Can't take a joke Mr.Harris? He obviously doesn't understand comedy or comedic genius. I would be honored if Ali g made fun of me for an hour. After it is all said an done, its just words ya pussy.
james1050, u are clearly a moderately intelligent, slandering, hateful and angry man with nothing new to say, why dont u get into politics or something instead of spending all this time being useless? do u really watch these videos just to hate?? and it blows my mind that u keep getting responded to! even i felt compelled to write and tell u just how sorry i feel for u. now i turn the other cheek and advise anyone else to do the same. please dont waste ur time on ppl like this
There is no bad, there is no good. There are only consequences, and consequences are conceptualized by our conscious.
If there was a situation that occurred - which in turn - caused you to lose functon of your ability to differentiate between 'good' and 'bad', then what? What if you understood consequences but couldn't comprehend the meaning of good and bad? Would your actions still be considered 'bad?' Not to you. Your mind projects reality and gives everything existence.
@Taterlulz By your reasoning, if a person beats you up, it isn't "bad." How you feel about the broken jaw he gives you is just a conceptualization of your "concious". Good luck with that. (May I rob your house next Tuesday?) :)
@StrumstickJoe "it has been well said that almost the only scoffers at prayer are those who never tried it enough. Those of us who make regular use of it would no more do without it than we would refuse air, food, sunshine. To abandon prayer is to deprive our minds, emotions and spirits of vitally needed support"
@0504dj I don’t vitally need any support in ordinary life, But…OK then pray: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray that you cure them all, Amen.
@StrumstickJoe real prayer is self-searching - "the means by which we bring new vision, new action and grace to bear upon the dark and negative aspects of our nature". So it's more about transforming oneself than magically and instanteously fixing the world around us.
@0504dj Jesus is supposed to have said, in :Mark 11:24:, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours…"
All the other references I gave say the same thing. It's unequivocal, actually, isn't it? Your mitigation is mealy-mouthed.
You use the word magically in a disparaging way - yet you believe in magic, miracles, gods, creation, healing and hell.
My points are unanswerable, apparently, except for a "patronising" repost which cowers under the belief which I have made clear is absurd to me!
I say patronising, because I believe that's what you are trying to be.
Prayers work according to whatever happens coincidentally - or by human agency.
It is hypocritical to pray for me when 22,000 children (according to aid organisations) are dying today from the neglect of your god. Would you say he's just inept, or callous?
@0504dj I don’t think I have scoffed prayer yet in my posts, as you imply – but I could do. I genuinely believe that talking to an imagined deity, or “his son” (?) is a possible subject for scoffing.
Look at “Best of Hitchslap ” on Ytube. It’s 15 mins – but you just need to hear the second statement a few seconds in.
This is a good story c: . I am not christian but I can appreciate your message. I think the people bashing you here don't understand your intention. On my own journey I have been learning to discern, a skill I had never learned growing up. Your story gave me a good analogy to see that there is that which appears to be great(show with famous people), and that which is true(does the show with integrity), not that they are exclusive. So thank you for helping me discern.
I'm sure God intervened so you wouldn't be slightly embarrassed later in the day. Never-mind, the sinful cancer patients and kidnapped children. How narcissistic does one have to be to convince themselves of such nonsense.
I am sure you have already discovered this: Their prayers were answered. You were routed in a different direction by NOT being on the show. The prayers covered you in an area where you didn't know what was going on.
Christianity has provided me the best life I have ever lived, because it's guided by God and blessed by God and it takes pleasure in what's right and good and pure, and joy in suffering. Moreso, I have hope for the forgiving of the past and the bettering of the present and the awesome future.
can you explain what you mean by joy in suffering? i find joy in pleasure, i am not religious, but i still do what's right, not hurt anyone or anything, i don't need a book for morals.
@DrSpicyNuts I'm sure what dentedup meant by joy in suffering is that HE is joyful, even when HE is suffering, and NOT that he finds joy in OTHER people's suffering. O:)
This is a fact that I too have found true. When I have some difficult circumstances in my life, I thank God for the pain, instead of cursing His name, because "All things work together for good, to those who love Him and call on him out of a pure heart" Romans 8:28
@lilstewie86 Lol, glad to know we have the same tastes in recreationial youtube sermon viewing. ;) :P
What's your problem now? Are you mad that I find joy in all of what life throws my way? Are you mad because you sit in a corner and cry when things don't go your way, and so you're jealous that my God heals my boo boos?
@DiJohnny18 ahahahaha, um, do u kno who i am? do u kno wat life i lead? do u kno how well off i am? nope, u dont. im just anti-religious (because of people like you) religion is destroying our society. im working for the better of mankind. so yea dont assume u kno me. my life is great except when i encounter closed minded religious nuts like u. but dont worry ur kind are dying and some day the world will be alright.
@lilstewie86 Rofl, let me just take this moment to really be amused. XD
Do you know what irony is? Do you know what hypocrisy is? I find your hypocrisy really ironic. Is THAT not what I JUST SAID. YOU sir do NOT know ME, yet YOU are the one who attacked ME with false claims of being a brainwashed religious nut. I nvr evn said nething to offend u (yet), or to deserv ur attacks, so u CANT blame me for ur lifestyle choice wen u stand b4 God on judgment day. Ur own consequences r ur own fault
@lilstewie86 Yes, my God heals my boo boos. Obviously, I said that in a condescending tone to mock you. Have you lost your sense of sarcasm along with the ability to engage in intelligent debate?
But the underlying sense is still true. I rely on God and I know everything will turn out all right. Y would u want to begrudge me of that? That is inhumane and criminal. U r not working for the better of mankind, ur working for the devil.
@DiJohnny18 yessir I AM working for the devil, the devil always win, ull see, judgement day, ha! give me a break, i am a better person than you will ever be.
@lilstewie86 Isa 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Ur no better than me, & I'm no better than u. Howevr, my sins hav ben 4givn. U no, friend, Christ died 4 u, 2. God has reconciled the world unto himself, "now we r ambassadors 4 Christ, as tho God did beseech u by us: we pray u in Christ's stead, B ye reconciled to God." 2 Cor 5:20
@lilstewie86 Or do u mean ur a better person than me becuz u go around viciously attacking ppl u don't even no, just cuz they hav different beliefs than u? U remind me of the Westborrow Baptist Church clan.
Jesus said, "cast not your pearls before swine," & u sir, are provin by ur actions to be swine of the worst kind. I shall not waste my time talking 2 u, cuz u dn't evn care. U get ur kicks out of demeening good ppl, & ur a shame to all athiests. I shake the dust off my shoes at you.
@buhbuhbeka Rofl, I don't think anything anyone says will help him, at least until he gets a big dose of conviction from the Holy Spirit. He is just one of those people who gets his kicks from attacking and demeening anything vaguely religious.
With that being said, what about my appraoch was disappointing? Did you follow the whole thing? Is it disappointing because I used logic to expose his hypocrisy, even though he is not a logical thinker?
@DiJohnny18 Nah, I just don't see how fighting fire with fire works. Calling him names and everything will just make him not like you more, not make him willing to listen to anything you say. You know... Law vs. Gospel. If you shove law down his throat i'm sure he won't want to hear anymore.
@lilstewie86 Translated, that means you worship Sam Harris - or other people who parrot his snipes. It's easier than actually examining Christianity itself, for one's self.
@tamething1 riiiight... religion isn't necessary, i know what it is to be a good person, religion is only seperating us as human beings and will eventually lead to the destruction of mankind, is all of that worth it?
@lilstewie86 You know what it is to be a good person? You're not alone in thinking that. Most people think that. But compared to Christ, we're awful. What's your longest run at being sin-free? - a decade? a year? a month? Likely, it isn't even a day. Gossiping, coveting, insulting, inappropriate raging & lusting... If all of your thoughts & misdeeds were put on a screen for the world to see, you'd likely - like the rest of us - die of shame.
@tamething1 sorry, i really don't even know how to talk to people like you. i'm just living life. i see no reason to base my life around ideas about an afterlife. i live my life in the here and now. i don't mean to offend you or anything, but i just see religion as a way for people to cope with the idea of death. i don't understand why "we're awful." does worshipping make us less awful? i just can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.
@lilstewie86 You're right that Christianity helps us cope with death - by stating that our souls do not die, & that this world is not the best we can ever hope for.
It also makes us squarely face our current state. We (humankind) are not as innocent as we think we are. Have you ever compared paint chips? White is white, right? Until you compare it to a whiter white. We're just used to our dinginess - used to locking our doors, protecting our P.I.N.s, watching crime movies... (next post)
@ lilstewie86 (cont.) ...Does worshipping make us less awful? Not worshipping per se, mechanically; but when your spirit is infused with Christ, it comes naturally. It's just reverence where reverence is due. On our own, we cannot overcome the corruption we've sunk ourselves into. So Christ took the hit for us. To love Christ is love the man whose offering to pay your bail out of an eternal Alcatraz.
