When i watch this video, i feel sorry for these guys. Although there is something pure about the thought of tribes untouched by the taint of modern society, these people live in ignorance and without any goals but to survive.
@SinaSing Don't feel sorry for them. They don't live in ignorance, they live with great wisdom, and survival is not hard. Their land is very plentiful. Yes, we have advantages in healthcare, i'll give you that. Education? Well...we have our own ignorance in the way we live. You acknowledge it yourself with the word pure... we are unpure, and we know it
Hey proteanview, I'm looking for one of your old videos. Its the one where you're talking about conversations that you have or have overheard with your friends when they describe what they want in a woman or a sexual partner and they describe body parts like objects. You made a comparison between it and how when people go to the groceries they are looking for certain things.
I moved to Portugal years ago, visited the more remote mountain areas, without national roads and electricity. I found "simple" people, unpolluted by our civilization(despite of catholicism), poor but giving. specially the elders impressed me much - apart from a hard life, that had bend their bodies, their eyes looked young and innocent, in encounters they were always funny and in a good mood. When I think of them, then like of a reservation of human beings - makes me sad to see what WE became.
Survivor season 9 was filmed here. Every country they go to gets lots of money from CBS and must be economically friendly with the US (hence 16 seasons until they did China). So, don't know how much I'm buying this "free of government dependence" stuff. That said, I admit there are definite advantages to their way of life. Unfortunately, it's missing the key component in my life: information. I want to know as much as I possibly can, and this way of life supports indefinite segregation.
@andid If you say you'd be happier living in a forest, wholly independent, by all means. The forest waits. But most people I know like AC, Heating, Refrigeration, the ability to travel and communicate over long distances, etc...too much. Its the convenience we depend on and take for granted. I'm not saying either way of life is the be-all: one is clearly experimental, one practically unchanging. Depending on what happens in the future, either strategy could win out.
You know I was thinking during the great depressions the only creature that starves to death is 'civilized' (domesticated) man. The animals keep on going, and the 'savages' (not dumb enough to use money, yet.) do as well.
The stock market crashes/hyperinflation etc etc and nothing changes at all for these people. They still eat and live.
People say all races are "equal" yet look at these apes and compare their civilization to that of the Romans and the Greeks and tell me again that we are "equal".
@LobsterPotsticker The original Eygptians were not nubians do you realise that? Google for pictures of Ramses the 2nd and you will see that he had straight blond hair. The Aztecs inherited their civilization from the white "Solutreans" who were the first humans to arrive in America. Anywhere you see a pyramid there has been an aryan. Lobsterpotsticker you are following the ideology of the eternal Jew Zionist Franz Boas. Read the work of his biggest rival and real aryan man Madison Grant.
@lostwisdom100 ramses was 1 king lol. & it's known egypt was taken over & ruled by somolian kings for a time /ramses hair wasn't blond it was red
U should brush up on mesoamerican history too.. "aztecs" or mexicas arrived to the valley fairly recently in comparison to others there zapotecs, mixtec, puercherpa, ishkatec, etc & all built pyramids too
saying only aryans built them = nonsensical!
pyramids were all over the world in china, guatemala, etc before "aryan tribesman" were even a group
@LobsterPotsticker You also don't know about the Tocharians then, because they were blond haired blue eyed people who went through North India and settled in China. I agree that there were mulatto and nubian rulers eventually but they coincided with the decline and downfall of ancient Eygpt. Read about the Solutreans, they were from Spain and France. They crossed on the ice melting it for water and hunting for food. They interbred with the siberian indians that came over after them.
You're forgetting that the Romans went after the 'apes' in Germany, Britain and France (Gauls, Visigoths) who lived in similar fashion.
Rome destroyed them, forced them to use money (which is the key to control over others obviously.) and then said 'you are now civilized' - now go work you peasant idiots.
I live in England there was a documentary about this on tanna in Vanuatu. The guy who spke very fast in this doc, could well be one if the ones in the docu.
Anyway they came here to see what it's like and tell the locals how they live. They didn't much like western worlds and I'm glad for them, we are HEAVILY dependent on gov.
One of the reasons these people have a good life, is that nature kills off many of their people allowing there to be a balance between resources and population. In the western world we send rice and medicine so that tribal people can live to fuck some more and have even more children who will of course starve. (so we can "help" them too)
@SmokeRingsPipeDreamsl so you're saying they have a good life because they don't need to use contraception?
and what's this about help?... these people don't seem in need of help, i don't think these are sent any help. africa is really big you know; it's a continent not a country.
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams. same difference, dude. i didn't check that part, sure. and i haven't heard of Vanatu before. doesn't change my argument at all. and there are more people like this.
I've often thought about our freedoms in comparison to true freedom of this kind. Of course they also have lots of premature death, disease etc. A nice balance would be nice between the two.
Wow, they may not have a western society with all the technological marvels but they also don't have any of the problems that come with it. Yes we can teach them about technology but they can teach us about life.
They might not depend on money and government, but they're not any freer for it. They depend on the whims of nature and the local food supply. If they have a bad harvest, people starve. If their animals get sick, people starve. If they get sick, they die. Diseases that we can easily cure are crippling.
In short, quit comparing the worst of modern civilization to the best of ancient civilization. It's a stacked comparison.
@PeanutButterGoodness - and when the best modern civilization has a banking crisis and everyone must pay the price? When poor starve and have no health care while the rich never suffer. When we are suffering from rising mental illness and stress and lifestyle related illness. Look I'm not saying such ancient societies are better. Certainly not. On the contrary - I don't think there is a better or worse - a good or evil - just things that are.
Actually, proteanview, they do depend on "government" (sorry, conservatives). "Government" is just another word for the values of the community trumping the desires of the few. It is only in our society that everybody is on their own, and that amoral hoarding of wealth is seen as some kind of virtue.
@mattbenzing NOOOOOOO They has no govnment cuz they aints got no archons iz all boutz the archonz, leik the leaders who are acrheons but not callzed the archons, SHUT UP UR STOPID!
"Obviously, they have a decent life span & healthy life w/o modern medicine because they eat natural/unprocessed foods, they get exercise & they don't breathe polluted air. "
Such a great video! This made my day. Wouldn't we all want some one like that as our leader? Maybe not as old, but half as wise. Any way another reason why I subscribed to this channel.
when confronted with the simple honesty and noble connection with nature that these lifestyles display, the first thing people do is start pointing fingers at races or political ideologies for taking this away, maybe monotheism is to blame, maybe the white man, maybe capitalism, who knows, but returning to this life is something we can all aspire to
Within both worlds they contain people doing the same thing, that being surviving. They show us that money is not needed. We show them technological advancement. Within both worlds they contain people that can be doing more than just surviving, they can be truly LIVING, experiencing a multitude of life's possibilities. Truth.
Yeah, western ways of life certainly have their downsides, but it's clear that western ways of life also have benefits that living like a nomadic, African tribesperson doesn't.
Well I don't see any real benefit to their lives as it is. The guy with his penis wrapped in thatch lived a wasted life. The Westerner benefits from a long chain of innovation, multiplying the worth of his work. They will kill for our radios and the medicine that actually works.
They also didn't show you the "building fucking' ritual where men take a long rod and run it back and forth on a door to show their male domination of women. In fact they didn't show any women speaking at all.
Modernizing is just a natural progression. They'd get there eventually anyways. It would just be nice to "modernize" into something peaceful and beneficial to everyone other than greed filled every man for hisself bs. There is SO many other routes this world could have went into but I guess greed comes out on top every time.
Amazing video, thank-you for sharing. What a great man, wanting to protect his people and their culture, I'm sure the people of his tribe will be sad to see him go. I wish him happiness in life and peace in death.
@Baffykoma Yeah, good thing the Muslims didn't get to Vanuatu or it would be a desert by now, walked over by generations of people who don't innovate, don't progress, just tend their goats as they've always tended goats.
@natmanprime Actually Algebra was a Hindu invention, the Arabs just claimed to transmit it. I know the Aztecs did rather SLOPPY irreversible fatal heart-surgery, but what shit are you telling me that there was successful heart surgery in the Muslim countries??
algebra is an ARABIC WORD - 'al-jabr'- "restoration".
it's roots go back to babylon, through indian maths, and was further distinguished as a subject in it's own right in a MUSLIM COUNTRY. My point is muslims accepted it. So Islam + civilization can co exist. As civilisation improves, islam is phased out. Like Christianity in rich countries.
