HORRIBLE FOOTWORK THIS GUY IS NOT A FUCKING BOXER. IF THE GUY IS BEING A SLIPPERY FISH U CUT HIM OFF THERE IS LIMITED ROOM TO MANUVER. THE SUPPOSED BOXER DOES NOT EVEN USE HIS FUCKING HIPS WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF BOXER IS THIS? HES FLAT FOOTED TOO? WAT THE FUCK? ok my spasm is over but seriously I can list flaws for days and I truely wish one day I get the chance to spar a real aikido master.
@Multi80sman LOL, actually most of what we did here sucked, it was totally unrehearsed and it showed, but was fun...hey, thanks for having my back anyway!
This is pathetic, they aren't even trying to punch and hardly any body shots are being thrown. The guys can move their heads but moving their bodies is a whole different thing.
they both lose balance way too often,the guy who's deffending turns his back at his opponent quite often which is fatal in a real fight,the offender cannot punch at all,starts his blows from chest-hight which is ridicoulus,their feet movements are neither boxing nor aikido,crossing their legs too much......clown.
think you should try and ceep your posture better, im sure you dont bend the body like that while doing aikido .... otherwise - in my oppinion - its qountereffective, to train in one way while doing aikido, and in an other way while trying to avoind strikes. ...
The boxing looks ridiculous. I don´t have boxing traing myselve, but I am sure I could give more credible attacks. Only jabs without any follow up? Wth?
@Derukugi2 You'd be surprised as hell to see what a "real" fight looks like. I'm talking brawl, street, random fight, the stuff people try to pull is kinda funny.
Why don't you put something up of yours, since you're soooo much better. Or! Better yet, you can come play @ Vassar College, BU, or any number of other places we'll be at in the near future!
@Derukugi2 The boxing was not intended to do damage, this is not a boxing match, this is a suggested drill to just to show the "defender" what possible angles of taisabaki may be open therefore single punches with no combos were being used. It is not an example of real boxing, just a small experiment in training. Thank for your comments.
@Derukugi2 He throws crosses and hooks, albeit, they aren't a competent boxer's crosses and or hooks, but neither of these guys claimed to be what is assumed by most people who respond to this video. Please take your own advice.
These videos are fantastic guys. This is the kind of Aikido training I've been looking for. I feel like showing the MA world these videos. Any art can be useful, it's all about the attitude and mindset. Thanks again guys, I hope to see more videos in the future!
@Ronnock And thanks to you. This was really early on our search for functional aikido application and thus has many errors in principles, we keep utilizing input from Shishida and Satou shihans of the Shidokan to refine our understanding of principles. Hopefully we can pass this on to others to experiment with. Gambatte!
Look again and check how often he crosses. Basically, he is just jabbing, like a one-armed wonder.
Look, I am interested in a silly Youtube pissing contest, and what these guys do what they do, but they really shouldn´t claim it has anything to do with boxing.
@Derukugi2 You again presume that these guys are "boxers" just because there's "boxing" in the title. You could "box" someone without being a "boxer." It might not look like boxing, but boxing is technically defined as fist-combat, not specifically "Western Boxing."
No, I am not presuming anything. I was just commenting on what I saw. This repeated jabbing with one hand can maybe called "fist stabbing", but not "boxing", or "fist combat".
I am sure any exercise is good, but they don´t do what they claim they are doing.
@Derukugi2 The name was a joke, just aplay on what we were doing. No, neither one of us is a boxer, please see that i have stated this ad nauseum. the experiment/drill/exercise was done at a low level of intensity due to safety and training concerns. TO ALL BOXERS: I APOLOGIZE FOR EVER USING THE APPELATION "BOXING". Sheesh, lol.
You guys may be on to something. It may take a few years, but if you keep doing real, live sparring, you might come up with your own style of aikido that's all about real fighting.
Hate to be the spammer but,Youtube search "gracie jiu jitsu+clinch" and let Rorion teach you how to close the distance and clinch. The arms locks and throws you use are nice, ya just need to clinch up, in order to be safe from punches.
@alma360Yo, thanks for the comments, and what you said was not spam but constructive criticism, your atti is much appreciated. BTW: my style will always be Tomikiryu because Tomiki Kenji encouraged his students to work towards understanding functional aikido/judo/jutsu principles, not robotic imitation of techniques and the instructor's look. Just wanted to plug the man for the MA genius he was, on a par with Kano.
Good shit. More aikidoka need to do something like this. (The technique of the boxer can be questioned, but really the fact that you're doing a drill like this at all is to be commended.)
dude if this was a real oppenent, non the less a real boxer or martialartist, he would destroy that guy, you never turn ur back t the dude unless ur sences ur so intence u can just sence attacks, but i highly dought this guy can.
but he moves like water and is pretty impressive with his moves
finally after months of watching numerous videos i found this, i wish my Aikido school would teach against punches like that instead of shomenuchi and munetsuki ect. On the street most people i guess would fight like a boxer, so for Aikido this would be great as it steps more towards realism. If a martial art is not practiced in a modern day realistic way then your maybe your just training for exercise. We need to see more like this, i also think atemi (strikes) should always be taught in Aikido
A fight is dynamic so we must be dynamic and not limit anything. Your attacker whoever that may be out there, wants to hurt you, how much they want to hurt you is up to them, maybe you live somewhere where there are roses and daisies everywhere where crime and murder avoidable, this isnt for you, flower arranging would best suit you. IMO my attacker wants to either, make me unconscious, kill me, or hurt me really badly, in that kind of situation
gentle Aikido would have to go out the window, my Ikkyo would HAVE to be a broken arm, when their on the floor im not going to immobilise them slowly im gonna dislocate their arm and stamp them unconsious. My point? Aikido schools MUST teach these other fundamentals for Aikido to progress with the times, while keeping the traditional teaching close by.
Wow, thanks, I agree with you 100%. What you se here is flawed and in need to development (which continues though we haven't posted any new videos in a quite a while) but it is the start of a good practice modality. Hope you can find a partner to try this with.
It might be flawed but you're mind is definetly on the right track. I know Aikido is meant to be a softer martial art, but still it wasnt designed for use 'dancing' in clubs. It was designed to defend yourself against an attacker. The only training that is worth anything is as close to the real thing as you can get without injuring your training partner because in the real world Aikido wont be used against a compliant person...........
But obviously if you didnt do this but trained for 4+ years to black belt, then it would have the same kind of effect, but still at that level, i'd stil like to perfect my techniques against something 'REAL WORLD'.
Soft is a relative term, aikido done correctly is lethal as all jujitsu. The concept of training against resistance is a basic to Tomiki Aikido. You ought to check it out, though few Tomiki schools train this way.
If you have something relevant to share, please do, but keep the foul mouth to a minimum. Threats aren't acceptable here. You have the high honor of being the first person I have blocked on this thread.
@skinnymonkey As an aikidoka i would like to comment.In our dojo we 2 have practiced similarly lke u did with boxing, kicks, grab etc kindda attack.I think u need to stand a little bit nearer & raise up yr hand high to cover yr face if u're with a boxer.By the time he hit a punch, u have to immediately irimi(enter) & try to get as close as u can & give him a little bit of 'chin strike' fr below, then u grab his neck & arm & do tenchinage.I've tried it so many time & it works!
Wow Joel36311 did I push a button with the truth? hmmmm "pompous faggot" wow you are really into the homoerotic real big. I bet I know what's bothering you, I bet your Mother did find out after you came out to us on youtube, that coupled with a small penis and a lack of real life skills has got your panties in a bunch poor little one, did we forget to take out ritalin or did you lose your blanky?
Joel36311 So who cares that you know about your own kind, its good that you told us though, so how long have you been practicing the homosexual lifestyle? I am sure everyone here is happy you came out the way you did, there is nothing wrong with being gay either but you could have been more up front with the reason why you are opposed to this training post. 10,000 says your mother does not know either.
if you really want to avoid punches correctly you have to practice with someone that knows how to do it... use punches is not only use your arm... it's a tecnique as the same as all the others tecniques.. didn't like it..
