According to PLA statististics in 2000, there are 6933 ethnic Tibetans in active service in the Chinese military. Also worth mentioning is that there is an ethnic Tibetan battalion that saw heavy action in quelling the "Tibetan Uprising" in 59, and sustained 210 casualities in battle. Moreover, the assistance from the ethnic Tibetans are instructmental in achieving the decisive victory over India in 62. Instead of busting propaganda, I only saw the spread of propaganda through this video.
@Zhengyyu Can I see a source for that? I know of Uighur and Hui soldiers in the PLA but haven't heard much about ethnic Tibetans in PLA service. Send to my PM please, thank you :)
"The United States of North America" can admit all they want that what they did was unjust, however, they make no effort at all to correct their mistake, that's why you're just as bad, if not worse, if you're really sorry, you'll realize that Caesar's imperial blood that runs through the British Monarchy that "first" "colonized" or rather INVADED the "U.S.A." runs in your government, and European-Originated "Americans" so, HAND IT BACK YOU FUCKS! It does not belong to you, nor anyone!
Ethnic Tibetan population in Tibet and other provinces...
In 1950s = ~2 million
In 2011 = ~5.4 million
Native Americans population in current US sovereignty...
Before 1800s = 2 million (low estimate) to 10 million to 18 million (high estimate)
In 2011 = ~300,000 or 0.3 million
I understand the apology in 2000 for blatant genocides and cultural genocide, but do not use it as a weapon against China especially when China (not Mao's China) kept Tibetan culture alive today. Ok? Propaganda maker?
@sauron170 ok, my country did horrible horrible things to native Americans, and if we're going to be perfectly honest, short of giving Native Americans the same treatment that Jews got after WW2 (given a country), nothing is really going to make things better. That said, I hate how China treats Tibet, because I expect better from China, they know from when the Europeans (especially the English) abused them. And yet China is now acting like the same people that hurt them.
"How many Tibetans currently serve in the PLA (Chinese military)? "
1. The current Tibetan Governor, Padma Choling, is a (17 yrs) Communist army veteran.
2. The commander-in-chief of Tibetan army, Ngapoi, who fought the Chinese PLA at Chamdo battle in 1950, switched his allegiance. He became a PLA Lieutenant Gen., Governor of Tibet, Deputy-chief of PLA at Tibet, and later deputy chief of national congress. textbook case of turning the foes into your friends.
as a native i laugh at you!! please don't speak for native people!! ignorant statements! our men are warriors and always will be! but i would have to say it's more for 1st nations people's land and their grandfather's...and my grandfather is a vet> because he was a poor native and had no other choice but to join the military...if america admits their wrong doing why is there still suffering among are people!
well researched and well said Mr.propagandabuster. i really laugh out loud when the commies say they freed the Tibetans. probably thats why the tibetans revolted in tibet in 2008 because there is too much freedom? what a joke. i dont know why the commies dont realize it.
Why do westerners cry about Tibet when Blacks are still disparaged in America? Why is Tibet so important to you Whiteys, yet you could careless about the immigration laws in Arizona? Why don't you care about the fact that Aborigines are being wiped out?
Your knowledge of Tibet and Asia is superficial and Bias. How about instead of obsessing over China, you make a difference in your own back yard?
@iliketacosyburritos I am Mescalero Apache the so call whiteys you talk about that I know do not go around and putting Black's down I have been around the world and there are racist people worst than in the U.S. and I heard what they call blacks in Mexico very bad. Black's make only about 12.9% in the U.S. Native Americans only 1% Asians make 4.6% and yes Black's did kill my people during the Indian Wars (Buffalo Soldiers) but I do not hate them. That happen in the past.
@iliketacosyburritos lol it's because the West leads the world, so we have to make sure everybody is behaving. Otherwise, if the CCP does what ever it wants, the PRC could have another Tienanmen Square Massacre incident.
Just wait until China runs the world, then see how "easy" it is.
You want the West to stop watching the PRC? Ok, but I want the PRC to stop pirating and making counterfeit western products! Do you think you guys can stop stealing technology for a while?
First of all, Tibetans and Chinese are the SAME race! The cause of Native American atrocities was because of racism and white supremacy. This is not the same case for Tibet and China.
Second, Mandarin is a sinto-TIBETAN language. For a while, the Tibetans used to rule China.
Third, Tibet used to be ruled by slave labor where 95% of the people were slaves to the monks
Tibet has been part of china for hundreds of years under the Qing dynasty. Do not project your White guilt on china
youre not a propaganda buster. youre a propaganda master. youre right. comparing native americans with tibet is no comparison. the chinese have yet to massacre the tibetans the same way the americans did to natives. tibetans in tibet remain the majority of the population, whereas the native american population is below 5% in usa. if you want to see propaganda busting, come to my site. you can see me expose usa for what it is. chomsky style. even your boy alex jones does a better job at busting
a Yo Tony, Anglo Americans admitted their wrong doings to the Native Americans, after the fact, after their conquest. Thanks for the video though. I like your New Jersey accent. I haven't heard it since I left New York. Keep up the good work brother! Free Tibet! Free China!
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
the loss of native american lives by european invadors are astronomically more than those lost (mostly old aristocrats and their mercinaries) during Chinese "invasion" of Tibet. And the way Native americans are treated cannot be compared to how the Tibetans are treated. How about the "headskin for reward"? So it's natural that the American admit this crime, cuz it's undoubted crime.
@kelly8ization 1, I dispict such criminal activities if it happened and would plead for its just resolution. 2, You seems to imply it involves the Chinese government. For us to believe that, you need to show the proof.
Hey. Tony, Google Dalai Lam's newest lectures in New York (search Dalai Marxist). Dalai Lama wanted to join the communist party, today, he is still a Marxist.
THIS IDIOT *IS* saying: "DON'T DO AS WE D-I-D - BECAUSE WE DID IT A 130 YEARS AGO MAKES IT WRONG BUT HAS NOW BEEN *SOMEHOW* EXONERATED AWAY BY TIME...... - SO ****DO AS WE SAY AS WE IN THE PRESENT KNOW WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST WAS WRONG AND THUS THEREFORE ARE WE ARE *NOW* MORALLY SUPERIOR DUE TO TIME HAVING *SOMEHOW* EXONERATED AWAY PAST EVIL-DEEDS****".
THEN THERE'S MY FAVORITE: WHITE westerners want to save Tibet/Nepal/Sri Lanka/South America/etc. "native cultures" from the horrors of "modern western materialisms"...
LET ME TRANSLATE "horrors of modern western materialisms": "We WHITE westerners want to make sure that the "quaint" "natural lives" are preserved so that we WHITE westerners are able to fly out to YOUR "simple lands" for us to ogle at so thus YOU must stay "quaint" and "simple" (SIMPLE = ECONOMICALLY UNDEVELOPED).
I didn't want to do this, but ur stupidity just left me no choice but to mock at u...
There are ethnic tibetans in PLA everywhere, of course computer geek like u locking urself in ur sorry home everyday don't know this....
tibetans still dress like em, talk like em, and pray like em.... native americans? they didn't make it to kick the invaders ass back to europe like the movie AVATAR,
and AVATAR is not yankee movie, its Canadian's movie...
@hawkforce You do know that being American =/= European 100% of the time, right? So if your kicking invaders out, be sure to kick out the Asians and Africans too.
While I admit that what my country did to Native Americans was terribly wrong, what you said about Tibetan people is not the I heard from the Tibetan monks that just visited my college....
James Cameron might be Canadian, but Avatar is an American movie filmed in America.
Greetings Tony. I am a Communist-hating Chinese (Manchurian is my ethnicity) who also follows Buddhism. What the Commie Bastards done to Tibetan is pure evil but nothing new. Simply put, the Communist Party did the same thing to the rest of Chinese which is wiping our belief, values and whatever they deemed "obstructive" out.
Please go to my channel and access my website (the Deviant Art one). I made a series of maps that will explain why the Commies act and say the things they said here.
well i dropped by by accident today and saw what you wrote here :) if you dont mind, i will use your maps for studying reasons ok?? they seem very interessting to me and very very useful
Sorry dude, but you don´t know much about native american´s oppinion. I am from south america and most of natives here don´t like the way tibetans deal with their situation.
