This guys diggs like a pipeliner. If you still work around him ask him if has done pipeline I bet the answer is yes. He also puts it on the truck like he's loading legal hauls. Somebody tell him he's not gonna break the trucks crowding out and dumping that bucket.
@25mfd First of all I value your feed back , thanks. However your statement reveals your experience in mass excavation. Which is none. However I will tell you in large pipeline projects utilities are located and exposed before the production crew gets there. And a credit to those operators who are trusted to do the locating, They are true masters of their craft. But comparing the dynamics of mass ex and pipelining is not apples to apples. I was refering to the stroke & bucket management.
@25mfd Im referring to the length of stroke and the position of the bucket. That machine is set up with a long enough arm to have two optimum loading zones if he where to use the break out force of the boom to complete loading the bucket. However to do this he would need to run the bucket in a more open position and stop slicing and start penitrating and lifting. The results would be about a 5 second decrease in time per pass X 4 =20 seconds. Thats huge money.
@25mfd Yes and each pass would be much faster by as much as 5-6 seconds. All in all instead of 15-20 second passes he would be making 11-15 second passes and eliminate one pass altogether total time save up to roughly 25 seconds again huge money when one takes into account that would allow for one additional load every 3rd truck.
@25mfd( edit for my last reply) Yes and each pass would be much faster by as much as 5-6 seconds because he wouldnt need to make those long strokes. All in all instead of 15-20 second passes he would be making 11-15 second passes and eliminate one pass altogether total time save up to roughly 25 seconds again huge money when one takes into account that would allow for one additional load every 3rd truck.
@HomebrewCigarsmoker Also should be noted the only reason he's getting them out in three passes here is theres a bunch of haul back in those trucks other wise with the amount of material he puts on each pass it would take 4-5 scoops. Exspecially the trucks with tail-gates.
@HomebrewCigarsmoker It's an acknowledgement that you are correct in your assumption that i have no experience in mass excavation.
No argument from me on that.
I've read your comments on similar vids and while i may not have experience in heavy equipment ops, you leave me with the impression that you know what your talking about.
And if you don't have experience, your one hell of a con-man.
@farlinj Well this guy swings too far for my preference but I try to keep my swing around 30* off each idler. It usually works out to more towards anything under 60* as things like bench height, ground conditions (trucks may have to deal with ruts) and how hard it is to dig all play a role. As long as you make an effort to keep your swing time (and thus cycle time) down, you're probably doing it right.
@vantagetes who answers these things? I have worked in production mines for years and if you worried bought 30* or 60* and bullshi** like that then you are waisting time. make sure that every time you swing the bucket is full and make you cut in a straight line and the floor is level so you next cut is set up for the trucks. if you loaded trucks for any amount of time you would know the drivers never stop in the same spot and nothing is perfect' production comes with consistence.
@ghowat122 Well I guess working in a production mine never showed you anything. Swing time makes a huge difference, just as much as getting a full bucket. And while they may not be in the exact same spot they should be close.
@vantagetes If swing time makes sutch a hudge difference then why are my drivers getting the same load counts whether I'm side loading or loading from the back. I have been running excavator for 20 years and you are what 25 so ya maby your right maby all this time ive been doing it wrong? I ran a PC 8000 for a wile and yes on shovels swing time is the number 1 thing but for excavators no.
@ghowat122 Because you're consistantly slow? Just kidding =p Swing time does play a big factor on excavator cycle time, for example does it take longer to swing 45* or 180*? You can say you have to wait for the boom but if done properly a full bucket should be achieved just below top of bench height, and the bench height should be level with the edge of the truck. In this scenario there is no wait time fo the boom and thus smaller swings equals faster cycles. If you want more info send me a pm.
You got a good thing happening on your sight and this fight could go on forever. You are right in certain examples and it is a good thing to show the world what heavy equipment is abought. But one thing I must say is that if I got 20 years running all different types of equipment then maby I know a thing or two. At least thats what I tell the boss. have a good day and keep up the good work on your sight
@ghowat122 I respect your commitment to your craft and say keep swinging. However shovels and track-hoes are both excavators and swing time does matter for both. If it takes 2 sec longer to swing then it takes 2 sec longer to swing back for a total of 4 seconds per scoop x 3= 12sec increase per load. If your load time is 1min = 20% load time increase. More often than not 20% is the profit figured on the job, so for those two seconds your doing the job for free.
