Mormons are nuts! To think that a mormon is just a hop skip and a jump away from being president makes me want to vomit. You have to have a serious mental defect to believe that hooba-joob bullshit. The thought of a mormon walking around accompanied by a man with "THE FOOTBALL" handcuffed to his wrist is FREAKING SCARY.
@gurumagoo What a thing to say! I'm a convert to the Mormon church and I know there are many things written and said about us that are twisted, distorted, and just plain false. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church! I took the time to learn the TRUTH. I wish others would as well! The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
Anybody who believes in God is insane. I have come to this conclusion because I don't understand how people can believe in something that has no proof to it. Also in the Bible there are many discrepancies. The Bible is constantly contradicting itself. I just don't get how people can believe that nonsense. As far as Mormans they are just flat out crazy. COME ON PEOPLE GET YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT AND QUIT ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE BRAINWASHED!
@upchurch231 I'm a convert to the Mormon church. That's why I like the Mormon church, because we have The Book of Mormon and other latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the difficult-to-understand passages in the Bible. It really does help make sense of it all. I grew up Episcopalian but never cared about God or religion or anything. I joined the LDS church in my 20's, about 30 years ago. I brings you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
@cindybin2001 I don't understand it. I mean I do not know you so I can't say you are crazy but the more I read into Mormanism, and any religion for that matter, I don't get how people can believe stuff that has no validity to it. There is no logic behind the belief. I don't think religious people (mormans or any religion) are stupid so the only plausible explination I can come up with is Insanity. The more I learn about religion the more It cements the fact that I am an Atheist.
@upchurch231 Well I'm not stupid; I have a college degree, and I studied, pondered and prayed and asked a lot of questions before even considering joining the Mormon church. I used to be like you--I didn't care about religion, didn't understand it. But the LDS church has The Book of Mormon and other scripture and latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the difficult-to-understand passages in the Bible. It really does help make sense of it all!
yeah guys, I mean, trash Mormonism all you want, but at least get your facts right. Joseph Smith was just Moses to them. They still believe in Christ as their Lord and Savior. And there's more than enough history to show Joseph Smith actually existed.
"there's more than enough history to show Joseph Smith actually existed."
Yes, and also that he was nothing but a con man. The whole Mormon religions is nothing but a racket. Of course, in the end that is true for ALL religions.
@MomoTheBellyDancer how was joseph smith a con man? how is the LDS church a racket? How are all churches rackets? back up what you say if you want to get taken seriously.
He made a whole religion up from whole cloth.Golden plates? Indians that are the "Lost Tribe of Israel"? God living on a star named Kolob? Come on, it's so obviously a fantasy story that it really boggles the mind how anybody could fall for it.
@MomoTheBellyDancer you dont think ancient people would be smart enough to leave writings for post generations (golden plates)? you think we are the only living beings in the universe? it boggles the mind how narrow minded people like you are.
@MomoTheBellyDancer many witnesses claimed to have seen them. look at the introduction the the Book of Mormon and see their signatures. you implied god could not live on a star. thats why i said we are not the only people on the univers. where do you think jesus accended to? you think he burned up in the earths atmosphere? you are narrow minded.
Yes, all Elders of the LDS Church and their families. Whoop-de-doo. If Smith had the plates, why didn't he simpler offer them for research? That would have shut up his opponents right away.
"where do you think jesus accended to"
I never claimed anybody ever ascended into anything. When you're dead, you stay dead.
@christianfarmer Do you know anything about Mormon doctrine? Joseph might be a Moses to Mormons but he was no prophet. In Mormonism Jesus was a created pre mortal spirit brother and spirit brother of lucifer. That is not the same Christ of the Bible. The Savior described in the Bible is the uncreated mighty God.
@awolLDSasap Yes, I know Mormon Doctrine, very well. First off - learn to critique correctly. If you're going to say he's not a prophet, state WHY you think he's not a prophet. Not just "He wasn't a prophet". I mean, I could tell you I don't think Mohammed is a prophet of God, but I'm not going to tell you that the Muslims don't think that. It's doctrine - it's an opinion of each religion. Yes, it's what the Mormons believe, so BACK down on that point.
@HECH0ENMEXICO Pick up a Bible and start reading John. You will never find doctrines of a pre mortal existence, polygamy, eternal marriage or men becoming Gods.
@awolLDSasap pre-mortal existence; Jeremiah 1:5, Ephesians 1:4, Job 38:1-7, Ecclesiastes 12:7, JOHN 9:1-2, etc. polygamy; 2 Sam 12:8, Deuteronomy 21:15-17, 2 Samuel 12:8, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 25:1, Genesis 25:6, Genesis 29:21-30, Genesis 30:3, Genesis 30:9-13, 2 Chronicles 13:21, etc. I'll let you gooogle eternal marriage and the ability to become just like our creator. I think you are the one who needs to read your bible.
@awolLDSasap and next, do you even read the bible? Do you know how many different ways there are to interpret Christ? Have you read scholarly interpretations? Evidently the stories of Moses weren't written til 300 years after he existed, and the stories of Christ til 90 years after he existed. If you're going to start arguing Bible doctrine at least get your facts straight. Even other Christian sects and Jewish sects fight back and forth on the exact definitive nature of God.
