Wow that Pogo was really a hand full & hard to fly!! Well, hopefully the foamey GreatPlanes VFO will be a tamer and more enjoyable plane to fly!
(Tower says delivery is mid-January, so I've ordered two of them, and if you don't mind, one will be dog-sleded to you at your test grounds in Artic Sibley) ET
Was it this one or the other tailsitter that they wanted to fly from the decks of escort vessels? Imagine trying to land in a typhoon! Of course one of them was built to fit inside a nuke survivable teepee also, so as to engage 2nd strike bombers after all the civilians are dead. I'm glad I was only a little kid in that era.
Go to the aerofly(.)com website and they click on "free stuff". You will have to look through all the links to find it, so start with Aerofly's Planes first. You'll see it in the first link.
Damn, did Convair ever bother to do 1/4 scale mockups and wind tunnel tests? They could've moved something to shift the CG a little more aft to make it stable. If nothing else, a system that moves fuel from the wings to a tank in the tail just before landing would've helped.
Your so right. They finally made a weird looking landing gear for it, because no one could land it very reliably, and I believe it as shown in this video. Guess that's why there were only a handful ever made.
The E-Sky Co Co Lamas (V4, etc) works the same. They are under $100! Check out E-Sky's website for more or my Blade CX2 video for a more expensive version, but still the same concept.
Yes Airscooters have way more control than this Pogo, since the pogo only had engine and tail fin controls. It was super nose heavy too, making it worse. The pogo's motor spinned so fast with such slow torque reaction and small blades they couldn't do torque turns by speeding one up or down to make it rotate. Of course this was 50 years ago. Make sure to make a video of your project and good luck. AirScooters has a nice website too.
The Pogo in Real Flight must not be a very accurate model because I don't think its really that hard to fly. Same with the Stits Sky Baby for that matter. It seems like its way easier to fly then the real thing would be. Landing in the Pogo takes a lot of practice, of course.
Well post a video of you landing it if you think it is easy. The real one was scrapped because no one could fly and land it. They even had to put an unusual, gangly looking landing gear on it.
I posted a video of myself launching and landing the Pogo 4 times consecutively. Just for the record, I never said landing it is easy. I said it's really not that hard to fly but "landing in the Pogo takes a lot of practice."
Try aerofly and you will see a huge differnce as it doesn't even start out on the ground. It has to be handlaunched. G4 planes are all easy and why Aerofly won the award for most realistic planes. I saw your video.
Thanks much for the info on Aerofly, by the way. I don't care much for any kind of phoney physics, such as G4. I'm going to try to get a hold of Aerofly lickety split.
It says that in the description to the right of the video! The whole point was to show it it was difficult to fly in real life and was scrapped, not that you could fly it in G4. Enough!
Is there any special trick to setting up control channels on this? My commander is set up fine for flying any plane on AFPD but on this plane it seems controls are switched to bizarre channels compared to other planes (up elevator nosedives).
Try flying it in the helicopter config? I dont know, I use my Hitec Eclipse 7. You will have a nervous breakdown trying to fly in anyway... ha ha. I did.
I wonder... Would have been that hard for the engineers on the original project [make that: real pogo, not model or simulator] to have run a series of condiuts inside the wings to provide stabilzing thrust fromt the tips in anticipation of stability problems? Or even perhaps gimbal-mount the rotor hub to provide Cyclic pitch and yaw?
This is absolutely the most interesting RC flight vid. I never knew just what to expect. What a 'squirrely' critter. I recall when it was an actual test project described in Pop Sci or Pop Mech. We've come a long way baby.
Thank you kindly sir. Your right, we have come a long way, considering we only learned to fly real airplanes just 100 years ago!
I dont know what they did for the first 5000 years but in the last 100 years we have created the most amazing accomplishmentsm of course due to Einstein, Franklin, and Newton. They were aliens though, and helped us.
