This actually doesn't sound like a bad idea for what's out there. But chain tension is not the only factor in bobbing. In my experience WEIGHT and PEDALING are the main forces in bobbing.
He repeats himself a bit and the people in the background make quite a noice...nit picking!
Say what you want, the proof is in the riding. I have been on a Virtue1 (08) and Virtue2 (07) and can say with confidence that this is one of the best pedalling platforms. Compared to other FS bikes this bike squads and bob a lot less and is blindingly fast.
That's pretty interesting. I've often wondered how the Equilink system worked. The theory is interesting but as others have said, what about the bob that orginates from the rider's weight loading and unloading the suspension during each crank rotation?
Sorry but this guy has made me think about suspention in a totaly diferent way, oh & yes you do get bob from a hardtail, its only fully rigid bikes that dont bob.
I can understand what he's saying but not all bob comes from chain tension, a large amount comes from the rider bouncing up and down, that's why URTs still bob.
The only bikes that don't suffer with bob are hardtails.
instead of bashing full suspension or hard tails, why not just agree that Riding Is Good!! regardless of what kind of bike you have. whether you are a weight weenie with full carbon hardtail or a gravity junkie with 10in of travel in the frame, GO RIDE!! it's the best thing for mental health and well-being. just do it!
hardtails have their merits, but the better traction from a (well designed) full suspension bike makes a big difference.
Regarding this video, I don't really accept his explanation of how the suspension works... from an engineering point of view I still can't see how chain tug forces would result in equal-opposite forces going through the red link in ALL gear combinations. He sounds like he is just talking crap. But at least Felt are trying to do something different... good on them!
sorry but u'll get a wayyyy! better kick out of cycling on a hard tail where as your going to miss out on alot of the bumps and humps which all and all make trail/downhill/mountain biking that bit more fun
i guess they wanna challeng the giant maestro,what a joke!just plus a little red link on the maestro system,you think it changes everything?if it was such a easy thing to do,then you mean you take those giant designer as fool?giant joke...
why have pro-pedal rear shock, as well as the equilink? i find pro pedal works well enough. are they saying their bikes have sloppy back ends and need the equilink as well? pah, i'll stick to my s-works enduro.
Beginners should start on a hardtail to develop his control with technical riding and jumps. A beginner with DS would just be riding on eye candy. Although, DS would help ride more safely on trails or drops that you're not yet comfortable on
yeah, I think riding a hardtail force you to learn some of the important skills in mountain biking. And face it, it's better on climbs and extremely useful on daily commuting.
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depends on what riding you do mate free ride / down hill need full sus for dirt jumping or street u need hard tail short travel full sus is good for all round action
blah, blah blah this guy just shot more bullshit than i have ever heard. the truth is if you ride a hardtail, you dont need to worry about 'bob'. also if you ride a hard tail you are not a puss.
thats funny becuz every hadtail ive had ive bent or snapped the back end off the bike soo im all about a little give in the back. im not saying this guys method is that great tho
yes they do but they have engines so you dont lose any energy. so why don't you learn something about suspension designs before you criticize other designs.
thanks for the details fagget felt as a company does not suck felt is on of the leading cross country race and trail bikes made today because of there light weight frames and this bar.
All very good, but lets face it, it's another thing to screw up. Ontop of that, as Mojo suspension (one of the top suspension tuning and modifying companies in the world) would say....if it's so damn good, why hasn't it been invented in the motocross world yet? dont get me wrong, it is a clever idea, but I think companies are over doing it marketing there own shock platforms these days. It's not going to make you any faster or boost your confidence. Single pivot all the way.
the answer is theyre not needed in motorcycle world. Bicycles have different characteristics, with human power to begin with, which is delivered at lower frequency (2-3 cranks per second & motorcycle engine turns at up to 10 or even more thousand revs per second), and this causes full suspension bikes to bob - a lot of rider's energy is wasted on suspension compression. Now I have one of those "overmarketed" gimmicks (Giant NRS) and it did make me faster, especially on rocky uphill sections.