@ghowat122 I would imagine your drivers still the same load count because your haul pattern is not full and you have dead time between trucks. Therefore the extra time is available for swinging and backing the trucks. Get two more trucks and see the difference in swing time garanteed. And by the way Im 40 and have been digging now for 18 years strait and was raised in a family owed heavy highway company, so lets not heckel about experience.
Operator is reaching out way to far before he begins his cut. Shortn the stroke and let the dozer thats already there do the clean up. This will increase load times dramatically.
@dgkXigloo Some neat features but overall I dislike them. Volvos are really nice but a lot of sensors that can have issues and the price is almost twice what other trucks cost
we run nothing but 40 ton komatsu rock truck, and they work great. they have a tendency to break easily though.... but you cant really bag hard on them though without something going eventually,
@theoman69 No way! Minus their bad tendency of catching on fire (but really, what's a burnt truck or two anyways?) those things will go way more places then a 740.
@theoman69 Tried out two, were nice but could get two cats for the price of one volvo. We mostly have cat 740 trucks which have really low diffs, they end up dragging and loading up/overheating the tranny. Other than that they work great.
hey, i am from ontario and am about to graduate high school. im going to college for heavy equipment operator and was just wondering if it is a good career to get in to, and if there is lots of work out there. Ive been doing research on the company you work for and was wondering if they hire people right out of school, thanks
@deere914 I get to do what I love every day so as long as you share some of that passion it's a great career! It has it's ups and downs like any job but that's why you get paid ;) We have positions that we train people with no experience so you have a good chance of getting on straight out of school.
Thanks for the reply. The job I was doing was trenching for a water line and the ground I was digging was a pad built in the cold so there was 6-7 feet of rock solid frost. pretty tuff digging for a JD 225 sure could have used a ripper.
Frost probably not much of an issue for an 850 but I am origianly from southern bc an was just wondering if you had any videos on digging frost without a ripper on a smaller machine. I may have already figured it out but it is knew to me. I was digging it like hammering rock first start with a hole then chip your frost in to it . what do you guys think are there better ways with limited equipment?
Even the larger hoes have trouble in the frost. Frost is like rock you have to learn the weak areas in your cut and use it to your advantage. If you find a hard spot dig on either side so you weaken it then try again. If you can't get it from one angle you may have to move and pull on it from another angle. Oh and never EVER use the weight of your machine (picking up the tracks and "bouncing the machine") to dig. It may break up whatever you are digging but it's hard as hell on the machine.
i have been running hoe for a bit now but just recently learned some of these tricks to loading faster. are there any other tips you may have for a hoe operator
One of the most important things is to be able to see ahead, and form a plan. Most piles I've loaded out are far less than perfect so you have to be able to be one scoop, one truck, one hour, one day ahead and have it figured out BEFORE you have an empty truck sitting waiting. Most of the time I can change my digging style slightly and fix the pile as I go so I lose very little (if any) time.
I think truck position looks good, it is hard not to spill whith such a large bucket if the truck is to much on an angle.
I agreee that he could gotten more in to many of those scoops with a shorther movement (outside the 90). He does what i see many people do, they close(tilt) the bucket to early so that it slides on the material instead of forcing more mass in to the bucket. Vantngetes you seam to know much about excavator driving what do you think? understand my writing? from Norway ;)
Ok, lets take thisvid for example, the 740 should have stopped when the clock hit 0:03. And that komatsu should have stopped before it hit 1:37. They are stopping pretty close to an entire truck length to late.
Well thats obvious, and he is digging with to much of a flat bottom,thats why he is digging inside of 90, it takes him that long to get a bucket, but even the buckets are just loaded with fluff because he isnt forcing the material in the bucket. I would bet I could fit another 1500lbs of material in that same bucket, maybe more. The problem with alot is that they try anduse the main lift to achieve the proper height, when in fact they should use the stick for height, then you can reach farther.
This also depends on the length of stick, the height over the truck, how close you are to the edge, how close the truck is to you, and what type of truck you are loading.
long stick on that machine,ideally you need blah blah ME configuration blah blah blah
doggystarful 1 month ago
That dude in the Bulldozer at the start is a hero..... hahaha
Mounter93 1 month ago
there must be a fair biy stuck in them trucks to fill em so quick with the bucket not crammed full
rogerofrhodri 1 month ago
fill that bucket up!
bankersgreed 4 months ago
The bigger they are... The slower they go..
