I am genuinely surprised by the hate and destruction most people have towards this episode. I truly wish I was a part of the 25th century then I would never hear such ghastly and vile remarks, I'd imagine.
What the hell?! I can't show this to my kids!!! Guys!! Sorry, can't do it. Sheesh. Generally I don't care... but I don't want to watch it. And I was hoping this was going to be generic. Crap!
lol, a good attempt to act like the original cast. Unfortunately the best efforts hardly simulate what it was like. Like the model and special effects. You should have made your own crew and ship to run parallel with Kirk's enterprise.
I wonder, is it possible to get involved with making one of these episodes? I've been wanting to make a fan fiction Star Trek story for a while now, but I don't really have the resources to do it all on my own. I'd like to do a Caitian story sometime or another, but Caitians would be hard to do in live action, hence why the only one we've ever seen in trek was in the animated series.
I suppose it could be done in CGI with a person doing the vocals, though.
This is sensational all around. You capture the look of the classic "Star Trek" series faithfully. You're boldly doing what perhaps other Trekkies have done before.
thanks love new ideas BUT OR BUTT WHY ARE U OVERSELLING THE GAY ASPECT SO HARD! Milder intro to the gay relationship and stronger on the story of STAR TREK would have been. Better the show is about space action not hetro or gay sex relations, but thats just me watching trek since the 60's(an expert) nice try no other new treks on i'll just have to get used to the story change I guess
@SuperKirkspock Because a THREE parter (instead of two) would have been well beyond our budget. David managed to cram a lot of character exposition into that one scene (the dialog many miss) and portray the intimacy of their relationship at the same time - which made it possible (with one full shoot and SEVEN pickup shoots) to finish this.
As for the story, it's exactly what David (and Carlos) intended - no story change here. ;-)
Are you kidding us, how many times did Kirk find some hot little Alien number to get it on with, even Spock got it on with an alien woman a couple of times, as did Bones. Of course Ahura beets them all, for she got it on with a God in Who Morns for Apollo? If you consider that gay rights are an issue in the 21st century, by the time STOS occurs, everyone should have had equal rights for a long time. Episodes like this simply reflect that possible future.
I think creating episodes Roddenberry didn't or couldn't create at the time due to how conservative society was back then is a good thing. I think having an interracial couple would be a good thing, which I think the Serak Amanda relationship represented to some extent.
I have actualy found people who think bigotry dose not exsist in all races. Only Europeans. Then one day I saw a black panther video where a African said he would kill all whites, even babies. It was very educational to see the best and worse can happen all across the board.
The most illogical thing to me, is all the various groups that have been subjugated, discriminated against, & abused, throughout American & world history, you would think they would all know what it feels like, & would therefore understand how illogical it is to subject someone else to similar treatment. Sadly, people usually learn the hard way, which is why you see sexism, bigotry, etc, even in the gay community, & homophobia & sexism in other groups. Hopefully, we can grow up.
After years in the closet Star Trek comes out. To late the show has always been gay. j.k. cool your P.C. heals. I said heal dawg. HEAL.....(gurgle...death)
@RobertMfromLI well im sorry you took my simple comment to heart did not call you personly sick but if the shoes fits and if you would see a lawyer he will tell you that your show is very much has a copyright issues on less you can post permission letters from all the actors. that a used. permission from star.trek lawyers to use there spaceship.and if you can i will recant my statement witch i dont think will happen have a goodday
@norrismike1 Oh, you aren't very sick? Maybe I misread what you wrote. As for the rest, don't speculate. And no, I won't post any such thing - our agreements with cast, crew and companies is private between them and us.
Of course, you could just visit our forums and see them chatting with everyone.
That was great! Great job by everyone. Can't believe how accurately you captured that 1960's Star Trek feel. Even the lighting is perfect! That also has to be the most HORRIBLE death scene I've ever seen on Star Trek too.Got a kick seeing the picture of the NX-01 on the wall and although everyone did a great job,I'd say Chekov is the closest to the original.He looks,sounds and acts just like Walter Koenig's version.Great job!Looking forward to watching the next part! (Love Denise Crosby)
Years ago, I wrote to the official Star Trek magazine and asked why there was never a gay character in Star Trek. Obviously, in Star Trek, being homosexual in the 23rd and 24th century wont matter (although it shouldn't matter right now either), yet there was never a homosexual character of any kind. Someone responded to my letter with 'Gene Roddenberry once commented on the matter with 'We never had a gay character in Star Trek because in the 23rd century, sexuality just isn't an issue'........
@NorthStaruk1983 I replied with 'If sexuality isn't an issue, then WHY do we see every characters of every Star trek series in a plot which shows us they're sexual preference. Kirk, McCoy, Spock, Picard, Riker, Worf...even Wesley and Neelix. They ALL had story lines which support them being heterosexual at some point, yet still nothing about homosexuality. I just want to say THANK YOU for doing this. It was a brave choice (knowing some of the back lash you'd get but did it anyway!). Well done!!!
recipe for disaster! how are you going to introduce alternative lifestyle on a conservative TV show from the 60's ? Most people who liked the TOS are not going for the same sex scene!
It wasn't in the original, so don't put it in this one that is so close to the original! It is not what we expect to see because it never was...in the original. This was the reason why TNG and voyager was made. TOS will attract most conservative people. Men are masculine and women are femanine on TOS. You giblets
@emtvans I dont think you ever watched Star Trek in the 60's, did you? It had a woman in a position of authority, who also happened to be black - not a very conservative view. Neither was having a Russian and a Japanese person... or an alien with those "devil like" ears.
That aside, you do realize such an episode was promised by Gene Roddenberry and David Gerrold, right? And you do realize, just like TOS, we do tackle current day issues, right?
Trek has a history of dealing with social issues, it just took television till the 80s & 90s to start dealing with gay issues. If Roddenberry was doing Trek all over starting today, he probably would have gay characters & story lines to develop those characters. As far as the conservatives, screw them, there were networks back in the day that wouldn't air the episode where Kirk & Ahura kiss one another. Even today some conservative cities won't air certain episodes/shows due to content
@RobertMfromLI Ok cool! Im really enjoying this,thank you for posting. However, i would advise Cpt.Kirk to stay on the bridge,with a hostile Klingon vessel engaging them and a serious crisis going on. I dont know if I would leave that Ensign Dunsel,the conn,but ,then again, im not Kirk,lol. Great job with the acting,storyline,grapics and direction. You need to get some sponsors to put commercials between acts and make a little money....
