Twin Frozr II & DirectCUII Cooler Comparison GeForce GTX 560 Ti Linus Tech Tips

[jutenheim223]

what's the difference between the MSi twin forzr vs the MSi hawk?

[envyus83]

@jutenheim223 It's the same thing. The hawk is pretty much a modified Twin Fozr. It's quieter and cooler.

[jutenheim223]

@envyus83 I thought it's more powerful. So what should I get? the 2GB twin frozr or the 1GB hawk? they are priced equally.

[envyus83]

@jutenheim223 The 2GB will benefit you more.

[jutenheim223]

@envyus83 For what I know the higher memory is for higher resolution or using multi monintors right

[envyus83]

@jutenheim223 Yes.

[jutenheim223]

@envyus83 Well I am not planning on using multi-monitor setup anytime soon, and maybe the OC'd hawk plus its higher vrm might benefit me more.

[dev1597]

msi gtx560ti hawk vs asus gtx 560 ti directcu ii who is best?

[nTELHD]

@dev1597 Both are verry good but the hawk beats it

[trankhanhvinhan]

Linus, when you give audio sample, do fix the recording level of your camera volume since the camera will ramp up the volume if the noise lvl is too low...

[ShabutaroAB]

WOOHOO Lineage 2 gamer :) or u only use Valakas as wallpaper?

[Dragossby]

MSI Twin Frozr is more powerful and more quality!

[Somethingcrappy]

Wtf? My ASUS 560 ti Directcu II TOP is 78 celcius in furmark all maxed.

[trankhanhvinhan]

@Somethingcrappy ambient temp???

[Somethingcrappy]

@trankhanhvinhan My room is 21 celcius and my case has 5 120mm fans all around 50 CFM.

[trankhanhvinhan]

@Somethingcrappy then try to reseat, clean the heatsink if you really KNOW how to... My 580 twin frozer 3 run max at 70, ambtemp 30 :).

[Somethingcrappy]

@trankhanhvinhan The card is brand new so the heatsink cant be dirty. Also I just noticed that the card is the TOP version(which means its factory OCd at 925MHz core)

Could that be the issue?

[trankhanhvinhan]

@Somethingcrappy how about the contact between the cooler and the chip, reseat may help :)

[klooger28]

@Somethingcrappy He is using a test bench with all open airflow, which will produce temps of like 10 degrees lower than what you will see in the same situation, your card is probably just fine

[SpankyRavenscroft]

I got the Asus, it's black.

[ArcticInfinity]

@SpankyRavenscroft lol

[Cribs00]

@SpankyRavenscroft Racist xD

[Ballsorhs]

Heyey. anyone know which of them thats the best?im about to buy one of em. and buy another one later to use SLI.but i has no damn clue if the 2gb is better then the 1gb. i will use a ASUS P8Z68-V PRO, Socket-1155

MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX Twin Frozr II

MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX  Twin Frozr II

[KikinSinz]

@Ballsorhs 2gb is for more than 1 monitor or higher resolution than 1920x1080

[TheAustin3184]

LINUS!!!!!!!! GTX 560Ti 449 Twin Frozr III NOW!!!

[thomasBLAKEINATORMAT]

I reckon the ASUS looks better than the MSI.

[AthleticPCer]

msi is jest a tad bit louder

[MrBiggin88]

@stock3d99

Where did you get it from! That's an AMAZING price for that card :O

[xiXecasx]

Lol theres must be something wrong with your asus version, because mine is so silent i can barely hear it

[gerraldd]

@xiXecasx maybe the fans on yours aren't on 100% speed

[komguito]

what is the name of the program please??

[stok3d99]

my 6950 tf3 2g just came today...it is a BEAST for 179

[JChan1026]

@stok3d99 What $179 for a 6950 2GB 0_0?!

[stetdawg]

@stok3d99 Please tell me where you bought it from

[aky19832001]

I hate a 2gb 6950 while running youtube and general browsing the temp is around 39-47 and while gaming its about 55-65. Is where the numbers need to be.

[Amuffin456]

@aky19832001 yes, those are perfectly fine temps.

