The only thing that annoys me is that the new film has technolocy thats more advanced than Voyager, or anything seen in Nemesis. I just dont get it. Why didnt they set it like 200 years after VOY and go batshit crazy. I mean it would be believable!! the weapons look amazing, the ship looks awesome, why mess with established canon then say "alternate timeline". the audience eats it up like a turd sandwich. sucks man. the film on its own is great, but its just gonna be transformers on a spaceship
While I don't necessarily agree that it's a good movie, I do agree that it looked too advanced for its time, and really, all they had to do was add a satellite dish on the Enterprise and not make the rooms so white (and no lens flares). I would have to put it somewhere within the league of 3, 5, Generations in terms of quality.
The new film was very much like Transformers and Revenge of the Fallen. No point to make, the film was rushed, and dump as much pointless action and exhibition as you can possibly fit, and its a smash hit. I guess the fans are pretty easy to please. Though I keep reminding my self that this is the same Country that elected Bush twice, and now we got Obama. The Matrix had more class then this.
@Christtnot You are correct. I watched this film on DVD and followed by watching Star Trek: The Motion Picture. A modern audience could never sit though TMP. In the spirit of Trek, TMP addressed philosophical concepts about who are as human beings. The new film was just nostalgic bubble gum that cannot stand on anything beyond our knowledge of the characters.
@caisediab Excellent observation.A modern audience would never sit through the tedium of the first film...but then again,a modern audience isn't able to sit through a four-minute cartoon either.Cell-phone's going off constantly,people constantly making calls, texting and countless other forms of total crap that these uber-annoying people do re-defines them from being a "modern audience" in the classic sense and just reduces them to being little more than a band of self-obsessed, mental patients.
i watched the first trek on a black and white tv,Gene is laughing his butt off because all us old schools just got knocked out of our easy chairs again.
hello i ate a cheese sandwich in front of a black and white tv and watched a new exciting show star trek and when tng came along i was as die hard as anybody [i turned it off] years later i was ready and turned it back on.i realized i had been very stupid.all startrek has 2 points.
1 BLOW YOUR MIND WITH NEW AND DIFFERENT.
2 OPEN YOUR HEART.
thanks to the new movie my daughter is slipping into trekkie land,YEA!!!
Oh for crying out loud. You cannot see the theme with Kirk feeling his age and what he has missed on in life with his son? Kirk dealing with his own morality is a very big part of that movie. Culminating with the death of his best friend.
Or that I thought the film lacked a dramatic theme like Wrath Of Khan (aging) or Undiscovered Country. (Living in a world where your enemies are suddenly your allies). Judging by this video posting, I am not alone in my criticism.
The theme you came up with for Wrath of Khan was "aging"? The pitfalls of revenge was the obvious theme and much more dramatic than aging. Try harder next time.
The story of Wrath of Khan may be a revenge plot on the surface, but even more so it is very MUCH about how we deal with our own mortality, aging, etc. Try looking deeper than just the surface. Watch some interviews with the creators, listen to the DVD commentary. You've obviously missed the whole subtext of the film if you honestly think that aging wasn't a MAJOR theme of it. Pretty obvious theme, actually...
the story. Which I just found silly. I mean Spock uses something (we never find out what it is) called red matter and ends up being sucked back in time to the time of the original series. Bad writing
Well than you must have had a problem with a lot of other ST films and episodes. The writing in the new film was no worse than a lot of previous Trek writing.
In my eyes it was much worse. Not the dialogue or the character writing (although the writing for Scotty was atrocious - still have sandwiches in the future?) But the story. The story to this movie just had me going $150 million and that was the best they could come up with. Not the worst movie ever made or anything, but a damn letdown!
Wow, you're mad they still have sandwhiches in the future? Yes, it's impossible that people would still eat sandwhiches in the future. Get a fucking life.