Oh Bob in a very respectful way you guys should try to sparr a little with globes just boxing to learn how to avoid punches with minimal moovement it really works on getting you more relaxed and your flow will get cleaner good luck
Thanks, respect shown, appreciated and returned. I like your approach as you are correct, all styles have something to offer and the true way is being able to take what works for you and discarding the rest. I am not a boxer, but have sparred in different settings and ways since the 60s. Judo, shoreikan, chuan fa, kenpo, TKD, aikido, GJJ, and now some hapkido, too. And this was not representative of my total striking/fighting abilities, this was restrained and limited. peace to you!
continued, one of the first cool presents that I recieved when I was a kid was two pairs of boxing gloves and some teaching from my dad who used to compete in golden globes it has been the basic most inportant thing that I have used to defend my self up to a point then jumped to hapkido for a little while aikido,jujutsu,muy thay and bjj they all have something to offer if one dont lock himself in a into thinking that one martial art covers all senarios. a balanced menu its beautifull thing!!!
Ok bob I can say that some technics in aikido do work I know for a fact that a nikyo and I hope I spelled it right really works if some one grabs your neck or shirt close to the neck this is one of those cases where a technique relates to a few diferent martial arts HAPKIDO TRADITIONAL JUJUTSU AIKIDO AND A FEW OTHERS but as time has gone by I have seen that all martial arts have something to ofer in competition or street its up to the individual to decide what he needs, cotinued...
Have you to guys ever been in a real fight? The real world does not work like this. But that would be not the akido way right. Or better yet you couldn't deal with the fact that all that time and energy went into a ritualized scam oh dont forget money.
Ever had someone bite your thumb all the way to the bone on one side and through your thumbnail on the other? Ever had old style analog telephones and fire extinguishers thrown at you as people attacked you? Ever had someone grab a hold of your hair with one hand while punching you in the face with the other and not be able to hit the person back or face being arrested by state troopers and be put in jail? Yes, I've been in real fights. And jujitsu works. BTW aikido=jujitsu
Bob you can call it rules or parameters of how far you can go in practice before the price is just too much for what you gain but very often must people stop way before their pain and courage treshold and believe it or not I have my nut sack squezed while grappling and was able to choke the guy out who knows? mabe the pain helped me to squeze the choke a little harder or I was just lucky that day but I believe that the key is that I have been put in that kind of pain before
So the point is how real can you make your training, how do you cope with the fact that it is not a partner attacking, its real person with intent to harm. See, I've spent the last thirty years working with folks who have limited IQs and or and mental health issues and on antipsychotic drugs & no concern for other peoples bodies. So yep, I've been in some shit, and had to NOT hurt the person or face legal consequences. So "no rules" is real life agreed, and hurting folks is not always an option
Bob there is a big diference on having your wrist,elbow,showlder or whatever locked and twisted in any way and having the luxury of tapping out and having someone trowing punches and kicks all out with no gloves what so ever how do you tap for that? how do you tap for a slam do you hold enoff to try to fight of a choke or a crank or keep piosed while you are in a muy thay clinch while someone is trying reset your nugget with knees if you can twist his pecker off at that moment you are the man!!
Ok Bob some of what you say is very true, I am a military vet and I have seen the diference of training with out fear and I have also seen how aware fear makes you when is under control I trained in the days of lazer tag and no fear! every one was a super trupper, then we did paint ball with just a shirt helment and gogles and those balls they really sting and put some nice bruises on you but you dont die, you try to get as real as posible because when reality knocks you will be more controled
Funny, "no style" never made sense to me. seems to me you've got to have a base system, style, art, skill set, what have you from where to start. If from that point on you want to say you have no style, well great. But it seems everyone always has a point they started from. With me it was judo in 1968 and i still identify strongly with it's principles.
At any rate, happy hunting to you as well my styleless (style free??) martial arts colleague.
nolipse all you have to do is go like so many others and step your self in to any mma school and ask to sparr with any guy whos been there for a couple of months like I did years ago and if you are not convinced that there is a lot more to defending your self than practicing without real sparring then you are a magician of the martial arts but if you want to try with me come to TX rite me a note and you migth beat me but it will not be with just aikido
I never said I solely use Aikido, never have never will. I have trained at and taught at MMA schools. I don't just tote a walking stick and never use it, don't worry. I also know for as light as I am (6'2" @165) I can take down big and small. I also know that this was an orange belt sparring with a 5th dan who was being nice. Yes their tech is off, but show me other aikidoka doing something even close. Aikido does work, but not solo, nothing does.
Define real sparring...can I bite you? can i stick my fingers in your eyes, pull them from their sockets and crush them like grapes? can i rip off your ear, break your fingers, tear your groin sack open and squeeze and twist your pecker till it teras and comes off your body?? No one spars for real except in war, and then it's leagalized murder, MMA has rules. So it's not real sparring either, it's one more limited game. Same as we all play. test yourself every way you can, but we all have rules
Well, I saw your stuff, not bad at all, looks like typical street apps of JKD or whatever you base style is. thanks for your comments, they are accurate based on what you are seeing. As my overly enthusiastic and young friend likes to point out what we did here is crap, just a practice round and should be removed as it is a little embarrasing to be honest. Now to say all aikido is crap is like saying all JKD practice is superp. Its more about the fight in the dog than the dog in the fight.
its not crap,just 2 guys who never sparred realistically before,like 99% of aikidoka.The most obvious and dangerous mistake ye are making is not clinching off his strikes,grappling doesnt work without the clinch and aikido is grappling.Oh yeah ,ye need to guard your head and hunch forward as you move round,yer way too upright.If i were you Id leave the vid up as a mark of how much better youll get in the future
Lol, grammar was the word you were "grasping" for there bub, not diction... but we'll leave that for another time.
And what greater debate? You've never seen their real skill, nor mine. This video was something we threw together on a whim while working with some ideas. IMO it needs to be taken down and replaced with something that shows the concept more.
Also, by the gut on you, I'm guessing you could use a few reps with that shovel yourself. If you're ever on this side of the pond, visit
This is a second video on youtube with the real aikido application. Well, this proves that some Aikido stuff might possibly be used against an untrained person on a street fight.
However, the guys must have been practicing Aikido for at least 7-8 years to achieve this results. A 2 year boxer would be glad to participate in this sparring.
i could beat the crap out of both of them, literally. i box and thai box and you tried to avoid my punches like that and you'd be on the floor pretty sharpish
anyone who'd not keep their hands up and turn away from an opponent like that. idiot.
if you want to be shown how wrong you are go to your local boxing gym and say i bet you cant hit me in a ring. you'll probably find a lot of people willing and able to prove you very wrong.
these fucking idiots cant fight worth a shit and that guy aint no boxer and if he knew how to box he would not throw them weak ass punches like that...get fuckin real
In real life these moves work without a doubt. I have either beaten or seen Fedor, Andeson, Lyoto, and GSP defeated using these very techniques. I promise that Aikido will begin to take over MMA just like Lyoto is doing with Karate. Muay Thai and Jujitsu are becoming obsolete.
Muay thai and jujitsu becoming absolete? lol plz. Aikido will never take over mma. Watch Bas Ruttan Aikido where he takes about aikido in mma. Bas has fighted a Aikido master before and exploded his kidneys lol true story!
Aikido guy should try moving with THE SAME SPEED as the boxer. 50% on 50%, 75% on 75% an so on. But in the video he moves to fast and the attacker much slower
I'm glad you guys had fun... This is very interesting, afterall. Please keep it to yourselves, though, it may not work as smooth as it would seem in real fights :D
Just as I thought that Aikido couldn't get any funnier, I see this! It's absolutely hilarious. Can I have a go at punching one of these guys in the head?
I'm free in August AikidoBob. How do I find you? It will make a nice little video for YouTube. If you're on the East Coast I could pop over even earlier..
No Aikido practitioner has ever made a video for YouTube versus a real, live opponent. A little wager would add some spice.
To Aikidobob: This is great! Now I can can see the effectiveness of Aikido. I am so glad you are confident in your Aikido skills. Now I will have proof Aikido is effective in a real situation, just like you said. An Exhibition match +++Aikidobob VS. Gorillaonabike+++.