Schwackin502 11 months ago
This guys diggs like a pipeliner. If you still work around him ask him if has done pipeline I bet the answer is yes. He also puts it on the truck like he's loading legal hauls. Somebody tell him he's not gonna break the trucks crowding out and dumping that bucket.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker Pretty good observation.
In sewer construction, one has to be CONSTANTLY aware of crosslines.
How many contractors have damaged water and/or gas mains with their excavators?
But if he is an "ex" pipeliner, this should be a DREAM COME TRUE.
With this operation he can MINDLESSY dig to his hearts content without fear of hitting any unseen underground obstructions.
But you have to take into account the machine size as well.
It's big and slow.
25mfd 11 months ago
@25mfd First of all I value your feed back , thanks. However your statement reveals your experience in mass excavation. Which is none. However I will tell you in large pipeline projects utilities are located and exposed before the production crew gets there. And a credit to those operators who are trusted to do the locating, They are true masters of their craft. But comparing the dynamics of mass ex and pipelining is not apples to apples. I was refering to the stroke & bucket management.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker Oddly enough, you are CORRECT. I have zero experience in mass excavation. I'm a fireman by trade.
Could you elaborate on stroke and bucket mgmt?
25mfd 10 months ago
@25mfd Im referring to the length of stroke and the position of the bucket. That machine is set up with a long enough arm to have two optimum loading zones if he where to use the break out force of the boom to complete loading the bucket. However to do this he would need to run the bucket in a more open position and stop slicing and start penitrating and lifting. The results would be about a 5 second decrease in time per pass X 4 =20 seconds. Thats huge money.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker If he were to penetrate and lift, that would increase the amount of cubic yds he's moving in that pass. Correct?
How does that translate to a decrease in time per pass if he's moving more dirt per pass?
Is it safe to assume that were he to follow your lead, that he would have more HEAPING buckets and possibly eliminate a pass altogether?
Load the trucks in 3 passes instead of 4?
25mfd 10 months ago
@25mfd Yes and each pass would be much faster by as much as 5-6 seconds. All in all instead of 15-20 second passes he would be making 11-15 second passes and eliminate one pass altogether total time save up to roughly 25 seconds again huge money when one takes into account that would allow for one additional load every 3rd truck.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@25mfd( edit for my last reply) Yes and each pass would be much faster by as much as 5-6 seconds because he wouldnt need to make those long strokes. All in all instead of 15-20 second passes he would be making 11-15 second passes and eliminate one pass altogether total time save up to roughly 25 seconds again huge money when one takes into account that would allow for one additional load every 3rd truck.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker Also should be noted the only reason he's getting them out in three passes here is theres a bunch of haul back in those trucks other wise with the amount of material he puts on each pass it would take 4-5 scoops. Exspecially the trucks with tail-gates.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker I've noticed that he lifts the boom while bringing the stick in.
(I think the technical term is CROWD???)
If he kept the boom down but not to the point where he would OVER CUT the area, he would get fuller buckets.
25mfd 10 months ago
@25mfd If your a fire man where is the logic in your oddly enough statement. How would know whats odd or not.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 10 months ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker It's an acknowledgement that you are correct in your assumption that i have no experience in mass excavation.
No argument from me on that.
I've read your comments on similar vids and while i may not have experience in heavy equipment ops, you leave me with the impression that you know what your talking about.
And if you don't have experience, your one hell of a con-man.
25mfd 10 months ago
This guy is slow as F##K, Vantagetes tell me you guys didnt keep this guy or at least gave him some schooln.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
@HomebrewCigarsmoker read the rest of my comments.
vantagetes 1 year ago
How far do you swing when loading? No farther than the u/c stretches?
farlinj 1 year ago
@farlinj Well this guy swings too far for my preference but I try to keep my swing around 30* off each idler. It usually works out to more towards anything under 60* as things like bench height, ground conditions (trucks may have to deal with ruts) and how hard it is to dig all play a role. As long as you make an effort to keep your swing time (and thus cycle time) down, you're probably doing it right.
vantagetes 1 year ago
@vantagetes who answers these things? I have worked in production mines for years and if you worried bought 30* or 60* and bullshi** like that then you are waisting time. make sure that every time you swing the bucket is full and make you cut in a straight line and the floor is level so you next cut is set up for the trucks. if you loaded trucks for any amount of time you would know the drivers never stop in the same spot and nothing is perfect' production comes with consistence.