Many people may think we are ignorant people living in the jungle, but that´s a biased view. Some of us have studied history and more, we can check in the present what really happens. What happens is a Dalai Lama lying for the whole world, requiring a freedom that himself cant give to his own people...
Research more about the persecution his 'holy and compassionate' government is actually doing against many families and friends of these families who worship a kind of thier deity. Research history back to Yuan Dynasty, Marco Polo notes and the cruel tibetan 'feudalism' that came later.
If China weren't there to protect Tibet in the past we would probably know nothing or very few about them today.
exactly, leave reserve will lost all the native right. what does it mean, stay in the poor farm.
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dokkiro @Bloodlovefreak Native American had their genetics destroyed so nobody can even claim to be natives. I've heard this native lady talking about inbreeding within reservations and now they are importing Native genes from Mongolia on TV. You heard me correctly. Native Americans and Even Tibetans can be considered Mongol blood brothers. 2 days a
PropagandaBuster (uploader) @Bloodlovefreak: Your ignorance of Native Americans are astounding. That may be due to you being in the UK, while our Native Americans are across the pond. 3
D D D. Ddddd. Ddaaaaa. Ar ya weterded. ? U prolly ought to take some english lessons before history cwass! Owe ya I viewed yur video and does this apple look like a goddamn grape ? Hell no it don't it looks like an apple and I will be damned it prolly is a muther friggin apple?
Ya wanna know what I think I am not going to even watch your fucking trashy little six minute video because u want to speek of a tibetan uprising aren't the tibetans in monasteries and wear molla-molla beads ? Well like I really give a freaking damn about them. What suprises me is that what tribe I am associated with and born into is the one and the only one I will support! So why dontcha move to tibet and become a monk ! NAMASTE. Asshole!
"Native Americans are some of the most patriotic Americans. Can it be said Tibetans are the some of the most patriotic Chinese? "
lol of course this is the case. Native Americans have nothing to identify with in modern day America, they don't even have their own region. Native Americans have had their culture destroyed so absolutely that it has become impossible for them to not be patriotic. Chinese, on the other hand, have kept and restored many temples and actively promotes Tibetan culture.
@Bloodlovefreak: Your ignorance of Native Americans are astounding. That may be due to you being in the UK, while our Native Americans are across the pond.
@PropagandaBuster Just out of interest Tony, have you seen the new released wikileak video? Have you seen what your fellow countrymen have been doing in other countries? Before you dare accuse other country's of illegal occupation, you should reflect on the evils you Americans have inflicted upon other people. Genocide of Native Americans in the past and now the free for all killing of innocent civilians in Iraq.
@PropagandaBuster as depressing as it is to admit, I think the UK person is right for the most part. Think about it, for the unfortunate native American, alcoholism is wide spread in many reservations, while the rich native Americans get a few casino's to split between each other. wow... I feel depressed now.
PS I'm American too just fyi.
WAIT! We were fighting Native Americans in 1918?!?!?!?
@Bloodlovefreak Native American had their genetics destroyed so nobody can even claim to be natives. I've heard this native lady talking about inbreeding within reservations and now they are importing Native genes from Mongolia on TV. You heard me correctly. Native Americans and Even Tibetans can be considered Mongol blood brothers.
@Bloodlovefreak I am Mescalero Apache we have never lost our culture we still have our old ways and stories.
Look what happened to the Scottish and Irish under English rule it is know that between 1820 and 1880 3.5 million Irish fled to the U.S.. Allot of bad thing happen around the world through time and cultures wiped out cant single one country or race India and Hong Kong were also ruled by England.
What good does the the people of the the US admitting. (if it were true) the Native Americans were wrong treated, do? Does it change any thing? Give us a better life? I suggest you start talking to some Euro descent Americans and to see what they really think. You look ridiculous making so many false statements.I also suggest you start naming your sources. BTW, when was your last Trip to China or Tibet?
In 1918 there were not 350,000 Indians left.About 44,000 took part in the war. Most were drafted. The 1/3 of the native s were not citizens. We are patriotic to our own nations, not the US because the govt continues to oppress us, while making billions of dollars off our resources. Most Americans have no idea of what went on here. They are not sorry and would not even consider that this is a situation that needs to be rectified.
For someone calling them self the propaganda buster, you sure are spreading propaganda. You do not know what your talking about. We feel a close connection to Tibet. Many of them live in exile in order to survive, while China brazenly continues to murder them indiscriminately. Our ancestors did not have that option.
I have nothing Tibetans, but most of the "Free Tibet" fake supporters keep using two oppressed people for their benefit. We, Native Americans and Tibetans will not have that. It's rude to the both of us. If you want to make a video about Tibet, then just do that. Don't make fun of Native Americans' suffering.
... @Petetelady2010 I doubt that PropagandaBuster was trying to use sufferings of native Americans for the benefit of Tibetan people... in fact I think it may have been me who exposed the true lives of Tibetan serfs prior to Chinese invasions, but then again by that time at that point it becomes even more crucial to compare Tibetans with native Americans. Because Chinese are using that for a great excuse and justification for the invasion..
Correction, most native americans were drafted in to the war. Don't try to make our suffering seem less than Tibetans. I won't have that. During that time, some tribes in the southwest were put into camps along with the Japanese.
Present day prisons and Laogai camps in China accommodate a similar variety of victims: Tibetans independence activists, Uighurs, Falun Gong practitioners, Catholic bishops, Protestant churches, lamas, mullahs, monks, nuns, labour organizers, democracy activists, human rights lawyers, dispossessed peasants
Actually there is a native American who was sentenced for life in shooting deaths of two FBI agents. Soviet union wanted him in their country exiled in the early 80s. Actually there were many who lived in USSR before and all eventually made their way back to USA. I don't think it had anything to do with communism though. It's just too damn cold.
You mean Leonard Peltier? He's innocent, even if he isn't; he had all rights to protect his people from corrupt policies and fight for better human rights, freedom of speech, assembly and protest. It has been proven he has become victim of an capitalist, materialistic society which used every oppurtunity to turn him into a black sheep while we all know he's innocent while (human) rights of Native Americans have been and still are violated until today.
I doubt native Americans would have enjoyed more freedom more rights than Tibetans if our borders were surrounded by communist countries :) We would be deathly afraid of communists starting revolutions.
@Valfore95 I wouldn't be so sure if he is innocent. I mean at the range he supposedly killed these two facists from Utah(ok this might be considered racist against Mormons but why are there so many Mormons in FBI?) I would be deathly afraid of native Americans if he was around female native Americans breeding more just like him who can take you out from long distances.:)
@Valfore95 Falun Gong practitioners cannot float in midair. I disagree with Chinese policy but in reality Falun Gong became powerful within China and they impeded in Chinas progress. Americans wouldn't like it if there were group of well organized men (who likes to stare at goats) scheming people. But Americans wouldn't stand for millions of Americans becoming brainwashed into organized syndicate of criminal snake oil salesmen.
What's wrong with a sect that promotes peace and equality??? They are much different than the sect of Charles manson who promoted the killings of celebrities like Sharon Tate. Strange; whether it are Aborigines or native Americans; as soon as they promote peace they are labeled as terrorist organisations and a danger to society while in fact we can learn a lot of them. The same counts for the millions who now follow the animist Native American/ Aborigine lifephilosophy instead of capitalism
@Valfore95 if you can show me one definite proof that human can float in midair defying gravity using his or her mind, Falun Gong would have been Chinese national religion in a fast hot second.
We know many sects. FACT is that Falun Gong never did any harm to Chinese people. The REASON they got persecuted was because a Chinese leader, his name is Deng Ping or something like that, got jealous about their number of followers. No matter if you agree or disagree with Falun Gong, the FACT is they never did any harm to Chinese people. Their persecution resembles most of that of the witchhunt in medieval European times
Well it's easy to compare falungong with Charles mason and simply say one is bad and other isn't. I doubt falungong practitioners believe they have never done any harm to Chinese however. They believe they can cause earth quakes. You are right it is a witchhunt. And these people still think they got powers others don't recognize.
