Metal .vs. Hip Hop - A Comparison of Technicality (Part 1)

[KornAddicted7]

Im a Korn fan so fuck hip hop... So all hail metal!!!

[DJAWSOMVSMRJOHNNY]

hey, not hating on the video, just wondering if you do another video like this, please try and include guys from the hip hop scene such as -Nas -Immortal Technique -Common -Sean Price -Slaughterhouse -Jay z (his more lyrical songs, then his mainstream bullshit) -Big L Or if your going more modern : -Kendrick Lamar -J.Cole -XV -Fashawn -Yellow Wolf -Royce da 5'9 -Tyler the Creator (Only his song 'Yonkers') -Hopsin

[mynameisjonas45]

@DJAWSOMVSMRJOHNNY Check out my other two videos. By the way, Nas is great.

[DrRyanOGorman]

This is probably the worst possible list of musicians to represent both genres.

[mynameisjonas45]

@DrRyanOGorman Please give reasons as to why.

[DrRyanOGorman]

@mynameisjonas45

They all suck.

[mynameisjonas45]

@DrRyanOGorman Can you give a real reason? Do you have a reason that isn't subjective?

[TooDysfunctional]

I feel they're equal, because they add up skill-wise. Although Rap and Hip-Hop are slightly easier to make the beats (still takes quite a big of skill nonetheless), the lyrical passion and well-written verses are matched by few other genres.

However, on the other side, rock's instrumentals are very intricate and hard to write and perform, but usually, most metal focuses more on that and not lyrical content. Not saying I haven't heard any artistic metal songs.

[LiNaK37]

@TooDysfunctional Hip-Hop beats really aren't that hard to make. Some artists have some solid beats (N.E.R.D.), but it doesn't compare to the kind of shit that artists like Venetian Snares and Squarepusher make. I'd like to see Timbaland or Lex Luger make a song like Szerencsétlen or Beepstreet.

[mdr130418]

to be fair, and include all genres, symphony orchestras take the most skill and pop takes the least. It's difficult to to compare hip hop and metal, cuz different sub-genres of each take different amounts of skill. for some reason the most popular sub-genres, have very little skill. (Eminem and Slipknot have no skill, seriously, lady gaga can rap better then Eminem, and slipknot sounds like a fire alarm) From these particular 12 though, Amon Amarth has the most skill.

[mynameisjonas45]

@mdr130418You're fucking crazy. Did you really just say Eminem and Slipknot have no skill? You couldn't write the lyrics Eminem has wrote. Slipknot isn't the most technical band but it takes skill to play their songs, especially the ones off of Vol 3 and AHIG. Listen to the solos on AHIG and Vol 3. Those takes skill, regardless of if you like the band or not. Amon Amarth has the most skill? What? Are you serious? I think you forgot that Behemoth was in that video. Behemoth is much more technical

[drmoske]

@mynameisjonas45 Quite honestly metal compared to metal is impossible, just as much so is it impossible to compare metal to hip hop, I'm a HUGE,HUGE metal head but even I like me some Eminem or Lady Gaga from time to time, it just depends on your taste

[MegaThrashhead]

@mynameisjonas45 slipknot sucks



[bobshenix]

And yea most trance songs I've heard are much more complex and layered than hip hop tracks which are almost always more repetitive and commercial sounding. Not a huge trance fan but i'd have to agree it sounds more refreshing and dynamic than your typical hip hop track.

[deathnightmare666]

I like metal fuck hiphop

[Bzong]

oh my god, that isn't even metal, slipknots absolute trash, icp's absolute trash. horrible comparison by the way.

[mynameisjonas45]

@notoriousgeek How does that make it better musically though?

[notoriousgeek]

@mynameisjonas45 no i don't give a fuck comaring 2 differents music styles.i just think hiphop culture is more richer then metal

[notoriousgeek]

hip hop is culture with music,dance graff, djing.no comparaison possible.hip hop rules motherfuckers

[apnixlover900]

i would think hip hop

[LiNaK37]

@apnixlover900 I would think you're stupid.

[Gustavotenis]

poor people without a brain go to hip hop and ritchs with a half braind,go to de heavy metal.i have half of a brain

[superchef78]

@Gustavotenis If you have half a brain something is wrong.

[Gustavotenis]

@superchef78 Yes,there is something wrong ,u have 1/8 of a brain if u dont understand.

[superchef78]

@Gustavotenis I just think having half a brain is weird. Unlike you, I have a full brain (despite your backhanded attempt of the ad hominem brain argument, ie "u have 1/8 OF a brain IF u DONT understand.").

[Gustavotenis]

@superchef78 was a metaphor ¬¬ ,forget it,keep listening to this kind of music :D

[MEKON17]

if you think about the old school, before shit like fruityloops or CDJs or even MPCs.. hip-hop took one HELL of a lot more skill to produce than metal. Producers had to be very technically minded to operate all this really early equipment, a lot of which hadn't been designed for the task at hand (very experimental). Not only that, but MCs of course had to be pretty adept (and clever i guess).

[MEKON17]

@MEKON17 nowadays though, lets be honest, anybody can put together a hiphop track on their computer. Guitar meanwhile still takes genuine skill to play. Things change... who cares about technicality anyway? just listen to it if you like the music.

