"In the Cards" (Campaign for Free Expression Video Contest)

[dontbedifficult2]

"PROTECT DISSENT" is going to be my new graffiti tag

[piusvapor]

Thank God, (literally) I live in America cause I have seen practically every one of those signs used systematically used over and over, the last 30 years and have seen no repercussions at all.

[Lrdvltr]

Tell this to J3\/\/Tube for removing any video that exposes Zionism and what's happening behind the governmental curtains of the world. Youtube are the only ones removing free speech.

[fuklibs]

Liberals LOVED "dissent" & called it the "highest form of patriotism".........until the Tea Party started doing it, then they were "un-American, Tim McVeigh wannabe's, angry, violent, racist, astroturfters, KKK members, teabaggers, terrorists, traitors, ect.........Freaking Hypocrites!

[mikepalomino]

@fuklibs Your faux rage is only surpassed by your willful ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. You want to talk about Free Speech? Tell me: how many "Free Speech Zones" were TP rallies cordoned off in as Libs were during the Bush years? How many TPs were fired from their jobs for their views? How many pro-TP tv shows were yanked from the air for controversial comments like Bill Maher was? How many liberals brought guns to political rallies? and made veiled threats about violent overthrow?

[fuklibs]

@mikepalomino Not sure, I've never been to a TP. Well, Rush Limbaugh was refused the right to buy a football team by the NFL. Dr Laura, Mike Savage, Imus & Juan Williams were taken off the air for political views & they TRIED to get Duayne Chapman fired. Hell Savage is even banned from Liberal England. How many liberals were fired??

What is a pro TP tv show? LMAO!

What do guns have to do with free speech? Its their RIGHT. Audacious huh?

Violent Overthrow? LOL! We talking speech or lies?

[AlienScientist]

9/11 Was an Inside Job, The Truth does not fear investigation!

Protect Freedom of Speech! Thank you for this video.

[ourhandsaretied]

This is a really really good video; inspiring

[Downfurlife]

I do not agree. Speaking from a purely clinical stand point although my terminology might be off just consider my principal. A collections of ideas lead to a belief. Beliefs control thoughts and thoughts lead to action, they are a prerequisite. The terms or order might be off. Feel free to correct me. People with delusional, irrational or stupid thoughts are simple more dangerous and more capable of dangerous, irrational or stupid action.

[Sinnessa]

@Downfurlife Yeah, but would you censor some speech if it was religious in nature?

[Downfurlife]

@Si No, we could just put all the theists in jail. You can't 'distrube the peace', can't yell "fire", although you can you "can't call your boss or co-worker a nigger", you can't not hire her because her tits are too small, you can't not hire him because he is gay, although you could;even if the other agreed you can't own a slave, you can not hire him because he is a gook, if you work IT although you could you can't hire him just because he is Asian. We do not tolerate these things as society

[Sinnessa]

@Downfurlife Put all the theists in jail? For what? And who would build this monumental prison capable of holding billions of people?

[Downfurlife]

@Sinnessa For treason to humanity. I am not concerned with the world at the moment, just the USA. I said we "could" not we would. Like any mentally ill person they must be treated. If with therapy, medication, prison or locked in a mental institution; I am not sure - I do not care.

Mentally ill people are treated for their own good and those around them. We do it it because we are a moral and ethical society for the most part. Unlike you I do not have the ability not to care.

[Sinnessa]

@Downfurlife Listen, you ignorant little shit. I've been civil to you, so don't even begin to guess what I do or do not care about and have the audacity to just throw it out there and expect it to pass muster. You're not even saying anything of value, just "throw them all in prison, hur hur hur!" What the fuck?

What are you, crazy? Would you just round all the millions of theists up, throw them onto trains, carry them off to some concentration camp? You know who the last person to do that was?

[Downfurlife]

@Sinnessa A staunch catholic by the name of Hitler who was backed and fully supported by the church and pope. He wrote in clear non-ambiguous terms he was doing the work of Christ in his autobiography and in many other areas.