LOL, as soon as some has critics owards the Chinese CCP he/she is called a Dalai Lama follower. Well, I'm not, I admire the Karmapa. CCP only blames the Dalai Lama because He seems an easy target but they forget that as soon as he´s gone the struggle will continue.
CCP policy on religious freedom is a violation of human rights. The CCP only accepts "officially tolerated religions" and all others are illegal.
@Valfore95 I doubt it. The struggle may continue but what end? The struggle spearheaded by who? Daleis brother? Most likely people spearheading Tibetian independence will be Chinese secret intelligence network. Most people don't know Dalei met with Mao and he said Mao is a great leader. So Dalei was getting paid by CIA and Chinese were paying CIA... interesting conspiracy theorie but ... makes perfect sense to me.
1) It was not HHDL who asked help from CIA but His brother which he did not approve. The help of CIA ended soon. BTW; you do know that the CIA helped the Chinese to get rid of Japanese invasion?
2) NO, HHDL was NOT paid by Cia but his brother got their help and it ended it the 1970's.
3) If USA and CIA didn't come to aid the Chinese in ww2 all of them would be eating sushi and learning the meaning of Bushido instead of noodles.
@Valfore95 let me tell you something about Chinese. They fought off just about everyone including Mongols Machurian Europeans and Americans too all prior to Japanese invasion. What makes you so sure Chinese will ever be conquered? Let's admit it. Chinese would have won and it was just a matter of time.
Last comment; isn't it strange that CCP blames everything on the Dalai Lama while the struggle for better human rights is supported by many, many monks and ordinary people??? If the Dalai Lama dies the CCP can be sure that the struggle is continued and can become violent because it's HHDL who tried to keep it all peacefull. They kidnapped the real Panchen Lama and their own Panchen is nothing more than a puppet and not populair under Tibetans. The Karmapa's will lead the resistance.
Search here for; death with a 1000 cuts from the account 'sarasterlight'and see how Chinese mindset is thanks for being decades under cruel CCP regime.
Search here for; Chinese animalcruelty. Animalabuse happens everywhere but in China it's worse and animallovers are arrested when attempting to save animals from the cat/dogmarkets.
Also google on; do Chinese eat fetus.
Due to 1 child policy many abortions are done and selling the fetus is booming business. It are FACTS.
The Lakotah have declared independance and though the Native Americans need better and more rights they can at least travel freely in the uS unlike the Tibetans. If the Tibetans could move freely I think most of them would have left Tibet to the CCP since they ahve become a minority in their own country due to Han Chinese mass-immigration. Also it's forbidden to carry a pic of the Dalai Lama, a ban on assembly and protest and they get paid less for the same job as Chinese. These are FACTS.
Virus in children, Bird-Flu, SARS, AIDS, Blue-eared Pigs, Poison laced Dumplings, Toys, chocolates, medicines & Toothpastes, Selling human organs, killing innocent Tibetan monks, pickpockets, Fake products & Disneyland, no human rights, no freedom of speech and assembly, a nation of thugs, industrial spies & illegal immigrants, environmental pollutions and destructions...that's why China is called
@Valfore95 Your comment which sums up the bad side of China has so many wrong claims that I don't even know where to begin at. China is called the cancer of the world? Maybe you call it like that, but China saved the world economy from recession, your country would be "cancer" anyway.
where was Cherokee located and where was it now? who forced them to move? tibetan lives better than them. Why don't hear native american? who own american news? not native.
Those exiles are elite and servants who ran to india after failed up rising supported by US CIA. No comparison? tibet is a state and how about aboriginal people? how big their land was and how big their land now?
For sure aboriginal people join us army fighting in WWII, but their fight failed in home land.
@douboymk2: Really? Then tell me, if life is so good for Tibetans, how come there are thousands upon thousands of Tibetans in exile. While at the same time you can count on one had the number of Native American exiles there are?
Want proof? Google it. Oh, that's right, you can not do that. Ooops!
@PropagandaBuster you don't have to over rate Google. They got enough search engines of their owns. Numbers of exiles comparisons wouldn't mean anything to you all the sudden if someone crouched numbers comparing Tibet with Lebanon.
@PropagandaBuster I am replying to you because I do think he is Chinese. And I have reasons to believe that they cannot get replies anymore since recently.. I am not trying to interfere just trying to save your time.
@dokkiro: If you do not think he is Chinese, then why would you think he can not get replies since recently?
Are you saying he is a non-Chinese in China defending the commies? Or are you saying he is non-Chinese outside of China subjected to Chinese censorship?
@PropagandaBuster It is my belief that he is working for communist China. I have seen them heard them on chatrooms they all sound much the same. Ultra right wing. communist propaganda squeezer. That's what they are. They are robots pretending to be all cool.
He is likely a teenager from HongKong. I almost thought that you were a wu mao dang because your argument was so weak. If he replied with a stupid comment you would know he is not a wu mao dang.
@PropagandaBuster It is my belief that he is working for communist China. I have seen them heard them on chatrooms they all sound much the same. Ultra right wing. communist propaganda squeezer. That's what they are. They are robots pretending to be all cool.
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
@PropagandaBuster do you know the number of Iraqi exiles? Or do you even care? I know I had to ask myself that question. My honest answer was No.. Shamefully my answer was No. I didn't care.
so it is very likely that a 12 year old monk ordered the chopping of limbs from criminals?? a child?
you know that he came to power AFTER the chinese invaded tibet, right? so before that, he didnt had the "power" to order anything in his position AS a dalai lama
how "deep" do you usualy digg into things before you come up with such nonsense?
I am Asian and I am very well aware of Asian traditional customs. Specially the ones influenced by Mongolians. Mongols got married before they turned 10. They learned how to ride horse before they can walk. Yes! Absolutely! It is very likely that at age 12 he was already a confidant ruler because they trained him to be.
@TheMightyGuri no obviously I am not an expert. But I have my reason for my opinion in this debate. Yes my Opinion! Now let me ask you this question. Why do they call it controversy. And why do they call it a debate? Call me a liar just one more time please and see where it will get you.
@TheMightyGuri calling people names is not debate. You may call me whatever you wish but I am still not going to call you any names. I debate because I am not blind. Not because I am an expert.
@TheMightyGuri and no thanks to me for letting you know that these damaging informations about Dalei Lama is rampant on YouTube. I was the one who suggested to you that you got much bigger problem than me.
@TheMightyGuri They do have the full access to all the useless informations. I have seen some of these Chinese officials on yahoo chat I asked him if Chinese are watching Korean movies. He answered honestly "very popular pirated copies but still not allowed in Chinese theaters" I called boycott of Chinese movies in retaliation. "ok no more Chinese movies in Korean theaters then!" interputer girl started laughing she knew I was just joking. He still replied tho. "I am sorry but not yet"
@TheMightyGuri I really don't think that's the approach to take if you want to get Wikipedia to change the contents of their articles. Threatening them to burn in eternal Tibetan hell is not the way.
@TheMightyGuri if you are worried about me spreading lies you should research what's on YouTube. They got news after news interviews about the same subject.
why dont you post some wikipedia links that support all the claims you wrote?? because you cant, you lie! i posted links from wikipedia who debunks your "tibet being a part of tang china" lie some posts ago, remember? i dont have to "force" them, its there allready :p
@TheMightyGuri I will get you the Wikipedia article. I never said Tibet was part of Tang. I said invading Tang general was actually Korean. Wait a sec.
@TheMightyGuri "Serfdom in Tibet controversy" look under human rights in Tibet. There are eye witnesses written accounts. And let me say this Wikipedia is not the most damaging. It's all the people on TV saying all this on news interviews. Watch them on YouTube and look how many people are watching these videos. If that's not enough just look at the ratings.
let me be more specific on this! prior to the invasion, 95% of tibets population were "serfs", claims china! so how comes that year after year, thousands of tibetans fled their motherland since 1950, if 95% of them live a better life than before 1950 as china claims it?
Widespread and numerous instances of repression target ordinary citizens, monks, nuns, and even children in an effort to quash alleged separatism. Seven Tibetan boys in Gansu province were detained for over a month in early September after they allegedly wrote slogans on the walls of a village police station and elsewhere calling for the return of the Dalai Lama and a free Tibet. those "boys" must have been part of the 5% right?
