Middle East Conflict Part 1

[delagrazia]

it has now :) :)

[DomiDein]

If Arabs really love palestinians so much, why is there no Arab country which want to take Palestinian refugees, and when they do, just like in Lebanon, they have no rights and live in refuge camps with no future? Is that the expression of love by Arabs? Im glad there is a westernized country in the Middle-east, people who want Israel of the map don't realize what they get back, a terrorist regime like Hamas or Hezbollah that dont gives shit about their own civillians.

[mazenlasheen63]

Who ever is talking is an idiot. you can't come to Palestinian land and tell them to move out to their neighbors. What an asshole. Jews moved in to palestine and then say we want a state of our own. Now they want the whole country. Israeli's are going down soon.

[DomiDein]

@mazenlasheen63 Israel & Jordan where British mandate because they conquered it over the Ottoman Empire. From the land mass 80% was given to the arabs/palestinians, which is today Jordan, and the oter 20% was divided again by the UN in about 10% for the Jews and 10% for the Arabs. Arabs have more rights in Israel then in any Arab country, while Jews in Arab countries have almost no rights. Jews where longer in Israel then Palestinians are, and Palestinians already have there own country, Jordan.

[J0ker4u]

I could say the same thing about Islam and it's followers but I am not that familiar with Islam so I can't say if it's peaceful or not.

I have heard that when you read the Q 'ran itself there are rules that allow a lot of violence and bigotry.

But it seems to me that they subscribe to a lot of formality, tradition and "superstition" which diverts attention from real spirituality in my opinion...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I have read the Koran & Bible, they are both full of violence, inequality, slavery, bigotry, and plenty of murder, not to mention highly questionable moral examples.

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Have you read the bible OT & NT cover to cover?

[delagrazia]

@xNoReligionx New Testament are the Christian books The Old is not valid!Not when the New sais OTHERWISE .Its hypocritical to judge something according to what you believe it is. So lets put on a pile everything bad u find on the NT and everything good and see how would ppl be if they followed whats in the Bible Shall we?

[xNoReligionx]

This is so funny, I was listening along, going "Yeah this guy is right, it's not about the land, Israel is tiny". Then he starts on the religious crap.... BIG GROAN!

Der, that the reason for this conflic YOUR FUCKING STUPID RELIGIONS!

You stupid morons believe in an invisible Sky Daddy, which does not exist.

Muslims are as Bad as Jews, you all disgust me and I honestly hope you wipe each other of the face of the planet and leave us sane people alone.

Nuke the Arabs, see what happens!

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx I believe in God but yet I've never been involved in any wars, nor am I pro-war. Particularly not because of religion. I know this is a real rubix cube so it'll take you a while to wrap your mind aroiund how such a thing is POSSIBLE so take your time...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u It's your right to believe in God, and such a belief is not what causes wars, but religion. Religion is not believing in God, I know that' a bit of a "Rubix Cube" for you so please take your time to think it through. Man made religion with all it's made up rules and intolerance of those who do not follow that particular form of delusion are to blame for many wars. FACT!

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Religions are all about God. Yes they are screwed up but they are screweed up because of human nature. YOU on the other hand talked about believing well here's the quote...

"You stupid morons believe in an invisible Sky Daddy, which does not exist."

You talk about beivingi in God as if it is DIRECTLY relative to war-mongering.

FACT!

So I don't think you really solved that "rubix cube" as of yet my little friend.

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u, I disagree, religions are not about God... they are about control... control of the minds of the masses. Religion is a kind of early politics which we have not had the wisdom to grow out of. Most religions go far further than preaching the existence of a God or Gods, they tell you how to live your life, what morals to have and even small details about what you should or should not eat etc.

I have no problem with you being delusional and believing in God!

