2222554 Pt2 of 2: What Happens to the Word of God If Paul is a False Apostle

[odephraimchai]

You are finally starting to understanding. Christianity is a lie and no christian is saved by their false god. Jesus the the abomination of told Daniel.

[Phaedron777]

The evidence against Paul is overwhelming. And no I will not tare them out, because the best decievers say many things that are true. So yes there is Holy Spirit. A jew is one who follows the commandments, thats all. Check out:

paulproblem.faithweb.com/acove­r_page.htm

[turtle4aire]

Budman, if you walked in your area and there was a crazy kid that lived on the next block and everytime you walked by he started telling you some crazy stuff about the Bible. there is nothing you can do about it for you have called the law and they said walk on the next block over.

in your case you have 2222554 that keeps shooting off at the mouth about the bible. when you walk by & 2222554 shoots off his mouth say [ no your wrong ] & move on. Everybody knows idiots when they speak.

[rsims87]

Gentiles could become Yisrael even in the "Old Testament" so how do you figure they cannot be saved? They can't be a saved gentile, but they can be a saved former gentile. The Set Apart Spirit (Holy is a Pagan word) has always been poured on Yahuah's people. Ezekiel 33 explains salvation perfectly.

Side note:

Peter didn't write 1 & 2 Peter

Torah forbids any one teaching against the "Law"

Read Deut 13 & Isa 8:20 then tell me... did Messiah change the Torah we are to live by?

[zackrowe1]

i cant help but wonder why none of the 7churches Jesus started were spoken of only the churches paul started. and what happened to the real apostles (the 12) and matthias (who took place of judas) thoughts and books..? just a thought.

[iluvjc88]

I think you should have heard more of 222254's beliefs on this before making this video. He never said pull out any gospel, or remove ANY part of the Bible. What do you mean if you're a gentile, and you don't believe in Paul you can't be saved?? This very thing is why we have so many people doubting Paul today. We have one Lord, Jesus Christ! Why don't you hear out his entire idea before misrepresenting his view? Go to your brother in Christ, with the love of Christ.

[BudManInChrist]

I have heard his beliefs on this topic. He claims that Paul was a false Apostle. Period.

I'M the one saying that if you throw out Paul then you have to throw out all of this other stuff as well. For some reason known only to himself believes that while denouncing Paul as a false Apostle that his writings are still scripture.

Paul is either a true Apostle or a false one. His writings are either true or false. And those who associated with him were also either true or false.

[iluvjc88]

I believe even the Apostle Paul would disagree with the way this is being done here. This is my main point. We are supposed to be followers of Christ! If we can't disagree among ourselves in love, how can we show the world the love of Jesus? I see Christians debating and viciously attacking each other constantly on youtube, and wonder how this looks to the unbelievers!

[BudManInChrist]

This is what I think Paul's response would have been:

"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned." (Titus 3:9-11)

2222554 has been warned and now I will have nothing to do with him.

[iluvjc88]

Paul preached grace, but grace came by Jesus Christ. He alone is the gospel, He alone is grace. I understand your zeal in wanting to stand up for the word of God, but shouldn't we as Christians, remain in love with one another? The comments I see on videos like these, Christians calling each other crazy, stupid, saying they're going to hell. This isn't what Jesus wants us to do.

[BudManInChrist]

I understand your position but when people deny the scriptures then you have to stand up for them. God has entrusted His Holy Word to us and we are to defend the faith. The worst attacks come, not from outside the church, but from inside.

Please read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15 and note all that Paul says there. This has to do with the great delusion that is coming. Notice that Paul says to hold to the teachings as handed down through the Apostles. This is the Gospel. It is important to defend it.

[BudManInChrist]

Also, you do know that NONE of the New Testament was written by Jesus Christ, right?

I'm not suggesting that God did not inspire the Apostles to write the NT but that Jesus Himself did not write anything Himself.

The Gospel message (which alone saves) was entrusted by our Lord to the Apostles. That includes Paul.

The Devil is always trying to discredit God's Word. He did it in the Garden of Eden with "Has God said...?" And he STILL does it today.

[iluvjc88]

Jesus IS the word!! He alone is grace, He alone is the gospel! I have heard some of what 22254 believes, but I'm not trying to speak for him. The fact is, the Bible does speak of Paul's teachings being changed by some, perverting the gospel, in a way very similar to what I believe 22254 is speaking of. So perhaps if you stop trying so hard to defend Paul, the man, and listen to what 22254 is saying, you might both be right!