@TheMightyGuri the fact is. Dalei Lama along with 200 families that controlled 93% of wealth left on their own will. Yes Chinese kids with machine guns defeated bow n arrows. But the fact is 90,000(?? I think you know better) people left. I think they had a choice to stay. Sure some Tibetans may feel that Dalei they got is not the real thing. Please tell me where this is all going to. Real living god! a politician! and a religious leader!. You are dreaming fantasy.
yes 93% of the wealth was controlled by 200 families and the lamas and handed out to the tibetan citizens, thats true! there is no recorded case of starvation in tibet before 1950
talking about choice: do tibetans have the oppurtunity to live tibet, travel to india and say hello to his holiness and then travel back to tibet without the danger of getting jailed?? yes or no?
@TheMightyGuri Skoreans don't allow escaped north Koreans to ever visit back north Korea. Do you know the reason why? Findout why and you will see the same reason staring right at you. I cannot speak for starvations before 1950 I am very sure 200 families never starved for generations before 1950 but I doubt they are speaking the other citizens( well just to satisfy you I won't call them serfs or slaves)
tibet was not a paradise! that picture of shangri-la was created in the west because tibet was so "isolated" from the world! now its only isolated from the world from time to time when the CCP oppresses the tibetans and doesnt want the world to see it, right? your chopping of limbs story is still a lie... get over it and educate yourself on your own on this, wu mao dang! stop following the strict party lines or are you scared of lao gai?
@TheMightyGuri I am not sure how many times I reminded you that chopping limbs was not my story. Would you like me go back to Wikipedia article and copy and paste here? I can name the person and his exact quotes of his eye witness account of many hundreds of people without limbs in the market place. His exact quote of accusation and Tibetan denial.
@TheMightyGuri yes it was after listening to some of these so called experts on news media interviews. I did my own checking and sure enough their stories checks out to be true. My exact quote I believe was. Current Dalei Lama might not be a saint everyone thinks he is. he himself may have ordered chopping of limbs.
oh you did your own checking and came to the point that the 14th dalai lama may have ordered the chopping of limbs without asking yourself if he was ever in the position to do that?? wow you go line in line with those so called "experts" from the news media then ;) a real truth seeker lol
@TheMightyGuri Yes he was! At very young age but he was their pedigree and prodigy and they were training him to be the holy leader. I digged deep into this is and my conclusion was, yes it is very likely. Along the trade routes thefts were very common it's very likely that locals settled disputes over thefts rather than going to higher authorities. An American who was captured by Chinese who spent prison time accused of being spy who had absolutely zero reason to lie testified to that.
his holiness is not a politician, he is ONLY the spiritual leader of the tibetans and i can proof that by asking: how comes he is not a member of the CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) ??? go to tibet . net to see who's who in the CTA! there is no dalai lama involved in tibets exile politics! as a spiritual leader, he gives advise! he's very wise and he's a human rights advocate and a promoter of world peace, thats why he meets politicians around the globe! dont you think?
shouting "long live the dalai lama" is allowed according to article 35 of chinas constitution! according to that, the citizens of the PRC have freedom of speech
how comes they throw young boys into jail for 1 month???
@TheMightyGuri if someone wrote "George W Bush suck my balls on national monuments they throw you in jail for 3months here in America. With very expensive fines and restitution. I think you are confuses.
@TheMightyGuri no but I saw a man getting arrested on live tv for endangering himself infront of demonstrating people by displaying a large photo of Osama I didn't know what NKorean flag looked like when I was a kid until I went to my uncles place who kept NKorean stamps. He was a top KCIA.
@TheMightyGuri my uncle is in China working for a corporation. My cousin is in China working for US government enforcing copy rights. If I was in Tibet I would be working and not trying to burn down the city.
Propaganda I agree with you, not comparable !
456inthemix 1 week ago
According to PLA statististics in 2000, there are 6933 ethnic Tibetans in active service in the Chinese military. Also worth mentioning is that there is an ethnic Tibetan battalion that saw heavy action in quelling the "Tibetan Uprising" in 59, and sustained 210 casualities in battle. Moreover, the assistance from the ethnic Tibetans are instructmental in achieving the decisive victory over India in 62. Instead of busting propaganda, I only saw the spread of propaganda through this video.
Zhengyyu 1 month ago
@Zhengyyu Can I see a source for that? I know of Uighur and Hui soldiers in the PLA but haven't heard much about ethnic Tibetans in PLA service. Send to my PM please, thank you :)
Ravensteinzh 2 weeks ago
"The United States of North America" can admit all they want that what they did was unjust, however, they make no effort at all to correct their mistake, that's why you're just as bad, if not worse, if you're really sorry, you'll realize that Caesar's imperial blood that runs through the British Monarchy that "first" "colonized" or rather INVADED the "U.S.A." runs in your government, and European-Originated "Americans" so, HAND IT BACK YOU FUCKS! It does not belong to you, nor anyone!
ComradeFolski 2 months ago
@Cre8iveN8ive yea you are right about the last part.
kelly8ization 2 months ago
Ethnic Tibetan population in Tibet and other provinces...
In 1950s = ~2 million
In 2011 = ~5.4 million
Native Americans population in current US sovereignty...
Before 1800s = 2 million (low estimate) to 10 million to 18 million (high estimate)
In 2011 = ~300,000 or 0.3 million
I understand the apology in 2000 for blatant genocides and cultural genocide, but do not use it as a weapon against China especially when China (not Mao's China) kept Tibetan culture alive today. Ok? Propaganda maker?
Ravensteinzh 3 months ago
ofcource you can't compare the Chinese takeover with the complete murder of native americans.
i don't support the takeover but killing almost the entire native american people and taking their land after saying you wouldn't is much worse.
before talking shit about other country's first take a look at your own.
sauron170 7 months ago
@sauron170 ok, my country did horrible horrible things to native Americans, and if we're going to be perfectly honest, short of giving Native Americans the same treatment that Jews got after WW2 (given a country), nothing is really going to make things better. That said, I hate how China treats Tibet, because I expect better from China, they know from when the Europeans (especially the English) abused them. And yet China is now acting like the same people that hurt them.
Volf99 2 months ago
"How many Tibetans currently serve in the PLA (Chinese military)? "
1. The current Tibetan Governor, Padma Choling, is a (17 yrs) Communist army veteran.
2. The commander-in-chief of Tibetan army, Ngapoi, who fought the Chinese PLA at Chamdo battle in 1950, switched his allegiance. He became a PLA Lieutenant Gen., Governor of Tibet, Deputy-chief of PLA at Tibet, and later deputy chief of national congress. textbook case of turning the foes into your friends.
bg24955 9 months ago
as a native i laugh at you!! please don't speak for native people!! ignorant statements! our men are warriors and always will be! but i would have to say it's more for 1st nations people's land and their grandfather's...and my grandfather is a vet> because he was a poor native and had no other choice but to join the military...if america admits their wrong doing why is there still suffering among are people!
emilyne27 10 months ago
well researched and well said Mr.propagandabuster. i really laugh out loud when the commies say they freed the Tibetans. probably thats why the tibetans revolted in tibet in 2008 because there is too much freedom? what a joke. i dont know why the commies dont realize it.
Naptu69 1 year ago
fuck you!
danksmoka10 1 year ago
Why do westerners cry about Tibet when Blacks are still disparaged in America? Why is Tibet so important to you Whiteys, yet you could careless about the immigration laws in Arizona? Why don't you care about the fact that Aborigines are being wiped out?
Your knowledge of Tibet and Asia is superficial and Bias. How about instead of obsessing over China, you make a difference in your own back yard?
iliketacosyburritos 1 year ago 5
@iliketacosyburritos - Liu Xiaobo
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@iliketacosyburritos I am Mescalero Apache the so call whiteys you talk about that I know do not go around and putting Black's down I have been around the world and there are racist people worst than in the U.S. and I heard what they call blacks in Mexico very bad. Black's make only about 12.9% in the U.S. Native Americans only 1% Asians make 4.6% and yes Black's did kill my people during the Indian Wars (Buffalo Soldiers) but I do not hate them. That happen in the past.
romanobritish 10 months ago
@iliketacosyburritos lol it's because the West leads the world, so we have to make sure everybody is behaving. Otherwise, if the CCP does what ever it wants, the PRC could have another Tienanmen Square Massacre incident.
