The 'No healthcare is freedom!' nonsense is part of what I call 'religious capitalism'.
Some people (most libertarians are great examples) hold up laissez-faire capitalism with religious reference. (Even though in practice it FAILS, and it fails HARD. (Hence the deregulated banks needing that taxpayer bailout.)
What can I say... deregulation in economics demonstrably showed NOT to work. Deregulate and you'll feel it in the taxes when more bailouts are needed. Simple as that.
That is the definition of Freedom for Representative King? People have the Freedom to not have access to healthcare. If you asked those uninsured people, if you had complete Freedom to choose health insurance or not to have health insurance, which would you choose? Is their lack of health insurance their free choice?
I'm from S.C. where racism if still rampant....I remember when hospitals serving african americans didn't even stock linen for their patients and told me, as a nurse, to use the same washcloth on everyone!! That was in 1960 and I think it would still happen if they could get away with it. Glad to be out of S.C.
You are making a grave error just attacking Republicans and so-called "conservatives;" there is NO freedom in the evil United States, and we are being poisoned, dumbed down, and robbed by thieving corporate fascists. Obama is the most dangerous man on earth, and our government is run by Goldman Sachs and friedns while our fine young men are being sent to be slaughtered in unnecessary wars. WAKE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!
Are you faling for the deception that says Republicans and Democrats are two different parties? They may differ in wording and stylke, but make no mistake: they both serve corporate fascists, and are NOT representatives of the people. By the way, the beginning of our failed foreign poloicy was created by the appalling Woodrow Wilson, way back in 1913, who also gave us the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and the idea that God is on AMERICA'S side.
I was taught that by my government teacher. Not in that way I described. I don't teach anything like that to my students. I know your goal was to criticize and dismiss me just because I don't have strict conservative views about healthcare. Stop looking at this society only through a white middle class perspective and then you can talk to me.
Isn't that what america is built on? The hard working "middle class"? Truthfully there is more of us than there is of them! We are only puppets held up by corprate strings! The only thread that is saving your ass. What if everyone took the day off simultaneously? Rich white america would surely feel the sting of that angry bee!!!!
I work full-time, am a 43-year-old college grad, and I am uninsured. Where does anybody get the idea that everybody has a 'right' to a health insurance policy? From where does this 'right' come. I'm not complaining. I do understand that I could die earlier, and that is a risk, but I take it. Why is it a shock that a lot of people don't have health insurance? I'm frankly surprised at how many do have it. For many it is largely a scam. Don't throw money indiscriminately at that industry.
The idea of a "right" to health insurance comes from morality. Is it ok to let someone die when we are perfectly capable of saving them just because they don't have enough money? Insurance companies are doing this by denying people's claims because of bull shit pre existing conditions, and hospitals are refusing to provide treatment to these people. It is morally wrong, and that is one reason why we need to fix our health care system.
Its barbaric with all out medical wonders to deny somebody a treatment. Why do people with money deserve to live more than poor people? Does that sound ethical to you? Does that sound civilized to you? Maybe you don't think you have the right to be healthy and think you are inferior to people with money but its not true. Every human life is valuable. You may be healthy now, but what about when you are older? Treatments are out there, and no one should have the right to deny a sick person health
than they actually need because dfacs said they would pay up to a certain amount-i now turn down dfacs estimate request because this happens so much-i work 60-70 hrs a week and barely get by while the same people month after month get free repairs from dfacs and i know a lot of these people-they don't need it-clean up system bottom to top and we won't need publc option ins. although we do need major change.
continue from last comment-dems and republicans have had opportunity to change things but chose not to-you think i would be for public option but i am not-we need something but not this-how about seriously getting jobs back over here-people who play the system off of it-check any store in our state that takes ebt they can tell you how with the cash option the people buy beer and cigarettes-dfacs repairs vehicles for some and they take advantage of it-they have ask me to give estimates higher
first i am not a democrat or republican but a taxpaying citizen-i am 48 years old and have been working since i was 15-i have insurance with a 10 grand deductible and is 512 a month-am on no medicine but i am a diabetic-went in hospital last year and am paying what insurance did not which is almost 11 grand-i do believe it costs to much but when i see what i do it's no wonder their are people who desperately need healthcare but can't afford it and i have no problem in helping provide it
Some people can afford healthcare but choose not too. I am Independent, and while I think most, not all, but most Republicans that support the Interstate Commerce mentioned in the Constitution just have to oppose their enemy Democrats. While this clause has been abused like most the Articles in the Constitution, I think we should try to get back to sound money and allow Insurance companies to compete across state lines, as no company can compete with the gvmt.
more freedom means less choice according to the right wing. Look at everyone fall in line with this reasoning, internalizing it, those "freedom" loving right wingers would scream about how free they are every step of the way towards the oven.