@christianfarmer Don't trust the Bible. Just claim all of the Biblical names and hang tight to the 8th article of faith and believe everything Junior said, which was nonsense.
@awolLDSasap why wasnt joseph Smith a prophet? If God the Father created everything, including Jesus AND Satan, where we all not brothers in a sense at one point? back it up with bible verses and/or logic if you want to be taken seriously.
@MomoTheBellyDancer can you prove moses was a prophet? or peter? i could never prove ANYTHING to a close minded person who has no desire to find the truth
@MomoTheBellyDancer no evidence besides dozens of ancient writings where moses is mentioned. not to mention that small group of people called "The Jews" who have followed his teachings for thousands of years. do you think they just made him up? they were like "lets just start following a made up person into the desert." you just have your eyes closed.
@MomoTheBellyDancer if donald duck was a human being, and mentioned in different ancient texts it would be logical to believe he existed. you obviously don't know much about Hinduism, its more of a philosophy than a religion with prophets and can not be compared to Christianity or Judaism.
@HECH0ENMEXICO God the Father did not create everything. Jesus did. Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the INVISABLE God: 16 For By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible.
This "ism" has missionaries selling salvation for 10% of your paycheck. Truthfully? They lie about the money. The money is used for members to dress up and play god in the temples.
@chadro85 To live with the Mormon god in the highest kingdom you must hand over 10% of your paycheck to the church. In Christianity eternal life with God is free.
@awolLDSasap "you must hand over 10% of your paycheck", Wrong
you see we have somthing called "free agency" and infact if you don't have enough money to pay anything and your family is strugling. The chruch will give you money (or food, clothing, etc)
@chadro85 Free agency... Are you really free?The 3rd article of faith states that salvation requires obedience to church dogma. This includes tithing. It becomes manditory if you want to live in the highest kingdom. This requires a full tithe to be paid to the church. In the meat department lds doctrine says pay a full tithe or you will burn at the judgement.
@awolLDSasap lies. no one will ever "burn at judgement" because they can't pay. and yeah we really are free to choose. we can choose the right thing and get blessing or not. also nothing and i mean NOTHING is required of you. (again free agency obviously)
@1nathang Same as the Catholic God? Not even close. Catholics believe in the trinity. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 1 God, as described in 1 John 5:7. Mormons believe in 3 Gods, and a multitude of Gods. If you want a temple recommend to live in the highest kingdom with the Mormon god you must hand over 10% of your income to the church. I believe the D&C says you will burn at the judgment if you don't pay tithing to the church.
Cool. Mormon Church rip off 10% of peoples income. Catholic Church stole land, participated in the slave trade, accepted bribes for absolution and sold fabricated "holy relics". Also pretty sure they've been at it a lot longer than the Mormons.
Arguing over which religion is more ridiculous and dishonest seems a bit pointless to me. Any belief that requires faith is ridiculous by default. Any institution built on propagating that faith is dishonest by default.
@AntitheistPOV it doesnt take faith to believe in the mormon church's theology. faith comes before belief. And tithing is not a rip off, people in this country are free to donate their own money to whomever they want. look up the word rip-off. acording to mormons the lds church has been around before the cathlic church.
Faith and belief are the same thing. The distinction is that rational beliefs have evidence to support them. Faith, by definition, is irrational belief without evidence.
I didn't claim people weren't free to do as they please with their own money. That has nothing to do with whether LDS is a scam and a rip-off.
Mormons claim many things. Most of them are either blatantly untrue or else undemonstrable and impossible to prove or disprove.
@AntitheistPOV again,,, back up what you say if you want to be believed !!! if i tell a child it is wise of him to go to school and he does it, that is faith. once he is the C.E.O. of facebook and sees the benefit of being formally educated, that is no longer faith, it became knowledge.
No. It becomes a correlation between education and success. There are plenty of successful people that are not formally educated, therefore there is no conclusive evidence that formal education equates to success.
Even assuming your bad analogy wasn't bad, education and material success aren't supernatural, irrational nonsense.
@AntitheistPOV you totally missed the point. let me put it in terms even you should understand. if a mother tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical socket and he obeys, that is faith (in the mothers knowledge). when that child grows up and understands electricity, it is no longer faith, it becomes knowledge. if you dont get this analogy then I give up.
Kids obey their parents because they're conditioned to do so until they're old enough to reason for themselves. It has nothing to do with any conscious decision on behalf of the child.
Yes, most adults understand how electricity works. Now you're talking about knowledge. The subject was faith and belief, neither of which equate to knowledge.
The problem isn't that I don't understand your analogies. It's that they're wrong. However, put aside bad analogies for a while and get back to the subject.
Faith and belief are simply different terms to describe the same behavior. The distinction is that the term faith is reserved for situations where belief is inherently void of evidence or reason.
@AntitheistPOV my analogies are logical, but you have your eyes tightly closed out of fear. you dont understand religion. if i have a nice stable family and i tell someone that one of the reasons for that is because i don't commit adultery, then they have reason logically to put faith in me. if they stop cheating on their spouse and safe their marriage, then it stops being faith and becomes knowledge. and so forth with tithing, resting on the Sabbath day, praying, honoring your parents, etc.
Again, you're equating experience and demonstration with faith. When someone is able to observe your actions and demonstrate a result, faith is not required. Knowledge is the same. Neither of them have anything to do with faith, which is belief without evidence.