Mr AikidoBob, you made me smile. I'm also an idiot from way back when and have the scars to prove it... :)
Also, nolispe, I appreciate your offer and like the idea. 'Friendly fun' for me would be something along the lines of a filmed exhibition match. As always, I believe a wager would be good to add some spice.
As you have friends over this side of the pond, I would be delighted if they would take up the challenge on your behalf.
GB, Glad I could make you smile, great attitude! Nolipse is my student/son, BTW, and always eager to swallow his teeth. :-) Youth! Scars are good, mine include fused vertebra, therefore I have to be careful how I play anymore. But if you are in the midwest US this summer we could meet and have some good exhibition fun, I'll let you beat on the boy, good prep for our tourney in Japan come Sept. Let's see, in England, Marco might want to play, he lives in the north I think, where are you? Cheers!
Aside from missing teeth, broken bones, concussion, metal plates / screws and black eyes, the most bizarre injury to date is a black ear (I didn't know it was possible). Those things really go black! Guess I'll have to put any thoughts of a modelling career on hold.
I'm in the South. However, England is very small and I would be delighted to drive up to Marco to do aikido vs gorillaonabike. How do I get to spar with Mr Marco?
Yikes, the dreaded black ear...just how does that happen? Is it like a cauliflower ear only it changes color, too? Yep, there goes the modelling career. :-) Not sure, let me see how I can get ahold of Mr. Marco Crispini and see if he is interested in this opportunity! He does some MMA stuff, too so maybe he will be...just a guess. If not then we will have to be a poor substitute for you to try your skills with.
I think I have finally figured out what Akido means!!! When you fight choose someone who is slow, cant punch kick or has any fighting experience. You can Win AKIDO the mental martial art.
Did not mean to offend anyone, just a joke. I can tell by your name you are serious about aikido. As far as I can tell the Aikido fighter would have to be naturally very very very fast. I think Aikido would be limited to only a few people in the whole world, which is the case in most martial arts. Can you post videos of you using Aikido in a nonchreographed fight? that would be proof of effectiveness. I need you to convince me Aikido is effective, my mind is open. By the way props to these guys.
Jokes don't come across well in this type of setting, thanks. Did you watch any of the other vids we posted? We increased the intensity, speed of the attacks, etc. Not full on fighting (no kicks, knees, elbows for instance), just concentrated on fist strikes. Aikido is as relatively effective as is any MA, all have their limitations. We haven't posted in a while, maybe we will show more free style, see if we can convince you of aikido's effectiveness, thanks for your comments.
in my experience, the opposite is true about needing to be fast.
the movement principles in aikido are about moving in the right way in the right position, sometimes a few inches only.
for combat examples of these principles you can look to daito ryu aikijiujitsu (jiu jitsu). those techniques are designed to kill by any means, whereas aikdio is about the perfection of the basic principles. based on aiki techniques of advanced jiu jitsu.
And that is why I disagree with your comment that the aikidoka needs to be very fast, I think he needs to be very prompt in his movement to be effective. It's not about speed of technique per say, it is about the timing being right so that the small motion has big (significant) results. yes, very hard to do in unscripted or freestyle or whatever name you want, sitiuations. But if it was easy to learn and do, would it worth doing???? As self defense, yes, but not for personal growth experience.
I think this video and the tanto randori one are great.
you rarely see aikido or jiu jitsu practicioners realy explore and test their techniques like this.
real interesting to watch.
I practice daito ryu aikijiujitsu myself, and we allwas face the question of what if the opponent moves this way, or that way, etc, and how to realysticly explore this.
I think these are great examples, and all these negative commenters have no clue.
What I mean is that the ungloved fighter looks like he is going more for an MMA or Bjj style clinch in stead of blending with Uki's attack. I am a newb to aikido. But I do have some years in wing chun and karate. So I know striking a bit too.
I agree, I will in most cases close, engage contact and then apply whatever I can get. The deal as I see is that under combat conditions most grappling styles (as aikido is) end up looking the same, no matter what end technique you are trying to apply. The ability to flow/blend is much more difficult under stress...however I will comment that becasues of this training I am working more on how to blend or flow with this kind of attack
He (wow, there are two of them, which one you talking about Hans?) can box, and would probably generally kick your butt, try a more constructive comment next time.
Ah, once again your opinion shows your restricted focus on what is aikido. This particular goon thinks you need to open your mind. Apparently you are one of the kokyu aikidoka instead of the aiki aikidoka...to each their own.
Mischac and Aikibob is right! The octagon is a great opportunity to pit skill against skill, maybe art against art. But the octagon is not everything in life. :)
To the critics: it's a drill, get over it. Do these guys look young enough to be fighting in the octagon? Keep in mind that in your hypothetical "real fights," one of the best possible strategies is to avoid contact.
Next have the boxer fi you call it that throw legs kicks with the hands. lets say a guy throws a left jab with a right low kick which is a very basic thai combo and the guy dodging moves goes to his left basically right into the leg kick I bet you dont dance around anymore and wish you just would have spent your time learning to fight not dancing around contact
So mister 37, Personally I love when the average joe thai boxer throws that combo, cause I do move into it, I catch his leg, blocking across my head I tie up sweep and land my knee in his stomach. There is an answer for everything, and yeah they need to take this vid down cause Jeff had been training for... 3 months at that point... and danced like a little girl. Show us your moves and then you can tell us to shove it, else wise, have a good day
This is interesting to watch from an Aikidoka point of view. I am cross training in Kali and Kali is an interesting art because not only does it have a very old history, it is still constantly evolving and various styles of kali incorporate more modern techniques. I can still see aikido like openings whenever I am in Kali practice.
The round 3 practice was fascinating to watch. Bob is definitely an experienced Aikidoka as you can see when he tries executing aikido techniques at the end.
Your technique may have felt lousy but do you think you could have done better if the exact same situation presented itself?
I have not seen many people do this kind of thing in respectful way which is why I enjoyed it. There are too many videos out there doing very poor comparisons with no real purpose. I know my aikido training has come in really useful during my kali training. It has several joint lock techniques I was able to understand better.
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Do I think I could better in the real thing? Hopefully! Though lots of folks here seem to think I'd get "fucked up" as the last commentator noted. LOL!!
This is just a training. During training it is a good idea to start with a moderate speed and speed up when you gain more experience.. The other problem is that in aikido they don't really learn to punch.
That "guy in the white" is a 5th Dan, with the greatest respect for Aikido. They are doing this as an experiment, not really anything serious. Show us your videos if you are such an expert.
Thanks, this was real basic, it's gotten better. Floor is two layers of foam (wrestling mat type, softer under, denser one on top for better purchase) about three inches thick covered with a cheap tarp you get at hardware stores.
Very interesting stuff you guys are up to here. I've got to tell ya I was skeptical in the beginning but when you guys started going for techniques it really captured my attention. From a judo standpoint there are some real neat throws going on. I especially like the one starting at about 6:40. Also, what is the floor made out of?
I've been doing this sort of training for 2 years as well. The feedack I would give is that tori needs to stop entering and rotating so much, when it is unecessary. Also if you are keeping your hands low, then you are inviting attacks to the head, therefore you must be prepared to defend it when the attack comes. I personally don't like the hop skippy thing of most aikido schools, i like to go from stillness to 100%.
Skipping around with the boxer/karateka, tends to sync with their rhythm, which is bad for you. Also, uke, while trying his best, needs to be more intent and determined to drive the hit home. This means a committed attack, but a balanced one. With true intent (you havegloves on after all) your body movements tend to work better.
Good points, well stated. This was our first attempt at this drill which is why we were also very tenatative with our strikes. It's hard not to get into rythm with your attacker (skipping, bouncing, etc.) a point made by more than one akidoka giving criticism. Thanks for your input, hope you viewed the other vids as well. Gambatte!
BIG UPS for trying to use a "traditional" martial art and apply it to more realistic situations!! You would be more likely to face someone with boxing training on the streets, as opposed to another martial artist trained excusively in YOUR OWN art. (There are a LOT more Boxing clubs than dojos out there! Check if ya don't believe me) And adding a non-complient element makes it that much better. Now on to improving, perfecting, and implementing. Good job!!!! :-)
Thanks, that is the whole point to this exercise: find your box and get the F out of it!! Stretch and challenge yourself!!!! And as you said on to getting better through practice and understanding. Thanks, gambatte!!!