@mlee2001 Ah... on that... watch that part again. You'll note the Klingon ship was of no threat at the moment. And of course, Kirk's crew is *the* quintessential Starfleet crew, so no worries there either.
Also, we've seen it happen in TOS... how many "Captain Kirk to the bridge" calls were there? ;-)
Oh, and sadly we cannot put commercials or such in - we can only accept fan donations.
Dang it! I was gettting into this until 8:00. Im not a homophobe( my sister is gay) i have no problems with homosexuality but this seems out of place and forced. Capatain James T. Kirks nephew, is gay?? Perhaps if the idea had been explored a bit more subdued in the pilot episode and allowed to progress as the series went on...Like I said, i dont feel like a raging homophobe but seeing that guy crawl on the other guy during my reintroduction to Clasic Trek, is really a bummer.
@mlee2001 Show the episode to your sister. Then, ask her what she thinks about us finally portraying a gay couple in an intimate scene in the same fashion that TV and movies have portrayed straight couples in for many years. I suspect she will tell you that is it about time that gay couples are being portrayed in the same fashion - and we agree.
@RobertMfromLI That may very well be so, but that does not mean we have to like it...It also may interest you to know that I do not like seeing scenes with male and females like that either when i watch my trek, usually in TOS the love scenes were very brief and only hinted at the action to take place and thats the way i prefer it personally.
@mlee2001 I'm not asking you to like it... but still, show it to your sister. I've gotten TONS of emails from people that basically say "thanks for showing me/us in a good light when everyone is trying to either ignore or condemn us"
Simply put, we (which includes the 99% straight cast and crew) didn't think we should treat a gay love scene any differently than today's entertainment would treat a straight one. Gotta remember, this has been updated for the times and events of today.
@RobertMfromLI well unfortunately, my sister is not a big trek fan and though ive sent it to her, she hasnt watched it yet. As for "thanks for showing me/us in a good light when everyone is trying to either ignore or condemn us" To that I say WHY Should they not be ignored? The main reason that happens,is because I dont flaunt that I love women? Should I march in a parade and let everyone know? NO because WHO CARES!? People should just live there lives,not demand attention.
@RobertMfromLI Again I dont care what a person sexuality is, just please, dont throw it in my face because I DONT CARE! that goes for hetro,homo and all in between. Thats what bothers me is the "ACCEPT ME, ACCEPT ME!!' cry from the homosexual population. I dont care who or what a person finds sexual attractive,just please dont shove ANY sexuality down my throat. That being said, I am glad and impressed by your show and look forward to more episodes. Very enjoyable. Thank you!
@mlee2001, the fact you have no issue with a man & a women, and probably no problem with two women, but two men bums you out, should tell you something about how closed minded you are. I'm not saying you need to watch gay porn or anything, but why shouldn't the gay community who also has lots of Star Trek fans not see themselves represented in Star Trek. Its like George Taki said, "Trek was unique at the time, because the cast weren't stereotypes.
There have been gay characters on many sci-fi & fantasy shows, which is why people have said, Star Trek has fallen way behind the times. It used to push the envelope, it had the first interracial kiss, showed Asians, Blacks, & Russians as professionals. This was important, as helped shape the public's view of this segment of the population, & these populations around the world. I think your comment is funny because, strait characters are introduced on shows the same way with noissue
@ernestmac13 Apparently you cant read,or you would have read where i said "It also may interest you to know that I do not like seeing scenes with male and females like that either when i watch my trek" you should really do more research before you start calling people names that are inaccurate to the situation. And yea, it does bum me out,im glad it turns you on,but thats why were all diffrent right?
no religion on earth says gays will go to heaven . retard. it is unnatural , filthy disgusting and caused AIDS. you think these vermin will be in heaven gays , you realise supporting these worse than animal creatures is just as bad. wen ur in hell with them how many seconds will it take you to hate them too
@RobertMfromLI While I can agree to most of that I think "justice" can go to far to. If some one burns down a china town in America because they "didn't assimilate" enough I would find that wrong. Or if a town was "to European" and forced to dsisolve away. I think it just depends. The more our governments keep their hand out of personel decisions the better off we seam to do.
OMG! This show is amazing! I love seeing Star Trek being brought back to life! The cast really does a fantastic job; its like seeing an old friend. I love the new characters as well. Brilliant job! Support this project!!!
Maravilloso, al ver este episodio me habria gustado que en realidad se introdujera esta tematica en la serie original, por alguna razon no habia gays en el futuro o al menos no se hablaba de ellos. Aplausos para todos los actores, cada uno le da su toque especial a cada personaje.
@LGFVA Sorry, I am terrible at writing in Spanish, so my response is in English...
From all of us, thanks for the kind words! We all look forward to a future where people are just people - regardless of their race, orientation, gender or any other such nonsense. :-)
@mrlogicalman1 No god is as sick and demented and cruel as... certain people... to punish people for being how s/he made them.
I forget... what's the punishment for the type of judgment you are passing on a WHOLE LOT of people you don't even know? Enlighten me please... and then explain who is really taking the fast elevator to the basement... ;-)
the bad acting writing can not come close to the garbage of the having kirks nephew gay..what if kids watch this and thinks its ok time to have it reported,,,i do trust you have the copy-rite for star trek because i know couple of complaints n you tube bans ya
@TheOlivertwisted I wouldn't attempt to harass us or you may find you are the one who makes YouTube upset.
And as for your what if: if kids watch this and think it's ok if someone is gay, then it means they won't grow up to be a bigot like you appear to be.
@darkguardian1314 As long as the scent is comeing from hot looking chicks and it's not to overpowering like a few naughty nasty days but not at a inhuman level. THEN It would be OK.
The sad thing is, the rhetoric used against interacial marriages has been utilized word for word in the fight against gay marriage, and in many cases by the religious leaders.who fought against interracial marriage. Unfortunaitly, some of these leaders call for denying gays citizenship, the right to vote, & call for putting gays to death. This in the 21st Century, how sad.
@ernestmac13 Bingo Ernest! And used againts women's rights and more. Fortunately, slowly, we are becoming more of an enlightened society... and thanks for being a part of that!
@RobertMfromLI I'm still very concerned that nothing is being done about the global bankers. If they have their way we may never advance beyond the gleam of the almghty dollar.
We se amongst life on earth that some animals are both male & female, some change from male to female, while some can be said to be neither truly male or female. This is fine when talking about lower life, but when talking about advanced intelligent species some get uncomfortable.
@Wildfox01 Pssst... Part II, *and* "Enemy: Starfleet, *and* a vignette are online... I'd catch up soon, because another episode is very near to release. ;-)
@MrHoppers002 They won't be installed till Tuesday...