[xNoReligionx]

Believing in a non-existent sky daddy, may not be directly related to warmongering, but it is certainly a close cousin. When people BELIEVE in non-existent things they tend to get all evangelical about it. If anyone criticizes their beliefs, or say their belief it wrong and something else is right, then they get all bent out of shape, rather like YOU! Next thing they are killing each other over it. It has been ever thus for thousands of years, about time we grew up!

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u You don't believe what I'm saying?

Just look at the name (handle) of the person who uploaded this video.

H8izlamluvjesus.

So we should HATE Islam / Muslims and we should LOVE Christianity / Jesus and Christians? That is the inference, and I can show you equal hate from Islam to Christianity and Hundu and so on and so forth.

This hate has murdered millions, the list of atrocities in the name of religions is extensive, as you well know.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx "Believing in a non-existent sky daddy, may not be directly related to warmongering" according to you and " religions are not about God... they are about control... control of the minds of the masses." so why tie in theism with religion just because they have some qualities? Is that to say that all people that have 2 legs all have the same qualities or black people all steal? Or white people are all wimps or brown people never have class? No those are just generalisations! UNTRUE !

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I fully understand what you are trying to say here. Yes I know just because more black people are involved in criminal activities does not make all black people criminals. But religion does insight a separatist xenophobic attitude. Some more than others. It sure seems that good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx God I hate when you bookworms try to use big words to sound like you're right... Look... Just because some people take a religion and add stutf and remove stuff and twist it because they have the desire to control people does not mean that the essence of the religion is the same as what they preach...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Yes that big word thing does work :)

To the rest of your comment, yes it does mean that the essence of religion is what they preach. As a layperson, what else have I got to go on. My first exposure to REAL religion was when I was forced to go to Church at a Catholic school... it freaked me out completely, so I told them I was Jewish.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Terrorism that is...

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Christianity in itself teaches forgiveness so when people take their own desires and combine it with religion it has very little to do with the religion itself... and the hatred of a religion or concept may very well be "hypothetical" since it's not an actual person....

But you know what... forget I said anything...

Never mind...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u If Christianity teaches forgiveness, it's not very apparent. During the Spanish inquisition, heretics were FORGIVEN, by being tortured to death! Many Jews and Muslims were mercilessly murdered during the Crusades. I guess you and I just have a different definition of FORGIVENESS!

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx You've gone back to generalising again... Simply beacuse some people let's say the Spanish inquisition took advantage of their power; is that to say all Christianity does? How many people have murdered in the name of Christianity compared to the number that HAVE NOT???

Certainly there are FAR more that haven't! Right?

And the religion itself today teaches no massacre or slaughter. As far as I know Jesus was not a war-monger. But maybe we have different definitions of war!

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Yes I am using generalizations, but your argument that most Christians have not been caught red handed murdering and pillaging is not acceptable. If religion insights even just a tiny number of people to do bad things in it's name then that a slur on the rest of the congregation. Sure Christianity is not the main culprit these days, but it's just waiting in the wing with it's brainwashed followers. Look at Islam, most Muslims are anti-America and Israel for religious reasons.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Modern Christians that I have been exposed to have never murdered in the name of religion. How can this phenomenon take place? Something must be wrong. The sky and the stars must be out of line.

Before you go off of that line...

It was an expression... let it go...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I'd like to argue that I should not let it go, but I can't remember what your comment was or what I was arguing and I'm too lazy to check back lol :)

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx should not let what go?

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u To put it in the most basic terms, religion teaches people to throw away their common sense and morality and replace it with a set of fucked up ancient morals. Religious people throw away logic and replace it with the tyranny in their "good book". The picture in my head of Abraham about to murder his son because God asks it, sums up my feelings about the whole subject. RELIGION = FUCKED MORAL STANDARDS

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Religion does sometimes teach peopel to let go morality and common sense or sometimes individuals use religion as an excuse to do something they want to do anyway... Either way the glaring truth that religion does not go hand in hand with war EVERY TIME is somethign that should not be shrouded in this darkened cloud you're trying to cast over it.

You have to call a spade a spade. Give religion it's due. It does do some good.