If you go to blogengeezer dot wordpress dot com. You may have read this story but it's interesting anyway. Links to few of my other blogs found there as well. Myself and cousins all 'Wing Nuts'. 'Chiqitita' on daflikkers links to a great Mil support site. after listining to music slides hit 'Spanish' to link on. Retired 'Heavy' Driver. 'Cowboy Poet' another F-15, 757 'driver'.
In the last 38 years, The United States of America has been 'blessed'? with far more Legalistic Attorneys seeking 'Indictments' and political power, than Engineers and Scientists 'Envisioning The Future'.
Dave you got me confused on this one. Your video says the Pogo "could not hover". Do you mean in your rc sim or the REAL Pogo? Reason: the page you show at the beginning of your video says: "His descents often began higher than 300 m (1,000 ft). The aircraft was not stable and maintaining a hover required constant corrective action on the flight controls." This seems to say that the Pogo COULD hover and didnt have to do those swooping landings like in your video. Hmmm.
There was no cyclic control, so it was not good at stabilized hover.
That is why they scrapped it. The model uses real physics and it won't hover either. Try it. I welcome your videos of it flying on your Aerofly sim. The swooping landings are the only way I could land it at all!
I dont doubt yours was the best solution to landing in that sim. I'm also sure Dave that I wouldnt be able to do it. Your MUCH more experienced than me, I'd never question that. I just wanted to clarify that the real Pogo could hover (however poorly) even if the sim one could not. Peace. And keep up the great work. Your a service to the YouTube community!
Coleman was the only real pilot. Here was his technique. "He approached the field low with the engine set at flight-idle. At mid-field, he popped the control stick back into his stomach and pitched the airplane's nose straight up. The speed fell sharply but just as he reached the peak of his climb, Coleman applied power and stopped the Pogo in mid-air. With practice, the test pilot could stop the climb in a hover, reduce power and "back" down to a nice landing, but sustained hover was marginal.
Hey thanks Joe. You know, you sent this message 5 days ago it says, and I just got the e mail today saying I have a MSG from you! That took a long time! Aerofly, 10 in 1-10 Scale. You really feel your at a real flying site!
Did they ever land one successfully?
magicmike1122 2 months ago
Now you tell me it's just a model! I thought I was looking at the real thing I saw in the news when I was a kid.
imjustpassinthru 3 months ago
Awesome.....
180literkanon 6 months ago in playlist RC Aircraft
Rare airplane GREAT post!!!!
Greenhornet270 1 year ago
the pogo was not destroyed i know that for sure
newnerfguns 2 years ago
Hi Dave:
Wow that Pogo was really a hand full & hard to fly!! Well, hopefully the foamey GreatPlanes VFO will be a tamer and more enjoyable plane to fly!
(Tower says delivery is mid-January, so I've ordered two of them, and if you don't mind, one will be dog-sleded to you at your test grounds in Artic Sibley) ET
ElectronTeacher 2 years ago
Was it this one or the other tailsitter that they wanted to fly from the decks of escort vessels? Imagine trying to land in a typhoon! Of course one of them was built to fit inside a nuke survivable teepee also, so as to engage 2nd strike bombers after all the civilians are dead. I'm glad I was only a little kid in that era.
whizbang47 2 years ago
Great Post you are one hell of a pilot!!
cajunhornet60 2 years ago
They've also got this in Realflight, and your right, its so hard to fly and nose heavy!
its easy to torque roll thoug?:P but anyway good vid!
0TOM007 2 years ago
Finally someone puts on some decent background tunes!
pencon61 2 years ago
Haha. Thanks very kindly.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
man that looks absolutely terrifying to fly. once you start losing altitude you have to accelerate to regain it! nice choice of music by the way! :D
thecrikster 3 years ago
Thanks. It sure was.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
the world is small!