[rhymesayersn1fan]

@mynameisjonas no i dont really you put 3 6 mafia and icp and nelly and stuff dig first but i love your metal bands

[haywirehaywirehaywir]

I have a lot of experience with both genres so i feel comfortable answering to youre questions in the descriptionI made metal back in the day for about 4 years and was getting pretty good at it too but i began to look more into electronically created music and discovered a passion for hip hop & dubstep. You cant judge 'which genre takes more skill' because you cant prove it. Just as metal vocalists practice to sound good - hip-hop vocalists do. Also beatmaking in hiphop takes a lot of skill too.

[LiNaK37]

@haywirehaywirehaywir Lol @ beatmaking in hiphop takes a lot of skill. It takes skill, but don't stretch it. Trance tracks are much more musically sound, so are metal tracks.

[haywirehaywirehaywir]

@LiNaK37 I actually have been studying music theory for 12 years now, and ive been producing hip-hop for four years. I used to be into metal, but i switched to hip-hop just because its more fun to produce. Now that thats said, i know what im talking about, and i truly believe that no genre takes more skill than another. You probably have a very personal connection to Trance. I can find plenty examples of trance songs that take less skill to make than hip-hop songs. Msg me if you still disagree.

[bobshenix]

@haywirehaywirehaywir

It doesn't have to be one or the other... metal or hip hop. What about all the other genres?? And the metal artists portrayed here are all bubblegum mainstream radio metal. Not a big metal fan but i respect real metal artists, most of which are European unknowns from Scandinavia and Denmark... melodic metal with classically trained guitarists like In Flames.

At least Metal musicians play their own instruments on the songs they compose... whether you like or not.

[haywirehaywirehaywir]

@bobshenix Why did you respond to my comment with that. I was also saying that all genres are equal. Plus, you said "At least Metal musicians play their own instruments.." as compared to hiphop producers who dont? Im sorry but thats completely false.Plenty hiphop producers play piano to make their beats (midi controllers), and im a hiphop producer and I most definitely play my own instrument. Also when i think of skilled metal artists i think of Necrophagist, i have no idea who in flames are

[bobshenix]

@haywirehaywirehaywir

Point taken. But regardless, even those hip hop producers who actually play an instrument (almost always the keyboard) they are, for the most part, merely playing/writing a single melody which is simply repeated on a loop throughout the track... a beat and other tidbits are added electronically and there you have a track.

Playing a single melody to be repeated throughout a track is not as difficult as synchronizing 4-5 instruments at once... not to mention improvisations

[haywirehaywirehaywir]

@bobshenix It all depends if your looking at stereotypes of hip hop or if your looking at all artists that have produced hip hop. Cause if your looking at stereotypical hip hop then sure theres little wayne beatmakers and more that make basic, simple and easy to make beats. But if you look at hip hop as a collective i would not make the generalizations that youve made. Sure theres artists out there that fit your description of a 'hip hop producer' perfectly - but theres artists that fit mine too

[bobshenix]

@LiNaK37

Haywire obviously failed at producing real music so like many other amateurs i know he plays around with beats on his laptop and calls himself a hiphop producer... lol

Don't hate just because you can't produced instrumentally-orchestrated music!!

[haywirehaywirehaywir]

@bobshenix Really? Before you make any assumptions about my producing methods i suggest you check me out further. Ive been playing piano for a good 12 years now, and im 18. I play with a jazz combo all the time, we play at performances in Wisconsin, for example, on presidents day my jazz combo is playing for the Mayor Tom Barret. So, instead of making generalizations id say back the fuck off, and you cant possibly say that what i make isnt real music. Lets see you make 'real music'

[bobshenix]

@haywirehaywirehaywir

I'm sorry if i offended you, i didn't mean to say it isn't "real music" just that the average hip hop track is easier for an amateur to make than some other types of music, generally speaking. Of course there are some hip hop producers who make more intricate or layered tracks, so again im not tryin to be that guy. I have my opinion you have yours. Good luck with your projects.

[TheNatManRS]

Don't post something advertising eminem on an Ozzy video.

[laxgoalie5115]

first of all metal kinda blows...its absolute garbage compared to Indie rock, and I mean absolute garbage...if youre comparing metal to hip hop, hip hop wins. If you compare indie to hip hop...different story

secondly you used crappy hip hop artists the real stuff is wiz, currensy, tupac, mac miller, wale...so really neither of your genres win...

[superchef78]

@laxgoalie5115 That is your opinion. I understand you have a lot of emotional involvement in the matter though.

[xBXRxAaron]

Really? You use Nelly, Three 6 Mafia, Lil Wayne?

[superchef78]

@xBXRxAaron Yes, he did. : )

[rhymesayersn1fan]

this is not a good comparison at all put real hip hop on their i listen to metal as well and some of the yrics by metal artists are extremely creative, but put some underground really good rappers on here ie: atmosphere, jedimind tricks, demigodz, armyof the pharoahs, brother ali, eyedea, grieves people that are skilled for god sake you put icp on here?

[ThrashTillDeath322]

this is really a messed up comparison, lil wayne compared to wombbath, what the fuck? why would you pick an underground death classic and compare it to some commercial, radio rap crap.