I understand, supporting religion is an emotional stance. It is not a rational or logical one. Therefore when such a belief is challenged all one can do is have temper tantrums. Here, a tinfoil hat for you little person. Now stomp off and pray elsewhere.

[Sinnessa]

@Downfurlife Ahh, I get it now. You think I'm a theist myself. Haha. Wow, luckily not everyone relies on assumption as much as you do. And hey, I guess I can be thankful you are in no possition to implement the draconian measures that you propose, or I'd be rounded up with the rest of the theists right? In some massive witch hunt type operation? You happily answer my question and say it was indeed Hitler, and yet fail to understand you're proposing exactly the same methods as he. Haha, great.

[Downfurlife]

@SReligion is dangerous, it devalues life, it promotes homophobia, sexism, in many cases racism. It causes social friction, serves as a catalyst to war & murder, abuses children with threats of hell, gets in the way of science, infringes science class rooms, stands in the way of womens right&choice. The sins are countless. If you do not care that is ok. No religion is emotional. Most likely you love or know a theist. So when shoved into a corner about how vile it is all you explode.

[Sinnessa]

@Downfurlife You just talk right out of your arse, don't you? You just let if flow without even thinking about what you say. Not wanting to round up all theists and imprison them does not mean I do not care about the dangers of religion. Faulty logic.

I bet you honestly, deep down think you've pressed me into a corner, don't you? I bet you think you're talking sense. Fascinating. So many wild assumtions. I'm surprised you don't actually sprain yourself jumping to conclusions so often.

[Downfurlife]

@Sinnessa What do you mean? Religion must be stopped or marginalized to the beyond where slavery is. Religion starts off with the premise, "You are not my equal". Only they are gods child(ren), only they will be saved, they obviously have pack mentality. Then it suggests nonchalantly all babies will rot in hell be tortured and suffer unless they worship their god and no other. The story they learn contradicts their neighbors (s). What do you want to do then? Want me to spank em?

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife I think you mean Christianity. As a lover of theology, Im going to have to point out a couple of popular religions are not the same as all religion.

The actions of few should not cause the judgment of many. That's irrational.

That's why there was that ridiculous Mosque riot. When it wasnt even a Mosque

[Downfurlife]

@Ya The countries where religion rules or the small-massive pockets where religion rules(I am speaking theocracy).... Or the time the world was ruled by religion were(are) the darkest, most vile and brutal parts of the universe. How could I not stand by a position like that? Why is responding to someone trolling? It is factual not delusional. It is also a fact in modern civilization except under the umbrella of faith we label people insane if they talk to invisible entities.

[Yashendwirh]

@Sinnessa The person is obviously following the ED how-to troll to the letter. They dont actually stand by that position or they wouldnt be wasting their time trying to provoke people through YT comments, one of the most uncofortable places on earth were the first 7 pages of any popular video is full of FIRST FIRST 1st SECOND 15th FIRST.

I really wouldn't expect a rational remark from someone whose known for being the perfect example of total-internet-fuckwad theory.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Yet the crazies that talked to invisible sky daddies were also the ones who invented the major fields of science. Sir Francis Bacon established the scientific method. Isaac Newton Mathematics & Physics. Robert Boyle Chemistry. Michael Faraday-Physics. And many more.

Theist != crazy. Similarly atheist != sane. Pretty hasty generalization. One thing seems irrational to you does not mean the entire being is irrational. It's wrongful projection as well as fallacy of composition.

[Downfurlife]

@Yas I never said theists can not be smart? All they had of their day was theism. They explained the unknown by inventing god(s). Hitler was a disgusting person who deserved to have his throat slashed in front of his mother or wife. However, this does not mean he was an awesome leader, artist or general. Stop trying to twist what I am saying to benefit your straw man argumentation. Religion is active in the Hippocampus of the brain - away from areas where logic is.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife So is love and hate and blinking. The only one presenting a strawman here is you. You asserted people who talk to deities were crazy. I pointed out that a person can have a crazy aspect and still not be crazy. The individual functions of the brain cant represent the brain as a whole. Again, you're fallacy of composition comes through.