[theshiznut]

@aky19832001 I get 29 C while browsing O_O

[XionEternum]

@aky19832001 If you have Adobe Flash Player set to hardware acceleration on, then yeah, you will get those temps while browsing. While turning it off will reduce them, you will notice a reduction in video quality.

[MrFlyd1234]

what is better: the GTX 560 ti or HD 6870 ?

[TLC673]

@MrFlyd1234 560 Ti by far. it goes (comparisons):

HD6790 ~ GTX 550 Ti

HD6850 ~ N/A

HD6870 ~ GTX 560

HD6950 ~ GTX 560 Ti

HD6970 ~ GTX 570

N/A ~ GTX 580

HD6990 ~ GTX 590

[computerpingu]

@TLC673

6990 is 2 Underclocked 6970 which makes it 2 6950.

GTX 590 is 2 Underclocked GTX 580 which makes it 2 GTX 570

So 6950 is equal to GTX 570

[TLC673]

@computerpingu I was saying that the 6990 is the competitor to the 590, I'm not saying it performs as good as it, but it's still better than a 580/

[XionEternum]

@TLC673 Hehe, you'r right the 6990 doesn't perform as well as the 590, the 6990 destroys the 590. I've tested both on every iteration of 3DMark as well as the new Unigine at stock and overclocked speeds. Similar scores with x8 AA but when you run with reduced AA or none then AMD cards fly ahead in FPS. Ideally one could be cheap on their monitor and use x8 AA on Nvidia or get a higher res monitor and use x4 AA on AMD for the same FPS. Anyone who thinks different needs to check tomshardware.

[Amuffin456]

@computerpingu Nope.

[Jroch2410]

@TLC673 the HD6850 compares to the GTX460 (1GB or 768MB I'm not too sure).

[TLC673]

@Jroch2410 Ok, thanks, I only started getting into computers (learning etc.) around April this year so I don't really know much about the 4xx and 5xxx series.

[XionEternum]

@TLC673 That's based on a single benchmark setting using x8 AA. The ladder shifts dramatically in favor of AMD when you drop to x4 or no AA.

[XionEternum]

@MrFlyd1234 Depends on how much AA you want, if going for x4 then the 6870 (in most models) if going for x8 at reduced FPS then the 560ti (in most models). There are obvious exceptions on both sides though, best value per dollar is the 6950 regardless of AA levels.

[HERPDEDERP49]

twin frozr turns me on.

[Themousewins]

How loud is the twin frozr 2 at 100%? I'm trying to decide between this model or the gigabyte windforce x3 model

[makro80]

im trying to find out wether or not i should buy the msi gtx 580 with twin frozr II or the Gainward gtx 580 "good" edition. The price is equal (havent checked other sites yet) but the msi runs at a little higher core clock and is more "modded" for overclocking. Im not really into that so i was just wondering if theres any differnce in noise between those two cards. Im really hoping for a striaght answer as I'm currently running with 2 gts 240's on bf3. (forgive my noobishness) Now enlight me

[BASSxACE]

@makro80 Go with the MSI twin frozr. It runs cooler and faster, and if yo think its a little loud then you can underclock it back to factory specs and it'll run even cooler and quieter. hope that helps :)

[gamer1200000]

u have the moniter i hav always wonted

[gamer1200000]

wats with the dounot and i play crysis on high on a 7800

[Veiko96]

Twin Frozr II is much more beautiful than Twin Frozr III

[andruha7200]

can you ramp up all those for 3 way sli?

[STBT]

@andruha7200 Nope, 560 Ti is only 2 way sli.

[yoiamabadboy]

focus , focus , there you go

[qcnicolas]

so if we doesn't care about temperature, but really care about NOISE, stock card is better ? (At the end of video, MSI and ASUS seam to make so mutch noise)

[lKasHl]

@qcnicolas No as a rule stock coolers will always be louder than custom coolers for a given temperature. In other words say you want your card to be ~80 degrees celcius under load, the stock cooler will be louder at this temperature than the ASUS/MSI offerings. The only reason they are louder in this video is because of the more aggressive fan profiles.