Perhaps the problem isn't just that you're fond of bad analogies, but that you lack a basic understanding of the term "faith".
@AntitheistPOV your fundamental hangup is that YOU dont understand what faith is. YOU don't understand why people choose to follow an "invisible" god. the reason we follow him is because we know FROM EXPERIENCE that following his commandments brings us blessings. he said "honor your father and your mother so that thy days may be long upon the earth", if applied we will have firsthand knowledge that people who have good relationships with their parents on average live longer. faith= trust
Except that it's not. Families, communities and parental obedience were much tighter knit 50, 100 or 200 years ago than they are today, yet today we live longer, are better educated and healther than we've ever been. That's simply a semantic point, however.
Your experience is not faith. Experience is a form of evidence. Faith is belief without evidence. If you'd invest in a dictionary you wouldn't need to fabricate definitions to suit your argument.
@AntitheistPOV you are so misguided that you fail to realize that i agree with faith being lack of evidence. Faith=trust. evidence comes AFTER application of faith. Christians trust in God because from past application of faith they have learned that Gods commandments have helped them. YOU are drinking the cool-aid if you believe people who go to church are insane. Faith (trust) becomes knowledge after experiencing its consequences, which in turn strengthen the faith (trust) in God.Its a cycle.
Simple way to answer that. Go do some research on the correlation between national religiosity and human flourishing (health, education, crime). In nations where there is less religion, the populations of said nations are almost invariably superior on every major social factor.
Your suggestion that belief in gods equates to positive consequences (and evidence thereof) is demonstrably false, if you'd bother to research your claims.
@AntitheistPOV i never said that belief in God equates to success. I said APPLICATION of Gods laws equates to success. The top successful societies in the world whether they believe in God or not, follow (knowingly or unknowingly) Gods commandments better than the less successful countries. Don't put words in my mouth, and don't use straw man arguments. Its childish.
Which gods commandments do they follow? Don't kill, don't steal? Those aren't commandments, they're basic precepts of every civilized society since before anyone had ever heard of Jesus. The first few commandments if you go by the Christian book revolve around obeying the one true God, worshiping no God but him and so on and so forth. So, no, they are in fact not following any gods commandments.
That's a blatant fabrication to justify your position.
@AntitheistPOV and another straw-man argument. you have no shame. I think your problem is that your critical thinking/logical process are flawed, and you fear accepting that because you need to justify your position. You've invested time and effort into being an anti-theist and now you fear loosing face. i said "knowingly or unknowingly", but you have no shame and continue to use straw man arguments. when you grow up and decide you want to seek the truth, message me.
I don't think you understand the meaning of "straw man argument". You claimed people are following "Gods commandments". I directly addressed two of those commandments and demonstrated why it's illogical to assert that an atheist could possibly follow the first four commandments.
In what way is directly responding to your assertion a straw man argument?
@AntitheistPOV you did not directly respond to my point. What I said was that truly successful people whether they know it or not are following Gods commandments. You cherry picked two commandments out of thousands in the bible, twisted my words and summed up that because they are not following THOSE TWO commandments, that "they are in fact not following ANY gods commandments". that is a childish straw man argument.
In fact, I said they are following those two commandments, but that those commandments are common sense to every social creature and hardly worth being called commandments.
The ones I said atheists (and all non-Christians) don't follow are the first four, pertaining to obedience to the God of the Bible.
Simply put, secular societies do not follow the commandments. Secular societies are more successful than theistic societies. Your argument is clearly wrong.
Aside from which, the Bible says that the only path to righteousness and salvation is through Jesus Christ, in his name. "Generally following the commandments" does not qualify a person to enter Heaven or to experience Grace.
@AntitheistPOV can't speak for "evangelical" Christians, but according to LDS theology, a person who obeys Gods commandments but doesn't believe in Jesus Christ will get closer to getting into the celestial kingdom than a person who doesn't obey them but preaches about Jesus Christ all day long. People need to obey him AND repent and be baptized by his authority in his name. You obviously don't know that much about Latter-Day Saint theology. yes I do read the bible. Every day. Stupid question.
LDS members believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the path to redemption and salvation. Therefore, logically, you can not get to find salvation according to Mormon theology without acceptance of Christ.
A fact which lends itself to my point that accidentally following a few commandments does not equate to religious observation worth of Grace.
Apparently you're not only ignorant of history and social welfare, you're ignorant of your own religion.
@AntitheistPOV you keep using straw-man arguments. I doubt you're illiterate, so I must assume you just can't refute my reasoning. Let me cut and paste what I wrote again. "a person who obeys Gods commandments but doesn't believe in Jesus Christ will get ""CLOSER"" to getting into the celestial kingdom than a person who doesn't obey them but preaches about Jesus Christ all day long", "People need to obey him ""AND"" repent and be baptized by his authority in his name".
Now you're just being pedantic. "Closer" is irrelevant. Even if you follow every commandment to the letter, without belief in Christ, you can not receive grace or salvation. The commandments are irrelevant without first accepting Christ.
So, your argument that nations are "accidentally following the commandments" and are in receipt of Grace is completely bogus.
"if a mother tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical socket"
At least the mother can point to an electric socket, and the fork. She can also point to examples of people being electrocuted. Nobody can point to any god. This world is precisely what you would expect from a world where no god exists.