@StrumstickJoe Demeaning? No. Loving God is easy. It's a natural response to His massive & long-suffering love for us.
The transfer: God created us to be righteous like Himself. Satan hatefully influenced us to be evil. (Still does.) Like your body rejects deadly viruses, Heaven rejects evil. Thus, damnation for sin. Yet God loves us. Christ's death was a rescue mission: He took our punishment to smash our guilt. Our part is just to believe in Him, love Him, admit & despise sin.
@tamething1 I despise sin and hurt and immorality. I do that all without god.
I have no guilt (This is what Christians impose upon themselves in order to “need” redemption)
There’s no god, no satan, no jesus, they are all confections of the fevered, primitive minds of the Iron Age. The whole myth was needed then to explain the world. It is not needed now. It poses a serious threat to us.
And grovelling before anything is demeaning to all of us.
@tamething1 1) Excuse my butting in – but I must say this: Coping with death… what…? We die, that’s it! Happens to everyone.
Not as innocent..? What is this obsession with guilt? – it is one of the lowest human emotions, (almost as low as the “wrath” your god keeps on dishing out when he’s murdering tribes and things like that.)
@StrumstickJoe It is healthy to feel remorse where remorse is due. This doesn't mean holding onto it like a cherished possession, long past admission, true regret, recompense, forgiveness. In fact, Christ's death - the punishment due to us - was to wash away our guilt, so that we could be free to embrace righteousness.
Chronic sin always precedes God's righteous wrath. He is merciful & slow to anger, but it would be entirely unrighteous of Him to just shrug at evil like it didn't matter.
@tamething1 It's not healthy to rue. If you have hurt someone, make amends and move on. Guilt is one of the lowest of human emotions - right there with wrath.
In fact, the fact that your god has wrath is a clear indication that he was invented by humans.
If JC didn't live - how can he have died? How can a death then do all the things you desperately want it to do?
You are talking the language of the indoctrinated.
@StrumstickJoe Unless shame & regret are there first, apology & amends won't happen - or even be thought necessary.
Our capacity for wrath is a reflection of our creator's, in whose image we were created.
He did live. He did die - physically. He's still alive - in spirit. And the same will hold true for all of us, the only question being, where our living souls will go.
I'm talking the language of the convinced.
Righteousness on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Thus, peace. :)
@StrumstickJoe Wrath is an appropriate response to, say, Charles Manson. Weakness would be cringing in fear or shrugging in indifference, rather than wrathfully standing up to such evil.
I'm convinced oxygen exists, too. Can't see it, either.
I've seen the other side of the God debate - & that's understatement. I've read Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, & other atheism-promoting books, watched dozens of videos here celebrating atheism & bashing religion, listened to all the arguments.
The appropriate response to a mad murderer is capture and containment - wrath has nothing to do with it!
Weakness is not only moments of anger, but also subservience to an imagined deity. Abject submission to any power is demeaning for the human race, and would be, also, for the power itself, if it existed.
You can't celebrate atheism - it is the lack of something, by definition.
Religion deserves (CH) to be treated with contempt. It is dangerous and immoral.
@StrumstickJoe Unlike ZOMGitsCriss, God is not in a perpetual rage, actively seeking something to smite. That image of God is only the straw man presented by atheists who hate Him more than they know Him.
@tamething1 I have never known someone who possesses such humour and irony described as"in a perpetual rage" I think you are wrong - and deliberately so. (J'accuse!)
"Atheists hate god" is something we hear all the time, and it is an absurdity!
Think about that statement.. extract the meaning of what you are saying......?
It's absurd isn't it?
The "something to smite" is real, however, it is the danger and immorality previously mentioned.
CH wipes the floor with you and me! And all the others.
@StrumstickJoe One of Christopher Hitchens' most obvious mistakes is the conclusion he makes in his subtitle "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything." It is not religion that poisons everything (nor should all religions be lumped together); rather, it is evil that poisons everything, including the vast majority of religions.
@tamething1"God wasn't fashioned after anyone. He's, well, God."
Not true, he was created by primitive men in order to keep their children and subordinate adults in line.
Unfortunately for those who would still have us believe in him (I can't believe it's necessary to spell this out!!) We are now able to see right through all that primitive magic, because we have explanations for the world, and we are not superstitious any longer.
This is the life. Live it in peace; make it better if you can.
@StrumstickJoe ZOMGitsCriss does indeed seem bent on destroying the God she thinks doesn't exist. Don't you see the absurdity in that? She has an equal hate-on for Kirk Cameron. Frankly, I think a person has to be quite desperately hateful in order to pick as an object of hatred such a nice, harmless guy as Kirk Cameron.
@tamething1 2) She is not full of hate at all, she’s full of knowledge and wit, and also, obviously, frustration - the same kind of frustration that I feel (and C.Hitchens feels) that “nice, harmless and innocent religion” (even from saps like Cameron) encourages and gives credence to the ones who back those same beliefs with the bomb. Hitchens and Cristina are so much more articulate than I. You are blind to their reason. Deliberately so, I fear.
@tamething1 1) It is common for those of a religious bent to assume that any opposition, however reasoned and reasonably presented, is hatred. It happens sooo often!
The absurdity you mention is in the way you phrased the premise: she’s destroying (quite effectively) the belief in the god; not the god itself.
@StrumstickJoe Yes, poor, poor, pitifully oppressed and misunderstood little atheists! They never insult anyone, ever, and they're always getting picked on! - especially by those big nasty bullies like Kirk Cameron!
I'm quite sure belief in God will outlast ZGC, no matter how many times she spits on it.
@StrumstickJoe You're right that there are dangerous & immoral religions - lots of them. But lumping all religions together is one of atheism's biggest mistakes. Only one - Christianity - is true. The worst of all liar religions is Catholicism, which is demonism wearing a Christian mask.
If you will, please consider the You Tube videos "Know Your Enemy: The Fuel Project", a series in short clips. It's centuries of history & theology concisely explained.
@tamething1 In order to provide the gullible with a reason to be obedient and worshipful, they had to invent a universal evil, which they called original sin, which was the failure of a trivial test in an invented garden. Then they offered redemption only with total obedience.
There are irreconcilable paradoxes in every christian (and other) story, in addition to the necessity to suspend disbelif and fall for fables and mysticism - al;l delivered with threats and fear.
@StrumstickJoe Christianity did not invent original sin, it just recognizes its existence. Look at this world. Is this the best humankind can do after millennia of "progress"? Technologically, we may be in university, but morally? - we're still in preschool. Sins have not changed one bit. Wars, thefts, lies, cruelties, sexual misconduct, idolatry... Humankind is saturated with them. And every one of us is guilty of at least a few. And we did not commit them against our own will.
@tamething1 "Christianity did not invent original sin,"
Oh yes it did!
You see, in order to keep the rabble in order, it was necessary to utilise ancient god-beliefs and to tell them "he" was always watching! ('He sees you when you're sleeping..') and that you need to worship him to prove you have overcome inherent evil.
Without that "original" evil, people might have figured they could just live normal lives without bothering with the story.
So try it! Human decency is not derived from religion
@StrumstickJoe Again, look at this world. Violence everywhere. Deceit everywhere. Every sin in the book, everywhere. Christianity did not invent this evil - it simply RECOGNIZES its EXISTENCE.
You've got Christianity all wrong if you think redemption comes "only with total obedience." People aren't even capable of that - a fact that remains quite clear even after thousands of years of "civilization." Christianity recognizes that, too. Christ offers salvation through GRACE, not works.
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."
He is a bizarre, unnecessary and dangerous bit of fiction.
@StrumstickJoe Do you atheists read EVERYTHING the way you "read" the Bible? - just, take a bit here, a bit there, completely out of context, and slap onto it whatever "meaning" first pops into your heads?
@tamething1 Your responses are getting a bit "knee-jerk"
I will speak to you sensibly and seriously:
I have no understanding of how an intelligent person can believe in magic. I have no understanding of the need for religion - though I know that humans can seek patterns, and reasons and causes.
I don't need a First Cause - genuinely - I don't need a heaven or hell, or conflict or anything that the bible or its preachers have to offer me.
@tamething1 No, they don't exist because heaven and hell (the abrahamic illustration of it at the very least) can be beyond any reasonable doubt be discarded because of the thousands of contradictions, unfulfilled prophecies and general idiocies of the bibles from that sect of idiocy:). LOL at you only replying to some posts and ignoring others, gj mate:). That which is posited without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You're only making yourself look worse now mate, move on:).
