please please people stop watching Fox news, it is not news, it is not fair and it is not balanced, it is clear manipulation of the public and has nothing to back up it's claims.
@ThePelicans44 Backing up your journalism with facts and evidence is objective. These two provide these truths with integrity. Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are some of the best on TV.
@MrHollywood2177 Get your facts right. He got suspended because it is unprofessional for people to become biased by contributing. Olberman made a mistake and paid his price. Fox has no such rules. They can back anyone they want and it is never reported so no one knows their bias. And that is why they are not considered news.
@RN4fostercare Got "news" for you, they're number one. If you want to see bias, then do any number of searches on any number of topics on LexisNexis. You'll see some true bias and maybe wake up out of your dream world. But I'm quite sure you're not intellectually honest enough to admit how completely wrong you are!!!
oh FOX fake terrorist news is so full of shit.. Bush had all those right wing media people in the white house meetings never in his administration did he have a real meeting ..it was all right wing psychos..so FOX fake news assholes need to STFU
Honestly, how the hell does any administration have the right to bias our media and embed them with propaganda? All major networks are guilty of this cardinal sin, as the media should be the third estate and not for the state. By going to our government as they are doing, they are effectively cutting away any sort of integrity that corporate media has (i know it's an oxymoron)
i will like to post my comment for keith obermann. i would like so much if my husband can meet keith. David loves the grounds keith olbermann walks on. i can't say anyhing to him when keith is on tv. My husband would like so much to meet keith. I think he will cry.... thnaks Ms graham
wow - with 2 whole years experience as a radio host you didn't get invited to the white house? what a travisty of justice - oh yea, now I remember Bush waging war on MSNBC, sorry Rachel that they "didn't do much" with you guys - this entire clip is just crying - if ACORN was not a story then where is ACORN now? now that was riveting - I love it. Take care all.
@seahil Look, I hate Rachel, but you TOTALLY missed her valid point. She wasn't crying at all. She was mocking all the crying by Fox News. She was pointing out that the liberals were frozen out by Bush, so Fox News should play fair and stop whining and shut up when given a taste of their own medicine. They act like this is unprecedented, when Bush did the exact same thing. Maddow is pointing out the facts.
"Towards the end" and "We were frozen out at the end"..You said it Maddow. You call Helen Thomas soft balls? Besides all this MSNBC is one of the if not the lowest rated cable news out their, especially at that time. Who would bother going on that network? I agree Keith, running cartoons would probably get better ratings.
i agree with what maddow said...but as I've said time and time again it would be much better and much more respectable/creditable if they (especially olbermann) had opposing points of view on their shows...
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Hi Im Rachel Maddow and I dont have an agendablah blah and did I mention Im gay? Blah blah and did I mention I am gay? Blah blah blah and like I said Im gay (thanks for clearing that one up). Blah blah and did I mention I am not tolerant of any ideas opposed to mine? Blah blah I know I said earlier that I am gay. Blah blah blah and yes as I think I mentioned I am gay blah blah blah. Oh and did I mention my ratings are piss poor, but MSNBC will not fire me becauseyes because I am gay
Karl"Nut Bag Head"Rove is one of the biggest phonies in the world,and them Demons of Fox and Friends{no friends of mine} will lie on they're just to get a lie across.The people that run Fox Fixed News are racist like Rupert"The Devil"Murdoch and Roger"The Willie Horton Ad man"Aisles and the truth aint in them.
Michael (the Golden Turkey Award) Medved? Right Wing? That Medved? Okay - I will take the Left Wing and that is one Turkey that aint going fly anymore.
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Clinton was a draft dodger too, and the media war with Bush didn't start until after his first term unlike Obama where started after the first couple weeks. Getting the facts straight i Rachel Maddow should watch her old shows about numerous issues and stories. Overbite can't believe you are accussing the right for manipulate the news when for years CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS doning all tis time.
I want to pray for everyone today. May the Lord bless you all and keep you. May he make his face to shine upon you, and give you his peace that surpasses all understanding. I know that He is the righteous King and ruler of the universe no matter what schemes that evil men devise. When He comes, He will reward everyone in righteousness according to their works, and He is the only one that will give us peace. I pray His peace comes upon everyone no matter who you are.
Keith Olbermann made his notariety by attacking O'Reilly rather than report news. He alleges his show is a "newscast", it hardly is, it is a propaganda machine.
I ain't saying Fox News is not a propaganda machine, but it does not devote half of its time attacking its competition.
Keith will implode with MSNBC, just as he did at ESPN and Fox Sports, he is too much of a narcissist not to implode.
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Reni'sJohn#12270.
You must be one of those brain-dead O'BamaBots! Keith(BEND)OverMan and Rachel MANish are NOT reporters.... they give THEIR opinions and they twist stories... to help the Left side!
And by the by.... it is NOT people listening to Rush who threaten O'BoutMe... it is all the people who are LOSING theirs jobs and homes, who O'Poligy needs to worry about!
Keith will be fired, when O'Reilly retires, because his whole show is about DISAGREEING with Bill!!! LOL!
@renijohn012270 E$xactly! They "DEBUNK" right wing propganda. Propanda like: MSNBC is an opion news show. NO MSNBC is a NEWS show first and if an opinionj is given then it is only AFTER the facts are given FIRST!
@renijohn012270 Wow. Can you believe the number of times that Obama has had his life threatened because of Fox News? What's it up to 50 times a week now?
The subject is analysis of the BO Admin [by FNC], and how BO favors favorable media coverage & commentators--NOT anything about the W Admin.
Girlie is changing the subject.
How can she miss the fact that media should be critical of government, especially when so many freedoms are going & economic destruction is getting worse.
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Scottit,
You've got to remember, that George Soros is one of the owners of NBC... and he has made his money by destroying countries economy! There are some places, he is not allowed to go. Soros uses NBC to make people think, that the economy is hurting... and as the saying goes... "If you say it enough times, people will start to believe it"! Soros waits for the Stock Market to tank, so he can buy LOW!
NBC talked down the economy, to get a Dem back in the White House!
Rachel, you may have a PhD but where is your research? I have searched the various journal search engines, and I cannot find anything that you have published in a journal. To those of you who think Rachel Maddow is the most brialliant PhD in the world, it shows how dumb you are for not asking the basic question: what research has she done?
Maddow seems to "get it" in the sense of realizing that going to a private meeting in the White House the same week Obama goes aftterfox makes her look like a lap dog.Olbermann,always weighed down by his own ego,however....they BOTH should have realized their reputations would be damaged and that .whatever Fox's leanings, appearing to facilitate the exclusion of an administration's poitical 'enemy' in the Media ,was unprofessional and showed a lack of integrity;
Turn back on the teleprompters. These two aren't quite smarmy enough when they don't have their writers propping them up, though they try their best...
What? Bush tried to get around the intent of the Bill of Rights? Par for the course.
what does bush have to do with this?? lol.seriously,democrat or republican,you all know that bush was pretty much even with all news in terms of interviews and other things.while obama seems to have never been criticized before,and it annoys him.HELLO!! youre the president!! getting attacked is a daily thing!! you dont go to war with a station that has a different opinion,especially after running your campaign saying you'll be open to other ideas.i dont care about party but this is crazy.
I think a lot of people, both republican and democrat will agree the Bush was just plain old retarded and not cool. So using him as an excuse is almost like blaming the chicken for laying the egg.
Sheesh, Olbermann and Maddow make me want to become a republican.
What a piece of shit this woman is. They go to a meeting with Lord Obama and she just attacks Bush as a defense. Your false left-right paradigm is not working.
Ok - explain this to me again. forget whether or not you like or hate her. Observe the facts only. Did Bush not have those meetings with conservative talk show hosts? Did he not exclude liberals? Did they not admit to paying spokespersons to drum up stories? Didn't the former press sec. admit that they did little interviews with MSNBC? and finally, isn't Glen Beck crazy? Okay, I take back that one. But seriously isn't he?
Oralpita, I don't drink beer. I only ingest Jagermeister. Sorry I messed up your screen name, I am only a dumb fuck, but man these hot wings are tasty!
Obama (thin skin) will pretend to be friends of Keith and Rachel until they actually question his decisions like the rest of America is doing. He is using you... just like he used ACORN for illegal votes. Then the Chicago style coruption will come out as they throw both of you screaming under the bus.
As I've said to every retard who posts this nonsense--find a SINGLE example of an illegal vote being cast. Post a link, cite a source, I bet you won't ever do it.
ACORN does not register voters. They send lists of people who want to register to agencies that then confirm the identity of the names on that list.
No one, no where, cast an illegal vote because their name appeared on a list submitted by ACORN. Stop making up bullshit conspiracy theories.