That said, if you don't know how to customise fan profiles, the stock cooler will most likely be the quietest solution for this instance

[qcnicolas]

@lKasHl Thx IKasHi, In fact I had buy the GTX 560 ti CALIBRE, @950Mhz stock, and It was making so much noise at 100% U.GPU, and temp become so hot (82-84°), even if I downclock the frequency...(or juste 2-3° better).

I know how customize fan profiles, but at this temp, you just can't.

So I was afraid this MSI or this ASUS was same, but it seems that not, I bought the MSI one, and the temperature are very good, allowing me to customize profile to be very quiet :)

Sorry for my bad English.

[lKasHl]

@qcnicolas Your english is fine bro.

950mhz is about a 15% overclock, which is actually pretty high for a stock card so I'm assuming they would have overvolted it more than necessary (to ensure 100% compatability despite differences in the silicone) so if you still have the Calibre and it is voltage adjustable, you could probably shrink the voltage back a bit seeing thats the main thing that causes the heat.

Enjoy the MSI one though :)

[Galal0110]

this is the most biased comparison ever!!! DO IT ON AN ASUS MOTHERBOARD!!

/sarcasm

[Lordkingxz]

i dont think the msi is worth the extra 25 pounds than the asus asus is is for me!:)

[Armaangandevia1]

i like to put in like a millions fans because i don't care about noise

i also like putting a lot of fans cuz fan controllers ARE AWESOME!

[unforgiven1948]

Twin Frozr is sexy

[TheMegaMarah]

Which graphic card is better, the ASUS GTX 570 Direct CU II; or the MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III

[STAKERism]

@TheMegaMarah ASUS GTX 570 Direct CU II

[FieldMarchall]

@TheMegaMarah MSI. 2 pci-e slots for MSI, with great cooling.

[Zacccc51]

@TheMegaMarah MSI. It only requires two slots and has the same cooling.

[TheArcticWonder]

@TheMegaMarah I bought a MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr iii, it's AMAZING.

[lufodao1990]

@TheArcticWonder how many fps on crysis 2 and bf3 at max settings?

[taroakatoshii]

@TheArcticWonder same FUARK

[iminovic]

MSI Power

[Jeffredo729]

I have a EVGA reference GTX 560 Ti. Only a moderate OC - 930Mhz. The fan is whisper quiet. With the fan on auto it idles at 32C and while gaming it hits 68-74C which is completely fine (and normal). The GPU is rated at something like 99C so all this fussing over temps is a non-issue. I'd much rather have a quiet, larger single fan than two 80mm ones kicking up that much racket.

[shtiken]

@Jeffredo729 True for a single card. but if you had two of your card in there, you would have considerably higher temps (10-15C higher)... the cooler cards come into play then.

[EnnesX]

someone should name their son twin frozr

[shtiken]

@EnnesX Done!

[edwintanjunhong]

Can my case fit a MSI GTX 560 ti twin frozr II

my case is a lenovo k330

[Y0URm0mmasballs]

@edwintanjunhong If you are using a lenovo pc, I would be more worried about whether you have the PCI-e slots, the Case cooling as this card dumps hot air INSIDE the case, & most importantly, whether the power supply has the juice to power this card.

[LokiTime]

@edwintanjunhong Im sure you can run it. but double check to make sure.

[hyoobz]

i wish i can buy one

[tavi921]

what's that stray wire doing above the graphics card? by mistake it could get into the fans.....

[mastafaforga]

Asus is orgasmic, but MSI is better!

[bobdude17]

I have a question (and pardon me for sounding like a noob), but I wanted to know how you are calculating the delta for the temps?

[Znomon]

@bobdude17 subtract the temp of the card, by the temp of the room. "delta" means "change in" thus the change in temp between the card and the room is "Delta" degrees

[lonesoldier33]

God, that DirectCUII is sexy :)

[Lemiixem]

I am currently using an Asrock H61M-VS motherboard. I do not plan on overclocking my CPU or using any sata 6GB/s devices. Will I be hindering my computers performance by pairing my Asrock H61M-VS with a Intel i5 2500 and a MSI GTX560 ti. I also have a good solid Antec 620W High current gamer power supply. So will there be any bottlenecking occur with the Asrock H61M-VS motherboard?

