OpenMoko Train Wrecking (now with Qt!)

[lin2log]

Denial is a terrible thing.

[paulluvz269xxx]

Oh yeah I can tell by your dorky voice that you're a real lady's man

[lin2log]

LOL!! And I can tell by your non-existent reading skills that your IQ of FOUR isn't even being nearly maxed out, since otherwise you'd have caught that that ISN'T ME, you fuck-tard.

[timbob1907]

Haha very funny. I like this. I really want this phone to get better but listening to the things that are wrong is very entertaining.

[stpap]

good video.. I know it is rated down, but the arguments are pretty sound. The one thing that you could tone down is the irony. It dilutes the argument.

You seem to be bashing open-source when virtually everything you use today uses open-source software in some sense. Windows? -BSD networking stack. Google? - Linux. Youtube? - Linux, iPhone? Webkit, gcc, and so on.

Please, don't bash open-source/free software and stick to evaluating the product. That transforms a rant into a coherent opinion.

[lin2log]

What makes you think I'm bashing OSS as a whole? I'm merely bashing the dilusionals that have been repeating themselves with the same bs arguments fpr *years* now, instead of just facing reality: OSS is important, sure, and great for fiddling geeks, niche markets and products but will never be ready for prime-time. Fess up to that and you're fine. Great ideas and concepts are thrown around (nothing more), but real innovation is done elsewhere in the end, sorry.

[samuraiBSD]

I don't think he's saying you're explicitly bashing OSS as a whole, but I think you do kind of portray this image of just bashing open source...I know that's not what you're doing, but to someone not paying attention, it could seem that way.

[willy8880]

Lin2log is unhappy and needs to vent his rants here. Do not let his nay saying discourage you. People used to nay say about Linux itself but ignore these kinds of people they have a cannot do attitude.

[lin2log]

"People used to nay say about Linux"

Yeah. The biggest bummer being... that *they were right*.

[willy8880]

Your comment is further proof that you are ignorant on this subject and merely a winer, a negative influence (a member of the minority).

Anyone of authority in this business knows that besides Linux running many large enterprise systems, a major share of the web and Google itself runs on Linux.

[lin2log]

Well gee, thanks for making my point which I have made over and over again for me. Servers? Sure, go for it. Desktop? LOL, hardly.

[willy8880]

Lin2log clearly not savvy enough to review this product. His negative attitude is not what makes the Open Source community tick - the opposite of that does. Also, do not review open products unless you (as we say) RTFM - in this case the wiki.

You can enter any word via that keyboard - hold the key down long enough and that one is forced without word completion.

This is a "DEVELOPER RELEASE" of the phone as clearly stated in the wiki. So review it in that light!

[lin2log]

"You can enter any word via that keyboard - hold the key down long enough and that one is forced without word completion."

Yeah... and that's SO amazingly efficient and speedy. What a *great* point. That of course convinces me that this is truly technology of the future.

lol

[SlayerXperu]

So, u dont like the phone, give it to me ^_^

[Meluste]

haven't you tried Om2008.8 distribution yet?

is the proof that OM team is working hard to give us the perfect phone!

oh, remember that if you buy a freerunner with Openmoko you are suposed to know how to program so that your new phone suits you perfectly...

[dbenoy]

Also, if you want to type a word that's not in the dictionary, you don't have to go to the stylus keyboard. Continue using your finger, just hold down a letter for 2 or more seconds, and a little bubble will come up. This method does not use the dictionary.

[dbenoy]

The QTopia keyboard is designed to be used with the finger. Simply tap in the general area of the key you're interested in. It will automatically try to figure out the word you're trying to type using probabilities based on how close you were to which letters. That's what you're seeing when you type a word that starts with 'k' it assumes you could have meant the dictionary word 'I'

[Merlin1940]

lin2log, I fully agree with your point, in addition you are the only here to have really read and understood what the others were saying, hence the most respectful *in facts* - whatever the 1st glance. Yet I think that you would have better success with reacting more moderately: readers tend to forgive heated words more when from young inexperienced than from more seasoned ones.