We all know the public option has flaws, but doing nothing has even more flaws. The public option itself is a big compromise already. A public option is a way of bringing universal healthcare without having a complete take over to the health industry. And also people forget that one of our unalienable rights also include the right to life not just liberty. We spend trillions on protecting our liberty but when it comes to protecting our life or health, then expense becomes an issue.
The fucking for profit Health Insurers just love Medicare--the government reimburses them for all their high end policyholders over 65, you fucking dumbasses.
The commentator is a moron. Jim DeMint's answer was decent but the other cat they stopped - not so much... Name one thing the government does SO WELL that we must turn over our health care system and another 1/6th of our economy to their control. Is it education? not a chance, is it medicare and medicaid? Both of those programs are bankrupt, we're just robbing future generations to pay for them. Think of your service you get at the DMV or IRS, you want THAT type of service in health care?
worst? are you out of your mind??? people come here from all over the world for health care. When the chips are down, this is where they want to be! Why is that? We have been the world leaders in innovation and patient care. Privately run health care encourages that innovation and research. I don't understand why anyone would think that the US has a system that is even REMOTELY bad. It's laughable.
Oh, you LOSE the intellectual battle and resort to namecalling - nice. CUBA??? HAHAHAHAHA Head to Havana, take Michael Moore and Sean Penn along... Maybe invite Obama??? PLEASE??? You guys can bask in your red Caribbean paradise, just don't get sick - It's a LONG swim to Miami!
Jaxco - Michael Moore HAS been to Cuba - along with members of the FDNY who were on the ground during 9/11. Those members of the FDNY were able to receive treatment in Cuba for their 9/11-related illnesses that they could not receive in the U.S. It is a statistical fact that our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind Cuba. How's that for an intellectual battle?
I hear more stories of insurance companies sending their clients out of the US for minor surgeries and dental work because it's cheaper. As for leading innovation and care... I guess when it's so costly as to send you into bankruptcy people have a tendency to think that.
I don't believe the system is PERFECT by any stretch of the imagination but, that being said I have not been impressed with the way the government has run/ruined medicare and medicaid and other programs we have entrusted them with that they are not ready, nor fiscally responsible to take this workload upon themselves. Why must we rush into this when, for a FRACTION of the cost, we could simply give vouchers for private health insurance policies already available.
Medicare and Medicaid are going broke because of rising health care costs and fraud. We must rush because it'll get put on the back shelf like is has been for the last 20 years. The solution of waiting is the status quo and the status quo has worked thus far. Please explain you "voucher" theory and how would this fix anything?
Vouchers for insurance coverage would allow people to select a policy that suits their personal needs, that keeps the power in their control. If people were allowed to shop across state lines for insurance they would have over 1700 choices of companies RIGHT NOW. Getting tort reform in place would reduce costs as well, too few characters allowed here for a decent explanation.
I doubt vouchers would work only because it'd be too complicated. They'd actually be tax credits that people could use towards health care but what do they do before Jan. 1? I agree with shopping across state lines...this would ensure competition but again this would be very complicated as states have their own health laws and requirements. I agree with tort reform but it's been proven that this would save a very, very small amount. I'd rather have single payer.
We've got to agree to disagree about single payer. Actually the cost of the lawsuits and malpractice insurance premiums are extremely high, in some specialty fields, they are astronomical. The very poor would be subsidized - as they are now under medicaid except with private insurance, the choices in care would be opened up for a smaller burden to the taxpayer. In government, profit is not a concern, therefore, fraud and waste are rampant and often unchecked.
The FBI did a study on that and found that it was 1% and less of the cost. While I do agree with having some sort of tort reform, it's the least of the evils - just a scapegoat for soaring costs.
According to the CBO, tort liability accounts for, at most, 0.5 percent of health care costs. In every state where malpractice suits have dropped, insurance rates have tripled. Tort reform, although it would help a litte, is a red herring. I personally, have no problem paying a few extra dollars a month to help those out who are less fortunate. Health care used to be non-profit and I believe this is the only way to drop costs. It's not necessary to make money on everything.
The problem with insurance being sold across state lines as a solution is: think of what the credit card companies have done. They use influence to get one state to loosen the laws or write them in favor for the company, then all the companies move their headquarters to that state and virtually all the insurance in the country then falls under those laws as that is where the contracts originate.
So, if say; Montana, were to make it easy to deny coverage and raise rates then all the insurance companies would move their headquarters there and all the insurance sold from there would fall under those state laws and the other states could do nothing about it.
There would then be a race to the bottom as the rest of the sates tried to adjust their laws in hope of getting a precious company with its high cash flow for the state books and few jobs to move to their state in a situation where the company would have all the leverage.
The companies come out all the winner they can virtually go from state to state and play one against the other. "well Kansas says that they WILL allow us to .... so if you want our headquarters in your state." That is exactly what happened with credit cards and the reason state usury laws became virtually obsolete when places like S. Dakota stared to allow credit cards to charge whatever they wished.