@MomoTheBellyDancer maybe your world, your social circle, your view on the worlds problems point to no god. but my world is filled with evidence of a creator. my social circle, my view on the worlds problems, and my experience point to a loving but just God.
@awolLDSasap in all times, in the history of christianity, the faithfull congregated, did missionary work, etc.. they always funded it. name ONE church or example when money wasnt used. go ahead...
@HECH0ENMEXICO All churches require money to operate and to help the downtrodden. When a church starts bragging about the people they help somethings wrong.
@awolLDSasap the Mormon church does not brag about the people we help. you are making things up now. pathetic. first you critique os for paying tithing, then you say all churches require money. Where do you think that money comes from?! you are a bitter arrogent ex-mormon who is never going to have peace until he repents. you are in a downward spiral.
@HECH0ENMEXICO Inside the church you're fine. Leaving the church will to shunning. From the conference pulpit church leaders have used character assassination against ex members.
@HECH0ENMEXICO In conference an lds leader told a story about a high ranking member that left the early church. He called this ex member "Lucifarian" and subtly compared him to the Wilder family, the "Adams Road band". The band, "some were on missions" and parents, Lynn, a BYU proffessor left the church after discovering the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why bother if a member leaves? Because lds church policy is to shoot all messengers that oppose the gospel of Joseph Smith. You were saying?
@HECH0ENMEXICO Who's pathetic and acts like a child with name calling? Must be hard defending a narcissist who lied to the congregation about committing adultery.
@awolLDSasap You don't need to be a child to call a pathetic argument what it is. If you are going to accuse someone of adultery and lying, then accuse them, AND back it up with proof. Until then I cant take you seriously. Vague accusations are a sign of a weak case.
Love!! Because it does all sound like a shitload of nonsense to me xD Read the BoM, the D&C and the Pearl and the missionaries made me 'ask Heavenly Father for an answer'. And he gave me none ^^
@halistra24 I had to read what you said a couple of times because of the grammar and spelling problems. What are you telling me when you say I am wrong? Are you saying that Brigham Young thought this up? He did not.
What about "no marrying or giving in marriage in heaven"? How does this verse fit with the idea? What about men being joined with other women in the temple? What is the objective there?
all of you are wrong. I am mormon and there are two mormon churches I belong to the true church and the other reformed. the reformed church is the one that believes polygamy. which to the true church IS wrong. and joseph smith isnt our savior. jesus christ is. joseph smith restored our church to the earth. and I thanj God everyday he did. by the way. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU MAKE JOKES. YOU WERE NOT FUNNY. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. SO you got burned
First, I am not a Mormon. Second, I realize that this is comedy. Just so you know, it was Joseph Smith who first had the idea of "Celestial Marriage" (what the world calls polygamy) not Brigham Young.
Well I am an ex-mormon and this guy doesnt know what he's talking about lol
He's claiming no one knows if Joseph Smith existed? lol He is buried in navou
liamlloyd77 1 week ago
This guy has no clue what he is talking about in regards to the Mormon faith. I am not angry. In fact I actually found his ignorance funny
LDSdevilboy4193 1 week ago
Mormons are nuts! To think that a mormon is just a hop skip and a jump away from being president makes me want to vomit. You have to have a serious mental defect to believe that hooba-joob bullshit. The thought of a mormon walking around accompanied by a man with "THE FOOTBALL" handcuffed to his wrist is FREAKING SCARY.
gurumagoo 1 month ago
@gurumagoo What a thing to say! I'm a convert to the Mormon church and I know there are many things written and said about us that are twisted, distorted, and just plain false. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church! I took the time to learn the TRUTH. I wish others would as well! The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 Begone foul lunatic!!! And take your madeup fairy tale cult nonsense with you.
gurumagoo 1 month ago
Anybody who believes in God is insane. I have come to this conclusion because I don't understand how people can believe in something that has no proof to it. Also in the Bible there are many discrepancies. The Bible is constantly contradicting itself. I just don't get how people can believe that nonsense. As far as Mormans they are just flat out crazy. COME ON PEOPLE GET YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT AND QUIT ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE BRAINWASHED!
upchurch231 1 month ago
@upchurch231 I'm a convert to the Mormon church. That's why I like the Mormon church, because we have The Book of Mormon and other latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the difficult-to-understand passages in the Bible. It really does help make sense of it all. I grew up Episcopalian but never cared about God or religion or anything. I joined the LDS church in my 20's, about 30 years ago. I brings you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 I don't understand it. I mean I do not know you so I can't say you are crazy but the more I read into Mormanism, and any religion for that matter, I don't get how people can believe stuff that has no validity to it. There is no logic behind the belief. I don't think religious people (mormans or any religion) are stupid so the only plausible explination I can come up with is Insanity. The more I learn about religion the more It cements the fact that I am an Atheist.
upchurch231 4 weeks ago
@upchurch231 Well I'm not stupid; I have a college degree, and I studied, pondered and prayed and asked a lot of questions before even considering joining the Mormon church. I used to be like you--I didn't care about religion, didn't understand it. But the LDS church has The Book of Mormon and other scripture and latter-day revelation that helps shed light on the difficult-to-understand passages in the Bible. It really does help make sense of it all!
cindybin2001 4 weeks ago
boring
myterribletube 1 month ago
yeah guys, I mean, trash Mormonism all you want, but at least get your facts right. Joseph Smith was just Moses to them. They still believe in Christ as their Lord and Savior. And there's more than enough history to show Joseph Smith actually existed.
christianfarmer 2 months ago 2
@christianfarmer
"there's more than enough history to show Joseph Smith actually existed."
