Since this was in 2009, the Copenhagen Conference has now been over for more than 2 years(I am writing in early 2012)and no such treaty creating a world communist government was signed by anyone, has this guy come back and apologized for spreading B.S.?Any of you conservatives notice that none of this stuff actually happened or is your disconnect from reality complete?By the way, treaties don't take effect until ratified by Congress.Presidents can't just sign away anything.BOGUS SCARE TACTIC
A world changing so fast and people with lack of knowlage would here this as cods wallap. Sorry Its very Real and worse! Its not global warming its Global Cooling, tempratures are droping on one side of the world wille on the othe Heating Up, Yes mother nature is just doing what she Has allways done.Micr Chips Terror 666power and money D - population Marshal law desease Its all in the plan, If You thought Hittler was a nut case see what the New World order Has To Offer SATAN AT HIS BEST
I love it how the people of the US are being pressured into so much bullshit, whether it's GW, the health bill, vaccination, illegal immigration, etc, etc, and the way these pigs defend it is by half-truth lies. They put their half-truth lies right out in the open and when someone smart enough calls them on it, they say "I'm not lying, and technically they're right, they are not lying so they have that on their side, but the evil is in the details, what they left out, the half-truth lie!
Therein comes your agenda. Pursuing it will not ensure you achieve what you would like to see
First off, youd best recognise that the US has been the single most 'pressuring' entity for 50 years. Its choices have been imposed on the world, rather than the other way around.
The health, vaccination, illegal immigration are choices your countrymen make, not the World imposing itself.
As for Coppenhagen - its essentially a new aid flow (like food aid), not a new government.
One more thing - if you accept that global warming is real but reject that the developed world 'owes' the rest of the world, that would be a valid objection to Copenhagen.
However, saying that Copenhagen will create a new world government (it will not) or that global warming is not happening (it is, and because of human activity) just makes your case worse, and clouds the issue.
I suggest in future you focus on what counts; on what basis do we have to compensate the rest of the world?
Forget the frekin compensation issue. GW is not being caused by man, the true science shows this quite clearly, and yes, they are trying to establish a world government, and don't tell me that you've read the treaty because the new treat has only been available since yesterday, and if you dare read it, it is very clear they plan to establish a huge, unelected bureaucratic body that will tax everything. You're just stupid enough to believe all the euphemisms and half-truths!
It has conclusively been shown to you and Monckton do not understand nor represent the 'real' science, which in fact shows you are wrong.
You and Monckton also do not understand and misrepresent the law, the draft of which Monckton relied on when he said it would form a 'world goverment' (and was wrong)
The last draft didnt say what you claimed, im sure this one doesnt either.
Simply put, youve got no clue, and after this debate, no excuse either
Visit skepticalscience com for an amalgamation of the most popular skeptic arguments and the actual position of scientists on the matter (its very comprehensive and disproves most any argument you are likely to have heard of)
10110110177 Just because he's a Lord, doesn't mean he's an elitist. You have some things to learn about titles. He was born with the title of Lord. There are many Lords and Knights, etc. That doesn't make you royalty.
OK, so Monckton read the treaty- and apparently either misunderstood it, or consciously decided to publicly lie about what it says. I've read it too.
The "government" it mentions has nothing to do with political government. It's just governing structure of the new institution that helps countries implement the treaty. This video and its descriptive text are utter fearmongering lies based on imaginative readings of out-of-context phrases. Shame on Moncton and on the poster for engaging in this.
I didnt catch what made you qualified to comment on climate science or international treaties. I think thatd be a bit of a prerequisite for judging right from wrong here.
If your question is whether i am partisan, the answer is no - i do not work for any government, I live and work in Australia in the private economy.
For legal analysis of the draft treaty, refer to an international law specialist or numerous articles on the topic.
Well, as a person who is fluent in English, when I see something written in English, I am often capable of understanding what it says. I've also done plenty of research into the AGW issue from all sides because I'm interested, although that is not what I was commenting on here. I was commenting on the fact that Monckton is lying about what the treaty says about the governing structure.
Wow, that is spectacularly paranoid and delusional. Sorry the truth is so bothersome to you that you go to this kind of fanciful length to discredit it, but I saw the words right there in the treaty, and you're not going to convince me that I didn't, so I'm not sure why you event bothered to make this statement.
Having considered your comment further: I'm working for the trut. I am a patriotic American and this man is trying to destroy our nation, coming here spreading lies, trying to scare people into turning against their government by claiming it is trying to do something that you can see in clear black and white that it isn't.
READ THE WHOLE TREATY.
And I still don't know why you think that you can convince me that I'm a liar when I know I'm nothing of the sort. So silly.
@GuitaristInProgress So its a year later.... do you STILL believe that our government isn't in on this New World Order?! Or have you paid attention to all the ridiculous, commie pieces of legislation passing DAILY (against the will of the majority of the people, and against the Constitution itself?) Are you not the LEAST bit suspicious as to why this usurper sitting in the White House hasn't been IMPEACHED yet for all the acts of tyranny he and his unelected Czars are using to collapse America
No, because, while there's certainly plenty of actual things to dislike about Obama, I'm still not a raving loony. If you honestly believe a single word you just said, you need to get more than your oil adjusted. You just managed to squeeze 8 falsehoods into 3 sentences.
@recyclecongress (continued from previous comment:) You should learn the meaning of the following terms and concepts before you use them: "New World Order", "commie", "majority", "Constitution", "usurper", "impeach", "unelected", "tyranny", "Czar", "collapse", "America". Because you got every one of them wrong.
Stop listening to liars like Monckton. Our real problems are bad enough without people inventing false ones to distract us from actually solving anything.
@GuitaristInProgress FYI, in my other commment I did not DEFINE every single word separately in their own sentences for you to have accused me of not knowing the meanings to. I know the meaning to every word I used, thank you. Those are my informed observations of what's going on in this nation- and there are many others that know the truth as well. And the Climate Treaty has NOTHING to do with "climate"- yet EVERYTHING to do with regulating every aspect of our lives.
Yep, hes basically took it upon himself to single-handedly misrepresent both climate science and international law. All based on one word in a document several hundred pages long and his own opinion.
Its refreshing to have someone else point this out for once, instead of endlessly replying to people who havent got any relevant training, havent even read the draft treaty (its linked by the OP) and yet decide they know better then you (and everyone else) anyway.
Oh, wait a second... irR4tiOn4L, I'm sorry, were these comments directed at me, or at Patriot177689, who asked who I was working for? If they were directed at him, sorry I came at you with claws out, I misunderstood.
I think you must have mistook my comments as directed at you because the formatting hadnt properly kicked in yet, and shown them to be replies to Tyler.
No need for apologies, its a simple error. Unlike Monckton..
GuitaristinProgress, that's bullcrap, and if you took the time to look at some of Monkton's other video interviews he goes into it with much more detail about how laws can be passed domestically without Congress approval with the help of this idiotic scam of a treaty. He is generalizing in this video since it is his closing comments obviously.
Although existing bodies such as the UN, WTO and EU make important inroads into national affairs, there is no world government being established at Copenhagen and the US will not cede its sovereignty.
So what's your point, that we shouldn't try and stop this? The more we let them get away with, the closer them become to getting everything they want from us!
To a certain extent it is true that our politicians do not do what we want (sometimes for good reason) - check out Switzerland's new constitutional amendment on minarets.
So i do support direct democracy, to an extent.
But in this case Copenhagen is not the threat Monckton is making out, and what he is warning about is just not true.
My point is that you should get the facts straight before trying to defend against a lie
"Defend against a lie" you say??? Even if Monkton was lying, what the hell is the bigger lie here...Monkton's or Gore's???
Well lets see, if Monkton is lying, then I guess nothing happens ha? If Gore is lying, which he certainly is, then we destroy our economy and our lives dramatically change for the worse with taxation up the ass!
So, I guess you're point is pretty damn trivial isn't it!
Anyone who has read the treat can see Monkton is lying. It's plain as day. But, believe what you will, I see no point in arguing against people who've already decided what they want to believe.
You're arguing bullshit semantics! The important thing here is that an outside unelected body is trying to push precedence over our Constitution by making the American people pay a bullshit tax, or fee, or whatever bullshit euphemism you want to call it for a bullshit idea that people are causing global warming and Americans need to pay!
Whether it's a world government or just a idiotic UN grab, I couldn't care less, it's damn wrong and needs to be stopped so kiss my ass!
Actually no, as a lawyer im telling you that the guy is totally wrong, there is no 'unelected body' being given power over America, and hes also wrong that theres no such thing as Global Warming
Hes widely regarded as a moron, and thats certainly what you seem to be
irR4tiOn, if you're a lawyer, you're one dumbass of a lawyer! Any law student, let alone a lawyer with half a brain would know you don't make a statement without knowing all the evidence - Monckton never said there's no global warming, he said there's no man-made global warming dumbshit! If you took a minute to research him instead of thumping your hollow chest that you're a lawyer, and one dumbass of a lawyer at that, you might not put your foot in your mouth again
He didnt say theres no 'global warming', he said humans didnt cause it.
You dont know anything about him therefore you are wrong.
Well, i happen to have done quite a bit of research about him before i posted. Hes a dishonest person who has no qualms with lying about why he sold his house in order to boost sales of his puzzle games - and likely has no qualms on this topic either.
