ukraine? All radio, newpaper, and television is in Russian. Half of the country speaks Russian. Russia spent 70 years trying to destroy Ukraine and it's people and culture. Yes there was a widespread famine, but it was instigated by the Russian government. Russia has no leg to stand on. They have always exploited Ukraine because of the better natural resources.
austrianviking 3 years ago 11
:( im sorry for you and your family. my relatives suffered through it as well.
i completelly agree with you.. and good video:)
sweet3angel 2 years ago
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I'm sorry your family died. If its any constalation Im trying to read up as much as I can about the Ukrainian famine, AT least know theres one person out in the world who hasnt forgotten the atrocties the russians committed.
MuatioAesa 1 year ago
@austrianviking The evidence of an deliberately planned famine is rather lackluster. Consider looking up Wheatcroft and Taugers for their works on the subject, where they used now available archival evidence.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet --lackluster, really? A remarkably consistent account of the situation emerges from survivors, both in Ukraine and those who left. I don't see how this consistency could be coincidental. The Soviet propaganda machine will not eradicate memory. I am not sure why Russians see mention f the Holodomor as offensive or an affront. Ukrainians resisted Communism and atheism and paid dearly
ukerkater 1 year ago
@ukerkater Evidence of DELIBERATELY PLANNED FAMINE is lackluster. Of course famine happened. Even Robert Conquest, a cold warrior historian, admits that one can no longer accept that conclusion. Again I would suggest looking up Taugers as well as Wheatcroft who have worked on the subject using archival data.
Also remember that anecdote is not good source of evidence, both in social science and in science in general.
Scientisticsoviet 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet-- The quotation cited below provides some evidence of intent. The famine did not occur in isolation--other policies also pointed to an intentional destruction of Ukrainian national sentiment. I agree anecdotal evidence in itself is not reliable, but it is the consistency of anecdotal evidence despite geography and time that informs history. Soviets were very good at constructing reality and part of that construction involved destruction of evidence and documents.
ukerkater 1 year ago
@Scientisticsoviet Now the Zionist controlled Russian-Sovietj-Communist government admits responsibility for the Katyn Forest murders, Polish officers and civil leaders shot in the back of the head! Cowardly Bolsheviks! The Kikel Conspirators embarked from New York funded by Warburg and sent by sealed boxcar through Germany to overthrow the Russian Monarchy. Read Douglas Reed!!
tirionson1 1 year ago
@austrianviking "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reed is the, for the most part, first hand report of Bolshevik-Khazar-Jews that, with the help of many Zionist-Rothshield agents DESTROYED the Russian monarchy because the Czar sent his navy to help A. Lincoln during the unCivil War in America. Come here to the land of regathered Jacob-Israel promised by God. JESUS was not a jew, the jews are not israel, they are not the chosen of God. Read Rev 2:9 and 3:9. Ten read of their fate in Obadiah.
tirionson1 1 year ago
@austrianviking Do you yahoo? I'm at tirionson@yahoo.com
tirionson1 1 year ago
The sad part, if you look at the leaders of the Soviet Union.
Lenin - Jew mix, bought out by the Germans, not that I have anything against Jews.
Stalin - Georgian, I hate his ass.
Malenkov - Russian in name, from Macedonia.
Khrushchev - Gave Russian lands to Ukraine, he is Ukrainian by the way.
Brezhnev - Ukrainian Russian mix I believe, but under him from what I've heard, was the best days of Soviet Union.
Andropov - Russian in name, mixed with Finn.
Chernenko - Ukrainian
Gorbachev - Ukrainian
Voyavod 3 years ago
Lenin was part Jew, part Finno-Ugric.
Stalin- a georgian Jew. His last name( Dzhugashvilli) means Jew from the village in Georgian. His roots line in Portugal, from where many Sephardic Jews emigrated.
Malenkov- Had Jewish roots.
Kruschev- ethnic Russian born in Ukraine.
Brezhne- ethnic Russian born in Ukraine
Andropov- Jewish
Chernenko- Father was Kuban Cossack, mother had German Jewish roots.
Gorbachev- likely a Russified Ukrainian( unconfirmed). Was born and bred in Russia.
DavisDenison 3 years ago
The Holodmor was organized and implemented mostly by Russian and Ukrainian Jews- Trotsky( Bronstein), Kaganovych( Cohen) and Stalin( Dzhugashvilli). The Jews had always wanted to make a homeland in the lush and rich Ukrainian lands, that gave them the food they eat( babkas etc), their culture- Hava Nagila is based on a Ukrainian folk song, and was the birth place of Zionism. Their goal was to eliminate the Ukrainian population.
DavisDenison 3 years ago 2
Thank you. At least someone here agrees with my view that the Ukrainian famine was a genocide, "Ronjiort." By the way, where did you get this information from? Is it credible information?
arbutowsky 3 years ago
Hi, I am very interested in collecting folk songs. When I heard Hava Nagila I thought this is an eastern european song, but I cannot find the original song. Do you have a link to the original?
eichwulf 2 years ago
Hi there. Here is the info from wiki --
"Hava Nagila" (הבה נגילה in Hebrew) is a Hebrew folk song, the title meaning "let us rejoice". It is a song of celebration, especially popular amongst Jewish and Roma communities, and is a staple of band performers at Jewish festivals.
The melody was taken from a Ukrainian folk song from Bukovina.
DavisDenison 2 years ago
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realgraff16 5 months ago
STUPID SOVIET UNION!good for Spain, they had russians in their asses!
GalinaVinni 3 years ago