The way it is now, if an insurance company wants to make money in any particular state, they must sell FROM that state and be subject to its laws. That damned 'States Rights' junk is used for more bad than good, and when anyone trots it out it usually means trouble. Now if the companies were heavily regulated at the federal level, and with high federal standards to meet that would by-pass state laws, then it might be OK, but single payer is best.
Actually in many states they don't even have to go that far. They can sell from another state as long as they obey all of the regulations of the state they do business in. So the "selling across state lines" argument is actually about removing regulations, not about the actual ability to sell across state lines.
How about organizing individual states to collaborate and combine their regulations to match? This would allow insurance companies in different states to operate freely across state lines, but wouldn't result in a regulatory race to the bottom the way credit cards all locate in Delaware for the most lax regulations.
It's far from perfect. In fact, it's the price for it that is out of control, with questionable results. The US spends the Most GDP in the world for it, 2.4 trillion a year. The average life expectancy in the US is shorter than most European countries. In part, it because of the rapid inflation of health which has affected medicare and medicare, which millions of people rely upon as their only source of health care coverage. As for the rush on it, see what happened in 1992 under Clinton.
I may be an "A-hole" but I am no liar. I have many relatives in Montreal and their opinion of Canada's system would make my opinion of Canada's system seem flattering. I believe you MUST be too young to actually appreciate what we actually DO have here. I have traveled several places in the Western Hemisphere and I have seen what other countries have. We are so far ahead of the curve it is truly humbling when you get that sense of appreciation for the differences.
That's all you have? What is your obsession with my genitalia? These numbers you are spewing are lies that someone has poisoned your mind with. Put down the bong, stop playing World of Warcraft, get out of your moms basement, get a job, then the realities of life will start to sink in.
I do appreciate that not every Republicant response is "9/11!!!!!!!! DERP!" these days. At least they're talking about freedom. Are they referring to France? I have trouble telling anymore.
Kucinich is usually on point with most things. he gets a bad wrap from his own party cause he doesn't always fall in line and he speaks his mind. Hence him asking for Bush to be impeached for "signing statements"... oh wait Obama has already done that as well when he said he wasn't going to.... Wait a minute! it's almost like these politicians are all a bunch of unflushable turds!
You don't get King's point. When you have a public option - you are going to have effectively what you have today. A third party (taxpayer) paying patient A's bills, to C. Since the price of healthcare for patient A approaches zero, demand for treatment skyrockets, and thus costing the taxpayer. Any tax imposed takes away from the economic freedom of the payer. You fail to think a certain way, I don't know how to describe it, but you just aren't making these types of connections.
@mopsius--I agree--we need to make serious changes--I do agree with pulling out of Afghan., but I am up in the air about Iraq--it is much further along and a good location
The Young Turks, I would like to see how the democrat senators and representatives would answer. If you want to be a REAL reporter some day, you will stop being so close minded and show both sides of the story.
The fucking republicans were running against themselves in the presidential election with McCain. And now Obama is so fucking stupid he is making himself into Bush Lite?
These Right Wingers are no more than fifteen percent of the population.
@mopsius--agreed--the US is bankrupt and this bill is bad--I am for Ron Paul's solution--I am ex-military and my friends in Iraq and Afghan have never complained and all lean right politically--as for armed rebellion...unlikely, and civil war...u seem ready to go, but not gonna happen-- and furthermore, I don't think ur ready!
Seventy percent of the electorate wants out of both Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.
What lunacy are the Democrats and Obama up to?
Ninety percent of the population, including self-employed and small and middle-sized corporations, will be behind Kucinich's plan once they understand it.
If the Democrats want to commit suicide--so be it.
No Cenk I don't agree with you. If you are voting against health care reform you should know the stats. The insurance companies are paying them so they should know what they are talking about. Texas, my state, has the highest rate at 24.1%. How do I know this? Because I am for health care reform. They are being let off the hook by you on that one.
The House bill is a total botch. The for profit Health Insurers have clearly bought off both sides and have arranged this little show to get what they want, and at the same time spin it as progress.
It is in fact the worst of both worlds, including compelling the purchase of for profit Health Insurance.
the fed govt does not have the constitutional authority to regulate healthcare---furthermore, where is the money going to come from?--increased taxes is the correct answer--this country is looking to the govt for all its answers, and it is fuckin bullshit---the govt is going to wind up telling u what time to go bed, because u couldn't decide that on ur own--as if the gov't doesn't dictate enough of our lives---shit is gettin real crazy and the sheep r more than happy to graze!
Man, you're stupid. You're logic on god basically comes down to "I think it's true, there for it is". Arrogance and being corn fed those beliefs from the cradle is why you feel the way you do about god.
As for your poor reasoning skills over health reform - It is in the constitution, under article 1, section 8, dealing with taxes and the general welfare of the citizens. As to pay for it, cutting military spending, and increasing taxes on the top 1% will pay for it, easily.