@tamething1 WOW! An incredibly broad passage which could be rationalised for basically any bad event which happens to a theist proves prophecy! You do know I could find thousands of others like that from other religions, many far more accurate. You can not be serious here can you? Read those studies I linked you to? I'm not sure I can go further with this, you can't reason with someone in a position they didn't reason themselves into - you're obviously incredibly stupid and/or deluded.
@James1050 So, you not only feel entitled to call me stupid for my beliefs, you also feel it my duty to pay homage to your every utterance.
Christian-bashing is rampant - much of it right here in front of your face. ( Also, coming out of your face.) Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, et al, seem to live for it. Mass media's into it. Obama's into it. Schools are into it. Muslims kill over it. Political correctness police exempt it.
@StrumstickJoe Good is like light, evil is like darkness. God did not turn on the darkness. Darkness can't be turned on. Darkness is just an absence of light.
@tamething1 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) Stop with the intellectual dishonesty about taking passages out of context, it's disgraceful. I should have also mentioned the study which found atheists were MORE knowledgable on christianity than christians themselves. Your book is an outright lie responsible for the death of many millions of people - just give it up already!
@James1050 Sin came into the world because of Satan and because of us, not because of God. God created us sinless & good. Even Lucifer was originally good. But one of God's good gifts to us was free will, and we used it to turn away from Him - just as Lucifer did. We turned away from the light, and toward the darkness. That was OUR choice - not God's choice for us.
@tamething1 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV). Please stop, you're repeating yourself when your pitiful arguments have been utterly dismantled. Brb all knowing, all powerful creator who knows every action of every person into the infinite future - yet it's all our own free will. God knew my nature and nurture which would lead to me not believing, free will is contradicted by his own omnipotence.
@tamething1 Have you read all those studies I posted yet? I know you haven't because it was only posted a few minutes ago, and even if you weren't as dense and you're making yourself out to be, you can't read that fast:).
@tamething1 Yes, progress. We have made a lot of it (hampered somewhat by our holding on to primitive beliefs) - but we are doing, hmmm, well, and, despite the desperate and unequal world that still leaves us with, I hope that medicine, farming, the spread of knowledge & information (particularly about pop. control) will keep us alive and moving.
Wars, thefts, lies, cruelties, sexual misconduct, idolatry... religion is saturated with them, and also with guilt - the lowest of low things.
@StrumstickJoe Guilt "is the lowest of low things"? No it isn't. It's a start. It's the recognition of one's misdeeds, without which, one cannot renounce them.
Religion "is saturated with" sins? People are saturated with sins - in religions, and out of religions. What true Christianity does with sin - & what no other religion does so well or, in some cases, at all - is address sin directly & honestly.
@tamething1 Guilt is the lowest: if you have done something, rectify it and move on. The future is the thing; religion dwells in the past, ruing and moaning and celebrating human sacrifices that probably didn't happen.
@StrumstickJoe Guiltlessness is a symptom of sociopathy. One can recognize one's guilt, you know, without wallowing in it. Admission is the first step to rectification.
History repeatedly proves that unless we remember & learn from the past, the future will be exactly like it.
The future is the thing? Then, you should like Christianity. It tells you that you have one - that your life does not end in nothingness - and that it can be absolutely glorious.
@tamething1 "Guiltlessness is.. sociopathy." Agreed, who said it wasn't?
I said you have to take responsibility for what you've done and rectify it.
But to start from the premise that we are all guilty of some fable-crime before we are born (for which we should then grovel for life and eternally) is ludicrous!
History is all we have to learn from. Let's hope we all learn that the immorality of religion takes us backward.
@tamething1 I will look at your ref. out of respect for your insistence, but I must say that if you have researched as you claim, then you have seen the coin come down heads time and time again against the evidence of your eyes that it is a double tail.
I entreat you: believe in what you see and wonder at what seems to be an almost unimaginable universe; but do not believe in 'good' things of magic that you want to see as protection against imagined evils.
@tamething1 I looked at the intro. Good production. Unnecessary message and theme for the moment. I might look at the rest of it some day, I mean it, but for now, I have a novel to write and a few slaves to set free.
Heaven/hell don't exist because there is no proof (don't tell me you have proof - perlease!) and because it is plain to see that they are manmade concepts to frighten children. Clear-thinking, free people don't need mythical concepts like that.
@tamething1 "Good is like light, evil is like darkness. God did not turn on the darkness. Darkness can't be turned on. Darkness is just an absence of light. "
There's a mixture of fanciful nonsense; an outright lie, and a statement of the blatantly obvious here.
@tamething1 that's too much specualtion for me, i can't completely write off the idea that when we die, we just die, expire, nothing else. death is a sensitive, sometimes devastatingly depressing subject. all humans fear it and that's what i mean when i say religion is a way to have a positive outlook/attitude and convince yourself that there is an afterlife when in fact there very well may not be. not that there is anything wrong with that but that type of thinking just doesn't work for me.
@lilstewie86 Thousands who've reported Near Death Experiences believe now that their souls do not die with the body. Some claim to have glimpsed Hell or Heaven, or met deceased loved ones or Christ. They are adamant that they were not imagining this. Most say that knowing changes their lives for the better. Your doubts are understandable, but I doubt they'd invent stories that invite ridicule. One moving testimonial on You Tube: Howard Storm's "Atheist Professor in Hell."
@StrumstickJoe Thousands. Thus the books, the You Tube Videos, the conferences... Now, why would an atheist - Howard Storm, for one - report encountering Jesus?
@tamething1 1) I think it is for you to figure out why an atheist would report a JC-meet. I believe, obviously, that it was delusion. I don’t believe in magic.
I doubt the existence of the person, but even if you proved that (hasn’t been done ever in 2000 yrs!) – and proved the v.birth, and the resurrection - then you would STILL have all your work to do to prove divinity. Our capacity for pattern-seeking is good, but it left us with primitive (and dangerous) myths...
@StrumstickJoe Watch Hitchens? I have. Hours of debates & interviews, & CD of book "God is Not Great." If only his wisdom were equal to his wit & conceit.
ZOMGitsCriss? Been there too. Sorry, but sharp-tongued vitriol spitting doesn't equal smarts, nor legions of equally rude & drooling fans a case.
Vastly superior sources of information: "Know Your Enemy: Fuel Project" (here); "Orthodoxy" GK Chesterton; "Mere Christianity" CS Lewis; Mark Driscoll; John MacArthur; Todd Friel.
@tamething1 the brain is a powerful thing, i've had a near death experience, i blacked out, and for a split second i saw a white flash of light but that doesn't prove anything. There are many people who have claimed to have spoken with God, so how do we define schizophrenia? our brains create illusions, do you ever have vivid dreams, do you believe everything that happens in them? when you want to believe something you create the illusion, no proof, just the brain anatomy of devoted believers
@tamething1 LOL whhhat!? what was impolite about my response? just because you don't know how to respond to it, it doesn't mean u should accuse me of being impolite. next time don't say anything, and i'm saying that as politely as i can.
well i think it would really suck to see your harmless temptations are in fact harmless, and there's no reason not to live life to the fullest while you are on earth
This is the problem with modern churches today... too much fluff and not enough scripture. why is it that in this 5 minute spiel, I heard not one bible verse... cmon Harris you can do better at making a case for discernment....
moodude16, have you heard the whole sermon, don't you think it's possible and quite likely that he used scripture elsewhere in the sermon, it's only a five minute clip, out of what, probably close to an hour? You are right in your concern, and I thank God that there are people who believe and fight for the sufficiency and efficiency of the scriptures, but make sure you are positive before you make accusations...
oh totally... also what's wrong w/ the church is it's hyprocritical, pharisees, doesn't follow the golden rule of accepting the "tax collectors" of our day, and has the holier than though outlook. It's supposed to be, "hey! we found bread! come have some. I get hungry too and I know that you do as well." and that alll! are allowed in. all! wicans, pagans, jews, gentiles, satanists, prostitutes, porn stars, pimps, drug lords, gang memebers, etc. We've lost track of love.
You gotta be fair man. You realize that this is only 5 minutes of an extended sermon right? Most of this was a story that exemplifies the need for discernment; at the very end of the video I'm pretty sure he was about to read something from the bible.
This story was quite applicable to the topic of discernment but the problem with snippets of sermons is that they are often not all-encompassing as we would like (as far as scripture is concerned). It's just a snippet; remember this. [= All love
A chance to be in the lime light is not always a good thing. I am glad that the
prayers of those who prayed for you worked by not putting you in a position of ridicule -- which wouldn't be a bad thing from God's point of view if it were for righteousness sake.
Why do atheists,and people that hate Christians, and Christianity, Search for Christian videos, then proceed to spew profanity and vengeful comments. If you don't like what is being said, don't watch it. In fact , Why search for it in the first place. or remain watching when you discover what it is. And then you are surprised when your hateful and abusive comments get thumbs down.
