Apex 2012 - Brawl Singles: Otori (Meta Knight) vs. Nietono (Olimar) GF

[LordEx64]

why does nietono always discard his red pikmin?

[Fettfeind]

@LordEx64 reds are not good in this match-up

[frugs1]

なんかいきなり日本語に変わったwwww

[Fettfeind]

9:46 gaytripping is gay-.-

[pulvirizer]

this game hasn't changed.

[20114D]

is there an advantage to whistling over air dodging?

[TheFreshBattery]

@20114D Less lag

[20114D]

@TheFreshBattery But aren't there fewer frames of super armor on the whistle than invincibility frames on dodging? So that you have to time the whistle much more precisely than a dodge?

[TheFreshBattery]

@20114D Yes, you have to be more precise. But after you airdodge there is a time where you're able to get hit, but can't move. With whistle there is much less of those frames.

[20114D]

@TheFreshBattery ok thanks

[EaonKnight]

@20114D yes

[rigoxxyz]

@LtSykes well just try googleing. thats how i found out about the one i go to. i went today they have it every year its called carolina games summit

[LtSykes]

Oh and BTW I understand the metagame a lot better than anyone I know in person. I've been playing Brawl constantly since the game came out, and I have yet to lose to anyone when I play as Wolf. In fact I often shut most people out.

[imag1291]

@LtSykes LOLOLOLOOLOOLOL

[ImKiij]

@LtSykes Oh my...

[GarySSBM]

@LtSykes 1. You can go to Smashboards to find tournaments near your area.

2. Don't be surprised when you're not nearly as good as you think you are.

3. Melee is way better.

[LtSykes]

@GarySSBM Allright thanks. I know I probably sound like a cocky noob, but I do in fact DI better than anyone I know, and my timing is near perfect. I probably won't win a huge tournament such as this, but I know for a fact that I can do pretty well. And as for the Brawl/Melee thing I think that's a bit irrelevant since I was talking about Brawl. They're two completely different metagames.

[LtSykes]

Does anyone know how one gets involved in these tournaments? Because I've only seen two people online who I know can beat me. They're M2K and Izaw91. I really think I'm good enough to win some of these things. Any info on these events would be much appreciated, thanks.

[20114D]

@LtSykes yeah, smashboards(dot)com

[basvhout]

when is olimar going up in the tierlist? -_- especially since we wont see MK no more.

No weak parts other the roll + recovery.

[PrinceShion]

@basvhout olimar's roll is weak? lmao tell that to Dabuz.

~Azeal

[ginamudkipz]

I prefer seeing a fight between ice climber and pikachu, kirby against peach , link against samus (this one is crazy =) ) snake versus olimar than to see meta knight in any match-ups , boring, unskilled and one sided...

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz dude...your retarded, an ic vs pikachu in apex grand finals will never happen in brawl, kirby and peach will probably wont even go that far in brackets, a link probably cant even make it into brax and a link vs samus being crazy? ITS JUST PROJECTILES VS PROJECTILES, ZAIR VS ZAIR.. snake vs olimar is also camp vs camp....moron

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow funny thing is that all those match-ups are top tiers characters and what i've learned from melee is that even young link can win a final so why couldn't it be a mario? because meta knight is knocking down those low tiers so stupidly it's not even fun plus all the characters i named is good and yet can make it to the finals L2P

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz those characters cant make it, and a young link did not win finals, armanda is A PEACH not a young link, he did it because of the jigs MU, also diddy, snake, marth, falco, can rape all of those characters. link can be gimped too easily, samus doesnt live for long, kirby air game has gone down, peach is just gimpable also, you have no proof that those characters can beat ally m2k, nario, adhd, ANTI, Gnes, and all of the pros.

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow you sure look at brawl forums and yet i know armada is a peach but even so , they a viable to play if you want i'd like to share friend code with you i need a challenger i am going to win the next apex and beat the crap of all so called japanese pro my only fear is m2k ( i hate this guy, melee old player) if not fine do as you please i'll show you whats meta game

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz Wow, exactly how old are you?? "i am going to win the next apex" I bet you've never even been to a tournament in your life. Back off the pros, kid. You'd get easily 3 stocks by anybody who's ever even played competitively. Really, you sound more stupid than a 5 year old. Also, Link is one of the worst in the game and Samus is down there too. Face it, you know NOTHING about this game. Also, Otori is not the best at all. Nietono usually beats him. You're arguing yourself here. Retard.

[ginamudkipz]

@PichuIsMyFavorite Ooooh angry because you worth nothing? how cute! I hope you know that having no challenges in life leads you to be the most weak human being I gave myself the challenge to beat 'em and I will .