...oh, wait, that was that movie... nevermind. Artistic choice perhaps? Not sure... never thought about it until now. I suspect it's simply how David wrote it (well, it is how he wrote it, actually). Not sure why... I'll ask him next time we chat, if I remember.
Although I loved Majel Barret, and I'll grant you she is the first lady of Star Trek, why doesn't anyone hardly ever remember that it was Lucy Ball that gave the green light on the original series. Shouldn't she be regarded as the mother of Star Trek?
@Taopuppy Oh, we remember. We have a whole thread on our forums about it. If it weren't for her, there'd be no Star Trek, or it would have been cancelled a lot earlier. Besides allowing the 2nd pilot, she (if memory serves) also pushed for a second season against the advice of the team that worked for her.
Not to add fuel to the fire here... cuz I love what you've done with the subject matter in this one... but Spock's reaction at hearing that Peter's marrying Alex -- at 15:43 -- is a bit, um, unfortunate... I mean, is he gonna hurl??
I'm lovin' McCoy's line, "Relax Jim. We don't put bullseyes on the red shirts anymore." and then not 5 minutes later, a red shirt gets infected by a wavacle! Hah! Whoa and then later, the way he dies was soooo gross, and by the way, very disturbingly real!
@leananshae LoL, no, his reaction was for other reasons. He was a bit uncomfortable with the fact that everyone but Kirk knew - which he tries addressing and making Kirk feel a little better about with his "Mr. Scott" joke.
Are the guys in love for real, cuz I can usually tell when actors are just saying 'I love you' and don't mean it (which is like 99% of the time) and when these two said it, I didn't sense any halted weirdness in their voices. And that's something very hard to pretend to do.
@oa02071970 LoL! David tried getting this out earlier, but the network executives balked and his and Gene's promises were forbidden. Finally, through our production, he managed to get the story told, albeit decades later sadly.
why is everyone commenting on the gayness who cares if they are gay in the orginal star trek it was shockig they were black or asian or alien now its one of the reasons why the sho lasted so long it appealed to ppl on a human level
And we've gotten some great emails from a few fans who've realized the problem with their "gayness" or even closeness isn't a problem with the episode, but their own problem to deal with. It was (is) so rewarding getting such emails knowing we've made a positive difference in the world, and knowing one more person realizes people are people, regardless of their orientation (or color or gender or religion, etc).
@kayleegirl1967 It isn't about looking up to being gay. It's about treating others with the respect and dignity they deserve based on *who they are* instead of *who they love or sleep with*.
In the 1960's and earlier, it was black people; segregation and miscegenation - and equal employment treatment for women. And the 1920's before women got the right to vote. Being a woman or being black isn't something to look up or down to: IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDNT MATTER. JUST LIKE BEING GAY OR STR8.
@USSVoyager5 And she started on a napkin a few of us passed around. From our napkin-drawings, Joel Belucci turned our scribbles into that beautiful ship.
Yes, the gay rubbing made me uncomfortable; however, I am not offended by it. Actually, I'm glad the producers of P2 are of the ilk that would include these characters and scenes. All of us love ST but not all of us love it for the same exact reasons. I'm glad the producers are carrying Gene's torch and advancing the messages.
@RobertMfromLI why do your waste your time responding to mikootz? He's a waste of valuable time and the best thing to do is just report him to youtube under thumbs down and it gives you an option to report him as inappropriate and flag him. If youtube gets enough complaints..they'll remove his account.
@wolfstev76 Eh, so an answer is somewhere on the first page... anyway, not going to block him or flag the comment. Hiding bigotry and/or hate solves nothing. Oh, and I was bored... ;-)
It just does not feel like Star Trek with all the male to male stuff - I love what the episodes are doing overall but it is overdone - they could be gay without actually showing actual kissing and stuff. It ruins it when the style and feel of the show is hampered by such scenes. Not even Voyager bothered with such scenes for good reason. Things have their place in the universe but this is TOS Trek with a 60s flavour - I dont know how else to put it really without offending.
@LiteracyLabyrinth2 Sure! As soon as straight scenes are handled the same way. Until then, we refuse to discriminate because of people's personal sensibilities and prejudices.
@RobertMfromLI Fair enough mate. I hope you guys are going to make some new eps soon as I cant tell you how much I enjoyed these eps you created - absolutely stuning overall! The sets were mind snapping!
@mikootz Love is always right. Your own prejudices are your own... you can choose to keep them or to grow as a person. Some people are hardwired with same sex attraction - would you deny them love, or the ability to express it? If not, then what's different between this and opposite sex couples making out all over TV? Which brings us back to you re-evaluating your own prejudices and dealing with them. Fortunately, our team doesn't have such (hence the episode).
The 2 just don't mix, and in my opinion you just laid in the gay scene so that the episode seemed more "politicaly corect" and "judgement free" i'm surprized that you didn't throw in some anti-antisemitism or racial corect messege. It's not about anybodys prejudices,it's just wrong to smear the original Star trek concept and moral structure. If you really wanted to keep the ORIGINAL feeling. Everybody has an opinion W/e
I hate block texts and deep discussions on the internetz -_-
@RobertMfromLI I think it's great that their are gay characters who show affection in this episode. One of the basic ideals of Star Trek is non-discrimination and a future where all beliefs are accepted. However, I think the make-out scene could have been shorter. It could have been ended when they said "I love you" the last time. That would have been sufficient to establish their closeness. I would have felt the same way if it was a heterosexual couple.
@kaldemvor Ah yes, something we considered... but there's a lot of exposition in the dialog, and finding someplace else to put it was problematic - both in recreating the mood (ie: spending more time setting up another scene to cover it) and fitting it together. Flowed better with the character exposition in one place. And I don't think David (Gerrold) wanted to break up the exposition part either.
@RobertMfromLI I think it's great that their are gay characters who show affection in this episode. One of the basic ideals of Star Trek is non-discrimination and a future where all beliefs are accepted. However, I think the make-out scene could have been shorter. It could have been ended when they said "I love you" the last time. That would have been sufficient to establish their closeness. I would have felt the same way if it was a heterosexual couple.
@mikootz keep in mind that STNG explored an episode touching on this subject. Also, don't forget there are actors within the Star Trek world that are gay. George Takei as Mr. Sulu for one. I will agree that the "rubbing" scene was not necessary when they were in their quarters. But, to curse a mans dream of all peoples becoming one in the future which eventually will happen whether anyone of us like it or not. Your use of foul language only demeans Gene's dream of uniting all of us.