If you have something to say, PLEASE Do so without abusing the speakers , the Christian Faith.
If possible it would be better to find the whole talk of this sermon. Because what he said was an intro into the topic of discernment. Which is true in the example he gave he did not discern, he just hopped on an opportunity. But like i said it would better if we could hear the whole talk. Thanks for the post though
Total non sequitur. Try and make some sense. Oh and it's so funny looking at all the blatant attacks on christianity which have been thumbed down, while the mockingly obvious ones have been thumbed up by the religious people here thinking they're true. It illustrated their naivety perfectly:). Prove to me there's a god and then come back. Do you know how many religions there are, the odds that you are right (bad reason anyway), there are several religions identical to christianity
@James1050 You want someone to prove to you there's a God? Really? Until you're receptive, nothing will. A radio that isn't plugged in won't get a signal, no matter how strong the signal. That's not the fault of the signal.
Jesus, God incarnate, was denied by people who saw him standing right in front of them. What did He have to do? Walk on water? Cast out demons? Heal the sick with a touch? Rise from the dead? Oh, wait, He did all that.
@tamething1 All true because a book said so, right mate. You do know thousands of other gods did much better tricks than jesus did right? Only a fool can believe this, as evidenced by many things: inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ, more religious a country less charity as % of GDP (way to follow jesus teachings!), more christian an area in the US more abortions, murder, teen pregnancy etc. Only a fool believes this stuff, and as shown - a lot of them do:D. Book as proof.. LOL
@James1050 And THAT'S all true because stats say so, right? Oh wait, no. All true because YOU say stats say so - no sources given. And stats never mislead. Doubly true because you managed to slap an LOL onto the end of it.
@tamething1 It won't let me post links here. Google this (without quotes): "atheists know more about the bible than theists" The first 3 results all have links and blurbs to the study. Also google "ITT I prove religion is harmful (LONG, debate)" That's a thread with almost a hundreds studies of those I spoke about earlier. All scientifically published, peer reviewed etc. Read up! You can easily find hundreds more yourself, it's not hard to use google mate.
@James1050 Found it. Read it. Don't doubt it. Why? Christianity has been largely watered down to the level of Joel Osteen rather than Christ. Unfortunately. Equally unfortunately, many churches manage to make the rivetting message of Christianity seem boring. More Mark Driscolls are needed.
Scientifically published, peer reviewed studies about religion being harmful: Would that be like church published, peer reviewed studies on evolution being harmful?
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this guy is such an above it all. Ali g makes fun but it is all in GOOD fun. It should have been a honor for him to go on the show. Jeez he can't see the comedy in it and have fun? newt gingrige went on and he is still cool. Josh Harris is to stingy and does not act like christ.
These guys are so full of shit. I can't stand their fake humility as they manipulate people using religious fear, guilt, and shame to do their bidding. And people buy into it, because they desperately need something to cling to rather than getting off their lazy bums to make their own lives better. If there is a god, it certainly isn't interested in the trivial matters these people turn from molehills into mountains. Talking to people in league with these "evangelists" is exhausting.
Peoples lives don't need to be centered aroud god. If there is a god wouldn't hbe want us to be happy and do what want. If god only wants us to worship him then god is a pretty conceded person.
God does not want us to *only* worship him. God wants us to simply be in a relationship with him. But the thing is, God does want us to be happy, and he does want us to do what we want. That is why we have a choice to serve Him or not. God doesn't want us to love Him because we "have" to, otherwise we would be robots. He loves all of us, we are all His children, but he gives us the choice to love Him, or not. I worship God not because I have to, but because I know how much He loves me.
i love how these preachers always have this "modern" look haha with this slight twinkle in their eye and a pyschopathic smile. gives me the creeps. hahahahah
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I was just thinking the same thing lol. The over-the-ear microphone, chic-casual clothing, random graphic design in the background, and probably a "rock" worship band in the background. And usually they're preaching about being "real" lol.
Presumably, in order for Sacha Baron-Cohen's show to work, it has to be set up like a perfectly legitimate interview show...in which case, Harris had no way of telling what was going on in some random European TV show.
Disaster is being interviewed by Ali G? If that's so, this guy needs some negativity in his life. Sad.
ponyboy6666 3 months ago
dis guy is a fag bag homo
will95will 4 months ago
Can't take a joke Mr.Harris? He obviously doesn't understand comedy or comedic genius. I would be honored if Ali g made fun of me for an hour. After it is all said an done, its just words ya pussy.
ElFlacoRiver 6 months ago
james1050, u are clearly a moderately intelligent, slandering, hateful and angry man with nothing new to say, why dont u get into politics or something instead of spending all this time being useless? do u really watch these videos just to hate?? and it blows my mind that u keep getting responded to! even i felt compelled to write and tell u just how sorry i feel for u. now i turn the other cheek and advise anyone else to do the same. please dont waste ur time on ppl like this
mjcolavolpe 6 months ago
The power of prayer!
katerina8787 6 months ago
Haha as if this guy called da Ali G Show "not a real show" ...nice try
BEANPOLE111 9 months ago
There is no bad, there is no good. There are only consequences, and consequences are conceptualized by our conscious.
If there was a situation that occurred - which in turn - caused you to lose functon of your ability to differentiate between 'good' and 'bad', then what? What if you understood consequences but couldn't comprehend the meaning of good and bad? Would your actions still be considered 'bad?' Not to you. Your mind projects reality and gives everything existence.
Taterlulz 11 months ago
@Taterlulz By your reasoning, if a person beats you up, it isn't "bad." How you feel about the broken jaw he gives you is just a conceptualization of your "concious". Good luck with that. (May I rob your house next Tuesday?) :)
tamething1 7 months ago
the power of prayer, Amen.
TheGlossyglitz 11 months ago
@TheGlossyglitz Prayer doesn't work. It's wishful thinking. There's nobody listening.
StrumstickJoe 10 months ago
@StrumstickJoe "it has been well said that almost the only scoffers at prayer are those who never tried it enough. Those of us who make regular use of it would no more do without it than we would refuse air, food, sunshine. To abandon prayer is to deprive our minds, emotions and spirits of vitally needed support"
0504dj 7 months ago
@0504dj I don’t vitally need any support in ordinary life, But…OK then pray: Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray that you cure them all, Amen.
Let me know if it works
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe real prayer is self-searching - "the means by which we bring new vision, new action and grace to bear upon the dark and negative aspects of our nature". So it's more about transforming oneself than magically and instanteously fixing the world around us.
0504dj 7 months ago
@0504dj Jesus is supposed to have said, in :Mark 11:24:, "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours…"
All the other references I gave say the same thing. It's unequivocal, actually, isn't it? Your mitigation is mealy-mouthed.
You use the word magically in a disparaging way - yet you believe in magic, miracles, gods, creation, healing and hell.
Wrong! Illogical. Get your head right.
No god - no need for one!
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe I will pray for you :)
0504dj 7 months ago
@0504dj What? Are you mad?
My points are unanswerable, apparently, except for a "patronising" repost which cowers under the belief which I have made clear is absurd to me!
I say patronising, because I believe that's what you are trying to be.
Prayers work according to whatever happens coincidentally - or by human agency.
It is hypocritical to pray for me when 22,000 children (according to aid organisations) are dying today from the neglect of your god. Would you say he's just inept, or callous?
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you"
Peace be with you.
0504dj 7 months ago
@0504dj
"If you could reason with the religious, there would be know religion."
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
Respond to this video... "no"
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@0504dj I don’t think I have scoffed prayer yet in my posts, as you imply – but I could do. I genuinely believe that talking to an imagined deity, or “his son” (?) is a possible subject for scoffing.
Look at “Best of Hitchslap ” on Ytube. It’s 15 mins – but you just need to hear the second statement a few seconds in.
Assalamu alikum – Peace be with you!
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
This is a good story c: . I am not christian but I can appreciate your message. I think the people bashing you here don't understand your intention. On my own journey I have been learning to discern, a skill I had never learned growing up. Your story gave me a good analogy to see that there is that which appears to be great(show with famous people), and that which is true(does the show with integrity), not that they are exclusive. So thank you for helping me discern.
ShaolinHero1 11 months ago
Change your name you crazy coot!
ThePseudoPrime 11 months ago
You talked for 5 minutes about nothing. You are a master of "filler."
ChocolatePoop1301 1 year ago
I have to wonder if he ever stopped to question why he was chosen to be mocked by Sascha Baron Cohen...It's sad how blind religion can make a person.
xclosetohumanx 1 year ago
What is a good way to go about spreading the word of Christ, panda?
thelostcause 1 year ago
I'm sure God intervened so you wouldn't be slightly embarrassed later in the day. Never-mind, the sinful cancer patients and kidnapped children. How narcissistic does one have to be to convince themselves of such nonsense.
