Re: The Permanent Magnet Motor Debate

[trx125tracy69]

I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN MAGNET MOTORS,I'M GOING TO BUILD ONE SOON,YOUR IDEA IS VERY GOOD,I'VE BEEN PLAYING ELECTRONIC'S,AND AUTO MECHANIC WORK FOR 30 YRS,SO BUIDING IT AND MAKING IT WORK IS NOT A PROBLEM,I WILL PUT A GENERATER AT THE END OF THE SHAFT ,AND A POWER INVERTER TO HAVE AC VOLTAGE,ALL MY FRIENDS PLAYED WITH THIER TOYS,I TOOK ALL MINE APART TO SEE HOW THEY WORKED AND BUILT OTHER STUFF WITH THE PARTS[ ELECTRONICS] WHEN I WAS YOUNG,SO THE MAGNET HAS BEEN A DREAM FOR A LONG TIME.

[LiamXaoh]

I have a free energy motor design that works. Contact me at [comments removed by YouTube on behalf of Greater Eastern Oil Pty Ltd]

[theonethatgoofs]

use the wankle motor design and use coiled elecrtro magnet row to bypass dead spot .turn them on only during that part of the rotation . you just must make one rotation can power the electromagnets long enough .

[Ebdan88]

Free Energi Exist's. Just Research the motor which was made in the 50's and 60's in an east europien country, and Canada. But They dont talk about it at all. The motor could produce 80 times more than it consumed. Wake up Free energi exist.

Our parents and our grandfathers were all Slaves without knowing it...!!??

[MagAirCar]

Really! Huh! So when I start with one fully charged battery and start the energizer rspinning, that is only rotational energy! Okay, I got that much! Then when I connect a second battery, to the output, that is singular charging of a single unti from the original, I understand that part as well. But explain something to me. Between each charging I put the charged battery on the run side and pulled the run battery down with an old used starter connected to the same. Then I will continue .

[MagAirCar]

Thank you for sharing your opinions, sorry so many, who visit this website, are short sighted! Slamming magnets north to norht WILL greatly reduce their life. However, when you build an inverted motor you arrange the magnets both north and south and the number must be equal. An Inverted Motor requires tiny amounts of energy, the bedini SSG can, and has, run for years without failure and without draining batteries. The Future will see this technology mature! Again, thank you!

[dragonamt]

@MagAirCar Even if you can come up with a completely frictionless closed system that was composed solely of magnetic components, you could not achieve over-unity and would not power anything but itself 'perpetually' for that reason. Additionally, that energy is not free (spontaneous), it is potential energy stored in the magnet and therefore is not even truly 'perpetual', it could last a great deal of time but FAR from eternity and as the magnets lost energy the field would weaken.

[alastair78]

Gravity is a external free source. That makes two free sources. Just saying.

Can you link me to a diagram of what you are talking about.

Cheers

[dragonamt]

@alastair78 gravity is not a 'free' source, the idea of free energy is that you can somehow get over-unity in a closed system and that would require truly spontaneous creation of energy which is impossible. By your definition, wind, solar, geothermal, coal, etc. etc. are all sources of free energy as well; you’re harnessing energy or potential energy that already exists.

[clipper0udo2]

@dragonamt Why do you claim these are closed systems? I can't see them in a Faraday cage or similar. Milk factories don't make milk, but they can produce an awful lot of it.

Repeating others supposed wisdom accomplishes little. How do you explain the accepted OU of common commercially available heat pumps?

[dragonamt]

@clipper0udo2 You clearly don't understand the concept of a closed system... and there is no such thing as an over-unity heat pump. You can't make something from nothing, even if you drew energy from a parallel universe or crazy shit like that it would still come from somewhere. If the system isn't closed then it means it is drawing power from somewhere else, it has nothing to do with a physical enclosure. Get a real education because you clearly don't understand even basic terminology.

[ranskye1]

what about the earths ball of hot iron that turns and has a changing magnetic feild. there is contantly a magnetic feild and electromagnetic radiation here already. work out why it is changing/diminishing.

[henrykay01]

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[VaughnVI]

A Magnet is not Charged. It is aligned, becomes conductive to a force that exist outside of it. That's how you make metal magnetic, it re align's all the molecules in the nail, whatever, you use.

Don't you think you could get Direct energy out of a magnet? I mean you get it AC out of two, why not get DC out of one, then put an inverter on the line, a device to separately reverse the polarity back and forth so we could drive motors with it still. Again i'm not sure why this wouldn't be possible

[XZQVenus2]

Great idea of a multiphase calloway v-gate, or "the power of 2 over coming the resistance of 1". I had same idea when I saw that video. Unfortunately I no longer think that will work, since the absolute strongest force on the wheel is at the gate, and all other points are weaker. I believe the combined strength of your other two (or three or four etc.) wheels, will always add up to exactly the stickiness of the gate. No matter what phase or magnet strength, and it will run down.

[ozon12free]

If you wish to make forces you can burn fuel in combustion chamber or you can used steam power to make force. But Magnets make a force .... you know it . Yes, laws of physics are basic.