[Lemiixem]

I am currently using an Asrock H61M-VS motherboard. I do not plan on overclocking my CPU or using any sata 6GB/s devices. Will I be hindering my computers performance by pairing my Asrock H61M-VS with a Intel i5 2500 and a MSI GTX560 ti. I also have a good solid Antec 620W High current gamer power supply. So will there be any bottlenecking occur with the Asrock H61M-VS motherboard?

[RoflMinToffel]

Which card is the most quiet in idle?

[MrWatermelon4250]

couldn't even hear the audio at the end because my computer sounds like a dam fighter jet taking off.

[cheesekabob]

@MrWatermelon4250  Use Headphones ..

[MrWatermelon4250]

@cheesekabob i am, thats my point! :P

[cheesekabob]

@MrWatermelon4250  nice xD

[climb2freak]

Wtf... Everywhere I read that this card is comparable with a Boeing 747, and the temps still hits temps like 90°c... WHich is true???!! Yours seems to perform just good...

[Crawlerz2468]

Linus do you mind benching and so forth on MSI 6970 Lightning FrozrIII?

[Arnoud1987000]

Asus = UGLY MSI is good looking :D

[Startrance666]

Bought this card after checking some videos on youtube, so thx for the unboxing videos, the card was really damn nice.

first tried to get my hands on a MSI 580 GTX Lightning card, but was really really hard to find.

[Myg6969]

the msi card only 2x SLI or 3x and 4x SLI

[FROZT12345]

I have the keyboard in thiz video all I can Say iz that it is old and sucks....

[blizzaroxx]

MSI has no VRM, thus it's likely to die earlier than Asus..

[th4970]

@blizzaroxx

LOL. The VRM cooling is kinda nonsense, because it has very minimal affect. Many manufacturers have started leaving out those heatsinks, because it's waste of money.

[poisonblack83]

@blizzaroxx what do you mean ?

[pugay69]

Why is there a dell keyboard there?

[Shirow66]

I'm running the same test and I'm getting 81C on my Asus with open case. The fanspeed is the same, around 2300-2400. Any suggestions? Can I RMA for high temps?

[gabrocki]

WTF? i swear that CPU fan was not rolling at 3:06-3:15

[Enidehalas]

@gabrocki You mean the black one, lighted by the blue LED ? That's not the CPU fan, just a fan hanging in the back of the shelf. The CPU fan is the brown/golden fan attached to the rad tower

[ThemeDesign]

MSI FTW

[EWColaCanada]

So the MSi card is better?

[TheTMGamers]

@EWColaCanada Yes.

[gabrocki]

@EWColaCanada here (in hungary) the MSi card is cheaper. and, it was 3-4°C cooler in this video, so it seems to be better. :)

[guttersmurf]

i wonder what temps the stock GPU would have been at if it's fan had ramped like the others?

[ShadowwwLFS]

@guttersmurf They all had auto fan control enabled from what I can see on the video.

[89dacosta]

The DCU II sucks omg.... Hotter than the TFII, and much more louder... =O

[Alron11]

@lucasvdv

Shouldn't that be 1156->1155?

[thlin]

lol it went up 1 degree because Linus farted =O

[RemixPLrc96]

give me one of these cards xD

[ableite]

you needed a calculator to do that delta calculation? omg....

[Cainori]

You do know that Gigabyte has an 1000Mhz processor ;)

[jasontvnd]

@Cainori not on that card it doesnt.

[vrajitorul2008]

Can I ask you a question? Have you kept all the Stickers from the motherboard,graphics card,processor... ?

[lenke1049]

Hey! It will be cool if you compare the Gtx 580 3 slots Asus cooler with the Twin Frozr II...That would be a very interesting comparison....

[ilovetrains12]

if anyone has this!! please tell me what the noise is actually like, is it really quiet and does it spin up fast, because it is hard to judge through the speakers. Thanks!

[th4970]

@ilovetrains12

I don't have it, but I have heard what it sounds like. Actually I didn't hear anything when it was running a full gaming load.

[waveybatz98]

so which one is better???????!