Oh wake up from the delusion. I didn't like the dialogue. Sorry I suppose I should have just switched my mind off and realized 'hey this is Trek - accept anything'. But I have an opinion. You like it fine. But don't expect people just to eat stuff that tastes like shite!
Take your own advice. I've seen people give real arguments for why they don't like the movie and I had no problem with that. It's people like you [sandwhiches in the future] that need to get a life and judge a movie based on reality. Not your bullshit reasons that don't make any sense.
Totally valid points. Like I said, for all of it's flaws, I enjoyed it and if they do actually treat it as a clean slate, I'll be interested in what comes from this. (Meaning: don't touch Khan! As open minded as I am to this, that is something I don't want to see.) I think the movie had plenty of heart. and if ( granted, a big if)they are smart ,could do something very cool. My biggest criticism is the movie format itself. Trek thrives on episodic TV when done well. That's where it belongs, IMO.
They didn't re-write history. LIke they said in the movie, an alternative reality was created. And the new movie didn't compromise any of Roddenberry's vision. The film was about friendship, loyalty, teamwork and sacrifice. All of those are the core values of Star Trek.
Maybe you didn't watch a lot of TOS and TNG but war wasn't something eliminated in those tv shows. The history Rodenberry created in the ST universe includes wars with the Romulans, Klingons, etc, etc.
actually i've watched every series, most of the wars were more of a cold war, it wasn't full on fights all the time, more we know what you can do and you know what we can do.
DS9 was the only one to have a full scale war.
the original concept was more a wagon train to the stars.
That's not what I said. In TOS and TNG the characters occasionally talked about wars the Federation had fought in the past. And in past Star Trek movies there was just as much violence as this new one. Seems like you think two ships firing at each other is some kind of new thing for Star Trek.
Exactly. I don't get why so many people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around that. I mean, long time Star Trek fans, of ANYONE, should get that INSTANTLY! Established continuity remains blissfully intact. The new movies exist in a separate, parallel timeline. No history was re-written. People need to go back and watch "Mirror, Mirror" or "Parallels" again then maybe they'll get the idea.
@Zaranyzerak Some history and some characters were rewritten, as were some technologies and other glaring continuity glitches. Spock and Kirk are roughly the same age, Spock would never date a human woman, and wth is transwarp beaming? Something like that was impossible in TNG, how can it be possible in the Abrams Abomination? Stardates are the year now? Black holes are literally two dimensional holes like something Wile E. Coyote would've used? And supernovae destroy galaxies?! Pheh. Pass.
@tgbotg 1st, ALTERNATE TIMELINE, so of course history is different. That's kinda the point. 2nd, 40+ years of history for the franchise, and attempts to work in every little bit of scientific theory that happens to be in vogue at the time means that theories will change over time. Do you expect them to still conform to the same scientific theories from the 60's? That would be laughable. You should read up on quantum theory, because THAT'S what the alternate universe concept is based around.
@tgbotg And why, exactly, would Spock not date a human woman? His father certainly didn't have any problems with that. Again, ALTERNATE TIMELINE where, as you pointed out, history is altered. In this universe, Spock dated Uhura. Good for him. Abrams did an outstanding job reviving what was practically a dead franchise, not to mention bringing droves of NEW fans to it. I'm an old school Trekkie from way back, and I have no issues with it. I think it was a brilliant revival of the franchise.
@Zaranyzerak Sarek had no issues, but Sarek had less to prove. Try watching the TOS epi "This Side of Paradise." It's a character trait that Nero's incursion would NOT have changed. I have a degree in physics. I get the alternate reality. I'm okay with that. But we must consider everything Nero's incursion would have changed, and it doesn't explain all the changes we see. I'm thankful there are new Trek fans, but Abrams could've done a better job for the existing fanbase.