Kirk may have been getting it on with some green chick (an Endorian, by the way, but at least it WAS a chick, and not some dude!!! Boy, the age pf Liberalism has people thinking and doing some really strange shit!! It just ain't natural!
@blacksheep3703 Um, no. An *ORION* - an Orion SLAVE girl no less. *A*ndorians are BLUE. And, we're happy we fulfilled Gene Roddenberry's promise to film this episode. With the support of Majel and Rod - and David Gerrold.
I am genuinely surprised by the hate and destruction most people have towards this episode. I truly wish I was a part of the 25th century then I would never hear such ghastly and vile remarks, I'd imagine.
MetalPharoah 2 hours ago
Costumes, acting, special FX and that "Trek feel" were top-notch. But i felt the gay lovers subplot to be distracting and unexpected. :/
samsoner 2 days ago
GOODGRIEF, just when I was liking this, ....
gay butt humpers
GRANDWORLDDRAMATRIPS 4 days ago
What the hell?! I can't show this to my kids!!! Guys!! Sorry, can't do it. Sheesh. Generally I don't care... but I don't want to watch it. And I was hoping this was going to be generic. Crap!
SuperVocaloidKaito 6 days ago
lol, a good attempt to act like the original cast. Unfortunately the best efforts hardly simulate what it was like. Like the model and special effects. You should have made your own crew and ship to run parallel with Kirk's enterprise.
Marinealver 1 week ago
The "Star Trek" legacy lives on through fan films such as "New Voyages."
Ferocinator 1 week ago
I wonder, is it possible to get involved with making one of these episodes? I've been wanting to make a fan fiction Star Trek story for a while now, but I don't really have the resources to do it all on my own. I'd like to do a Caitian story sometime or another, but Caitians would be hard to do in live action, hence why the only one we've ever seen in trek was in the animated series.
I suppose it could be done in CGI with a person doing the vocals, though.
Shipwright1918 2 weeks ago
This is sensational all around. You capture the look of the classic "Star Trek" series faithfully. You're boldly doing what perhaps other Trekkies have done before.
Ferocinator 2 weeks ago
thanks love new ideas BUT OR BUTT WHY ARE U OVERSELLING THE GAY ASPECT SO HARD! Milder intro to the gay relationship and stronger on the story of STAR TREK would have been. Better the show is about space action not hetro or gay sex relations, but thats just me watching trek since the 60's(an expert) nice try no other new treks on i'll just have to get used to the story change I guess
SuperKirkspock 2 weeks ago
@SuperKirkspock Because a THREE parter (instead of two) would have been well beyond our budget. David managed to cram a lot of character exposition into that one scene (the dialog many miss) and portray the intimacy of their relationship at the same time - which made it possible (with one full shoot and SEVEN pickup shoots) to finish this.
As for the story, it's exactly what David (and Carlos) intended - no story change here. ;-)
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
Are you kidding us, how many times did Kirk find some hot little Alien number to get it on with, even Spock got it on with an alien woman a couple of times, as did Bones. Of course Ahura beets them all, for she got it on with a God in Who Morns for Apollo? If you consider that gay rights are an issue in the 21st century, by the time STOS occurs, everyone should have had equal rights for a long time. Episodes like this simply reflect that possible future.
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
I think creating episodes Roddenberry didn't or couldn't create at the time due to how conservative society was back then is a good thing. I think having an interracial couple would be a good thing, which I think the Serak Amanda relationship represented to some extent.
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
So I take it 50%of all the men gay,,,
67irishfire 2 weeks ago
@67irishfire Uh, what?
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
I have actualy found people who think bigotry dose not exsist in all races. Only Europeans. Then one day I saw a black panther video where a African said he would kill all whites, even babies. It was very educational to see the best and worse can happen all across the board.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
The most illogical thing to me, is all the various groups that have been subjugated, discriminated against, & abused, throughout American & world history, you would think they would all know what it feels like, & would therefore understand how illogical it is to subject someone else to similar treatment. Sadly, people usually learn the hard way, which is why you see sexism, bigotry, etc, even in the gay community, & homophobia & sexism in other groups. Hopefully, we can grow up.
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
Somethings in life are just gay but I still like star trek.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
After years in the closet Star Trek comes out. To late the show has always been gay. j.k. cool your P.C. heals. I said heal dawg. HEAL.....(gurgle...death)
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
The fleet is hard on new kids on the block.Give the noobies a chance! Kirk was a young goof off once.
Damnit Jim I'm a Doctor not a sub Sandwich on a Unicylce at a Klingon Square Dance!
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
Awww I liked the intense spock from the episode Teaki (Sulu) guest stared in. :( Still ok though.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
very sick im sure theres copyright issues involved with this program
norrismike1 3 weeks ago
@norrismike1 No, there aren't any copyright issues involved with this program. Sorry you're very sick.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
@RobertMfromLI well im sorry you took my simple comment to heart did not call you personly sick but if the shoes fits and if you would see a lawyer he will tell you that your show is very much has a copyright issues on less you can post permission letters from all the actors. that a used. permission from star.trek lawyers to use there spaceship.and if you can i will recant my statement witch i dont think will happen have a goodday
norrismike1 3 weeks ago
@norrismike1 Oh, you aren't very sick? Maybe I misread what you wrote. As for the rest, don't speculate. And no, I won't post any such thing - our agreements with cast, crew and companies is private between them and us.
Of course, you could just visit our forums and see them chatting with everyone.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
real idiot arnt you . maybe youve never heard of courts and judges
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
@mrlogicalman1 Do me a favor and keep your vile, disgusting hate off our page. If you need help doing so, let me know and I'll gladly block you.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
Unintentional I know but...
Kirk: You're not going on that highly dangerous away mission!
Peter: Uncle, I'm gay.
Kirk: Get packed, you're going!
lozman67 1 month ago
That was great! Great job by everyone. Can't believe how accurately you captured that 1960's Star Trek feel. Even the lighting is perfect! That also has to be the most HORRIBLE death scene I've ever seen on Star Trek too.Got a kick seeing the picture of the NX-01 on the wall and although everyone did a great job,I'd say Chekov is the closest to the original.He looks,sounds and acts just like Walter Koenig's version.Great job!Looking forward to watching the next part! (Love Denise Crosby)
NorthStaruk1983 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Phase 2: Blood and Fire Part 1
Years ago, I wrote to the official Star Trek magazine and asked why there was never a gay character in Star Trek. Obviously, in Star Trek, being homosexual in the 23rd and 24th century wont matter (although it shouldn't matter right now either), yet there was never a homosexual character of any kind. Someone responded to my letter with 'Gene Roddenberry once commented on the matter with 'We never had a gay character in Star Trek because in the 23rd century, sexuality just isn't an issue'........