@natmanprime Let's talk about today, faggot. Muslims account for (by somewhat inflated figures and coercive government systems) 20% of the world's population. Yet only 1% of all scientific papers are written by Muslims...
although, er, homosexuality isn't really the issue here?? You've got it on the brain, you need to get your self a boyfriend!
now lets see...well, we stand on the shoulders of the past, so we can't ignore it. Anyhow, muslims are in a sorry state now because of western intervention, i'm talking saudi oil, saddam hussein(iraq), iran, pakistan.
the crusades fucked up turkey.
This allows islam to flourish, where it would've faded away with education
@natmanprime Oh, yeah, RIGHT, Muslims are bad at science NOW because of Western oppression a thousand years ago. Too right. Muslims are bad at science because they think they have a book with all the answers, so there is no need to actually INVESTIGATE answers.
@natmanprime Why don't you answer where on Earth there was successful Middle Age Islamic heart-surgery? I'm still wondering about that statement of yours.
We mustn't aggrandize loser, also-ran cultures. Only the Scientific Revolution and the Age of Enlightenment, in Europe, counts for something.
@natmanprime Muslims didn't start the Enlightenment! Muslims live in a slave-mentality. That's what Islam means, "slavery". Europeans lived through a struggle of religions and that caused a Free Inquiry mentality. That is why today Muslims only contribute 1% of all scientific papers to the journals. The only bright spots in the Muslim past was when people like Persians newly conquered by the Arab rabble were new to Islam. When they got it right, Free Inquiry stopped.
@Dracopol islam means "submission" literally, to God, NOT "slavery". You've made no intellectual investigation into what I've said, even though it disagrees with what you've said. This demonstrates to me that you are not interested in enlightenment. You therefore do not belong among those who are enlightened. You are not an intellectual, but a politician, seeking only to rationalise the evidence in your favour.
once again YES culture/religion is bad, but intellectuals reside in all cultures.
@natmanprime He who submits is a slave! We don't have to listen to boosters for Islam any more than we have to listen to boosters for the Church of Scientology! There is NO enlightenment to be found from Islam, only primitivism and backwardness. In NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, Oct. 2003, "Saudi Arabia", it was revealed the entire Middle East translates only 300 foreign books into Arabic each year! (Spain translates 16,500 a year into Spanish!) They do NOT love new learning!
@Dracopol there's a difference between a 'muslim country' and a theocracy. Muslim countries have become theocracies. christian countries used to be that way until the population got comfortable enough, i'm talking the middle ages, witch burning, pogroms, etc.
As for submission, one must submit in order to enjoy stuff like music, or art. We can be 'slaves' to our instincts. Submission is not ALWAYS negative. Meditation can be submission.
@natmanprime Except that CSI, the Committee for Scientific Investigation, showed that meditation didn't do anything better than talking to yourself!
Even in the worst of the Christian Middle Ages, nobody cut off hands, and nobody had sex with 9-year-old girls. It would have been considered UnChristian.
@Dracopol regarding meditation, you have no idea what you're talking about. 1)talking to yourself is a type of meditaton, as long as it is rigourous and honest, that's what 'meditating on the problem' means. 2)that wasn't the type of meditation i was talking about. I mean emptying your head of thoughts, finding peace within. 3)you can leave meditation thing to one side ANYWAY because you still have to submit to enjoy music.
@natmanprime I think you are using selective accounting. In the total accounting, Islam is much, much worse than Christianity. Christianity doesn't seek to KILL you when you leave. Islam does. That's the official penalty for leaving Islam: death.
I'm no defender of any religion, though; you'll always find SOME problem, like the Christians dying from cyanide Kool-Aid in their guts in Jonestown, Guyana. And meditation flat-out doesn't work, says the CSI (had members like, oh, Carl Sagan).
@Dracopol Islam NOW is perhaps worse than xtianity. Islam THEN was more civilised than xtianity.
1000 years ago was xtianity's Dark Ages, the worst time of barbarism anywhere on the planet ever. It was pure HORROR.
And it was all justified by xtianity. Infanticide, genocide, holocausts.
Someone like Ibn-al Nafis could never have ammassed his vast library of knowledge, alot of which was extremely modern, vast leaps from what was before, i.e. Galen, Avicenna.
@natmanprime Nope! Glorified agitprop history. The great university of Baghdad was NOT interested in furthering the boundaries of human knowledge. It was founded (15 years AFTER the universities of Charlemagne, by the way!) so the Caliph could collect large amounts of information on administration and how to rule people with an iron fist: weapons of control, administrative procedures, divide-and-conquer politics. It was, in short, a war college. To enslave MORE people under Islam!
@Dracopol look up Islamic Golden Age. It just about covers everything.
looked up Charlemagne- a big entry, one small paragraph on education, referring to "carolingian rennaisance". (Btw he couldn't write.)
checked it:
8-9th century. quote: "Sir K. Clark thought that through the Carolingian Renaissance, Western civilization survived by the skin of its teeth. The use of the word "renaissance"... is contested... Instead of being a rebirth of new culture... it wanted to recreate roman culture"
@natmanprime Talk about an Islamic golden age is puffery. Their technological advances were borrowed from the scholars of the cultures they invaded. Desert goat-herders from Arabia themselves did not create new knowledge; all they could do was make war! And it was all in the service of enslaving humanity. It's as if you were to glorify the technological advancements of the Nazis, such as jet-planes, to the point where you believe the whole world should have become Nazi!
@Dracopol Not really accurate. Just of the cuff I can think of the "123456789" <- Arabic numbers. That was not 'invaded' for.
It was a golden age for various reasons until it fell apart... A common theme in history. For example these peoples neighbours on Papa new Guinea independently invented farming pretty early on in world history but this did not beget a chain of events to 'jet-planes' and telephones.
Histories a mixed bag with no savages or genius' or manifest destinies.
@CmdrTobs No, they are the HINDU-Arabic numbers. The Hindus invented them, the Arabs only transmitted them. I don't think civilization is a matter of random happenstance. All real, worthwhile civilization can only be traced to the Age of Enlightenment, in Europe. The weakening of religion, 350 years ago after the obscenity of the Galileo trial must have something to do with it. So it's silly to say Islam inspired knowledge. Islam invaded already knowledgeable people like the Persians.
@Dracopol "good thing the Muslims didn't get to Vanuatu or it would be a desert by now, walked over by generations of people who don't innovate, don't progress, just tend their goats as they've always tended goats." Given you mention goat herding and a desert, I took that to mean Arabs, rather than Muslim.
I don't believe irrational belief itself innovates. Further I was pointing to the modern form of the numbers are defiantly Arabic, rather than the orgins of the place system.
@Dracopol I don't think Civilization is random happenstance. I don't think anyone thinks that. It's a common fallacy to think the opposite to design by a 'big man' is 'random happenstance'.
Civilisation clearly is a consequence of being sedentary. The more time a society has been sedentary the more chance of innovations. The time from the year of sedentary living to jet aeroplanes is essentially the 'random happenstance' of climate/resources/neighbouring communities etc.....
@Dracopol Sir Kenneth Clark thought that through the Carolingian Renaissance, Western civilization survived by the skin of its teeth. The use of "renaissance" to describe this period is contested due to the majority of changes brought about, being confined almost entirely to the clergy, and due to it lacking the wide-ranging social movements of the later Italian Renaissance. Instead of being a rebirth of new cultural movements, the period was an attempt to recreate the culture of Roman Empire.
@natmanprime Islam was not creating anything new either, just the same old theocratic slavery. It was NOT an advancement and it certainly is not now. 20% of the world is enslaved by Islam, but only 1% of all scientific journal articles are by Muslim scientists. National Geographic of Oct. 2003 said that the Middle East only translates 300 foreign books into Arabic per year. By comparison, a modern country like Spain translates 16,500 books into Spanish each year.
@Dracopol take your shitty statistics and shove them up your arse with a spade
you're arguing a point i never raised, and are not adressing the point i DID make.
millionth time: I KNOW middle east is theocratic now, and that's a bad thing. Now what? You twat.