Thu 14 Aug 2008 22:24 GMT

[tripwired]

The GTA02 is a phone for software developers. It is not a mass market phone. Calling it such and then pointing out consumer issues with the device is not comparing apples to apples. I have a GTA02 and for every thing I don't like about it there are two things I absolutely love about it. The software is getting better with the help of the entire community and will continue to be made more stable. The progress being made today will provide a stepping stone to a consumer-ready GTA03 in the future.

[lin2log]

Yeah... just too bad that due to the harakiri style organizational structure that your supposedly so awsome OSS is based upon will make it utterly impossible for that to EVER happen. Wake up!

Even the most die-hard freetard will actually have to make some MONEY off his work some day (at 43, when he actually grows up!) and see how impossible the "community" makes ANY type of commercial success outside of tiny niche markets or special interest apps! Period.

[elysion0]

I knew of this project, but I never expected such a dreadful result.

I think you should submit these videos on the "Linux Hater's Blog", if you haven't already.

[lin2log]

:-D

Thanks. Good tip. I just may. Check my link above on the "CHOICE!" that the freetards like to scream in defense of their waste of time when you run their delusional heads against that fact... it's eye-opening and depressing at the same time. Just too bad they can't deal with the facts.

;-)

[abatrour]

How long have you been playing with it man? If you HOLD your finger down on the letters, it allows you to pick which letter you want.

And it DOES play mp3s. But fuck mp3's, I have all my ogg vorbis to play now :D

[lin2log]

"If you HOLD your finger down on the letters, it allows you to pick which letter you want."

LOL! Hell, now that's pure EFFICIENCY, ain't it?? It should then only take me about 10 minutes per sentence!! Hooray!

Oh jesus... actually, it's purely delusional on your part, thank you. You guys can find an excuse for ANYTHING, can't you? Must be a cozy life you lead. So totally detached from reality and common sense...

[undrwateranarchy]

I'm one of your tards...I like this phone. But then, I've always liked choice...

I'm curious why you're so very angry about lame open source software. If it's lame, ignore it, it'll go away. I'm wondering if open source software killed your dog? (Possible, I suppose if you sent a bad sync to your monitor and it exploded)

Yep, it's beta; it may always be beta, but it'll always be damned fun! :)

[lin2log]

"But then, I've always liked choice..."

:-D I love them freetards. Exclude rational thought and reasoning and see what you get... ouch.

CHOICE, huh? You wanna see what you're supposed CHOICE is gettin' you? Then try this on for size:

tinyurl(dot)com(slash)5fxaos

But let me guess... they of course have it ALL wrong, right??

:-))))

[MrStanaland]

Not sure why you hate open source so much, but since you keep saying that all open source sucks and nobody uses it, let me tell you about a few open source things that global corps, SMBs, and the internet depend on (and that make me alot of money):

Spring

Apache

Hibernate

Tomcat

Jasper Reports

JFreeReports

MySql

Postgres

But since you seem to like "MacBook," perhaps the only thing you care about is iTunes and Photoshop. That is fine, but the server is also very important.

[lin2log]

Sorry, I have ZERO idea what your point was supposed to be. And I never *once* mentioned anything about a MacBook... wtf??

And yes, that's great SERVER stuff and Linux etc. can have ALL of that, no problem whatsoever! Have some myself e.g. as render slave's! But they'll NEVER make it to prime time (= desktop), sorry. Projects like this prove that *quite* clearly, so they should finally STOP and make less fools of themselves. Stick to what it CAN do well: servers! The rest is just plain SILLY.

[MrStanaland]

First: You *did* defend the Macbook, but I was wrong to assume that it meant you were a regular Mac user.