The full term is 'Andropogenic Climate Change', commonly referred to as 'Global Warming'. It is your unfamiliarity with the subject that leads you to think everyone must constantly preface this with 'human climate change' - no such thing is necessary, as it is common accepted scientific fact that the world's climate changes.
It is also commonly accepted that andropogenic climate change is a fact - which both you and Mr Monckton conveniently ignore
LOL, Oh, okay...Andropogenic! Wow, Im impressed now, you must know all about it! First of all fat head, what is commonly accepted does not make it true. It was commonly accepted that the world was flat at one time. Secondly, Monckton dose not dispute climate change nor that it may be in flux now. What he disputes is that man is causing it in any significant way. Thirdly, I couldnt care less if he's an axe murder, its his information that's the debate...like Gore has a clean history, lol!
Actually, people have known the world is round for close to 2000 years. That they supposedly didnt is a myth propagated by arrogant people who wanted to change history and the way we saw a group of people (Medieval society) - thats what Mr Monckton is doing
There would be no complaint if Mr Monckton were simply in error. But Mr Monckton is in denial, has the wrong training and past to be passing comment on law or science, and to top it all off puts himself above much more reputable scientists
Please don't lecture me with history, obviously people new the world was round for 2000 years, they've known the world was round for a hell of a lot longer then that, but a majority of people in a certain part of the world did believe the earth was flat because of propaganda, again, the details are trivial, you know the point I was making. Secondly, why has no so-called REPUTABLE pro-andropogenic scientist challenged Monckton as I know he would gladly accept the challenge.
Why should they waste their time debating this guy? They don't owe him anything. Most of the serious guys are too busy working for political grandstand plays.
Andropogenic is not a new term nor is it something i made up. Its in common use and you should have known it. I dont use such jargon but you insisted when you made the 'he only disputes human climate change' semantic distinction
The problem is you are listening to the wrong source. I understand your concerns and to a certain extent right wingers like Monckton are right there are economic costs.
But the science is best left to scientists, and they are in consensus
As for commonly accepted truths - that is not what led to a finding of Andropogenic Climate Change. People didnt just start to 'believe it' like roughly 10% of Americans now believe we did not land on the moon.
Rather, most people reasonably considered that they should listen to the right people to give guidance on the topic, the very dedicated and thorough scientific community - who make choices not on popular opinion, but science.
irR4tiOn4L you couldn't be more full of crap! "Monckton goes against them on opinion alone"??? LOL Opinion ha? I can't believe how ignorant you are about this man! Watch just about any of his videos where he's interviewed and he goes as much into the detailed science as you wish him to go, unlike the hack Gore who dances all around the issues and won't debate him. There are over 30 thousand scientists and other experts who have signed a petition that andropogenic global warming is a hoax
The 30 000 scientist signatures are a well known hoax. Only 2100 are even remotely trained in the field (the rest generally being from non science fields) and of those none are climate specialists.
The petition is an industry initiatite, designed to cloud the issue. It is not accepted and in fact refuted by IPCC, an international scientific investigation. It is not good science, its not even science at all
Noone needs to respond to it. Only Fox News, the worst of the worst, would report it
Gore at least listened to the scientists, unlike Monckton who came to conclusions completely at odds to the professionals. He also had more legal training and did a pretty good job summarising the science. Check skepticalscience com if you want to see any error he made
Monckton just read a draft treaty that he didnt understand (or did it intentionally) and read science he didnt understand (or didnt want to understand) to support his preconcieved view - economic rationalist who stands to gain
And just to be clear, the final word doesnt rest what Gore or Monckton or the general public think - theres a science behind this with people extremely devoted to getting it right and its these scientists that a person like Gore and Monckton are supposed to represent.
If in doubt, always go to the professionals and scientists - science is in agreement global warming exists, lawyers are in agreement copenhagen will not form an international government.
As for yourself, you dont seem to have University education in either law or science, and judging by the insults you throw around, you dont have the training to hold a discussion
So quite why you think everyone else is wrong and only a select cadre like yourself has it 'right' is beyond me. Quite why you refuse to accept the words of those who DO have legal training, and DO study climatology, i dont know.
But as for Mr Monckton, we DO know. He is an economic rationalist and stands to gain
I want to refer you to skepticalscience com, which says:
Beneath the politics is a more elemental instinct - an aversion to alarmism. We've been burnt before. And I won't deny there are alarmists in the global warming camp. Urgent cries that the ice sheets are on the verge of sliding into the sea. Or emotional pleas to save those cute little polar bears. Sadly, alarmists seem to be the loudest voices in the global warming debate. But that doesn't change the science underneath.
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i believe in a one world government! every one in the 3rd world countries will be taken care of! I the people who don't believe in this is plain out selfish.
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Tea Parties are more effective than Mainstream Media want you to think. All but Fox are in the hip pocket of the Democrats.
Also, even small contributions to more conservative candidates - $5 or $10 - and send a copy of the receipt to the incumbent they are running against is a message they will notice.
Then, Calls, Letters and Emails to the jerks who are trying to push it through.
The Senate has to Ratify with more that 67%+ majority, for his signature to stand legal. Take heart and FIGHT!
your an idiot what the fuck are you going to do? sit on your computer and pray for god allah or buddah to come save your ass? no go make some fucking money and live as good as u can still u die ITS INEVITABLE NO POINT WAITING PUSS
Yeah your an idiot for assuming that's all I'm going 2 do, It's people like you that won't do nothing for your people not even fight just live the life THEY show you like there's nothing more 2 it,Go ahead live your life, And so what is there isn't a god? what do you have to lose? You base your facts on what YOU and people around you say obviously since you think a person like me which DOES believe in Christ is only going 2 sit around and do nothing about what happens to my people,your ignorant.
You know that all the Communists, Socialists, Liberal/Progressives, Religious Secular Humanists - all the enemies of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are going to say this man is "full of it."
That includes Politifact. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida, and I can tell you now, the ONLY reason I would buy that newspaper or anything written in it would be to put in the bottom of my Parrot Cages, or to Wrap Fish!
(imho) The RAG is no less Pravda West than is the New York Times!
All the Western World is chanting ZPG, ZPG, while all the Islamists are making six and more babies per household. They will overtake by force of numbers alone, in less than twenty years.
A Replication rate of minimum 2.1 chidren per household is required simply to mainain the present population.
Monckton is a member of the Worshipful Company of Broderers, an Officer of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, a Knight of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and a member of the Roman Catholic Mass Media Commission. He is also a qualified Day Skipper with the Royal Yachting Association, and has been a Trustee of the Hales Trophy for the Blue Riband of the Atlantic since 1986.[1]
What truth? I can't find that treaty anywhere except linked from conspiracy websites. Not even wikileaks has it. This is scare mongering of the worst sort. Don't just believe it because this guy says it so dramatically. Don't be stupid. Confirm it. Look it up.
Don't be stupid, you say to me. Do you have a clue who Saul Alinsky was. He was Barack Obama's Teacher, and Hillary's, as well.
He taught, "lie outright to get to your goal, and demonize anyone who catches you in the lie."
Do you know who George Soros is? He is one of the top Marxist Globalists, He is President Obama's top sponsor, and he is ruthless without conscience, being a Jew who helped the Nazis plunder Jewish peoples financial holdings. I stupid, by your definition. You can go willing.
More fear.. On what do you base these opinions? on what someone else has told you? have you read the treaty? the actual treaty on a government website? not on some paranoid schizophrenics blog? Do not fear the ravings of madmen. Check up on it. Confirm it. Don't repeat the lies.
Ya right, if everyone read the bill Obama was promoting on health care for themselves they would think he was telling the truth when he said Illegals would not get health care under the bill, but it took people that could see through the BS to point out that there was no enforcement written in the bill so it was very misleading, now I'm going to trust the damn UN to know what's best for my country, even if Moncken is wrong which he's not, I'd trust him any day over the damn UN so kiss my ass!
That's because anyone who can afford it can buy insurance. There's no giveaway in the bill to anyone, let alone illegals. And by law emergency rooms must treat anyone that comes in. So there's no need to have a requirement to stop from giving anything to illegals because there's nothing being given away.
Thank you for exposing yourself as an Obamaoid as suspected, you passed the test, lol!
As for your explanation on exposing Moncken, it's retarded! I'm sure it makes sense to someone as out of touch as you are that there's a million conspiracy theories going on about this, but Moncken was chosen by the Republican Congress as their answer to Gore, so if there is anyone the Democrats would want to make look foolish it's Moncken. As it is Moncken is constantly avoided by Gore.
I'm not an Obamaoid, I'm not even American. I just can't stand by silent while watching this unbridled paranoia run its course. What I like is EVIDENCE. words here, words there, don't count for fuck all. Unless you can find something substantial to base your rantings on, then it all means nothing. Just repeating ad nauseum the talking points that are being passed around is not evidence. it just feeds on paranoia. Your paranoia. and you eat it up.