Also: I never said islam kick started anything. I said...knowledge from an islamic country kick started the rennaisance when it was taken by the crusades.
@natmanprime Wrong. Muslim conquerors were interested in consolidating knowledge, particularly administrative knowledge, to rule their Empire with an iron fist. They had to import scholars from Persia, from China, and even from those awful White Europeans. Islam can not be said to have "kick-started" anything. The Renaissance was an initiative only where religion was WEAKENED, during Catholic-Protestant wars.
And I'm not talking just witches, ANYBODY who leaves Islam MUST be killed by them!
@lavieinrose1 Proteanview cannot move with them until those who are responsible of polluting nature, creating Wars and diseases are dealt with.
By your comment, I can tell you are NOT an aboriginal/indigenous. Who r U ? This planet would have been a paradise if a certain People were NOT crafted from the aboriginals.So Dear Lavieinrose, honor your father and your Mother.
Well, they do have a government, the Chief. But it is minimally intrusive. Sometimes I wish there was more of this, so civilized people could have the choice of dropping out and living a simpler sustainable life.
@tenagliac Seems to me he's more of an advisor than necessarily a decision-maker, though granted his people are likely to take his advice. But even if he has a greater degree of power than the others, he doesn't use it for personal gain.
I agree with you, it's not all good but I'm not claiming the west to be all bad either, much good has come from the west. My point was directed at those individuals who view the clip with a black and white mindset, thinking ' we are much more advanced than them ' without acknowledging the ills of the west. I think we can learn some lessons from these tribes about the important things in life. Many people in the west live unhappily despite all our ' progress '.
This is the way to live, not the self important western life which institutionalizes slavery. This simple life is the way, but most of us are too fucked up and jaded by our poisoned conditioning in the ultra fancy civilizations that are not even close to being civil whatsoever, because the invented needs we have always leads to war.
One of my Anthropology porofessors studied in Vanuatu. I do not know if she "studied" this particular group, but there is a searing envy amongs westerners particularly those of European descent, of pre-Adamic cultures. This envy usually gets expressed as a desire to uplift, civilise and teach those old cultures "how" to live on this planet.
Native tribes are so beautiful, they have such beautiful cultures and lives. When I was a kid it was my biggest dream to leave civilisation and go and live with a stone-age tribe in the jungle somewhere. I still regret that I didn't try to act on that dream. : )
Man, if you really think life really was better in the pre-industrial age, perhaps you should crack open a history book and read about improvements world-wide in terms of life-expectancy and human achievement over the last 200-300 years. And I love the disdain with which you regard modern medicine - eating fresh food does not stop cholera. I'd rather breathe polluted city air and eat evhil processed food, than remain so hopelessly ignorant about the world beyond the confines of a small valley.
@goatman257 Good point dude. A lot of Westerners do tend to see it as all or none, black or white. Can't stop for a minute to consider that we could learn from others cuz we think we're number 1. So ignorant
I envy civilizations that can still survive in such a way, without modern technology. Believe it or not, there are many in THIS country choosing to walk away from the clutter and go back to simple living.
it isn't a utopia, and he is a conservative...wants things to remain the same, unchanging, fears his loss of influence (they no longer listen to his advice) there are no utopias for the simple reason that most humans, no matter their origin, ethnic background, ethos,etc. will do what is most beneficial to themselves. the chief is no saint and no exception.
@DeadSpaceX whenever someone shows benefits of other lifestyles, someone always assumes that they are trying to convey utopia. they just can handle compliments of another.
conservatives believe in a free market & cater 2 business. there is no market there. tribal cultures are ollective & communal (& not by force) which is why there are no orphans & even nomads roam together. most westerners do what's best for self & they arrogantly (ignorantly) assume their way of life is human nature.
@khemeticone depends on your definition of conservative, to me it means someone who wants to maintain the status quo. never said they're weren't benefits to their lifestyle, it's no better and no worse than other societies...just different. attempting to be nice...but you seem to have an illusion that nomadic, or what would be considered primal cultures are some sort of ideal...
They can be as brutal, if not more so than western/eastern counterparts...
@DeadSpaceX seems like pro meant politically conservative as he used liberal too. conservatism has nothing to do with change.
the only thing i say about nomads is that they are communal and collective. again, i never said it was ideal... just communal to prove your assumption wrong about all humans being selfish. again, you assumed i was trying to say it was utopian or ideal as folks do when someone points out good of another lifestyle.
@khemeticone not all nomads are communal, mayhap they are...and where exactly did i say all humans? i don't make generalizations like that...and never said their lifestyle was wrong...chip on your shoulder much? you really shouldn't try to infer or assume, i said exactly what i mean.
@DeadSpaceX part 2: no one ever said they were more or less brutal. again, you just make things up to find wrong instead of acknowledging that they have some things good. it's like you take personal offence. however, only their western and eastern counterparts have dropped bombs and committed genocide.
@khemeticone i didn't make anything up...show me where before you start dancing on your grandstand defending the rights of primal cultures everywhere...i took no offense, as i said in the previous reply...you shouldn't try to assume anything. you're starting to come across as one of those that just automatically assume because someone is from a western culture they are ignorant, prejudice, and biased towards primal cultures or other types of societies, fyi, prejudgement is dangerous, and stupid.
"They rely on nature..." Nature can be brutal and unforgiving; so much so that mankind has historically taken measures to protect against nature. These measures are called technology.
@hallavast yes nature can be brutal and unforgiving but instead of running away from it and polluting it, they learned to live with it. apparently those measures are not needed. they live around nature. you live around controlled money and debt and pollution and traffic and recessions and pesticide
@khemeticone Again, I agree that they have a "good" life, and it is good that fortune has allowed them that. But you can't point to them and say that the rest of the world can live like that. We can't. Their social structure doesn't hold up in large populations, and most of the world is not as hospitable as where they live. Good for them, but the rest of us can not join them. Not without most of us dying first.
There is beauty in living with nature. Great video.
I liked your part about "slaves to technology". This is how we live today, we are slaves because our current political paradigm is based off of antiquated ideas(price system). It doesn't work for or with Natures natural processes.
So, what is your belief Protean? Do you believe in this stuff or just giving differing viewpoints?
@newb2yutube As Carl Sagan said, "We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."
I see nothing wrong with a price system. However I do object to the prohibition of competing currencies, which is a MAJOR problem in many of today's industrialized countries. You have to remember that we're not actually seeing capitalism in America, but fascism.
@andrewh817 Funny quote yet you defend the price system? The price system has been proven by science(that is with measurable and proven data) that it is incapable of sustaining a high energy technological society. I can send you the necessary information that shows this. Biophysical economics is coming out and saying this as of about six or so months ago. They are considered a "hard science" of economics.
By the way, the price system doesn't have to sustain a "high energy technological society" for me to want to use it. Depending on how you look at it, you could call our society a high energy technological society that is unsustainable.
But it's not unsustainable due to some flaw of the price system. It's unsustainable because the Fed Reserve can print money without being accountable to those who use it. That's counterfeiting.
@andrewh817 So you want to go back to 18th century Adam Smith Agrarian society? So we can use slaves instead of machinery. That seems GREAT!(sarcasm) Machines are the new "slaves", without it we are going backwards as a society. The price system is an antique system of control. It sufficed well in a low tech society, it won't today. That is a fact.
@andrewh817 So, I'd step back and consider what I'm talking before saying things I don't have a clear understanding of...If I were you. I agree with the "type" of price systems we are seeing are more alarming than others. They still won't last, because in order to function, they need growth. This entails growth in energy conversion for the operation of society. Peak Oil is a major issue, once we past the peak oil plateau, say bye bye to the price system.
@newb2yutube You accuse me of being uninformed (without specifying what I'm uninformed about), yet you seem to not realize the real issue with our economy which is "fiat currency."
Look, I'm all for spending time in nature, learning useful things for survival, and getting in shape while doing it, but that doesn't mean I have to reject money as a concept. You keep asserting that price systems need growth to function, yet you've never explained yourself in depth.
@andrewh817 I told you I can send you the necessary information that proves this. You want me to explain it in comments? No, that I cannot do. I will send you the information through a personal message though.
Are you aware of the function of money or commodity valuation? You obviously don't. Even though fiat currency is an issue, anything else, like a "gold standard" is proven not to work.