Maybe you're right. But man! Acorn sure knows how to give advice to prostitutes on how to set up a business and avoid taxes. They also really help on topics like bringing into the country under age sex slaves, and how the pimp can claim them as dependents on his taxes! Come on Tea Baggin' Blake. You are defending the wrong group of parasites.
Ted Bundy was a enthusiastic member of the republican party. Using the ACORN rationale, an organization is both responsible for and takes on the characteristics of each and every one of its employees.
Thus I can conclude that the Republican party supports the murder of young women as well as disgusting rituals with their bodies.
Who cares if it was just one republican who did all that? It's the ACORN rule.
but you miss the entire point of it....do you know how much money and work time was wasted in having to verify all the fraudulent forms they filled out.....?
Well, first ACORN goes through and takes out all the joke names, like people who sign the form "Mickey Mouse." They have to report every instance of that to the voting board, which is why you even know about it. The voting board then takes the list and calls people or sends letters. It's incredibly inexpensive so no money was wasted. Ever group, democrat or republican, trying to register voters does the exact same thing.
There is no scandal, it's a bunch of made up nonsense.
i think youre wrong here, i saw two women on tv who worked in a place were the registrations were sorted through, they were NOT from acorn...and they were pissed at having to go through all the fake forms..
And with one simple question I can show that full of it: where is your proof?
But I'll play your game. Let's assume you're correct and ACORN sent lists the voter board with tons of fake names on them. So what? It's those women's job to vet the forms and insure the identities. How dare we make them do their job.
You've now gone from ACORN stole the election to ACORN made a couple of women I saw on tv angry.
jesus, take a fucking chill pill, you liberals are so easy to rattle.....usually kneejerk emotional reactions to anyone who dare question anything related to acorn and obama.... i think if YOU had to sort through all the fake forms , youd be more than pissed off..
How am I rattled? I've answered all your questions directly. Just because you're getting upset at how little information you have to support your twisted views doesn't mean you can project them onto me.
And if I didn't like going through forms to confirm the identity of voters, I'd probably do something other than a job that required me to go through forms confirming the identity of voters.
But right, I'm the one operating on emotion. In comparison to the awesome facts you've shared...
once again, you miss the entire point...the workers shouldnt have HAD to go through the fake forms that the liars who work for acorn had provided....youll be a wonderful communist..i hope your piece of government cheese sustains you...
1) You have not established your claim, you've offered no support.
2) Yes, the workers should have to go through those forms. Because we live in a democracy, the right to vote is sacred. ACORN sent people to collect names. If people put fake names on that list, so be it. It is more beneficial to our country to allow the people who legitimately put their name on the sheet to vote than it is to save some workers a little effort.
But you jumped the shark. You have nothing to offer.
So you feel good that an organization that has registered over a million new voters mostly in troubled areas is being destroyed by a host of vicious lies? This pleases you?
But of course we could end all this by going to a same-day registration system. I wonder which party would get pissy about that...
what im happy about is that the light of day has exposed the fraud that this TAX payer supported agency has been perpetuating daily has finally caught up to it.....they should have stayed true to their original cause instead of trying to get into the political arena....
Sigh, but that's exactly the point: no fraud was commited.
If you're really worried about fraud, you should be spending your time attacking defense contractors that have defrauded the government hundreds of times over the last decade resulting in hundreds of billions of dollars taken from tax payers.
But I'm sure the couple of postage stamps that were wasted when ACORN submitted a list where a joker wrote down a false name is a MUCH bigger problem.
oh dont even get me started on the defense contractors.....they all need to be shot, or forced to take showers in the shower stalls they insist are safe for our troops.....greedy fuckers... and goldman sachs???? needs to be imploded, now....
sure we are, probably way more than anyone in congress or the senate...to me, the whole thing stems down to personal honesty....and accountability.. those are the things that alot of americans seem to be throwing away just to make money...id rather be poor and honest instead of rich and dishonest.. now ive got those defense contractors on the brain....lol....
This is why I think the whole ACORN issue is just a distraction. There are very real actions Obama is taking that I find objectionable--the no strings attached bank bailouts being the biggest.
I find it hard to believe that less than 75% of the country thinks it's a good idea to dump tax-payer money into bonuses for executives who demolished the economy.
But we're fractured over issues like ACORN, birth certificates, and other nonsense that just has nothing to do with real concerns.
my problem with ACORN was they seemed more interested in playing the victim of a fox news plot, than admitting that nationwide they have serious problems in hiring and supervision... and what sucks about the bailouts is that the executive pay levels wont change...theyll just shift HOW theyre paid...they should have let them fail, and other well run companies would have swooped in and taken over....it was a real chance to teach wall street a lesson, and it didnt happen.
Look, I worked on the Obama campaign and that involved close cooperation with ACORN in Gary, Indiana, and Cincinnati, Ohio.
It's a mess of an organization. They paid the registration people by the name so they just filled out the sheets with made-up stuff that the ACORN higher ups cleared out. It wasn't a big deal, but they're incompetent, I'll never argue otherwise.
But I think if you actually saw them in action you would have NO FEARS that they were capable of anything serious.
lol.....you make them sound like the bad news bears....... i just watched a show where someone commented about how the executive pay is being capped at companies that took tarp money....and the guy said that theyll still get their money, theyll just get deferred compensation and stock.....what bullshit...they should have their assets seized for almost putting the country into a depression..
100% right, Keith and Rachel. These silly conservatives must have immediately forgotten the previous administration's attack on MSNBC, while the Obama white house just stated the fact that FoxNews is fixed just for conservos w/ fake facts and all.
Here's the bottom line. The commentators on FOX express a point of view and then VIGOROUSLY DEBATE THE OPPOSITION. Maddow and Olbermann on the other hand express a point of view and then bring in other far left-wing nutjobs to support their points. When is the last time you ever saw these two clowns take on a conservative in an actual debate? Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck debate the opposition while Olbermann and Maddow debate NO ONE. HA! HA! HA!
i agree, did you see joy behar try to take on ann coulter......every other sentence out of redbush's mouth was "well, bush did this" we'll be hearing , "well bush did this 3 years from now" its pretty pathetic..
marriage should be the "religious" aspect of a civil union...and that would solve it all.... but lets not get nonsensical with people marrying animals...thats just degrading to anyone in a committed relationship, both gay and straight.
I know why marrying animals is immoral from my Christian worldview. But why do you have a problem with it? The liberal worldview is relativistic, having no transcendental laws of morality. Liberal morality is not fixed but is ever-changing. Furthermore, liberals often point to history to justify gay marriage. Well, there were marriages between humans & animals in the past, as well as incestuous marriages. Surely they were "committed". And shouldn't you be non-judgmental & be more "progressive"?
well, without getting into christianity, which is a fine religion....i think the issue of CONSENT is involved here, no??? and i dont think a horse( other than Mr. Ed) would be able to say..."with this ring, i thee wed" now, as far as the incestuous marriages thing goes, we know that any children born out of those marriages tend to turn out bad, just look to the state of kentucky for proof.....see, no judgement, just empirical evidence...
Let me explain: if someone can arbitrarily define marriage, its rules can be arbitrarily defined as well. In other words, why should you retain the old rules of marriage where there's consent? Why must it be with only one human? Why not polygamy or polyamory also? After all, marriage is merely a social convention for liberals. And even if child deformities are true, it doesn't quite answer the question why incestuous couples cannot be married if they are in a "loving & fulfilling relationship".
yes, but its the right and christians in particular who are the ones trying to DEFINE marriage as between a man and woman... but i would assume that EVERYONE would agree that consent has to be a part of it....and that the SACRAMENT of marriage should be separate from the state idea of a civil union... if the state of marriage is in danger, its only because of the people who are currently allowed to marry, not those outside who cannot.. with divorce rates approaching nearly 50%???
I suggest you read the discussion between waltermh111 & me below. I think you're confusing me for a social conservative. I'm not. I would fall into the libertarian camp. I believe anyone can define marriage anywhere he want as long as he doesn't force his definition onto others. I believe marriage & civil unions as legal institutions should be abolished & be left to the free market. I believe all anti-discrimination & hate crime laws be abolished & everyone be free to discriminate on any basis.
Also, I advise you do not view conservative Christianity as a monolithic entity. Yes, I'm theologically conservative & I believe the Bible is inerrant. There are conservative Christians who believe the church should not use the power of the state to coerce people. I believe social conservatives are wrong in doing so. However, this doesn't mean the Bible can't be used in the public square. Individuals in a free society should be able to use any arguments they choose, and this includes the Bible.