You couldn't ever find Bilderberg group meetings anywhere on mainstream media until lately either, and even now it's hardly mentioned, but they happened every damn year. If this is just scare mongering like you foolishly believe then why hasn't anyone of importance denied it? Certainly it would be a big browny point for the pro-global warming crowd to make an ass out of Lord Monckten since the hack Gore consistently refuses to debate him. You're connecting the wrong dots.
because it's crazy talk. if they took time to deny every crazy conspiracy theory out there they'd never get any work done. connecting what dots? The dots pointed out to you by crazy people? They're the only ones that see them.
LOL, ya, ya, name calling as usual without any substance "crazy conspiracy theory" "crazy talk" "crazy people" give me some substance! Prove it big boy, put your money where your mouth is! Lets say you're right for the sake of argument, LOL, what's the worse thing that could happen if everyone believed this video ha? What are you so afraid of? If this is false like you say then nothing will happen so piss off! On the other hand if it's correct as it is, everyone should be very concerned!
Since you're the one making the positive assertion here, the burden of proof falls upon you. This kind of talk has been around for years and years, and nothing ever happens. I remember reading about FEMA camps in the 90's first it was Clinton that was going to round everyone up, and then it was Bush going to round everyone up, and now it's Obama. Lots of conspiracies, and nothing ever happens. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. You live in a permanent state of fear for no reason.
"Nothing ever happens" what a laughably ridiculous statement! Obviously everything doesn't happen the way every conspiracy theory says it will, but you conveniently pick and choose the ones the fit your hypothesis with a little twisting here and there! Many of the things you're talking about where not projections for certain dates, only statement of events that rationally point to conclusions which very depending on who you talk to. By the way, there are many things that have come true!
Well first of all, you talk about all so called conspiracy people as being predictors when most are questioners and exposers, not theory people like the mainstream what you to believe. But okay, for example: 9/11 prediction. For example: laws past after 9/11 to take freedoms away. For example: Congress trying to pass amnesty for illegals. For example: Congress trying to pass so-called bail out bills. For example: US not getting out of Iraq when Obama took over.
Those aren't conspiracies. they actually had real things to base those opinions on. Not hearsay.
And as far as Iraq goes, There's a quarter of a million people there, if they did pull out all at once the entire local support infrastructure would collapse. I don't recall Obama ever saying that he'd pull out on day 1. it's something that has to be wound down. or it'll cause more problems then it solves.
Funny, I don't remember writing that Obama was suppose to pull the troops out all at once either. Where did I say all at once? He has not pulled them out at all overall, just did some shuffling is all.
Secondly, I don't have the time to be trying to figure out what you consider a conspiracy or not, the fact is people predicted this and the mainstream rejected it as garbage if they even addressed it at all?
Conspiracies are predictions made with no evidence or specious evidence to base them on.
Or to put it another way, taking a simple thing like the FEMA emergency camps for example, the need to house people displaced by natural disaster is a real one, but to then say that they're being made to house the political enemies of those in power is based on paranoia, not facts.
You know, I really don't want to be insulting, but your need to go back to school or take a long hard look in the dictionary for what "Conspiracy" means. It has absolutely nothing to do with predictions or evidence based on false evidence.
Conspiracies are just a group of people who conspire (agree together) to work together towards the same wrongful goal. There I just did your homework for you! See what a nice guy I am!
The fact is conspiracies happen all the time my friend!
I know that, but what we're talking about is conspiracy THEORIES. that would be when other people SEE groups of people conspiring toward a goal. whether or not they actually exist.
Okay, but you wrote "Conspiracies", not "Conspiracy theory's" I'm not a mind reader, but okay, I've never head of a "conspiracy theory" that was based on no evidence that was taken seriously. Like I said, you will always find nuts out there, however your definition as well as understanding of what so-called conspiracy theorists that are respected like Alex Jones and Jim Marrs for example is very distorted. You're taking the fringe wackos and generalizing them as all of them.
You know, you still haven't answered my most important question to you - what are you for? How do you think people should act? Do you think we should never question the government and just assume they are doing what is in our best interest? Are you saying conspiracies don't happen?
Most high profile so-called conspiracy theorists are not in the business of predictions, they are in the business of informing, and are the first ones to say, "don't believe me, do the research yourself."
Also, you say that people like Gore, or the pro-global warming establishment don't have the time to bother with every conspiracy theory out there. Well do you really believe that Lord Moncken who was recently chosen as the Congressional Republican party rep to take on Al Gore would be promoting a hoax? Do you know how foolish that would make the Republican party look if their chosen rep was promoting a hoax? You need to do a little research on Lord Moncken.
Debates mean nothing except for public consumption, do you think the person that is the best speaker is right? or just the best speaker. This is real life, not a high school debating club.
I don't understand you, you say we should question this video, and guess what, Moncken is the first to say do the research yourself, don't just believe me, and you would know that if you watched some of his interviews, however we shouldn't question the fact that Gore consistently refuses to debate Moncken? We shouldn't question the fact that the Congressional Democrats refused to allow Moncken to represent the Republicans after they chose him as their rep against the Dems choice (Gore)?
So gore says he's not going to waste his time debating this shill and that means he's wrong?
It just means he's doesn't want to waste his time debating a republican ringer. People keep saying look at the money. Well do so. Look at the money. The oil companies have a hell of a lot more to lose than a few research grants by the scientists. Do you think this guy is promoting this kind of stuff out of the goodness of his heart? he's getting paid quite a bit.
There is always going to be idiotic conspiracy theories and information, much of it with half-truths, that doesn't mean it's all garbage, and someone would be a total fool to think so!
The guy in this video says he's seen the treaty. If he has, and it's not classified, why doesn't he produce it? if it's classified, then why is he being allowed to run around all over the place telling everyone about it? Be skeptical. Don't buy into any crackpot theory that comes down the river without real evidence.
LOL, sorry, but I can't help but laugh since you certainly sound like the one more paranoid here! Are you suggesting that we should all just relax and not question what the hell our governments are doing? So what if they are doing something we don't want, we shouldn't be concerned? Just what are you promoting then? I've heard plenty of what you're against, what are you for?
Again, what harm does it do if people are wrong about this compared to if they are right?
He is absolutely correct concerning what he said about what has happened to Greenpeace-- I can't believe it myself and yet its true.. only I saw it errode into a puppet of other interests where the true environmental issues were suddenly dumped and then Greenpeace was a laughable shell of its former self.. like a watchdog with no teeth and then made into a mockery of its self, a parody.. a former icon of all what was good now selling its name to bad global propaganda rather than saving anything.
Monckton claims to be a Science expert, regardless that his paper-thin educational background lies in the Classics and his single academic credit is a diploma in journalism.
Despite his track record for apparently intentional inaccuracies, people continue to take him seriously. He has been caught out on several occasions indulging in deliberate manipulation of scientific data to understate the effects of climate science.
... this disinformation brought to you by Exxon Mobile.
Google Lord Christopher Monckton / Exxon / Heartland Institute.
This guy isn't what he appears. He doesn't give a rats ass about NWO. He's sabotaging the upcoming COP15 climate change talks on behalf of Exxon Mobile.
Heartland helped Phillip Morris sell their cancer sticks by distorting the scientific link between cancer and tobacco for awhile, too.
Do you know when? There used to be a LEGAL process where foreign treaties had to be ratified by the Senate, but that went out the window when W single-handedly signed NAFTA and nobody in Congress said a word.
Ok, if this treaty supercedes the Constitution it should not be signed, just like NAFTA should not have been signed. I don't trust this guy though and here's why. 1) he's English, with a title of royalty, so he's part of a "club" that's not human friendly. 2) the podium says "Free Market Institute", which = Globalist, which = Nazi. It just makes me wonder what his real goals are? 91177 info is a pretty straight shooter though, so who knows?
We are Armerica, no matter what that dirt bag sitting in the white house signs....
America own America, no other world government owns America Period...
When we came here we had a plan, and we will continue to own America...
Americans built this country and they are about to let some dirt bag sign it away...so he can sign it, but it's a worthless piece of paper by any other name.
Actually what he is saying is correct. Those world government puppets put in the W.H. have been signing away your America under false pretenses since JFK, the last American hero. And the sheeples go to work and come back home to their TV, NFL, coach, beer and potato chips as long as CNN, ABC, NBC......are owned by the elites who owned the W.H. and Capital Hill. Your sense of patriotism admirable but NOTWITHSTANDING.
i have read the treaty it does refer to UN constitution. it is treaty which also overrides our constitutional laws. so this is very real. i rufuse to accept that treaty. i want to see them come out and enforce it. i just can't believe people are not rioting.
i am not advocating rioting. i am just surprised it hasn't come down to that. this is pretty serious stuff that i thought the american populous would not stand idly by and watch our country being sold out to the UN constitution. see years ago noone really knew why the un had a constitution it just didn't make any sense they have no country but its making sense now. see we wiil go by un cons. because they are the governing body.UN treaty.i have read this treaty its on google COP15 treaty
People only protest/riot when they are forced to do something they don't want to do or they can't afford to make ends meet because of additional taxes.
people in this country better stand up for this country before there is no country to stand up for.i have calling my representatives daily. writing emails to senate everyday. for now thats all i can do. i would suggest to everyone in here to do the same
I with some help emailed all the MP's in the Houses of Parliament in regards to my concern with the dangerous, not properly tested H1N1 vaccine. Only two replied. One said they too were also concerned and had their suspicions and the other said I didn't have any merit as I was not a doctor.
