Alcoholics Anonymous - Use Once and Destroy.

[ndrthrdr1]

@ndrthrdr1 Now it's 1058 days. Thanks, blamethenile. You've been a big help.

[blamethenile]

@ndrthrdr1 Good for you, and congratulations. Thanks for keeping us posted. Mike

[inwood75]

I have alot of footage. I have alot of stories and I am making more as I go along. I am in process of making a full length Documentary.

[inwood75]

I really like this video. So glad I am not alone. Its so true what you say here.

[blamethenile]

@inwood75 No, not alone. Thanks for the post. Mike BD

[blamethenile]

@ndrthrdr1 Thanks for the mention, and congrats on your resolve. Mike BD

[somethingdiffereable]

Long live the anti-AA cult movement!

[irobot2k]

You certainly have alot of time on your hands for hate ......I just don't get why you need to prove your false sense of superiority. If this works for people and their lives improve, what's your problem?

[blamethenile]

@irobot2k If we believed it worked as advertised and promoted, we would not have put these vids up, or answered all these posts. Thanks for your time, and input. Mike

[MrDominick1958]

As a ture Christian I would like to see the subject of AA idolitry. Maybe I'll put some thoughts together and run them by you. I truly think and know your doing a good work here and that AA is very dangerous on many levels. Keep up the good work. I have been passing on your vidios. Realy would like to stay in touch but am new to this way, How do I communcate to you / Threw these posts ? looking forward. Thanks

[blamethenile]

@MrDominick1958 Check our vid "The Heresy of Alcoholics Anonymous", as well as the site reached by Googling "psychoheresy". The "send message" button on Youtube users' profiles allows you to send personal messages. We welcome any and all ideas for videos, so let us know what you have in mind. Several of our vids have been based on themes described by viewers. Mike

[MsGrammarnazi]

I have been "in" for 6 months now. I feel as if I am in a sick cult.

I do believe I am way worse off than I was when I got there; I am not talking about my drinking, just my life!

I am reviewing your videos and trying to hear YOUR story.

I wish you talked in them!

[breda83]

I am veering away from NA/AA for a while now and I feel I can think for myself for the first time in 11 years of being told that I can't think for myself. AA/NA has some good stuff but I have to move on or else I feel trapped.

[blamethenile]

Agreed, it does have some good qualities, particularly early on. Unfortunately, the price of participation soon becomes very high, and without an exit strategy. Thanks for the post. Mike

[breda83]

I do belive it has held me back in the Real World so to speak. It got real scary for me when I saw the old-timers with thier anger and pathological lying. AA/NA use's the same system that governments & Religions use in that in order to control you must first frighten the people then render them powerless.

[dix345]

AA can be fine as a support group.  That , basically, what it is. It may 'want' to be something more. But, that is AA's business. Do what you need to do; if that includes AA for support, that is excellent. It is good for some people.

[violette577]

I started to go about a month ago and it is quite positive. I just wonder if I just changed because I wanted to and going to AA was just like I was doing something to stop and I did or... I don't know yes we r a bit mental maybe but I think it helps. Is it really bad to go? I really want to give a try for maybe 18 months and then decide wether to keep on going or no, It s true it is not only the drinking but I feel so much like them. Maybe it is good for some people?

[blamethenile]

We would never discourage anyone who feels that AA is meeting their needs. If you have watched our vids, you have some insight as to where the landmines lie, so you may well avoid them all together. Good luck to you however it shakes out, and keep us posted. Thanks for checking in. Mike

[nothomeyet421]

I think AA can help people who are alone and need some common ground to develop their social skills. Just remember to question everything. Here's a question to ask people in AA. If I am powerless to change on my own, how is it that I am the one who chooses the Higher Power to rely on to "solve my problem"? Isn't the choice I made evidence that I do have the power to change? Don't let anyone think for you. Trust you heart and cultivate friendships outside the program to keep you balanced.

[sherwoode7]

I began to realize that sitting in AA meetings listening to unhealthy people talk about themselves week after week,year after year was not helpful to me at all.The fear based dogma is not only not helpful ,it is dangerous if one accepts those beliefs.