I like Kucinich - he's a Democrat, by the way. However, his plan is unrealistic. It basically would be DOA. The Republicans, and blue dog Democrats, would kill it. No question about it. It would gain little support in congress, with the combined might of the insurance lobby and Republicans squashing it. If there is any hope for health reform, a benign public option has the best chance of making it through. Sometime down the road Kucinich plan may be more realistic to obtain, but not now.
This is not much of a debate. Health reform is consistently the second most popular issue among voters, number 1 always being the economy.
Don't confuse the fact that the vast majority of voters want health care reform and that there is a vocal minority(hmm i wonder why they have such a huge percentage of media time i woooonnndeeeerrrrr), this is not a debate.
If it was a debate republicans would offer an alternative, not just keep refusing to agree with anything the black man says.
@mopsius-a couple of points: u like the idea of a not for profit govt hc syst--a) the govt reg of the hc syst is unconst., b) profit is exactly what drives many to achieve more and therefore, great innovations and inventions are made, and c) not govt, but non-profit aka charity hospitals are great if the market is opened up
Essentially you have your head up your ass on both points, censoredmunky88. It is not unconstitutional and it is exactly profit that effectively neutralizes for profit Health Insurance and turns it into one of the biggest frauds in known history.
That is not true of all for profit insurance but hinges on what is insured and how.
IMO, Its so apparent that the republicans (by title only, not by definition) purposely lost the 2008 election, because none of them wanted the responsibility of cleaning up after Bush. In addition they don't want anything positive to pass under Obama. That's the reason they refuse to contribute as well as trying to promote fear and propaganda concerning the democratic bills.
Obama may have to take one from the GWB playbook, F*** everybody and sign it into law...
@ mopsius--u say, "The US is Communism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"--is this in jest?--if not, I can see how this statement might be appealing, however, it doesn't explain many contradictory realities in the US--finally, if ur gonna talk hc reform, then it should be incremental, not sweeping--the 2 headed monster should just pick the points that they agree on, which happen to be fairly big ones, and pass the legislation--do not add any sneaky shit to the law and bang...change has come!
It is a huge issue, so where are the democratic voices? The truth is, republicans have offered an alternative, the loons in the house werent having any part of it. The house bill was written by liberals, for liberals. You think the majority of the country wants a public option? Are you kidding me? If this is what the majority wanted, wouldnt they be making their voice heard to at the steps of washington? Once again, libs turn to race in the heat of debate, please leave external factors out.
Freedom is the freedom of industries, whose revenues match the GDPs of medium-sized countries, to buy or fund think tanks, free market orgs, astroturf groups, PR firms, entire media outlets, and American politicians, in order to confuse an ignorant public into working against their own best interests.
Freedom is the freedom of insurance companies to be guaranteed profits.
Freedom is the freedom of the working class to die.
"They want freedom". Wasn't this the rally cry of the Confederate army? People who fought to protect other peoples money, money they would never see.
I disagree. We're in the middle of one of the biggest political and social debates of many of our lives. If health care reform wasn't a dominant political topic right now, I would NOT expect a senator to know this information, but considering the political landscape today, they SHOULD know this number.
I suspect they did know this information, but were attempting an ethos/pathos response, however without preparation, that attempt failed.
No Democrat has ever dodged a question being asked of him/her. Do you think the politicians in favor of this legislation are going to be on the same program they want to put all of us on? ....And why do you think that is?
Why do I think that is? Because federal employees get federal medical benefits. Its always been that way. They will always have better medical benefits than everybody else. If you pay taxes on a home, you should live in a good home. That doesnt mean you should expect to live in the White House.
The tougher the questions the more the necessity to walk on increases. There should be a name for this or a measurement-like denial by footwork, or shitunderfoot-the basic measurment of foot pace to bullshit ratio!
Exactly if you choose not to go with the public option and instead one of the private insurance companies that already service 190 million people. It's YOUR choice, an option! Your private plan will still exist just like they do now? whats the prblem.. if you don't want the public option don't get it..... as far as your taxes??? wont go up... it's that the private healthcare companies will not get as much tax subsidies like they are now. let them pay for their own shit! lol
I'd imagine most people want health insurance... cause it's handy to be able to pay... for medicine... *sigh*. Fine let yourself die of a minor infection cause you're too good to pay for care. Natural selection at work.
right and if your health problem prevents you from working? or being able to afford the lvl of care you need? What about if you get laid off? What if your depressed ? People that say "natural selection at work" shouldn't even touch a people issue should they? You can't possibly give a shit other then the dear of taking away something from you. You are to misinformed to realized YOUR tax money has gone to subsidize private healthcare for YEARS!
I wasn't bashing to public option... I support it... I was making fun of a guy who said he wanted to choose not to have any insurance at all. Calm down. Read the comments before you rage.