Not all theists are terrorists hence theism is not that

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I agree that religion is not always the cause of wars, it's just the cause MOST OF THE TIME :)

Not all theists are terrorists, but all terrorists ARE theists :)

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Wait. You really believe all terrorists are theists?

And that all terror comes from theism? So it never has to do with land or anything like that huh?

When the Europeans went to African and captured slaves etc. it was because of religion?

And don't mention somewhere in the bible that mentions someone somewhere at some piont enslaved some people even tho Jesus is against it... and say aha look the bible promotes slaves...

And of course the bible has been tampered with...

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx You could continue to live in the past and talk about the Spanish inquisition which has no effect on the present and try to use it as a propaganda tool to attack Christianity or you can accept the fact that Christianity in modern times is a vastly peaceful, forgiving religion which does not advocate terrorism of any kind...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I could do that, but then it would not stop Christians attacking those who don't believe in their bullshit, telling us e'll go to hell, and using examples like stalin as past atrocities of Atheists. Plus Christianity may be on the whole peaceful these days, BUT

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx People telling yoy you'll go to hell is simply their belief and not a serious problem. In life people will tell you hundreds of thing syou don't like. Life is not tailor-made to softly pat your butt...

Islam doesn't agree with Christianity but do you see them trying to get in each other's way? I mean of course in the religious sense but they still co-exist in many places

Even in Rome condoms are legal, no?

So what's your grouse?

Grow up!

:-O

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Hey, you are the one asking me why I get upset with christians. Telling someone they are going to roast in hell for eternity is not something we should just shrug off. What if I said I was going to prey for you to have a very painful death, how would you take that? The Pope actively tells christians not to use condoms, period.. thats tantamount to murder!

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u That does not stop Christians trying to preach complete bullshit like creationism to young kids in the hope that they'll forget science and basic logic and believe in the boogie man.

What about the Catholic Church professing that Condoms actually promote AIDS?

And whilst we are on the subject, how about your fucking Pedo priests?

You want examples of the atrocities of Christianity today... there are many !

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Wait wait wait! Now you're tyin' up your words!

We were talking anti-violence!

I said Christianity is a peaceful religion.

And when people break the rules stated clearly in the religion, like pedos, it's them to blame efor being BAD Catholics/Christians.

NOT the RELIGION ITSELF!!!

How can you possibly argue with that?

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Yes I can argue with that, you see it's christianity which makes people do bad and violent things today in the name of their religion. What about this poor doctor who was murdered by christians because he performed abortions? Don't tell me those christians were bad? They would not have murdered if it were not for the doctrine of their religion.

[delagrazia]

@xNoReligionx ..they are badly insane. Where does the testament sais KILL??? Doesnt it actually say , forgive? doesnt it say ,whoever kills by knife will be killed by it?

Hell is cause and effect,would you consider cause and effect bad?After death according to Xnity ppl rest -sleep. until 2ND JUSGMENT when will all b judged ACCORDINGLY(i realise this judgment concept might cause fear to some,but thats due to ppls nature Nowhere in bible is spoke of a harsh trial-Only that the bad will go2gehena

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx You're trying to say Christianity is war-mongering and now that you look like an ass you're trying to cover your madness by attacking ignorance of some churches in the field of science, talking about priests buggering kids and all that other madness.

Does the typical Christian commit child-rape?

Is child-rape a manditory thing for all Christians?

Does Christianity ALWAYS ban science in schools?

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Like I said...

We were talking about war and peace.

You're trying to say Christianity is war-mongering and now that you look like a fool you're trying to cover your madness by attacking ignorance of some churches in the field of science and all that other b.s. ...

Stick to the issue!

But let's not forget you happily admitted that you were trying to use words to distract from the point earlier.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Coud it be you don't have a solid back-up of what you're saying and you seek only to try to make believe liek you have some great significant argument becasue you're a brat with nothing better to do with your time?