[MyTherapyBeThis]

Recovery from recovery comes in stages or evolves and your vids show that. Thanks.

[humyepright]

Just because I left AA doesn't mean that I quit searching for answers to my problems. Without AA I can see with clarity the dynamics in my real life. While in AA the dynamics of my life were going upstream backwards in relationship to what AA was trying to force on me as AA's truth. AA's truth (or lies) did not apply to my problems directly associated with alcoholism. AA's program had disastrous results and that is my truth. Life is better without all the AA nonsense and dishonesty.

[thetrulyunrulyone]

Thank you for putting into words what I am feeling about both AA and NA. I have made the decision to leave and I am terrified right now. But I just cannot keep going to meetings and listening to all the crap about having a disease. There are several books, studies and professionals who do not support the disease model and I have decided to do away with it in my life as well. We are not diseased, hopeless, helpless people. We made some shitty choices and need to grow up and change. Cheers!!!

[blamethenile]

Change can be scary. There are several online groups out there for people leaving the12-step movement. Check them out. Mike

[dix345]

AA is, at best, a talking shop. or, a place to hang out. it does not, actually, have much to do with drinking. AA knows that. AA does expect a person to quit on their own. That has to be made clear.

AA has no success rate. If AA had one one, it would make clear that it actually has one to calculate. AA does not. And, it would make it known to others. Do no doubt that for a moment.

[MrJackshuman]

Blamethenile you should feel proud. Everyone involved in exposing AA for what it is should be proud. I'm proud for having gone over twenty years without a drink, and you might as well say, without AA. Every time I tried to go to AA they would simply say I would get drunk if I didn't continue to go to AA (and of course do at they say). AA people are still trying to guilt me by saying I am, or could cost people their lives by speaking against AA. I believe they're costing lives with AA lies.

[blamethenile]

If AA was valid, our criticisms would be falling upon the deaf ears of the untold millions it claims to have saved. Such does not seem to be the case. Thanks for the post. Mike

[breda83]

@MrJackshuman They certainly screw people up with it's quack religious nonsense. I wish I had of gotten clean & sober without that madness

[notspeedy0314]

m & j - kudos.

the sense of disconnection & loss that can follow walking away from XA can be overwhelming. it's hard NOT to express that with some bitterness.

still, there is a huge, invigorating life outside of the stagnant, static, self-referential plateau 12X12 soon becomes. this site & other places on the web are testament to that.

the air is [slowly] leaking out of the 12-step enterprise & god's not doing a damned thing to stop that. there's more of 'us' speaking up every day.

[blamethenile]

Thanks, Speedy. The volume and tenacity of the AA expatriates is ever-increasing, no doubt. The bitterness dissipates with time, I think, given that invigorating life of which you speak. Mike

[AzzholesAnonymous]

Thanks for what you helped start. Thanks to people like you others don't have to feel alone when questioning XA :)

[isegoria1]

We are all part of something bigger now. I look back on some of my earlier videos and cringe. However these are the same videos people tell me, took to shake things loose in their melons and get them to consider what was going on.

Thanks for the inspiration

[blamethenile]

Of course, I learned a lot from those films, made a few friends, as well as enemies, in the process - I am just saying that I am not that proud of them these days. B l A m E

[isegoria1]

We have to ask ourselves, "is the goal worthy of the means?"

Sometimes it really is not.

[blamethenile]

Precisely, and I remember after a long battle at the NA Yahoo forum, that eventually got shut down due to our participation, I had a 'slip' and during that time I created some films, made some comments, and did things I am not proud of. Somehow I made it back from that - I burned out. On a personal level, was it worth it? Not at all. Then again if you isolate an experience and thus only take what is learned from it singularly, then you might also be missing the bigger picture.. B l A m E

[blamethenile]

From all that, you and I emerged as very good friends. The price paid may have seemed a bit high, but it couldn't have happened any other way. We have done good work here, work which wouldn't have been possible were it not for the difficulties and emotional investments. Mike

[AzzholesAnonymous]

What do you mean by that? What is the goal other than exposing the honest truth about XA? I think any stated goal of "taking down" XA is just overly ambitious rhetoric that people who are newly free from the cult can relate to on a pure emotional level that seems to be a part of the process many of us who leave it go through and sometimes continue to relate to.