@leostomicek this is true. What would happen if this tribe was composed of more than 1000 people? What would happen if there were some other tribe that wanted their resources or even to enslave them? I admire these people, but we must realize that they are fortunate to be able to live these lives. It isn't simply a choice that anyone has the power to make.
@leostomicek First of all, they are not two different organisms. They are both lifestyles... different lifestyles because we compare things with differences. They are two different lifestyles. Secondly, you can compare two different organisms particularly if there is a constant - people. This is a comparison of how people live.
They couldn't recruit very many people to their lifestyle if they wanted to. Only small groups of people could live like this, and only in a few regions of the Earth. Few biomes are able to support a primitive way of life and allow high lifespan. I wish our society had been set up differently as well--but what's done is done. All we can hope to do is work to improve our world little by little until, millenia down the line, we'll have a near-perfect world. Technological advancement ftw.
@vortical911 One hundred years from now, This age in humanity will live on in infamy. Where we exploded on growth, with the help of technology and available energy and destroyed our civilization because we couldn't handle adapting to live along with nature. Population is too high, so there will be a major die off and resource wars soon in the future. It is sad, people can't see the hand writing on the wall. All we can do is hope and try to improve our world. BTW look into TNAT.
The corporate monsters will never let anything thrive alone. The must OWN, RULE, ENSLAVE.
If you are smart you will work in their offices in a cubicle making them rich. If you are brilliant you will work in their labs on cures only for their own families. And if you are deep and sensitive you will be swallowed by their offspring.
And if you look for help, you won't find it, your brothers and sisters are all watching their carefully planted reality tv shows.. learning how to predate.
@GrudgyDiablo I think the point he was trying to make is civilizations tendancies to push its will on "savages" and make them live as society sees fit, it wasnt wasnt "herp derp, this is the way to go" as you seem to have interpreted it. Basically if these people are happy living like this let them be.
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get a staff infection and when some medecine man is blowing smoke in your face i'll be enjoying some western medicine brought to you by evil europeans
@plumbtastic76 and yet they seem to live fine and have clear skin. a lot of the sicknesses you discuss is because of western foods and how fast disease can spread in cities, especially ones where tourists come in and out often. this 108yo man is walking. the rest have clearer skin than most americans.
Reading some of these comments, you would think that the west is some sort of utopian society. The west is run by organised crime syndicates. The royal families are descendants of warlords, the west attained it's position by butchering natives all over the planet, stealing their wealth and making them slaves. We live in societies where 6 year olds are being sold thongs and ' pornstar ' t-shirts, senior citizens being killed for £20, the west is so wonderful, look at our surfaces.
@goatman257 Walk into a jungle in Africa and you will see them wearing cotton clothing, 300 years ago these clothes were so expensive that only royalty and statesmen could afford them, poor people had to wear horrible felt or woollen clothes that they could only wash once a year, in the meantime their clothes were infested with parasites. The west hasn't been all good, but we have put quality, easily washable clothes on the backs of the poorest peoples on the planet.
@GrudgyDiablo there's a difference between the unthinking forces of nature wiping out a culture and a group of people knowingly and purposefully wiping out a culture. and as far as evolve or fade away, what about sharks or cockroaches? i say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. their culture works. they are healthy and live long happy lives. why should they change?
When i watch this video, i feel sorry for these guys. Although there is something pure about the thought of tribes untouched by the taint of modern society, these people live in ignorance and without any goals but to survive.
SinaSing 2 months ago
@SinaSing Don't feel sorry for them. They don't live in ignorance, they live with great wisdom, and survival is not hard. Their land is very plentiful. Yes, we have advantages in healthcare, i'll give you that. Education? Well...we have our own ignorance in the way we live. You acknowledge it yourself with the word pure... we are unpure, and we know it
multiyadayadayada 2 months ago
Hey proteanview, I'm looking for one of your old videos. Its the one where you're talking about conversations that you have or have overheard with your friends when they describe what they want in a woman or a sexual partner and they describe body parts like objects. You made a comparison between it and how when people go to the groceries they are looking for certain things.
Thanks for your help!
Decentralism 7 months ago
@Decentralism Oh, hello. I must have removed that video a while ago, unfortunately. Something about itemizing body parts.
proteanview 7 months ago
@proteanview Can you reupload it or send it to me somehow? or even a transcript ? please.
Decentralism 7 months ago
@Decentralism Sorry, I no longer have the video about itemizing body parts.
proteanview 2 months ago
@proteanview phooey!
Decentralism 3 weeks ago
I moved to Portugal years ago, visited the more remote mountain areas, without national roads and electricity. I found "simple" people, unpolluted by our civilization(despite of catholicism), poor but giving. specially the elders impressed me much - apart from a hard life, that had bend their bodies, their eyes looked young and innocent, in encounters they were always funny and in a good mood. When I think of them, then like of a reservation of human beings - makes me sad to see what WE became.
Umbalafum 7 months ago
@Umbalafum
We, unlike them, were raised in a psychopathic system. Get it straight, it's THEIR system not ours.
orasis 5 months ago in playlist Liked
Survivor season 9 was filmed here. Every country they go to gets lots of money from CBS and must be economically friendly with the US (hence 16 seasons until they did China). So, don't know how much I'm buying this "free of government dependence" stuff. That said, I admit there are definite advantages to their way of life. Unfortunately, it's missing the key component in my life: information. I want to know as much as I possibly can, and this way of life supports indefinite segregation.
andid 9 months ago
@andid If you say you'd be happier living in a forest, wholly independent, by all means. The forest waits. But most people I know like AC, Heating, Refrigeration, the ability to travel and communicate over long distances, etc...too much. Its the convenience we depend on and take for granted. I'm not saying either way of life is the be-all: one is clearly experimental, one practically unchanging. Depending on what happens in the future, either strategy could win out.
andid 9 months ago
You know I was thinking during the great depressions the only creature that starves to death is 'civilized' (domesticated) man. The animals keep on going, and the 'savages' (not dumb enough to use money, yet.) do as well.
The stock market crashes/hyperinflation etc etc and nothing changes at all for these people. They still eat and live.
orasis 9 months ago 4
@orasis Hey.....I said that too lol.
HybridD91 8 months ago
Nice video thanks for posting it.
TheAmazingamerica 9 months ago
Deep
Phonologie 10 months ago
People say all races are "equal" yet look at these apes and compare their civilization to that of the Romans and the Greeks and tell me again that we are "equal".
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 every continent had civilization "hot spots"
rome and greece were europe's, while the rest of the european's were warring nomadic tribesman during that time
africa had the egypt, nubian, somalia etc
asia had china, india, etc
america had mexico, anasazi, tawantinsuyu
middle east had mesopotania, persia, babylon
all breeds of human are the same, just various independent variables
location, spread of crops, weather, resources, disease, animal availability, etc
LobsterPotsticker 10 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker The original Eygptians were not nubians do you realise that? Google for pictures of Ramses the 2nd and you will see that he had straight blond hair. The Aztecs inherited their civilization from the white "Solutreans" who were the first humans to arrive in America. Anywhere you see a pyramid there has been an aryan. Lobsterpotsticker you are following the ideology of the eternal Jew Zionist Franz Boas. Read the work of his biggest rival and real aryan man Madison Grant.
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 ramses was 1 king lol. & it's known egypt was taken over & ruled by somolian kings for a time /ramses hair wasn't blond it was red
U should brush up on mesoamerican history too.. "aztecs" or mexicas arrived to the valley fairly recently in comparison to others there zapotecs, mixtec, puercherpa, ishkatec, etc & all built pyramids too
saying only aryans built them = nonsensical!
pyramids were all over the world in china, guatemala, etc before "aryan tribesman" were even a group
LobsterPotsticker 10 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker You also don't know about the Tocharians then, because they were blond haired blue eyed people who went through North India and settled in China. I agree that there were mulatto and nubian rulers eventually but they coincided with the decline and downfall of ancient Eygpt. Read about the Solutreans, they were from Spain and France. They crossed on the ice melting it for water and hunting for food. They interbred with the siberian indians that came over after them.
lostwisdom100 10 months ago
@lostwisdom100 Yeah, Romans and Greeks, obsessed with war and violence and these people can care less about any thing you just said. Insecure?