NorthStaruk1983 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Phase 2: Blood and Fire Part 1
@NorthStaruk1983 I replied with 'If sexuality isn't an issue, then WHY do we see every characters of every Star trek series in a plot which shows us they're sexual preference. Kirk, McCoy, Spock, Picard, Riker, Worf...even Wesley and Neelix. They ALL had story lines which support them being heterosexual at some point, yet still nothing about homosexuality. I just want to say THANK YOU for doing this. It was a brave choice (knowing some of the back lash you'd get but did it anyway!). Well done!!!
NorthStaruk1983 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Phase 2: Blood and Fire Part 1
@NorthStaruk1983 From all of us, very welcome!
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
I love this, great job guys. 7:54 was a little surprising for me. Haha
Zeigster 1 month ago
your kiddin me ..dumbest thing i ever seen. and i thougt it was gona be something .. wat a laugh..
SuperSPOCK1701 1 month ago
Yall screwd it up with the guy bouncing off the other gu's butt scene
emtvans 1 month ago
recipe for disaster! how are you going to introduce alternative lifestyle on a conservative TV show from the 60's ? Most people who liked the TOS are not going for the same sex scene!
It wasn't in the original, so don't put it in this one that is so close to the original! It is not what we expect to see because it never was...in the original. This was the reason why TNG and voyager was made. TOS will attract most conservative people. Men are masculine and women are femanine on TOS. You giblets
emtvans 1 month ago
@emtvans I dont think you ever watched Star Trek in the 60's, did you? It had a woman in a position of authority, who also happened to be black - not a very conservative view. Neither was having a Russian and a Japanese person... or an alien with those "devil like" ears.
That aside, you do realize such an episode was promised by Gene Roddenberry and David Gerrold, right? And you do realize, just like TOS, we do tackle current day issues, right?
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
Trek has a history of dealing with social issues, it just took television till the 80s & 90s to start dealing with gay issues. If Roddenberry was doing Trek all over starting today, he probably would have gay characters & story lines to develop those characters. As far as the conservatives, screw them, there were networks back in the day that wouldn't air the episode where Kirk & Ahura kiss one another. Even today some conservative cities won't air certain episodes/shows due to content
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
Where is Sulu?
mlee2001 1 month ago
@mlee2001 In the next episode. Kinda just like in TOS where either Sulu or Chekov weren't on shift (or on ship) during certain episodes.
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
@RobertMfromLI Ok cool! Im really enjoying this,thank you for posting. However, i would advise Cpt.Kirk to stay on the bridge,with a hostile Klingon vessel engaging them and a serious crisis going on. I dont know if I would leave that Ensign Dunsel,the conn,but ,then again, im not Kirk,lol. Great job with the acting,storyline,grapics and direction. You need to get some sponsors to put commercials between acts and make a little money....
mlee2001 1 month ago
@mlee2001 Ah... on that... watch that part again. You'll note the Klingon ship was of no threat at the moment. And of course, Kirk's crew is *the* quintessential Starfleet crew, so no worries there either.
Also, we've seen it happen in TOS... how many "Captain Kirk to the bridge" calls were there? ;-)
Oh, and sadly we cannot put commercials or such in - we can only accept fan donations.
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
It looks like the actor playing Checkov was created in a test tube from a couple of Walter Koenig's cells. :)
clay56 1 month ago
Dang it! I was gettting into this until 8:00. Im not a homophobe( my sister is gay) i have no problems with homosexuality but this seems out of place and forced. Capatain James T. Kirks nephew, is gay?? Perhaps if the idea had been explored a bit more subdued in the pilot episode and allowed to progress as the series went on...Like I said, i dont feel like a raging homophobe but seeing that guy crawl on the other guy during my reintroduction to Clasic Trek, is really a bummer.
mlee2001 1 month ago
@mlee2001 Show the episode to your sister. Then, ask her what she thinks about us finally portraying a gay couple in an intimate scene in the same fashion that TV and movies have portrayed straight couples in for many years. I suspect she will tell you that is it about time that gay couples are being portrayed in the same fashion - and we agree.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
@RobertMfromLI That may very well be so, but that does not mean we have to like it...It also may interest you to know that I do not like seeing scenes with male and females like that either when i watch my trek, usually in TOS the love scenes were very brief and only hinted at the action to take place and thats the way i prefer it personally.
mlee2001 3 weeks ago
@mlee2001 I'm not asking you to like it... but still, show it to your sister. I've gotten TONS of emails from people that basically say "thanks for showing me/us in a good light when everyone is trying to either ignore or condemn us"
Simply put, we (which includes the 99% straight cast and crew) didn't think we should treat a gay love scene any differently than today's entertainment would treat a straight one. Gotta remember, this has been updated for the times and events of today.
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
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@RobertMfromLI well unfortunately, my sister is not a big trek fan and though ive sent it to her, she hasnt watched it yet. As for "thanks for showing me/us in a good light when everyone is trying to either ignore or condemn us" To that I say WHY Should they not be ignored? The main reason that happens,is because I dont flaunt that I love women? Should I march in a parade and let everyone know? NO because WHO CARES!? People should just live there lives,not demand attention.
mlee2001 2 weeks ago
@RobertMfromLI Again I dont care what a person sexuality is, just please, dont throw it in my face because I DONT CARE! that goes for hetro,homo and all in between. Thats what bothers me is the "ACCEPT ME, ACCEPT ME!!' cry from the homosexual population. I dont care who or what a person finds sexual attractive,just please dont shove ANY sexuality down my throat. That being said, I am glad and impressed by your show and look forward to more episodes. Very enjoyable. Thank you!
mlee2001 2 weeks ago
@mlee2001, the fact you have no issue with a man & a women, and probably no problem with two women, but two men bums you out, should tell you something about how closed minded you are. I'm not saying you need to watch gay porn or anything, but why shouldn't the gay community who also has lots of Star Trek fans not see themselves represented in Star Trek. Its like George Taki said, "Trek was unique at the time, because the cast weren't stereotypes.