The foot work is absolutely TERRIBLE! In my years of training in martial art especially in Yoshikan Aikido I never seen such horrible footwork in my life...lord have mercy. In my dojo I teach "correct" side stepping. The feet is where you gain strength, breathing you gain power and in timing you develope speed. Take notes!
Hai, sensei! Domo arigato, notes will be taken and handed out to all involved. However, if you'd be so kind, please video your self doing this same type of training and post it showing how you correctly counter a non-cooperative, non-choreographed striker, not an "aiki-buddy" so to speak but someone really trying to rip your head off. We'd all be most appreciative of the instruction.
I agree totally! At least you are TRYING to use your techniques in a "more realistic" type of setting!! Big ups to you for at least trying to use what you've already learned, adjusting it to correct any flaws/mistakes, and perfecting upon it! Is that NOT the essence of any TRUE Martial "Philosophy"?!?!?! I think so!
You are not the only person who asked me for a video. problem is I teach military and blackwater instructors. The contract I have does not allow me produce any videos of "classified techniques". But I'm certifying a new western born martial art based on my Techniques called Iron-style. It more like combat science rather than an art. It make what you do 10 times better in real combat. Aikido is my passion, I would to fly out teach any school after my contract ends fall 09.
Very interesting, please let us know when your contract ends and you can travel and teach Iron-style openly. Until then we will just have to be patient, another good skill learned from Aikido.
really interesting. The concept of fighting a boxer is really interesting since boxers are fist fighters rather then using all limbs. On one hand there is an easier time expecting whats going to fly out (only two body parts to expect) on the other hand the boxer has a higher focus cause they dont have to worry about other body parts (no striking usually from aikido).
you guys are great but if you keep this up, you'll blow the secret. let everyone keep thinking aiki is bogus so i can make some money bouncing this winter!!!! so far all i've had to do was talk. that's a much better job then dodging punches. GOOD WORK, keep it up, most bikers don't know how to use U TUBE anyway.
I like the idea and respect to these guys for trying but in terms of footwork - boxing teaches that also and IMHO much better than what I've seen here.
FINALLY! This is the only video on YouTube where the opponent is actually fighting back in Aikido. Others may say its BS, but its exactly what Aikido needs. Its obviously not a real fight, but its excellent training. Please keep the vids coming.
HORRIBLE FOOTWORK THIS GUY IS NOT A FUCKING BOXER. IF THE GUY IS BEING A SLIPPERY FISH U CUT HIM OFF THERE IS LIMITED ROOM TO MANUVER. THE SUPPOSED BOXER DOES NOT EVEN USE HIS FUCKING HIPS WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF BOXER IS THIS? HES FLAT FOOTED TOO? WAT THE FUCK? ok my spasm is over but seriously I can list flaws for days and I truely wish one day I get the chance to spar a real aikido master.
JK420Y 2 months ago
@JK420Y Come to LA next summer we'll be there, it'd be fun. Love to see you last 3 minutes
nolispe 2 months ago
@JK420Y I agree, come to LA next summer.
AikidoBob 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
awe man i wish i could spare this guy, reeeeeeeaaalllly badly
dualnature69 3 months ago
@dualnature69 spare him what??
AikidoBob 3 months ago
hey anyone saying anything bad about my sensei then u guys suck because he is really good he is a 5th black belt so shut up
Multi80sman 3 months ago
@Multi80sman LOL, actually most of what we did here sucked, it was totally unrehearsed and it showed, but was fun...hey, thanks for having my back anyway!
AikidoBob 3 months ago in playlist AikidoBob's favorites
@AikidoBob no problem sensei
Multi80sman 3 months ago
This is pathetic, they aren't even trying to punch and hardly any body shots are being thrown. The guys can move their heads but moving their bodies is a whole different thing.
123UncleRuckus 4 months ago
they both lose balance way too often,the guy who's deffending turns his back at his opponent quite often which is fatal in a real fight,the offender cannot punch at all,starts his blows from chest-hight which is ridicoulus,their feet movements are neither boxing nor aikido,crossing their legs too much......clown.
Krisznyo 6 months ago
think you should try and ceep your posture better, im sure you dont bend the body like that while doing aikido .... otherwise - in my oppinion - its qountereffective, to train in one way while doing aikido, and in an other way while trying to avoind strikes. ...
just my 2 cents
patrik79a 1 year ago
DONT EVER TURN BACK TO UR OPPONENT!
tapkes000 1 year ago
@joel36311 Anyone can read an IP address... dumbass... If you mean locating them, I doubt you know the first thing about it.
MedomaiFox 1 year ago
The boxing looks ridiculous. I don´t have boxing traing myselve, but I am sure I could give more credible attacks. Only jabs without any follow up? Wth?
Derukugi2 1 year ago
@Derukugi2 You'd be surprised as hell to see what a "real" fight looks like. I'm talking brawl, street, random fight, the stuff people try to pull is kinda funny.
Why don't you put something up of yours, since you're soooo much better. Or! Better yet, you can come play @ Vassar College, BU, or any number of other places we'll be at in the near future!
nolispe 1 year ago
@nolispe
I did not say anything about "real fight". I simply said the boxing is ridiculous. The guy only runs around and jabs.
Don´t make up strawmen.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
@Derukugi2 The boxing was not intended to do damage, this is not a boxing match, this is a suggested drill to just to show the "defender" what possible angles of taisabaki may be open therefore single punches with no combos were being used. It is not an example of real boxing, just a small experiment in training. Thank for your comments.
AikidoBob 1 year ago
@Derukugi2 He throws crosses and hooks, albeit, they aren't a competent boxer's crosses and or hooks, but neither of these guys claimed to be what is assumed by most people who respond to this video. Please take your own advice.
Ronnock 1 year ago
These videos are fantastic guys. This is the kind of Aikido training I've been looking for. I feel like showing the MA world these videos. Any art can be useful, it's all about the attitude and mindset. Thanks again guys, I hope to see more videos in the future!
Ronnock 1 year ago
@Ronnock And thanks to you. This was really early on our search for functional aikido application and thus has many errors in principles, we keep utilizing input from Shishida and Satou shihans of the Shidokan to refine our understanding of principles. Hopefully we can pass this on to others to experiment with. Gambatte!
AikidoBob 1 year ago
@Ronnock
Look again and check how often he crosses. Basically, he is just jabbing, like a one-armed wonder.
Look, I am interested in a silly Youtube pissing contest, and what these guys do what they do, but they really shouldn´t claim it has anything to do with boxing.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
@Derukugi2 You again presume that these guys are "boxers" just because there's "boxing" in the title. You could "box" someone without being a "boxer." It might not look like boxing, but boxing is technically defined as fist-combat, not specifically "Western Boxing."
Ronnock 1 year ago
@Ronnock
No, I am not presuming anything. I was just commenting on what I saw. This repeated jabbing with one hand can maybe called "fist stabbing", but not "boxing", or "fist combat".
I am sure any exercise is good, but they don´t do what they claim they are doing.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
@Derukugi2 The name was a joke, just aplay on what we were doing. No, neither one of us is a boxer, please see that i have stated this ad nauseum. the experiment/drill/exercise was done at a low level of intensity due to safety and training concerns. TO ALL BOXERS: I APOLOGIZE FOR EVER USING THE APPELATION "BOXING". Sheesh, lol.
AikidoBob 1 year ago
You guys may be on to something. It may take a few years, but if you keep doing real, live sparring, you might come up with your own style of aikido that's all about real fighting.
Hate to be the spammer but,Youtube search "gracie jiu jitsu+clinch" and let Rorion teach you how to close the distance and clinch. The arms locks and throws you use are nice, ya just need to clinch up, in order to be safe from punches.
alma360 1 year ago
@alma360Yo, thanks for the comments, and what you said was not spam but constructive criticism, your atti is much appreciated. BTW: my style will always be Tomikiryu because Tomiki Kenji encouraged his students to work towards understanding functional aikido/judo/jutsu principles, not robotic imitation of techniques and the instructor's look. Just wanted to plug the man for the MA genius he was, on a par with Kano.