That would be incorrect, although I'll view anarchism as an extreme left-wing form of libertarianism. Anarchists advocate the abolition of the state, private property, & capitalism. I don't. I believe in limited government, private property rights, & laissez-faire economics. I might be called a right-libertarian. We're suspicious of any Orwellian government attempt to regulate our speech & thoughts, such as through anti-discrimination & hate crime laws.
Far from it. In fact, I would assert that my view of the relation between church & culture is quite historic, going back to Augustine (354-430) & John Calvin (1509-1564). The church, in its early history & before the Constantinian shift, has never tried to "Christianize" culture. If you're really interested, try googling "A Two-Kingdom Social Theory" & click on the link that's hosted on the 1st hit i.e. covopc. There are many theological essays there discussing the role of the church in culture.
I don't mind at all that Obama met with Olbermann and Maddow. Bush did it too. Where I do have a problem was when Obama doesn't allow them to ask questions during conferences.
Quoting science again as if you know something about it! Besides, a poll (BS that it was) does not lead to a scientific conclusion that Fox is not biased.
Anyone who is rational knows that Fox and MSNBC pick and choose arguments that can easily be consilidated into sound bytes.
And I know absolutely no one who would claim Fox to be the least biased.
MSNBC is not news, it is the propaganda wing of the democrat party. Olbermann and Maddow would make Goebbels blush. All scientific studies have shown Fox to be the most accurate and fair news network on television and the American people know it.
Rofl. Can you cite one? MSNBC has a fleet of right-wingers: Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, that Republican strategist in their prime-time lineup. Maddow can her PhD, there is no comparing her to Hannity or Beck.
The difference between Bush meeting with right wing media and Obama with the left is that Bush never told people don't watch Rachel Maddow. Don't want MSNBC. Don't listen to Dan Rather. That would never have been tolerated then and it shouldn't be now.
There are some shows on Fox I don't like and don't watch. However, That's my decision not the White House.
the point is that unlike any of the other major news networks, ONLY fox is funding protests against our current administration. it is not accurate to treat them as an actual news network. the white house is just publicaly making that distinction because it has become far to obvious lately.
actually you are wrong. they are all in part sponsored by fox news. that's not me saying it. it's a proven fact. and of coarse maddow gives her opinion. the problem with fox is not that they have an opinion. it's that they have an agenda. an anti obama agenda. you can foolishly deny that all you want but again, these are proven facts, not opinions. do some research before you respond please. i don't feel like wasting my time informing you.
excuse me, but maddow and olberman certainly had an anti-bush agenda...play fair here....every bush misstep was jumped on by these 2 cretins of the so called news, cnn..
You don't need to inform me. The liberal media was after Bush constantly. Fox a conservative network and of course does not like the Obama/liberal policies.
You cannot prove all tea parties are all in part sponsored by Fox. My sister helped in organizing a tea party and Fox was in no way participated. Quit believing everything MSNBC tells you. Maybe you need to watch Fox to stay informed.
Holy fuck, the media was so cowed by teh Bush administration that they didn't bother to say a damn thing about the nonsense they were spewing in the lead up to the Iraq investigation. The New York Times was printing front-page stories declaring the location of WMD (all info they got from Chalabi).
The media didn't turn on Dubya until well into his second term.
They never said that. Find me a quotation from Obama saying 'don't watch Fox,' or even from an advisor to him. Did you not see Bush call the NYT times guy a major leauge asshole? You will not find anything close to that from Obama. You are blind to reality.
and drown in it! becuase that is what ou are doing to yourselfs! the rest of the world mocks you, they dont look up to you or revere you at least the first world, the third world is still fooled by your BS-but you dont want them right. well thanks to bush you well get a fair exchange rate right LOL..
hahahaha - keep crying ,,its a bitch when you come to our country thinking you're going to find money laying on the ground,and when you get here,,you find out you have actually have to work for a living.LOL Chances are you got denied an extension on your stay and they shipped you back. oh and who gives a shit if you now think the whole world mocks the US. They ALL still want to come here ,BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW THIS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD once the socialist Obama is finally OUT.
if you look at the numbers of people from the third world wanting to get into usa and all other advanced western countries I think you would find numbers very similar
You stupid right wing Americans! I spent ten years in the USA and you know what i didnt like it I didnt like you calling on God at the drop of a hat ,or when you scored a TD it just silly and belittling...although i do love the football. so like you say if you dont like it why dont you just leave well i did and im glad for it -have your bigoted right wing bible bashing narrow minded ignorant we are the centre of the world attitude all to yourself s
Anyone notice that this H1N1 is totally owned and totally miss managed by this administration. I remember when Bush was under unrelenting attack over the avian flue, which by way never materialized, because he didn't spend billions on a vaccine that had no way of working because the flue hadn't hadn't morphed into a human born disease.
A supposed proffesional saying " Bush did it first!" is a very poor example of journalism....even for msnbc. By the way Oberman and his metro-sexual glasses need to use the word Fricken' less to gain any respect from intelligent people. Cheers!
well, with what passes as education these days in the united states, with mostly liberal asshole professors who grade people higher for being liberal minded like themselves, i think your criticism here is hollow.. and who the fucks spell checks on youtube???? get a life...
Okay so you are going to insult our education system and AND THEN COMPLAIN about spell checking online!!!
LOL you are hilarious! It's funny because i called him a hypocrite and then you say my criticism is hollow that i called him a hypocrite! I love you guys. The more you open your mouth the more stupid you sound. Please keep talking. No seriously, please keep talking.
typical libtard, just full of himself...my complaint about the education system is that were breeding a bunch of "my emotional feelings are more important than facts" types..quite like yourself.... i think theres a valium prescription waiting for you at CVS....hurry, please....you need to chill..
Okay i don't think you do so i'm going to educate you.
I insulted this guy for calling himself intelligent while he couldn't spell. You came to his rescue by taking a shot at how bad our education system anyway. THEN telling me to get a life for even caring about spelling.
Do you know how stupid you sound?
I"m an emotional feelings type!? What the hell are you talking about?
Hilarious. You are just throwing something against the wall at this point.
you need to get a life and a some good meds.... first, on youtube people are usually typing very quickly and are bound to make keystroke errors and then notice it after they post it....you dont like him because he disagrees with your liberal agenda and so its easier for you to discredit him for making a typo... my point about education is that unless you agree with your tree hugging liberal professssssor, oops should i speel chek to make you happy ??, then your grade will be lower..
Dude you keep backtracking on the education thing it's hilarious. Now all teachers are liberals? Wow, you are really throwing stuff against the wall. Talk about generalizations.
All you can do is throw insults thinking that they effectively argue your point. When in fact all they do is make you look a so many close-minded republicans. I wonder why that's the stereotype? Ron Paul is the exception, he's smart!
You obviously never got a quality education if you think education is that subjective.
i went to saint josephs college in philadelphia back in 1985 and most of my teachers were very liberal, odd , considering its a catholic school....i had a sociology teacher, who was basically a worthless wit, and to get a good grade all you had to do was parrot back her liberal rantings.... i got an A with literally NO effort at all.....we had one iraqi student who presented very conservative views and he got a C+... so i speak from experience...this country needs more people in trade schools.
My name is Chrisrei10 and i DID get a quality education! This, in turn, allows me to make crass generalizations about the whole education system! Since i got a degree 25 years ago my opinion still carries merit. I will even give you a few examples of a dumb sociology teacher! See how smart i am!
Ladies & Gentleman, i think I've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that our education system is in shambles because every teacher is a liberal.
Therefore we shouldn't criticize people's grammar errors.
you really are a typical liberal....so i guess since obama got his degree how long ago, it carries no merit as well right, or michelle obama, or all the supreme court justices....oh wait, i guess if they babble the liberal babble, it counts as intelligent....
LOL,man you just don't get it. I don't even enjoy talking down to you anymore, isn't that sad?
Okay kiddo, the simple fact that you were in school 25 years ago and had a shitty teacher means nothing. That doesn't prove you know anything about anything. "Oh look at me! I had a liberal teacher, that's why our education system was so bad. If we had more teachers that didn't believe in evolution our education system would be better!"
i dont need a refund, i had a full scholarship....and i believe in evolution...what i DONT believe in is teachers who grade students higher for agreeing with them rather than thinking for themselves....but that seems to be endemic in the school systems today...as long as everyone has high self esteem , nothing else matters....which is why we have to hear about the many losers that the public school systems turn out....they have 4th grade reading levels and cant find new york on a map,
blah blah blah. Not all education is that subjective, stop making ridiculous generalizations because it just makes you sound dumb. "But that seems to be endemic in the school systems today."