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
There have been gay characters on many sci-fi & fantasy shows, which is why people have said, Star Trek has fallen way behind the times. It used to push the envelope, it had the first interracial kiss, showed Asians, Blacks, & Russians as professionals. This was important, as helped shape the public's view of this segment of the population, & these populations around the world. I think your comment is funny because, strait characters are introduced on shows the same way with noissue
ernestmac13 2 weeks ago
@ernestmac13 Apparently you cant read,or you would have read where i said "It also may interest you to know that I do not like seeing scenes with male and females like that either when i watch my trek" you should really do more research before you start calling people names that are inaccurate to the situation. And yea, it does bum me out,im glad it turns you on,but thats why were all diffrent right?
mlee2001 2 weeks ago
Love this and the original music fromt he tv show great job guys keep it going.
BronxNYE206St 1 month ago
@BronxNYE206St Much thanks - quite a few more in the works.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
no religion on earth says gays will go to heaven . retard. it is unnatural , filthy disgusting and caused AIDS. you think these vermin will be in heaven gays , you realise supporting these worse than animal creatures is just as bad. wen ur in hell with them how many seconds will it take you to hate them too
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
@mrlogicalman1 We all prefer to think that hate, bigotry, vileness and idiocy are "unnatural" - hopefully, one day you will outgrow those.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
@RobertMfromLI While I can agree to most of that I think "justice" can go to far to. If some one burns down a china town in America because they "didn't assimilate" enough I would find that wrong. Or if a town was "to European" and forced to dsisolve away. I think it just depends. The more our governments keep their hand out of personel decisions the better off we seam to do.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
OMG! This show is amazing! I love seeing Star Trek being brought back to life! The cast really does a fantastic job; its like seeing an old friend. I love the new characters as well. Brilliant job! Support this project!!!
practicallama 1 month ago
@practicallama Much thanks from us all!!!
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
Maravilloso, al ver este episodio me habria gustado que en realidad se introdujera esta tematica en la serie original, por alguna razon no habia gays en el futuro o al menos no se hablaba de ellos. Aplausos para todos los actores, cada uno le da su toque especial a cada personaje.
LGFVA 1 month ago
@LGFVA Sorry, I am terrible at writing in Spanish, so my response is in English...
From all of us, thanks for the kind words! We all look forward to a future where people are just people - regardless of their race, orientation, gender or any other such nonsense. :-)
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
filthy faggot ass bandits , will burn nicely in hell .see how long they like being gay then retards
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
@mrlogicalman1 No god is as sick and demented and cruel as... certain people... to punish people for being how s/he made them.
I forget... what's the punishment for the type of judgment you are passing on a WHOLE LOT of people you don't even know? Enlighten me please... and then explain who is really taking the fast elevator to the basement... ;-)
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago 4
@mrlogicalman1 God also teaches not to judge people, that's his job. So shut your mouth and get on with your life.
btwujustlostTHEGAME 1 month ago
the bad acting writing can not come close to the garbage of the having kirks nephew gay..what if kids watch this and thinks its ok time to have it reported,,,i do trust you have the copy-rite for star trek because i know couple of complaints n you tube bans ya
TheOlivertwisted 1 month ago
@TheOlivertwisted I wouldn't attempt to harass us or you may find you are the one who makes YouTube upset.
And as for your what if: if kids watch this and think it's ok if someone is gay, then it means they won't grow up to be a bigot like you appear to be.
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
just sick.....
bombshell31600 1 month ago
@bombshell31600 I hope you get better soon...
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
I had to do a double take - the guy playing Chekov looks and sounds exactly like 1960's Chekov it's spooky!
lozman67 1 month ago
8:35 - Smells like feet and ass in here,
darkguardian1314 1 month ago 2
@darkguardian1314 As long as the scent is comeing from hot looking chicks and it's not to overpowering like a few naughty nasty days but not at a inhuman level. THEN It would be OK.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
THE USA SPACE PROGRAM NOW CONSISTS OF WATCHING STAR TREK WHOSE FAULT IS THAT ?
mitchell2787 1 month ago
@mitchell2787 LoL, not ours, but we're glad we could help provide them something to watch! ;-)
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
i love this but what is it?
torchwoodchesterfiel 1 month ago
@torchwoodchesterfiel Visit our website in the link in the description to find out more.
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
The sad thing is, the rhetoric used against interacial marriages has been utilized word for word in the fight against gay marriage, and in many cases by the religious leaders.who fought against interracial marriage. Unfortunaitly, some of these leaders call for denying gays citizenship, the right to vote, & call for putting gays to death. This in the 21st Century, how sad.
ernestmac13 1 month ago 2
@ernestmac13 Bingo Ernest! And used againts women's rights and more. Fortunately, slowly, we are becoming more of an enlightened society... and thanks for being a part of that!
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
@RobertMfromLI I'm still very concerned that nothing is being done about the global bankers. If they have their way we may never advance beyond the gleam of the almghty dollar.
jakewestwn 2 weeks ago
@jakewestwn Give it time... if we don't destroy ourselves first, the human race will slowly get to where it should be. Or so I hope...
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
We se amongst life on earth that some animals are both male & female, some change from male to female, while some can be said to be neither truly male or female. This is fine when talking about lower life, but when talking about advanced intelligent species some get uncomfortable.
ernestmac13 1 month ago
Anyone else see Anakan Skywalker in Peter Kirk?
darkguardian1314 1 month ago
16:17 - Kirk's reaction funny.
18:01 - ROFLMAO
darkguardian1314 1 month ago
Nice remake, it captured my attention 43 minutes! I look forward to the next episode!
Well Done!
Wildfox01 1 month ago
@Wildfox01 Pssst... Part II, *and* "Enemy: Starfleet, *and* a vignette are online... I'd catch up soon, because another episode is very near to release. ;-)
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
Was that Vin Diesel as Spock?
vassephardi 2 months ago
Where's the pedophiles in this crew???
lynngrube 2 months ago
how dare you put gay creatures in star trek, why dint you make these creatures the alien monsters, theyd suit that so good?
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
@mrlogicalman1 Why would we want to do that? You do realize that gay people exist... kinda like black people and women supposedly exist too.
RobertMfromLI 1 month ago
humans have no shame going about in a primitive cow ship
mrlogicalman1 2 months ago
The way Peter waves that phaser rifle around would get him a very sound beating from the team and the a court martial.
MrBuddydan 2 months ago in playlist Star Trek Phase 2: Blood and Fire Part 1
A Fasa D-7S vs original series Enterprise,poor feds would be sol.
MrBuddydan 2 months ago in playlist Star Trek Phase 2: Blood and Fire Part 1
I clicked on this video and wasn't expecting much, but I was blown away by the quality of the sets, the effects, and the story.
douglas787 2 months ago
@douglas787 Much thanks from us all!!!
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
why doesn't the enterprise use more torpedoes. The klingons use torpedoes but rarely disruptors.