All of these comments on this video seem to be from intelligent, wise, and very fiscally minded Youtube philosophers. I am glad to see there are so many wonderful reasons why this bill should pass. Hell, why doesn't China just annex us now?
Thank god I'm a pothead and have my heads stuck in the clouds most of the day which prevents me from giving a flying fuck about any of this crap. The idiots commenting on here seem really stressed out and angry. Calm the fuck down because none of you are right about anything youre saying. Nobody in america or the world has the answer's. People in america have to change first before anything happens, and I'd love to see that ever happen....fuck you all, hopefully an asteroid kills us soon.
Are you kidding man, if you wanna talk lobbying look no further than these bailout bills that passed. That's a pat on the back from big money, high power friends that the Dems have on wall street.
The words "Freedom" and "Liberty" are the bullshit responses you'll get from politicians and Conservatives when they doesn't have a legitimate or realistic answer.
It is not an answer. It is an invocation. And it is a uniquely American form of invocation that is meant to stifle debate and turn the tables on those who have legitimate questions and concerns. It is like saying "Thus sayeth the Lord" to religious people to discourage them from questioning religious authority.
Americans are indoctrinated to not question "freedom." So the person who claims he is for freedom is almost always unassailable in our country.
Before FOX, people talked about issues, now all the FOXers do is mindlessly repeat empty phrases like "I love my freedom", "I am for the Constitution", "Lock and Load". Political Discussion has been dumbed down. But corrupt politicians love it, let's them get away with murder, which I guess is why the Republicans love FOX.
emergency room is their best answer, well what do you expect form the party of be republicunt or go die. so all of us have to pay the ER charges, lets have unicersal helathcare and not worry about it.
All hospitals are required to do for a prospective sick person is to get that person stable then toss them out of the hospital with a note to go to their personal doc, which most don't have b/c they cannot get insurance and/or they are losing ins due to pre-existing conditions or conditions that become pre-existing after ending up at the hospital. This loads the person in major debt w/ no way to pay for the high-cost bills that brings about bill collectors, which often make the conditions worse.
Ug, I'm from Iowa and Rep, Steve King is such and embarrassment in everything he says and does.
cowhunter101 9 months ago
The 'No healthcare is freedom!' nonsense is part of what I call 'religious capitalism'.
Some people (most libertarians are great examples) hold up laissez-faire capitalism with religious reference. (Even though in practice it FAILS, and it fails HARD. (Hence the deregulated banks needing that taxpayer bailout.)
What can I say... deregulation in economics demonstrably showed NOT to work. Deregulate and you'll feel it in the taxes when more bailouts are needed. Simple as that.
Shavarnarak 11 months ago
demint started the recession
flamethrowerabc 1 year ago 4
That is the definition of Freedom for Representative King? People have the Freedom to not have access to healthcare. If you asked those uninsured people, if you had complete Freedom to choose health insurance or not to have health insurance, which would you choose? Is their lack of health insurance their free choice?
klard 1 year ago
I'm from S.C. where racism if still rampant....I remember when hospitals serving african americans didn't even stock linen for their patients and told me, as a nurse, to use the same washcloth on everyone!! That was in 1960 and I think it would still happen if they could get away with it. Glad to be out of S.C.
glennis3 1 year ago 2
@glennis3 The new segregation is between the rich and the poor. The rich have access to the best lifesaving treatments. The poor get walked on.
Dragonfly6160 1 year ago
TELL THE TRUTH, you lying, dumb sons of bitches!
dukenthaylor 2 years ago
You are making a grave error just attacking Republicans and so-called "conservatives;" there is NO freedom in the evil United States, and we are being poisoned, dumbed down, and robbed by thieving corporate fascists. Obama is the most dangerous man on earth, and our government is run by Goldman Sachs and friedns while our fine young men are being sent to be slaughtered in unnecessary wars. WAKE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!
billyguns2 2 years ago
Funny everything you refer to was created by George Bush aka retard
lespauls61 2 years ago
Are you faling for the deception that says Republicans and Democrats are two different parties? They may differ in wording and stylke, but make no mistake: they both serve corporate fascists, and are NOT representatives of the people. By the way, the beginning of our failed foreign poloicy was created by the appalling Woodrow Wilson, way back in 1913, who also gave us the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and the idea that God is on AMERICA'S side.
billyguns2 2 years ago
Socialism translation by conservatives- taking your white hard owned money and giving to lazy niggers and spics who don't work.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago
i take it that your user name means that you are a teacher? I sure hope your not teaching that nonsense to our youth!!!
SakkLunch 2 years ago
I was taught that by my government teacher. Not in that way I described. I don't teach anything like that to my students. I know your goal was to criticize and dismiss me just because I don't have strict conservative views about healthcare. Stop looking at this society only through a white middle class perspective and then you can talk to me.
luvs2teach00 2 years ago 3
Isn't that what america is built on? The hard working "middle class"? Truthfully there is more of us than there is of them! We are only puppets held up by corprate strings! The only thread that is saving your ass. What if everyone took the day off simultaneously? Rich white america would surely feel the sting of that angry bee!!!!