@tgbotg Well, to sidetrack a bit - how many Star Trek movies DO explain everything perfectly with no plot holes whatsoever? ;) Oh well, can't please everyone. You've got 10 movies, 4 TV series', a cartoon, and countless comic books and novels to draw upon for your original continuity fix. I had no issues with the new movie, and I say that as a HUGE fan of the original Trek in its many forms. I'm just happy to see new adventures with the old characters, alternate or otherwise.
@tgbotg Oh, and as much as a lot of Trekkies like to THINK Trek is hard SF, it's far from it. Ben Bova it ain't. While yes, they do play around with current theories, it's still "movie science" a lot of the time. So yes, black holes can be gateways to alternate universes, time travel is possible, ditto faster than light travel, etc. It's more "proper" SF than say, Star Wars, but it's still fantasy land.
@Zaranyzerak There are lots of other youtubers who have posted their opinions of the film. I think one of the better ones is by TheWackoReviews. And this set isn't too bad, either.
@tgbotg I did a pretty extensive one as well, a 3-part collaborative review with a longtime friend of mine. My perspective was that of a longtime fan, hers was as a new fan brought to Original Crew Trek because of the new movie.
@Zaranyzerak Yeah, I saw it 3 weeks ago. Why don't you have a discussion with someone who disagrees with you? One who can make intelligent arguments, of course, since I do agree there are those who are retarded in both camps.
@tgbotg - The existing fanbase ranks it highly. Maybe you shouldn't speak for everyone, and should just say "He could have a done a better job for me."
@tgbotg - "Spock would never date a human woman, " It was always assumed that they were. Even on StarTrek.com they put their birthdates as close together (not canon, but this isn't a new thing either.)
"and wth is transwarp beaming?"
How did you not understand that from the film? It's not even important.
"Stardates are the year now?"
Instead of made up and flawed writers formulas? Yes. Thank you very much.
@Zenutheduck Transwarp beaming. They took two terms in canon and meshed them together because they thought it sounded cool. Transwarp is moving faster than Warp 10 using the TNG era warp factor formula. How does this relate to beaming? Plus, rewatch BoBW Part 2 to see just how difficult it is to transport at warp velocities. This ability was nearly impossible unless both objects were traveling the same exact warp factor for 24th Century science and Nero's incursion could NOT have changed that.
Cool video, but I think it remains to be seen if anything has been lost or not just yet. The set up has been achieved..What they do with it now that they have a clean slate to work is the question. XI was a fun and flawed movie, it achieved it's goals. It was no more flawed than virtually anything in the Trek franchise.Thank you for posting though as I enjoyed this very much! LLaP!
The new movie to me just came across as being some fan fiction. As if they just thought when writing this movie "wouldn't it be cool if we saw the kobashi maru test, see how kirk and spock became friends and how kirk became captain?" Hearing about what they want to do for the sequel like "let's bring back khan" just seems like more fan fic. It was lacking in the heart and depth of the things that make us human that I've come to expect from star trek.
we already knew how the test went, also that spock had had already left the academy before kirk even got there, some how that all changed just cos kirks father died.
i only say that because asides from that attack according to the story no other attackes were made until older spock appeared.
The only thing that annoys me is that the new film has technolocy thats more advanced than Voyager, or anything seen in Nemesis. I just dont get it. Why didnt they set it like 200 years after VOY and go batshit crazy. I mean it would be believable!! the weapons look amazing, the ship looks awesome, why mess with established canon then say "alternate timeline". the audience eats it up like a turd sandwich. sucks man. the film on its own is great, but its just gonna be transformers on a spaceship
reallycoolman2003 8 months ago
@reallycoolman2003
While I don't necessarily agree that it's a good movie, I do agree that it looked too advanced for its time, and really, all they had to do was add a satellite dish on the Enterprise and not make the rooms so white (and no lens flares). I would have to put it somewhere within the league of 3, 5, Generations in terms of quality.
dragonknightleader1 2 months ago
The new film was very much like Transformers and Revenge of the Fallen. No point to make, the film was rushed, and dump as much pointless action and exhibition as you can possibly fit, and its a smash hit. I guess the fans are pretty easy to please. Though I keep reminding my self that this is the same Country that elected Bush twice, and now we got Obama. The Matrix had more class then this.