[Joooooniiiiii]

Which one you recommend? Both Asus and Msi cost 259,90€ in store.

[datgv1]

@Joooooniiiiii i would buy the msi gtx560 twinfrozr cuz it got much higher clockspeed

[Joooooniiiiii]

@datgv1 Just ordered GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II and Fractal Design R3 :D

[TorxT3D]

DELTA BRAVO ZULU!

[tommy714pham]

msi ftw

[Aristowi]

Unbox the MSI 6950 with Twin Frozr II

[mirvid]

please linus unbox the gainward gtx 580 3gb phantom!!

[BarackMcBush]

I think Gigabyte has the fastest gtx 560 at 1000mhz...

[BarackMcBush]

What about Kombuster ,does it throttle also?..

[zn74]

Can you SLI or crossfire on windows 32 bit?

[10010110101]

does anyone have the exact length of the MSI twin Frozr card ?

[darios9797]

looks like msi one wins

[Ingram124]

if anyone here form the UK has ever watched top gear they will know that they made their theme out of car engine noises, perhaps linus could use the fan noises to make a theme? would be cool to see what he can come up with.

[Intz51]

In my opinion hardware reviewers like linus should only do those tests that push your hardware to the limit. for the home users its waste of time and risk of shortening the life of your hardware to try out these tests, they wont make anything better and your scores wont be better than average reviews results.

[Delus1on77]

use GPUZ to override that throttle :P

[lucasvdv]

@mymichellegunsnroses Yes, I know. Sorry for mistyping.

[smartbotX]

It appears that only the reference PCB have the power monitor built in other cards such as the Twin Frozr II and the DirectCUII doesn't have that feature implemented so it won't be throttled down

[xzBlakxHiTMaNxz]

BRO I WANNA BE LIKE YOU!! SERIOUSLY!!

[jacobmcr858]

@xzBlakxHiTMaNxz We all do . . .

[tmacfan4321]

Thanks for the comparo!

[discy12345]

download new furmark!

[vanguard921]

The Graphics Card and the PC are generating a lot of heat that the room temperature is going Up.

[spiloFTW]

HOCUS POCUS FOCUS!

[faizytechtips]

WOW! Pakistan won Cricket Match From LinusTechTips's country Canada.And I am Pakistani.

[JorisCeoen]

@TotaIHaIibut The HD6000 series sucks x) most HD5000 cards are still better than the 6000

[MissMan666]

@JorisCeoen wrong, the 6000 series has better scaling when in crossfire, uses less power, dosnt get as hot. They where not meant to be much faster, but more effecient.

[JorisCeoen]

@TotaIHaIibut Wait for the HD7000 series btw, they "should be" awsome

[ManiakP0w3r]

@JavaGameKid it's not a background lol it's furmark (benchmarking program :) )

[euSTaQuio2161]

this video is a bit boring for my taste but linus makes it interesting.

Keep the good work!!!

[s4xon]

Your camera has ADD.

[tripdeezy]

SWEET GALAGHER! 24 degrees room temp??!! you must be freezing?!

[MrZantas]

@tripdeezy It's in Celsius :)

[NightbringerMinion]

@tripdeezy Thats 75 in Fahrenheit you idiot....

[LuckOrLoss]

@NightbringerMinion Afterburner displays celcius

[NightbringerMinion]

@LuckOrLoss No no no, the guy was saying that 25 Celsius would be cold. He thought it was 24 Fahrenheit.

[MWSR2]

Focus, focus... Haha. Linus, you need a beter camera. This one doens't like to work with too closed focus... haha

[santoroma17]

what screen is that

[jopitan]

Linus buy the 'Voltcraft SL 100 Volume Measuring' its only 53 euro's thats around 71 CAD. And btw,, did you measure the room temperature infront of the graphicscard? (That weird string) Probably you should aim it just somewhere else to get a proper room temperature measurement :) Though very well done :)

[jfrydom]

@jopitan sound pollution would prevent him from getting an accurate measurement.

[TheAntecFan]

What video card is good for around $150?

[elpedomasgrande1]

@TheAntecFan GTX 460

[jeff77789]

@TheAntecFan gtx 460