And you know this how? The funny thing is you & I both know you were wrong to blame our education system on liberal teachers. But you keep holding on refusing to give up an inch all while telling me your life story as a way of lending credibility. "I graduated in the top 10% in my high school class."
well, im speaking from MY experience with not only attending college, but living within walking distance of 3 colleges in philadelphia....and what i hear come out of "college" educated minds is pretty frightening.
and by the way you liberal dipshit....you spelled bigot as BIGGOT... ding dong the witch is dead......and youre the one jumping to conclusions that this guy is anti-gay....ever hear of log cabin republicans?????? not every gay person is in obamas pocket...
Keep the insults coming. The spelling correction proves my point. I spelled it wrong. That's the difference.
But wait, there's the hypocrisy again. You are correcting my spelling. So which one is it? I have to 'get a life' for telling him he spelled professional wrong but you're perfectly within your right to correct me?
It's cool. You seem like one of those stubborn right-wingers who has to get the last word. Which is great since i'm enjoying this.
well, first off, i didnt say anything about your spelling error at first because , honestly, who gives a shit??? BUT you attacked another poster , which made you fair game....
Well it's a shame your boyfriend needs his daddy to stick up after him. How's that working for you? Is the highlight of your day patrolling the internet sticking up for your boyfriends?
I just want to let you know that i am honored to be debating you. You are without question the smartest person i have ever met. Your parents must be so proud.
well, if you call twisting my words to fit your arguments debating, than i guess I should be honored... i graduated 40 out of 400 in my high school and got fed up with college the 2nd year..i had a hero scholarship, which they give to children of policemen killed in the line of duty...and my mom died in my second year of college...so id say they werent proud because i didnt finish.. i had to work full time and the rules of the scholarship were you had to go to school full time as well..
I'm twisting your words? HA. You are trying to wiggle out of that corner you put yourself in.
Life story time again?
"Hey go crawl into Joy's uterus"
"BTW i graduated in the top 10% got a full scholarship, my mom died i had to make ends meet. blah blah blah."
Man you are all over the place.
I have to say if you did graduated 10% in your class 25 years ago then we indeed have come a LONG way. Thank you for restoring my faith in the education system.
@bradinmt1960 no.. whats "brilliant!" is your ability to dismiss facts as some sort of blame "game" used by the left. i see you wear your ignorance proudly on ur sleeves, please tell us.. what did mean by "somehow.." ?
I simply mean, Oberman, Maddow, and other dough heads like you consistently bring up what Bush did. I mean, you should be able to win an argument without saying things like " Well Bush did it too!" Don't you know that two wrongs don't make a right? Don't assume that all conservatives agreed with Bush on every issue either. I will look forward to seeing your comments when America flatly rejects B.O. after the next election.
oh believe me, this will be the war cry of the democrats for the next few years....when their healthcare reform implodes, itll be bush's fault...just like that nasty hurrican that he personally steered into new orleans....
Maddow had no audience in talk radio and doesn't' have one at MSNBC. Bush never boycotted any news outlet. Obama is a thin skinned coward. Like Carter, he will be a one term president and the butt of jokes for years to come
Obama is not boycotting Fox. He just made the point that when when Roger Ailes, Nixon's propaganda man is running a network and commentators are handed Republican talking points to read, and they are organizing anti-Obama rallies, and spreading lies about Madrasas and such, they will be called out. Bush actually did freeze out networks. Did you not just hear in the clip that he didn't grant a single interview to the NYT, the most reputable newspaper in the U.S., and that they froze out MSNBC.
Obama attempted to freeze out Fox but the other networks wouldn't stand for it so they had to relent. Fox never organized an anti Obama rally, or follow Republican talking points, When you get your news from Maddow and MSNBC, you can bet it will be wrong.
@righttoright1 Small minded like you? You wish you had millions of dollars given to you for your opinions.
thedocumentarian 1 month ago
they were so cute together
grauekatze 5 months ago
Msnbc hates people who tell the other side of the story.
snarf325 6 months ago
please please people stop watching Fox news, it is not news, it is not fair and it is not balanced, it is clear manipulation of the public and has nothing to back up it's claims.
the1tigglet 7 months ago
msnbc is terrible and this lady sucks. this is one of the most dishonest shows on tv
ThePelicans44 7 months ago
@ThePelicans44 Backing up your journalism with facts and evidence is objective. These two provide these truths with integrity. Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are some of the best on TV.
rockyrigby 7 months ago
Liberal Salmon good one
ExodusPessoa 7 months ago
@MrHollywood2177 Get your facts right. He got suspended because it is unprofessional for people to become biased by contributing. Olberman made a mistake and paid his price. Fox has no such rules. They can back anyone they want and it is never reported so no one knows their bias. And that is why they are not considered news.
RN4fostercare 11 months ago
@RN4fostercare Got "news" for you, they're number one. If you want to see bias, then do any number of searches on any number of topics on LexisNexis. You'll see some true bias and maybe wake up out of your dream world. But I'm quite sure you're not intellectually honest enough to admit how completely wrong you are!!!
Monteytey 10 months ago
I HATE HIPPIES!!!
NEVERLEAVEORFORSAKE 1 year ago
oh FOX fake terrorist news is so full of shit.. Bush had all those right wing media people in the white house meetings never in his administration did he have a real meeting ..it was all right wing psychos..so FOX fake news assholes need to STFU
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
Admit that MSNBC is just as biased as Fox News. Stop acting like you, and the network you're on don't have your own agenda.
Everyone has their own agenda. Fox News isn't new. They're just doing what you do from a different point of view. And that really pisses you off.
625switch 1 year ago
Honestly, how the hell does any administration have the right to bias our media and embed them with propaganda? All major networks are guilty of this cardinal sin, as the media should be the third estate and not for the state. By going to our government as they are doing, they are effectively cutting away any sort of integrity that corporate media has (i know it's an oxymoron)
viletree 1 year ago
she looks like a lesbo
chiliconcarne2006 1 year ago
@chiliconcarne2006 She is a lesbo
donttelluseenme 1 year ago
@donttelluseenme Does that bother you?
RealTime88 10 months ago
i will like to post my comment for keith obermann. i would like so much if my husband can meet keith. David loves the grounds keith olbermann walks on. i can't say anyhing to him when keith is on tv. My husband would like so much to meet keith. I think he will cry.... thnaks Ms graham
msphyllisbland 1 year ago
wow - with 2 whole years experience as a radio host you didn't get invited to the white house? what a travisty of justice - oh yea, now I remember Bush waging war on MSNBC, sorry Rachel that they "didn't do much" with you guys - this entire clip is just crying - if ACORN was not a story then where is ACORN now? now that was riveting - I love it. Take care all.
seahil 1 year ago
@seahil Look, I hate Rachel, but you TOTALLY missed her valid point. She wasn't crying at all. She was mocking all the crying by Fox News. She was pointing out that the liberals were frozen out by Bush, so Fox News should play fair and stop whining and shut up when given a taste of their own medicine. They act like this is unprecedented, when Bush did the exact same thing. Maddow is pointing out the facts.
Pwells1 1 year ago
These two are revolting.
bullirish 1 year ago
"Towards the end" and "We were frozen out at the end"..You said it Maddow. You call Helen Thomas soft balls? Besides all this MSNBC is one of the if not the lowest rated cable news out their, especially at that time. Who would bother going on that network? I agree Keith, running cartoons would probably get better ratings.
DanMonDab 1 year ago
Both sides are biased. the system is fucked up
PowerSprinter 1 year ago
Obama has never been on Fox News.......he's to thin skinned..
judy1270jj 1 year ago
@judy1270jj He has been on Fox News. Oreilly did a lengthy interview with him.
philliesphan93 1 year ago
@judy1270jj Obama has been on Fox News. He was interviewed by O'Reilly, a whole episode worth, while he was running against McCain.
Pwells1 1 year ago
I think Keith has a crush on Rachel. He doesn't care she's a lesbian. That probably makes him like her more.
dtwnlatina86 1 year ago
Doesn't Hannity in his show's play down Obama on just about everything and make Bush look golden... How about that.
lic2kil007 1 year ago
Olberman is such a crybaby! He needs to man up like Rachel.
stafflvr 1 year ago
i agree with what maddow said...but as I've said time and time again it would be much better and much more respectable/creditable if they (especially olbermann) had opposing points of view on their shows...
cshoem3793 1 year ago
if it was true then why werent they at the meeting? he only includes the right wingers when it is at his convenience...
treyd2288 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow kick ass
queenginbell 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow is hot.