ghowat122 1 year ago
@ghowat122 Well I guess working in a production mine never showed you anything. Swing time makes a huge difference, just as much as getting a full bucket. And while they may not be in the exact same spot they should be close.
vantagetes 1 year ago
@vantagetes If swing time makes sutch a hudge difference then why are my drivers getting the same load counts whether I'm side loading or loading from the back. I have been running excavator for 20 years and you are what 25 so ya maby your right maby all this time ive been doing it wrong? I ran a PC 8000 for a wile and yes on shovels swing time is the number 1 thing but for excavators no.
ghowat122 1 year ago
@ghowat122 Because you're consistantly slow? Just kidding =p Swing time does play a big factor on excavator cycle time, for example does it take longer to swing 45* or 180*? You can say you have to wait for the boom but if done properly a full bucket should be achieved just below top of bench height, and the bench height should be level with the edge of the truck. In this scenario there is no wait time fo the boom and thus smaller swings equals faster cycles. If you want more info send me a pm.
vantagetes 1 year ago
@vantagetes Im done
You got a good thing happening on your sight and this fight could go on forever. You are right in certain examples and it is a good thing to show the world what heavy equipment is abought. But one thing I must say is that if I got 20 years running all different types of equipment then maby I know a thing or two. At least thats what I tell the boss. have a good day and keep up the good work on your sight
ghowat122 1 year ago
@ghowat122 Ah well as long as the boss is happy! I've been the boss for two years and I'm almost never happy =/
vantagetes 1 year ago
@ghowat122 I respect your commitment to your craft and say keep swinging. However shovels and track-hoes are both excavators and swing time does matter for both. If it takes 2 sec longer to swing then it takes 2 sec longer to swing back for a total of 4 seconds per scoop x 3= 12sec increase per load. If your load time is 1min = 20% load time increase. More often than not 20% is the profit figured on the job, so for those two seconds your doing the job for free.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
@ghowat122 I would imagine your drivers still the same load count because your haul pattern is not full and you have dead time between trucks. Therefore the extra time is available for swinging and backing the trucks. Get two more trucks and see the difference in swing time garanteed. And by the way Im 40 and have been digging now for 18 years strait and was raised in a family owed heavy highway company, so lets not heckel about experience.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
aah the big stuff, where I live we do not have any use for 100k+lb excavators, I wish we did the bigger the better in my opinion
TurboGSR96 1 year ago
have u tried the bell 50 ton ones? they seem good from what i have seen
mgmg385 1 year ago
Operator is reaching out way to far before he begins his cut. Shortn the stroke and let the dozer thats already there do the clean up. This will increase load times dramatically.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
Are the deere trucks any good?
dgkXigloo 1 year ago
@dgkXigloo Some neat features but overall I dislike them. Volvos are really nice but a lot of sensors that can have issues and the price is almost twice what other trucks cost
vantagetes 1 year ago
cat trucks are ok,but for more power FULLY loaded,go w/ a volvo! dont know how the other brand trucks run,but VOLVO's kick butt
nsfan4life 1 year ago
we run nothing but 40 ton komatsu rock truck, and they work great. they have a tendency to break easily though.... but you cant really bag hard on them though without something going eventually,
andizzle123456789 1 year ago
should have taken that 850 and flattend that god danm kamatsu rock truck...JUNK!!!! lol
theoman69 1 year ago
@theoman69 No way! Minus their bad tendency of catching on fire (but really, what's a burnt truck or two anyways?) those things will go way more places then a 740.
vantagetes 1 year ago
@vantagetes lol i think yer right about going places..lol...you guys have any volvos? or mostly cats?
theoman69 1 year ago
@theoman69 Tried out two, were nice but could get two cats for the price of one volvo. We mostly have cat 740 trucks which have really low diffs, they end up dragging and loading up/overheating the tranny. Other than that they work great.
vantagetes 1 year ago
hey ur videos are mad i was wondering what is the actual name for ur job because im looking at taking a path in that industry
stip27 1 year ago
@stip27 Well I'm a foreman, but I think you are looking for Heavy Equipment Operator.
vantagetes 1 year ago
thanks for the reply, and if you don't mind me asking what are the wages out there like
deere914 1 year ago
@deere914 Depends on what you run, for who and how good you are ;)
vantagetes 1 year ago
hey, i am from ontario and am about to graduate high school. im going to college for heavy equipment operator and was just wondering if it is a good career to get in to, and if there is lots of work out there. Ive been doing research on the company you work for and was wondering if they hire people right out of school, thanks
deere914 1 year ago
@deere914 I get to do what I love every day so as long as you share some of that passion it's a great career! It has it's ups and downs like any job but that's why you get paid ;) We have positions that we train people with no experience so you have a good chance of getting on straight out of school.
vantagetes 1 year ago
Hello. How big is the bucket on that one?