Yes, and also that he was nothing but a con man. The whole Mormon religions is nothing but a racket. Of course, in the end that is true for ALL religions.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer how was joseph smith a con man? how is the LDS church a racket? How are all churches rackets? back up what you say if you want to get taken seriously.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"how was joseph smith a con man?"
He made a whole religion up from whole cloth.Golden plates? Indians that are the "Lost Tribe of Israel"? God living on a star named Kolob? Come on, it's so obviously a fantasy story that it really boggles the mind how anybody could fall for it.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer you dont think ancient people would be smart enough to leave writings for post generations (golden plates)? you think we are the only living beings in the universe? it boggles the mind how narrow minded people like you are.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"golden plates"
No golden plates have ever been found. They're nothing but a fabrication by Smith.
"you think we are the only living beings in the universe?"
What does that have to do with anything?
"narrow minded"
One should have an open ind, but no to much one's brains fall out.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer many witnesses claimed to have seen them. look at the introduction the the Book of Mormon and see their signatures. you implied god could not live on a star. thats why i said we are not the only people on the univers. where do you think jesus accended to? you think he burned up in the earths atmosphere? you are narrow minded.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"many witnesses claimed to have seen them."
Yes, all Elders of the LDS Church and their families. Whoop-de-doo. If Smith had the plates, why didn't he simpler offer them for research? That would have shut up his opponents right away.
"where do you think jesus accended to"
I never claimed anybody ever ascended into anything. When you're dead, you stay dead.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@christianfarmer Do you know anything about Mormon doctrine? Joseph might be a Moses to Mormons but he was no prophet. In Mormonism Jesus was a created pre mortal spirit brother and spirit brother of lucifer. That is not the same Christ of the Bible. The Savior described in the Bible is the uncreated mighty God.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap Yes, I know Mormon Doctrine, very well. First off - learn to critique correctly. If you're going to say he's not a prophet, state WHY you think he's not a prophet. Not just "He wasn't a prophet". I mean, I could tell you I don't think Mohammed is a prophet of God, but I'm not going to tell you that the Muslims don't think that. It's doctrine - it's an opinion of each religion. Yes, it's what the Mormons believe, so BACK down on that point.
christianfarmer 2 months ago
@christianfarmer Junior was no prophet because he lied, multiple times.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap examples....?
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO Pick up a Bible and start reading John. You will never find doctrines of a pre mortal existence, polygamy, eternal marriage or men becoming Gods.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap pre-mortal existence; Jeremiah 1:5, Ephesians 1:4, Job 38:1-7, Ecclesiastes 12:7, JOHN 9:1-2, etc. polygamy; 2 Sam 12:8, Deuteronomy 21:15-17, 2 Samuel 12:8, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 25:1, Genesis 25:6, Genesis 29:21-30, Genesis 30:3, Genesis 30:9-13, 2 Chronicles 13:21, etc. I'll let you gooogle eternal marriage and the ability to become just like our creator. I think you are the one who needs to read your bible.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap and next, do you even read the bible? Do you know how many different ways there are to interpret Christ? Have you read scholarly interpretations? Evidently the stories of Moses weren't written til 300 years after he existed, and the stories of Christ til 90 years after he existed. If you're going to start arguing Bible doctrine at least get your facts straight. Even other Christian sects and Jewish sects fight back and forth on the exact definitive nature of God.
christianfarmer 2 months ago
@christianfarmer Don't trust the Bible. Just claim all of the Biblical names and hang tight to the 8th article of faith and believe everything Junior said, which was nonsense.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap eh, you're just throwing out crap. Go learn something. I was merely pointing out what Mormons believe, not saying it was complete truth.
christianfarmer 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap Go ahead, quote the Revelations verse saying you can't add things to the Bible - I dare you ;)
christianfarmer 2 months ago
@christianfarmer I never use that. How about Ezekiel and the out of context 2 sticks interpretation?
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap why wasnt joseph Smith a prophet? If God the Father created everything, including Jesus AND Satan, where we all not brothers in a sense at one point? back it up with bible verses and/or logic if you want to be taken seriously.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"why wasnt joseph Smith a prophet? "
Can you prove he was?
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer can you prove moses was a prophet? or peter? i could never prove ANYTHING to a close minded person who has no desire to find the truth
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"can you prove moses was a prophet? or peter?"
There is no evidence either Moses or Peter even existed.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer no evidence besides dozens of ancient writings where moses is mentioned. not to mention that small group of people called "The Jews" who have followed his teachings for thousands of years. do you think they just made him up? they were like "lets just start following a made up person into the desert." you just have your eyes closed.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"no evidence besides dozens of ancient writings where moses is mentioned"
There are many writings that mention Donald Duck. Does that mean he is real too?
""The Jews" who have followed his teachings for thousands of years."
Hindus have followed their teachings even longer. Does that mean the Hindu gods exist as well then?
