VALKYRIE DARKSIDE VIDEO

[TheBlazer4x4]

Ha guy's i'm a old dog and have been riding a long time. Back in 1970 my GF and I lost the stock MC tire on my 750 Honda ( the Valkyrie of it's day ) we were lucky not to have died that day. When I got it home I pulled the rear wheel and had a Harley rim spoked up and a car tire mounted up and now you call it the Dark Side I am a believer. By the way my bike of choice now is my classic 1998 Honda Valkyrie, good luck with your tire dilemma I've made mine.

[vizi0123]

I dont get it?? Car tires are for car and motorcycle tires are for motorcycle...

If you want to be cheap and risk your life or just look stupid by other bikers i guess go for it. For me, i choose my life and enjoy my hobby as how it should be.

[Oldsmobility98]

I never cease to be amazed by all the idiots saying a car tire is unsafe on a bike, based on zero experience. I wouldn't put a mc tire on the back of my bike if you gave it to me for free. Real riders, who have really ridden on a car tire, know that it is safer than a mc tire. Internet trolls can troll all they want, but I'm just going to keep riding on my car tire.

[rcav8or]

Great vid, Dag!! Loving my Altimax on my Valkyrie!! I can't see me EVER going back to over-priced, over-rated, 8,000 mile (if you're lucky!) motorcycle tire!

[fordrac1ng81]

why not a dunlop star spec? or goodyear f1-gsd3? or triple tread? or hakka r?

[BoomerBob928]

The naysayers always scream the loudest and have zero experience with it. I followed the lead of a fellow forum member and put one on my 07 Softail. Worked great. I've changed bikes now and when the rear tire wears out; I'll be getting another car tire. Keep up the good work!

[redneck500]

Hi, how many miles on that tire so far?? it looks like it handles niceley.

[davdaman]

nice to see a vid along with the scientific approach. I prefer facts to opinions. (everybody has one, but dont bore me with it). Nice work. Blizzaks might be a better option to think about also. They react with water.

[davdaman]

nice to see a vid along with the scientific approach. I prefer facts to opinions. (everybody has one, but dont bore me with it). Nice work.

[mitosis123]

Every single NEGATIVE comment I've read all over the internet is from people who have NEVER tried this.

Every single POSITIVE comment I've read about this, is from people who ARE doing this on their bikes.

. . . Catch my drift? ( yeah. . there's a STFU somewhere in here between the lines)

And to Dag1520 ( Video UL) Great vid! Keep this up the bike community needs more info about going to the dark side!

[chisolm5]

For VERY heavy bikes and/or gargantuan riders I can somewhat see the logic of this but for the average bike or rider I just don't see how the sidewall of those tires will flex enough to provide much contact. Plus, that has to be very hard on the tire using it in a way for which it is not designed. For trikes or sidecar machines they make perfect sense.

[22Foghorn]

Muzzy, get a life..or a doctor

just to stir up the drying shiet in your brain: all this videos show how beneficial a car tire is for a touring bike going on straight roads... you making a case out of the obvoius, congratulations.

[Throttlecrazed]

Muzzy... bro... these are cruiser bikes, they only lean over when they are on the kick stand :) Half the time I see a cruiser bike, their mc tire is flat because the middle is bald and the sides aren't used!

Really though, clear it with your insurance so you don't look like a tool if something happends. Bike + medical bills = more than a freakin tire... and that is from a sportbike trackday junkie! Please don't call me dumb or crazy, I already know that I am both, thanks! :)

[martialstax]

All I really want to know is who the music is by.

[Dag1520]

@martialstax

Its Sara Mann

Check saramann dot com

[martialstax]

@Dag1520 Thanks for the info. I checked out her site, loved the music and ordered the CD. I just got it in the mail yesterday and I'm listening to it right now.