SakkLunch 2 years ago
I work full-time, am a 43-year-old college grad, and I am uninsured. Where does anybody get the idea that everybody has a 'right' to a health insurance policy? From where does this 'right' come. I'm not complaining. I do understand that I could die earlier, and that is a risk, but I take it. Why is it a shock that a lot of people don't have health insurance? I'm frankly surprised at how many do have it. For many it is largely a scam. Don't throw money indiscriminately at that industry.
briteness 2 years ago
The idea of a "right" to health insurance comes from morality. Is it ok to let someone die when we are perfectly capable of saving them just because they don't have enough money? Insurance companies are doing this by denying people's claims because of bull shit pre existing conditions, and hospitals are refusing to provide treatment to these people. It is morally wrong, and that is one reason why we need to fix our health care system.
nate3145 2 years ago 14
Its barbaric with all out medical wonders to deny somebody a treatment. Why do people with money deserve to live more than poor people? Does that sound ethical to you? Does that sound civilized to you? Maybe you don't think you have the right to be healthy and think you are inferior to people with money but its not true. Every human life is valuable. You may be healthy now, but what about when you are older? Treatments are out there, and no one should have the right to deny a sick person health
nignog9097 2 years ago 16
Typical crackers!
SakkLunch 2 years ago
Ok?
nignog9097 2 years ago
most politicans suck donkey dick and lick donkey poop from their ass
betsall 2 years ago
than they actually need because dfacs said they would pay up to a certain amount-i now turn down dfacs estimate request because this happens so much-i work 60-70 hrs a week and barely get by while the same people month after month get free repairs from dfacs and i know a lot of these people-they don't need it-clean up system bottom to top and we won't need publc option ins. although we do need major change.
MHENSON254 2 years ago
continue from last comment-dems and republicans have had opportunity to change things but chose not to-you think i would be for public option but i am not-we need something but not this-how about seriously getting jobs back over here-people who play the system off of it-check any store in our state that takes ebt they can tell you how with the cash option the people buy beer and cigarettes-dfacs repairs vehicles for some and they take advantage of it-they have ask me to give estimates higher
MHENSON254 2 years ago
first i am not a democrat or republican but a taxpaying citizen-i am 48 years old and have been working since i was 15-i have insurance with a 10 grand deductible and is 512 a month-am on no medicine but i am a diabetic-went in hospital last year and am paying what insurance did not which is almost 11 grand-i do believe it costs to much but when i see what i do it's no wonder their are people who desperately need healthcare but can't afford it and i have no problem in helping provide it
MHENSON254 2 years ago
Some people can afford healthcare but choose not too. I am Independent, and while I think most, not all, but most Republicans that support the Interstate Commerce mentioned in the Constitution just have to oppose their enemy Democrats. While this clause has been abused like most the Articles in the Constitution, I think we should try to get back to sound money and allow Insurance companies to compete across state lines, as no company can compete with the gvmt.
Regulation = Keep regular
FreeMarketForces 2 years ago
more freedom means less choice according to the right wing. Look at everyone fall in line with this reasoning, internalizing it, those "freedom" loving right wingers would scream about how free they are every step of the way towards the oven.
lanceshitheadnada 2 years ago
"That don't make no kinda sense" I say that all the time!!!
JosephCheetah 2 years ago
We all know the public option has flaws, but doing nothing has even more flaws. The public option itself is a big compromise already. A public option is a way of bringing universal healthcare without having a complete take over to the health industry. And also people forget that one of our unalienable rights also include the right to life not just liberty. We spend trillions on protecting our liberty but when it comes to protecting our life or health, then expense becomes an issue.
ez3002008 2 years ago 2
Okay I have freedom, I want all my humans rights thank you. * holds out hands*
FireScorpion343 2 years ago
The fucking for profit Health Insurers just love Medicare--the government reimburses them for all their high end policyholders over 65, you fucking dumbasses.
mopsius 2 years ago
The for profit Health Insurers take all the lowest risk pools and dump the rest on the public.
That is even what the fucking emergency room care is about.
It is one of the biggest financial scams in known history.
mopsius 2 years ago
Seventy per cent of all for profit Health Insurance premiums go for executive salaries and advertising.