HybridD91 9 months ago
@lostwisdom100
You're forgetting that the Romans went after the 'apes' in Germany, Britain and France (Gauls, Visigoths) who lived in similar fashion.
Rome destroyed them, forced them to use money (which is the key to control over others obviously.) and then said 'you are now civilized' - now go work you peasant idiots.
orasis 9 months ago
...amazing
shaNiiC3e 10 months ago
did that 100 y.o. man have aboner in the beginning? if so he's my hero.
casperado666 10 months ago
and not one of them has an ipod... jk :D
HillDueceua 1 year ago
I live in England there was a documentary about this on tanna in Vanuatu. The guy who spke very fast in this doc, could well be one if the ones in the docu.
Anyway they came here to see what it's like and tell the locals how they live. They didn't much like western worlds and I'm glad for them, we are HEAVILY dependent on gov.
TheAnonyy 1 year ago
The only constant in the universe is change. None of us can escape it.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
One of the reasons these people have a good life, is that nature kills off many of their people allowing there to be a balance between resources and population. In the western world we send rice and medicine so that tribal people can live to fuck some more and have even more children who will of course starve. (so we can "help" them too)
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams That's a sick analysis but has some merit. Population increase is really the main driver of a lot of our problems.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs It truely is and yet the govts are all running around like chickens with their heads cut off concerned with symptoms rather than the cure.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreamsl so you're saying they have a good life because they don't need to use contraception?
and what's this about help?... these people don't seem in need of help, i don't think these are sent any help. africa is really big you know; it's a continent not a country.
lygophile 1 year ago
@lygophile Vanatu is not in africa. Perhaps you should understand the topic a bit better before you make a post.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
@SmokeRingsPipeDreams. same difference, dude. i didn't check that part, sure. and i haven't heard of Vanatu before. doesn't change my argument at all. and there are more people like this.
lygophile 1 year ago
I've often thought about our freedoms in comparison to true freedom of this kind. Of course they also have lots of premature death, disease etc. A nice balance would be nice between the two.
SmokeRingsPipeDreams 1 year ago
Wow, they may not have a western society with all the technological marvels but they also don't have any of the problems that come with it. Yes we can teach them about technology but they can teach us about life.
markinrs 1 year ago
They might not depend on money and government, but they're not any freer for it. They depend on the whims of nature and the local food supply. If they have a bad harvest, people starve. If their animals get sick, people starve. If they get sick, they die. Diseases that we can easily cure are crippling.
In short, quit comparing the worst of modern civilization to the best of ancient civilization. It's a stacked comparison.
PeanutButterGoodness 1 year ago 16
@PeanutButterGoodness When the stock market collapse, we starve.
HybridD91 9 months ago
@PeanutButterGoodness - and when the best modern civilization has a banking crisis and everyone must pay the price? When poor starve and have no health care while the rich never suffer. When we are suffering from rising mental illness and stress and lifestyle related illness. Look I'm not saying such ancient societies are better. Certainly not. On the contrary - I don't think there is a better or worse - a good or evil - just things that are.
discussislam 7 months ago
LUL these niggers live like this cuz they have everything they need to survive, what if therez an ice age or a blight or a drought? Oh snap!
TheFenrisWolf84 1 year ago
@TheFenrisWolf84
almost 27 years old and still a retard. Your momma and papa must be proud bubba.
merrilhowardkalin 1 year ago
Why doesnt proteanview get off the internet and go live with the tribals if he loves it so much?
TheFenrisWolf84 1 year ago
lol look at those ignorant niggers trying to pretend that living in a jungle with no technology is civilization. Get a PC you tribal trash!
TheFenrisWolf84 1 year ago
@TheFenrisWolf84
i pity you
daniellos333 1 year ago
i know who it was that walked with him in that dream. do you?
it was not his friend. it was not his ally.
it was the future.
knowthingman 1 year ago
Actually, proteanview, they do depend on "government" (sorry, conservatives). "Government" is just another word for the values of the community trumping the desires of the few. It is only in our society that everybody is on their own, and that amoral hoarding of wealth is seen as some kind of virtue.
mattbenzing 1 year ago
@mattbenzing NOOOOOOO They has no govnment cuz they aints got no archons iz all boutz the archonz, leik the leaders who are acrheons but not callzed the archons, SHUT UP UR STOPID!
TheFenrisWolf84 1 year ago
"Obviously, they have a decent life span & healthy life w/o modern medicine because they eat natural/unprocessed foods, they get exercise & they don't breathe polluted air. "
Keep dreaming, hippy.
HConstantine 1 year ago
Look at the trees huh, they are as old as these people... woow
Waranle 1 year ago
Such a great video! This made my day. Wouldn't we all want some one like that as our leader? Maybe not as old, but half as wise. Any way another reason why I subscribed to this channel.
Cuanaxhuato 1 year ago
He claim ownership of the people around him, and want to dictate they're way of life(what he calls our lifestyle).
Why do people seem to automaticly agree with conservative tribals?
I wonder if people would have felt the same if they had been around to witness the very high infant mortality caused by lack of medicine and hygiene.
Redb33rd 1 year ago
when confronted with the simple honesty and noble connection with nature that these lifestyles display, the first thing people do is start pointing fingers at races or political ideologies for taking this away, maybe monotheism is to blame, maybe the white man, maybe capitalism, who knows, but returning to this life is something we can all aspire to
ThomasRowsell 1 year ago
Really good vid!
DisInfoWars 1 year ago
Within both worlds they contain people doing the same thing, that being surviving. They show us that money is not needed. We show them technological advancement. Within both worlds they contain people that can be doing more than just surviving, they can be truly LIVING, experiencing a multitude of life's possibilities. Truth.
ministerabdallah 1 year ago 7
@ministerabdallah Love it!
proteanview 9 months ago
Yeah, western ways of life certainly have their downsides, but it's clear that western ways of life also have benefits that living like a nomadic, African tribesperson doesn't.
Gunderson002 1 year ago
Well I don't see any real benefit to their lives as it is. The guy with his penis wrapped in thatch lived a wasted life. The Westerner benefits from a long chain of innovation, multiplying the worth of his work. They will kill for our radios and the medicine that actually works.
They also didn't show you the "building fucking' ritual where men take a long rod and run it back and forth on a door to show their male domination of women. In fact they didn't show any women speaking at all.
Dracopol 1 year ago
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@Dracopol So is debtor prison.
DarkMonkArt 1 year ago
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DarkMonkArt 1 year ago
Modernizing is just a natural progression. They'd get there eventually anyways. It would just be nice to "modernize" into something peaceful and beneficial to everyone other than greed filled every man for hisself bs. There is SO many other routes this world could have went into but I guess greed comes out on top every time.
poopyscoopy5 1 year ago
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DarkMonkArt 1 year ago
@DarkMonkArt
I don't totally understand how that relates to what I said, but I would like to.
poopyscoopy5 1 year ago
@poopyscoopy5 Sorry I must have be coming off a rant with an other tuber.
I agree with you.
Your spot on
DarkMonkArt 1 year ago
@poopyscoopy5 wrong comment Sorry your spot on
DarkMonkArt 1 year ago
@poopyscoopy5 yes yes greed and envy is the part of the human gins :)
Waranle 1 year ago
blessing...amazing video
svarhanatharamais 1 year ago
Amazing video, thank-you for sharing. What a great man, wanting to protect his people and their culture, I'm sure the people of his tribe will be sad to see him go. I wish him happiness in life and peace in death.
Epionea 1 year ago
Hail Israel
WKaliberr 1 year ago
The devil in the Holy Koran and the Bible...
Chapter 15: Al-Hijr
15:39 …I shall certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I shall cause them all to deviate
Revelation 12:9
the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world—
What make you think they will be left alone?
Baffykoma 1 year ago
@Baffykoma Yeah, good thing the Muslims didn't get to Vanuatu or it would be a desert by now, walked over by generations of people who don't innovate, don't progress, just tend their goats as they've always tended goats.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol
State of consciousness...
Baffykoma 1 year ago
@Dracopol excuse me algebra and heart surgery along with the basis for the rennaisance came from muslim countries.
just before the crusades
islam is just a symptom of a bad situation
make it better and religion disapears, undermined
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Actually Algebra was a Hindu invention, the Arabs just claimed to transmit it. I know the Aztecs did rather SLOPPY irreversible fatal heart-surgery, but what shit are you telling me that there was successful heart surgery in the Muslim countries??