MrHoppers002 2 months ago
@MrHoppers002 They won't be installed till Tuesday...
...oh, wait, that was that movie... nevermind. Artistic choice perhaps? Not sure... never thought about it until now. I suspect it's simply how David wrote it (well, it is how he wrote it, actually). Not sure why... I'll ask him next time we chat, if I remember.
RobertMfromLI 3 weeks ago
lol it's just so weird to see the enterprise so beat up from just 1 d7.
MrHoppers002 3 weeks ago
@MrHoppers002 psst... cloaking device and presumably a surprise attack. That's my story, and I am sticking with it. ;-)
Not sure of David's reasons... I dont think it ever came up in conversation, as various of us thought the cloaking device/attack were enough.
RobertMfromLI 2 weeks ago
Although I loved Majel Barret, and I'll grant you she is the first lady of Star Trek, why doesn't anyone hardly ever remember that it was Lucy Ball that gave the green light on the original series. Shouldn't she be regarded as the mother of Star Trek?
Taopuppy 2 months ago
@Taopuppy Oh, we remember. We have a whole thread on our forums about it. If it weren't for her, there'd be no Star Trek, or it would have been cancelled a lot earlier. Besides allowing the 2nd pilot, she (if memory serves) also pushed for a second season against the advice of the team that worked for her.
RobertMfromLI 2 months ago
man that guy looks like the real chekov!
starwarstrekkie 2 months ago
Holy Fuck! He's Gay! to bad! I think he's cute!
starwarstrekkie 2 months ago
@starwarstrekkie LoL! Which one? And are we discussing the characters or the actors? ;-)
RobertMfromLI 2 months ago
funny! The warp nassel is flameing, yet since there's no air in space, thats not possible
starwarstrekkie 2 months ago
@starwarstrekkie Psst... plasma... oxygen venting through the breach from inside the ship... artistic effect... etc...
;-)
RobertMfromLI 2 months ago
Not to add fuel to the fire here... cuz I love what you've done with the subject matter in this one... but Spock's reaction at hearing that Peter's marrying Alex -- at 15:43 -- is a bit, um, unfortunate... I mean, is he gonna hurl??
I'm lovin' McCoy's line, "Relax Jim. We don't put bullseyes on the red shirts anymore." and then not 5 minutes later, a red shirt gets infected by a wavacle! Hah! Whoa and then later, the way he dies was soooo gross, and by the way, very disturbingly real!
leananshae 3 months ago in playlist More videos from RobertMfromLI
@leananshae LoL, no, his reaction was for other reasons. He was a bit uncomfortable with the fact that everyone but Kirk knew - which he tries addressing and making Kirk feel a little better about with his "Mr. Scott" joke.
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
Are the guys in love for real, cuz I can usually tell when actors are just saying 'I love you' and don't mean it (which is like 99% of the time) and when these two said it, I didn't sense any halted weirdness in their voices. And that's something very hard to pretend to do.
leananshae 3 months ago in playlist More videos from RobertMfromLI
@leananshae They both just happen to be very good actors. :-)
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
oh, is it anal trek?!
Or do they need such a open minded thing like years before ... i mean the kiss between Uhura and Kirk, first black-white interaction.
but exept this, like it or not, it is just a very good project!
I enjoy it!
oa02071970 3 months ago
@oa02071970 LoL! David tried getting this out earlier, but the network executives balked and his and Gene's promises were forbidden. Finally, through our production, he managed to get the story told, albeit decades later sadly.
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
@RobertMfromLI
The funny thing is...Cptn Kirk, Womanizer No1 in the Universe has a GAY nephew ... i rolled around my chair ;)
But why not.. thats life...but i would prefer to see nice women instead guys kissing another ;)
oa02071970 3 months ago
Nice seeing Majel's picture.
We had a black & white TV. Never saw the NBC peacock in color!
Interesting seeing it again and hearing the music.
Well done! Props new or the originals?
robertgift 3 months ago
@robertgift And hearing her voice! She of course has reprised her role as the voice of the Enterprise computer (as she has in all our episodes).
She was also gracious and kind enough to record a lot of computer dialog for us, which we are thankful for.
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
why is everyone commenting on the gayness who cares if they are gay in the orginal star trek it was shockig they were black or asian or alien now its one of the reasons why the sho lasted so long it appealed to ppl on a human level
talkindurinthemovie 4 months ago
@talkindurinthemovie Bingo!
And we've gotten some great emails from a few fans who've realized the problem with their "gayness" or even closeness isn't a problem with the episode, but their own problem to deal with. It was (is) so rewarding getting such emails knowing we've made a positive difference in the world, and knowing one more person realizes people are people, regardless of their orientation (or color or gender or religion, etc).
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
I LOVE MCCOY...there's something very grandad about his character
talkindurinthemovie 4 months ago
I thought it was great exept for the gay part. Star Trek is something I look up to and being gay is not.
kayleegirl1967 4 months ago
@kayleegirl1967 It isn't about looking up to being gay. It's about treating others with the respect and dignity they deserve based on *who they are* instead of *who they love or sleep with*.
In the 1960's and earlier, it was black people; segregation and miscegenation - and equal employment treatment for women. And the 1920's before women got the right to vote. Being a woman or being black isn't something to look up or down to: IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDNT MATTER. JUST LIKE BEING GAY OR STR8.
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
This is the first time I have ever seen this remake... Had no idea it even existed. Looking to watch the first shows now... THANK YOU !!
multiz007 4 months ago
WOW!!
Their special effects on the exteriors have gotten MUCH much better since their first episode!!
- The Music Loving Klingon
Qoltar 4 months ago
That has to be one of THE greatest intro's in Star Trek history.
AGNTthrasher 4 months ago
boring!
marcusbbm17 4 months ago
They are great actors but the two Kirks.
Durhandoni80 5 months ago
USS Copernicus looks like the Miranda Class USS Reliant.
USSVoyager5 5 months ago
@USSVoyager5 And she started on a napkin a few of us passed around. From our napkin-drawings, Joel Belucci turned our scribbles into that beautiful ship.
