DC Progressives Threaten Violence Against Wounded Vet

[erik24077]

any liberal, any time, any where cannot stand those people.

[homor242]

the actions of these people will go on to damage their point.

[DixieComic]

Like they care. As long as they can 'stick it to the man' they see it as a win. I'd like to see if they still had that view if they spent a week in Burma.

No X-Box, no Blackberry, no I-tunes. Just lots of misery, evil jackasses beating the crap out of you, and tons of landmines.

Idiots like these give rise to the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Mao's. If people don't wake up, this moron wave will be ridden someone evil who will promise them the world one day and execute them the next.

[ExodusNJ]

So tolerant, aren't they? Thank God for the soldiers who stand up to fight against oppressive radicals like this. Thank you troops for your service and defending our freedoms from intolerant assholes like this.

[KARStarla]

Have you seen Canada's provacatuers yet? Apparently in both Canada and US are people inserted into certain groups to actually start trouble so that it appears they are peace protesters when they are not. I watched a Canadian leader point them out and their faces were covered just like in this video. The true peaceful protestors would not behave like this. Another vid on youtube shows another inserted troublemaker the peace activists did not know that "showed up out of nowhere". Thats done

[jackbelias]

That tired old rant? Every time a protester gets violent you leftists claim its all done by CIA agents or some other crazy BS excuse. The majority of the violent little traitors are teens and early twenties activists. Far too young to be federal agents.

Just admit it, there are violent leftists. Anarchists are honest about being violent, they brag about attacking veterans,attacking police, and causing property damage. Are they all CIA agents from Mars too?

[DixieComic]

Oh, they are very tolerant...as long as you share their point of view. A lot of them don't care what they say as long as they are heard. They change causes as fast as normal people change socks. The military is just something to attack and make them feel important.

Most of them are a bunch of over-priviledged brats from middle class backgrounds who are just concerned with themselves and whatever crap they are parroting this week.

[jackbelias]

I dont even call them middle class, trust fund brat is more like it. They commit acts of violence, do thousands of dollars in property damage, and support the enemy. They pat themselves on the back for being brave revolutionaries, while relying on moms money to keep from paying any legal price. Working class kids would be in jail for more than a decade for throwing petrol bombs, attacking police with sticks, mob assaulting disabled vets, etc...

[slipknotfan591]

hahahaa

GET OUTTA HERE!

FUCK YOU

yeah show those protesters whos boss

[slipknotfan591]

im not sure we should call them liberals.

Something else. because theyre poisoned with hate.

[slipknotfan591]

And they say they go to peace rallies?

They should rot in hell. I'm sorry but they should.

Fucking douchers.

[DrSarsfield]

i have no fucking respect for anti war protesters cuz their a fucking commie group. how could some one say things to a soldier that gave up walking, for this country. SCREW CODE PINK

[InfidelOnTheGo]

A mob of 50 assault a wounded Vet by himself and still don't lay a finger on him? Sounds like liberals sucking at what they do as usual. HA HA HAHA Fuck off you liberal pussies.

[12patriot12]

The kids in the first video seem more like trouble makers than anti-war protesters. I do not feel as though they are representative of the anti-war movement. I encorage people in the anti-war movement not to stick up for the troublemakers, but purge them.

[clemtoe]

how is it that you found them to be unrepresentative?

[12patriot12]

Seventy something percent of the American people are against the war. Including progressives, moderates, and conservatives. Unless you are trying to tell meseventy something percent of America is progressive, and behave like these guys did?

[clemtoe]

conservatives and moderates do not participate in antiwar marches. amongst the progressives who do, it's certainly not isolated behavior.

[12patriot12]

What makes you think moderates and conservatives do not participate in antiwar marches? I think people from all over the political spectrum participate. Some more than others. I also stated I do not believe those people are representative of the anti-war MOVEMENT.

[clemtoe]

most of the 70% wouldn't consider themselves part of a movement. but still, i didn't make a claim about any movement, so, i don't know what you're reacting to.

[12patriot12]

I know, most of the 70% are the silent majority. The neo-cons strategy of calling people un-American and un-patriotic had a negative effect. As more people started questionning this war, and the Bush administration, they were insulting more and more people. Like regular old moderates and conservatives. Angering them.

[clemtoe]

when has the bush administration ever called anyone "un-american or un-patriotic"?

seems like more of a democrat thing...

"That is so un-American. The founding fathers put down their plows and took up muskets to combat views like that." -- chuck schumer

"Ann Coulter's comments are despicable and un-American." -- DNC spokesperson Karen Finney

"they certainly did try to exploit that staging. And it was deeply un-American." --paul krugman

etc.

[12patriot12]

I did not say the Bush administration. I said neo-cons. As in the propaganda machine.

[clemtoe]

oh. i see. the center for american progress is part of the "neocon" "propaganda machine"?

"...is as un-American today as it was forty years ago, yet that seems to be the real rationale behind the legislation (requiring proof of identity at polling places)."

" Allowing some people to enjoy marriage but not others is inherently un-American..."

"what I hear from the administration is not hope, but fear. And it is something that is un-American." --senator clinton speaking at cap

[12patriot12]

I did not say that people from all over the political spectrum do not use those phrases. It is HOW they use them. All of your "examples" attack an idea, not a person directly. The right-wing propaganda machine has attacked average Americans with genuine concerns through a system of ritual defamation.

[clemtoe]

you've asserted a meaningless diatinction. individuals are identified with the ideas they espouse. i don't recognize the difference between saying 'joe blow is un-american because he is a republican" and saying "republicanism is unamerican". nor can i really think of a sence in which obliquely smearing a group by reference to its common ideals is more defensable than targetting individuals.