MasterVela73 1 year ago
@MasterVela73 8yds I believe.
vantagetes 1 year ago
Thanks for the reply. The job I was doing was trenching for a water line and the ground I was digging was a pad built in the cold so there was 6-7 feet of rock solid frost. pretty tuff digging for a JD 225 sure could have used a ripper.
reaper020 2 years ago
Frost probably not much of an issue for an 850 but I am origianly from southern bc an was just wondering if you had any videos on digging frost without a ripper on a smaller machine. I may have already figured it out but it is knew to me. I was digging it like hammering rock first start with a hole then chip your frost in to it . what do you guys think are there better ways with limited equipment?
reaper020 2 years ago
Even the larger hoes have trouble in the frost. Frost is like rock you have to learn the weak areas in your cut and use it to your advantage. If you find a hard spot dig on either side so you weaken it then try again. If you can't get it from one angle you may have to move and pull on it from another angle. Oh and never EVER use the weight of your machine (picking up the tracks and "bouncing the machine") to dig. It may break up whatever you are digging but it's hard as hell on the machine.
vantagetes 2 years ago
i have been running hoe for a bit now but just recently learned some of these tricks to loading faster. are there any other tips you may have for a hoe operator
reaper020 2 years ago
One of the most important things is to be able to see ahead, and form a plan. Most piles I've loaded out are far less than perfect so you have to be able to be one scoop, one truck, one hour, one day ahead and have it figured out BEFORE you have an empty truck sitting waiting. Most of the time I can change my digging style slightly and fix the pile as I go so I lose very little (if any) time.
vantagetes 2 years ago
I think truck position looks good, it is hard not to spill whith such a large bucket if the truck is to much on an angle.
I agreee that he could gotten more in to many of those scoops with a shorther movement (outside the 90). He does what i see many people do, they close(tilt) the bucket to early so that it slides on the material instead of forcing more mass in to the bucket. Vantngetes you seam to know much about excavator driving what do you think? understand my writing? from Norway ;)
rotortilttt 2 years ago
I agree, except the trucks could be a little further back to pick up a little time.
vantagetes 2 years ago
Ok, lets take thisvid for example, the 740 should have stopped when the clock hit 0:03. And that komatsu should have stopped before it hit 1:37. They are stopping pretty close to an entire truck length to late.
008hayabusa 2 years ago
@008hayabusa A better arguement would be that he shouldn't be digging with his stick inside 90* =p
And I've found that having them line their cab up with the first idler is the magical place.
vantagetes 2 years ago
Well thats obvious, and he is digging with to much of a flat bottom,thats why he is digging inside of 90, it takes him that long to get a bucket, but even the buckets are just loaded with fluff because he isnt forcing the material in the bucket. I would bet I could fit another 1500lbs of material in that same bucket, maybe more. The problem with alot is that they try anduse the main lift to achieve the proper height, when in fact they should use the stick for height, then you can reach farther.
008hayabusa 2 years ago
@008hayabusa agree with you totaly hayabusa he needs to keep that bucket open and force more material in it.
HomebrewCigarsmoker 1 year ago
This also depends on the length of stick, the height over the truck, how close you are to the edge, how close the truck is to you, and what type of truck you are loading.
008hayabusa 2 years ago
HARRRR!! lovin these videos. i think its funny when something can make a 30 tonner look small.
theoman69 2 years ago
sweet vids...thats the way to load em good and rounded
MrNFortune 2 years ago
Great vid as always... so who's been running hoe's longer, you or the guy in the 850?
JimBruce42 2 years ago
very nice video. Was happy to see this on my sub page
Rikuno94 2 years ago
that a chick driving the kommy truck?
Deere4400 2 years ago
love that.got the 850 in the back and the d6 comes across.LOL little dinky dozer.
robby844 2 years ago
Haha, yea he just creeped across.
MikeO9236 2 years ago
awesome vid
uberstinky09 2 years ago