Second. If you admit that Linux is great on the server...why do you rant against all open source? Your term freetard is an attack on all open source. If you only have a problem with consumer targeted open source, that is different. Because in addition to servers, Linux is doing well as business work stations. Almost every server *and* work station at the company I work at is Linux.

[lin2log]

Uh-huh... sure. And your company does WHAT exactly? Or may I guess??

lol

[eruagnostic]

Well.. that was a complex way to say that you didn't read the release notes. From the Neo_FreeRunner page:

"The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet."

btw... you can write a "t" in Qtopia. Just read the manual.

[lin2log]

"... read the release notes. [...] developers only bla bla"

lol... yeah, that's *perfect*, isn't it?? That way, should anyone EVER (even *years* from now!) point out that it's useless crap with no real future, you always have THAT to fall back on as a defense! Isn't open-source GREAT??

:-))))))

[eruagnostic]

Why do you feel the need for straw man arguments? I never said that. I'm talking about a product released not 2 months ago. Only a moron would think that meant it should still be regarded as a developer tool years from now.

But come back i a few years and see who's laughing.

[lin2log]

"I'm talking about a product released not 2 months ago."

:-D

Oh, going THAT route now are we? Funny, a comparative product, such as the iPhone was *light-years* better after even two WEEKS than the OM... hmmm, what does that say about the whole project and it's alleged potential??

Not much... not much AT ALL, sorry. That's what you and others like you don't get and probably never will.

[lin2log]

Merely because you *personally* identify yourself with such geek-basement-projects and admitting that it's utterly pointless would mean admitting you're headed up the wrong stream... not gonna happen, is it? At least not until you bet your EXISTENCE on it, which you probably have without even getting it!

"But come back i a few years and see who's laughing."

:-))))

Oh, don't you worry. *I* will. YOU won't. Believe you me. You'll get it... maybe.

[jamessnell]

Who's the fool, the fool or the one who tries to reason with him?

I already explained that you have some valid points in your video, but that pretty much all of it is moot given what this is meant as. You're focused on what's effectively a sample application and not at all the end product. The OpenMoko is hardware project with a software framework designed to enable creative people to build software they're interested in on their phone. A valid review would focus on the dev tools.

[lin2log]

*yaaaaaaawn*

Here we go again with the ol' vague bs promises, as always. "But it will come, I swear!" ... uh-huh, sure dude. Like, um.... hmmm... LINUX maybe? Ah... gotcha. Now I see what we're talkin' about.... *snicker*

Dream the dream bro!.

Zero "yipeeee, FREEEE!" open source projects have yet to come anywhere close to proving you right, but if you tell a lie often enough... you know what happens, right?

*sigh* Yet another petty, starry-eyed ego issue. Thank you for proving my point.

[jamessnell]

Some good points, though of course entirely based on it's performance for an end user dis-interested in the development side or the core philosophy.

I think this is a fantastic project. It seems to me the current iteration of the phone is a great first draft of a sort. For me, the idea of getting away from the ridiculous control asserted upon us by our mainstream manufacturers, service providers and software vendors illuminates the significance of this phone.

[lin2log]

"for an end user dis-interested in the development side"

No shit sherlock! It's a friggen PHONE!! I sure DON'T give a rat's ass HOW it works... it just needs to work and this thing plain DOESN'T cut it. It's a cute little freetard project (even tho 400 bucks(!!) is far less than FREE!) that will have it's place in dark basements, be good for an "oooh"-factor at nerd LAN parties, and for pointing a finger at some "evil empire" BS, period. It has ZERO chance at any major commercial success.

[jamessnell]

It's a genuine shame you seem completely unable to see why this is an fantastic project. To remotely purport that the typical phone user would even consider this, demonstrates an unfortunate misunderstanding. Well, at least you're still welcome to your opinion. Regardless of how short-sighted and jaded you may be. Chin up man - if you hate yours so much, please sell it to someone who can appreciate what makes it special. But Making as big of a fuss as you are here isn't good for anyones health.