Just wait until China runs the world, then see how "easy" it is.
You want the West to stop watching the PRC? Ok, but I want the PRC to stop pirating and making counterfeit western products! Do you think you guys can stop stealing technology for a while?
Volf99 2 months ago
First of all, Tibetans and Chinese are the SAME race! The cause of Native American atrocities was because of racism and white supremacy. This is not the same case for Tibet and China.
Second, Mandarin is a sinto-TIBETAN language. For a while, the Tibetans used to rule China.
Third, Tibet used to be ruled by slave labor where 95% of the people were slaves to the monks
Tibet has been part of china for hundreds of years under the Qing dynasty. Do not project your White guilt on china
iliketacosyburritos 1 year ago
@iliketacosyburritos Tibetans and Chinese are not the same race. Period dude.
kelly8ization 2 months ago
youre not a propaganda buster. youre a propaganda master. youre right. comparing native americans with tibet is no comparison. the chinese have yet to massacre the tibetans the same way the americans did to natives. tibetans in tibet remain the majority of the population, whereas the native american population is below 5% in usa. if you want to see propaganda busting, come to my site. you can see me expose usa for what it is. chomsky style. even your boy alex jones does a better job at busting
89yy98gt89 1 year ago
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America:
a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51
b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves.
c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
CHballer1 1 year ago
@CHballer1 whatever it is, you still invaded them.
kelly8ization 2 months ago
@kelly8ization whatever it was, you are a fucking idiot..
CHballer1 2 months ago
@CHballer1 back 2 u and why don't u fuck urself
kelly8ization 2 months ago
a Yo Tony, Anglo Americans admitted their wrong doings to the Native Americans, after the fact, after their conquest. Thanks for the video though. I like your New Jersey accent. I haven't heard it since I left New York. Keep up the good work brother! Free Tibet! Free China!
gohan4585 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
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1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
the loss of native american lives by european invadors are astronomically more than those lost (mostly old aristocrats and their mercinaries) during Chinese "invasion" of Tibet. And the way Native americans are treated cannot be compared to how the Tibetans are treated. How about the "headskin for reward"? So it's natural that the American admit this crime, cuz it's undoubted crime.
forstorage 1 year ago
@forstorage how about making tibetan girls naked, beating them and raping them? Does that ring a bell?
kelly8ization 2 months ago
@kelly8ization 1, I dispict such criminal activities if it happened and would plead for its just resolution. 2, You seems to imply it involves the Chinese government. For us to believe that, you need to show the proof.
forstorage 1 month ago
Hey. Tony, Google Dalai Lam's newest lectures in New York (search Dalai Marxist). Dalai Lama wanted to join the communist party, today, he is still a Marxist.
americaninjustice 1 year ago
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lukebccb 1 year ago
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lukebccb 1 year ago
THEN THERE'S MY FAVORITE: WHITE westerners want to save Tibet/Nepal/Sri Lanka/South America/etc. "native cultures" from the horrors of "modern western materialisms"...
LET ME TRANSLATE "horrors of modern western materialisms": "We WHITE westerners want to make sure that the "quaint" "natural lives" are preserved so that we WHITE westerners are able to fly out to YOUR "simple lands" for us to ogle at so thus YOU must stay "quaint" and "simple" (SIMPLE = ECONOMICALLY UNDEVELOPED).
lukebccb 1 year ago
@lukebccb everything borrowed does not equal economically developed.
kelly8ization 2 months ago
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lukebccb 1 year ago
Well at least "propagandabuster" HAS PROVED my ABSOLUTE point about rightwing reactionary IDIOTISM hypocrocy.
AND the same rightwing reactionary IDIOTS are COMPLETELY incapable of fathoming their idiotcy......
lukebccb 1 year ago 2
I didn't want to do this, but ur stupidity just left me no choice but to mock at u...
There are ethnic tibetans in PLA everywhere, of course computer geek like u locking urself in ur sorry home everyday don't know this....
tibetans still dress like em, talk like em, and pray like em.... native americans? they didn't make it to kick the invaders ass back to europe like the movie AVATAR,
and AVATAR is not yankee movie, its Canadian's movie...
hawkforce 1 year ago 14
@hawkforce well we've been trying since 1492!
whatsgoingon07 11 months ago
@hawkforce You do know that being American =/= European 100% of the time, right? So if your kicking invaders out, be sure to kick out the Asians and Africans too.
While I admit that what my country did to Native Americans was terribly wrong, what you said about Tibetan people is not the I heard from the Tibetan monks that just visited my college....
James Cameron might be Canadian, but Avatar is an American movie filmed in America.
Volf99 2 months ago
@Volf99 you need a reality check. what do you mean that american=european 100% of the time.
kelly8ization 2 months ago
Greetings Tony. I am a Communist-hating Chinese (Manchurian is my ethnicity) who also follows Buddhism. What the Commie Bastards done to Tibetan is pure evil but nothing new. Simply put, the Communist Party did the same thing to the rest of Chinese which is wiping our belief, values and whatever they deemed "obstructive" out.
Please go to my channel and access my website (the Deviant Art one). I made a series of maps that will explain why the Commies act and say the things they said here.
Policorrectus 1 year ago
@Policorrectus - Thank you. I looked at those maps and saved them. They were very informative.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@Policorrectus
well i dropped by by accident today and saw what you wrote here :) if you dont mind, i will use your maps for studying reasons ok?? they seem very interessting to me and very very useful
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
Sorry dude, but you don´t know much about native american´s oppinion. I am from south america and most of natives here don´t like the way tibetans deal with their situation.
Many people may think we are ignorant people living in the jungle, but that´s a biased view. Some of us have studied history and more, we can check in the present what really happens. What happens is a Dalai Lama lying for the whole world, requiring a freedom that himself cant give to his own people...
Yaporoge 1 year ago 2
Research more about the persecution his 'holy and compassionate' government is actually doing against many families and friends of these families who worship a kind of thier deity. Research history back to Yuan Dynasty, Marco Polo notes and the cruel tibetan 'feudalism' that came later.
If China weren't there to protect Tibet in the past we would probably know nothing or very few about them today.
Yaporoge 1 year ago 2
exactly, leave reserve will lost all the native right. what does it mean, stay in the poor farm.
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dokkiro @Bloodlovefreak Native American had their genetics destroyed so nobody can even claim to be natives. I've heard this native lady talking about inbreeding within reservations and now they are importing Native genes from Mongolia on TV. You heard me correctly. Native Americans and Even Tibetans can be considered Mongol blood brothers. 2 days a
CanCayate2 1 year ago
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PropagandaBuster (uploader) @Bloodlovefreak: Your ignorance of Native Americans are astounding. That may be due to you being in the UK, while our Native Americans are across the pond. 3
CanCayate2 1 year ago
D D D. Ddddd. Ddaaaaa. Ar ya weterded. ? U prolly ought to take some english lessons before history cwass! Owe ya I viewed yur video and does this apple look like a goddamn grape ? Hell no it don't it looks like an apple and I will be damned it prolly is a muther friggin apple?
bionic666ranger 1 year ago
Ya wanna know what I think I am not going to even watch your fucking trashy little six minute video because u want to speek of a tibetan uprising aren't the tibetans in monasteries and wear molla-molla beads ? Well like I really give a freaking damn about them. What suprises me is that what tribe I am associated with and born into is the one and the only one I will support! So why dontcha move to tibet and become a monk ! NAMASTE. Asshole!
bionic666ranger 1 year ago
this is the first video i agree with you no comparison fuck the communist scum.
judoisoww 1 year ago
"Native Americans are some of the most patriotic Americans. Can it be said Tibetans are the some of the most patriotic Chinese? "
lol of course this is the case. Native Americans have nothing to identify with in modern day America, they don't even have their own region. Native Americans have had their culture destroyed so absolutely that it has become impossible for them to not be patriotic. Chinese, on the other hand, have kept and restored many temples and actively promotes Tibetan culture.