Zmitc002 1 year ago
thx so much!
love the encouragement from the books and speakings
PrayerWarrior4 1 year ago
I am sure you have already discovered this: Their prayers were answered. You were routed in a different direction by NOT being on the show. The prayers covered you in an area where you didn't know what was going on.
Thank you for sharing this with us.
QueenOftheCeltic 1 year ago
moodude you sound like a pharisee bro.. its called an illustration and all great preachers used them..
bigphade 2 years ago
i would recommend some happiness before analyzing yourself to death and who even knows if hell exists? so why not enjoy your time on earth!
DrSpicyNuts 2 years ago
Christianity has provided me the best life I have ever lived, because it's guided by God and blessed by God and it takes pleasure in what's right and good and pure, and joy in suffering. Moreso, I have hope for the forgiving of the past and the bettering of the present and the awesome future.
I am enjoying my time on earth.
dentedup 2 years ago
can you explain what you mean by joy in suffering? i find joy in pleasure, i am not religious, but i still do what's right, not hurt anyone or anything, i don't need a book for morals.
DrSpicyNuts 2 years ago
@DrSpicyNuts I'm sure what dentedup meant by joy in suffering is that HE is joyful, even when HE is suffering, and NOT that he finds joy in OTHER people's suffering. O:)
This is a fact that I too have found true. When I have some difficult circumstances in my life, I thank God for the pain, instead of cursing His name, because "All things work together for good, to those who love Him and call on him out of a pure heart" Romans 8:28
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 god dammit boy!
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Lol, glad to know we have the same tastes in recreationial youtube sermon viewing. ;) :P
What's your problem now? Are you mad that I find joy in all of what life throws my way? Are you mad because you sit in a corner and cry when things don't go your way, and so you're jealous that my God heals my boo boos?
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 ahahahaha, um, do u kno who i am? do u kno wat life i lead? do u kno how well off i am? nope, u dont. im just anti-religious (because of people like you) religion is destroying our society. im working for the better of mankind. so yea dont assume u kno me. my life is great except when i encounter closed minded religious nuts like u. but dont worry ur kind are dying and some day the world will be alright.
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 ur god heals ur boo boos, haha, come on dude, grow up!
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Rofl, let me just take this moment to really be amused. XD
Do you know what irony is? Do you know what hypocrisy is? I find your hypocrisy really ironic. Is THAT not what I JUST SAID. YOU sir do NOT know ME, yet YOU are the one who attacked ME with false claims of being a brainwashed religious nut. I nvr evn said nething to offend u (yet), or to deserv ur attacks, so u CANT blame me for ur lifestyle choice wen u stand b4 God on judgment day. Ur own consequences r ur own fault
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Yes, my God heals my boo boos. Obviously, I said that in a condescending tone to mock you. Have you lost your sense of sarcasm along with the ability to engage in intelligent debate?
But the underlying sense is still true. I rely on God and I know everything will turn out all right. Y would u want to begrudge me of that? That is inhumane and criminal. U r not working for the better of mankind, ur working for the devil.
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 yessir I AM working for the devil, the devil always win, ull see, judgement day, ha! give me a break, i am a better person than you will ever be.
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Isa 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Ur no better than me, & I'm no better than u. Howevr, my sins hav ben 4givn. U no, friend, Christ died 4 u, 2. God has reconciled the world unto himself, "now we r ambassadors 4 Christ, as tho God did beseech u by us: we pray u in Christ's stead, B ye reconciled to God." 2 Cor 5:20
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 im better than you
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 period.
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Whatever helps yu sleep at night.
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@lilstewie86 Or do u mean ur a better person than me becuz u go around viciously attacking ppl u don't even no, just cuz they hav different beliefs than u? U remind me of the Westborrow Baptist Church clan.
Jesus said, "cast not your pearls before swine," & u sir, are provin by ur actions to be swine of the worst kind. I shall not waste my time talking 2 u, cuz u dn't evn care. U get ur kicks out of demeening good ppl, & ur a shame to all athiests. I shake the dust off my shoes at you.
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18... "a shame to atheists?" im not an atheist man, but im still better than u.
lilstewie86 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 Because that is what Jesus would do right? :/ your approach is disappointing, I don't think anything you have said has helped him.
buhbuhbeka 1 year ago
@buhbuhbeka Rofl, I don't think anything anyone says will help him, at least until he gets a big dose of conviction from the Holy Spirit. He is just one of those people who gets his kicks from attacking and demeening anything vaguely religious.
With that being said, what about my appraoch was disappointing? Did you follow the whole thing? Is it disappointing because I used logic to expose his hypocrisy, even though he is not a logical thinker?
That's his fault, not mine. :P
DiJohnny18 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 Nah, I just don't see how fighting fire with fire works. Calling him names and everything will just make him not like you more, not make him willing to listen to anything you say. You know... Law vs. Gospel. If you shove law down his throat i'm sure he won't want to hear anymore.
buhbuhbeka 1 year ago
@DiJohnny18 actually i'm not athiest, i believe in the spaghetti monster
lilstewie86 9 months ago
@lilstewie86 Translated, that means you worship Sam Harris - or other people who parrot his snipes. It's easier than actually examining Christianity itself, for one's self.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 riiiight... religion isn't necessary, i know what it is to be a good person, religion is only seperating us as human beings and will eventually lead to the destruction of mankind, is all of that worth it?
lilstewie86 7 months ago
@lilstewie86 You know what it is to be a good person? You're not alone in thinking that. Most people think that. But compared to Christ, we're awful. What's your longest run at being sin-free? - a decade? a year? a month? Likely, it isn't even a day. Gossiping, coveting, insulting, inappropriate raging & lusting... If all of your thoughts & misdeeds were put on a screen for the world to see, you'd likely - like the rest of us - die of shame.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 sorry, i really don't even know how to talk to people like you. i'm just living life. i see no reason to base my life around ideas about an afterlife. i live my life in the here and now. i don't mean to offend you or anything, but i just see religion as a way for people to cope with the idea of death. i don't understand why "we're awful." does worshipping make us less awful? i just can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.
lilstewie86 7 months ago
@lilstewie86 You're right that Christianity helps us cope with death - by stating that our souls do not die, & that this world is not the best we can ever hope for.
It also makes us squarely face our current state. We (humankind) are not as innocent as we think we are. Have you ever compared paint chips? White is white, right? Until you compare it to a whiter white. We're just used to our dinginess - used to locking our doors, protecting our P.I.N.s, watching crime movies... (next post)
tamething1 7 months ago
@ lilstewie86 (cont.) ...Does worshipping make us less awful? Not worshipping per se, mechanically; but when your spirit is infused with Christ, it comes naturally. It's just reverence where reverence is due. On our own, we cannot overcome the corruption we've sunk ourselves into. So Christ took the hit for us. To love Christ is love the man whose offering to pay your bail out of an eternal Alcatraz.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 2) Worship is demeaning – to all humans. If there were a god, he would be the most insecure entity ever to need it.
And grovelling for ever in heaven….? Is that what you want to do?
Fortunately we live here once and die. Great.
JC never existed, but if he had, how does this transfer of your obsessive guilt actually take place. I never got that.
Peace and clarity.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Demeaning? No. Loving God is easy. It's a natural response to His massive & long-suffering love for us.
The transfer: God created us to be righteous like Himself. Satan hatefully influenced us to be evil. (Still does.) Like your body rejects deadly viruses, Heaven rejects evil. Thus, damnation for sin. Yet God loves us. Christ's death was a rescue mission: He took our punishment to smash our guilt. Our part is just to believe in Him, love Him, admit & despise sin.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 I despise sin and hurt and immorality. I do that all without god.
I have no guilt (This is what Christians impose upon themselves in order to “need” redemption)
There’s no god, no satan, no jesus, they are all confections of the fevered, primitive minds of the Iron Age. The whole myth was needed then to explain the world. It is not needed now. It poses a serious threat to us.
And grovelling before anything is demeaning to all of us.
Peace on earth.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@tamething1 1) Excuse my butting in – but I must say this: Coping with death… what…? We die, that’s it! Happens to everyone.
Not as innocent..? What is this obsession with guilt? – it is one of the lowest human emotions, (almost as low as the “wrath” your god keeps on dishing out when he’s murdering tribes and things like that.)
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe It is healthy to feel remorse where remorse is due. This doesn't mean holding onto it like a cherished possession, long past admission, true regret, recompense, forgiveness. In fact, Christ's death - the punishment due to us - was to wash away our guilt, so that we could be free to embrace righteousness.
Chronic sin always precedes God's righteous wrath. He is merciful & slow to anger, but it would be entirely unrighteous of Him to just shrug at evil like it didn't matter.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 It's not healthy to rue. If you have hurt someone, make amends and move on. Guilt is one of the lowest of human emotions - right there with wrath.