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol check 'Ibn al-Nafis' on wiki
father of circulatory physiology
1242 AD
along with a chunk of the renaissance
algebra is an ARABIC WORD - 'al-jabr'- "restoration".
it's roots go back to babylon, through indian maths, and was further distinguished as a subject in it's own right in a MUSLIM COUNTRY. My point is muslims accepted it. So Islam + civilization can co exist. As civilisation improves, islam is phased out. Like Christianity in rich countries.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Let's talk about today, faggot. Muslims account for (by somewhat inflated figures and coercive government systems) 20% of the world's population. Yet only 1% of all scientific papers are written by Muslims...
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol hey thanks for the faggot comment! ; D
although, er, homosexuality isn't really the issue here?? You've got it on the brain, you need to get your self a boyfriend!
now lets see...well, we stand on the shoulders of the past, so we can't ignore it. Anyhow, muslims are in a sorry state now because of western intervention, i'm talking saudi oil, saddam hussein(iraq), iran, pakistan.
the crusades fucked up turkey.
This allows islam to flourish, where it would've faded away with education
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Oh, yeah, RIGHT, Muslims are bad at science NOW because of Western oppression a thousand years ago. Too right. Muslims are bad at science because they think they have a book with all the answers, so there is no need to actually INVESTIGATE answers.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol not just a thousand years, withn the last hundred.
saddam was a cia hitman.
iran was a progressive democracy, until western intervention.
saudi ruling classes (bin ladens family) have always been in cahoots with western leaders(bush family).
i'll make it clear now:I KNOW RELIGION IS ANTI INTELLECTUAL. ok?
my point, which you keep deliberately missing, is that you deal with it by educating the people.
talkin bout investigation why don't you investigate MY answer?
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Why don't you answer where on Earth there was successful Middle Age Islamic heart-surgery? I'm still wondering about that statement of yours.
We mustn't aggrandize loser, also-ran cultures. Only the Scientific Revolution and the Age of Enlightenment, in Europe, counts for something.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol well, did you check 'Ibn al-Nafis' on wiki? It's a click away.
Then you wouldn't be wondering. But you weren't really wondering were you?
Cause and effect goes like this--His vast library of geneal knowledge -->renaissance-->age of enlightenment. Get it?
I'm saying this for the folks who might be reading this and be provoked into checking it out. But you obviously couldn't give a fuck.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Muslims didn't start the Enlightenment! Muslims live in a slave-mentality. That's what Islam means, "slavery". Europeans lived through a struggle of religions and that caused a Free Inquiry mentality. That is why today Muslims only contribute 1% of all scientific papers to the journals. The only bright spots in the Muslim past was when people like Persians newly conquered by the Arab rabble were new to Islam. When they got it right, Free Inquiry stopped.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol islam means "submission" literally, to God, NOT "slavery". You've made no intellectual investigation into what I've said, even though it disagrees with what you've said. This demonstrates to me that you are not interested in enlightenment. You therefore do not belong among those who are enlightened. You are not an intellectual, but a politician, seeking only to rationalise the evidence in your favour.
once again YES culture/religion is bad, but intellectuals reside in all cultures.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime He who submits is a slave! We don't have to listen to boosters for Islam any more than we have to listen to boosters for the Church of Scientology! There is NO enlightenment to be found from Islam, only primitivism and backwardness. In NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, Oct. 2003, "Saudi Arabia", it was revealed the entire Middle East translates only 300 foreign books into Arabic each year! (Spain translates 16,500 a year into Spanish!) They do NOT love new learning!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol there's a difference between a 'muslim country' and a theocracy. Muslim countries have become theocracies. christian countries used to be that way until the population got comfortable enough, i'm talking the middle ages, witch burning, pogroms, etc.
As for submission, one must submit in order to enjoy stuff like music, or art. We can be 'slaves' to our instincts. Submission is not ALWAYS negative. Meditation can be submission.
Now, you've READ my opinions on religion....
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Except that CSI, the Committee for Scientific Investigation, showed that meditation didn't do anything better than talking to yourself!
Even in the worst of the Christian Middle Ages, nobody cut off hands, and nobody had sex with 9-year-old girls. It would have been considered UnChristian.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol regarding meditation, you have no idea what you're talking about. 1)talking to yourself is a type of meditaton, as long as it is rigourous and honest, that's what 'meditating on the problem' means. 2)that wasn't the type of meditation i was talking about. I mean emptying your head of thoughts, finding peace within. 3)you can leave meditation thing to one side ANYWAY because you still have to submit to enjoy music.
cutting off hands >burning people alive??
The clergy, paedos HELLO?
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime I think you are using selective accounting. In the total accounting, Islam is much, much worse than Christianity. Christianity doesn't seek to KILL you when you leave. Islam does. That's the official penalty for leaving Islam: death.
I'm no defender of any religion, though; you'll always find SOME problem, like the Christians dying from cyanide Kool-Aid in their guts in Jonestown, Guyana. And meditation flat-out doesn't work, says the CSI (had members like, oh, Carl Sagan).
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol Islam NOW is perhaps worse than xtianity. Islam THEN was more civilised than xtianity.
1000 years ago was xtianity's Dark Ages, the worst time of barbarism anywhere on the planet ever. It was pure HORROR.
And it was all justified by xtianity. Infanticide, genocide, holocausts.
Someone like Ibn-al Nafis could never have ammassed his vast library of knowledge, alot of which was extremely modern, vast leaps from what was before, i.e. Galen, Avicenna.
Xtianitys nice NOW bcos of comfort.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Nope! Glorified agitprop history. The great university of Baghdad was NOT interested in furthering the boundaries of human knowledge. It was founded (15 years AFTER the universities of Charlemagne, by the way!) so the Caliph could collect large amounts of information on administration and how to rule people with an iron fist: weapons of control, administrative procedures, divide-and-conquer politics. It was, in short, a war college. To enslave MORE people under Islam!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol look up Islamic Golden Age. It just about covers everything.
looked up Charlemagne- a big entry, one small paragraph on education, referring to "carolingian rennaisance". (Btw he couldn't write.)
checked it:
8-9th century. quote: "Sir K. Clark thought that through the Carolingian Renaissance, Western civilization survived by the skin of its teeth. The use of the word "renaissance"... is contested... Instead of being a rebirth of new culture... it wanted to recreate roman culture"
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Talk about an Islamic golden age is puffery. Their technological advances were borrowed from the scholars of the cultures they invaded. Desert goat-herders from Arabia themselves did not create new knowledge; all they could do was make war! And it was all in the service of enslaving humanity. It's as if you were to glorify the technological advancements of the Nazis, such as jet-planes, to the point where you believe the whole world should have become Nazi!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol Not really accurate. Just of the cuff I can think of the "123456789" <- Arabic numbers. That was not 'invaded' for.
It was a golden age for various reasons until it fell apart... A common theme in history. For example these peoples neighbours on Papa new Guinea independently invented farming pretty early on in world history but this did not beget a chain of events to 'jet-planes' and telephones.
Histories a mixed bag with no savages or genius' or manifest destinies.
Thus
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs No, they are the HINDU-Arabic numbers. The Hindus invented them, the Arabs only transmitted them. I don't think civilization is a matter of random happenstance. All real, worthwhile civilization can only be traced to the Age of Enlightenment, in Europe. The weakening of religion, 350 years ago after the obscenity of the Galileo trial must have something to do with it. So it's silly to say Islam inspired knowledge. Islam invaded already knowledgeable people like the Persians.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol "good thing the Muslims didn't get to Vanuatu or it would be a desert by now, walked over by generations of people who don't innovate, don't progress, just tend their goats as they've always tended goats." Given you mention goat herding and a desert, I took that to mean Arabs, rather than Muslim.
I don't believe irrational belief itself innovates. Further I was pointing to the modern form of the numbers are defiantly Arabic, rather than the orgins of the place system.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@Dracopol I don't think Civilization is random happenstance. I don't think anyone thinks that. It's a common fallacy to think the opposite to design by a 'big man' is 'random happenstance'.