Bloodlovefreak 1 year ago
@Bloodlovefreak: Your ignorance of Native Americans are astounding. That may be due to you being in the UK, while our Native Americans are across the pond.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster Just out of interest Tony, have you seen the new released wikileak video? Have you seen what your fellow countrymen have been doing in other countries? Before you dare accuse other country's of illegal occupation, you should reflect on the evils you Americans have inflicted upon other people. Genocide of Native Americans in the past and now the free for all killing of innocent civilians in Iraq.
Bloodlovefreak 1 year ago
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@PropagandaBuster
our Native Americans are across the pond. ROFL. I live in your neighbor and I never set my foot into state.
CanCayate2 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster as depressing as it is to admit, I think the UK person is right for the most part. Think about it, for the unfortunate native American, alcoholism is wide spread in many reservations, while the rich native Americans get a few casino's to split between each other. wow... I feel depressed now.
PS I'm American too just fyi.
WAIT! We were fighting Native Americans in 1918?!?!?!?
Volf99 2 months ago
@Bloodlovefreak Native American had their genetics destroyed so nobody can even claim to be natives. I've heard this native lady talking about inbreeding within reservations and now they are importing Native genes from Mongolia on TV. You heard me correctly. Native Americans and Even Tibetans can be considered Mongol blood brothers.
dokkiro 1 year ago 2
@Bloodlovefreak I am Mescalero Apache we have never lost our culture we still have our old ways and stories.
Look what happened to the Scottish and Irish under English rule it is know that between 1820 and 1880 3.5 million Irish fled to the U.S.. Allot of bad thing happen around the world through time and cultures wiped out cant single one country or race India and Hong Kong were also ruled by England.
romanobritish 10 months ago
Words that can melt metals! Absolutely right!
Thank you very much, Sir, Mr. Tony!
thtp 1 year ago
What good does the the people of the the US admitting. (if it were true) the Native Americans were wrong treated, do? Does it change any thing? Give us a better life? I suggest you start talking to some Euro descent Americans and to see what they really think. You look ridiculous making so many false statements.I also suggest you start naming your sources. BTW, when was your last Trip to China or Tibet?
apachesbutterfly 1 year ago 3
In 1918 there were not 350,000 Indians left.About 44,000 took part in the war. Most were drafted. The 1/3 of the native s were not citizens. We are patriotic to our own nations, not the US because the govt continues to oppress us, while making billions of dollars off our resources. Most Americans have no idea of what went on here. They are not sorry and would not even consider that this is a situation that needs to be rectified.
apachesbutterfly 1 year ago
@apachebutterfly thank you. I knew he would be wrong with that figure also but I just couldn't prove it.
dokkiro 1 year ago
For someone calling them self the propaganda buster, you sure are spreading propaganda. You do not know what your talking about. We feel a close connection to Tibet. Many of them live in exile in order to survive, while China brazenly continues to murder them indiscriminately. Our ancestors did not have that option.
apachesbutterfly 1 year ago 2
I have nothing Tibetans, but most of the "Free Tibet" fake supporters keep using two oppressed people for their benefit. We, Native Americans and Tibetans will not have that. It's rude to the both of us. If you want to make a video about Tibet, then just do that. Don't make fun of Native Americans' suffering.
Petitelady2010 1 year ago 3
... @Petetelady2010 I doubt that PropagandaBuster was trying to use sufferings of native Americans for the benefit of Tibetan people... in fact I think it may have been me who exposed the true lives of Tibetan serfs prior to Chinese invasions, but then again by that time at that point it becomes even more crucial to compare Tibetans with native Americans. Because Chinese are using that for a great excuse and justification for the invasion..
dokkiro 1 year ago
Correction, most native americans were drafted in to the war. Don't try to make our suffering seem less than Tibetans. I won't have that. During that time, some tribes in the southwest were put into camps along with the Japanese.
Petitelady2010 1 year ago
Bravo mister Buster!
MissingVoices77 1 year ago
Present day prisons and Laogai camps in China accommodate a similar variety of victims: Tibetans independence activists, Uighurs, Falun Gong practitioners, Catholic bishops, Protestant churches, lamas, mullahs, monks, nuns, labour organizers, democracy activists, human rights lawyers, dispossessed peasants
Valfore95 1 year ago
Actually there is a native American who was sentenced for life in shooting deaths of two FBI agents. Soviet union wanted him in their country exiled in the early 80s. Actually there were many who lived in USSR before and all eventually made their way back to USA. I don't think it had anything to do with communism though. It's just too damn cold.
dokkiro 1 year ago
You mean Leonard Peltier? He's innocent, even if he isn't; he had all rights to protect his people from corrupt policies and fight for better human rights, freedom of speech, assembly and protest. It has been proven he has become victim of an capitalist, materialistic society which used every oppurtunity to turn him into a black sheep while we all know he's innocent while (human) rights of Native Americans have been and still are violated until today.
Still they have more rights than Tibetans
Valfore95 1 year ago
I doubt native Americans would have enjoyed more freedom more rights than Tibetans if our borders were surrounded by communist countries :) We would be deathly afraid of communists starting revolutions.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@Valfore95 I wouldn't be so sure if he is innocent. I mean at the range he supposedly killed these two facists from Utah(ok this might be considered racist against Mormons but why are there so many Mormons in FBI?) I would be deathly afraid of native Americans if he was around female native Americans breeding more just like him who can take you out from long distances.:)
dokkiro 1 year ago
@Valfore95 Falun Gong practitioners cannot float in midair. I disagree with Chinese policy but in reality Falun Gong became powerful within China and they impeded in Chinas progress. Americans wouldn't like it if there were group of well organized men (who likes to stare at goats) scheming people. But Americans wouldn't stand for millions of Americans becoming brainwashed into organized syndicate of criminal snake oil salesmen.
dokkiro 1 year ago
What's wrong with a sect that promotes peace and equality??? They are much different than the sect of Charles manson who promoted the killings of celebrities like Sharon Tate. Strange; whether it are Aborigines or native Americans; as soon as they promote peace they are labeled as terrorist organisations and a danger to society while in fact we can learn a lot of them. The same counts for the millions who now follow the animist Native American/ Aborigine lifephilosophy instead of capitalism
Valfore95 1 year ago
@Valfore95 if you can show me one definite proof that human can float in midair defying gravity using his or her mind, Falun Gong would have been Chinese national religion in a fast hot second.
dokkiro 1 year ago
We know many sects. FACT is that Falun Gong never did any harm to Chinese people. The REASON they got persecuted was because a Chinese leader, his name is Deng Ping or something like that, got jealous about their number of followers. No matter if you agree or disagree with Falun Gong, the FACT is they never did any harm to Chinese people. Their persecution resembles most of that of the witchhunt in medieval European times
Valfore95 1 year ago
Well it's easy to compare falungong with Charles mason and simply say one is bad and other isn't. I doubt falungong practitioners believe they have never done any harm to Chinese however. They believe they can cause earth quakes. You are right it is a witchhunt. And these people still think they got powers others don't recognize.
dokkiro 1 year ago
LOL, as soon as some has critics owards the Chinese CCP he/she is called a Dalai Lama follower. Well, I'm not, I admire the Karmapa. CCP only blames the Dalai Lama because He seems an easy target but they forget that as soon as he´s gone the struggle will continue.
CCP policy on religious freedom is a violation of human rights. The CCP only accepts "officially tolerated religions" and all others are illegal.
Valfore95 1 year ago
@Valfore95 I doubt it. The struggle may continue but what end? The struggle spearheaded by who? Daleis brother? Most likely people spearheading Tibetian independence will be Chinese secret intelligence network. Most people don't know Dalei met with Mao and he said Mao is a great leader. So Dalei was getting paid by CIA and Chinese were paying CIA... interesting conspiracy theorie but ... makes perfect sense to me.
dokkiro 1 year ago
Let me enlighten you with FACTS.
1) It was not HHDL who asked help from CIA but His brother which he did not approve. The help of CIA ended soon. BTW; you do know that the CIA helped the Chinese to get rid of Japanese invasion?
2) NO, HHDL was NOT paid by Cia but his brother got their help and it ended it the 1970's.
3) If USA and CIA didn't come to aid the Chinese in ww2 all of them would be eating sushi and learning the meaning of Bushido instead of noodles.