I replied- So If I am ever aware of a crime taken place in the future I should never contact the police since I am not a criminal.
Egotistical sociopaths with no real compassion for humanity.
i have gotten some of the same response from the senate here in US. they are just not listening anymore. but for now its all we can do. you are right though they are sociopaths. its just sickens me to know that the leaders of this world just don't care. its a scary world we live in now.
behearsoon, I can't understand how you can call yourself a Christian and then refer to one of your fellow humans as a dirt bag. Nobody owns a country.
America was built on the blood of native Americans, my countrymen were a part of that and I am ashamed of what they did, you should be to. As a Christian you have a duty to love ALL your human family, if you don't you are not following the teachings of Christ.
yes i love all people and I don't want to see any one hurt and i don't agree with violence,theft , slavery or any thing of that nature but i can not do any thing about the past only the future .
Good for you truthteller1967, I hope you at least in some way understand that Obama is trying to stop all the fighting and war that is going on then and whatever political beliefs you have that has to be a good thing. I mean you don't want a president that is going all out to make the "end times" happen do you? Some of the people in positions of power in USA are trying to bring that about and to be honest I think they are insane, but thats just my opinion. I want a future and peace. xbb55
Okay ! First of all the president of this country must be born here to be a president. second of all, if God says something is to happen , rest assured it will no matter the intentions of any one , third Obama owns 500,000.00 in pharma stock and stands to benefit from the VAX being made mandatory ya know martial law . Wake up PLEASE !
truthteller1967 sorry I can't be bothered to speak to you anymore you are a "birther" lol get some help quick. Oh and how do you know what God says, do you believe everything you read in the papers to? Are you hearing voices? It's not God it's mental illness hope you have insurance to cover that.
truthteller1967, I think you mean MIND and DAMN. Haarp is something that belongs to USA and as I don't watch TV or read newspapers or consume any fluoride, Aspartame, coca cola and haven't even been in a Macdonalds for 20 years and spend most of my time studying and researching I can assure you there is nothing wrong with my mind. NO ONE controls me I make my own mind up about everything. Peace .
Obama is bringing anything but peace to this country. we have never in our countries history has as much government control of the citizens as we do right now. That is why you are seeing such a huge split in this country. The far left is destroying the foundation of our country and it makes me sick..
I'm sorry, America a beacon of freedom to the world? Thats laughable, America is trying to rule the world and at the moment resembles a crumbling Roman empire. Because of the actions of America especially under Bush, China is heading for being the next superpower. America is addicted to oil and war and arms profits and it's way of spreading"freedom" is to bomb and maim and kill. Monckton is a sham he hasn't got a seat in the house of Lords he inherited his title from his father. Didn't earn it.
All the more to reson listen to him , he dose not have a title given to him by a mans knowlage but rather love from his Father ! " Monckton is a sham he hasn't got a seat in the house of Lords he inherited his title from his father. Didn't earn it."
truthteller1967, his inherited title has nothing to do with love and everything to do with an outdated class system. When there was a seat available in the house of Lords he got zero votes....that says something.
That's the thing, we need to listen to our for fathers , for they were given wisdom from God and it is not listening to them that has led us to this dreadful place.
truthteller1967, if you believe in God you have to believe he gave us free will, therefore the good or evil men do is entirely their own responsibility, not Gods or the devils.
I think he is referring to the PEOPLE, not the gov. Once again, no one ever separates the people from the actions of the government. America IS the only country, compared to Europe, is willing to stand up for old ideas and stand up for their rights. China being the superpower won't matter truly b/c the U.N. favors the U.S. As for spreading "freedom" - name 1 superpower whose hands aren't bloody. The U.S.' power is transferred from the British Empire. Rome never died. Just changes hands.
HammandClov, haven't you noticed? The old ideas you say America is standing up for don't work. I find it very interesting that you say the UN favours the US, why is it called the United Nations then? I can't name a superpower without blood on it's hands and that is a damn good reason for the age of superpowers to end.
Why do you think the U.N. NEVER questions the U.S. actions and if it does, never take the action it does against smaller nations? The U.N. was a U.S.-led creation and the elites of the U.S., their goals are to create a global society that their power never ends. Obama is helping the transition. A global society under one government is what you want? Note that a single government has no higher authority to question it. A global power monopolizes all - you want that? I don't.
It is true America has let their morals go to their heads and allowed the spirit of pried take over but they can turn from there sin and be forgiven and be that beacon of light once again by listening to God their first love !
bigbadboriqua, if you believe in God and the antichrist don't you think the first mission of the antichrist would be to divide us and spread hatred between nations and races? and that anyone hating because of race colour or religion is playing his game NOT Gods? I don't recall Jesus preaching anything but love and understanding, so in reality anyone hating because of race colour or religion can't call themselves a Christian. Christianity is not meant to be a form of insurance against hell.
Actually first mission of the Antichrist will be to deceive us all and have us accept him full. fact is we are living in the end times as described in the Bible. I suggest you get right with Yah'shua right away.
Actually bigbadboriqua, please don't talk to me about "the end times" as far as I'm concerned thats a load of guff that was written by some guy in a cave on magic mushrooms. It actually worries me that there are people in your senate that believe in that and are looking forward to it and are in positions of power so could try to make it happen and meanwhile are making loads of money from arms sales. They are pushing for a war to end all wars on the plain of armageddon. Corrupt and insane idiots.
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Since this was in 2009, the Copenhagen Conference has now been over for more than 2 years(I am writing in early 2012)and no such treaty creating a world communist government was signed by anyone, has this guy come back and apologized for spreading B.S.?Any of you conservatives notice that none of this stuff actually happened or is your disconnect from reality complete?By the way, treaties don't take effect until ratified by Congress.Presidents can't just sign away anything.BOGUS SCARE TACTIC
rlc164 3 weeks ago
A world changing so fast and people with lack of knowlage would here this as cods wallap. Sorry Its very Real and worse! Its not global warming its Global Cooling, tempratures are droping on one side of the world wille on the othe Heating Up, Yes mother nature is just doing what she Has allways done.Micr Chips Terror 666power and money D - population Marshal law desease Its all in the plan, If You thought Hittler was a nut case see what the New World order Has To Offer SATAN AT HIS BEST
epsilon936 1 year ago
I love it how the people of the US are being pressured into so much bullshit, whether it's GW, the health bill, vaccination, illegal immigration, etc, etc, and the way these pigs defend it is by half-truth lies. They put their half-truth lies right out in the open and when someone smart enough calls them on it, they say "I'm not lying, and technically they're right, they are not lying so they have that on their side, but the evil is in the details, what they left out, the half-truth lie!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Therein comes your agenda. Pursuing it will not ensure you achieve what you would like to see
First off, youd best recognise that the US has been the single most 'pressuring' entity for 50 years. Its choices have been imposed on the world, rather than the other way around.
The health, vaccination, illegal immigration are choices your countrymen make, not the World imposing itself.
As for Coppenhagen - its essentially a new aid flow (like food aid), not a new government.
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
One more thing - if you accept that global warming is real but reject that the developed world 'owes' the rest of the world, that would be a valid objection to Copenhagen.
However, saying that Copenhagen will create a new world government (it will not) or that global warming is not happening (it is, and because of human activity) just makes your case worse, and clouds the issue.
I suggest in future you focus on what counts; on what basis do we have to compensate the rest of the world?
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Forget the frekin compensation issue. GW is not being caused by man, the true science shows this quite clearly, and yes, they are trying to establish a world government, and don't tell me that you've read the treaty because the new treat has only been available since yesterday, and if you dare read it, it is very clear they plan to establish a huge, unelected bureaucratic body that will tax everything. You're just stupid enough to believe all the euphemisms and half-truths!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Tyler, this will be my last reply.
It has conclusively been shown to you and Monckton do not understand nor represent the 'real' science, which in fact shows you are wrong.
You and Monckton also do not understand and misrepresent the law, the draft of which Monckton relied on when he said it would form a 'world goverment' (and was wrong)
The last draft didnt say what you claimed, im sure this one doesnt either.
Simply put, youve got no clue, and after this debate, no excuse either
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Lord Christopher Monckton proving himself to be an abject idiot.
robertjamesfrost 2 years ago
Yes, they are.
Visit skepticalscience com for an amalgamation of the most popular skeptic arguments and the actual position of scientists on the matter (its very comprehensive and disproves most any argument you are likely to have heard of)
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
If these "elitists" are all old blood royalty that worship satan and create a nwo, where the hell does this LORD Monckton guy come from?
101101101777 2 years ago
10110110177 Just because he's a Lord, doesn't mean he's an elitist. You have some things to learn about titles. He was born with the title of Lord. There are many Lords and Knights, etc. That doesn't make you royalty.
Tyler13R 2 years ago
I suppose, just wary of possible dis-information
101101101777 2 years ago
OK, so Monckton read the treaty- and apparently either misunderstood it, or consciously decided to publicly lie about what it says. I've read it too.
The "government" it mentions has nothing to do with political government. It's just governing structure of the new institution that helps countries implement the treaty. This video and its descriptive text are utter fearmongering lies based on imaginative readings of out-of-context phrases. Shame on Moncton and on the poster for engaging in this.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Who are you working for? You do not know what you are talking about honestly.