Civilisation clearly is a consequence of being sedentary. The more time a society has been sedentary the more chance of innovations. The time from the year of sedentary living to jet aeroplanes is essentially the 'random happenstance' of climate/resources/neighbouring communities etc.....
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@Dracopol Sir Kenneth Clark thought that through the Carolingian Renaissance, Western civilization survived by the skin of its teeth. The use of "renaissance" to describe this period is contested due to the majority of changes brought about, being confined almost entirely to the clergy, and due to it lacking the wide-ranging social movements of the later Italian Renaissance. Instead of being a rebirth of new cultural movements, the period was an attempt to recreate the culture of Roman Empire.
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Islam was not creating anything new either, just the same old theocratic slavery. It was NOT an advancement and it certainly is not now. 20% of the world is enslaved by Islam, but only 1% of all scientific journal articles are by Muslim scientists. National Geographic of Oct. 2003 said that the Middle East only translates 300 foreign books into Arabic per year. By comparison, a modern country like Spain translates 16,500 books into Spanish each year.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol take your shitty statistics and shove them up your arse with a spade
you're arguing a point i never raised, and are not adressing the point i DID make.
millionth time: I KNOW middle east is theocratic now, and that's a bad thing. Now what? You twat.
Also: I never said islam kick started anything. I said...knowledge from an islamic country kick started the rennaisance when it was taken by the crusades.
Religion is ALWAYS anti intellectual
I KNOW that
I keep TELLING you that
youtwat
natmanprime 1 year ago
@Dracopol the two are not comparable. at all.
alot of arabic knowledge under the caliphate was taken to rome by the crusades , the holy roman empire, to kick start the renaissance.
btw what is a 'witch' if not an apostate? The bibble sez kill the witch.
ALL civilisations are founded upon empires. You think the crusades were a polite affair you psycho LOL
natmanprime 1 year ago
@natmanprime Wrong. Muslim conquerors were interested in consolidating knowledge, particularly administrative knowledge, to rule their Empire with an iron fist. They had to import scholars from Persia, from China, and even from those awful White Europeans. Islam can not be said to have "kick-started" anything. The Renaissance was an initiative only where religion was WEAKENED, during Catholic-Protestant wars.
And I'm not talking just witches, ANYBODY who leaves Islam MUST be killed by them!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol
you sound like a zionist supremacist, quit pointing the finger at islam and puking up sam harris' garbage shlomof.
Cefuroxx 8 months ago
Go ahead nobody is stoping you, why don't you move with them, Proteanview.
lavieinrose1 1 year ago
@lavieinrose1 Proteanview cannot move with them until those who are responsible of polluting nature, creating Wars and diseases are dealt with.
By your comment, I can tell you are NOT an aboriginal/indigenous. Who r U ? This planet would have been a paradise if a certain People were NOT crafted from the aboriginals.So Dear Lavieinrose, honor your father and your Mother.
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Baffykoma 1 year ago
Not only liberals depend on the government.. Tell Bush and his people and the rest of the Republicans if they want to live like that.
lavieinrose1 1 year ago
What a great video for us westerners to see, thank you for sharing it. :-)
fourtrees44 1 year ago
Well, they do have a government, the Chief. But it is minimally intrusive. Sometimes I wish there was more of this, so civilized people could have the choice of dropping out and living a simpler sustainable life.
tenagliac 1 year ago
@tenagliac Seems to me he's more of an advisor than necessarily a decision-maker, though granted his people are likely to take his advice. But even if he has a greater degree of power than the others, he doesn't use it for personal gain.
jjmblue7 1 year ago
Time the old codger popped off, so the young people of the tribe can discover the Western world.
jonathanaconway 1 year ago
I agree with you, it's not all good but I'm not claiming the west to be all bad either, much good has come from the west. My point was directed at those individuals who view the clip with a black and white mindset, thinking ' we are much more advanced than them ' without acknowledging the ills of the west. I think we can learn some lessons from these tribes about the important things in life. Many people in the west live unhappily despite all our ' progress '.
goatman257 1 year ago
AVATAR! in real life.
DiScUrNmEnT 1 year ago
This is the way to live, not the self important western life which institutionalizes slavery. This simple life is the way, but most of us are too fucked up and jaded by our poisoned conditioning in the ultra fancy civilizations that are not even close to being civil whatsoever, because the invented needs we have always leads to war.
wonderwhaz797 1 year ago
One of my Anthropology porofessors studied in Vanuatu. I do not know if she "studied" this particular group, but there is a searing envy amongs westerners particularly those of European descent, of pre-Adamic cultures. This envy usually gets expressed as a desire to uplift, civilise and teach those old cultures "how" to live on this planet.
PClaytonHuggins 1 year ago 8
Native tribes are so beautiful, they have such beautiful cultures and lives. When I was a kid it was my biggest dream to leave civilisation and go and live with a stone-age tribe in the jungle somewhere. I still regret that I didn't try to act on that dream. : )
winterstellar 1 year ago
Man, if you really think life really was better in the pre-industrial age, perhaps you should crack open a history book and read about improvements world-wide in terms of life-expectancy and human achievement over the last 200-300 years. And I love the disdain with which you regard modern medicine - eating fresh food does not stop cholera. I'd rather breathe polluted city air and eat evhil processed food, than remain so hopelessly ignorant about the world beyond the confines of a small valley.
TheAnatotitan 1 year ago
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goatman257 1 year ago
@goatman257 Good point dude. A lot of Westerners do tend to see it as all or none, black or white. Can't stop for a minute to consider that we could learn from others cuz we think we're number 1. So ignorant
igotsissues 1 year ago
And still they are slaves to their own freedom :) .
NoMemory 1 year ago
Yeah,. Lets all live in the Jungle, Bare arsed, No sanitation, No refrigeration, No Medicine, No lIght, No heat, No communications, Loverley.
I mean, Who needs all this civilisation Bolloks anyway?
fx02zbn 1 year ago
@LittlPussi Hey LittlPussi, is it tight too?
igotsissues 1 year ago
@spaceinvader79 yes many will resent these people because it's all they know and they think shunning western ways is a statement against themselves.
khemeticone 1 year ago
I love videos like this that take you to another place and almost another time.
HomeGymFitness 1 year ago 14
I envy civilizations that can still survive in such a way, without modern technology. Believe it or not, there are many in THIS country choosing to walk away from the clutter and go back to simple living.
yubbayubba 1 year ago 6
it isn't a utopia, and he is a conservative...wants things to remain the same, unchanging, fears his loss of influence (they no longer listen to his advice) there are no utopias for the simple reason that most humans, no matter their origin, ethnic background, ethos,etc. will do what is most beneficial to themselves. the chief is no saint and no exception.
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
@DeadSpaceX whenever someone shows benefits of other lifestyles, someone always assumes that they are trying to convey utopia. they just can handle compliments of another.
conservatives believe in a free market & cater 2 business. there is no market there. tribal cultures are ollective & communal (& not by force) which is why there are no orphans & even nomads roam together. most westerners do what's best for self & they arrogantly (ignorantly) assume their way of life is human nature.
khemeticone 1 year ago
@khemeticone depends on your definition of conservative, to me it means someone who wants to maintain the status quo. never said they're weren't benefits to their lifestyle, it's no better and no worse than other societies...just different. attempting to be nice...but you seem to have an illusion that nomadic, or what would be considered primal cultures are some sort of ideal...
They can be as brutal, if not more so than western/eastern counterparts...
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
@DeadSpaceX seems like pro meant politically conservative as he used liberal too. conservatism has nothing to do with change.
the only thing i say about nomads is that they are communal and collective. again, i never said it was ideal... just communal to prove your assumption wrong about all humans being selfish. again, you assumed i was trying to say it was utopian or ideal as folks do when someone points out good of another lifestyle.
khemeticone 1 year ago
@khemeticone not all nomads are communal, mayhap they are...and where exactly did i say all humans? i don't make generalizations like that...and never said their lifestyle was wrong...chip on your shoulder much? you really shouldn't try to infer or assume, i said exactly what i mean.