In fact, the fact that your god has wrath is a clear indication that he was invented by humans.
If JC didn't live - how can he have died? How can a death then do all the things you desperately want it to do?
You are talking the language of the indoctrinated.
Fin clarity and peace on earth.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Unless shame & regret are there first, apology & amends won't happen - or even be thought necessary.
Our capacity for wrath is a reflection of our creator's, in whose image we were created.
He did live. He did die - physically. He's still alive - in spirit. And the same will hold true for all of us, the only question being, where our living souls will go.
I'm talking the language of the convinced.
Righteousness on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Thus, peace. :)
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 2) which try to explain the world in terms of Iron Age knowledge and superstition.
Our capacity for wrath is a serious weakness. I wouldn’t claim it as a god-attribute if I were you.
If I was created in his image, why aren’t I invisible? (That is more than a joke; it creates a dichotomy for your faith)
You are convinced, I agree, but it is conviction in a mass delusion.
Please try my recommendations. Clarify by seeing the other side
Sincerely.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Wrath is an appropriate response to, say, Charles Manson. Weakness would be cringing in fear or shrugging in indifference, rather than wrathfully standing up to such evil.
I'm convinced oxygen exists, too. Can't see it, either.
I've seen the other side of the God debate - & that's understatement. I've read Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, & other atheism-promoting books, watched dozens of videos here celebrating atheism & bashing religion, listened to all the arguments.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 You are besotted.
The appropriate response to a mad murderer is capture and containment - wrath has nothing to do with it!
Weakness is not only moments of anger, but also subservience to an imagined deity. Abject submission to any power is demeaning for the human race, and would be, also, for the power itself, if it existed.
You can't celebrate atheism - it is the lack of something, by definition.
Religion deserves (CH) to be treated with contempt. It is dangerous and immoral.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Unlike ZOMGitsCriss, God is not in a perpetual rage, actively seeking something to smite. That image of God is only the straw man presented by atheists who hate Him more than they know Him.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 I have never known someone who possesses such humour and irony described as"in a perpetual rage" I think you are wrong - and deliberately so. (J'accuse!)
"Atheists hate god" is something we hear all the time, and it is an absurdity!
Think about that statement.. extract the meaning of what you are saying......?
It's absurd isn't it?
The "something to smite" is real, however, it is the danger and immorality previously mentioned.
CH wipes the floor with you and me! And all the others.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe One of Christopher Hitchens' most obvious mistakes is the conclusion he makes in his subtitle "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything." It is not religion that poisons everything (nor should all religions be lumped together); rather, it is evil that poisons everything, including the vast majority of religions.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 The atheist position is that all religions are delusions. And that we don't understand how each practitioner decides that his is The One.
Religion does poison everything because it's delusion, and because it gives licence to preach and make war and kill.
'It infects us in our integrity, it says we can't be moral without big brother '
It has us grovelling before imagined deities, which were created in the image of ancient kings and lords,
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe God wasn't fashioned after anyone. He's, well, God.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1"God wasn't fashioned after anyone. He's, well, God."
Not true, he was created by primitive men in order to keep their children and subordinate adults in line.
Unfortunately for those who would still have us believe in him (I can't believe it's necessary to spell this out!!) We are now able to see right through all that primitive magic, because we have explanations for the world, and we are not superstitious any longer.
This is the life. Live it in peace; make it better if you can.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe ZOMGitsCriss does indeed seem bent on destroying the God she thinks doesn't exist. Don't you see the absurdity in that? She has an equal hate-on for Kirk Cameron. Frankly, I think a person has to be quite desperately hateful in order to pick as an object of hatred such a nice, harmless guy as Kirk Cameron.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 2) She is not full of hate at all, she’s full of knowledge and wit, and also, obviously, frustration - the same kind of frustration that I feel (and C.Hitchens feels) that “nice, harmless and innocent religion” (even from saps like Cameron) encourages and gives credence to the ones who back those same beliefs with the bomb. Hitchens and Cristina are so much more articulate than I. You are blind to their reason. Deliberately so, I fear.
I wish you clarity.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@tamething1 1) It is common for those of a religious bent to assume that any opposition, however reasoned and reasonably presented, is hatred. It happens sooo often!
The absurdity you mention is in the way you phrased the premise: she’s destroying (quite effectively) the belief in the god; not the god itself.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
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@StrumstickJoe It is common for those of an atheist bent to assume !
0504dj 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Yes, poor, poor, pitifully oppressed and misunderstood little atheists! They never insult anyone, ever, and they're always getting picked on! - especially by those big nasty bullies like Kirk Cameron!
I'm quite sure belief in God will outlast ZGC, no matter how many times she spits on it.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 Your outburst was addressed to me, but had no bearing on anything I've ever said.
It must be that your delusion (documented well by James) is making you think we are saying things that we are not.
Glad you had a look at ZOMGitsCriss. She's good, isn't she? Articulate, thoughtful, and the very opposite of delusional.
I agree that belief in god will outlast Cristina, you, me and everyone alive today. And that's a shame, but there will always be fools.
Find clarity.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Look again. It's in direct response to your words: "It is common for those of a religious bent...It happens sooo often!"
No, ZGC isn't "good." Aggressive, yes. Shameless, yes. Poorly informed, yes. Good, no.
tamething1 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe You're right that there are dangerous & immoral religions - lots of them. But lumping all religions together is one of atheism's biggest mistakes. Only one - Christianity - is true. The worst of all liar religions is Catholicism, which is demonism wearing a Christian mask.
If you will, please consider the You Tube videos "Know Your Enemy: The Fuel Project", a series in short clips. It's centuries of history & theology concisely explained.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 In order to provide the gullible with a reason to be obedient and worshipful, they had to invent a universal evil, which they called original sin, which was the failure of a trivial test in an invented garden. Then they offered redemption only with total obedience.
There are irreconcilable paradoxes in every christian (and other) story, in addition to the necessity to suspend disbelif and fall for fables and mysticism - al;l delivered with threats and fear.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Christianity did not invent original sin, it just recognizes its existence. Look at this world. Is this the best humankind can do after millennia of "progress"? Technologically, we may be in university, but morally? - we're still in preschool. Sins have not changed one bit. Wars, thefts, lies, cruelties, sexual misconduct, idolatry... Humankind is saturated with them. And every one of us is guilty of at least a few. And we did not commit them against our own will.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 "Christianity did not invent original sin,"
Oh yes it did!
You see, in order to keep the rabble in order, it was necessary to utilise ancient god-beliefs and to tell them "he" was always watching! ('He sees you when you're sleeping..') and that you need to worship him to prove you have overcome inherent evil.
Without that "original" evil, people might have figured they could just live normal lives without bothering with the story.
So try it! Human decency is not derived from religion
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Again, look at this world. Violence everywhere. Deceit everywhere. Every sin in the book, everywhere. Christianity did not invent this evil - it simply RECOGNIZES its EXISTENCE.
You've got Christianity all wrong if you think redemption comes "only with total obedience." People aren't even capable of that - a fact that remains quite clear even after thousands of years of "civilization." Christianity recognizes that, too. Christ offers salvation through GRACE, not works.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 You really cannot have it both ways: "Christianity did not invent this evil - it simply RECOGNIZES its EXISTENCE."
Either your god is the First Cause or he isn't!
"sheep" & "slaves" & "disciples" That's what you're proud to be. Well don't count us in.
Luke 14:26
26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."
He is a bizarre, unnecessary and dangerous bit of fiction.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Do you atheists read EVERYTHING the way you "read" the Bible? - just, take a bit here, a bit there, completely out of context, and slap onto it whatever "meaning" first pops into your heads?
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 Your responses are getting a bit "knee-jerk"
I will speak to you sensibly and seriously:
I have no understanding of how an intelligent person can believe in magic. I have no understanding of the need for religion - though I know that humans can seek patterns, and reasons and causes.
I don't need a First Cause - genuinely - I don't need a heaven or hell, or conflict or anything that the bible or its preachers have to offer me.
Don't fight me.
Don't group me with others.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe So, heaven and hell don't exist because you don't personally "need" them. Is that how it works?
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 No, they don't exist because heaven and hell (the abrahamic illustration of it at the very least) can be beyond any reasonable doubt be discarded because of the thousands of contradictions, unfulfilled prophecies and general idiocies of the bibles from that sect of idiocy:). LOL at you only replying to some posts and ignoring others, gj mate:). That which is posited without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You're only making yourself look worse now mate, move on:).
James1050 6 months ago
@James1050 Sorry if this deflates your LOLing ego, but how I stand with you isn't QUITE as important to me as how I stand with God.