[BudManInChrist]

No, what 2222554 is saying is that Paul is a FALSE APOSTLE as shown in the info section.

You say that Jesus Christ is the WORD and you are right. Well who inspired Paul to write his epistles if not Jesus Christ?

"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess 2:15)

[BudManInChrist]

Amen. That is exactly my point. You either sink or swim with Paul. Interestingly enough, 2222554 seems it wise to base his arguements AGAINST Paul primarily from the book of Acts (written by Luke) and 1 Corinthians (written by Paul).

He doesn't even the failure in logic in his position.

[iluvjc88]

I pray you are understanding my point here. I understand your zeal to defend the word of God, but it seems to me, he isn't attacking the word, he's saying the Bible shows you were the apostasy comes from. When I hear someone say I wouldn't be saved without Paul, no grace without Paul, you sink or swim by Paul, you only prove 222554's point, and Paul is being placed by people as an antichrist, isn't this putting him in the place of Christ, who died for our sins? GRACE came by JESUS CHRIST!

[BudManInChrist]

@iluvjc88

No one is saying that grace comes through Paul or that salvation comes through Paul. What I am saying is that if you believe that Paul is a false Apostle then that will undermine whe whole New Testament.

This is by God's design. I didn't have anything to do with Paul writing over 1/2 of the NT or so many NT writers being associated with Paul. God had His hand with that.

So in a sense you do sink or swim with Paul. That is why so many people attack him.

[iluvjc88]

It seems to me you and 222554 both agree that the entire Bible is about Jesus Christ, all inspired by God. You know he isn't saying this isn't inspired by God. The word is the judge. Disagree on teachings, debate, but let the word defend the word. Christians can debate the Bible without name calling. Oh, and God never said by Paul's teaching you will be saved. So no, I don't sink without Paul. I have Jesus. Jesus died for me, I am not of Paul, I'm of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

[BudManInChrist]

Of course it is by Jesus Christ that we are saved. You are not understanding my point. 2222554 claims that Paul was a FALSE APOSTLE. What part of that do you not understand?

The point of my video is to show how untenable that position is. If Paul is a false Apostle then his writings ARE NOT SCRIPTURE. Also those associated with Paul (Luke, Mark, Peter, ect) are suspect as well.

If Paul is a false Apostle then you discredit over 2/3rds of the New Testament. (Cont)

[BudManInChrist]

(Cont) How is it that you cannot see that? I am defending the Word of God here, not just Paul.

It is even more absurd for 2222554 to say that Paul's writings are scripture if he claims that Paul is a false Apostle. It is even MORE absurd to take Paul's OWN WRITINGS to try to discredit Paul as a false Apostle.

Let me ask you this:

Who made Paul an Apostle if not our Lord Jesus Christ? So who is really being discredit by 2222554's accusations?

[BudManInChrist]

Thank you Tumbleweedisback.

I had wanted to do a video defending Paul's Apostleship back when Boltingpuppies did her videos because others here on YouTube were attacking it back then.

Then I didn't take the time to do it. This started with my defending Apollos against 2222554's accusations. At the time it didn't require a video but when he brought Paul into the discussion and slandered Paul, well I just had to make a video.

[BudManInChrist]

@2222554

By the way, I don't care about the ratings. What matters to me is that the truth get's out. Rate however you like.

[BudManInChrist]

I have the comments in the info box to PROVE that you said that Paul was the Beast/Apollos/Apollyon. Do you deny it? If Paul was the Beast/Apollos/Apollyon then he certainly wasn't of God and his ministry was a sham.

The video stands. Get some help. I don't know if you are getting this from Sherry Shriner who also hates Paul or where you're getting this from but you need to repent.

This also applies to your slander of Apollos as well.

[soulpeaceinchrist]

Matthew 5:

38You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. 39But I say to you, Do not resist the man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.

[soulpeaceinchrist]

I commend you Brother Bud on rightfully dividing the Word of God and also the use of Historical evidence.

I do encourage you with this my dear brother ..

Proverbs 26: 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Soul peace in Christ Jesus our Lord,

Sharon :)

[BudManInChrist]

Thank you dear sister. God bless you.

[rsims87]

@soulpeaceinchrist wait... proverbs is in the "Old Testament" we aren't under that covenant any more, remember? Paul said so! But if you do think we should live by proverbs, check this out: Proverbs 28:4-9 hmm... there's that Torah stuff again.