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
@DeadSpaceX part 2: no one ever said they were more or less brutal. again, you just make things up to find wrong instead of acknowledging that they have some things good. it's like you take personal offence. however, only their western and eastern counterparts have dropped bombs and committed genocide.
khemeticone 1 year ago
@khemeticone i didn't make anything up...show me where before you start dancing on your grandstand defending the rights of primal cultures everywhere...i took no offense, as i said in the previous reply...you shouldn't try to assume anything. you're starting to come across as one of those that just automatically assume because someone is from a western culture they are ignorant, prejudice, and biased towards primal cultures or other types of societies, fyi, prejudgement is dangerous, and stupid.
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
"They rely on nature..." Nature can be brutal and unforgiving; so much so that mankind has historically taken measures to protect against nature. These measures are called technology.
hallavast 1 year ago
@hallavast yes nature can be brutal and unforgiving but instead of running away from it and polluting it, they learned to live with it. apparently those measures are not needed. they live around nature. you live around controlled money and debt and pollution and traffic and recessions and pesticide
khemeticone 1 year ago
@khemeticone Again, I agree that they have a "good" life, and it is good that fortune has allowed them that. But you can't point to them and say that the rest of the world can live like that. We can't. Their social structure doesn't hold up in large populations, and most of the world is not as hospitable as where they live. Good for them, but the rest of us can not join them. Not without most of us dying first.
hallavast 1 year ago
There is beauty in living with nature. Great video.
I liked your part about "slaves to technology". This is how we live today, we are slaves because our current political paradigm is based off of antiquated ideas(price system). It doesn't work for or with Natures natural processes.
So, what is your belief Protean? Do you believe in this stuff or just giving differing viewpoints?
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@newb2yutube As Carl Sagan said, "We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."
I see nothing wrong with a price system. However I do object to the prohibition of competing currencies, which is a MAJOR problem in many of today's industrialized countries. You have to remember that we're not actually seeing capitalism in America, but fascism.
andrewh817 1 year ago
@andrewh817 Funny quote yet you defend the price system? The price system has been proven by science(that is with measurable and proven data) that it is incapable of sustaining a high energy technological society. I can send you the necessary information that shows this. Biophysical economics is coming out and saying this as of about six or so months ago. They are considered a "hard science" of economics.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@newb2yutube could you send me this information
unholyascension 1 year ago
By the way, the price system doesn't have to sustain a "high energy technological society" for me to want to use it. Depending on how you look at it, you could call our society a high energy technological society that is unsustainable.
But it's not unsustainable due to some flaw of the price system. It's unsustainable because the Fed Reserve can print money without being accountable to those who use it. That's counterfeiting.
Please send me the data you mentioned.
andrewh817 1 year ago
@andrewh817 So you want to go back to 18th century Adam Smith Agrarian society? So we can use slaves instead of machinery. That seems GREAT!(sarcasm) Machines are the new "slaves", without it we are going backwards as a society. The price system is an antique system of control. It sufficed well in a low tech society, it won't today. That is a fact.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@newb2yutube Skip Seivert is a ghost.
DCStream 1 year ago
@DCStream who?
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@newb2yutube TbonePickens. I'm just like you.
DCStream 1 year ago
@DCStream Your an advocate for TNAT? Good to hear.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@andrewh817 So, I'd step back and consider what I'm talking before saying things I don't have a clear understanding of...If I were you. I agree with the "type" of price systems we are seeing are more alarming than others. They still won't last, because in order to function, they need growth. This entails growth in energy conversion for the operation of society. Peak Oil is a major issue, once we past the peak oil plateau, say bye bye to the price system.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
@newb2yutube You accuse me of being uninformed (without specifying what I'm uninformed about), yet you seem to not realize the real issue with our economy which is "fiat currency."
Look, I'm all for spending time in nature, learning useful things for survival, and getting in shape while doing it, but that doesn't mean I have to reject money as a concept. You keep asserting that price systems need growth to function, yet you've never explained yourself in depth.
andrewh817 1 year ago
@andrewh817 I told you I can send you the necessary information that proves this. You want me to explain it in comments? No, that I cannot do. I will send you the information through a personal message though.
Are you aware of the function of money or commodity valuation? You obviously don't. Even though fiat currency is an issue, anything else, like a "gold standard" is proven not to work.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
Reminds me of the 'Civilization' song on Fallout 3.
naughtypagan72 1 year ago
You cannot compare a neolithic tribe on a tropical Island with our urban civilisation. These are two different organisms...
leostomicek 1 year ago
@leostomicek this is true. What would happen if this tribe was composed of more than 1000 people? What would happen if there were some other tribe that wanted their resources or even to enslave them? I admire these people, but we must realize that they are fortunate to be able to live these lives. It isn't simply a choice that anyone has the power to make.
hallavast 1 year ago
@leostomicek First of all, they are not two different organisms. They are both lifestyles... different lifestyles because we compare things with differences. They are two different lifestyles. Secondly, you can compare two different organisms particularly if there is a constant - people. This is a comparison of how people live.
igotsissues 1 year ago
They couldn't recruit very many people to their lifestyle if they wanted to. Only small groups of people could live like this, and only in a few regions of the Earth. Few biomes are able to support a primitive way of life and allow high lifespan. I wish our society had been set up differently as well--but what's done is done. All we can hope to do is work to improve our world little by little until, millenia down the line, we'll have a near-perfect world. Technological advancement ftw.
vortical911 1 year ago 2
@vortical911 One hundred years from now, This age in humanity will live on in infamy. Where we exploded on growth, with the help of technology and available energy and destroyed our civilization because we couldn't handle adapting to live along with nature. Population is too high, so there will be a major die off and resource wars soon in the future. It is sad, people can't see the hand writing on the wall. All we can do is hope and try to improve our world. BTW look into TNAT.
newb2yutube 1 year ago
I'll take my playstaton + antibiotics, k thanks.
GnomesAmok 1 year ago 2
Who could possibly be the morons that gave this beautiful story, 8 negative stars?
yingdiskette 1 year ago 4
**learning how to become predators themselves.
AetherWisp 1 year ago
The corporate monsters will never let anything thrive alone. The must OWN, RULE, ENSLAVE.
If you are smart you will work in their offices in a cubicle making them rich. If you are brilliant you will work in their labs on cures only for their own families. And if you are deep and sensitive you will be swallowed by their offspring.
And if you look for help, you won't find it, your brothers and sisters are all watching their carefully planted reality tv shows.. learning how to predate.
AetherWisp 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo I think the point he was trying to make is civilizations tendancies to push its will on "savages" and make them live as society sees fit, it wasnt wasnt "herp derp, this is the way to go" as you seem to have interpreted it. Basically if these people are happy living like this let them be.
jwhyte67 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
get a staff infection and when some medecine man is blowing smoke in your face i'll be enjoying some western medicine brought to you by evil europeans
plumbtastic76 1 year ago
@plumbtastic76 and yet they seem to live fine and have clear skin. a lot of the sicknesses you discuss is because of western foods and how fast disease can spread in cities, especially ones where tourists come in and out often. this 108yo man is walking. the rest have clearer skin than most americans.
khemeticone 1 year ago
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goatman257 1 year ago
Reading some of these comments, you would think that the west is some sort of utopian society. The west is run by organised crime syndicates. The royal families are descendants of warlords, the west attained it's position by butchering natives all over the planet, stealing their wealth and making them slaves. We live in societies where 6 year olds are being sold thongs and ' pornstar ' t-shirts, senior citizens being killed for £20, the west is so wonderful, look at our surfaces.
goatman257 1 year ago
@goatman257 Walk into a jungle in Africa and you will see them wearing cotton clothing, 300 years ago these clothes were so expensive that only royalty and statesmen could afford them, poor people had to wear horrible felt or woollen clothes that they could only wash once a year, in the meantime their clothes were infested with parasites. The west hasn't been all good, but we have put quality, easily washable clothes on the backs of the poorest peoples on the planet.
Skep155 1 year ago
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goatman257 1 year ago
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goatman257 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo there's a difference between the unthinking forces of nature wiping out a culture and a group of people knowingly and purposefully wiping out a culture. and as far as evolve or fade away, what about sharks or cockroaches? i say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. their culture works. they are healthy and live long happy lives. why should they change?
einLesenderArbeiter 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo You say youre liberal, and therefor open minded. But judging by your comments you seem more narrow minded than any conservative.
JonaBay 1 year ago