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz LMAO, this comment made me really laugh, no kidding. But really, you don't even sound like you know what you're talking about. Did I even say ANYTHING about challenges? Or myself, for that matter? You can think you're going to win, but we all know you're not, because you're arrogant and don't know a thing aout the game :D

[ginamudkipz]

@PichuIsMyFavorite I'm happy to make you laugh but you still have no point so all you're saying right now has lost all my interests good day sir

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz It's hilarious because it's like you're talking to yourself. I would love to Brawl you too, but I probably can't until Saturday :D It would be a breeze anyway.

[ginamudkipz]

@PichuIsMyFavorite you can try , but i doubt you barely know how to play

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz Says the guy who thinks Samus and Link are high tiers.

[jfp521]

@ginamudkipz from reading your comments it’s very easy to tell that your someone who is new to the competitive community or just relatively new to smash in general. Very little understanding of the competitive meta game and thinking that they can become the best in a short time. You go with the noob way of thinking saying things like “metaknight takes no skill” “he only won because he was metaknight”. it really shows your lack of understanding of this game

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz your gona kicks japan ass? and yet u said samus vs link is intense, btw mk is banned if you havent noticed moron so most japan players arent going, i will give u my fc,but 1st we got to learn what stage we going on first round, i strike yi and ps1, you strike 2 stages, also we have to choose the same char, i am going snake.

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow sweet ! let me see what you got =D but why having the same character? =O i ban the parasite queen stage (forgot the godamn name of the stage) and i'd like to get some more practice in battlefield hope you won't decline i want to improved by having strong challengers

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz parasite queen stage? sorry have no idea what ur talking about, strike 2 of these choices, fd, sv, or bf. the one that isnt strike is the stage we play on. SV= smash ville

FD=final destinaion BF=Battle field.

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow mmmk i don't know about rules a lot on my side i have to admit but i know how to play so let's rock i'll play against you the day after tomorrow so be there i'll give mine by private message tomorrow

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz i can only play on Fridays Saturdays and Sundays

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow got it

[ginamudkipz]

no metagame = no skills nietono went for all he could went for all sort of gameplay but mk just won because the character is simply good not the player everyone can agree that unlike the other smash's that has their own top tiers this one has a god tier which is meta knight kinda odd when you think that it's the only character that is always in final but my final point , it was the most boring final i ever saw .... a lot less impressive than various match-ups

[IMAK3N0V1DS]

@ginamudkipz Lol, you're pathetically butthurt over Nietono's loss, obviously. Otori is an amazing MK, deal with it and stop writing laughable paragraphs about how cheap he is, fag.

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz "no metagame" so this mk beat nario, DEHF, ESAM, Ally. Obveiously better then majority of the pros the game when you said he was noobish

[ginamudkipz]

so show me what exactly is making otori better than nietono or majority of the pro's ok? show me how he planned his strategy if you can't, you'll have to agree that hue know the game but he's not a pro after all M2k is the only meta knight i saw that knew what he was doing otori showed nothing of that.. no reading... no impressive playstyle , he won the final and it was boring then i peeked at melee singles and couldn't say anything but wow this is how a game should be played

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz WOW! Are you retarded? Obviously we can't show you how he planned his strategy considering 1. He's Japanese and 2. He lives in Japan. M2K is no where NEAR the best. Otori played very well this tournament. He took out some of North America's best players. He showed EVERYTHING. He was able to make hard reads that gave him stocks, he was able to do really well also. M2K is the one who shows nothing. Lmao. You are obviously younger than 13. You don't even know how to play the game.

[ginamudkipz]

@PichuIsMyFavorite otori is the best is not an argument

[PichuIsMyFavorite]

@ginamudkipz If you really think Otori was making no reads, and didn't have an impressive playstyle, than you obviously have never played smash because he was one of the best players at Apex 2012. I will agree Nietono is better but you can't say Meta Knight takes no skill. People are joking when they say that. Meta Knight isn't easy to play with. Otori outplayed all the pros at Apex, including Nietono because he was motivated and wanted to win. So he did. Quit trolling, kid.

[ginamudkipz]

@PichuIsMyFavorite otori is better is not an argument

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz wow your fucking retarded, HE AND KAKERA TOOK DOWN EVERY DUBZ TEAM IN AMERICA, AND.. ORTORI TOOK DOWN A GUY WHO BEAT ADHD, ESAM, NARIO, ALLY and majority of the pros,his strategy is learn the playstyle, learn how the opponet uses the character, the playstyle, and then learns there weaknesses and how to defend from getting punished, and no reading? the fuck? your probably get 3 stocked by him and he can read u like a book.

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow otori is the best is not an argument

[ginamudkipz]

@1570shadow otori is the best is not an argument

[RADSK891]

Great players

[commanderkool]

cool dude, maybe that kid can buy some shoes now l0l

[marioxwarrior]

@commanderkool Disrespectful, bro.