I find another vid of you again
lol
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
its almost like your VTOL storm launche that you made.
dontask2015 3 years ago
Haha. Yep and just as hard to fly. LOL
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
where can i find this aefpd model?...Nice flying
I post other mutant planes in the videoresponse---tks
alex681219 3 years ago
Go to the aerofly(.)com website and they click on "free stuff". You will have to look through all the links to find it, so start with Aerofly's Planes first. You'll see it in the first link.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Damn, did Convair ever bother to do 1/4 scale mockups and wind tunnel tests? They could've moved something to shift the CG a little more aft to make it stable. If nothing else, a system that moves fuel from the wings to a tank in the tail just before landing would've helped.
InfiniteMushroom 3 years ago
Your so right. They finally made a weird looking landing gear for it, because no one could land it very reliably, and I believe it as shown in this video. Guess that's why there were only a handful ever made.
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Powerplant is mini turbine?
bycel 3 years ago
Yes, not so mini in those days, but heavy.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Any detailed photos? Web page about Your Pogo? Its very interesant. PS: apologize my poor english :-)
bycel 3 years ago
actually it went 610mph due to a 5850hp xt40 turboprop
burningsponge 3 years ago
The E-Sky Co Co Lamas (V4, etc) works the same. They are under $100! Check out E-Sky's website for more or my Blade CX2 video for a more expensive version, but still the same concept.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Yes Airscooters have way more control than this Pogo, since the pogo only had engine and tail fin controls. It was super nose heavy too, making it worse. The pogo's motor spinned so fast with such slow torque reaction and small blades they couldn't do torque turns by speeding one up or down to make it rotate. Of course this was 50 years ago. Make sure to make a video of your project and good luck. AirScooters has a nice website too.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
The Pogo in Real Flight must not be a very accurate model because I don't think its really that hard to fly. Same with the Stits Sky Baby for that matter. It seems like its way easier to fly then the real thing would be. Landing in the Pogo takes a lot of practice, of course.
crookedtool 3 years ago
Well post a video of you landing it if you think it is easy. The real one was scrapped because no one could fly and land it. They even had to put an unusual, gangly looking landing gear on it.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I posted a video of myself launching and landing the Pogo 4 times consecutively. Just for the record, I never said landing it is easy. I said it's really not that hard to fly but "landing in the Pogo takes a lot of practice."
crookedtool 3 years ago
Try aerofly and you will see a huge differnce as it doesn't even start out on the ground. It has to be handlaunched. G4 planes are all easy and why Aerofly won the award for most realistic planes. I saw your video.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
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crookedtool 3 years ago
Thanks much for the info on Aerofly, by the way. I don't care much for any kind of phoney physics, such as G4. I'm going to try to get a hold of Aerofly lickety split.
crookedtool 3 years ago
It says that in the description to the right of the video! The whole point was to show it it was difficult to fly in real life and was scrapped, not that you could fly it in G4. Enough!
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
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crookedtool 3 years ago
No body is perfect.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Dave,
Is there any special trick to setting up control channels on this? My commander is set up fine for flying any plane on AFPD but on this plane it seems controls are switched to bizarre channels compared to other planes (up elevator nosedives).
Thanks,
Jeff
puddud22 4 years ago
Try flying it in the helicopter config? I dont know, I use my Hitec Eclipse 7. You will have a nervous breakdown trying to fly in anyway... ha ha. I did.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
I wonder... Would have been that hard for the engineers on the original project [make that: real pogo, not model or simulator] to have run a series of condiuts inside the wings to provide stabilzing thrust fromt the tips in anticipation of stability problems? Or even perhaps gimbal-mount the rotor hub to provide Cyclic pitch and yaw?
Dreaded88 4 years ago
This is absolutely the most interesting RC flight vid. I never knew just what to expect. What a 'squirrely' critter. I recall when it was an actual test project described in Pop Sci or Pop Mech. We've come a long way baby.
Blogengezer 4 years ago
Thank you kindly sir. Your right, we have come a long way, considering we only learned to fly real airplanes just 100 years ago!