2 Timothy 3:12 "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Well. Look at that. Biblical prophecies do come true.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 WOW! An incredibly broad passage which could be rationalised for basically any bad event which happens to a theist proves prophecy! You do know I could find thousands of others like that from other religions, many far more accurate. You can not be serious here can you? Read those studies I linked you to? I'm not sure I can go further with this, you can't reason with someone in a position they didn't reason themselves into - you're obviously incredibly stupid and/or deluded.
James1050 6 months ago
@James1050 So, you not only feel entitled to call me stupid for my beliefs, you also feel it my duty to pay homage to your every utterance.
Christian-bashing is rampant - much of it right here in front of your face. ( Also, coming out of your face.) Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, et al, seem to live for it. Mass media's into it. Obama's into it. Schools are into it. Muslims kill over it. Political correctness police exempt it.
Looks like persecution to me.
tamething1 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Good is like light, evil is like darkness. God did not turn on the darkness. Darkness can't be turned on. Darkness is just an absence of light.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV) Stop with the intellectual dishonesty about taking passages out of context, it's disgraceful. I should have also mentioned the study which found atheists were MORE knowledgable on christianity than christians themselves. Your book is an outright lie responsible for the death of many millions of people - just give it up already!
James1050 6 months ago
@James1050 Sin came into the world because of Satan and because of us, not because of God. God created us sinless & good. Even Lucifer was originally good. But one of God's good gifts to us was free will, and we used it to turn away from Him - just as Lucifer did. We turned away from the light, and toward the darkness. That was OUR choice - not God's choice for us.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV). Please stop, you're repeating yourself when your pitiful arguments have been utterly dismantled. Brb all knowing, all powerful creator who knows every action of every person into the infinite future - yet it's all our own free will. God knew my nature and nurture which would lead to me not believing, free will is contradicted by his own omnipotence.
James1050 6 months ago
@tamething1 Have you read all those studies I posted yet? I know you haven't because it was only posted a few minutes ago, and even if you weren't as dense and you're making yourself out to be, you can't read that fast:).
James1050 6 months ago
@James1050 I'm a Christian. I'm much too stupid to read. You know that.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 Yes, progress. We have made a lot of it (hampered somewhat by our holding on to primitive beliefs) - but we are doing, hmmm, well, and, despite the desperate and unequal world that still leaves us with, I hope that medicine, farming, the spread of knowledge & information (particularly about pop. control) will keep us alive and moving.
Wars, thefts, lies, cruelties, sexual misconduct, idolatry... religion is saturated with them, and also with guilt - the lowest of low things.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Guilt "is the lowest of low things"? No it isn't. It's a start. It's the recognition of one's misdeeds, without which, one cannot renounce them.
Religion "is saturated with" sins? People are saturated with sins - in religions, and out of religions. What true Christianity does with sin - & what no other religion does so well or, in some cases, at all - is address sin directly & honestly.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 Guilt is the lowest: if you have done something, rectify it and move on. The future is the thing; religion dwells in the past, ruing and moaning and celebrating human sacrifices that probably didn't happen.
Let's leave it behind.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Guiltlessness is a symptom of sociopathy. One can recognize one's guilt, you know, without wallowing in it. Admission is the first step to rectification.
History repeatedly proves that unless we remember & learn from the past, the future will be exactly like it.
The future is the thing? Then, you should like Christianity. It tells you that you have one - that your life does not end in nothingness - and that it can be absolutely glorious.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 "Guiltlessness is.. sociopathy." Agreed, who said it wasn't?
I said you have to take responsibility for what you've done and rectify it.
But to start from the premise that we are all guilty of some fable-crime before we are born (for which we should then grovel for life and eternally) is ludicrous!
History is all we have to learn from. Let's hope we all learn that the immorality of religion takes us backward.
I don't want heaven. I'm going to die, like you.
Lots you didn't answer..?
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Oxygen does exist.
I felt I should reassure you on that account. Don't want you feeling that you are imagining everything.
Peace on earth.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Thanks! :) It's good to know I'm not completely delusional...
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 The nature of being delusional is that you don't know you are!
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@tamething1 I will look at your ref. out of respect for your insistence, but I must say that if you have researched as you claim, then you have seen the coin come down heads time and time again against the evidence of your eyes that it is a double tail.
I entreat you: believe in what you see and wonder at what seems to be an almost unimaginable universe; but do not believe in 'good' things of magic that you want to see as protection against imagined evils.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Well, I didn't insist... but thank you. I mean that.
tamething1 7 months ago
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@tamething1 "Well, I didn't insist... but thank you. I mean that."
Sorry, I don't know what this refers to..
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe This refers to your statement that you'd watch "Know Your Enemy: The Fuel Project."
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 I looked at the intro. Good production. Unnecessary message and theme for the moment. I might look at the rest of it some day, I mean it, but for now, I have a novel to write and a few slaves to set free.
Heaven/hell don't exist because there is no proof (don't tell me you have proof - perlease!) and because it is plain to see that they are manmade concepts to frighten children. Clear-thinking, free people don't need mythical concepts like that.
Don't ignore Cristina.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
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@tamething1 "Good is like light, evil is like darkness. God did not turn on the darkness. Darkness can't be turned on. Darkness is just an absence of light. "
There's a mixture of fanciful nonsense; an outright lie, and a statement of the blatantly obvious here.
IOW a display of what your thinking is all about.
Goodbye
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@tamething1 that's too much specualtion for me, i can't completely write off the idea that when we die, we just die, expire, nothing else. death is a sensitive, sometimes devastatingly depressing subject. all humans fear it and that's what i mean when i say religion is a way to have a positive outlook/attitude and convince yourself that there is an afterlife when in fact there very well may not be. not that there is anything wrong with that but that type of thinking just doesn't work for me.
lilstewie86 7 months ago
@lilstewie86 Thousands who've reported Near Death Experiences believe now that their souls do not die with the body. Some claim to have glimpsed Hell or Heaven, or met deceased loved ones or Christ. They are adamant that they were not imagining this. Most say that knowing changes their lives for the better. Your doubts are understandable, but I doubt they'd invent stories that invite ridicule. One moving testimonial on You Tube: Howard Storm's "Atheist Professor in Hell."
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 Thousands? Yeah!
Actually the number is unimportant (witness the millions of muslim fools)
They glimpsed heaven or hell for the same reasons that only catholics glimpse visions of the v.Mary - it was in their psyche.
When we die we die.
There is no soul. (That seems to be one hard fact for religious humans to grasp) because you would need to believe in ghosts and magic.
We are our brain patterns - and mine says there is no magic or mysticism.
I post to counter the danger of faith.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Thousands. Thus the books, the You Tube Videos, the conferences... Now, why would an atheist - Howard Storm, for one - report encountering Jesus?
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 1) I think it is for you to figure out why an atheist would report a JC-meet. I believe, obviously, that it was delusion. I don’t believe in magic.
I doubt the existence of the person, but even if you proved that (hasn’t been done ever in 2000 yrs!) – and proved the v.birth, and the resurrection - then you would STILL have all your work to do to prove divinity. Our capacity for pattern-seeking is good, but it left us with primitive (and dangerous) myths...
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
Pleas try typing in 'best of hitchslap' and watch it for 15 mins. actually the first two statements are telling.
Or try ZOMGitsCriss atheist umbrella - that's short - but contains reasoning you would find it hard to refute.
'god is funny' by Criss is also short and remarkably true to the facts.
If you can't counter these, your faith is shaky. Which I would want it to be of course.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@StrumstickJoe Watch Hitchens? I have. Hours of debates & interviews, & CD of book "God is Not Great." If only his wisdom were equal to his wit & conceit.
ZOMGitsCriss? Been there too. Sorry, but sharp-tongued vitriol spitting doesn't equal smarts, nor legions of equally rude & drooling fans a case.
Vastly superior sources of information: "Know Your Enemy: Fuel Project" (here); "Orthodoxy" GK Chesterton; "Mere Christianity" CS Lewis; Mark Driscoll; John MacArthur; Todd Friel.
tamething1 7 months ago
@tamething1 the brain is a powerful thing, i've had a near death experience, i blacked out, and for a split second i saw a white flash of light but that doesn't prove anything. There are many people who have claimed to have spoken with God, so how do we define schizophrenia? our brains create illusions, do you ever have vivid dreams, do you believe everything that happens in them? when you want to believe something you create the illusion, no proof, just the brain anatomy of devoted believers
lilstewie86 7 months ago
@lilstewie86 Politely would be nice.
tamething1 6 months ago
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lilstewie86 6 months ago
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@tamething1 LOL whhhat!? what was impolite about my response? just because you don't know how to respond to it, it doesn't mean u should accuse me of being impolite. next time don't say anything, and i'm saying that as politely as i can.
lilstewie86 6 months ago
@DrSpicyNuts that would really suck when you find out there is no turning back
matthewmaki 2 years ago
well i think it would really suck to see your harmless temptations are in fact harmless, and there's no reason not to live life to the fullest while you are on earth
judejudestarr 2 years ago
This is the problem with modern churches today... too much fluff and not enough scripture. why is it that in this 5 minute spiel, I heard not one bible verse... cmon Harris you can do better at making a case for discernment....
moodude16 2 years ago
moodude16, have you heard the whole sermon, don't you think it's possible and quite likely that he used scripture elsewhere in the sermon, it's only a five minute clip, out of what, probably close to an hour? You are right in your concern, and I thank God that there are people who believe and fight for the sufficiency and efficiency of the scriptures, but make sure you are positive before you make accusations...