(And clearly can't get laid)

I'm just harrassing you! Don't be insulted!!!

:P

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u No insult taken, conjecture what you like, I'm very confident of my position and would happy for you to TRY and call me on it :)

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx and you say that religion has massacred millions. Millions seems a bit amped up but not totally untrue... Over the course of time sure... but what are you saying? As opposed to what? I'm sure as more people have been stabbed in pointless robberies or revenge/grudge violence over the period of humanity than have been from religous wars...

It's human nature to be violent...

You say God is non-existant but you can never prove this! And if anyone is getting bent out of shape it's u

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Certainly Millions have been massacred in the name of religion, I'm sure that in many cases it was a convenient banner to stand behind, but the fact is religion is responsible for more bad than good.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx And you used the fucking word wrong!

Xenophobic : –noun

an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

It's not about fear about the unknown! It's about them doing what they're thought was right by people who confuse them. And then refer to my alst message... right under this one...

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u I think I used the word correctly in the context of my sentence, and yes I do know the meaning of it... most religions promote a xenophobic attitude, perhaps with the exception of Buddhism. Islam possibly being the worst culprit. Us and them, it's all over the BuyBull and the Koran.

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx How the hell does Christianity promote xenophobia?

Did xenophobia not exist before Christianity?

Does xenophobia not exist OUTSIDE christianity to this day.

And just to give religion a kick in the balls you say PERHAPS Buddhism? Not even giving Buddhism it's props? What about Hinduism? The old testament is obselete now. The New Testament teaches love thy neighbour. You can't deny that many Christians in America teach that. The fact that they disobey is different totally.

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u One of the most amusing things about debating a theist is that to be a theist you have to be illogical, and therefore your arguments are illogical. Sure Xenophobia is not exclusive to Christianity, how does that invalidate my argument that Christianity promotes xenophobia... it does not... your argument is PATHETIC LIKE YOU!

Then you say that the OT is obsolete and so forth, Fine invent your own religion and throw out the OT, but even Jesus said that the old laws still stood. READ!

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx You failed to see the point I was making.

I was saying that the fact that according to you Christianity or some parts thereof promotes Xenophobia has more to do with human nature than the pros of the religion. And if theists are illogical then doesn't that make you a fool for carrying on such an argument?

How can you say Jesus promotes " an eye for an eye" when he said " turn the other cheek"

YOU READ!

It's been tampered with! You need to use that fat head of yours!

:P

[xNoReligionx]

@J0ker4u Religion promotes xenophobia because it is separatist in it's nature. It creates an "us and them" attitude. The Faithful v the Infidel or the heretic. History is replete with examples of xenophobia promoted by religion, I'm amazed that you can't see this. What was the spanish inquisition then?

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx Christianity in modern times doesn't preach killing so I dunno what you're on about. I know of no Christian terrorists since I've bene walking this earth. And if there are they're few compared to the MILLIONS of peaceful law-abiding Christians out there!

FACT!

[J0ker4u]

@xNoReligionx We never said anything about atrocities and problems on the whole! And if people of a religion break the rules of the religion does that mean the religion itself is to blame?

If the people in power are screwing up things then that just mean there's corruption.

If the religion was to blame then the religion would totally agree with child-molestation and the dissolution of science and condoms!

But we are talking about war mongers. Not creationism and science!

[bextaylorwood]

I agree with mwad3. Icredible ignorance.

[tvar4]

This is as biased and one-sided as anything I have seen on the issue. What about the Islamic religious beliefs in their right to the land?

[Ajntb2Sli]

They have no rights, because it doesn't belong to them!!!

[xNoReligionx]

@tvar4 Who cares in what any religion says about it's rights. All religions are man made bullshit!

[mwad3]

you're so ignorant...

it's like Mexico takes Arizona and say to the Americans over there to go to other states...

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Americans, Wake up....

[jamminjago]

If you think we are asleep, then you are in a coma.

[blknge]

if this was a high school project A+ man!