Respect their culture... (Look it up if you don't know what I'm referring too)

[commanderkool]

@marioxwarrior thought the remove shoe thing is just in houses, and looks like he does have shoes, so my mistake. he can spend the money on something else, if he wants...

[GlacierRyu]

lol gunblade getting interupted all the time XD

[MatticusJT]

@ginamudkipz You're a fucking idiot

[ginamudkipz]

and even after all this fight a newbie metaknight which doesn't even know what is a meta game won the grand final... even tho olimar just tryed to super armor all game long and couldn't make it worth .... i really hate when players call themselves ''pro's'' when they can't even play well.... not a meta knight hater more so that i dont think THIS meta knight knew what he was doing .... he spamed all game long anyhow it doesnt bring him any mistakes.... godamn top tiers followers...

[Iotoa]

@ginamudkipz You're an idiot. Otori is an amazing defensive MK from japan and took out several top players like ESAM. He's not a noob he's a top MK probably top 10 in the world.

[MTKL17]

@ginamudkipz that mk is better than m2k, ally, nairo... lol

[1570shadow]

@ginamudkipz i would like you to beat apex 2012, and beat m2k, nario, anti, ally, and adhd.

[LordoKarnage]

@ginamudkipz More like YOU don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

[ginamudkipz]

@LordoKarnage and you have a nice argument son may i tell you the same thing so the discussion won't go further? XD People forget often that they look childish when they reply!

[sneakytako99]

Rain is a sick commentator.

[CoNgL3]

The last 2 commentators were terrible.

[ScizorTheOverlord]

People hating because there isnt this ''American'' sort of hype. its not like you immidiatly need to start about Melee geez -_-

I gotta say though I was more excited for the doubles GF simply because Nietono and Otori have played against each other several times already. Usually it was Otori who was in Losers

[SLEAP2100]

Idiot

[SLEAP2100]

To whoever said this was boring and go look at melée grand finals I did the shit was fuckn an hour long of repitition boring as fuck

[RajamQED]

lol vVv ZeRo at the end xD

[NCDUUUUUUB]

So much better then Prog/Perce commentary. Can we fly Rain over for every national?

[manofgames4555]

I can see a new beginning for smash bros brawl players. Otori and Nietono both fought with great skill!

[Kaffei4Lunch]

I wish I knew what Rain was saying in the commentary

[4ats]

JPN > USA >>>EU

[likeachink]

Set starts at 5:10

[kakashi3271]

26:18 "I have brought shame to my family" lol

But anyways good job to both of you and good set.

[Noge94]

An olimar player placed 2nd best of the world over every american player o.O, he could perfectly win the whole tournament being a bit more lucky at the first set, amazing.

I will improve my olimar to use it as a metaknight counter in tribute to him :D.

[RavagingTerror]

Nietonoooooo

[LuigiMolaSaco]

was not very exciting, is not up to such a tournament..

[rikzz0r]

@LuigiMolaSaco Brawl is never exciting :/..

[kakashi3271]

@rikzz0r Oh really?? Then go watch melee grand finals instead. Lets see how exicting you find that.

[lbblur]

@kakashi3271 still beats watching brawl

[rikzz0r]

@kakashi3271 it's ten times more fun to watch AND play then Brawl, and everyone knows that but some pricks like you refuse to acknowledge. :]

[Kaffei4Lunch]

@rikzz0r I think you're just being overzealous towards Melee. I think Melee is more fun too but don't push your opinions so harshly.

[rikzz0r]

@Kaffei4Lunch I know and I'm sorry for that, I shouldn't be trolling on a Brawl vid. I just thought I'd give it another shot and watch this Grand Final, but I find this seriously boring to watch. When I saw someone saying 'not that exciting' I was like 'NO SHIT SHERLOCK'!

[D3UberD3]

@rikzz0r and you found the apex 2012 melee GF fun to watch?

...

[rikzz0r]

@D3UberD3 it was very entertaining, yes. Armada is a genius for playing a character only in matches against Puffs. I know what you're trying to say but it was far more interesting then this, even in a camp-happy matchup.

[1570shadow]

@rikzz0r more interesting? god it made melee look like a joke, it took a good maybe 5 or even 6 minutes per match, it was pathetic....

[rikzz0r]

@1570shadow it was an extreme match-up, yes. Still very enjoyable, very high level spacing because the game is still ten times as fast as Brawl. I see your point but mine still stand too. =)

[Kisarez]

Sick set. These players approach extremely clever. Not so much hype though coming through the audio :p.

[Kendalltriche1]

R.I.P MK

[ToarTheDinosawr]

@Kendalltriche1 HE'S BACK.

[LASHAWN387]

tatsumaki :D

[jacky6128]

rain commentating <33333333