Yadda yadda yadda. I will still kick this guys butt going up or down on my Hollowpoint with DW LINK rear suspension!! Woooohoooooo! MKIII rocks!! Go Iron Horse!!
your stupid if you ride downhill you can bob all you want it doesn't matter pedal bob just makes you faster so no your gay ass hardtail has nothing on this bike
HAHAHAH I FELL ASLEEP LISTENING TO THIS GUY NEEEEEXT
MrPsilo222 7 months ago
what is the maximum recommended tire width on this bike??
please help!!
Mrhippie123 1 year ago
Crap bike. Never rode very well, the carbon seatstay bonding broke apart and then the headtube cracked later in the year. And I weigh 125 lbs!
OuterParty 1 year ago
Im in a serious delema. This, the epic, rize twenty 2 , or th GT marathon expert?????!!!!!!! HEEEEEELLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!
venskus2009 1 year ago
Im driving a Felt Complusion 2 SE (08) and i can confim all the things in the Video. The Bike is one of the best Rides i ever drive.
dreifachesM 2 years ago
equilink? no offense but i'd stick with the brain.
gmarte12 3 years ago
This actually doesn't sound like a bad idea for what's out there. But chain tension is not the only factor in bobbing. In my experience WEIGHT and PEDALING are the main forces in bobbing.
knobud 3 years ago
The peddling bob-forces are negated. Ride one.
FreeAgain2 3 years ago
He repeats himself a bit and the people in the background make quite a noice...nit picking!
Say what you want, the proof is in the riding. I have been on a Virtue1 (08) and Virtue2 (07) and can say with confidence that this is one of the best pedalling platforms. Compared to other FS bikes this bike squads and bob a lot less and is blindingly fast.
Definately wirth a test ride
IwanKemp 4 years ago
That's pretty interesting. I've often wondered how the Equilink system worked. The theory is interesting but as others have said, what about the bob that orginates from the rider's weight loading and unloading the suspension during each crank rotation?
SlimTwisted 4 years ago
Sorry but this guy has made me think about suspention in a totaly diferent way, oh & yes you do get bob from a hardtail, its only fully rigid bikes that dont bob.
frmbs 4 years ago
is he wearing fake eyelashes?
mtbdave3 4 years ago
I can understand what he's saying but not all bob comes from chain tension, a large amount comes from the rider bouncing up and down, that's why URTs still bob.
The only bikes that don't suffer with bob are hardtails.
kieron88ward 4 years ago 3
instead of bashing full suspension or hard tails, why not just agree that Riding Is Good!! regardless of what kind of bike you have. whether you are a weight weenie with full carbon hardtail or a gravity junkie with 10in of travel in the frame, GO RIDE!! it's the best thing for mental health and well-being. just do it!
HydeMyJekyll 4 years ago 6
Sold my Santa cruz superlight, I now ride hardtail.. singlespeed hardtail. One gear is all I need. no gizmos,
bisayangdak0 4 years ago 2
gears aren't gizmos...
snailsnail25 4 years ago
just go out and ride.. whatever mtb you have, if you're out and riding it, its all good.
mocky1220 4 years ago
I have a full suss for fun and a hard tail when I want to go fast
slapski8566 4 years ago
crap
bruriahas 4 years ago
yawn, i know sus would make me faster but my favourite quote form MBUK (years ago now)
"rocks are hard, and hardtails rock"
thisisnotaspoon 4 years ago
I will stick it with my blur...can you feel that.felt?
youlikeuhthepeppa 4 years ago
Yawn, there goes my insomnia, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
foggie15 4 years ago
hardtails have their merits, but the better traction from a (well designed) full suspension bike makes a big difference.
Regarding this video, I don't really accept his explanation of how the suspension works... from an engineering point of view I still can't see how chain tug forces would result in equal-opposite forces going through the red link in ALL gear combinations. He sounds like he is just talking crap. But at least Felt are trying to do something different... good on them!