Pippiok 1 year ago
Too bad for you, she's gay
Socinus 1 year ago
@Pippiok hot in a sick disgusting way
wheelmaster176 1 year ago
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Hi Im Rachel Maddow and I dont have an agendablah blah and did I mention Im gay? Blah blah and did I mention I am gay? Blah blah blah and like I said Im gay (thanks for clearing that one up). Blah blah and did I mention I am not tolerant of any ideas opposed to mine? Blah blah I know I said earlier that I am gay. Blah blah blah and yes as I think I mentioned I am gay blah blah blah. Oh and did I mention my ratings are piss poor, but MSNBC will not fire me becauseyes because I am gay
owatadikiam 1 year ago
Karl"Nut Bag Head"Rove is one of the biggest phonies in the world,and them Demons of Fox and Friends{no friends of mine} will lie on they're just to get a lie across.The people that run Fox Fixed News are racist like Rupert"The Devil"Murdoch and Roger"The Willie Horton Ad man"Aisles and the truth aint in them.
mightyblack1 1 year ago 3
Michael (the Golden Turkey Award) Medved? Right Wing? That Medved? Okay - I will take the Left Wing and that is one Turkey that aint going fly anymore.
Golden Turkey How apt!
RaleighDawlishRaynar 1 year ago
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hey, this is funny. If you combine both, they even each other out!
Rachel Maddow's abnormally high testosterone levels balance out Keith Olbermann's lack of balls.
antiviking07 2 years ago
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Clinton was a draft dodger too, and the media war with Bush didn't start until after his first term unlike Obama where started after the first couple weeks. Getting the facts straight i Rachel Maddow should watch her old shows about numerous issues and stories. Overbite can't believe you are accussing the right for manipulate the news when for years CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS doning all tis time.
lovejen01 2 years ago
The sight of that fat draft-dodger Rove just made me laugh.
curvalecce 2 years ago 19
It's Bush's fault!
rkoliver1 2 years ago 3
I want to pray for everyone today. May the Lord bless you all and keep you. May he make his face to shine upon you, and give you his peace that surpasses all understanding. I know that He is the righteous King and ruler of the universe no matter what schemes that evil men devise. When He comes, He will reward everyone in righteousness according to their works, and He is the only one that will give us peace. I pray His peace comes upon everyone no matter who you are.
mrraydean68 2 years ago
Keith Olbermann made his notariety by attacking O'Reilly rather than report news. He alleges his show is a "newscast", it hardly is, it is a propaganda machine.
I ain't saying Fox News is not a propaganda machine, but it does not devote half of its time attacking its competition.
Keith will implode with MSNBC, just as he did at ESPN and Fox Sports, he is too much of a narcissist not to implode.
mrjiveyjr 2 years ago 2
@mrjiveyjr You're making shit up!
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy My statement is accurate
mrjiveyjr 1 year ago
How can Fox News blame others of being bias?
That to me is just silly nonsense. Keith and Rachel are opinion reporters who basically are here to debunk right wing propaganda.
We need them to expose the lies, the mistruths and twisted interpretation of reality they spew.
If I were to just listen to Fox News and right wing radio, I might be ready to buy a gun and threaten to kill Obama!
But I am not so I need Rachel to make me not the only one who thinks Fox is right wing nutts!
renijohn012270 2 years ago 33
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Reni'sJohn#12270.
You must be one of those brain-dead O'BamaBots! Keith(BEND)OverMan and Rachel MANish are NOT reporters.... they give THEIR opinions and they twist stories... to help the Left side!
And by the by.... it is NOT people listening to Rush who threaten O'BoutMe... it is all the people who are LOSING theirs jobs and homes, who O'Poligy needs to worry about!
Keith will be fired, when O'Reilly retires, because his whole show is about DISAGREEING with Bill!!! LOL!
EmmaLG3 2 years ago
@EmmaLG3 O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck...they're all opinion commentators too. So...what's your point exactly?
Pwells1 1 year ago
@renijohn012270 E$xactly! They "DEBUNK" right wing propganda. Propanda like: MSNBC is an opion news show. NO MSNBC is a NEWS show first and if an opinionj is given then it is only AFTER the facts are given FIRST!
rachelsOne 1 year ago
@renijohn012270 Wow. Can you believe the number of times that Obama has had his life threatened because of Fox News? What's it up to 50 times a week now?
625switch 1 year ago
The subject is analysis of the BO Admin [by FNC], and how BO favors favorable media coverage & commentators--NOT anything about the W Admin.
Girlie is changing the subject.
How can she miss the fact that media should be critical of government, especially when so many freedoms are going & economic destruction is getting worse.
Scottit 2 years ago
though how right is Fox news
RelaxingSin 2 years ago
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Scottit,
You've got to remember, that George Soros is one of the owners of NBC... and he has made his money by destroying countries economy! There are some places, he is not allowed to go. Soros uses NBC to make people think, that the economy is hurting... and as the saying goes... "If you say it enough times, people will start to believe it"! Soros waits for the Stock Market to tank, so he can buy LOW!
NBC talked down the economy, to get a Dem back in the White House!
EmmaLG3 2 years ago
Rachel, you may have a PhD but where is your research? I have searched the various journal search engines, and I cannot find anything that you have published in a journal. To those of you who think Rachel Maddow is the most brialliant PhD in the world, it shows how dumb you are for not asking the basic question: what research has she done?
tbabyyeah 2 years ago
Maddow seems to "get it" in the sense of realizing that going to a private meeting in the White House the same week Obama goes aftterfox makes her look like a lap dog.Olbermann,always weighed down by his own ego,however....they BOTH should have realized their reputations would be damaged and that .whatever Fox's leanings, appearing to facilitate the exclusion of an administration's poitical 'enemy' in the Media ,was unprofessional and showed a lack of integrity;
mrbriscoe2001 2 years ago 2
Turn back on the teleprompters. These two aren't quite smarmy enough when they don't have their writers propping them up, though they try their best...
What? Bush tried to get around the intent of the Bill of Rights? Par for the course.
qwertypipe 2 years ago
Hmmm...I suspect Rachel Maddow & Rahm Emanuel are in fact the same person. Anybody see them in the SAME room at the SAME time?
Natronmeansbizness 2 years ago
Sorry you 2 it was a response to some guy
ozzfreak1 2 years ago
what does bush have to do with this?? lol.seriously,democrat or republican,you all know that bush was pretty much even with all news in terms of interviews and other things.while obama seems to have never been criticized before,and it annoys him.HELLO!! youre the president!! getting attacked is a daily thing!! you dont go to war with a station that has a different opinion,especially after running your campaign saying you'll be open to other ideas.i dont care about party but this is crazy.
ProRican09 2 years ago
Fair and Balanced....Tea Parties will go on however, some will like the party, beltway wonks probably will not.....Free Country, still.
Love Ya Rachel
reefrunner9 2 years ago
so much for taking the high road.
I think a lot of people, both republican and democrat will agree the Bush was just plain old retarded and not cool. So using him as an excuse is almost like blaming the chicken for laying the egg.
Sheesh, Olbermann and Maddow make me want to become a republican.
valegorn 2 years ago
What a piece of shit this woman is. They go to a meeting with Lord Obama and she just attacks Bush as a defense. Your false left-right paradigm is not working.
infoexcavator 2 years ago
Ok - explain this to me again. forget whether or not you like or hate her. Observe the facts only. Did Bush not have those meetings with conservative talk show hosts? Did he not exclude liberals? Did they not admit to paying spokespersons to drum up stories? Didn't the former press sec. admit that they did little interviews with MSNBC? and finally, isn't Glen Beck crazy? Okay, I take back that one. But seriously isn't he?
mdmb5 2 years ago
you are all dumb fucks... we live in a dumb fuck nation...
go eat hot wings.. and drink your beer
and shut the fuck up
Othaepia 2 years ago
Oralpita, I don't drink beer. I only ingest Jagermeister. Sorry I messed up your screen name, I am only a dumb fuck, but man these hot wings are tasty!
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
bradinmt1960.....
i rest my case
Othaepia 2 years ago
Sometimes when I wake up after a night of heavy binge drinking, I feel the way Maddow looks. And it hurts deep inside.
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
Obama (thin skin) will pretend to be friends of Keith and Rachel until they actually question his decisions like the rest of America is doing. He is using you... just like he used ACORN for illegal votes. Then the Chicago style coruption will come out as they throw both of you screaming under the bus.
Bigmac8247 2 years ago
As I've said to every retard who posts this nonsense--find a SINGLE example of an illegal vote being cast. Post a link, cite a source, I bet you won't ever do it.
ACORN does not register voters. They send lists of people who want to register to agencies that then confirm the identity of the names on that list.
No one, no where, cast an illegal vote because their name appeared on a list submitted by ACORN. Stop making up bullshit conspiracy theories.