[Downfurlife]

@Yas I am sorry. Pick up a modern psychology journal. Or read Diagnostics Statistics Manual since 1980ish(DSM). Delusions, irrational behavior and beliefs are clearly described, well studied & documented to be defective human actions; beliefs or attitudes. The only time delusional behavior is not recognized for what it clearly is.... Is when it hides in the remaining corners of the ancient past under the cover of "faith". As we progress forward science slowly rips away that blanket(cover).

[Yashendwirh]

What you are typically considering to be delusional, irrational & stupid are also subjective, not finite, so you're conclusion is also subjective depending on the context in which it's given. Culture at the time thought it was delusional to believe the world was round yet some crazaaaay theist decided he'd invent a formula to test that theory. You need to compartmentalize what -you- believe is dilusional from what others do or you risk self-fulfilling the prophecy of your projection.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Im sorry. Psychology isn't an exact science :3 Hence why each case is subjective. You should know better if you claim to know anything about psychology.

[Downfurlife]

@Yashendwirh LOL -so you are saying the DSM is meaningless? You have a lot of work a head of you. You need to convince an entire community of professionals which have existed and thrived for over 100 yrs. Psychology is a fact and evidence based science. It makes predictions & it is falsifiable. If you disagree with the findings of modern psychology, I can do nothing other than offer a tinfoil has.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Lol no I didn't say that, I said it wasn't an exact science, which is a fact. You sprained from jumping to conclusions yet?  If that's your unsubstantiated conclusion then the rest of your commentary is a strawman and doesnt deserve addressing.

[Downfurlife]

@Yashendwirh Nothing in this world is an exact science and that is a fact. Now you are falling into the old tired and true "creationist" argument. It is called the god in the gaps. Schizophrenia, Grandiose Delusions, Delusions, Audio Hallucinations, Paranoia or Hallucinations are well understood, documented, defined with clear and non-ambiguous symptoms. Under every other circumstance except religion these symptoms are clearly recognized for what they are - a mental illness(irrational).

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Dead wrong. Mathematics, physics, chemistry, are all exact sciences. Psychology is a social/natural science/humanities. That is a fact. Schizophrenia, paranoia are illness, the rest are symptoms alone. Hence why you can't accurately diagnose a group for sharing a single attribute. Hence why you are wrong With that it's become apparent I'm talking to someone who is using examples of a science they doesn't even understand & if you do you are blatantly ignoring it's methodology..

[Downfurlife]

@Ya You surly can diagnose mass delusions. You certainly treat them or force them into treatment. While I might have fun being near hitler or one of your science buddies on a good day. I would sooner see their mental illnesses dealt with before doing so. Most Serial killers lead perfect normal lives displaying no other real signs of threat other then they wish to anti social behavior. The threat of religion is an invisible being commands them to go strong and conquer.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife So youre admitting youre wrong about psychology & exact sciences right? I"ll assume that's why you omit that part until you address it.

Physical causation (such as poisoning) for the delusions the only way to properly diagnose a group -with a symptom. It still wont be a complete nor accurate diagnosis. When you say a bunch of people believe the same thing you're confusing correlation with causation, just one of the many logical fallacies you subscribe to.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Case in point the Rosenhan experiment. Look it up. he study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" and also illustrated the dangers of dehumanization and labeling in psychiatric institutions.

What you're assuming is a mental condition is actually a case of "group think". Group think != mental illness.

[Downfurlife]

@Ya LOL grow up wear this tin foil hat.

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires." -Freud

There are thousands of documented journal's from thousands of independent researchers that contradict that point. Your fall back to "Quote mining" is dog shit.