"do you think they just made him up?"
Yes. He has all the hallmarks of a mythological character.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer if donald duck was a human being, and mentioned in different ancient texts it would be logical to believe he existed. you obviously don't know much about Hinduism, its more of a philosophy than a religion with prophets and can not be compared to Christianity or Judaism.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
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MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
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@HECH0ENMEXICO
"mentioned in different ancient texts it would be logical to believe he existed."
Odysseus , Hercules and Krisha are also mentioned in ancient texts. Did they exist as well?
"can not be compared to Christianity or Judaism."
They can, in that they are all fictitious.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO God the Father did not create everything. Jesus did. Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the INVISABLE God: 16 For By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible.
Jesus was never a spirit brother to anyone.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap the reason Jesus called him father is because he is his father. jesus christ created the world under the direction of the father.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
fuckin cheeky that its not like that at all :s
1nathang 2 months ago
lol this guys is funny and i live in utah
Filly309 3 months ago
Pathetic losers lol fuck the haters
fatimusmiprobius 3 months ago
This "ism" has missionaries selling salvation for 10% of your paycheck. Truthfully? They lie about the money. The money is used for members to dress up and play god in the temples.
awolLDSasap 4 months ago
@awolLDSasap they don't sell you salvation. they try to give you a better life
chadro85 2 months ago
@chadro85 To live with the Mormon god in the highest kingdom you must hand over 10% of your paycheck to the church. In Christianity eternal life with God is free.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap "you must hand over 10% of your paycheck", Wrong
you see we have somthing called "free agency" and infact if you don't have enough money to pay anything and your family is strugling. The chruch will give you money (or food, clothing, etc)
chadro85 2 months ago
@chadro85 Free agency... Are you really free?The 3rd article of faith states that salvation requires obedience to church dogma. This includes tithing. It becomes manditory if you want to live in the highest kingdom. This requires a full tithe to be paid to the church. In the meat department lds doctrine says pay a full tithe or you will burn at the judgement.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap lies. no one will ever "burn at judgement" because they can't pay. and yeah we really are free to choose. we can choose the right thing and get blessing or not. also nothing and i mean NOTHING is required of you. (again free agency obviously)
chadro85 2 months ago
@chadro85 No the right thing is to not be involved with any abrahamic faith.
humanistheart 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap the Mormon god is the same as the catholic god and the and im a Mormon but you don't have to give 10% of your wages
1nathang 2 months ago
@1nathang Same as the Catholic God? Not even close. Catholics believe in the trinity. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 1 God, as described in 1 John 5:7. Mormons believe in 3 Gods, and a multitude of Gods. If you want a temple recommend to live in the highest kingdom with the Mormon god you must hand over 10% of your income to the church. I believe the D&C says you will burn at the judgment if you don't pay tithing to the church.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap
Cool. Mormon Church rip off 10% of peoples income. Catholic Church stole land, participated in the slave trade, accepted bribes for absolution and sold fabricated "holy relics". Also pretty sure they've been at it a lot longer than the Mormons.
Arguing over which religion is more ridiculous and dishonest seems a bit pointless to me. Any belief that requires faith is ridiculous by default. Any institution built on propagating that faith is dishonest by default.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV it doesnt take faith to believe in the mormon church's theology. faith comes before belief. And tithing is not a rip off, people in this country are free to donate their own money to whomever they want. look up the word rip-off. acording to mormons the lds church has been around before the cathlic church.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Faith and belief are the same thing. The distinction is that rational beliefs have evidence to support them. Faith, by definition, is irrational belief without evidence.
I didn't claim people weren't free to do as they please with their own money. That has nothing to do with whether LDS is a scam and a rip-off.
Mormons claim many things. Most of them are either blatantly untrue or else undemonstrable and impossible to prove or disprove.
AntitheistPOV 2 months ago
@AntitheistPOV again,,, back up what you say if you want to be believed !!! if i tell a child it is wise of him to go to school and he does it, that is faith. once he is the C.E.O. of facebook and sees the benefit of being formally educated, that is no longer faith, it became knowledge.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
No. It becomes a correlation between education and success. There are plenty of successful people that are not formally educated, therefore there is no conclusive evidence that formal education equates to success.
Even assuming your bad analogy wasn't bad, education and material success aren't supernatural, irrational nonsense.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV you totally missed the point. let me put it in terms even you should understand. if a mother tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical socket and he obeys, that is faith (in the mothers knowledge). when that child grows up and understands electricity, it is no longer faith, it becomes knowledge. if you dont get this analogy then I give up.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Kids obey their parents because they're conditioned to do so until they're old enough to reason for themselves. It has nothing to do with any conscious decision on behalf of the child.
Yes, most adults understand how electricity works. Now you're talking about knowledge. The subject was faith and belief, neither of which equate to knowledge.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
The problem isn't that I don't understand your analogies. It's that they're wrong. However, put aside bad analogies for a while and get back to the subject.