ChilliBike 4 years ago
couldnt you just use a stiffer shock?
gurusam666 4 years ago
you obviously know absolutely nothing about suspension set up.
Gsnickets 4 years ago
well sorry im not a fucking pussy, i ride a hardtail and i can probably ride better than you
gurusam666 4 years ago
he sutters alot
jacksprat456 4 years ago
sorry but u'll get a wayyyy! better kick out of cycling on a hard tail where as your going to miss out on alot of the bumps and humps which all and all make trail/downhill/mountain biking that bit more fun
uber18 4 years ago 2
Eehhh ada yang pake bahasa ya
iqrobimo 4 years ago
hardtails kick ass
dadada72 4 years ago 2
if some one buy this bike..i can say he stupid.
ssl2421 4 years ago
if you could read your sentence out loud. you could say your stupid!
back2nrml 4 years ago
lu pergi mampus lagi bagus..,back2neraka
ssl2421 4 years ago
ya right!! THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE MONEY!!LOSER!!!!
negs67 4 years ago
how about you shut the fuck up and just get a hard tail HAHAH no fucking complicated rear suspension there
DENG1993 4 years ago
nope just get bucked over your bars on a set of 1 foot breaking bumps.
back2nrml 4 years ago
Show the bike in motion. You talk way too much.
naughty00e 4 years ago 3
This suspension sustem works and it is amazing!!!!!!!!!
rigidboy 4 years ago
puuh wat een verhaal
douwepieter 4 years ago
i guess they wanna challeng the giant maestro,what a joke!just plus a little red link on the maestro system,you think it changes everything?if it was such a easy thing to do,then you mean you take those giant designer as fool?giant joke...
liuwenjie6678 4 years ago
People who cannot afford a good FS bike (or are ignorant) ride hard tails, and that's the truth.
Skaggydog 4 years ago
by the way,does he look like mr.bean,ha,what a funny guy with his teras bike...
liuwenjie6678 4 years ago
this design is crap,i asure you its not gonna work such well as he told you...wholy bull shit!
liuwenjie6678 4 years ago
I work in a High end bike shop in the Rocky Mountains. We can't give these bikes away. Road bikes are OK, but the MBs are expensive for what you get.
We haven't sold one all season. YIKES!
wyomingresident 4 years ago
Another solution for the same problem is Ellsworth's ICT. I would like to see which is more efficient.
asbaDoce 4 years ago
why have pro-pedal rear shock, as well as the equilink? i find pro pedal works well enough. are they saying their bikes have sloppy back ends and need the equilink as well? pah, i'll stick to my s-works enduro.
aphex2k 4 years ago
Beginners should start on a hardtail to develop his control with technical riding and jumps. A beginner with DS would just be riding on eye candy. Although, DS would help ride more safely on trails or drops that you're not yet comfortable on
smarteth 4 years ago
yeah, I think riding a hardtail force you to learn some of the important skills in mountain biking. And face it, it's better on climbs and extremely useful on daily commuting.
raven1234 4 years ago
Exactly, I'm selling my downhill bike and buying a hardtail right now.
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WHEN U R READING THIS DONT STOP OR SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN MY NAME IS SUMMER I AM 15 YEARS OLD i have BLONDE HAIR , SCARS no NOSE OR EARS I AM DEAD IF U DONT COPY THIS JUS LIKE FROM THE RING COPY N POST THIS ON 5 MORE SITES OR I WILL APPEAR ONE CREEPY NIGHT WEN UR NOT ExPECTING IT BY YOUR BED WITH A NIFE AND KILL U THIS IS NO JOKE SUMMET ING GOOD WILL HAPPEN TO U IF YOU POST THIS ON 5 MORE FLASH BOXES
ZDR420 4 years ago
I'm sorry but you began to make no sense shortly after "outside the box..."