FBI, CIA, NSA,ATF, BATF, KGB, Mossad& the military use psychological profiling on cults,gangs,citizens to determine well being, sanity & motive of groups on massive scales.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Oh my, I couldn't very well take this hat. Its you're only defense when faced w/ adversity. Your examples are irrelevant to group diagnosis, which is impossible & proves you know very little about psychology. So youre still wrong. Psychological profiling is a way to try and ID the suspect through their habits, not to diagnose them. So you're wrong again. You continue to diverge b/c you don't have the balls to admit when you're wrong, ignorant of terms, or worse, caught in a lie.

[Downfurlife]

@Y I do not understand? I insist, I made the hat for you, fucker :). You threw out one quote as it was end all of all, like the return of Jesus fucking christ. We judge insanity by statistical norms. Profiling as it relates to the cults, the terrorist cell, the gangs identifies the type of person in "X" community, tells the type of person likely to join "X", tells about "X". It tells us a motive&intention. I can do no more than say google, "psychological profile of a cult" & read the pages.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Of course you don't understand dear. :3 It's becomming apparent how little you do. I didn't throw out a quote, I gave you the full conclusive statement. Research it or go on being ignorant. In which case put that foil hat back on to continue protecting your delicate ego. 80% of humans are theists. By your standards religion is a statistical norm, thus not insane. Cults aren't a collective of the mentally ill, but group think. Again you subscribe to the composition fallacy.

[Downfurlife]

@YaI was not speaking of religious norms. 80% of those believe in unique, gods who make exclusive claims of truth which contradict each other based solely on faith, not evidence. Science works through observation of change. If we observe humans under normal circumstances barring religion; which is clearly a conceptual phenomena - we have a "control" People experience such things are rightly & correctly considered mentally ill according to the DSM unless under the umbrella of religion.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Actually, 80% of those theists do -not- believe in unique gods. Over 70% of them are monotheistic & believe in the god of Abraham. Only about 1/6th of them are unique from each other, including atheism in that chart. So believing in God is still a societal norm.

ANd wrong again, science "works" as you put it by constants, reliability and accurate prediction. "Unless under the umbrella of religion." Unless being they aren't mental according to prediction and societal norms.

[Downfurlife]

@YasAa jew, muslim, , hindu & christian are so far a part no reasonable comparison can be made. "Constants"= the same. When we observe things which are not the same we make predictions. I had nothing to do with writing the DSM. However, it clearly defines delusions, audio/visual hallucinations, paranoia & grandiose delusions. If a 'healthy' person experience these &does not suggest it is part of their 'faith' they are rightly labeled delusional.Mental Institutions are lined w/such people.

[Yashendwirh]

@Downfurlife Hindu is the odd man out, however, jews, muslims and christians all worship the Abrahamic god and their core values are more alike than different. Reasonable comparison right there, unless you have no idea about any of the faiths beside heresay.

Observing something that is not constant means you cannot make an -accurate- prediction besides it's relative.

If you agree with the DSM and it's choice to compartmentalize religion and mental illness, then I admit agree with you.

[Downfurlife]

@Downfurlife There is no comparison. If there is...... 3 cylinder 1990 Geo Metro to a Lamborghini. Apples to Oranges. If the God of the Christian is real someone needs to inform Isa he is not 'god'. The DSM is published published by the APA. I obtained their number for you:1-888-35-PSYCH

If you wish to continue the discussion it needs to be with them. I put a bell on this tinfoil hat, so we know when you are coming. Have a blessed day.

[stojadinovicp]

To kill a doctor is not a crime??? How did that get in there as something to be tolerated???

[UntamedAxeRage]

@stojadinovicp It works on the same principle as "to kill a human fetus is not a crime."

[stojadinovicp]

@UntamedAxeRage: an egg is not a chicken, a nut is not a tree, a silk cocoon is not a dress, a fetus is not a person... this is not a difficult concept...

[UntamedAxeRage]

@stojadinovicp I agree with you. Nevertheless, there are millions of people in the world who believe that life begins at conception and that human embryos and fetuses should be granted the same rights as any other human beings. For such people, the destruction of a fetus is tantamount to the murder of an adult human being. They have the right to express their point of view irrespective of how much it offends you or how wrong you believe it to be. That is the whole point of the video.