Patriot177689 2 years ago
I didnt catch what made you qualified to comment on climate science or international treaties. I think thatd be a bit of a prerequisite for judging right from wrong here.
If your question is whether i am partisan, the answer is no - i do not work for any government, I live and work in Australia in the private economy.
For legal analysis of the draft treaty, refer to an international law specialist or numerous articles on the topic.
For climate science, visit skepticalscience com
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Well, as a person who is fluent in English, when I see something written in English, I am often capable of understanding what it says. I've also done plenty of research into the AGW issue from all sides because I'm interested, although that is not what I was commenting on here. I was commenting on the fact that Monckton is lying about what the treaty says about the governing structure.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Wow, that is spectacularly paranoid and delusional. Sorry the truth is so bothersome to you that you go to this kind of fanciful length to discredit it, but I saw the words right there in the treaty, and you're not going to convince me that I didn't, so I'm not sure why you event bothered to make this statement.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Having considered your comment further: I'm working for the trut. I am a patriotic American and this man is trying to destroy our nation, coming here spreading lies, trying to scare people into turning against their government by claiming it is trying to do something that you can see in clear black and white that it isn't.
READ THE WHOLE TREATY.
And I still don't know why you think that you can convince me that I'm a liar when I know I'm nothing of the sort. So silly.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
@GuitaristInProgress So its a year later.... do you STILL believe that our government isn't in on this New World Order?! Or have you paid attention to all the ridiculous, commie pieces of legislation passing DAILY (against the will of the majority of the people, and against the Constitution itself?) Are you not the LEAST bit suspicious as to why this usurper sitting in the White House hasn't been IMPEACHED yet for all the acts of tyranny he and his unelected Czars are using to collapse America
recyclecongress 8 months ago
No, because, while there's certainly plenty of actual things to dislike about Obama, I'm still not a raving loony. If you honestly believe a single word you just said, you need to get more than your oil adjusted. You just managed to squeeze 8 falsehoods into 3 sentences.
GuitaristInProgress 8 months ago
@recyclecongress (continued from previous comment:) You should learn the meaning of the following terms and concepts before you use them: "New World Order", "commie", "majority", "Constitution", "usurper", "impeach", "unelected", "tyranny", "Czar", "collapse", "America". Because you got every one of them wrong.
Stop listening to liars like Monckton. Our real problems are bad enough without people inventing false ones to distract us from actually solving anything.
GuitaristInProgress 8 months ago
@GuitaristInProgress FYI, in my other commment I did not DEFINE every single word separately in their own sentences for you to have accused me of not knowing the meanings to. I know the meaning to every word I used, thank you. Those are my informed observations of what's going on in this nation- and there are many others that know the truth as well. And the Climate Treaty has NOTHING to do with "climate"- yet EVERYTHING to do with regulating every aspect of our lives.
recyclecongress 8 months ago
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GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Yep, hes basically took it upon himself to single-handedly misrepresent both climate science and international law. All based on one word in a document several hundred pages long and his own opinion.
Its refreshing to have someone else point this out for once, instead of endlessly replying to people who havent got any relevant training, havent even read the draft treaty (its linked by the OP) and yet decide they know better then you (and everyone else) anyway.
Monckton surely knew
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Ad hominem argument. Fail.
Also, you may have missed the part where I said I had read the treaty myself.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Oh, wait a second... irR4tiOn4L, I'm sorry, were these comments directed at me, or at Patriot177689, who asked who I was working for? If they were directed at him, sorry I came at you with claws out, I misunderstood.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
My comments, as far as i recall, were supposed to be aimed at Tyler, and perhaps anyone else who believes Monckton.
Apparently for Tyler the fact that im a lawyer and have read the treaty is not enough evidence that it does not constitute a new world government.
In any case, from his perspective i have to read it again (the latest draft), even though it was the last draft Monckton was talking about.
I completely agree with you here; but it looks like its falling on deaf ears
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
I think you must have mistook my comments as directed at you because the formatting hadnt properly kicked in yet, and shown them to be replies to Tyler.
No need for apologies, its a simple error. Unlike Monckton..
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
GuitaristinProgress, that's bullcrap, and if you took the time to look at some of Monkton's other video interviews he goes into it with much more detail about how laws can be passed domestically without Congress approval with the help of this idiotic scam of a treaty. He is generalizing in this video since it is his closing comments obviously.
Tyler13R 2 years ago
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GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Yes, they are. Your turn.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Is there gonna be a one world government by 2010?
7895225789 2 years ago
No.
Although existing bodies such as the UN, WTO and EU make important inroads into national affairs, there is no world government being established at Copenhagen and the US will not cede its sovereignty.
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
yes. there wil be a world government and america sovereignty wil gone if people don't wake up and stop this.
7895225789 2 years ago
So what's your point, that we shouldn't try and stop this? The more we let them get away with, the closer them become to getting everything they want from us!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Let me be absolutely clear.
To a certain extent it is true that our politicians do not do what we want (sometimes for good reason) - check out Switzerland's new constitutional amendment on minarets.
So i do support direct democracy, to an extent.
But in this case Copenhagen is not the threat Monckton is making out, and what he is warning about is just not true.
My point is that you should get the facts straight before trying to defend against a lie
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
"Defend against a lie" you say??? Even if Monkton was lying, what the hell is the bigger lie here...Monkton's or Gore's???
Well lets see, if Monkton is lying, then I guess nothing happens ha? If Gore is lying, which he certainly is, then we destroy our economy and our lives dramatically change for the worse with taxation up the ass!
So, I guess you're point is pretty damn trivial isn't it!
By the way, a little secret, Monkton isn't lying!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
As has been pointed out before, the science unequivocally supports Gore's position (although he is not a scientist), not Monckton's.
Lying or not, it is simply misguided to say anthropogenic climate change does not exist.
Check out skepticalscience com - seriously, its a good resource
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Anyone who has read the treat can see Monkton is lying. It's plain as day. But, believe what you will, I see no point in arguing against people who've already decided what they want to believe.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Thank u for respecting US enough to tell US the truth!
ericjaynelson 2 years ago
Mr Monckton is, with respect, an idiot, and has misread the treaty (btw the draft is provided in the video comments people)
Here are what the treaty says are its purposes:
"The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three
basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization
of which will include the following"
Nowhere in the rest of the treaty is a government mentioned
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
The 'government' being referred to is no 'world government' but a decision making body on the funds allocated to the treaty:
"The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on
adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds
and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will
operate as such, as appropriate"
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
In this sense the Copenhagen treaty cedes far less sovereignty than even the GATT or later WTO treaties, and Mr Monckton ought to know that.
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
You're arguing bullshit semantics! The important thing here is that an outside unelected body is trying to push precedence over our Constitution by making the American people pay a bullshit tax, or fee, or whatever bullshit euphemism you want to call it for a bullshit idea that people are causing global warming and Americans need to pay!
Whether it's a world government or just a idiotic UN grab, I couldn't care less, it's damn wrong and needs to be stopped so kiss my ass!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Actually no, as a lawyer im telling you that the guy is totally wrong, there is no 'unelected body' being given power over America, and hes also wrong that theres no such thing as Global Warming
Hes widely regarded as a moron, and thats certainly what you seem to be
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
irR4tiOn, if you're a lawyer, you're one dumbass of a lawyer! Any law student, let alone a lawyer with half a brain would know you don't make a statement without knowing all the evidence - Monckton never said there's no global warming, he said there's no man-made global warming dumbshit! If you took a minute to research him instead of thumping your hollow chest that you're a lawyer, and one dumbass of a lawyer at that, you might not put your foot in your mouth again
Now go chase an ambulance
Tyler13R 2 years ago
This is what you have just said -
He didnt say theres no 'global warming', he said humans didnt cause it.
You dont know anything about him therefore you are wrong.
Well, i happen to have done quite a bit of research about him before i posted. Hes a dishonest person who has no qualms with lying about why he sold his house in order to boost sales of his puzzle games - and likely has no qualms on this topic either.
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
The full term is 'Andropogenic Climate Change', commonly referred to as 'Global Warming'. It is your unfamiliarity with the subject that leads you to think everyone must constantly preface this with 'human climate change' - no such thing is necessary, as it is common accepted scientific fact that the world's climate changes.
It is also commonly accepted that andropogenic climate change is a fact - which both you and Mr Monckton conveniently ignore
The WAY you do it is what makes you fools
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
LOL, Oh, okay...Andropogenic! Wow, Im impressed now, you must know all about it! First of all fat head, what is commonly accepted does not make it true. It was commonly accepted that the world was flat at one time. Secondly, Monckton dose not dispute climate change nor that it may be in flux now. What he disputes is that man is causing it in any significant way. Thirdly, I couldnt care less if he's an axe murder, its his information that's the debate...like Gore has a clean history, lol!
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Actually, people have known the world is round for close to 2000 years. That they supposedly didnt is a myth propagated by arrogant people who wanted to change history and the way we saw a group of people (Medieval society) - thats what Mr Monckton is doing
There would be no complaint if Mr Monckton were simply in error. But Mr Monckton is in denial, has the wrong training and past to be passing comment on law or science, and to top it all off puts himself above much more reputable scientists
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Please don't lecture me with history, obviously people new the world was round for 2000 years, they've known the world was round for a hell of a lot longer then that, but a majority of people in a certain part of the world did believe the earth was flat because of propaganda, again, the details are trivial, you know the point I was making. Secondly, why has no so-called REPUTABLE pro-andropogenic scientist challenged Monckton as I know he would gladly accept the challenge.