Chokey530 2 years ago
Amen!
SeekHisKingdom 2 years ago
oh totally... also what's wrong w/ the church is it's hyprocritical, pharisees, doesn't follow the golden rule of accepting the "tax collectors" of our day, and has the holier than though outlook. It's supposed to be, "hey! we found bread! come have some. I get hungry too and I know that you do as well." and that alll! are allowed in. all! wicans, pagans, jews, gentiles, satanists, prostitutes, porn stars, pimps, drug lords, gang memebers, etc. We've lost track of love.
IAmElisabeth1 2 years ago
You gotta be fair man. You realize that this is only 5 minutes of an extended sermon right? Most of this was a story that exemplifies the need for discernment; at the very end of the video I'm pretty sure he was about to read something from the bible.
This story was quite applicable to the topic of discernment but the problem with snippets of sermons is that they are often not all-encompassing as we would like (as far as scripture is concerned). It's just a snippet; remember this. [= All love
wowmanyourock 2 years ago
A chance to be in the lime light is not always a good thing. I am glad that the
prayers of those who prayed for you worked by not putting you in a position of ridicule -- which wouldn't be a bad thing from God's point of view if it were for righteousness sake.
eisenhowernixon 2 years ago
Why do atheists,and people that hate Christians, and Christianity, Search for Christian videos, then proceed to spew profanity and vengeful comments. If you don't like what is being said, don't watch it. In fact , Why search for it in the first place. or remain watching when you discover what it is. And then you are surprised when your hateful and abusive comments get thumbs down.
If you have something to say, PLEASE Do so without abusing the speakers , the Christian Faith.
luciengrey24 2 years ago 2
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This guy is a jackass. Da Ali G show is funny, he should feel honored to be asked on it. Moron.
TwatDidYouSay 2 years ago
If possible it would be better to find the whole talk of this sermon. Because what he said was an intro into the topic of discernment. Which is true in the example he gave he did not discern, he just hopped on an opportunity. But like i said it would better if we could hear the whole talk. Thanks for the post though
phocus1314 2 years ago
"If you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any."
James1050 2 years ago
Good thing you weren't watching a religious guy speaking cuz that would be wild
Danny2Lisa 2 years ago
Total non sequitur. Try and make some sense. Oh and it's so funny looking at all the blatant attacks on christianity which have been thumbed down, while the mockingly obvious ones have been thumbed up by the religious people here thinking they're true. It illustrated their naivety perfectly:). Prove to me there's a god and then come back. Do you know how many religions there are, the odds that you are right (bad reason anyway), there are several religions identical to christianity
James1050 2 years ago
James1050, you just proved to me your own naivety. I won't debate here, but please scratch deeper my friend.
Danny2Lisa 2 years ago
I suggest you try instead of insinuating you have a plausible argument. GO ahead, scratch deeper for me. I beg of you.
James1050 2 years ago
@James1050 You want someone to prove to you there's a God? Really? Until you're receptive, nothing will. A radio that isn't plugged in won't get a signal, no matter how strong the signal. That's not the fault of the signal.
Jesus, God incarnate, was denied by people who saw him standing right in front of them. What did He have to do? Walk on water? Cast out demons? Heal the sick with a touch? Rise from the dead? Oh, wait, He did all that.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 All true because a book said so, right mate. You do know thousands of other gods did much better tricks than jesus did right? Only a fool can believe this, as evidenced by many things: inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ, more religious a country less charity as % of GDP (way to follow jesus teachings!), more christian an area in the US more abortions, murder, teen pregnancy etc. Only a fool believes this stuff, and as shown - a lot of them do:D. Book as proof.. LOL
James1050 6 months ago 2
@James1050 I gave you a thumbs-up.
StrumstickJoe 6 months ago
@James1050 And THAT'S all true because stats say so, right? Oh wait, no. All true because YOU say stats say so - no sources given. And stats never mislead. Doubly true because you managed to slap an LOL onto the end of it.
tamething1 6 months ago
@tamething1 It won't let me post links here. Google this (without quotes): "atheists know more about the bible than theists" The first 3 results all have links and blurbs to the study. Also google "ITT I prove religion is harmful (LONG, debate)" That's a thread with almost a hundreds studies of those I spoke about earlier. All scientifically published, peer reviewed etc. Read up! You can easily find hundreds more yourself, it's not hard to use google mate.
James1050 6 months ago
@James1050 Found it. Read it. Don't doubt it. Why? Christianity has been largely watered down to the level of Joel Osteen rather than Christ. Unfortunately. Equally unfortunately, many churches manage to make the rivetting message of Christianity seem boring. More Mark Driscolls are needed.
Scientifically published, peer reviewed studies about religion being harmful: Would that be like church published, peer reviewed studies on evolution being harmful?
tamething1 6 months ago
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this guy is such an above it all. Ali g makes fun but it is all in GOOD fun. It should have been a honor for him to go on the show. Jeez he can't see the comedy in it and have fun? newt gingrige went on and he is still cool. Josh Harris is to stingy and does not act like christ.
dave1122drum 2 years ago
Wow, Ira Glass does a show about you, now Sacha Baron Cohen wants to make fun of you. You're really In with the In Crowd!
AND THEN YOU WOKE UP!
Who would Jesus fake name-drop to?
Blissinflux 2 years ago
These guys are so full of shit. I can't stand their fake humility as they manipulate people using religious fear, guilt, and shame to do their bidding. And people buy into it, because they desperately need something to cling to rather than getting off their lazy bums to make their own lives better. If there is a god, it certainly isn't interested in the trivial matters these people turn from molehills into mountains. Talking to people in league with these "evangelists" is exhausting.
dralockhart 2 years ago
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people are stupid god isnt real !!!!!
DC44101 2 years ago
I respectfully disagree.
jmobo93 2 years ago
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i dont care
DC44101 2 years ago
Tell that to your conscience, you cant fool that
jaykarroll 2 years ago
define conscience
DC44101 2 years ago
WOW!! Thanks for posting this, because it shows me how much discernment I need to use at school this year! Thanks!
jesusssavez 2 years ago
he kind of looks like bj penn, the ufc fighter
JinXuanJun 2 years ago
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hahaha is this guy SERIOUS?!?!
Ali G is hilarious. and a genius at that.
this guy needs to get his info straight and stop trying to make himself come accross as all that.
jcforjc14 2 years ago
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Yeah!
This guy is an ass.
Peoples lives don't need to be centered aroud god. If there is a god wouldn't hbe want us to be happy and do what want. If god only wants us to worship him then god is a pretty conceded person.
OceanMeetsSky16 2 years ago
God does not want us to *only* worship him. God wants us to simply be in a relationship with him. But the thing is, God does want us to be happy, and he does want us to do what we want. That is why we have a choice to serve Him or not. God doesn't want us to love Him because we "have" to, otherwise we would be robots. He loves all of us, we are all His children, but he gives us the choice to love Him, or not. I worship God not because I have to, but because I know how much He loves me.
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i love how these preachers always have this "modern" look haha with this slight twinkle in their eye and a pyschopathic smile. gives me the creeps. hahahahah
nicmhj 2 years ago
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I was just thinking the same thing lol. The over-the-ear microphone, chic-casual clothing, random graphic design in the background, and probably a "rock" worship band in the background. And usually they're preaching about being "real" lol.
gourmetlunch 2 years ago
haha yes!
nicmhj 2 years ago
what would you have lost?
Dont you have the answers to what he would say?
montgonova 2 years ago
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kulichan 3 years ago
Presumably, in order for Sacha Baron-Cohen's show to work, it has to be set up like a perfectly legitimate interview show...in which case, Harris had no way of telling what was going on in some random European TV show.
redfish87 2 years ago
Borat: Josh ah Harris is very nice!!
MarkPatriots 3 years ago 2
The way you speak of truth is a curious thing. I love the way you speak though.
NismoTyler 3 years ago
I wish that Borat would have tried this on Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill Church in Seattle. That would probably be my favorite interview of all time!
patricklove 3 years ago 2
omg, that would have rocked!
therealdrag0 3 years ago