Christtnot 1 year ago 3
@Christtnot You are correct. I watched this film on DVD and followed by watching Star Trek: The Motion Picture. A modern audience could never sit though TMP. In the spirit of Trek, TMP addressed philosophical concepts about who are as human beings. The new film was just nostalgic bubble gum that cannot stand on anything beyond our knowledge of the characters.
caisediab 1 year ago 2
@caisediab Excellent observation.A modern audience would never sit through the tedium of the first film...but then again,a modern audience isn't able to sit through a four-minute cartoon either.Cell-phone's going off constantly,people constantly making calls, texting and countless other forms of total crap that these uber-annoying people do re-defines them from being a "modern audience" in the classic sense and just reduces them to being little more than a band of self-obsessed, mental patients.
MrSchultzstaffel 2 months ago
i watched the first trek on a black and white tv,Gene is laughing his butt off because all us old schools just got knocked out of our easy chairs again.
cody481 2 years ago
hello i ate a cheese sandwich in front of a black and white tv and watched a new exciting show star trek and when tng came along i was as die hard as anybody [i turned it off] years later i was ready and turned it back on.i realized i had been very stupid.all startrek has 2 points.
1 BLOW YOUR MIND WITH NEW AND DIFFERENT.
2 OPEN YOUR HEART.
thanks to the new movie my daughter is slipping into trekkie land,YEA!!!
exploding the planet vulcan really blew me away.
cody481 2 years ago
Oh for crying out loud. You cannot see the theme with Kirk feeling his age and what he has missed on in life with his son? Kirk dealing with his own morality is a very big part of that movie. Culminating with the death of his best friend.
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Or that I thought the film lacked a dramatic theme like Wrath Of Khan (aging) or Undiscovered Country. (Living in a world where your enemies are suddenly your allies). Judging by this video posting, I am not alone in my criticism.
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
The theme you came up with for Wrath of Khan was "aging"? The pitfalls of revenge was the obvious theme and much more dramatic than aging. Try harder next time.
olivemike81 2 years ago
The story of Wrath of Khan may be a revenge plot on the surface, but even more so it is very MUCH about how we deal with our own mortality, aging, etc. Try looking deeper than just the surface. Watch some interviews with the creators, listen to the DVD commentary. You've obviously missed the whole subtext of the film if you honestly think that aging wasn't a MAJOR theme of it. Pretty obvious theme, actually...
Zaranyzerak 2 years ago
My biggest problem with the new film is
the story. Which I just found silly. I mean Spock uses something (we never find out what it is) called red matter and ends up being sucked back in time to the time of the original series. Bad writing
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Well than you must have had a problem with a lot of other ST films and episodes. The writing in the new film was no worse than a lot of previous Trek writing.
olivemike81 2 years ago
In my eyes it was much worse. Not the dialogue or the character writing (although the writing for Scotty was atrocious - still have sandwiches in the future?) But the story. The story to this movie just had me going $150 million and that was the best they could come up with. Not the worst movie ever made or anything, but a damn letdown!
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Wow, you're mad they still have sandwhiches in the future? Yes, it's impossible that people would still eat sandwhiches in the future. Get a fucking life.
olivemike81 2 years ago
Oh wake up from the delusion. I didn't like the dialogue. Sorry I suppose I should have just switched my mind off and realized 'hey this is Trek - accept anything'. But I have an opinion. You like it fine. But don't expect people just to eat stuff that tastes like shite!
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
And seriously the line did suck to me!
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Take your own advice. I've seen people give real arguments for why they don't like the movie and I had no problem with that. It's people like you [sandwhiches in the future] that need to get a life and judge a movie based on reality. Not your bullshit reasons that don't make any sense.
olivemike81 2 years ago
What like my reasoning that I didn't like the story?