[blamethenile]

I wouldn't characterize my goal in all of this to be to "take down AA", but rather to tell the truth I have come to learn about it, and to encourage it to see that truth about itself. I can't speak for my partner, but I believe his sentiments to be similar. Mike

[blamethenile]

The goal for me is to speak the truth as I see it regarding the programme, and AA. However I do get concerned at times that just because we can see what is wrong with AA we might unwittingly ignore what could be wrong with us. That was certainly the case for me for a while, but no longer. As for taking AA down, that is not really a primary objective - I try my utmost to respect the individual. B l A m E

[humyepright]

There are many resources that address recovery that are non-AA. Many professionals have written books based on their clinical works w/ patients who can identify areas of dysfunction common to addiction and abnormal human behavior. I didn't give up healing myself just because AA failed to provide a solution. I just don't talk about it much, because AA likes to bash alternatives. I have the best results when I resolve my problems w/out outside help.

[ijmac09]

Hi James

Thank you so much for all the work you guys have been doing, like so many people, it has really helped me deprogram. And the movement is really growing.

As you said in this vid, people just left XA and I knew nothing of what they became...

just all the fear, death, and judgement within XA on those who left.

Can only say thank you guys so much for starting something that has become a massive turning point in my life, to get free from all that conditioning and be myself again.

Mack

[blamethenile]

No, thank you and you are more than welcome. I am pleased we have been able to help. B l A m E

[POLYMORPHLEGION]

you are doing a great thing here. i was 17 when i did my first trip through a treatment facility (12 step na) and new it was bullshit then... but of course everytime i countered an argument with logic i was the one in denial... it's all bullshit. i didn't get clean until i realized i didn't have a disease....

[POLYMORPHLEGION]

*knew

[godlessweasel]

We lost a child because of the abuse we received from the culties after I left and certain people online seem to think this is a huge joke - I take that VERY personally.

I leave their comments up so the world can see what their brand of recovery looks like...

[blamethenile]

That is not a joke at all and I am so sorry to hear that. In a way the comments made by fanatical AA members prove us more right than anything we could say. Thank you for your comment, and I am so desperately sorry for your loss. Jimmy aka B l A m E

[godlessweasel]

Thankyou Jimmy.

I could not believe how quickly those people turned on me after being my friend for 9+ years...They comments certainly do prove us right and sadly they reflect the majority of AA members. My husband found Mr Trimpey and orange's sites online and the yt channels of people who had also been affected by the darkside of the meetings.

It was such a relief to know we were not alone, and so inspiring. Heartfelt thanks to everyone.

[humyepright]

Nice to hear from you! The anti-AA venue gave me a place to go through deprogramming. Some of your first post on OPs shows your own progression of deprogramming. Those angry moments with AA members were helpful for me to deprogramming. I feel good to be able to say I hate everything about AA. I have imagined what people must of suffered "alone" prior to anti-AA on the net. Individual deprogramming through collective deprogramming is a process of time & stages. Life is better after AA.

[blamethenile]

Nice to hear from you too. You are absolutely right, of course. I have followed your comments for a while now; thank you for the encouragement. Jimmy aka B l A m E

[humyepright]

Like with the changing of the eye color: each person is unique with their own set of life experiences, personal dna, and problems. Each person is unique in their positive attributes too. To me AA doesn't even apply in regards to the whole scope of addiction, associated problems, and is religious gibberish. Better life info does exist outside of AA. I wake up each day glad that I am out of the cult.

[breda83]

@humyepright It has this "one size fits all" attitude that is downright cultish & dangerous. I think it is actually harder to quit AA/NA than it is to quit drugs & alcohol.

[OneDarkFlame1]

I hear you! I was amazed when I discovered others felt like I do - you and isegoria inspire me. This is getting bigger by the day.

[blamethenile]

Thank you - and I know what you mean when you use the word 'amazed'. Jimmy aka B l A m E

[isegoria1]

points taken