AikidoBob 1 year ago
esto es boxeo o es un chiste ???
esperoq sea la ultima por q si es boxeo.......me decepciono.....
thephnx69 1 year ago
Wow, nice drill.
KungFuKid1015 1 year ago
this is a joke right
gangsta287 1 year ago
Good shit. More aikidoka need to do something like this. (The technique of the boxer can be questioned, but really the fact that you're doing a drill like this at all is to be commended.)
ooogooman 1 year ago
neither man can really claim the title of boxer, agreed,please watch the other vids, I totally agree more aiki folks should practice like this
AikidoBob 1 year ago
this is petty cool thanks
strongestdude 1 year ago
much appreciated
AikidoBob 1 year ago
dude if this was a real oppenent, non the less a real boxer or martialartist, he would destroy that guy, you never turn ur back t the dude unless ur sences ur so intence u can just sence attacks, but i highly dought this guy can.
but he moves like water and is pretty impressive with his moves
Dookiebutt47 1 year ago
this is retarded. turning your back to an opponent? great idea...
vettloffah 2 years ago 2
Again, another guy who doesn't get that this isn't some demo on how to do things, it is a video showing two guys experimenting, and getting better.
Have a good turkey weekend
nolispe 2 years ago
finally after months of watching numerous videos i found this, i wish my Aikido school would teach against punches like that instead of shomenuchi and munetsuki ect. On the street most people i guess would fight like a boxer, so for Aikido this would be great as it steps more towards realism. If a martial art is not practiced in a modern day realistic way then your maybe your just training for exercise. We need to see more like this, i also think atemi (strikes) should always be taught in Aikido
ukmale164 2 years ago
A fight is dynamic so we must be dynamic and not limit anything. Your attacker whoever that may be out there, wants to hurt you, how much they want to hurt you is up to them, maybe you live somewhere where there are roses and daisies everywhere where crime and murder avoidable, this isnt for you, flower arranging would best suit you. IMO my attacker wants to either, make me unconscious, kill me, or hurt me really badly, in that kind of situation
ukmale164 2 years ago
gentle Aikido would have to go out the window, my Ikkyo would HAVE to be a broken arm, when their on the floor im not going to immobilise them slowly im gonna dislocate their arm and stamp them unconsious. My point? Aikido schools MUST teach these other fundamentals for Aikido to progress with the times, while keeping the traditional teaching close by.
ukmale164 2 years ago
Wow, thanks, I agree with you 100%. What you se here is flawed and in need to development (which continues though we haven't posted any new videos in a quite a while) but it is the start of a good practice modality. Hope you can find a partner to try this with.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
It might be flawed but you're mind is definetly on the right track. I know Aikido is meant to be a softer martial art, but still it wasnt designed for use 'dancing' in clubs. It was designed to defend yourself against an attacker. The only training that is worth anything is as close to the real thing as you can get without injuring your training partner because in the real world Aikido wont be used against a compliant person...........
ukmale164 2 years ago
But obviously if you didnt do this but trained for 4+ years to black belt, then it would have the same kind of effect, but still at that level, i'd stil like to perfect my techniques against something 'REAL WORLD'.
ukmale164 2 years ago
Soft is a relative term, aikido done correctly is lethal as all jujitsu. The concept of training against resistance is a basic to Tomiki Aikido. You ought to check it out, though few Tomiki schools train this way.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Huh?
nolispe 2 years ago
If you have something relevant to share, please do, but keep the foul mouth to a minimum. Threats aren't acceptable here. You have the high honor of being the first person I have blocked on this thread.
skinnymonkey 2 years ago
Lol, Jeff you're great. How are things?
nolispe 2 years ago
Good... just too busy! I need to get back into the swing of things. How are things in your neck of the woods?
skinnymonkey 2 years ago
@skinnymonkey As an aikidoka i would like to comment.In our dojo we 2 have practiced similarly lke u did with boxing, kicks, grab etc kindda attack.I think u need to stand a little bit nearer & raise up yr hand high to cover yr face if u're with a boxer.By the time he hit a punch, u have to immediately irimi(enter) & try to get as close as u can & give him a little bit of 'chin strike' fr below, then u grab his neck & arm & do tenchinage.I've tried it so many time & it works!
syimang 1 year ago
Go ahead and read my IP addi, and I'll take your bet, 1:00 minute huh?
I mean obviously, you're probably fairly skilled, and more than willing to travel to come face one of the the guys on here.
BTW, I'm in Boston as of right now, and really could use a good match... I spent the summer training and now there is nothing to do.
nolispe 2 years ago
Wow Joel36311 did I push a button with the truth? hmmmm "pompous faggot" wow you are really into the homoerotic real big. I bet I know what's bothering you, I bet your Mother did find out after you came out to us on youtube, that coupled with a small penis and a lack of real life skills has got your panties in a bunch poor little one, did we forget to take out ritalin or did you lose your blanky?
gcastil 2 years ago
I like this vid. A good way to practice. Of course it isn't "realistic" but they are not trying to kill each other either. Have to start somewhere.
rythar 2 years ago
this video is gay I guarantee I knock your ass out in under 1 min I got 10,000 on it if you feel brave ! try a real boxer / kickboxer/judoka
joel36311 2 years ago
Joel36311 So who cares that you know about your own kind, its good that you told us though, so how long have you been practicing the homosexual lifestyle? I am sure everyone here is happy you came out the way you did, there is nothing wrong with being gay either but you could have been more up front with the reason why you are opposed to this training post. 10,000 says your mother does not know either.
gcastil 2 years ago
u wil b exhaustd if u continue 2 do dat n finaly get punchd :o
Erae007 2 years ago
if you really want to avoid punches correctly you have to practice with someone that knows how to do it... use punches is not only use your arm... it's a tecnique as the same as all the others tecniques.. didn't like it..
roc84z3 2 years ago
Change sport, learn to play basjet... fighting is different ahahahah
digitalizzato 2 years ago
Oh Bob in a very respectful way you guys should try to sparr a little with globes just boxing to learn how to avoid punches with minimal moovement it really works on getting you more relaxed and your flow will get cleaner good luck
yagareta 2 years ago
Thanks, respect shown, appreciated and returned. I like your approach as you are correct, all styles have something to offer and the true way is being able to take what works for you and discarding the rest. I am not a boxer, but have sparred in different settings and ways since the 60s. Judo, shoreikan, chuan fa, kenpo, TKD, aikido, GJJ, and now some hapkido, too. And this was not representative of my total striking/fighting abilities, this was restrained and limited. peace to you!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
continued, one of the first cool presents that I recieved when I was a kid was two pairs of boxing gloves and some teaching from my dad who used to compete in golden globes it has been the basic most inportant thing that I have used to defend my self up to a point then jumped to hapkido for a little while aikido,jujutsu,muy thay and bjj they all have something to offer if one dont lock himself in a into thinking that one martial art covers all senarios. a balanced menu its beautifull thing!!!
yagareta 2 years ago
Ok bob I can say that some technics in aikido do work I know for a fact that a nikyo and I hope I spelled it right really works if some one grabs your neck or shirt close to the neck this is one of those cases where a technique relates to a few diferent martial arts HAPKIDO TRADITIONAL JUJUTSU AIKIDO AND A FEW OTHERS but as time has gone by I have seen that all martial arts have something to ofer in competition or street its up to the individual to decide what he needs, cotinued...
yagareta 2 years ago
Have you to guys ever been in a real fight? The real world does not work like this. But that would be not the akido way right. Or better yet you couldn't deal with the fact that all that time and energy went into a ritualized scam oh dont forget money.