That isn't a sufficient excuse?
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Yeah, it was bullshit.
olivemike81 2 years ago
Well it is hard to argue with such a convincing argument
Jack1981ish 2 years ago
Totally valid points. Like I said, for all of it's flaws, I enjoyed it and if they do actually treat it as a clean slate, I'll be interested in what comes from this. (Meaning: don't touch Khan! As open minded as I am to this, that is something I don't want to see.) I think the movie had plenty of heart. and if ( granted, a big if)they are smart ,could do something very cool. My biggest criticism is the movie format itself. Trek thrives on episodic TV when done well. That's where it belongs, IMO.
RonG40 2 years ago
you also have valid points, but star trek did not beed an unexplained reboot and re-write of the basic principles that gene created.
i enjoyed the movie but they could just as easily started witha new story instead of re-writing history
balthier1983 2 years ago
They didn't re-write history. LIke they said in the movie, an alternative reality was created. And the new movie didn't compromise any of Roddenberry's vision. The film was about friendship, loyalty, teamwork and sacrifice. All of those are the core values of Star Trek.
olivemike81 2 years ago
by creating an alternative reality they ARE re-writing history, nothing went the same way as it originally did thus it is re-written.
the basic principles of ST-tos and ST-TNG until rodenberry died, was exploration and peace not big explosions and war
balthier1983 2 years ago
Maybe you didn't watch a lot of TOS and TNG but war wasn't something eliminated in those tv shows. The history Rodenberry created in the ST universe includes wars with the Romulans, Klingons, etc, etc.
olivemike81 2 years ago
actually i've watched every series, most of the wars were more of a cold war, it wasn't full on fights all the time, more we know what you can do and you know what we can do.
DS9 was the only one to have a full scale war.
the original concept was more a wagon train to the stars.
balthier1983 2 years ago
That's not what I said. In TOS and TNG the characters occasionally talked about wars the Federation had fought in the past. And in past Star Trek movies there was just as much violence as this new one. Seems like you think two ships firing at each other is some kind of new thing for Star Trek.
olivemike81 2 years ago
two ships firing at each other no, you ever seen ST the motion picture?
balthier1983 2 years ago
Yes I have.
olivemike81 2 years ago
Exactly. I don't get why so many people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around that. I mean, long time Star Trek fans, of ANYONE, should get that INSTANTLY! Established continuity remains blissfully intact. The new movies exist in a separate, parallel timeline. No history was re-written. People need to go back and watch "Mirror, Mirror" or "Parallels" again then maybe they'll get the idea.
Zaranyzerak 2 years ago
@Zaranyzerak Some history and some characters were rewritten, as were some technologies and other glaring continuity glitches. Spock and Kirk are roughly the same age, Spock would never date a human woman, and wth is transwarp beaming? Something like that was impossible in TNG, how can it be possible in the Abrams Abomination? Stardates are the year now? Black holes are literally two dimensional holes like something Wile E. Coyote would've used? And supernovae destroy galaxies?! Pheh. Pass.
tgbotg 1 year ago
@tgbotg 1st, ALTERNATE TIMELINE, so of course history is different. That's kinda the point. 2nd, 40+ years of history for the franchise, and attempts to work in every little bit of scientific theory that happens to be in vogue at the time means that theories will change over time. Do you expect them to still conform to the same scientific theories from the 60's? That would be laughable. You should read up on quantum theory, because THAT'S what the alternate universe concept is based around.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@tgbotg And why, exactly, would Spock not date a human woman? His father certainly didn't have any problems with that. Again, ALTERNATE TIMELINE where, as you pointed out, history is altered. In this universe, Spock dated Uhura. Good for him. Abrams did an outstanding job reviving what was practically a dead franchise, not to mention bringing droves of NEW fans to it. I'm an old school Trekkie from way back, and I have no issues with it. I think it was a brilliant revival of the franchise.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Sarek had no issues, but Sarek had less to prove. Try watching the TOS epi "This Side of Paradise." It's a character trait that Nero's incursion would NOT have changed. I have a degree in physics. I get the alternate reality. I'm okay with that. But we must consider everything Nero's incursion would have changed, and it doesn't explain all the changes we see. I'm thankful there are new Trek fans, but Abrams could've done a better job for the existing fanbase.