I dont know what they did for the first 5000 years but in the last 100 years we have created the most amazing accomplishmentsm of course due to Einstein, Franklin, and Newton. They were aliens though, and helped us.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
If you go to blogengeezer dot wordpress dot com. You may have read this story but it's interesting anyway. Links to few of my other blogs found there as well. Myself and cousins all 'Wing Nuts'. 'Chiqitita' on daflikkers links to a great Mil support site. after listining to music slides hit 'Spanish' to link on. Retired 'Heavy' Driver. 'Cowboy Poet' another F-15, 757 'driver'.
Blogengezer 4 years ago
In 66 years we went all the way from Kittyhawk to Tranquilitybase, and in the last 38 years we haven't done ANYTHING nearly as ambitious! Why?
Dreaded88 4 years ago
In the last 38 years, The United States of America has been 'blessed'? with far more Legalistic Attorneys seeking 'Indictments' and political power, than Engineers and Scientists 'Envisioning The Future'.
Blogengezer 4 years ago
Those are some awful huge leaps you're comparing current tech to. Check out the X-32 and X-35.
DaScatman 4 years ago
I have. They're shit!
Dreaded88 4 years ago
looks like real RC Pogo, great sim!
HisMajestyOKeefe 4 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Damn! I'm just gald I'm not the only one who couldn't land that thing at first! :-)
mrpleasurex 4 years ago
What flight sim are you using in this video?
SirMildredPierce 4 years ago
Aerofly Pro Deluxe.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
they have this fpr real flight to but what expansion or add on do you need?
LaZyLuKe25 4 years ago
I never saw it for Real flight, as it is an Aerofly deal. So I dont know about the CD addons.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
The pogo is on Expansion Pack 2 for Real Flight.
moolikeacow2 4 years ago
If this was a 60 min video, it should be on the discovery channel.
Ingeanous 4 years ago
That is kind of you. If you know someone over there let me know. Ha ha.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Dave you got me confused on this one. Your video says the Pogo "could not hover". Do you mean in your rc sim or the REAL Pogo? Reason: the page you show at the beginning of your video says: "His descents often began higher than 300 m (1,000 ft). The aircraft was not stable and maintaining a hover required constant corrective action on the flight controls." This seems to say that the Pogo COULD hover and didnt have to do those swooping landings like in your video. Hmmm.
Partok81 4 years ago
There was no cyclic control, so it was not good at stabilized hover.
That is why they scrapped it. The model uses real physics and it won't hover either. Try it. I welcome your videos of it flying on your Aerofly sim. The swooping landings are the only way I could land it at all!
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
I dont doubt yours was the best solution to landing in that sim. I'm also sure Dave that I wouldnt be able to do it. Your MUCH more experienced than me, I'd never question that. I just wanted to clarify that the real Pogo could hover (however poorly) even if the sim one could not. Peace. And keep up the great work. Your a service to the YouTube community!
Partok81 4 years ago
Coleman was the only real pilot. Here was his technique. "He approached the field low with the engine set at flight-idle. At mid-field, he popped the control stick back into his stomach and pitched the airplane's nose straight up. The speed fell sharply but just as he reached the peak of his climb, Coleman applied power and stopped the Pogo in mid-air. With practice, the test pilot could stop the climb in a hover, reduce power and "back" down to a nice landing, but sustained hover was marginal.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Thanks a lot.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
wow that's one tough aircraft to land :\
nice vid :)
cooldisel 4 years ago
Thanks. Yep it is a handful!
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Good stuff Dave...... Had me squeezing the arms of my chair just watching the landings.
dave2552000 4 years ago
Thanks a lot. I think I squeezed the sticks on my Transmitter flat too! Ha ha.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Good work on the video. That is a good flight sim as well. How would you rate aerofly pro deluxe?
joehandsome99 4 years ago
All the Magazines rate it as the best! It is extremely realistic and I love to fly it...especially this Pogo, as it really keeps me on my toes.
NightFlyyer 4 years ago
Hey thanks Joe. You know, you sent this message 5 days ago it says, and I just got the e mail today saying I have a MSG from you! That took a long time! Aerofly, 10 in 1-10 Scale. You really feel your at a real flying site!
NightFlyyer 4 years ago