That alone is $700 BILLION per year.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Funny thing is no one has called that Fort Hood thing what it really was--FRAG.
mopsius 2 years ago
The commentator is a moron. Jim DeMint's answer was decent but the other cat they stopped - not so much... Name one thing the government does SO WELL that we must turn over our health care system and another 1/6th of our economy to their control. Is it education? not a chance, is it medicare and medicaid? Both of those programs are bankrupt, we're just robbing future generations to pay for them. Think of your service you get at the DMV or IRS, you want THAT type of service in health care?
jaxco1 2 years ago
What "health care system", jaxco1. It is one of the worst in the world, moron.
mopsius 2 years ago
worst? are you out of your mind??? people come here from all over the world for health care. When the chips are down, this is where they want to be! Why is that? We have been the world leaders in innovation and patient care. Privately run health care encourages that innovation and research. I don't understand why anyone would think that the US has a system that is even REMOTELY bad. It's laughable.
jaxco1 2 years ago
You have your head up your ass, you jingo moron.
Cuba has better health care than the US.
The statistics prove it.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Oh, you LOSE the intellectual battle and resort to namecalling - nice. CUBA??? HAHAHAHAHA Head to Havana, take Michael Moore and Sean Penn along... Maybe invite Obama??? PLEASE??? You guys can bask in your red Caribbean paradise, just don't get sick - It's a LONG swim to Miami!
jaxco1 2 years ago
Oooo-oooo, the intellectual battle--HAHAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Calling you a moron, jaxco1, was the gentlest and most considerate form of understatement.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
You MUST be under 25, no-one any older could be so naive, misinformed and inexperienced.
jaxco1 2 years ago
Whatever you say, jaxco1.
If you bet your balls on it--or if you are female, some analogous part of your anatomy--you would now be walking around stooped over and tweeting.
mopsius 2 years ago
Here lies jaxco1's testicles. RIP.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Sometimes these responses take time to sink in.
Take two Darvon and go to bed.
Sweet dreams.
mopsius 2 years ago
You're either very young, or hopeless. Which is it?
jaxco1 2 years ago
"very young or hopeless".
Vel or aut, jaxco1.
You just lost the rest of your genitalia, or are you more along the lines of something out of Blake?
"Hope" is for morons like you.
mopsius 2 years ago
Jaxco - Michael Moore HAS been to Cuba - along with members of the FDNY who were on the ground during 9/11. Those members of the FDNY were able to receive treatment in Cuba for their 9/11-related illnesses that they could not receive in the U.S. It is a statistical fact that our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind Cuba. How's that for an intellectual battle?
technicschic 2 years ago
France's and Germany's and Italy's Health care leave the US in the fucking dust.
mopsius 2 years ago
Even Britain's Health Care is far better than the US.
mopsius 2 years ago
I hear more stories of insurance companies sending their clients out of the US for minor surgeries and dental work because it's cheaper. As for leading innovation and care... I guess when it's so costly as to send you into bankruptcy people have a tendency to think that.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
I don't believe the system is PERFECT by any stretch of the imagination but, that being said I have not been impressed with the way the government has run/ruined medicare and medicaid and other programs we have entrusted them with that they are not ready, nor fiscally responsible to take this workload upon themselves. Why must we rush into this when, for a FRACTION of the cost, we could simply give vouchers for private health insurance policies already available.
jaxco1 2 years ago
Medicare and Medicaid are going broke because of rising health care costs and fraud. We must rush because it'll get put on the back shelf like is has been for the last 20 years. The solution of waiting is the status quo and the status quo has worked thus far. Please explain you "voucher" theory and how would this fix anything?
passenger9411 2 years ago
The for profits design the risk pools to collect the most profits.
They sell flood insurance to mountain top dwellers and then still cancel insured, legally and illegally, when they prove to be an expense.
They volunteer to insure children because children are a low risk group.
They dump the aged and high risk pools on the government.
For profit Health Insurance is how the US got Health Insurance that is not Health Insurance.
mopsius 2 years ago
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mopsius 2 years ago
Hi passenger,
Vouchers for insurance coverage would allow people to select a policy that suits their personal needs, that keeps the power in their control. If people were allowed to shop across state lines for insurance they would have over 1700 choices of companies RIGHT NOW. Getting tort reform in place would reduce costs as well, too few characters allowed here for a decent explanation.
jaxco1 2 years ago
I doubt vouchers would work only because it'd be too complicated. They'd actually be tax credits that people could use towards health care but what do they do before Jan. 1? I agree with shopping across state lines...this would ensure competition but again this would be very complicated as states have their own health laws and requirements. I agree with tort reform but it's been proven that this would save a very, very small amount. I'd rather have single payer.
passenger9411 2 years ago
We've got to agree to disagree about single payer. Actually the cost of the lawsuits and malpractice insurance premiums are extremely high, in some specialty fields, they are astronomical. The very poor would be subsidized - as they are now under medicaid except with private insurance, the choices in care would be opened up for a smaller burden to the taxpayer. In government, profit is not a concern, therefore, fraud and waste are rampant and often unchecked.
jaxco1 2 years ago
penis.
aiden9003 2 years ago
lol reandomness.