RobertMfromLI 3 months ago
The acting isn't the usual cheesy awful Trekkie fan acting. These guys are GOOD. Great acting. I'm enjoying this more than the last movie.
jjtrossen 5 months ago
Yes, the gay rubbing made me uncomfortable; however, I am not offended by it. Actually, I'm glad the producers of P2 are of the ilk that would include these characters and scenes. All of us love ST but not all of us love it for the same exact reasons. I'm glad the producers are carrying Gene's torch and advancing the messages.
jonathoncarterschall 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI why do your waste your time responding to mikootz? He's a waste of valuable time and the best thing to do is just report him to youtube under thumbs down and it gives you an option to report him as inappropriate and flag him. If youtube gets enough complaints..they'll remove his account.
wolfstev76 5 months ago
@wolfstev76 Eh, so an answer is somewhere on the first page... anyway, not going to block him or flag the comment. Hiding bigotry and/or hate solves nothing. Oh, and I was bored... ;-)
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
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FAGGOTS IN SPACE SPREADING AIDS ACROSS THE UNIVERSE.LMAO
SVRBROODGANGREL666 5 months ago
@SVRBROODGANGREL666 Yeah, you're an ass.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
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@RobertMfromLI U MUST BE A COCKSMOKER AS WELL.DIRTY CUNT
SVRBROODGANGREL666 5 months ago
"Guess who?"
"Mr. Sulu?"
"You wish!"
lol
kaldemvor 5 months ago
It just does not feel like Star Trek with all the male to male stuff - I love what the episodes are doing overall but it is overdone - they could be gay without actually showing actual kissing and stuff. It ruins it when the style and feel of the show is hampered by such scenes. Not even Voyager bothered with such scenes for good reason. Things have their place in the universe but this is TOS Trek with a 60s flavour - I dont know how else to put it really without offending.
LiteracyLabyrinth2 5 months ago
@LiteracyLabyrinth2 Sure! As soon as straight scenes are handled the same way. Until then, we refuse to discriminate because of people's personal sensibilities and prejudices.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI Fair enough mate. I hope you guys are going to make some new eps soon as I cant tell you how much I enjoyed these eps you created - absolutely stuning overall! The sets were mind snapping!
LiteracyLabyrinth2 5 months ago
This is awesome, you are awesome, all of you are fucking awesome!
HumilityandHonor 5 months ago
@HumilityandHonor Why thank you!
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
THE GAY SHIT NEEDS TO GO.
cuttock 5 months ago
@cuttock Nope, needs to stay exactly where David Gerrold put it.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI i am only 15 minutes in to this i am not gay myself but this is what star trek is all about the rights of all peoples good job guys
CaptainJellico1701d 5 months ago 7
@CaptainJellico1701d Bingo! Thanks for understanding and being a true Star Trek fan that understands what it's all about!!! :-)
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@CaptainJellico1701d as of dec 15 2011 your rights are in question because of the new ndaa sec 1031 ..enjoy
valdarmort 2 months ago
@cuttock The bigots and homophobes need to go!!!
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
Gay in Star Trek? fuck off
mikootz 5 months ago
@mikootz Get a life and grow up.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI
It's just not right mate, peace out
mikootz 5 months ago
@mikootz Love is always right. Your own prejudices are your own... you can choose to keep them or to grow as a person. Some people are hardwired with same sex attraction - would you deny them love, or the ability to express it? If not, then what's different between this and opposite sex couples making out all over TV? Which brings us back to you re-evaluating your own prejudices and dealing with them. Fortunately, our team doesn't have such (hence the episode).
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI
The 2 just don't mix, and in my opinion you just laid in the gay scene so that the episode seemed more "politicaly corect" and "judgement free" i'm surprized that you didn't throw in some anti-antisemitism or racial corect messege. It's not about anybodys prejudices,it's just wrong to smear the original Star trek concept and moral structure. If you really wanted to keep the ORIGINAL feeling. Everybody has an opinion W/e
I hate block texts and deep discussions on the internetz -_-
mikootz 5 months ago
@mikootz *in your opinion* - 99% of our fans disagree.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@mikootz Homophobic asshole in my channel? fuck off.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
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mikootz 5 months ago
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@RobertMfromLI - "Homophobic asshole in my channel? fuck off. "
Take a chill pill, and gulp up some man juice sailor , shhhht
mikootz 5 months ago
@mikootz LoL, don't transpose your fantasies on me.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI I think it's great that their are gay characters who show affection in this episode. One of the basic ideals of Star Trek is non-discrimination and a future where all beliefs are accepted. However, I think the make-out scene could have been shorter. It could have been ended when they said "I love you" the last time. That would have been sufficient to establish their closeness. I would have felt the same way if it was a heterosexual couple.
kaldemvor 5 months ago
@kaldemvor Ah yes, something we considered... but there's a lot of exposition in the dialog, and finding someplace else to put it was problematic - both in recreating the mood (ie: spending more time setting up another scene to cover it) and fitting it together. Flowed better with the character exposition in one place. And I don't think David (Gerrold) wanted to break up the exposition part either.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI I think it's great that their are gay characters who show affection in this episode. One of the basic ideals of Star Trek is non-discrimination and a future where all beliefs are accepted. However, I think the make-out scene could have been shorter. It could have been ended when they said "I love you" the last time. That would have been sufficient to establish their closeness. I would have felt the same way if it was a heterosexual couple.
kaldemvor 5 months ago
@mikootz keep in mind that STNG explored an episode touching on this subject. Also, don't forget there are actors within the Star Trek world that are gay. George Takei as Mr. Sulu for one. I will agree that the "rubbing" scene was not necessary when they were in their quarters. But, to curse a mans dream of all peoples becoming one in the future which eventually will happen whether anyone of us like it or not. Your use of foul language only demeans Gene's dream of uniting all of us.
wolfstev76 5 months ago
@wolfstev76
Homosexuality = Psychopathia Sexualis (look it up) Cheers
mikootz 5 months ago
@mikootz Not according to any real, accredited medical institution of this day and age.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
@RobertMfromLI
Oky Doky
mikootz 5 months ago
Kirk may have been getting it on with some green chick (an Endorian, by the way, but at least it WAS a chick, and not some dude!!! Boy, the age pf Liberalism has people thinking and doing some really strange shit!! It just ain't natural!
blacksheep3703 5 months ago
@blacksheep3703 Um, no. An *ORION* - an Orion SLAVE girl no less. *A*ndorians are BLUE. And, we're happy we fulfilled Gene Roddenberry's promise to film this episode. With the support of Majel and Rod - and David Gerrold.
RobertMfromLI 5 months ago
33:00 MUTINY that is a first indeed
walkandlookup 6 months ago
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the series should be "asexuated"
walkandlookup 6 months ago
really disapointed witht the gay scene
walkandlookup 6 months ago
I totally was not expecting the homosexuality scene! lol Guess that's what happens when i don't watch the episodes in order.
kendall916 6 months ago
@kendall916 Funny how you're only called a Geek, nerd or other name if you're into things that aren't moronic.
VinnyMonster1 6 months ago