TBlake34 2 years ago
Maybe you're right. But man! Acorn sure knows how to give advice to prostitutes on how to set up a business and avoid taxes. They also really help on topics like bringing into the country under age sex slaves, and how the pimp can claim them as dependents on his taxes! Come on Tea Baggin' Blake. You are defending the wrong group of parasites.
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
Ted Bundy was a enthusiastic member of the republican party. Using the ACORN rationale, an organization is both responsible for and takes on the characteristics of each and every one of its employees.
Thus I can conclude that the Republican party supports the murder of young women as well as disgusting rituals with their bodies.
Who cares if it was just one republican who did all that? It's the ACORN rule.
TBlake34 2 years ago
but you miss the entire point of it....do you know how much money and work time was wasted in having to verify all the fraudulent forms they filled out.....?
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Well, first ACORN goes through and takes out all the joke names, like people who sign the form "Mickey Mouse." They have to report every instance of that to the voting board, which is why you even know about it. The voting board then takes the list and calls people or sends letters. It's incredibly inexpensive so no money was wasted. Ever group, democrat or republican, trying to register voters does the exact same thing.
There is no scandal, it's a bunch of made up nonsense.
TBlake34 2 years ago
i think youre wrong here, i saw two women on tv who worked in a place were the registrations were sorted through, they were NOT from acorn...and they were pissed at having to go through all the fake forms..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
And with one simple question I can show that full of it: where is your proof?
But I'll play your game. Let's assume you're correct and ACORN sent lists the voter board with tons of fake names on them. So what? It's those women's job to vet the forms and insure the identities. How dare we make them do their job.
You've now gone from ACORN stole the election to ACORN made a couple of women I saw on tv angry.
Wow, just wow.
TBlake34 2 years ago
jesus, take a fucking chill pill, you liberals are so easy to rattle.....usually kneejerk emotional reactions to anyone who dare question anything related to acorn and obama.... i think if YOU had to sort through all the fake forms , youd be more than pissed off..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
How am I rattled? I've answered all your questions directly. Just because you're getting upset at how little information you have to support your twisted views doesn't mean you can project them onto me.
And if I didn't like going through forms to confirm the identity of voters, I'd probably do something other than a job that required me to go through forms confirming the identity of voters.
But right, I'm the one operating on emotion. In comparison to the awesome facts you've shared...
TBlake34 2 years ago
once again, you miss the entire point...the workers shouldnt have HAD to go through the fake forms that the liars who work for acorn had provided....youll be a wonderful communist..i hope your piece of government cheese sustains you...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
1) You have not established your claim, you've offered no support.
2) Yes, the workers should have to go through those forms. Because we live in a democracy, the right to vote is sacred. ACORN sent people to collect names. If people put fake names on that list, so be it. It is more beneficial to our country to allow the people who legitimately put their name on the sheet to vote than it is to save some workers a little effort.
But you jumped the shark. You have nothing to offer.
TBlake34 2 years ago
well, the fact that Acorn is crumbling like the rotten nut that it is , is more than enough to make me all warm and fuzzy inside....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
So you feel good that an organization that has registered over a million new voters mostly in troubled areas is being destroyed by a host of vicious lies? This pleases you?
But of course we could end all this by going to a same-day registration system. I wonder which party would get pissy about that...
TBlake34 2 years ago
what im happy about is that the light of day has exposed the fraud that this TAX payer supported agency has been perpetuating daily has finally caught up to it.....they should have stayed true to their original cause instead of trying to get into the political arena....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Sigh, but that's exactly the point: no fraud was commited.
If you're really worried about fraud, you should be spending your time attacking defense contractors that have defrauded the government hundreds of times over the last decade resulting in hundreds of billions of dollars taken from tax payers.
But I'm sure the couple of postage stamps that were wasted when ACORN submitted a list where a joker wrote down a false name is a MUCH bigger problem.
TBlake34 2 years ago
oh dont even get me started on the defense contractors.....they all need to be shot, or forced to take showers in the shower stalls they insist are safe for our troops.....greedy fuckers... and goldman sachs???? needs to be imploded, now....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Then it seems we may be more in agreement than we are at odds.
TBlake34 2 years ago
sure we are, probably way more than anyone in congress or the senate...to me, the whole thing stems down to personal honesty....and accountability.. those are the things that alot of americans seem to be throwing away just to make money...id rather be poor and honest instead of rich and dishonest.. now ive got those defense contractors on the brain....lol....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
This is why I think the whole ACORN issue is just a distraction. There are very real actions Obama is taking that I find objectionable--the no strings attached bank bailouts being the biggest.
I find it hard to believe that less than 75% of the country thinks it's a good idea to dump tax-payer money into bonuses for executives who demolished the economy.
But we're fractured over issues like ACORN, birth certificates, and other nonsense that just has nothing to do with real concerns.
TBlake34 2 years ago
my problem with ACORN was they seemed more interested in playing the victim of a fox news plot, than admitting that nationwide they have serious problems in hiring and supervision... and what sucks about the bailouts is that the executive pay levels wont change...theyll just shift HOW theyre paid...they should have let them fail, and other well run companies would have swooped in and taken over....it was a real chance to teach wall street a lesson, and it didnt happen.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Look, I worked on the Obama campaign and that involved close cooperation with ACORN in Gary, Indiana, and Cincinnati, Ohio.
It's a mess of an organization. They paid the registration people by the name so they just filled out the sheets with made-up stuff that the ACORN higher ups cleared out. It wasn't a big deal, but they're incompetent, I'll never argue otherwise.
But I think if you actually saw them in action you would have NO FEARS that they were capable of anything serious.
TBlake34 2 years ago
lol.....you make them sound like the bad news bears....... i just watched a show where someone commented about how the executive pay is being capped at companies that took tarp money....and the guy said that theyll still get their money, theyll just get deferred compensation and stock.....what bullshit...they should have their assets seized for almost putting the country into a depression..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
100% right, Keith and Rachel. These silly conservatives must have immediately forgotten the previous administration's attack on MSNBC, while the Obama white house just stated the fact that FoxNews is fixed just for conservos w/ fake facts and all.
Meccalekkahai 2 years ago
Here's the bottom line. The commentators on FOX express a point of view and then VIGOROUSLY DEBATE THE OPPOSITION. Maddow and Olbermann on the other hand express a point of view and then bring in other far left-wing nutjobs to support their points. When is the last time you ever saw these two clowns take on a conservative in an actual debate? Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck debate the opposition while Olbermann and Maddow debate NO ONE. HA! HA! HA!
BULLD0GBIANSKI 2 years ago
i agree, did you see joy behar try to take on ann coulter......every other sentence out of redbush's mouth was "well, bush did this" we'll be hearing , "well bush did this 3 years from now" its pretty pathetic..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
When was the last time? How about two weeks ago when Maddow confronted the clown financing the tea-bagging nonsense?
Furthermore, both people continually send requests to folks on the right and are denied. Maddow has Buchanan on regularly.
Just because you don't about things doesn't mean they aren't happening.
TBlake34 2 years ago
shut up rachel maddow. this shit has no substance whatsoever. for about 2 mins olbermann and maddow sound like idiots.
cphawks 2 years ago
Dumb FUX non-news is a joke for news... it is a tool for the wacko repukes, who have no clue what is really going on in this Universe
InnovativeIndividual 2 years ago
Rachel M. is a real b**ch
An egomaniac too......
eversostrong 2 years ago
Google:
"Para-Sailin' with Palin FreedomHaters"
for news of sexy Sarah's recent flight for charity!
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Canaderek 2 years ago
Dude looks like he is wearing a toupe...
owatadikiam 2 years ago
marriage should be the "religious" aspect of a civil union...and that would solve it all.... but lets not get nonsensical with people marrying animals...thats just degrading to anyone in a committed relationship, both gay and straight.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I know why marrying animals is immoral from my Christian worldview. But why do you have a problem with it? The liberal worldview is relativistic, having no transcendental laws of morality. Liberal morality is not fixed but is ever-changing. Furthermore, liberals often point to history to justify gay marriage. Well, there were marriages between humans & animals in the past, as well as incestuous marriages. Surely they were "committed". And shouldn't you be non-judgmental & be more "progressive"?
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
well, without getting into christianity, which is a fine religion....i think the issue of CONSENT is involved here, no??? and i dont think a horse( other than Mr. Ed) would be able to say..."with this ring, i thee wed" now, as far as the incestuous marriages thing goes, we know that any children born out of those marriages tend to turn out bad, just look to the state of kentucky for proof.....see, no judgement, just empirical evidence...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Let me explain: if someone can arbitrarily define marriage, its rules can be arbitrarily defined as well. In other words, why should you retain the old rules of marriage where there's consent? Why must it be with only one human? Why not polygamy or polyamory also? After all, marriage is merely a social convention for liberals. And even if child deformities are true, it doesn't quite answer the question why incestuous couples cannot be married if they are in a "loving & fulfilling relationship".