Valfore95 1 year ago
@Valfore95 let me tell you something about Chinese. They fought off just about everyone including Mongols Machurian Europeans and Americans too all prior to Japanese invasion. What makes you so sure Chinese will ever be conquered? Let's admit it. Chinese would have won and it was just a matter of time.
dokkiro 1 year ago
Last comment; isn't it strange that CCP blames everything on the Dalai Lama while the struggle for better human rights is supported by many, many monks and ordinary people??? If the Dalai Lama dies the CCP can be sure that the struggle is continued and can become violent because it's HHDL who tried to keep it all peacefull. They kidnapped the real Panchen Lama and their own Panchen is nothing more than a puppet and not populair under Tibetans. The Karmapa's will lead the resistance.
Valfore95 1 year ago
Search here for; death with a 1000 cuts from the account 'sarasterlight'and see how Chinese mindset is thanks for being decades under cruel CCP regime.
Search here for; Chinese animalcruelty. Animalabuse happens everywhere but in China it's worse and animallovers are arrested when attempting to save animals from the cat/dogmarkets.
Also google on; do Chinese eat fetus.
Due to 1 child policy many abortions are done and selling the fetus is booming business. It are FACTS.
Valfore95 1 year ago
The Lakotah have declared independance and though the Native Americans need better and more rights they can at least travel freely in the uS unlike the Tibetans. If the Tibetans could move freely I think most of them would have left Tibet to the CCP since they ahve become a minority in their own country due to Han Chinese mass-immigration. Also it's forbidden to carry a pic of the Dalai Lama, a ban on assembly and protest and they get paid less for the same job as Chinese. These are FACTS.
Valfore95 1 year ago
CanCayate is Wu Mao.
Search here for; Oiwan Lam: China's 50-cent Twitter censors
Valfore95 1 year ago
Virus in children, Bird-Flu, SARS, AIDS, Blue-eared Pigs, Poison laced Dumplings, Toys, chocolates, medicines & Toothpastes, Selling human organs, killing innocent Tibetan monks, pickpockets, Fake products & Disneyland, no human rights, no freedom of speech and assembly, a nation of thugs, industrial spies & illegal immigrants, environmental pollutions and destructions...that's why China is called
CANCER OF THE WORLD
Valfore95 1 year ago
@Valfore95 Your comment which sums up the bad side of China has so many wrong claims that I don't even know where to begin at. China is called the cancer of the world? Maybe you call it like that, but China saved the world economy from recession, your country would be "cancer" anyway.
Deuszxable 1 year ago
good vid, good points
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
It was hundred and thousands ran with dalai. are majority are monks and servants.
In fact thousands and thousands ( miliions) are still in China and not hundred and thousands ran to dalai.
CanCayate2 1 year ago
PropagandaBuster,
congradulation you got another income from dalai in fact secret money from your government. which the same way support IRAQ, afg ..,
CanCayate2 1 year ago
look at your video about Sea Shepherd? ROFL
don't you know that California restaurant shuts after whale meat sting?
CanCayate2 1 year ago
PropagandaBuster (tokyo rose)
where was Cherokee located and where was it now? who forced them to move? tibetan lives better than them. Why don't hear native american? who own american news? not native.
CanCayate2 1 year ago
PropagandaBuster,
Those exiles are elite and servants who ran to india after failed up rising supported by US CIA. No comparison? tibet is a state and how about aboriginal people? how big their land was and how big their land now?
For sure aboriginal people join us army fighting in WWII, but their fight failed in home land.
CanCayate2 1 year ago
★★★★★
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago 2
Well pointed! You always say it as it is and I respect that.
Rigpa7 1 year ago 3
No comparison? damn right
native americans were exterminated. They were forced to live in reservations and are now suffering from alcoholism and pooverty.
In china, tibetans now have access to all modern amenities. life span has increased, literacy rates up, the whole lot
douboymk2 1 year ago
@douboymk2: Really? Then tell me, if life is so good for Tibetans, how come there are thousands upon thousands of Tibetans in exile. While at the same time you can count on one had the number of Native American exiles there are?
Want proof? Google it. Oh, that's right, you can not do that. Ooops!
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster you don't have to over rate Google. They got enough search engines of their owns. Numbers of exiles comparisons wouldn't mean anything to you all the sudden if someone crouched numbers comparing Tibet with Lebanon.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster arrrggg. damn it. I meant to type crunched numbers. I really regret getting this touch screen phone. Can't type with this thing.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@dokkiro: I do not mean to be rude to you, but his exchange is between douboymk2 and I, you do not need to interfere.
Let douboymk2 address the question, not you.
Unless of course if you are a commie apologist. Are you?
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster I am replying to you because I do think he is Chinese. And I have reasons to believe that they cannot get replies anymore since recently.. I am not trying to interfere just trying to save your time.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@dokkiro: If you do not think he is Chinese, then why would you think he can not get replies since recently?
Are you saying he is a non-Chinese in China defending the commies? Or are you saying he is non-Chinese outside of China subjected to Chinese censorship?
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster It is my belief that he is working for communist China. I have seen them heard them on chatrooms they all sound much the same. Ultra right wing. communist propaganda squeezer. That's what they are. They are robots pretending to be all cool.
dokkiro 1 year ago 3
@PropagandaBuster I wrote.. I do think he is Chinese. I didn't write I don't think he is Chinese.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@dokkiro
your guess is right, douboymk2 is a wu mao dang
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri
He is likely a teenager from HongKong. I almost thought that you were a wu mao dang because your argument was so weak. If he replied with a stupid comment you would know he is not a wu mao dang.
dokkiro 1 year ago
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@PropagandaBuster It is my belief that he is working for communist China. I have seen them heard them on chatrooms they all sound much the same. Ultra right wing. communist propaganda squeezer. That's what they are. They are robots pretending to be all cool.
dokkiro 1 year ago
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@PropagandaBuster
1, no comparison between Tibet-China and Indians-America: a, life lost: ~2million indians by Americans and 5000 Tibetan SOLDIERS killed by China during 50-51 b, humanity: inhumane treatment of Indians (100 pound for a headskin from over 12 yo); vs land handed over to the freed tibetan slaves. c, nature: invasion of America by Europeans, vs China reclaim Tibet that was reigned by Qing Dynasty.
forstorage 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster do you know the number of Iraqi exiles? Or do you even care? I know I had to ask myself that question. My honest answer was No.. Shamefully my answer was No. I didn't care.
dokkiro 1 year ago
free tibet
9json 1 year ago 2
@9json
go shove your free tibet bumper sticker up rchard gere's ass.
watch out for gerbils
douboymk2 1 year ago
@douboymk2
lao gai open for your brothers and sisters
do you support "your" people??
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
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dokkiro 1 year ago
so it is very likely that a 12 year old monk ordered the chopping of limbs from criminals?? a child?
you know that he came to power AFTER the chinese invaded tibet, right? so before that, he didnt had the "power" to order anything in his position AS a dalai lama
how "deep" do you usualy digg into things before you come up with such nonsense?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
I am Asian and I am very well aware of Asian traditional customs. Specially the ones influenced by Mongolians. Mongols got married before they turned 10. They learned how to ride horse before they can walk. Yes! Absolutely! It is very likely that at age 12 he was already a confidant ruler because they trained him to be.
dokkiro 1 year ago
"I am Asian and I am very well aware of Asian traditional customs"
sure... now you're an expert on tibetan culture??? so i can ask you anything and you can tell me how it works?? can i try it?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri no obviously I am not an expert. But I have my reason for my opinion in this debate. Yes my Opinion! Now let me ask you this question. Why do they call it controversy. And why do they call it a debate? Call me a liar just one more time please and see where it will get you.
dokkiro 1 year ago
how can you debate on something you dont know anything about it?
but you're right: talking stuff that you've read somewhere (his holiness was a slave master, 95% of tibetas where serfs etc.) doesnt make you a liar
but a fool
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri calling people names is not debate. You may call me whatever you wish but I am still not going to call you any names. I debate because I am not blind. Not because I am an expert.
dokkiro 1 year ago
no, you ARE blind
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri that's really scarely.. coming from a supporter of Dalei. If you had the power you would blind me wouldn't you?