[laidbackoleguy]

I use a bfg 205/55zr/16 on my 1800 vtx and have found it to be quite a handful under full throttle, hooks up really well and corners on a rail, oh yeah Muzzy the guy I ride with is an engineer that designs tires both car and mc, the only concern he has is saving money over the years by not buying higher cost mc tires. We are thinking perhaps custom paint jobs...221000 miles on the darkside, thats a car tire on a bike Muzzy.

[Muzzy337]

Are you a tire design engineer? If you're not, you're in for an extremely seriously rude awakening when you crash and cause injuries/damage/death. When the investigation reveals you used auto tires on a motorcycle, the lawyers will eat you alive. You could even be held partially liable for promoting this stupidity on the net. The internet engineer strikes again. OMG- please stop promoting this stupidity.

[trunnionts]

@Muzzy337

I assume you are a tire engineer with much mc (motorcycle) riding and mc tire design experience. Please explain in detail why Dag's car tire will cause a crash. I am very concerned because I have about 40000 km on the car tire on my mc in all kinds of weather and road conditions, and have obviously been extremely lucky so far. I would be terribly embarrassed to explain to my fellow mc instructors how my stupid choice of a car tire caused my imminent wreck.

[Muzzy337]

@trunnionts I've forgotten more about motorcycle tires than you'll ever know. Your attitude is BEGGING fate to intervene agianst you. Your cockiness will get you snakebit when you LEAST expect it. Notice there's ZERO discussion about slip angles, longitudinal compliance, hysteresis or sidewall loads in these rocket scientists threads? You people are inept hick engineers and believe it works simply because someone threw shit on the wall and it happened to stick for now.

[trunnionts]

@Muzzy337 Dear Mr. Tire Engineer with a most excellent humble attitude, you have yet to explain how a car tire's different slip angles, longitudinal compliance, etc. will cause Dag and me to crash and have fiery deaths. You can do it!

[Muzzy337]

@trunnionts It's a waste of time. I can't fix your ignorance. You cannot fix stupid. Go ahead- blindly place your health and safety in the hands of a hillbilly engineer wannabee. I wish you luck- you're going to need. it. You'll never know when that error will bite you. The constant doubt will ruin the ride. I hope you have medical. Ask your insurance company how fast they'll drop you when they find out you're running car tires. Fool.

[trunnionts]

@Muzzy337 Why don't you explain anyway? I'll take your explanation to one of my smart engineer friends so they can translate it to me using smaller words. Besides, maybe you'll be able to save the life of a rocket scientist who reads your well-considered explanation before deciding to put a car tire on his bike.  You can do it!

[NotYour94Ranger]

@Muzzy337 Muzzy, do you even have a bike?

[Muzzy337]

@NotYour94Ranger Good luck in life, asshole.

[NotYour94Ranger]

@Muzzy337 And good luck to you too. Maybe you'll learn to speak more on what you know from experience, and less on what you've thought about.

[Muzzy337]

@NotYour94Ranger FUCK you, asshole.

[NotYour94Ranger]

@Muzzy337 Maybe you should look into anger management?

[Muzzy337]

OMFG. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my life. Did you brainstorm that one all by yourself or did Honda of Dumbfuckistan install it for you? Nice douche move on promoting the video. How does it feel to pitch such MONUMENTAL STUPIDITY on the net? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE don't breed. Ever.

[Dag1520]

@Muzzy337

Thats exacly what I said one year ago. I actually I made this video to proove how how stupid this was. During a discussion on a mc board I said I would rather put mc tires on my car than a car tire on my mc :-)

I had to try it to understand how wrong I was. I have learned not to comment on things I do not have experience with.

[55Dudester]

@Dag1520 I agree Dag, I'm a darksider now as well. I'll NEVER go aback to a bike tire. The BIKE tire is where the insanity is. Car tire is much much safer IMHO. Rides like it's on rails. I keep mine between 32 and 34psi, and 38-40 psi up front. Smartest thing I've ever done. The ONLY one's that say it's dangerous, are the ones who have NEVER tried it. Stay on the DarkSide brudda.