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
yes, but its the right and christians in particular who are the ones trying to DEFINE marriage as between a man and woman... but i would assume that EVERYONE would agree that consent has to be a part of it....and that the SACRAMENT of marriage should be separate from the state idea of a civil union... if the state of marriage is in danger, its only because of the people who are currently allowed to marry, not those outside who cannot.. with divorce rates approaching nearly 50%???
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I suggest you read the discussion between waltermh111 & me below. I think you're confusing me for a social conservative. I'm not. I would fall into the libertarian camp. I believe anyone can define marriage anywhere he want as long as he doesn't force his definition onto others. I believe marriage & civil unions as legal institutions should be abolished & be left to the free market. I believe all anti-discrimination & hate crime laws be abolished & everyone be free to discriminate on any basis.
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
Also, I advise you do not view conservative Christianity as a monolithic entity. Yes, I'm theologically conservative & I believe the Bible is inerrant. There are conservative Christians who believe the church should not use the power of the state to coerce people. I believe social conservatives are wrong in doing so. However, this doesn't mean the Bible can't be used in the public square. Individuals in a free society should be able to use any arguments they choose, and this includes the Bible.
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
you actually sound more like an anarchist than libertarian....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
That would be incorrect, although I'll view anarchism as an extreme left-wing form of libertarianism. Anarchists advocate the abolition of the state, private property, & capitalism. I don't. I believe in limited government, private property rights, & laissez-faire economics. I might be called a right-libertarian. We're suspicious of any Orwellian government attempt to regulate our speech & thoughts, such as through anti-discrimination & hate crime laws.
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
are you ok with people committing hate crimes?
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Let me address your question with this famous quotation from Evelyn Beatrice Hall. It is commonly, but incorrectly credited to Voltaire.
It goes like this: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
well, thats good to know...im glad youre not burning crosses on lawns and other scary stuff.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Far from it. In fact, I would assert that my view of the relation between church & culture is quite historic, going back to Augustine (354-430) & John Calvin (1509-1564). The church, in its early history & before the Constantinian shift, has never tried to "Christianize" culture. If you're really interested, try googling "A Two-Kingdom Social Theory" & click on the link that's hosted on the 1st hit i.e. covopc. There are many theological essays there discussing the role of the church in culture.
bigfathairywookie 2 years ago
i will do that...thanks for the info..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Rachel owns all cons in this clip.
jensen1901 2 years ago
Fox news ... the same network that has reproduced Republican talking points, spelling errors and all, as their very own news.
danta80 2 years ago
I don't mind at all that Obama met with Olbermann and Maddow. Bush did it too. Where I do have a problem was when Obama doesn't allow them to ask questions during conferences.
PresBarack 2 years ago
blueGsp...you are fantastic!
Quoting science again as if you know something about it! Besides, a poll (BS that it was) does not lead to a scientific conclusion that Fox is not biased.
Anyone who is rational knows that Fox and MSNBC pick and choose arguments that can easily be consilidated into sound bytes.
And I know absolutely no one who would claim Fox to be the least biased.
condennett 2 years ago
MSNBC is not news, it is the propaganda wing of the democrat party. Olbermann and Maddow would make Goebbels blush. All scientific studies have shown Fox to be the most accurate and fair news network on television and the American people know it.
bluegsp 2 years ago
Rofl. Can you cite one? MSNBC has a fleet of right-wingers: Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, that Republican strategist in their prime-time lineup. Maddow can her PhD, there is no comparing her to Hannity or Beck.
Robfenix 2 years ago
and dont forget that fox's rating are higher than both of them COMBINED....im sure the liberals love that
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Liberals live in a fantasy world of their own
bluegsp 2 years ago
The difference between Bush meeting with right wing media and Obama with the left is that Bush never told people don't watch Rachel Maddow. Don't want MSNBC. Don't listen to Dan Rather. That would never have been tolerated then and it shouldn't be now.
There are some shows on Fox I don't like and don't watch. However, That's my decision not the White House.
TheLxrose 2 years ago
the point is that unlike any of the other major news networks, ONLY fox is funding protests against our current administration. it is not accurate to treat them as an actual news network. the white house is just publicaly making that distinction because it has become far to obvious lately.
crisco80 2 years ago
Funding protests? I have attended 3 tea parties none of which was funded by Fox.
They label Fox as an opinion network not a news network. Like Rachel Maddow is not an opinion show?
TheLxrose 2 years ago
actually you are wrong. they are all in part sponsored by fox news. that's not me saying it. it's a proven fact. and of coarse maddow gives her opinion. the problem with fox is not that they have an opinion. it's that they have an agenda. an anti obama agenda. you can foolishly deny that all you want but again, these are proven facts, not opinions. do some research before you respond please. i don't feel like wasting my time informing you.
crisco80 2 years ago
excuse me, but maddow and olberman certainly had an anti-bush agenda...play fair here....every bush misstep was jumped on by these 2 cretins of the so called news, cnn..
chrisrei10 2 years ago 2
You don't need to inform me. The liberal media was after Bush constantly. Fox a conservative network and of course does not like the Obama/liberal policies.
You cannot prove all tea parties are all in part sponsored by Fox. My sister helped in organizing a tea party and Fox was in no way participated. Quit believing everything MSNBC tells you. Maybe you need to watch Fox to stay informed.
TheLxrose 2 years ago
Were you alive during the past eight years?
Holy fuck, the media was so cowed by teh Bush administration that they didn't bother to say a damn thing about the nonsense they were spewing in the lead up to the Iraq investigation. The New York Times was printing front-page stories declaring the location of WMD (all info they got from Chalabi).
The media didn't turn on Dubya until well into his second term.
TBlake34 2 years ago
They never said that. Find me a quotation from Obama saying 'don't watch Fox,' or even from an advisor to him. Did you not see Bush call the NYT times guy a major leauge asshole? You will not find anything close to that from Obama. You are blind to reality.
Robfenix 2 years ago
and drown in it! becuase that is what ou are doing to yourselfs! the rest of the world mocks you, they dont look up to you or revere you at least the first world, the third world is still fooled by your BS-but you dont want them right. well thanks to bush you well get a fair exchange rate right LOL..
jozz200 2 years ago
hahahaha - keep crying ,,its a bitch when you come to our country thinking you're going to find money laying on the ground,and when you get here,,you find out you have actually have to work for a living.LOL Chances are you got denied an extension on your stay and they shipped you back. oh and who gives a shit if you now think the whole world mocks the US. They ALL still want to come here ,BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW THIS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD once the socialist Obama is finally OUT.
ozzfreak1 2 years ago
greatest country in the world-most people who say that havent been anywhere else-your relying on someone elses opinion
jozz200 2 years ago
i rely on how many people want to come here and how many people want to leave here,,,do the math
ozzfreak1 2 years ago
if you look at the numbers of people from the third world wanting to get into usa and all other advanced western countries I think you would find numbers very similar
jozz200 2 years ago
You stupid right wing Americans! I spent ten years in the USA and you know what i didnt like it I didnt like you calling on God at the drop of a hat ,or when you scored a TD it just silly and belittling...although i do love the football. so like you say if you dont like it why dont you just leave well i did and im glad for it -have your bigoted right wing bible bashing narrow minded ignorant we are the centre of the world attitude all to yourself s
jozz200 2 years ago
Has Obama been in office like 10 years now?
It sure seems like it.
Madcow sure likes the ladies.
ImALevinFan 2 years ago
Who has nicer boobies, Overbite or Madcow.
ImALevinFan 2 years ago
Anyone notice that this H1N1 is totally owned and totally miss managed by this administration. I remember when Bush was under unrelenting attack over the avian flue, which by way never materialized, because he didn't spend billions on a vaccine that had no way of working because the flue hadn't hadn't morphed into a human born disease.
CPOSharkey01 2 years ago 3
Just the usual liberal move. Bring up Bush, then somehow blame it on him. Brilliant!
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
Just another usual liberal move, showing the many hypocrisies of conservatives. I mean did you even watch the video?
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
FloBro,
A supposed proffesional saying " Bush did it first!" is a very poor example of journalism....even for msnbc. By the way Oberman and his metro-sexual glasses need to use the word Fricken' less to gain any respect from intelligent people. Cheers!
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
You typical uneducated conservative. Never made a sound while bush was increasing government and now all of a sudden the sky is falling.