Faith and belief are simply different terms to describe the same behavior. The distinction is that the term faith is reserved for situations where belief is inherently void of evidence or reason.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV my analogies are logical, but you have your eyes tightly closed out of fear. you dont understand religion. if i have a nice stable family and i tell someone that one of the reasons for that is because i don't commit adultery, then they have reason logically to put faith in me. if they stop cheating on their spouse and safe their marriage, then it stops being faith and becomes knowledge. and so forth with tithing, resting on the Sabbath day, praying, honoring your parents, etc.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Again, you're equating experience and demonstration with faith. When someone is able to observe your actions and demonstrate a result, faith is not required. Knowledge is the same. Neither of them have anything to do with faith, which is belief without evidence.
Perhaps the problem isn't just that you're fond of bad analogies, but that you lack a basic understanding of the term "faith".
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV your fundamental hangup is that YOU dont understand what faith is. YOU don't understand why people choose to follow an "invisible" god. the reason we follow him is because we know FROM EXPERIENCE that following his commandments brings us blessings. he said "honor your father and your mother so that thy days may be long upon the earth", if applied we will have firsthand knowledge that people who have good relationships with their parents on average live longer. faith= trust
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Except that it's not. Families, communities and parental obedience were much tighter knit 50, 100 or 200 years ago than they are today, yet today we live longer, are better educated and healther than we've ever been. That's simply a semantic point, however.
Your experience is not faith. Experience is a form of evidence. Faith is belief without evidence. If you'd invest in a dictionary you wouldn't need to fabricate definitions to suit your argument.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV you are so misguided that you fail to realize that i agree with faith being lack of evidence. Faith=trust. evidence comes AFTER application of faith. Christians trust in God because from past application of faith they have learned that Gods commandments have helped them. YOU are drinking the cool-aid if you believe people who go to church are insane. Faith (trust) becomes knowledge after experiencing its consequences, which in turn strengthen the faith (trust) in God.Its a cycle.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Simple way to answer that. Go do some research on the correlation between national religiosity and human flourishing (health, education, crime). In nations where there is less religion, the populations of said nations are almost invariably superior on every major social factor.
Your suggestion that belief in gods equates to positive consequences (and evidence thereof) is demonstrably false, if you'd bother to research your claims.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV i never said that belief in God equates to success. I said APPLICATION of Gods laws equates to success. The top successful societies in the world whether they believe in God or not, follow (knowingly or unknowingly) Gods commandments better than the less successful countries. Don't put words in my mouth, and don't use straw man arguments. Its childish.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Which gods commandments do they follow? Don't kill, don't steal? Those aren't commandments, they're basic precepts of every civilized society since before anyone had ever heard of Jesus. The first few commandments if you go by the Christian book revolve around obeying the one true God, worshiping no God but him and so on and so forth. So, no, they are in fact not following any gods commandments.
That's a blatant fabrication to justify your position.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV and another straw-man argument. you have no shame. I think your problem is that your critical thinking/logical process are flawed, and you fear accepting that because you need to justify your position. You've invested time and effort into being an anti-theist and now you fear loosing face. i said "knowingly or unknowingly", but you have no shame and continue to use straw man arguments. when you grow up and decide you want to seek the truth, message me.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
I don't think you understand the meaning of "straw man argument". You claimed people are following "Gods commandments". I directly addressed two of those commandments and demonstrated why it's illogical to assert that an atheist could possibly follow the first four commandments.
In what way is directly responding to your assertion a straw man argument?
You are wrong.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV you did not directly respond to my point. What I said was that truly successful people whether they know it or not are following Gods commandments. You cherry picked two commandments out of thousands in the bible, twisted my words and summed up that because they are not following THOSE TWO commandments, that "they are in fact not following ANY gods commandments". that is a childish straw man argument.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
In fact, I said they are following those two commandments, but that those commandments are common sense to every social creature and hardly worth being called commandments.
The ones I said atheists (and all non-Christians) don't follow are the first four, pertaining to obedience to the God of the Bible.
Simply put, secular societies do not follow the commandments. Secular societies are more successful than theistic societies. Your argument is clearly wrong.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Aside from which, the Bible says that the only path to righteousness and salvation is through Jesus Christ, in his name. "Generally following the commandments" does not qualify a person to enter Heaven or to experience Grace.
Have you read the Bible?
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV can't speak for "evangelical" Christians, but according to LDS theology, a person who obeys Gods commandments but doesn't believe in Jesus Christ will get closer to getting into the celestial kingdom than a person who doesn't obey them but preaches about Jesus Christ all day long. People need to obey him AND repent and be baptized by his authority in his name. You obviously don't know that much about Latter-Day Saint theology. yes I do read the bible. Every day. Stupid question.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
LDS members believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the path to redemption and salvation. Therefore, logically, you can not get to find salvation according to Mormon theology without acceptance of Christ.
A fact which lends itself to my point that accidentally following a few commandments does not equate to religious observation worth of Grace.
Apparently you're not only ignorant of history and social welfare, you're ignorant of your own religion.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
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@AntitheistPOV you keep using straw-man arguments. I doubt you're illiterate, so I must assume you just can't refute my reasoning. Let me cut and paste what I wrote again. "a person who obeys Gods commandments but doesn't believe in Jesus Christ will get ""CLOSER"" to getting into the celestial kingdom than a person who doesn't obey them but preaches about Jesus Christ all day long", "People need to obey him ""AND"" repent and be baptized by his authority in his name".
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
Now you're just being pedantic. "Closer" is irrelevant. Even if you follow every commandment to the letter, without belief in Christ, you can not receive grace or salvation. The commandments are irrelevant without first accepting Christ.