dokkiro 1 year ago
im a supporter of the tibetan cause, im not a buddhist
i wouldnt blind you, i would give you eyes and a brain if i had the power to
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri do you realize that you are not debating now? You keep resorting to accusations and insults on my character and integrity .
dokkiro 1 year ago
do you realize that it is a waste of time to debate on this with you any further? i rather use my time to speak someone who's able to raise his mind
what part of "we chinese occupied a country" you didnt understand in our debate?
see?? you got my point
now have a nice time betraying your own chinese people
lao gai's are open for them
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri and no thanks to me for letting you know that these damaging informations about Dalei Lama is rampant on YouTube. I was the one who suggested to you that you got much bigger problem than me.
dokkiro 1 year ago
people with acess to youtube have acess to information that is also been blocked in china and surely know it better
so there is no need to thank you, thank to the CCP for being so insecure
that proofs who lies
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri yes they are very insecure as you were just now. I wouldn't call that a proof because I am not calling you a liar yet.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri They do have the full access to all the useless informations. I have seen some of these Chinese officials on yahoo chat I asked him if Chinese are watching Korean movies. He answered honestly "very popular pirated copies but still not allowed in Chinese theaters" I called boycott of Chinese movies in retaliation. "ok no more Chinese movies in Korean theaters then!" interputer girl started laughing she knew I was just joking. He still replied tho. "I am sorry but not yet"
dokkiro 1 year ago
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dokkiro 1 year ago
i really hope that the all losers who write commie propaganda about tibet here, dont believe anything of this BS and getting forced or paid to do that
otherwise i feel pitty for you and everyone who's related to you in a way
maybe destiny prevail
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri I really don't think that's the approach to take if you want to get Wikipedia to change the contents of their articles. Threatening them to burn in eternal Tibetan hell is not the way.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@dokkiro
aaaaah shut up wu mao
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri if you are worried about me spreading lies you should research what's on YouTube. They got news after news interviews about the same subject.
dokkiro 1 year ago
why dont you post some wikipedia links that support all the claims you wrote?? because you cant, you lie! i posted links from wikipedia who debunks your "tibet being a part of tang china" lie some posts ago, remember? i dont have to "force" them, its there allready :p
wu mao dang
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri I will get you the Wikipedia article. I never said Tibet was part of Tang. I said invading Tang general was actually Korean. Wait a sec.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri "Serfdom in Tibet controversy" look under human rights in Tibet. There are eye witnesses written accounts. And let me say this Wikipedia is not the most damaging. It's all the people on TV saying all this on news interviews. Watch them on YouTube and look how many people are watching these videos. If that's not enough just look at the ratings.
dokkiro 1 year ago
"Chinese sources assert human rights abuses as a justification for the Communist invasion"
the best i ever heard :D what about all the human rights abuses today who have been done by the communists??
if 95% of all tibetans had been serfs, how many of those 5% who wasnt serfs live in tibet today and how comes they want his holiness back?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
let me be more specific on this! prior to the invasion, 95% of tibets population were "serfs", claims china! so how comes that year after year, thousands of tibetans fled their motherland since 1950, if 95% of them live a better life than before 1950 as china claims it?
use common sense -.-
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
Widespread and numerous instances of repression target ordinary citizens, monks, nuns, and even children in an effort to quash alleged separatism. Seven Tibetan boys in Gansu province were detained for over a month in early September after they allegedly wrote slogans on the walls of a village police station and elsewhere calling for the return of the Dalai Lama and a free Tibet. those "boys" must have been part of the 5% right?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri the fact is. Dalei Lama along with 200 families that controlled 93% of wealth left on their own will. Yes Chinese kids with machine guns defeated bow n arrows. But the fact is 90,000(?? I think you know better) people left. I think they had a choice to stay. Sure some Tibetans may feel that Dalei they got is not the real thing. Please tell me where this is all going to. Real living god! a politician! and a religious leader!. You are dreaming fantasy.
dokkiro 1 year ago
yes 93% of the wealth was controlled by 200 families and the lamas and handed out to the tibetan citizens, thats true! there is no recorded case of starvation in tibet before 1950
talking about choice: do tibetans have the oppurtunity to live tibet, travel to india and say hello to his holiness and then travel back to tibet without the danger of getting jailed?? yes or no?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri Skoreans don't allow escaped north Koreans to ever visit back north Korea. Do you know the reason why? Findout why and you will see the same reason staring right at you. I cannot speak for starvations before 1950 I am very sure 200 families never starved for generations before 1950 but I doubt they are speaking the other citizens( well just to satisfy you I won't call them serfs or slaves)
dokkiro 1 year ago
the word "starvation" and any other word with the similar meaning doesnt exist in tibetan language
is that proof enough?
(i wont call you wu mao dang just to satisfy you)
so i will call you betrayer of your own brothers and sisters since you support the politics of the CCP
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri Tibet was a paradise with no killings and starvations just serfdoms and chopping limbs until bad commies invaded peaceful Tibet.
dokkiro 1 year ago
tibet was not a paradise! that picture of shangri-la was created in the west because tibet was so "isolated" from the world! now its only isolated from the world from time to time when the CCP oppresses the tibetans and doesnt want the world to see it, right? your chopping of limbs story is still a lie... get over it and educate yourself on your own on this, wu mao dang! stop following the strict party lines or are you scared of lao gai?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri I am not sure how many times I reminded you that chopping limbs was not my story. Would you like me go back to Wikipedia article and copy and paste here? I can name the person and his exact quotes of his eye witness account of many hundreds of people without limbs in the market place. His exact quote of accusation and Tibetan denial.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri you are not fighting me. You are fighting Wikipedia and media coverages interviewing these people all saying the samething
dokkiro 1 year ago
wasnt it your words that the dalai lama ordered those atrocities?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri yes it was after listening to some of these so called experts on news media interviews. I did my own checking and sure enough their stories checks out to be true. My exact quote I believe was. Current Dalei Lama might not be a saint everyone thinks he is. he himself may have ordered chopping of limbs.
dokkiro 1 year ago
oh you did your own checking and came to the point that the 14th dalai lama may have ordered the chopping of limbs without asking yourself if he was ever in the position to do that?? wow you go line in line with those so called "experts" from the news media then ;) a real truth seeker lol
what a weak person you are
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri Yes he was! At very young age but he was their pedigree and prodigy and they were training him to be the holy leader. I digged deep into this is and my conclusion was, yes it is very likely. Along the trade routes thefts were very common it's very likely that locals settled disputes over thefts rather than going to higher authorities. An American who was captured by Chinese who spent prison time accused of being spy who had absolutely zero reason to lie testified to that.
dokkiro 1 year ago
his holiness is not a politician, he is ONLY the spiritual leader of the tibetans and i can proof that by asking: how comes he is not a member of the CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) ??? go to tibet . net to see who's who in the CTA! there is no dalai lama involved in tibets exile politics! as a spiritual leader, he gives advise! he's very wise and he's a human rights advocate and a promoter of world peace, thats why he meets politicians around the globe! dont you think?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri I don't think that's the reason for the graffiti. Some boys were day dreaming.
dokkiro 1 year ago
shouting "long live the dalai lama" is allowed according to article 35 of chinas constitution! according to that, the citizens of the PRC have freedom of speech
how comes they throw young boys into jail for 1 month???
are you day dreaming?
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri if someone wrote "George W Bush suck my balls on national monuments they throw you in jail for 3months here in America. With very expensive fines and restitution. I think you are confuses.
dokkiro 1 year ago
do you get arrested and thrown into jail as a US citizen if you carry a picture of Osama Bin Laden??? once again, stay in tibet please
TheMightyGuri 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri no but I saw a man getting arrested on live tv for endangering himself infront of demonstrating people by displaying a large photo of Osama I didn't know what NKorean flag looked like when I was a kid until I went to my uncles place who kept NKorean stamps. He was a top KCIA.
dokkiro 1 year ago
@TheMightyGuri my uncle is in China working for a corporation. My cousin is in China working for US government enforcing copy rights. If I was in Tibet I would be working and not trying to burn down the city.
dokkiro 1 year ago