First off, is there something wrong with being a metrosexual? Is there something wrong with being gay? The answer is no you right-wing biggot.
Second, before you call yourself an "intelligent" person trying spelling professional right. HA!
Ready? P-R-O-F-E-S-S-I-O-N-A-L
There are TWO s's and only ONE f.
Sorry, better luck next time Einstein. Your move.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
well, with what passes as education these days in the united states, with mostly liberal asshole professors who grade people higher for being liberal minded like themselves, i think your criticism here is hollow.. and who the fucks spell checks on youtube???? get a life...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
LOL
Okay so you are going to insult our education system and AND THEN COMPLAIN about spell checking online!!!
LOL you are hilarious! It's funny because i called him a hypocrite and then you say my criticism is hollow that i called him a hypocrite! I love you guys. The more you open your mouth the more stupid you sound. Please keep talking. No seriously, please keep talking.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
typical libtard, just full of himself...my complaint about the education system is that were breeding a bunch of "my emotional feelings are more important than facts" types..quite like yourself.... i think theres a valium prescription waiting for you at CVS....hurry, please....you need to chill..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Do you know how stupid you sound.
Okay i don't think you do so i'm going to educate you.
I insulted this guy for calling himself intelligent while he couldn't spell. You came to his rescue by taking a shot at how bad our education system anyway. THEN telling me to get a life for even caring about spelling.
Do you know how stupid you sound?
I"m an emotional feelings type!? What the hell are you talking about?
Hilarious. You are just throwing something against the wall at this point.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
you need to get a life and a some good meds.... first, on youtube people are usually typing very quickly and are bound to make keystroke errors and then notice it after they post it....you dont like him because he disagrees with your liberal agenda and so its easier for you to discredit him for making a typo... my point about education is that unless you agree with your tree hugging liberal professssssor, oops should i speel chek to make you happy ??, then your grade will be lower..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Dude you keep backtracking on the education thing it's hilarious. Now all teachers are liberals? Wow, you are really throwing stuff against the wall. Talk about generalizations.
All you can do is throw insults thinking that they effectively argue your point. When in fact all they do is make you look a so many close-minded republicans. I wonder why that's the stereotype? Ron Paul is the exception, he's smart!
You obviously never got a quality education if you think education is that subjective.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
i went to saint josephs college in philadelphia back in 1985 and most of my teachers were very liberal, odd , considering its a catholic school....i had a sociology teacher, who was basically a worthless wit, and to get a good grade all you had to do was parrot back her liberal rantings.... i got an A with literally NO effort at all.....we had one iraqi student who presented very conservative views and he got a C+... so i speak from experience...this country needs more people in trade schools.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
My name is Chrisrei10 and i DID get a quality education! This, in turn, allows me to make crass generalizations about the whole education system! Since i got a degree 25 years ago my opinion still carries merit. I will even give you a few examples of a dumb sociology teacher! See how smart i am!
Ladies & Gentleman, i think I've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that our education system is in shambles because every teacher is a liberal.
Therefore we shouldn't criticize people's grammar errors.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
you really are a typical liberal....so i guess since obama got his degree how long ago, it carries no merit as well right, or michelle obama, or all the supreme court justices....oh wait, i guess if they babble the liberal babble, it counts as intelligent....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
LOL,man you just don't get it. I don't even enjoy talking down to you anymore, isn't that sad?
Okay kiddo, the simple fact that you were in school 25 years ago and had a shitty teacher means nothing. That doesn't prove you know anything about anything. "Oh look at me! I had a liberal teacher, that's why our education system was so bad. If we had more teachers that didn't believe in evolution our education system would be better!"
Do you even realize what you are arguing?
Go ask for a refund.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
i dont need a refund, i had a full scholarship....and i believe in evolution...what i DONT believe in is teachers who grade students higher for agreeing with them rather than thinking for themselves....but that seems to be endemic in the school systems today...as long as everyone has high self esteem , nothing else matters....which is why we have to hear about the many losers that the public school systems turn out....they have 4th grade reading levels and cant find new york on a map,
chrisrei10 2 years ago
blah blah blah. Not all education is that subjective, stop making ridiculous generalizations because it just makes you sound dumb. "But that seems to be endemic in the school systems today."
And you know this how? The funny thing is you & I both know you were wrong to blame our education system on liberal teachers. But you keep holding on refusing to give up an inch all while telling me your life story as a way of lending credibility. "I graduated in the top 10% in my high school class."
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
well, im speaking from MY experience with not only attending college, but living within walking distance of 3 colleges in philadelphia....and what i hear come out of "college" educated minds is pretty frightening.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
and by the way you liberal dipshit....you spelled bigot as BIGGOT... ding dong the witch is dead......and youre the one jumping to conclusions that this guy is anti-gay....ever hear of log cabin republicans?????? not every gay person is in obamas pocket...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Keep the insults coming. The spelling correction proves my point. I spelled it wrong. That's the difference.
But wait, there's the hypocrisy again. You are correcting my spelling. So which one is it? I have to 'get a life' for telling him he spelled professional wrong but you're perfectly within your right to correct me?
It's cool. You seem like one of those stubborn right-wingers who has to get the last word. Which is great since i'm enjoying this.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
well, first off, i didnt say anything about your spelling error at first because , honestly, who gives a shit??? BUT you attacked another poster , which made you fair game....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
Well it's a shame your boyfriend needs his daddy to stick up after him. How's that working for you? Is the highlight of your day patrolling the internet sticking up for your boyfriends?
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
i think you need to crawl back into joy behars rotten uterus, or what you call the mother ship...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I just want to let you know that i am honored to be debating you. You are without question the smartest person i have ever met. Your parents must be so proud.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
well, if you call twisting my words to fit your arguments debating, than i guess I should be honored... i graduated 40 out of 400 in my high school and got fed up with college the 2nd year..i had a hero scholarship, which they give to children of policemen killed in the line of duty...and my mom died in my second year of college...so id say they werent proud because i didnt finish.. i had to work full time and the rules of the scholarship were you had to go to school full time as well..
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I'm twisting your words? HA. You are trying to wiggle out of that corner you put yourself in.
Life story time again?
"Hey go crawl into Joy's uterus"
"BTW i graduated in the top 10% got a full scholarship, my mom died i had to make ends meet. blah blah blah."
Man you are all over the place.
I have to say if you did graduated 10% in your class 25 years ago then we indeed have come a LONG way. Thank you for restoring my faith in the education system.
That's going to get me through the day.
FloridaBoy5 2 years ago
well, when you move out of mom and dads and make a living, lets talk again, floridaBOY.
chrisrei10 2 years ago
@bradinmt1960 no.. whats "brilliant!" is your ability to dismiss facts as some sort of blame "game" used by the left. i see you wear your ignorance proudly on ur sleeves, please tell us.. what did mean by "somehow.." ?
jDiggi 2 years ago
jDiggy Dingle-Berry,
I simply mean, Oberman, Maddow, and other dough heads like you consistently bring up what Bush did. I mean, you should be able to win an argument without saying things like " Well Bush did it too!" Don't you know that two wrongs don't make a right? Don't assume that all conservatives agreed with Bush on every issue either. I will look forward to seeing your comments when America flatly rejects B.O. after the next election.
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
oh believe me, this will be the war cry of the democrats for the next few years....when their healthcare reform implodes, itll be bush's fault...just like that nasty hurrican that he personally steered into new orleans....
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I'm sending a digital high five your way. Keep schooling the libs. It's great entertainment to push their buttons. later
bradinmt1960 2 years ago
Maddow had no audience in talk radio and doesn't' have one at MSNBC. Bush never boycotted any news outlet. Obama is a thin skinned coward. Like Carter, he will be a one term president and the butt of jokes for years to come
bluegsp 2 years ago
@bluegsp QUICKly!! this weeks loto numbers!!??
jDiggi 2 years ago
Obama is not boycotting Fox. He just made the point that when when Roger Ailes, Nixon's propaganda man is running a network and commentators are handed Republican talking points to read, and they are organizing anti-Obama rallies, and spreading lies about Madrasas and such, they will be called out. Bush actually did freeze out networks. Did you not just hear in the clip that he didn't grant a single interview to the NYT, the most reputable newspaper in the U.S., and that they froze out MSNBC.
Robfenix 2 years ago
Obama attempted to freeze out Fox but the other networks wouldn't stand for it so they had to relent. Fox never organized an anti Obama rally, or follow Republican talking points, When you get your news from Maddow and MSNBC, you can bet it will be wrong.
bluegsp 2 years ago
We need a new Supreme Court case:
America v. Fox News
TAz69x 2 years ago