Tyler13R 2 years ago
Why should they waste their time debating this guy? They don't owe him anything. Most of the serious guys are too busy working for political grandstand plays.
GuitaristInProgress 2 years ago
Andropogenic is not a new term nor is it something i made up. Its in common use and you should have known it. I dont use such jargon but you insisted when you made the 'he only disputes human climate change' semantic distinction
The problem is you are listening to the wrong source. I understand your concerns and to a certain extent right wingers like Monckton are right there are economic costs.
But the science is best left to scientists, and they are in consensus
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
As for commonly accepted truths - that is not what led to a finding of Andropogenic Climate Change. People didnt just start to 'believe it' like roughly 10% of Americans now believe we did not land on the moon.
Rather, most people reasonably considered that they should listen to the right people to give guidance on the topic, the very dedicated and thorough scientific community - who make choices not on popular opinion, but science.
Mr Monckton goes against them on opinion alone
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
irR4tiOn4L you couldn't be more full of crap! "Monckton goes against them on opinion alone"??? LOL Opinion ha? I can't believe how ignorant you are about this man! Watch just about any of his videos where he's interviewed and he goes as much into the detailed science as you wish him to go, unlike the hack Gore who dances all around the issues and won't debate him. There are over 30 thousand scientists and other experts who have signed a petition that andropogenic global warming is a hoax
Tyler13R 2 years ago
The 30 000 scientist signatures are a well known hoax. Only 2100 are even remotely trained in the field (the rest generally being from non science fields) and of those none are climate specialists.
The petition is an industry initiatite, designed to cloud the issue. It is not accepted and in fact refuted by IPCC, an international scientific investigation. It is not good science, its not even science at all
Noone needs to respond to it. Only Fox News, the worst of the worst, would report it
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Was Gore trained?
GrandTyphoon 2 years ago
Gore at least listened to the scientists, unlike Monckton who came to conclusions completely at odds to the professionals. He also had more legal training and did a pretty good job summarising the science. Check skepticalscience com if you want to see any error he made
Monckton just read a draft treaty that he didnt understand (or did it intentionally) and read science he didnt understand (or didnt want to understand) to support his preconcieved view - economic rationalist who stands to gain
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Who are you working for?
Patriot177689 2 years ago
And just to be clear, the final word doesnt rest what Gore or Monckton or the general public think - theres a science behind this with people extremely devoted to getting it right and its these scientists that a person like Gore and Monckton are supposed to represent.
If in doubt, always go to the professionals and scientists - science is in agreement global warming exists, lawyers are in agreement copenhagen will not form an international government.
That makes Monckton a crackpot
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
Not to mention wrong and out to make a buck immorally
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irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
As for yourself, you dont seem to have University education in either law or science, and judging by the insults you throw around, you dont have the training to hold a discussion
So quite why you think everyone else is wrong and only a select cadre like yourself has it 'right' is beyond me. Quite why you refuse to accept the words of those who DO have legal training, and DO study climatology, i dont know.
But as for Mr Monckton, we DO know. He is an economic rationalist and stands to gain
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
I want to refer you to skepticalscience com, which says:
Beneath the politics is a more elemental instinct - an aversion to alarmism. We've been burnt before. And I won't deny there are alarmists in the global warming camp. Urgent cries that the ice sheets are on the verge of sliding into the sea. Or emotional pleas to save those cute little polar bears. Sadly, alarmists seem to be the loudest voices in the global warming debate. But that doesn't change the science underneath.
irR4tiOn4L 2 years ago
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i believe in a one world government! every one in the 3rd world countries will be taken care of! I the people who don't believe in this is plain out selfish.
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jaeallthaway 2 years ago
Tea Parties are more effective than Mainstream Media want you to think. All but Fox are in the hip pocket of the Democrats.
Also, even small contributions to more conservative candidates - $5 or $10 - and send a copy of the receipt to the incumbent they are running against is a message they will notice.
Then, Calls, Letters and Emails to the jerks who are trying to push it through.
The Senate has to Ratify with more that 67%+ majority, for his signature to stand legal. Take heart and FIGHT!
DWARF202 2 years ago
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there aint nothing to do there aint no god either JUST SIT AND DIE AAAAAAAAAAAAH lmao
Gpiffsmoke 2 years ago
....Your an idiot man
jaeallthaway 2 years ago
your an idiot what the fuck are you going to do? sit on your computer and pray for god allah or buddah to come save your ass? no go make some fucking money and live as good as u can still u die ITS INEVITABLE NO POINT WAITING PUSS
Gpiffsmoke 2 years ago
Yeah your an idiot for assuming that's all I'm going 2 do, It's people like you that won't do nothing for your people not even fight just live the life THEY show you like there's nothing more 2 it,Go ahead live your life, And so what is there isn't a god? what do you have to lose? You base your facts on what YOU and people around you say obviously since you think a person like me which DOES believe in Christ is only going 2 sit around and do nothing about what happens to my people,your ignorant.
jaeallthaway 2 years ago
You know that all the Communists, Socialists, Liberal/Progressives, Religious Secular Humanists - all the enemies of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are going to say this man is "full of it."
That includes Politifact. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida, and I can tell you now, the ONLY reason I would buy that newspaper or anything written in it would be to put in the bottom of my Parrot Cages, or to Wrap Fish!
(imho) The RAG is no less Pravda West than is the New York Times!
DWARF202 2 years ago
Google: Politifact Lord Christopher Monckton
This is 100% USDA grade bunk!
Don' get duped!
BIGBOY2TON 2 years ago
The democracy of free nations is diminishing!
This proves that it is happening. And just look at the Lisbon Treaty and the EU!
deGothiaSweden 2 years ago
All the Western World is chanting ZPG, ZPG, while all the Islamists are making six and more babies per household. They will overtake by force of numbers alone, in less than twenty years.
A Replication rate of minimum 2.1 chidren per household is required simply to mainain the present population.
DWARF202 2 years ago
Wikipedia:
Associations
Monckton is a member of the Worshipful Company of Broderers, an Officer of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, a Knight of Honour and Devotion of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and a member of the Roman Catholic Mass Media Commission. He is also a qualified Day Skipper with the Royal Yachting Association, and has been a Trustee of the Hales Trophy for the Blue Riband of the Atlantic since 1986.[1]
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THINK, PEOPLE!
alternativeopinion 2 years ago
A lot of people are saying he has a conflict of interests for sure.
91177info 2 years ago
It doesn't matter, his associations - the point, notwithstanding, is the truth he speaks.
DWARF202 2 years ago
What truth? I can't find that treaty anywhere except linked from conspiracy websites. Not even wikileaks has it. This is scare mongering of the worst sort. Don't just believe it because this guy says it so dramatically. Don't be stupid. Confirm it. Look it up.
Alacritous 2 years ago
Don't be stupid, you say to me. Do you have a clue who Saul Alinsky was. He was Barack Obama's Teacher, and Hillary's, as well.
He taught, "lie outright to get to your goal, and demonize anyone who catches you in the lie."
Do you know who George Soros is? He is one of the top Marxist Globalists, He is President Obama's top sponsor, and he is ruthless without conscience, being a Jew who helped the Nazis plunder Jewish peoples financial holdings. I stupid, by your definition. You can go willing.
DWARF202 2 years ago
More fear.. On what do you base these opinions? on what someone else has told you? have you read the treaty? the actual treaty on a government website? not on some paranoid schizophrenics blog? Do not fear the ravings of madmen. Check up on it. Confirm it. Don't repeat the lies.
Alacritous 2 years ago
Ya right, if everyone read the bill Obama was promoting on health care for themselves they would think he was telling the truth when he said Illegals would not get health care under the bill, but it took people that could see through the BS to point out that there was no enforcement written in the bill so it was very misleading, now I'm going to trust the damn UN to know what's best for my country, even if Moncken is wrong which he's not, I'd trust him any day over the damn UN so kiss my ass!
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
That's because anyone who can afford it can buy insurance. There's no giveaway in the bill to anyone, let alone illegals. And by law emergency rooms must treat anyone that comes in. So there's no need to have a requirement to stop from giving anything to illegals because there's nothing being given away.
Alacritous 2 years ago
Thank you for exposing yourself as an Obamaoid as suspected, you passed the test, lol!
As for your explanation on exposing Moncken, it's retarded! I'm sure it makes sense to someone as out of touch as you are that there's a million conspiracy theories going on about this, but Moncken was chosen by the Republican Congress as their answer to Gore, so if there is anyone the Democrats would want to make look foolish it's Moncken. As it is Moncken is constantly avoided by Gore.
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
I'm not an Obamaoid, I'm not even American. I just can't stand by silent while watching this unbridled paranoia run its course. What I like is EVIDENCE. words here, words there, don't count for fuck all. Unless you can find something substantial to base your rantings on, then it all means nothing. Just repeating ad nauseum the talking points that are being passed around is not evidence. it just feeds on paranoia. Your paranoia. and you eat it up.