So, your argument that nations are "accidentally following the commandments" and are in receipt of Grace is completely bogus.
AntitheistPOV 1 month ago
@AntitheistPOV you are the ignorant hecho en Oaxaca! arriba el America y ya callate por favor!
erili29 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"if a mother tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical socket"
At least the mother can point to an electric socket, and the fork. She can also point to examples of people being electrocuted. Nobody can point to any god. This world is precisely what you would expect from a world where no god exists.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer maybe your world, your social circle, your view on the worlds problems point to no god. but my world is filled with evidence of a creator. my social circle, my view on the worlds problems, and my experience point to a loving but just God.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"my world is filled with evidence of a creator"
All of them imaginary.
"my experience point to a loving but just God. "
Not according to the Bible.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
@awolLDSasap in all times, in the history of christianity, the faithfull congregated, did missionary work, etc.. they always funded it. name ONE church or example when money wasnt used. go ahead...
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO All churches require money to operate and to help the downtrodden. When a church starts bragging about the people they help somethings wrong.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap the Mormon church does not brag about the people we help. you are making things up now. pathetic. first you critique os for paying tithing, then you say all churches require money. Where do you think that money comes from?! you are a bitter arrogent ex-mormon who is never going to have peace until he repents. you are in a downward spiral.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"the Mormon church does not brag about the people we help."
How about all the people you destroy? You know, like the people who want to leave your oppressive cult.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer anybody who wants to leave is free to do so. how do we destroy people? your arguments are baseless, fact-less, and pathetic.
HECH0ENMEXICO 2 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"anybody who wants to leave is free to do so"
And anybody is free to criticize beliefs or even make fun of them, especially when a belief is as silly as Mormonism.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer anyone is free to open their mouth and spew lies, but karma will catch up with them
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO Inside the church you're fine. Leaving the church will to shunning. From the conference pulpit church leaders have used character assassination against ex members.
awolLDSasap 2 months ago
@awolLDSasap we do not speak ill of ex members from the pulpit. back up what you say with quotes or examples
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO In conference an lds leader told a story about a high ranking member that left the early church. He called this ex member "Lucifarian" and subtly compared him to the Wilder family, the "Adams Road band". The band, "some were on missions" and parents, Lynn, a BYU proffessor left the church after discovering the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why bother if a member leaves? Because lds church policy is to shoot all messengers that oppose the gospel of Joseph Smith. You were saying?
awolLDSasap 1 month ago
@awolLDSasap there have been 180+ general conferences, give a specific example. I cant understand your grammar. Again, we don't attack ex-members.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO Mormons don't attack ex members? You've been plagued with myopic blindness.
awolLDSasap 1 month ago
@awolLDSasap back up what you say and give an example, or keep your lying mouth closed
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO If you listened in conference instead of sleeping you would know about it. You haven't been obedient.
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HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
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@awolLDSasap are you like 13 years old? lol, you're terrible at justifying your arguments. pathetic.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO Who's pathetic and acts like a child with name calling? Must be hard defending a narcissist who lied to the congregation about committing adultery.
awolLDSasap 1 month ago
@awolLDSasap You don't need to be a child to call a pathetic argument what it is. If you are going to accuse someone of adultery and lying, then accuse them, AND back it up with proof. Until then I cant take you seriously. Vague accusations are a sign of a weak case.
HECH0ENMEXICO 1 month ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO
"we don't attack ex-members"
That's a blatant lie.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
Love!! Because it does all sound like a shitload of nonsense to me xD Read the BoM, the D&C and the Pearl and the missionaries made me 'ask Heavenly Father for an answer'. And he gave me none ^^
xHadesxPersephonex 4 months ago
This guy has no freaking idea what he's talking about.
TheSnickbobbit 4 months ago
@halistra24 I had to read what you said a couple of times because of the grammar and spelling problems. What are you telling me when you say I am wrong? Are you saying that Brigham Young thought this up? He did not.
What about "no marrying or giving in marriage in heaven"? How does this verse fit with the idea? What about men being joined with other women in the temple? What is the objective there?
dadoc98 4 months ago
this is a retarded comedian
ownificationify 4 months ago
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I'll have respect for Mormons as soon as they remove D & C 132 from their scripture.
MrsPoodle78 4 months ago
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MrsPoodle78 4 months ago
mormon.org
Jabbawockeezcrazy 4 months ago
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Jabbawockeezcrazy 4 months ago
all of you are wrong. I am mormon and there are two mormon churches I belong to the true church and the other reformed. the reformed church is the one that believes polygamy. which to the true church IS wrong. and joseph smith isnt our savior. jesus christ is. joseph smith restored our church to the earth. and I thanj God everyday he did. by the way. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU MAKE JOKES. YOU WERE NOT FUNNY. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. SO you got burned
Lamanite27 5 months ago
Haha
patsrule1112 5 months ago
Funny stuff....
Shutterbug1000 7 months ago
First, I am not a Mormon. Second, I realize that this is comedy. Just so you know, it was Joseph Smith who first had the idea of "Celestial Marriage" (what the world calls polygamy) not Brigham Young.
dadoc98 8 months ago
@dadoc98 Thanks for the heads up...
NicholasAnthony 7 months ago