INTELIGENCE IS POWER!!! Remember Mr. Nikola Tesla

[arachnipope]

It takes alot of power to charge a permanent magnet but it does not store electricity. The input power just aligns the internal poles or domains. The charging power is lost as heat and does not remain in the magnet. Magnets make a force. power is a whole different deal. Also, if any of these devices worked , they would work with any cheap magnets because laws of physics are basic.

[DarrkMatt3r]

to spin a wheel and produce some kind of torque you would need a stronger magnet. wrong again. You better review your physics and the try and wield that knowledge. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

[clubcalichad20]

Electricity and magnetism are intertwined; You cant have one without the other- dont forget that

[arachnipope]

Wishing and believing will not change the laws of physics. A magnet IS NOT A POWER SOURCE. THEY ARE NOT BATTERIES. This is not an insult to your intelligence; it is basic knowlege you need to have. Read knowlegemonger below. He's right on. The cost of your components will buy a good physics book and this will repay you many times over. Again, not an insult. I think you have the brain power to learn real physics, it's much more exciting because it works.

[DarrkMatt3r]

not a power source but a force that can be used to our advantage Check out the james roney stator (magnetic shielding) You tell me if this is true than there it is my friend build one and you shall see

[arachnipope]

NO.....and the universe agrees with me.

[ozon12free]

Don't wory, permanent magnet motor existing and working, but no time jet .

[knowledgemonger]

The force between two magnetic poles depends only on their positions. Think about just one pole held still and the other going past it.

It is obvious that such a simple thing can never produce energy.

Now here is the killer point: If you add more poles to the question, you and work out the forces for every possible pairing and then add them together to get the total. This means that no combination of just magnets can ever produce energy. 0+0=0. Adding more disks can't help.

[GBH2o4u]

cont. other used for the driving a belt or something to a small generator or motor to act as a generator! I thought it woud be cool to mount it on a 3" pvc cap and use a 3'' pvc pipe for the stator that houses the stator magnets, so hopefully once I place the pipe into the cap it will enicate the rotor to spin, I just need to figure out the possisions of the stator mags. Should they also be angled or flat, and their spacing? I know all these details are crittical! Talk 2 u later God Bless u

[GBH2o4u]

I think you have great ideas, I am tring to make one mysef using skate wheels, I however wish I would have found hard plastic ones,mine are a flexable rubber, which makes it allittle hard to drill into, my per. magnets I found a Hobby lobby $3 for 6 and they are 1/2'' wide and about 1/8" tall circular. The way I am possitioning the mags. are little v gate using just 3 in each gate,each one is angled at half the radius of the wheel, iam putting 2 wheels together on to act as the rotor and the

[daveadam27]

I enjoyed your video discussion. I will offer a few suggestions before my word count elapses.

What you are trying to do does work. I am very guarded with my proof.

you are getting close to the answer you seek.

consider a pinwheel (note the axial array of forces)

Direct your magpoles in a radial spiral about axis to diminish diapole effect causing gate.

Once you find the "sweet-spot "in the vortex, use the anti-grav effect to offset core mag-turbulence with a "dynamic modulation switch".write me

[axander511]

If they could make more electricity than it took to magnetize the magnets initially it would indeed be free energy, but magnets aren't storing electricity per say, they manipulate their atomic structure, the wear and tear isn't "running out of juice", there is no juice. However, two magnetic fields crossing paths will give a net profit of zero through a sin wave. You'll need to come up with something a bit more clever.

[gadzometer]

Fight the good fight mate.

[TheRealVerbz]

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[ziikon]

proper term would be called an electromagnetic motor. You supply a little power (from a battery) to move your setup of electromagnets against the permanent magnets, they create a charge which is greater than that of what you used to turn them. Therefor you get more energy to add a load, and recharge the battery, thus sustaining and making the machine run itself.

[ziikon]

also "electromagnets" are made by rapping a coil around iron, then sending a current through the coil and it magnetizes the iron.

[Drevtoobe]

For the fun of it, point me to any clip that you think demonstrates free energy and I will have a look at it and comment.

You are right about the Perendev motor not being real!

[electrician725]

come on, haters are giving

Drevtoobe a "thumbs down", but he said he'd comment, not disprove. WE NEED CONSTRUCTIVE SKEPTICISM in this endeavor! Too many people see a slick video (or even a poor one!) and automatically think Free Energy has been conquered.

Drevtoobe's comments are always honest and usually pointing out what MAY be not as it seems... I've even seen a few where it could be possibly he might be a bit surprised by the concept. Lighten up on poor

Drevtoobe, he's here to help! IMO.

[trompomix]

magnetic motor is possible and is a source of free energy (at least for 20 years) that can by used to generated electric energy to run a car computer or a house

[willberg1]

Theres alot of free energy here on planet earth. If you dig you can find oil, coal and other carbon based fuels. But there is one that has more energy then anyone can gather. The Sun.. Who pays that gas bill? Run a pipe from the sun to earth and suck the fuel out of it blahhaha wonka

[willberg1]

also, the magnet motor is now a work of art by a Japan based company. Its a dual piston three crankshaft engine with alot of moving parts.

[webovisionca]

dude check out the Bedini SG motor. it uses magnets and a coil.

