Steve Cotter Fluid Style vs. Hard Style video analysis

[FabiusPyromanus]

So what's your conclusion? Hard style or fluid style..?

[TumppiWw]

@FabiusPyromanus Hardstyle for burning energy in an inefficient manner and working the glutes = fitness. Fluid style for promoting efficient movement patterns and helping Girevoy Sport training.

[Maxdwolf]

Your math seems to be off.

[TumppiWw]

@Maxdwolf Good! The energy/work demand was calculated as the difference between minimum and maximum of total energy (kinetic + potential) throughout the move. Work was calculated as this difference divided by time. Do you have a suggestion for doing this better? If so, thanks!

[dinghyboy]

what program/ website are you using for analysis?

[TumppiWw]

Tracker, as mentioned in the video description.

Google: tracker video analysis and its probably the first hit

[dinghyboy]

@TumppiWw

sweet thanks...also try upmygame.com

[magiciansoncrack]

look im a kettlebell instructor and these exercises are so easy to peform as long as you lift propley bend over head up back straight butt out lift the kb up swing backward then foward using legs and hips keeping arms straight using momentum of the weight .there is so much crap on here how to do it this way how to do it that way as long as you dont use a weight you cant handle you will be fine kbs are for everyone not just those who think they are the be all and end all experts.

[TumppiWw]

Look, I'm a competing GS-amateur. For me the swing is not an exercise, it is training for the snatch, which is done in the rep range of >100. Then, ergonomics do count.

Otherwise I agree completely. For fitness, just grap a relatively light bell and start swinging, juggling and playing around. You'll feel the difference! :)

[Apjooz]

Is that a little over 700 newtons as a maximum force with a 32 kg kettlebell? To me it's interesting considering how much the swing tasks the grip.

[TumppiWw]

Well I wouldn't call holding something with 750 N force as easy? Farmers walks with 76 kg?

By the way, with proper technique the taxing of grip can be reduced A LOT. Try finger locks and hanging the bell from the ends of fingers. Juggling also helps.

[BJJBLACKBELT72]

HARD STYLE 4 LIFE!!!

[kirlinks]

@BJJBLACKBELT72 Lol :)

[gnt7375]

Judging from the chart, which is difficult to see, it appears that the hard-style increases both in Kinetic and maximum force output- (is that the correct reading?) Which would make sense; the hard-style keeps the arm rigid transferring force and energy to the bell and the flow-style bends the arm and in fact absorbs some of the energy.

[gnt7375]

what program are you using for the analysis?

[ohbabycarpediem]

so is this hard style or fluid style and how do you tell the difference???

[TumppiWw]

First one = hard style

Second one = fluid style

Look for the original video from Crossfit for more explanations

[ohbabycarpediem]

they look almost identical. thanks for the reply, i'll check out the crossfit vids on this.

[he2he]

Where do I find the original video?

[johnstabbyman]

what are the graphs on the right measuring?

[TumppiWw]

Upper: Kinetic + potential energy of the kettlebell (in Joules). Used to calculate the energy consumption (Emax-Emin) and power (dE/dt).

Lower: Force applied to the kettlebell (in Newtons). Used to calculate peak maximum force output.