path102 2 years ago
Ever had someone bite your thumb all the way to the bone on one side and through your thumbnail on the other? Ever had old style analog telephones and fire extinguishers thrown at you as people attacked you? Ever had someone grab a hold of your hair with one hand while punching you in the face with the other and not be able to hit the person back or face being arrested by state troopers and be put in jail? Yes, I've been in real fights. And jujitsu works. BTW aikido=jujitsu
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Bob you can call it rules or parameters of how far you can go in practice before the price is just too much for what you gain but very often must people stop way before their pain and courage treshold and believe it or not I have my nut sack squezed while grappling and was able to choke the guy out who knows? mabe the pain helped me to squeze the choke a little harder or I was just lucky that day but I believe that the key is that I have been put in that kind of pain before
yagareta 2 years ago
So the point is how real can you make your training, how do you cope with the fact that it is not a partner attacking, its real person with intent to harm. See, I've spent the last thirty years working with folks who have limited IQs and or and mental health issues and on antipsychotic drugs & no concern for other peoples bodies. So yep, I've been in some shit, and had to NOT hurt the person or face legal consequences. So "no rules" is real life agreed, and hurting folks is not always an option
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Bob there is a big diference on having your wrist,elbow,showlder or whatever locked and twisted in any way and having the luxury of tapping out and having someone trowing punches and kicks all out with no gloves what so ever how do you tap for that? how do you tap for a slam do you hold enoff to try to fight of a choke or a crank or keep piosed while you are in a muy thay clinch while someone is trying reset your nugget with knees if you can twist his pecker off at that moment you are the man!!
yagareta 2 years ago
Ok Bob some of what you say is very true, I am a military vet and I have seen the diference of training with out fear and I have also seen how aware fear makes you when is under control I trained in the days of lazer tag and no fear! every one was a super trupper, then we did paint ball with just a shirt helment and gogles and those balls they really sting and put some nice bruises on you but you dont die, you try to get as real as posible because when reality knocks you will be more controled
yagareta 2 years ago
Funny, "no style" never made sense to me. seems to me you've got to have a base system, style, art, skill set, what have you from where to start. If from that point on you want to say you have no style, well great. But it seems everyone always has a point they started from. With me it was judo in 1968 and i still identify strongly with it's principles.
At any rate, happy hunting to you as well my styleless (style free??) martial arts colleague.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
nolipse all you have to do is go like so many others and step your self in to any mma school and ask to sparr with any guy whos been there for a couple of months like I did years ago and if you are not convinced that there is a lot more to defending your self than practicing without real sparring then you are a magician of the martial arts but if you want to try with me come to TX rite me a note and you migth beat me but it will not be with just aikido
yagareta 2 years ago
I never said I solely use Aikido, never have never will. I have trained at and taught at MMA schools. I don't just tote a walking stick and never use it, don't worry. I also know for as light as I am (6'2" @165) I can take down big and small. I also know that this was an orange belt sparring with a 5th dan who was being nice. Yes their tech is off, but show me other aikidoka doing something even close. Aikido does work, but not solo, nothing does.
nolispe 2 years ago
Define real sparring...can I bite you? can i stick my fingers in your eyes, pull them from their sockets and crush them like grapes? can i rip off your ear, break your fingers, tear your groin sack open and squeeze and twist your pecker till it teras and comes off your body?? No one spars for real except in war, and then it's leagalized murder, MMA has rules. So it's not real sparring either, it's one more limited game. Same as we all play. test yourself every way you can, but we all have rules
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Well, I saw your stuff, not bad at all, looks like typical street apps of JKD or whatever you base style is. thanks for your comments, they are accurate based on what you are seeing. As my overly enthusiastic and young friend likes to point out what we did here is crap, just a practice round and should be removed as it is a little embarrasing to be honest. Now to say all aikido is crap is like saying all JKD practice is superp. Its more about the fight in the dog than the dog in the fight.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
its not crap,just 2 guys who never sparred realistically before,like 99% of aikidoka.The most obvious and dangerous mistake ye are making is not clinching off his strikes,grappling doesnt work without the clinch and aikido is grappling.Oh yeah ,ye need to guard your head and hunch forward as you move round,yer way too upright.If i were you Id leave the vid up as a mark of how much better youll get in the future
billysue2 2 years ago
Lol, grammar was the word you were "grasping" for there bub, not diction... but we'll leave that for another time.
And what greater debate? You've never seen their real skill, nor mine. This video was something we threw together on a whim while working with some ideas. IMO it needs to be taken down and replaced with something that shows the concept more.
Also, by the gut on you, I'm guessing you could use a few reps with that shovel yourself. If you're ever on this side of the pond, visit
nolispe 2 years ago
Ed1: the proper term is Aikidoka, not Aikidoist.
Ed2: We aren't your typical Aikido.
Ed3: Nice baseless statement on college students.
ED4: Great improper usage of semi-colons. I love when people prove themselves to be as ignorant as possible.
nolispe 2 years ago
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yagareta 2 years ago
This is a second video on youtube with the real aikido application. Well, this proves that some Aikido stuff might possibly be used against an untrained person on a street fight.
However, the guys must have been practicing Aikido for at least 7-8 years to achieve this results. A 2 year boxer would be glad to participate in this sparring.
ruwspbtolkunal 2 years ago
ridiculous.
i could beat the crap out of both of them, literally. i box and thai box and you tried to avoid my punches like that and you'd be on the floor pretty sharpish
anyone who'd not keep their hands up and turn away from an opponent like that. idiot.
if you want to be shown how wrong you are go to your local boxing gym and say i bet you cant hit me in a ring. you'll probably find a lot of people willing and able to prove you very wrong.
learn something practical and non delusional
mytimetravellingdog 2 years ago
Look, this is an early training video, they aren't that stupid.
And some of us do train with boxers, it is fun. Both sides learn, but the basics are the same in both styles, keep your hands up and good foot work.
Come play if you're so sure of yourself.
We aren't magician's, this is training dumb ass, stop being such a flame punk and add something positive not just the same old shit everyone spews
nolispe 2 years ago
couldnt have said it better...2 queers ..cant box either
laynick1 2 years ago
these fucking idiots cant fight worth a shit and that guy aint no boxer and if he knew how to box he would not throw them weak ass punches like that...get fuckin real
trulatin859 2 years ago
Come fight one of us then, show us your stuff, or shut up already
nolispe 2 years ago
Not bout boxing? Well if you train against a sloppy boxer your own defense will get pretty sloppy too.
ushodoshi 2 years ago
Let me see you put your video where your mouth is and show us better ushodoshi.
And I don't train with sloppy boxers, I train with the guys out of the local boxing club. Stuff still works like a charm
nolispe 2 years ago
I saw too many chanses to plant a perfect right punch right in the face in this video so many times that i just started crying...
Seriously, he doesnt rly know how to box.
And certainly doesnt know what a combo is either...
ushodoshi 2 years ago 2
A) not about boxing (yay another one who doesn't get it)
B) Chances
C) Wanna come play? You can help make the next set
nolispe 2 years ago
every time ive ever seen Aikido it is a demonstration, never anything showing that it works in real life.
maybe you could catch a punk on th street by suprize but you could never beat jiu jitsu or muay thai
DavetheLeg 2 years ago
co za pajace
manieksandra 2 years ago
That guy boxing isn't even trying or doesn't know how to box.
DuykRuyk 2 years ago 2
In real life these moves work without a doubt. I have either beaten or seen Fedor, Andeson, Lyoto, and GSP defeated using these very techniques. I promise that Aikido will begin to take over MMA just like Lyoto is doing with Karate. Muay Thai and Jujitsu are becoming obsolete.
clee888 2 years ago
Muay thai and jujitsu becoming absolete? lol plz. Aikido will never take over mma. Watch Bas Ruttan Aikido where he takes about aikido in mma. Bas has fighted a Aikido master before and exploded his kidneys lol true story!
leesie1984 2 years ago
Aikido guy should try moving with THE SAME SPEED as the boxer. 50% on 50%, 75% on 75% an so on. But in the video he moves to fast and the attacker much slower
Ilianthewizard 2 years ago
pffffft!
DieCouch 2 years ago
I'm glad you guys had fun... This is very interesting, afterall. Please keep it to yourselves, though, it may not work as smooth as it would seem in real fights :D
ws2family 2 years ago
This is ridiculous. The man cannot box.
GlennWadell 2 years ago 2
Just as I thought that Aikido couldn't get any funnier, I see this! It's absolutely hilarious. Can I have a go at punching one of these guys in the head?