tgbotg 1 year ago
@tgbotg Well, to sidetrack a bit - how many Star Trek movies DO explain everything perfectly with no plot holes whatsoever? ;) Oh well, can't please everyone. You've got 10 movies, 4 TV series', a cartoon, and countless comic books and novels to draw upon for your original continuity fix. I had no issues with the new movie, and I say that as a HUGE fan of the original Trek in its many forms. I'm just happy to see new adventures with the old characters, alternate or otherwise.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@tgbotg Oh, and as much as a lot of Trekkies like to THINK Trek is hard SF, it's far from it. Ben Bova it ain't. While yes, they do play around with current theories, it's still "movie science" a lot of the time. So yes, black holes can be gateways to alternate universes, time travel is possible, ditto faster than light travel, etc. It's more "proper" SF than say, Star Wars, but it's still fantasy land.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak There are lots of other youtubers who have posted their opinions of the film. I think one of the better ones is by TheWackoReviews. And this set isn't too bad, either.
tgbotg 1 year ago
@tgbotg I did a pretty extensive one as well, a 3-part collaborative review with a longtime friend of mine. My perspective was that of a longtime fan, hers was as a new fan brought to Original Crew Trek because of the new movie.
Zaranyzerak 1 year ago
@Zaranyzerak Yeah, I saw it 3 weeks ago. Why don't you have a discussion with someone who disagrees with you? One who can make intelligent arguments, of course, since I do agree there are those who are retarded in both camps.
tgbotg 1 year ago
@tgbotg - The existing fanbase ranks it highly. Maybe you shouldn't speak for everyone, and should just say "He could have a done a better job for me."
Zenutheduck 1 year ago
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@tgbotg - "Spock would never date a human woman, " It was always assumed that they were. Even on StarTrek.com they put their birthdates as close together (not canon, but this isn't a new thing either.)
"and wth is transwarp beaming?"
How did you not understand that from the film? It's not even important.
"Stardates are the year now?"
Instead of made up and flawed writers formulas? Yes. Thank you very much.
Zenutheduck 1 year ago
@Zenutheduck Transwarp beaming. They took two terms in canon and meshed them together because they thought it sounded cool. Transwarp is moving faster than Warp 10 using the TNG era warp factor formula. How does this relate to beaming? Plus, rewatch BoBW Part 2 to see just how difficult it is to transport at warp velocities. This ability was nearly impossible unless both objects were traveling the same exact warp factor for 24th Century science and Nero's incursion could NOT have changed that.
tgbotg 1 year ago
Cool video, but I think it remains to be seen if anything has been lost or not just yet. The set up has been achieved..What they do with it now that they have a clean slate to work is the question. XI was a fun and flawed movie, it achieved it's goals. It was no more flawed than virtually anything in the Trek franchise.Thank you for posting though as I enjoyed this very much! LLaP!
RonG40 2 years ago
The new movie to me just came across as being some fan fiction. As if they just thought when writing this movie "wouldn't it be cool if we saw the kobashi maru test, see how kirk and spock became friends and how kirk became captain?" Hearing about what they want to do for the sequel like "let's bring back khan" just seems like more fan fic. It was lacking in the heart and depth of the things that make us human that I've come to expect from star trek.
mummra4ever 2 years ago 5
we already knew how the test went, also that spock had had already left the academy before kirk even got there, some how that all changed just cos kirks father died.
i only say that because asides from that attack according to the story no other attackes were made until older spock appeared.
balthier1983 2 years ago