[1800jayd]

Alright I don't know if magnetic motor free energy is possible. A lot of people smarter than me say it's a no go. My thought is using this concept to use energy we are already producing more efficentley.

On rear wheel drive vechiles maybe you could install a vgate on the drive shaft. Above it would be a pulse electro magnet. Timed to shut off at the gate. It wouldn't propel the vechile. Just assist the drive shaft using power from the altenator. Is this possible???

[joshhrst]

as you can see with my cigarette...

i've never actually tried this shit myself

or had sex... i would have used my penis but

you could see the smoke better...

as i was saying this shit works! i've done the research!

[dwprodrum]

Hi Like your concept but where is your model?i have been experiementing with various prototypes.....where yor action?

[PrecisionEngineered]

He is right, where one point is stuck on the gate, TWO other points are opposite THAT point in the middle (on approach.depparture) of gates.

Mine is a little different andbut same concepts.

Of course I have THREE designs that work in theory.

Technically I can have 6, but 3 of them are an sort of enclosed environment :D

[HTSystems]

I think I'll go back to smoking pot and come up with something better than most of the people here.

I'e looked at many here and most are dumb or fake. Things like the MEG MIGHT WORK, but its not from the back emf. Look at Tesla and what he was working on. So think like Tesla and look into the MEG.

[djraven00]

laws of physics? how did thermodynamics become the law when gravity is just a theory? i've been watching this free energy debate play out on youtube and it seems there are a lot of people who only play by the laws which have been written and don't second guess those "laws". just remember that there are more affordable tooling systems and design software available to the questioning scientists who will oneday crack your laws.

[nsteele83]

To chaserehn,

I don't know what your belief on the origins of existence are, but to my understanding the whole universe was created from nothing. Whether you believe that God spoke the universe into existence or that it's all a result of the big bang, something can and did come from nothing at one point in time. Just a thought.

[chaserehn]

Interesting. I have to say I'm stumped.

[davidchenard]

That is an important point that there is no walk around video evidence of the Perendev motor actually working. That video angle allows the rotor to be spun externally. The magnets only have to last long enough to be cost effective and a magnet's life is temperature dependent. They should be kept cool. I believe more than three rotors might be necessary and the magnets angles to each other are key. I hope you succeed too. Keep quiet if you do. Good luck.

[chaserehn]

there is no free energy but there are better ways to get energy then the ones we use today. Magnets may have a big use.

[positivesecret]

who the fuck are you to say there is no free energy, god

[chaserehn]

i hope im wrong its just that the laws of physics tell us you can't create energy. so you have to refine if from something. Thank you for the positive message POSITIVESECRET.

[davidchenard]

Where there is a will, there is a way. Nothing is impossible. There are people who would stop at nothing to prevent our learning about previous and future successes which goes a long way to explain why we haven't and may not. That doesn't mean it hasn't or can't be done. I believe it can.

[chaserehn]

If you can't create energy then where did it all come from? I know that if i created a device that could create energy i would be afraid of telling people. Do you think that an oil or motor company would pay you off or have you killed?

[davidchenard]

Stanley Meyers was offered money to sit on his invention before he was poisoned, so I think they would offer someone money first. They would kill the inventor if he refused, but I think they'd kill him if he accepted too.

[HOPPERFZR]

there's lots of free energy on earth, wind power ,solar power , geo thermal , hydro power , we have been conditioned to a certain life style and are much to dependant on others for our own power needs

[chaserehn]

thats not free energy like we are talking about. The sun is burning gases powering geothermal, wind and solar power. Hydro power is burning hydrogen. what I'm saying is your turning matter into energy. free energy is a device that puts out 101% or more of the energy put into it. as of now science believes this to be impossible. like cutting one apple with a knife and ending up with 2 apples. We have however become much to dependent on oil and its time for some innovation.

[HOPPERFZR]

i am aware of the differences that you are pointing out ,its called perpetual motion ,it might be possible to make a machine that goes for ever but not one that makes more power than it uses

[chaserehn]

perpetual motion is possible. if you shot a gun in space it would go on forever so long as it never hit anything. But you could never generate energy from it. the bullet would be more like a battery, forever holding the energy you put into it. (yes i know you can't shoot a gun in space). because here on earth are machines fight gravity, friction, and heat loss it would have to make more energy then it uses and we all no there is no hundred and ten percent.

[thumper88888]

You can shoot a gun in space. There would be about 15 psi less to impede the bullet through the barrel.

[DustAid]

Hey, thanks for taking the time to post this. It's a common thought to use two more wheels to push it past the gate. The problem comes into effect that the gate has more than 4-5 times more gauss than the narrower sections of the V gate.

I've tried three stators instead of three wheels due to magnet cost. There just isn't enough power in the small and middle part to get past the large gate.

Nothing beats getting your hands dirty, build one and you might find something I missed. Good Luck.

rw

[neorules]

Nothing original here. Build one Dude then solve the problems as you go. Good luck!

[introvertebrate]

Go for it and good luck! I've seen a few motors breaking through the V gate with an electro magnet and it seems to work. crob227 has made an interesting one but not using V Gates, he uses the spiral lay out.