[fordrac1ng81]

@Muzzy337 congrats on being a faggot.

[Muzzy337]

@fordrac1ng81 Were you born a major douchebag or did you take lessons?

[jimirsaysbuddy]

@Muzzy337 No, what is stupid is paying $300 for a bike tire that get 8,000 miles of life. I just mounted my second car tire on my Valk after 28,000 miles of EXCELLENT traction, wet and dry, and no loss of cornering control, for $74. That is a ten to one cost per mile savings. There are thousands of guys riding on car tires now.

[Muzzy337]

@jimirsaysbuddy Proof you can't fix stupid.

[jimirsaysbuddy]

@Muzzy337 Well if you thought that was stupid, chew on this a while. I also bandsaw the material from premium car disc brake pads and, after a little creative machining, epoxy them on my Valk backing plates. EBC pads -$37.00 for two. Mine $22.00 for four. And no, I've never lost a pad in over 100,000 miles. I use the same epoxy that the big boys use. Cheer up. You've still got your gold medal from the Special Olypics.

[Muzzy337]

@jimirsaysbuddy At least I know how to spell 'olympics', you asshole.

[jimirsaysbuddy]

@Muzzy337 So, your gold medal is for spelling... Can't talk right now. I have to go ride my scary motorcycle while holding scissors. Let's see, did I spell everything correctly.

[Muzzy337]

@jimirsaysbuddy Can you spell body cast?

[andreafatica]

in my opinion it's totally unsafe, i would never do that. anyway nice video!

[BurgDave1]

Dag, run the tir down to 32 PSI and reshoot this vid. I bet the tire contact is greater. I have 20K miles on a Potenza 165/65 SR 14 on the rear of my Burgman 650cc Scooter. BEST tire I have ever had on a bike.

[grizs50]

Isn't it funny how those who have not done it have an opinion, while those of us who have, ride right past them!!!LOL!!!

[Oldsmobility455]

This is a really good angle to see how huge the contact patch is. Most of the other darkside videos, the camera is too close to give a good perspective. I run 32-34 psi in my car tire.

[KEITHBARNES100]

is this just the rear or front as well

[Brainiac83]

You cant turn with a sqare tire in the front :o) These people arent bikers..They are a joke.Laughed at everywhere they go.

[valkrider1584]

most people who say we are a joke are sunday afternoon sunny weather riders.

I ride a Valk Interstate all over Central America including dirt roads & twisty 12,000ft mountains where I still regularly scrape the pegs.

Car tires on the front ARE a joke if you want to live past the first curve!!!!

[willajabir]

Got one on my VTX 1300R. Same MPG. It will coast further. have to lean a bit more to drag the boards. It does feel different. It 'bites' the road on aggressive riding. It slides a little straighter when I lock up the rear tire with the brakes. You do have to get Unidirectional tread.

[techme06]

that's horrible contact . in your turns less that 40% of the tire had road contact. on in a line drive it had full contact when you only want 20% or less. this tire will provide horrible traction in turns and horrible gas mileage.

[SludgeSlinger]

LOL its more contact than a bike tire has across the spectrum. I run a car tire on my valk, gas mileage isnt effected so far as I can tell and traction is as good as a bike tire in turns and WAY better when doing straight line braking.

[techme06]

what ever works for you, your life not mine

[SludgeSlinger]

There are thousands of em out there running around.  This isnt the first time this has been done.

[Dag1520]

MORE contact patch in corners that mc tire. I have more that 10K miles in this tire now. The gas milage is as before :-)

[f6bigdog99]

Took mine to the point of rubbing foot pegs, still stood up on acceleration. absolutely no wobble either as i had with Donlops.

[CircleOfSignfighters]

Great video. Love the music and camera point of view.

[flamewerks]

We've been running a Goodyear TTA on our Valk Cruiser. We like it so much we put the same tire on our Valk Interstate.

Great job on the video Dag.

[SludgeSlinger]

Another nice video Dag