Alacritous 2 years ago
You couldn't ever find Bilderberg group meetings anywhere on mainstream media until lately either, and even now it's hardly mentioned, but they happened every damn year. If this is just scare mongering like you foolishly believe then why hasn't anyone of importance denied it? Certainly it would be a big browny point for the pro-global warming crowd to make an ass out of Lord Monckten since the hack Gore consistently refuses to debate him. You're connecting the wrong dots.
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
because it's crazy talk. if they took time to deny every crazy conspiracy theory out there they'd never get any work done. connecting what dots? The dots pointed out to you by crazy people? They're the only ones that see them.
Alacritous 2 years ago
LOL, ya, ya, name calling as usual without any substance "crazy conspiracy theory" "crazy talk" "crazy people" give me some substance! Prove it big boy, put your money where your mouth is! Lets say you're right for the sake of argument, LOL, what's the worse thing that could happen if everyone believed this video ha? What are you so afraid of? If this is false like you say then nothing will happen so piss off! On the other hand if it's correct as it is, everyone should be very concerned!
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
Since you're the one making the positive assertion here, the burden of proof falls upon you. This kind of talk has been around for years and years, and nothing ever happens. I remember reading about FEMA camps in the 90's first it was Clinton that was going to round everyone up, and then it was Bush going to round everyone up, and now it's Obama. Lots of conspiracies, and nothing ever happens. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. You live in a permanent state of fear for no reason.
Alacritous 2 years ago
"Nothing ever happens" what a laughably ridiculous statement! Obviously everything doesn't happen the way every conspiracy theory says it will, but you conveniently pick and choose the ones the fit your hypothesis with a little twisting here and there! Many of the things you're talking about where not projections for certain dates, only statement of events that rationally point to conclusions which very depending on who you talk to. By the way, there are many things that have come true!
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
for example?
Alacritous 2 years ago
Well first of all, you talk about all so called conspiracy people as being predictors when most are questioners and exposers, not theory people like the mainstream what you to believe. But okay, for example: 9/11 prediction. For example: laws past after 9/11 to take freedoms away. For example: Congress trying to pass amnesty for illegals. For example: Congress trying to pass so-called bail out bills. For example: US not getting out of Iraq when Obama took over.
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
Those aren't conspiracies. they actually had real things to base those opinions on. Not hearsay.
And as far as Iraq goes, There's a quarter of a million people there, if they did pull out all at once the entire local support infrastructure would collapse. I don't recall Obama ever saying that he'd pull out on day 1. it's something that has to be wound down. or it'll cause more problems then it solves.
Alacritous 2 years ago
Funny, I don't remember writing that Obama was suppose to pull the troops out all at once either. Where did I say all at once? He has not pulled them out at all overall, just did some shuffling is all.
Secondly, I don't have the time to be trying to figure out what you consider a conspiracy or not, the fact is people predicted this and the mainstream rejected it as garbage if they even addressed it at all?
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
Conspiracies are predictions made with no evidence or specious evidence to base them on.
Or to put it another way, taking a simple thing like the FEMA emergency camps for example, the need to house people displaced by natural disaster is a real one, but to then say that they're being made to house the political enemies of those in power is based on paranoia, not facts.
Alacritous 2 years ago
You know, I really don't want to be insulting, but your need to go back to school or take a long hard look in the dictionary for what "Conspiracy" means. It has absolutely nothing to do with predictions or evidence based on false evidence.
Conspiracies are just a group of people who conspire (agree together) to work together towards the same wrongful goal. There I just did your homework for you! See what a nice guy I am!
The fact is conspiracies happen all the time my friend!
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
I know that, but what we're talking about is conspiracy THEORIES. that would be when other people SEE groups of people conspiring toward a goal. whether or not they actually exist.
Alacritous 2 years ago
Okay, but you wrote "Conspiracies", not "Conspiracy theory's" I'm not a mind reader, but okay, I've never head of a "conspiracy theory" that was based on no evidence that was taken seriously. Like I said, you will always find nuts out there, however your definition as well as understanding of what so-called conspiracy theorists that are respected like Alex Jones and Jim Marrs for example is very distorted. You're taking the fringe wackos and generalizing them as all of them.
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
You know, you still haven't answered my most important question to you - what are you for? How do you think people should act? Do you think we should never question the government and just assume they are doing what is in our best interest? Are you saying conspiracies don't happen?
Most high profile so-called conspiracy theorists are not in the business of predictions, they are in the business of informing, and are the first ones to say, "don't believe me, do the research yourself."
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
Also, you say that people like Gore, or the pro-global warming establishment don't have the time to bother with every conspiracy theory out there. Well do you really believe that Lord Moncken who was recently chosen as the Congressional Republican party rep to take on Al Gore would be promoting a hoax? Do you know how foolish that would make the Republican party look if their chosen rep was promoting a hoax? You need to do a little research on Lord Moncken.
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
Debates mean nothing except for public consumption, do you think the person that is the best speaker is right? or just the best speaker. This is real life, not a high school debating club.
Alacritous 2 years ago
I don't understand you, you say we should question this video, and guess what, Moncken is the first to say do the research yourself, don't just believe me, and you would know that if you watched some of his interviews, however we shouldn't question the fact that Gore consistently refuses to debate Moncken? We shouldn't question the fact that the Congressional Democrats refused to allow Moncken to represent the Republicans after they chose him as their rep against the Dems choice (Gore)?
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
So gore says he's not going to waste his time debating this shill and that means he's wrong?
It just means he's doesn't want to waste his time debating a republican ringer. People keep saying look at the money. Well do so. Look at the money. The oil companies have a hell of a lot more to lose than a few research grants by the scientists. Do you think this guy is promoting this kind of stuff out of the goodness of his heart? he's getting paid quite a bit.
Alacritous 2 years ago
There is always going to be idiotic conspiracy theories and information, much of it with half-truths, that doesn't mean it's all garbage, and someone would be a total fool to think so!
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
The guy in this video says he's seen the treaty. If he has, and it's not classified, why doesn't he produce it? if it's classified, then why is he being allowed to run around all over the place telling everyone about it? Be skeptical. Don't buy into any crackpot theory that comes down the river without real evidence.
Alacritous 2 years ago
LOL, sorry, but I can't help but laugh since you certainly sound like the one more paranoid here! Are you suggesting that we should all just relax and not question what the hell our governments are doing? So what if they are doing something we don't want, we shouldn't be concerned? Just what are you promoting then? I've heard plenty of what you're against, what are you for?
Again, what harm does it do if people are wrong about this compared to if they are right?
FoxfireX1 2 years ago
He is absolutely correct concerning what he said about what has happened to Greenpeace-- I can't believe it myself and yet its true.. only I saw it errode into a puppet of other interests where the true environmental issues were suddenly dumped and then Greenpeace was a laughable shell of its former self.. like a watchdog with no teeth and then made into a mockery of its self, a parody.. a former icon of all what was good now selling its name to bad global propaganda rather than saving anything.
AlterEgoTrip 2 years ago
Monckton claims to be a Science expert, regardless that his paper-thin educational background lies in the Classics and his single academic credit is a diploma in journalism.
Despite his track record for apparently intentional inaccuracies, people continue to take him seriously. He has been caught out on several occasions indulging in deliberate manipulation of scientific data to understate the effects of climate science.
google Moncktons climate manipulation
hopit 2 years ago
Will do thanks.
91177info 2 years ago
... this disinformation brought to you by Exxon Mobile.
Google Lord Christopher Monckton / Exxon / Heartland Institute.
This guy isn't what he appears. He doesn't give a rats ass about NWO. He's sabotaging the upcoming COP15 climate change talks on behalf of Exxon Mobile.
Heartland helped Phillip Morris sell their cancer sticks by distorting the scientific link between cancer and tobacco for awhile, too.
fakepatriot 2 years ago 3
Thankyou, fakepatriot I am off to google it now I new this prat was dodgy and just out for a quick bank account refill.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
So Why is another Britt speaking up in the house of commons with the same thing
go here com/watch?v=w9Dy9yWrkSY
Godfrey Bloom
UkTruthSeeker2009 2 years ago
Thanks for that info
91177info 2 years ago
Does anyone reading this have any solutions to offer?
Do "comment fights" help?
Does petty bickering serve as a solution?
Orpheosmaximus 2 years ago
Moving so slowly and quietly so as not to spook the flocks.
Because should the sheeple ever become stampeded, they DO have the herd-power to tear down the flimsy fences which are holding them now...
nameofthepen 2 years ago 2
this is terrible if its true!
xtremer99 2 years ago
It's already BEEN signed.
KageTrauma 2 years ago
Really ?
91177info 2 years ago
Do you know when? There used to be a LEGAL process where foreign treaties had to be ratified by the Senate, but that went out the window when W single-handedly signed NAFTA and nobody in Congress said a word.
prussell66 2 years ago
Do I know when what? When it was signed? My guess is, during the Presidential Race...
KageTrauma 2 years ago
Ok, if this treaty supercedes the Constitution it should not be signed, just like NAFTA should not have been signed. I don't trust this guy though and here's why. 1) he's English, with a title of royalty, so he's part of a "club" that's not human friendly. 2) the podium says "Free Market Institute", which = Globalist, which = Nazi. It just makes me wonder what his real goals are? 91177 info is a pretty straight shooter though, so who knows?
prussell66 2 years ago
I put this up because I found it while searching another article.