12jesus 4 years ago
Too Be true felt ant know nothing about building quality bike. Huffys are better.
CharlezBrincat 4 years ago
Huffys? Wow you're a nOOb, Huffy is one of the WORST bike manufactures ever.
Snoshado 4 years ago
i have a rocky mountan flow f1.0 hardail and it wud still shit all over that felt bike lol
cainorox 4 years ago
Well spoken Bro. Makes great sense on paper, but I wanna try it on DIRT!
OneDrumBum 4 years ago
Just wondering.. a beginner mtber shd get a full susp or a hardtail?
leoang90 4 years ago
depends on what riding you do mate free ride / down hill need full sus for dirt jumping or street u need hard tail short travel full sus is good for all round action
mersea123 4 years ago
thanks.
leoang90 4 years ago
id go with hard tail because full sus is alittle harder to control sometimes when u go off jumps so hardtail is better for begginers
snowboardisme 4 years ago
i got lost wen he sed cownterakt whaight transfer :-s
nick99898 4 years ago
blah, blah blah this guy just shot more bullshit than i have ever heard. the truth is if you ride a hardtail, you dont need to worry about 'bob'. also if you ride a hard tail you are not a puss.
BurntStihl 4 years ago
thats funny becuz every hadtail ive had ive bent or snapped the back end off the bike soo im all about a little give in the back. im not saying this guys method is that great tho
redbaronrally 4 years ago
then you are not riding smooth enough... or you are doing so pretty crazy shit or you are one heavy guy
datrudutch 4 years ago
fuck you homo lets see you do a 20 foot drop on a hardtail and then we can see who's a puss
wadoplaydo 4 years ago
Very good idea guys. I'd love to see how an experienced professional compares this to the Santa Cruz vpp system.
kuksul08 4 years ago
"if it's so damn good, why hasn't it been invented in the motocross world yet?"
You don't have pedals so motocross bikes don't pogo, now do they?
b3anss 4 years ago
yes they do but they have engines so you dont lose any energy. so why don't you learn something about suspension designs before you criticize other designs.
wadoplaydo 4 years ago
felt sucks
demo840 4 years ago
thanks for the details fagget felt as a company does not suck felt is on of the leading cross country race and trail bikes made today because of there light weight frames and this bar.
wadoplaydo 4 years ago
felt sucks
demo840 4 years ago
All very good, but lets face it, it's another thing to screw up. Ontop of that, as Mojo suspension (one of the top suspension tuning and modifying companies in the world) would say....if it's so damn good, why hasn't it been invented in the motocross world yet? dont get me wrong, it is a clever idea, but I think companies are over doing it marketing there own shock platforms these days. It's not going to make you any faster or boost your confidence. Single pivot all the way.
DangerousProductions 4 years ago
the answer is theyre not needed in motorcycle world. Bicycles have different characteristics, with human power to begin with, which is delivered at lower frequency (2-3 cranks per second & motorcycle engine turns at up to 10 or even more thousand revs per second), and this causes full suspension bikes to bob - a lot of rider's energy is wasted on suspension compression. Now I have one of those "overmarketed" gimmicks (Giant NRS) and it did make me faster, especially on rocky uphill sections.
44lucas 4 years ago 2
'Doing alot of bad negative things'
Bad negative? you dont say.
AntiFlag89 4 years ago
Felt are darn nice bikes though...
boltonmerlin 5 years ago
Yadda yadda yadda. I will still kick this guys butt going up or down on my Hollowpoint with DW LINK rear suspension!! Woooohoooooo! MKIII rocks!! Go Iron Horse!!
1Shiznit 5 years ago
my 99 ARS 7 iron horse hardtail still overtakes these kind of people down hill..
boltonmerlin 5 years ago
your stupid if you ride downhill you can bob all you want it doesn't matter pedal bob just makes you faster so no your gay ass hardtail has nothing on this bike
wadoplaydo 4 years ago