[stojadinovicp]

@UntamedAxeRage: I never said they don't have that right, I simply stated facts that prove those beliefs to be wrong. arguing "i believe this & you believe that" leads nowhere. If two people have directly opposing claims than one is wrong & other is right (excluding "both are wrong" valid case) & it is more important to determine who is right then to protect someones "feelings"... their beliefs affect others! Thus, be it millions or billions or even ALL, it is still wrong & not to be considered

[JohnnyDizm]

@stojadinovicp Much like a Microsoft help message, your statement is %100 right and %100 useless. The video, the first amendment, the social contract are not about 'protect(ing) someones "feelings."' You and I have the right to be wrong. And to express provably false claims without restriction (much like this above comment). It is more important to protect someone's rights than to determine who is right.

[stojadinovicp]

@JohnnyDizm: And the fact that their "right to express" leads to murder is quite OK? I never said they don't have the right to SAY their moronic beliefs, what I AM saying is that we have the OBLIGATION to point out and prove that what they are saying is bullshit! There is a difference between allowing someone speak with and without speaking up against his evil bullshit.

[Escape2SagaCity]

@stojadinovicp (Dizm here) "And the fact that their "right to express" leads to murder is quite OK?" Yes, yes, quite okday. Rights cannot be abused. Your closing makes no sense. There's a difference between what and what?

This is not an anti-criticism video. If that's what you're trying to express.

[stojadinovicp]

@Escape2SagaCity: again, you keep confusing FORBIDDING someone to express themselves verbally and SAYING that what they expressed is wrong and stupid and so on... I never said, nor do i think that people should be prevented from saying, but I DO SAY that we MUST SAY the truth about it and criticize it every chance we get! Allowing someone to speak is not equal to allowing them to poison impressionable minds (by being silent) and recruit morons who will go from words to deeds!

[Escape2SagaCity]

@stojadinovicp Walk me through this Tenzig Norgay. How do you get from "To kill a doctor is not a crime??? How did that get in there as something to be tolerated???"

to

"Allowing someone to speak is not equal to allowing them to poison impressionable minds (by being silent) and recruit morons who will go from words to deeds!"

Then again, this may be a more challenging concept than I thought...then again, again you may just be that desperate to be right about something. Audience?

[stojadinovicp]

@UntamedAxeRage: there are millions who believe that a man was dead for 3 days then got up to play hoops, what millions believe is irrelevant, same as what i believe, what IS relevant are the FACTS... a fetus is not a person and that is a fact, not someones belief... "small" difference but an important one...

[UntamedAxeRage]

@stojadinovicpYour statement is both incorrect and irrelevant. Get yourself a dictionary and look up the word "person." I think you'll find that the applicable definition in this case is "one that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties." That a fetus meets this definition is by no means a fact as you so brazenly claim (you haven't even considered what stage of fetal development you're talking about) but rather a philosophical question that merits intense debate and discussion

[UntamedAxeRage]

@UntamedAxeRage In any case, as has been pointed out to you before, this video is about the right of all people to freely express their convictions, regardless of the correctness or incorrectness of their views. 

[stojadinovicp]

@UntamedAxeRage; ok, fair enough, i will gladly rephrase: a fetus before the end of its first trimester is not a human being and as such is not a subject of any right and duties.

[stojadinovicp]

@UntamedAxeRage: no, it doesn't, what is required is scientific research to find out at which stage of fetal development the fetus becomes enough human-like to be considered a person. Philosophical bullshit only brings more problems.

[kelpie394]

@stojadinovicp Probably about the time North Dakota tried to pass a law making it legal to kill an abortion doctor.

[Globalistreason]

@stojadinovicp The opinion is protected not the act. You recognize it is a crime to kill a doctor but you do not recognize it is a crime for a doctor to take the life of an unborn child. Should that opinion be tolerated?