To me it is like a back door trojan or should I said back door treaty.
While the world is focussing on the H1N1 they quietly slip this in.
True or not it is definitely in keeping of the NWO and a one world government.
91177info 2 years ago
Actually, what he is saying is not correct.
We are Armerica, no matter what that dirt bag sitting in the white house signs....
America own America, no other world government owns America Period...
When we came here we had a plan, and we will continue to own America...
Americans built this country and they are about to let some dirt bag sign it away...so he can sign it, but it's a worthless piece of paper by any other name.
behearsoon 2 years ago
Actually what he is saying is correct. Those world government puppets put in the W.H. have been signing away your America under false pretenses since JFK, the last American hero. And the sheeples go to work and come back home to their TV, NFL, coach, beer and potato chips as long as CNN, ABC, NBC......are owned by the elites who owned the W.H. and Capital Hill. Your sense of patriotism admirable but NOTWITHSTANDING.
Aliof 2 years ago
i have read the treaty it does refer to UN constitution. it is treaty which also overrides our constitutional laws. so this is very real. i rufuse to accept that treaty. i want to see them come out and enforce it. i just can't believe people are not rioting.
911feltner911 2 years ago
Tele is good at the moment :)
91177info 2 years ago
i am not advocating rioting. i am just surprised it hasn't come down to that. this is pretty serious stuff that i thought the american populous would not stand idly by and watch our country being sold out to the UN constitution. see years ago noone really knew why the un had a constitution it just didn't make any sense they have no country but its making sense now. see we wiil go by un cons. because they are the governing body.UN treaty.i have read this treaty its on google COP15 treaty
911feltner911 2 years ago
Neither am I.
People only protest/riot when they are forced to do something they don't want to do or they can't afford to make ends meet because of additional taxes.
91177info 2 years ago
people in this country better stand up for this country before there is no country to stand up for.i have calling my representatives daily. writing emails to senate everyday. for now thats all i can do. i would suggest to everyone in here to do the same
911feltner911 2 years ago
I with some help emailed all the MP's in the Houses of Parliament in regards to my concern with the dangerous, not properly tested H1N1 vaccine. Only two replied. One said they too were also concerned and had their suspicions and the other said I didn't have any merit as I was not a doctor.
I replied- So If I am ever aware of a crime taken place in the future I should never contact the police since I am not a criminal.
Egotistical sociopaths with no real compassion for humanity.
91177info 2 years ago
i have gotten some of the same response from the senate here in US. they are just not listening anymore. but for now its all we can do. you are right though they are sociopaths. its just sickens me to know that the leaders of this world just don't care. its a scary world we live in now.
911feltner911 2 years ago
behearsoon, I can't understand how you can call yourself a Christian and then refer to one of your fellow humans as a dirt bag. Nobody owns a country.
America was built on the blood of native Americans, my countrymen were a part of that and I am ashamed of what they did, you should be to. As a Christian you have a duty to love ALL your human family, if you don't you are not following the teachings of Christ.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
yes i love all people and I don't want to see any one hurt and i don't agree with violence,theft , slavery or any thing of that nature but i can not do any thing about the past only the future .
truthteller1967 2 years ago
Good for you truthteller1967, I hope you at least in some way understand that Obama is trying to stop all the fighting and war that is going on then and whatever political beliefs you have that has to be a good thing. I mean you don't want a president that is going all out to make the "end times" happen do you? Some of the people in positions of power in USA are trying to bring that about and to be honest I think they are insane, but thats just my opinion. I want a future and peace. xbb55
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
Okay ! First of all the president of this country must be born here to be a president. second of all, if God says something is to happen , rest assured it will no matter the intentions of any one , third Obama owns 500,000.00 in pharma stock and stands to benefit from the VAX being made mandatory ya know martial law . Wake up PLEASE !
truthteller1967 2 years ago
truthteller1967 sorry I can't be bothered to speak to you anymore you are a "birther" lol get some help quick. Oh and how do you know what God says, do you believe everything you read in the papers to? Are you hearing voices? It's not God it's mental illness hope you have insurance to cover that.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
I am sorry they got to you with there mined control, damb that HAARP lol, have a nice day : 0
truthteller1967 2 years ago
truthteller1967, I think you mean MIND and DAMN. Haarp is something that belongs to USA and as I don't watch TV or read newspapers or consume any fluoride, Aspartame, coca cola and haven't even been in a Macdonalds for 20 years and spend most of my time studying and researching I can assure you there is nothing wrong with my mind. NO ONE controls me I make my own mind up about everything. Peace .
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
Obama is bringing anything but peace to this country. we have never in our countries history has as much government control of the citizens as we do right now. That is why you are seeing such a huge split in this country. The far left is destroying the foundation of our country and it makes me sick..
galaxydreams 2 years ago
You better read Article Six of the United States Constitution.
bigbadboriqua 2 years ago
U.N. and the Jesuits will crush America! World Gov. is for Luciferians (Satan) get to know Yeshua!
mattandpatti222 2 years ago 2
AMEN!
behearsoon 2 years ago
I love Michael Savage. You (belta) hate America.
Go live in China.
dynobreath 2 years ago
I don't hate anyone dynobreath and am very happy living in the UK thanks.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
This guy is a legend, people just don't know it
Miskatakeable 2 years ago
I'm sorry, America a beacon of freedom to the world? Thats laughable, America is trying to rule the world and at the moment resembles a crumbling Roman empire. Because of the actions of America especially under Bush, China is heading for being the next superpower. America is addicted to oil and war and arms profits and it's way of spreading"freedom" is to bomb and maim and kill. Monckton is a sham he hasn't got a seat in the house of Lords he inherited his title from his father. Didn't earn it.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
All the more to reson listen to him , he dose not have a title given to him by a mans knowlage but rather love from his Father ! " Monckton is a sham he hasn't got a seat in the house of Lords he inherited his title from his father. Didn't earn it."
truthteller1967 2 years ago
truthteller1967, his inherited title has nothing to do with love and everything to do with an outdated class system. When there was a seat available in the house of Lords he got zero votes....that says something.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
That's the thing, we need to listen to our for fathers , for they were given wisdom from God and it is not listening to them that has led us to this dreadful place.
truthteller1967 2 years ago
truthteller1967, if you believe in God you have to believe he gave us free will, therefore the good or evil men do is entirely their own responsibility, not Gods or the devils.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Dr. Ron Paul understands !
truthteller1967 2 years ago
I think he is referring to the PEOPLE, not the gov. Once again, no one ever separates the people from the actions of the government. America IS the only country, compared to Europe, is willing to stand up for old ideas and stand up for their rights. China being the superpower won't matter truly b/c the U.N. favors the U.S. As for spreading "freedom" - name 1 superpower whose hands aren't bloody. The U.S.' power is transferred from the British Empire. Rome never died. Just changes hands.
HammandClov 2 years ago
A treaty can not be signed without the consent of the majority of the congress ! So be not troubled.
truthteller1967 2 years ago
HammandClov, haven't you noticed? The old ideas you say America is standing up for don't work. I find it very interesting that you say the UN favours the US, why is it called the United Nations then? I can't name a superpower without blood on it's hands and that is a damn good reason for the age of superpowers to end.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
Why do you think the U.N. NEVER questions the U.S. actions and if it does, never take the action it does against smaller nations? The U.N. was a U.S.-led creation and the elites of the U.S., their goals are to create a global society that their power never ends. Obama is helping the transition. A global society under one government is what you want? Note that a single government has no higher authority to question it. A global power monopolizes all - you want that? I don't.
HammandClov 2 years ago
It is true America has let their morals go to their heads and allowed the spirit of pried take over but they can turn from there sin and be forgiven and be that beacon of light once again by listening to God their first love !
truthteller1967 2 years ago
truthteller1967, if you want to live up to your name you should admit that America's first love is MONEY.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
I am an American and it is not money I love but JESUS !
truthteller1967 2 years ago
So, truthteller I take it that because you love Jesus you love ALL your fellow humans regardless of race colour or religion?
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
Wrong, China is only going to be a pawn to the AntiChrist One World Government.
bigbadboriqua 2 years ago
bigbadboriqua, if you believe in God and the antichrist don't you think the first mission of the antichrist would be to divide us and spread hatred between nations and races? and that anyone hating because of race colour or religion is playing his game NOT Gods? I don't recall Jesus preaching anything but love and understanding, so in reality anyone hating because of race colour or religion can't call themselves a Christian. Christianity is not meant to be a form of insurance against hell.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago
Actually first mission of the Antichrist will be to deceive us all and have us accept him full. fact is we are living in the end times as described in the Bible. I suggest you get right with Yah'shua right away.
bigbadboriqua 2 years ago
Actually bigbadboriqua, please don't talk to me about "the end times" as far as I'm concerned thats a load of guff that was written by some guy in a cave on magic mushrooms. It actually worries me that there are people in your senate that believe in that and are looking forward to it and are in positions of power so could try to make it happen and meanwhile are making loads of money from arms sales. They are pushing for a war to end all wars on the plain of armageddon. Corrupt and insane idiots.
beltanebabe55 2 years ago