Gorillaonabike 2 years ago
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AikidoBob 2 years ago
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AikidoBob 2 years ago
Glad you got a good laugh, wanker, anytime you want to cross the pond and take shot at my head you're more than welcome.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
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Gorillaonabike 2 years ago
I'm free in August AikidoBob. How do I find you? It will make a nice little video for YouTube. If you're on the East Coast I could pop over even earlier..
No Aikido practitioner has ever made a video for YouTube versus a real, live opponent. A little wager would add some spice.
Waddya say AikidoBob?
Gorillaonabike 2 years ago
Ok, man ya' called my bluff. Nah, I'm an idiot from way back but not that crazy.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
August huh? We're all over the Coast, mid west, we even have a few friends out your way if you're up for some friendly fun
nolispe 2 years ago
To Aikidobob: This is great! Now I can can see the effectiveness of Aikido. I am so glad you are confident in your Aikido skills. Now I will have proof Aikido is effective in a real situation, just like you said. An Exhibition match +++Aikidobob VS. Gorillaonabike+++.
bad11azz 2 years ago
Mr AikidoBob, you made me smile. I'm also an idiot from way back when and have the scars to prove it... :)
Also, nolispe, I appreciate your offer and like the idea. 'Friendly fun' for me would be something along the lines of a filmed exhibition match. As always, I believe a wager would be good to add some spice.
As you have friends over this side of the pond, I would be delighted if they would take up the challenge on your behalf.
Which of them would be appropriate?
Gorillaonabike 2 years ago
GB, Glad I could make you smile, great attitude! Nolipse is my student/son, BTW, and always eager to swallow his teeth. :-) Youth! Scars are good, mine include fused vertebra, therefore I have to be careful how I play anymore. But if you are in the midwest US this summer we could meet and have some good exhibition fun, I'll let you beat on the boy, good prep for our tourney in Japan come Sept. Let's see, in England, Marco might want to play, he lives in the north I think, where are you? Cheers!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Aside from missing teeth, broken bones, concussion, metal plates / screws and black eyes, the most bizarre injury to date is a black ear (I didn't know it was possible). Those things really go black! Guess I'll have to put any thoughts of a modelling career on hold.
I'm in the South. However, England is very small and I would be delighted to drive up to Marco to do aikido vs gorillaonabike. How do I get to spar with Mr Marco?
Gorillaonabike 2 years ago
Yikes, the dreaded black ear...just how does that happen? Is it like a cauliflower ear only it changes color, too? Yep, there goes the modelling career. :-) Not sure, let me see how I can get ahold of Mr. Marco Crispini and see if he is interested in this opportunity! He does some MMA stuff, too so maybe he will be...just a guess. If not then we will have to be a poor substitute for you to try your skills with.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
I think I have finally figured out what Akido means!!! When you fight choose someone who is slow, cant punch kick or has any fighting experience. You can Win AKIDO the mental martial art.
bad11azz 2 years ago
Yet you favorited the video...interesting contradiction.
BTW: it is spelled A I K I D O since you seem confused I thought I'd help you with that part at least.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Did not mean to offend anyone, just a joke. I can tell by your name you are serious about aikido. As far as I can tell the Aikido fighter would have to be naturally very very very fast. I think Aikido would be limited to only a few people in the whole world, which is the case in most martial arts. Can you post videos of you using Aikido in a nonchreographed fight? that would be proof of effectiveness. I need you to convince me Aikido is effective, my mind is open. By the way props to these guys.
bad11azz 2 years ago
Jokes don't come across well in this type of setting, thanks. Did you watch any of the other vids we posted? We increased the intensity, speed of the attacks, etc. Not full on fighting (no kicks, knees, elbows for instance), just concentrated on fist strikes. Aikido is as relatively effective as is any MA, all have their limitations. We haven't posted in a while, maybe we will show more free style, see if we can convince you of aikido's effectiveness, thanks for your comments.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
bad11azz,
in my experience, the opposite is true about needing to be fast.
the movement principles in aikido are about moving in the right way in the right position, sometimes a few inches only.
for combat examples of these principles you can look to daito ryu aikijiujitsu (jiu jitsu). those techniques are designed to kill by any means, whereas aikdio is about the perfection of the basic principles. based on aiki techniques of advanced jiu jitsu.
diferent focus, but much harder to learn.
jimmymoltesanti 2 years ago
And that is why I disagree with your comment that the aikidoka needs to be very fast, I think he needs to be very prompt in his movement to be effective. It's not about speed of technique per say, it is about the timing being right so that the small motion has big (significant) results. yes, very hard to do in unscripted or freestyle or whatever name you want, sitiuations. But if it was easy to learn and do, would it worth doing???? As self defense, yes, but not for personal growth experience.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Autsch
Belikanstone 2 years ago
skinnymonkey,
I think this video and the tanto randori one are great.
you rarely see aikido or jiu jitsu practicioners realy explore and test their techniques like this.
real interesting to watch.
I practice daito ryu aikijiujitsu myself, and we allwas face the question of what if the opponent moves this way, or that way, etc, and how to realysticly explore this.
I think these are great examples, and all these negative commenters have no clue.
jimmymoltesanti 2 years ago
Thanks, i agree with your comments, please explore this style of practice for your self!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
lately we have been sparring exluding either punching, kicking, or grappling, allways with interesting results.
tomorrow at training I'm going to suggest a sparr where one may only punch and/or kick, and the other may only grapple, kuzushi, etc..
I wonder what it may bring..
thanks for inspiring, i'll post if it was worth while.
jimmymoltesanti 2 years ago
i HOPE YOU DO POST!!! You will be the first one to respond with a video, that would be great. Hope your training went well!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
training went well, thanks.
I suggested my idea to the group, and we'll try it soon.
i'm not sure if we'll video it though.
I'll let you know if it was a succes.
jimmymoltesanti 2 years ago
Cool, good luck, play safe!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
What I mean is that the ungloved fighter looks like he is going more for an MMA or Bjj style clinch in stead of blending with Uki's attack. I am a newb to aikido. But I do have some years in wing chun and karate. So I know striking a bit too.
aikidoduder 2 years ago
I agree, I will in most cases close, engage contact and then apply whatever I can get. The deal as I see is that under combat conditions most grappling styles (as aikido is) end up looking the same, no matter what end technique you are trying to apply. The ability to flow/blend is much more difficult under stress...however I will comment that becasues of this training I am working more on how to blend or flow with this kind of attack
AikidoBob 2 years ago
He cant box. Fight against a real thai boxer. See thai box club singen
kiamsch 2 years ago
He (wow, there are two of them, which one you talking about Hans?) can box, and would probably generally kick your butt, try a more constructive comment next time.
nolispe 2 years ago
This is not aikido. The ungloved person who is suposed to use aikido should never push the attack. This looks like a free spar of two goons.
aikidoduder 2 years ago
Ah, once again your opinion shows your restricted focus on what is aikido. This particular goon thinks you need to open your mind. Apparently you are one of the kokyu aikidoka instead of the aiki aikidoka...to each their own.
gambatte
AikidoBob 2 years ago
hahahahahahaha.... I shouldn't even leave a comment. They're not serious... naaaahhh... they aren't.... LoL... I hope not....
DonnieLove214 2 years ago
you're right, you shouldn't have left a comment
AikidoBob 2 years ago
what a shit! is it a clown in gloves?! where is kick-boxer?
rrycc09 2 years ago
And more importantly: where is Waldo???? Give me a break.
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Mischac and Aikibob is right! The octagon is a great opportunity to pit skill against skill, maybe art against art. But the octagon is not everything in life. :)
Bheehappy 2 years ago
Amen Brother Bheehappy
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Looks like fun.
To the critics: it's a drill, get over it. Do these guys look young enough to be fighting in the octagon? Keep in mind that in your hypothetical "real fights," one of the best possible strategies is to avoid contact.