[stojadinovicp]

@Globalistreason: no because the term unborn child is a misleading one, in the first trimester it is NOT a child and therefore can not be an unborn child either, it is an embryo. I do recognize the crime of killing a developed fetus. Learn the difference.

[geodesicks]

Fuck Islam.

It isn't said enough.

[beren082]

@geodesicks Fuck Christianity

It isn't said enough

[geodesicks]

@beren082 : I agree. But Christianity in the post-industrialized world is not nearly as viral any more or as potent as Islam in the pre-industrialized world that is now very rapidly arming itself with 21st century communications and weapons technologies. When entire countries can riot over a cartoon or over a book, demanding the assassination of an author or artist, I think it is imperative to look at *which* religion is causing the trouble. A trip to the airport would suffice, actually.

[beren082]

@geodesicks Only, we are in an industrialized country, where christians have enough power to suppress scientific research and impose themselves on public schools and even public policy. Where they can murder abortion doctors and bomb mosques and get away nearly scott free. oh, but Islam is the threat. Not the people who've made it very clear that they can and will shred the constitution if given the chance.

[geodesicks]

@beren082 : Speak for your country. I'm not an American, though I do love your country largely for its Constitution. Political Christianity is a very disconnected and sporadic movement, and their power to suppress research and speech is easily overturned by voting right. Political Islam is several orders of magnitude the larger problem in the world with the power to pass UN resolutions enacting blasphemy laws, intimidating nations to suppress their own freedoms through terror, etc.

[Downfurlife]

@beren082 Fuck religion.... This is all you needed to say. I know it is hard most of us have theist friends, parents, coworkers, bosses or find them in our social networks. However, fuck each and everyone of 'em. Their delusional beliefs have no place in a modern society which wishes to progress forward. Fuck Alla, Isa, YHVH and Christ.

[Downfurlife]

@geodesicks Eh? There was no entire country that rioted over a cartoon. Photo of an entire country rioting or it didn't happen. Christianity openly discriminates against homo's. It brainwashed children, it costs school boards tens of millions and hundreds of thousands of man hours keeping it out of the class room, it denies global warming, it tells us our perfect children are born sinful, it supports holocausts in Gaza, it blocks condom distribution in Africa, it blocks 'choice'.

[myusernameisluc]

@Downfurlife

"Christianity" is innanimate, It doesn't do anything. Only people do. And not everyone who calls themselves a "Christian" is anti-social.

[Downfurlife]

@myus While in a clinical setting in a controlled situation that technically might be true, I doubt it. Thoughts>Ideas>Beliefs>Actions­. I am not a psychologist my model might be off, correct it if you can - I would be interested. However, the truth is humans with irrational, anti-social & dangerous beliefs(especially if they believe those beliefs[guide lines] come from an omnipotent being)... Such a person is capable of dangerous actions. Religion is a truck to, motivator & the catalyst.

[Downfurlife]

@geodesicks Fuck Christianity as well. More importantly fuck religion. It poisons everything it touches.

[JohnnyDizm]

FTW!

[rg0057]

Nice try, but you weaselly avoided anything REALLY controversial. These are all things that are in the public discourse today. If you were really honest, you'd include some statements that are nearly universally condemned in the US, or which oppose a current moral panic.

[Ziztur]

@rg0057 I fail to see why this is "weaselly." Many of these are ideas people have attempted to censor, suppress, etc. I think you missed the point of this video.

[JohnnyDizm]

@rg0057 You caught me. This is watered down for time constraints and also visibility purposes. The original concept included flag burning, some choice words from Dr. Laura Schlessinger and Animal Mother in Full Metal Jacket, Swastikas (sp.) (including symbols from the state of AZ and Finnish Air Force), and some of my favorite song lyrics. I'm sorry it wasn't hardcore enough for the True Believer (it's not as "hardcore as I'd have liked, either)). Frankly, it was a contest.

[JohnnyDizm]

@JohnnyDizm Oh! And American kids doing the Bellamy. Oh sweet irony.