[lin2log]

I DONT HAVE A MOKO, get it? I'm sick of bullshit peddling. Show me the code, show me the project pages, show me the alpha builds, show me the competent project managers, show me a modicum of sanity, show me a viable business model, show me some restraint on fucking up everything due to petty EGO issues, and most of all show me satisfied users doing something with them, not GEEKS fiddling. Vague BS promises, as always. But it will come, I swear! You just need to enable it with some CLI magic! LOL

[jamessnell]

I keep reposting my reply to this and it seems to keep getting deleted. Interesting.

[lin2log]

"keep getting deleted"

No, actually it's just too sad to be approved. It's the same ol' same ol'... it gets tiring... VERY tiring after a while. One paragraph of that "free the planet" fist-in-the-air bullshit is more than enough, thanks.

[lysbertus]

I think you kind of made your point now. We can all agree that you need an iPhone. You are clearly not the type of guy that want to fool around with his computer or phone a needs something that works out of the box. Some people (like myself) do like to play and hack (that is why I use a Linux laptop and not a macbook, if I wanted something that works without further questions i WOULD buy a macbook). So if this freerunner frustrates you I suggest you give it to me, so we can both be happy.

[lin2log]

LOL! As if you can't a) fiddle in the OS X terminal (guess what... it's UNIX!) or for that matter b) INSTALL LINUX ON A MacBook (Pro). Duuuuh. In fact Macs are the ONLY computer which allows you to install ANY OS (legally) you want. You have therefore outed yourself as someone with NO clue on the subject or any valid arguments. Sorry. And READ THE INFO, I do not own this "phone"! I'm not a complete moron with 400 bucks to waste, thanks.

[Merlin1940]

lysbertus ("clearly not the type of guy that want to fool around with his computer or phone a needs something that works out of the box"), those who spent long time developing to make their own products efficient (as I did in various systems *before* UNIX then in UNIX *before* Linux existed) tend to like products work out of the box and don't *require* fiddling. Yet they often like fiddling - but only when optional and NOT required.

Thu 14 Aug 2008 22:20 GMT

[lysbertus]

It is not wrong of you to have an opinion, in fact it is very good not to listen to other people and make out what you think is good or crap. But don't forget that other people could have an different opinion without one opinion being wrong or right. I was actually happy to see a review that clearly stated the disadvantages of this device in a proper way.

[lin2log]

Who's talking about wrong or right?? Have as many opinion's as you like! It's the nearsighted freetard lemmings that start with the usual and so WORN "argument" along the lines of "But it will be great... SOMEDAY!" that makes you wanna hurl. It's pathetic. The same was said of Linux TEN+ YEARS AGO... and where is it now?? Not even TWO PERCENT (Desktop) market-share... gee, I wonder why? Maybe because we need to WORK and don't want to (HAVE to, with Linux!) dick and hack around all day, thanks.

[spydon]

Arrow keys is really nice to have when you use the terminal! And you know that the software isn't ready yet? When they release it with stable software then it's time for videos like this one. The possibilities with this phone is endless! One guy even built a small wireless boat with it on.

[lin2log]

LOL... yet *another* "isn't ready!" tirade. Man.

And who the hell wants a friggen TERMINAL on his PHONE?? ... ever see a grown woman naked??

[MiteTU]

oooo my goood, you are that stupid!

The software is not ready yet, is it so hard to understand that?

[lin2log]

:-D... that's THEE biggest bs excuse. So when WILL it be "ready"? How do I tell, if not by IT BEING RELEASED? Duh. That's open-source for you... never "done", never ready, always "just wait!!"... sorry, I have a LIFE. I don't have time to wait around for some permanent BETA program full of basement dwelling nerds saying how *great* everything WILL be instead of just plain getting their crap together. Same with Linux and why it will never make it to the desktop in large numbers, sorry.