[12patriot12]

You side stepped the issue of ritual defamation.

[clemtoe]

i'm afraid i'm not sure what "ritual defamation" means. is there a septre and a stone altar involved?

[12patriot12]

You may want to search the web for: The Practice Of Ritual Defamation by Laird Wilcox, 1990. In order to familiarize yourself with the short essay.

[clemtoe]

i see now. i've read laird wilcox's definition of the term. he notes that, "An interesting aspect of ritual defamation as a practice is its universality. It may, for example, be used... by rightists against leftists or by leftists against rightists..."

however, reading his bulleted definition, it almost seems to be adopted as a strucural planning document by progressive outfits like media matters and sourcewatch.

[clemtoe]

an example might be the smear of bill bennet as a "racist". or, to reference the video above, the smearing of col. sparling as a "liar" and a "nazi".

[12patriot12]

You are correct, it can be used universally. When Newt Gingrich laid out the plan for right-wingers to always reffer to progressives as liberals, or traitors, or un-American, etc. He set up the systematic use of ritual defamation by the right-wing propaganda machine. When talking points are distributed and adhered to, systematically, that is a propaganda machine. The left has a propaganda machine as well.

[clemtoe]

he did not exhort people to call them "traitors" or "unamerican". one might say that the tendency to falsely identify republicans as prone to throwing the "t" word around is itself a program of "ritual defamation".

he did say to always refer to them as "liberals". how is that defamatory?

[12patriot12]

He had a whole list of words to use, including the ones I mentioned. Please do not re-write history.

[clemtoe]

you may cite that if you like.

so, if i identify you as a commenter at youtube, or someone with the number 12 in his user name, i'm "defaming" you?

[12patriot12]

I think there are variations as to what the word "liberal" means to people. My idea of a liberal is someone like the founding fathers, like George Washington. People who believed in liberty, equality and brotherhood. I believe most Americans believe in Constitutional values. Communism, socialism, and fascism in extremes go against those values.

[clemtoe]

well, with that i'd certainly agree. it was only in the first ten years of the 20th century that "liberal" was adopted by progressives with a socialist tendency. i appreciate that libertarians are trying to claim it for themselves now, though i'm not sure is any more historicly correct. there were two different liberalisms at the founding.

[clemtoe]

it's also worth pointing out that when 70% believed that saddam was responsible for 9-11 (not, as it is often falsy asserted, on the basis of anything the bush administration said), war opponents did not take this tilt in public opinion to be evidence of wisdom or a sound basis for policy.

in fact, there's a lot of "drop a nuke already" sentiment comprising this figure you're attributing to a mass reallignment with the "peace" movement.

[clemtoe]

this "peace" movement, it should be noted, is led by organizations such as "international answer", which is a project of the international action center, which in turn is the activist wing of the pro-soviet workers world party. "answer" was founded by saddam hussein's attorney, ramsey clark, in the days following the 9-11 attack to pre-empt suppor5t for an invasion of afghanistan, though the wwp officially supported the soviet invasion of afghanistan.

[tim6class]

I really didn't get the point of this one. I don't think the footage showed anything substantive other than some naturally heated exchanges between opposing sides.

[clemtoe]

a progressive shouts "you're just mad because you can't walk, faggot!" at a veteran who left his leg in iraq.

[Bill1275w]

Those brothers are pissed. The "vet" probably said something racist. What do you expect from someone who supports a racist war? He thinks the Iraqis can't control themselves because they're not pure white aryans. I'd beat him down too if he shouted some Nazi crap.

[TheAmericanManifesto]

You almost know what you're talking about Bill1275w. I mean, at least you're trying. Don't stop now, no matter how many people call you "retarded" just tell them you're "special". One day, they will find a way to restore you to your full brain capacity, but untill then, enjoy making "special" comments on youtube.

[Bill1275w]

I'd spit on him too. I'm with Iraq Vets Against the War. You can't debate fascist nazis. You have to F(*ck them up!!!

[clemtoe]

i'm with marxist-lenninists for a u.s. victory yadda yadda. jesse macbeth was our tacoma chapter spokesman too. what a coinkydink!

[Bill1275w]

HUH?

[clemtoe]

actually, i'm glad there isn't a draft precisely for fear of having excrement like the defeat demonstrators in the military. liberals wish there were a draft so there'd be enlisted who can be convinced to mutiny and the civilian population can be scared with the possibility of being selected.

[StoogeWatcher]

Why do leftist "peace rallies" always seem to be violent?

[clemtoe]

at 1:23 the protesters are seen in the distance to the right of the man in the black jacket as the camera pans from the counter-protesters. this is obscured by the text in my cut, but clearly visible in "vietnam redux."

[clemtoe]

and for the tenth time: "i don't see any spit" is a red herring. no one ever said, on this video or any other, that the spit incident was caught on tape.

[clemtoe]

a) the spitting incident was witnessed by new york times reporter, sarah abruzzese.

b) the who?

[RealFreePeople]

A) I saw no spitting.

B) The shots of the brothas after the rally are in a completly different place than the others. Looks like they were just hangin. Were you stalkin these men the rest of the day?

[RealFreePeople]

A) Didn't see any Spit.

B) You abuse some random footage of the balack dudes the last shoit of them is clearly nowhere near the others. Completely different area.

C) Black Block Anarchists are not "Progressives".

[clemtoe]

a) the spitting incident was witnessed by new york times reporter, sarah abruzzese.

b) they are are shown gesturing at the counter-protesters, whom they are about 70 yards from. this is clear in the uninterrupted footage titled "vietnam redux".

c) where does that ancient skinhead fall into the classification?