MischaC 2 years ago
Interesting theory...so if you don't get hit you don't get hurt?? What a concept! LOL!! Good freaking point, hope you watched the flow up videos too
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Next have the boxer fi you call it that throw legs kicks with the hands. lets say a guy throws a left jab with a right low kick which is a very basic thai combo and the guy dodging moves goes to his left basically right into the leg kick I bet you dont dance around anymore and wish you just would have spent your time learning to fight not dancing around contact
highkick37 2 years ago
So mister 37, Personally I love when the average joe thai boxer throws that combo, cause I do move into it, I catch his leg, blocking across my head I tie up sweep and land my knee in his stomach. There is an answer for everything, and yeah they need to take this vid down cause Jeff had been training for... 3 months at that point... and danced like a little girl. Show us your moves and then you can tell us to shove it, else wise, have a good day
nolispe 2 years ago
I hope those guys dont find themselves in a real fight they would get fucked up
badmofker 2 years ago
This is interesting to watch from an Aikidoka point of view. I am cross training in Kali and Kali is an interesting art because not only does it have a very old history, it is still constantly evolving and various styles of kali incorporate more modern techniques. I can still see aikido like openings whenever I am in Kali practice.
The round 3 practice was fascinating to watch. Bob is definitely an experienced Aikidoka as you can see when he tries executing aikido techniques at the end.
cloudstone123 2 years ago
Thanks, though my aikido mostly sucked in my own opinion. My taisabaki was lousy especially.
But I'm glad you enjoyed this despite all that.
gambatte
AikidoBob 2 years ago
Your technique may have felt lousy but do you think you could have done better if the exact same situation presented itself?
I have not seen many people do this kind of thing in respectful way which is why I enjoyed it. There are too many videos out there doing very poor comparisons with no real purpose. I know my aikido training has come in really useful during my kali training. It has several joint lock techniques I was able to understand better.
cloudstone123 2 years ago
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Do I think I could better in the real thing? Hopefully! Though lots of folks here seem to think I'd get "fucked up" as the last commentator noted. LOL!!
AikidoBob 2 years ago
wtf ?
denis303566 2 years ago
This is just a training. During training it is a good idea to start with a moderate speed and speed up when you gain more experience.. The other problem is that in aikido they don't really learn to punch.
Andyba2000 2 years ago
@nolispe
if I were "experimenting" with a 5th dan, I'd be using headgear. Just saying...
uzicacique 3 years ago
They are wearing head gear... elaborate?
nolispe 2 years ago
And btw, if he's a 5th, mofo knows control, if he's a decent person, you don't need protection unless you're going full boar
nolispe 2 years ago
That "guy in the white" is a 5th Dan, with the greatest respect for Aikido. They are doing this as an experiment, not really anything serious. Show us your videos if you are such an expert.
nolispe 3 years ago
Pathetic.
favalon79 3 years ago
Elaborate? or are you too chicken? (also, check out the other vids "aiki-boxing2" and aiki-boxing 3
nolispe 3 years ago
Thanks, this was real basic, it's gotten better. Floor is two layers of foam (wrestling mat type, softer under, denser one on top for better purchase) about three inches thick covered with a cheap tarp you get at hardware stores.
AikidoBob 3 years ago
Very interesting stuff you guys are up to here. I've got to tell ya I was skeptical in the beginning but when you guys started going for techniques it really captured my attention. From a judo standpoint there are some real neat throws going on. I especially like the one starting at about 6:40. Also, what is the floor made out of?
wrathVchild 3 years ago
BUHAHAHAHA
barjur2 3 years ago
I've been doing this sort of training for 2 years as well. The feedack I would give is that tori needs to stop entering and rotating so much, when it is unecessary. Also if you are keeping your hands low, then you are inviting attacks to the head, therefore you must be prepared to defend it when the attack comes. I personally don't like the hop skippy thing of most aikido schools, i like to go from stillness to 100%.
kensei1984 3 years ago
Skipping around with the boxer/karateka, tends to sync with their rhythm, which is bad for you. Also, uke, while trying his best, needs to be more intent and determined to drive the hit home. This means a committed attack, but a balanced one. With true intent (you havegloves on after all) your body movements tend to work better.
kensei1984 3 years ago
Good points, well stated. This was our first attempt at this drill which is why we were also very tenatative with our strikes. It's hard not to get into rythm with your attacker (skipping, bouncing, etc.) a point made by more than one akidoka giving criticism. Thanks for your input, hope you viewed the other vids as well. Gambatte!
AikidoBob 3 years ago
BIG UPS for trying to use a "traditional" martial art and apply it to more realistic situations!! You would be more likely to face someone with boxing training on the streets, as opposed to another martial artist trained excusively in YOUR OWN art. (There are a LOT more Boxing clubs than dojos out there! Check if ya don't believe me) And adding a non-complient element makes it that much better. Now on to improving, perfecting, and implementing. Good job!!!! :-)
GJJFan 3 years ago
Thanks, that is the whole point to this exercise: find your box and get the F out of it!! Stretch and challenge yourself!!!! And as you said on to getting better through practice and understanding. Thanks, gambatte!!!
AikidoBob 3 years ago
The foot work is absolutely TERRIBLE! In my years of training in martial art especially in Yoshikan Aikido I never seen such horrible footwork in my life...lord have mercy. In my dojo I teach "correct" side stepping. The feet is where you gain strength, breathing you gain power and in timing you develope speed. Take notes!
djkaneck1 3 years ago
Hai, sensei! Domo arigato, notes will be taken and handed out to all involved. However, if you'd be so kind, please video your self doing this same type of training and post it showing how you correctly counter a non-cooperative, non-choreographed striker, not an "aiki-buddy" so to speak but someone really trying to rip your head off. We'd all be most appreciative of the instruction.
AikidoBob 3 years ago
I agree totally! At least you are TRYING to use your techniques in a "more realistic" type of setting!! Big ups to you for at least trying to use what you've already learned, adjusting it to correct any flaws/mistakes, and perfecting upon it! Is that NOT the essence of any TRUE Martial "Philosophy"?!?!?! I think so!
GJJFan 3 years ago
You are not the only person who asked me for a video. problem is I teach military and blackwater instructors. The contract I have does not allow me produce any videos of "classified techniques". But I'm certifying a new western born martial art based on my Techniques called Iron-style. It more like combat science rather than an art. It make what you do 10 times better in real combat. Aikido is my passion, I would to fly out teach any school after my contract ends fall 09.
djkaneck1 3 years ago
Very interesting, please let us know when your contract ends and you can travel and teach Iron-style openly. Until then we will just have to be patient, another good skill learned from Aikido.
Peace to you in a troubled world.
AikidoBob 3 years ago
This suks.
MrsCulllen 3 years ago
What "sucks" about it?
nolispe 3 years ago
really interesting. The concept of fighting a boxer is really interesting since boxers are fist fighters rather then using all limbs. On one hand there is an easier time expecting whats going to fly out (only two body parts to expect) on the other hand the boxer has a higher focus cause they dont have to worry about other body parts (no striking usually from aikido).
REALLY interesting
DrifterXion 3 years ago
Atemi(striking) is always encouraged. It makes entering a load easier.
These vids don't show it, but we typically practice all sorts of "what if" situations.
I actually love trying techniques in an "MMA" style situation, b/c it challenges you more.
nolispe 3 years ago
Good to see some non compliant Aikido training, its a rare thing indeed.
tillerbear 3 years ago
AikidoBob, I love these comments, I hope your training is doing well.
Marcus711 3 years ago
Thanks, hope you are training hard, too!
AikidoBob 3 years ago
you guys are great but if you keep this up, you'll blow the secret. let everyone keep thinking aiki is bogus so i can make some money bouncing this winter!!!! so far all i've had to do was talk. that's a much better job then dodging punches. GOOD WORK, keep it up, most bikers don't know how to use U TUBE anyway.
triprush75 3 years ago
LOL!!! Ok, we'll take these all down and let you keep making money!! thanks for the comment.
AikidoBob 3 years ago
the guy in with he is better in aikido.and the guy in black he is a better in boxing but they both awsome
magooz33 3 years ago
I like the idea and respect to these guys for trying but in terms of footwork - boxing teaches that also and IMHO much better than what I've seen here.
Hotora86 3 years ago
No doubt, we never said we were boxers and it shows! peace to you.
AikidoBob 3 years ago
FINALLY! This is the only video on YouTube where the opponent is actually fighting back in Aikido. Others may say its BS, but its exactly what Aikido needs. Its obviously not a real fight, but its excellent training. Please keep the vids coming.
patrino 3 years ago 2