[mistereveready]

I support any speech except death threats. I'm against slander/harrassment as well, but can be awkward to defend against. I will support some jackass right to tell me I'm unamerican, a nigger or whatever, long as I and everyone else have a right to tell them how they are wrong and insult them in return. I rather know someone is a loony than have them hidden and suppressed. Like those westboro baptist church fucks.

[TXatheist]

I think Protect Dissent would make as good a bumper sticker as my other favorite, Question Authority.

[sachamm]

Good video, but I draw the freedom of speech line at violence: you can't advocate or advise violence. If I tell you I'm going to give you $5000 to kill someone, is that protected speech? I can't go to jail for that?

[UltraComboer]

@sachamm I don't think so. If you actually exchanged money and there's proof that you wanted the person dead then yes.

[ivyshoots]

@sachamm What about saying "Such-and-such should be a crime punishable by death" as in the case of abortion doctors? Calling that dr "Tiller the Baby Killer" on FOX News helped get him murdered; it made it seem MORAL to murder him and immoral not to. So even general suggestions about "just" violence can advocate vigilante murder.

[JohnnyDizm]

@sachamm That's incitement. Incitement is and should be a crime. I don't believe in dangerous talk or dangeous thoughts. It's one of the reasons I can't be a Christian, thinking about sinning (if there is such a thing) and not sinning is morally superior to not thinking about sinning. It makes all the difference.

[beren082]

Well, I would agree in this situation, but what constitutes dangerous talk or dangerous thoughts? where do we draw the line at inflammatory speech and "dangerous" speech? when it's ideas that we don't agree with? when there's a possibility that it could incite violence? if it has incited violence? how do we prove that it in fact did? I could punch anyone at Fox in the face and feel confident that they had it coming, but ultimately people have to take responsibility for their own actions.

[darthkur]

Kudos. Very well done.

[Revyloution]

nicely put. 

[socrates856]

Very good video. Yes, it's difficult, unpopular, unpleasant, offensive views that need protecting. 

[koningDesign]

I am pretty sure this is very similar to the video by INXS, "Mediate" which won Video of the Year at the 1988 MTV VMAs. Then again, it has been over 20 years ago.

I most certainly agree with the statement, "The strength of our freedom is measured by...". However, was the goal of the CFI Free Expression Video Contest to inform and empower people to tolerate differences, or to offend?

Perhaps a more important question would be, at what point is freedom of expression merely an excuse to offend?

[drmwa]

@koningDesign "I am pretty sure this is very similar to the video by INXS, "Mediate" which won Video of the Year at the 1988 MTV VMAs. Then again, it has been over 20 years ago."

The concept started with Bob Dylan, in the documentary "Don't Look Back", and has been used and parodied numerous times since.

[moach]

@drmwa Forgetting Sarah Marshall: Sodomize Intolerance.

That still slays me.

[JohnnyDizm]

@drmwa It's been done many (and one more), Subterranean Homesick Blues is the prime source.

[sholio]

@koningDesign "Perhaps a more important question would be, at what point is freedom of expression merely an excuse to offend?"

Irrelevant.

That's the whole point.

The question of motivation should never enter the issue of true freedom.

Nobody has the right not to be offended.

Besides, offence is only taken if it is taboo.

[ughfup]

@sholio And, for the record, being tolerant towards other religions was taboo in Europe 500 years ago, even less.

[excitope]

@koningDesign Tolerating differences is, by definition, tolerating views and statements you may find offensive. The more important question is, why do you wish to use the excuse of giving offense to shackle the freedoms of others?

[moach]

@koningDesign "Perhaps a more important question would be, at what point is freedom of expression merely an excuse to offend?"

Such a dangerous concept, I can never let it go without response. Whether or not speech is offensive to a person or group of people should never be a consideration for regulating speech. extortion and threats of violence are crimes that harm people and infringe on their freedoms. There is no right to not be offended, nor should there be.