FireScorpion343 2 years ago
The FBI did a study on that and found that it was 1% and less of the cost. While I do agree with having some sort of tort reform, it's the least of the evils - just a scapegoat for soaring costs.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
According to the CBO, tort liability accounts for, at most, 0.5 percent of health care costs. In every state where malpractice suits have dropped, insurance rates have tripled. Tort reform, although it would help a litte, is a red herring. I personally, have no problem paying a few extra dollars a month to help those out who are less fortunate. Health care used to be non-profit and I believe this is the only way to drop costs. It's not necessary to make money on everything.
passenger9411 2 years ago 2
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The problem with insurance being sold across state lines as a solution is: think of what the credit card companies have done. They use influence to get one state to loosen the laws or write them in favor for the company, then all the companies move their headquarters to that state and virtually all the insurance in the country then falls under those laws as that is where the contracts originate.
Rundstedt1 2 years ago
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So, if say; Montana, were to make it easy to deny coverage and raise rates then all the insurance companies would move their headquarters there and all the insurance sold from there would fall under those state laws and the other states could do nothing about it.
Rundstedt1 2 years ago
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There would then be a race to the bottom as the rest of the sates tried to adjust their laws in hope of getting a precious company with its high cash flow for the state books and few jobs to move to their state in a situation where the company would have all the leverage.
Rundstedt1 2 years ago
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The companies come out all the winner they can virtually go from state to state and play one against the other. "well Kansas says that they WILL allow us to .... so if you want our headquarters in your state." That is exactly what happened with credit cards and the reason state usury laws became virtually obsolete when places like S. Dakota stared to allow credit cards to charge whatever they wished.
Rundstedt1 2 years ago
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The way it is now, if an insurance company wants to make money in any particular state, they must sell FROM that state and be subject to its laws. That damned 'States Rights' junk is used for more bad than good, and when anyone trots it out it usually means trouble. Now if the companies were heavily regulated at the federal level, and with high federal standards to meet that would by-pass state laws, then it might be OK, but single payer is best.
Rundstedt1 2 years ago
Actually in many states they don't even have to go that far. They can sell from another state as long as they obey all of the regulations of the state they do business in. So the "selling across state lines" argument is actually about removing regulations, not about the actual ability to sell across state lines.
comradepinko 2 years ago
How about organizing individual states to collaborate and combine their regulations to match? This would allow insurance companies in different states to operate freely across state lines, but wouldn't result in a regulatory race to the bottom the way credit cards all locate in Delaware for the most lax regulations.
comradepinko 2 years ago
It's far from perfect. In fact, it's the price for it that is out of control, with questionable results. The US spends the Most GDP in the world for it, 2.4 trillion a year. The average life expectancy in the US is shorter than most European countries. In part, it because of the rapid inflation of health which has affected medicare and medicare, which millions of people rely upon as their only source of health care coverage. As for the rush on it, see what happened in 1992 under Clinton.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
One thiurd of that $2.4 trillion goes for for profit Health Insurers salaries and advertising.
Got it, EdyKelDev
mopsius 2 years ago
And you know what the Americans who buy that Health insurance, including the corporations and self-employed, get for it?
Fucked.
mopsius 2 years ago
Actually more Americans go to Canada than the reverse. In fact the US government reimburses them for any treatment.
Assholes like jaxco1 are lying through their teeth.
mopsius 2 years ago
I may be an "A-hole" but I am no liar. I have many relatives in Montreal and their opinion of Canada's system would make my opinion of Canada's system seem flattering. I believe you MUST be too young to actually appreciate what we actually DO have here. I have traveled several places in the Western Hemisphere and I have seen what other countries have. We are so far ahead of the curve it is truly humbling when you get that sense of appreciation for the differences.
jaxco1 2 years ago
You lost your dick and balls, jaxco1,now you lose your dumb ass as well.
Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate and a higher longevity rate than the US, you slobbering fucking moron.
And that is with everything, including the embargo, against them.
The US is not even close to France and Germany in either Health Insurance or care.
One in five of people who die under treatment he US die of iatrogenic causes. That means the doctors or hospitals fucked up.
More than 700,000 per year.
mopsius 2 years ago
That's all you have? What is your obsession with my genitalia? These numbers you are spewing are lies that someone has poisoned your mind with. Put down the bong, stop playing World of Warcraft, get out of your moms basement, get a job, then the realities of life will start to sink in.
jaxco1 2 years ago
jaxco1--all those numbers are documented. You are a fucking liar--lying through your fucking teeth.
You probably work for the fpr profit Health Insurance terrorists.
Do outfit hit men kill the poor and the sick and the weak.
The for profit Health Insurers do it every fucking day--for money and for no other reason.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
hit that bong boy...
jaxco1 2 years ago
Your day is coming jaxco1.
Sure as shooting.
mopsius 2 years ago
In fact, jaxco,1, I don't debate assholes like you and these fucking Republicans and also the bought off Democrats.
What goes around comes around.
And that is nothing to be debated about.
mopsius 2 years ago
Obama works for the Federal Reserve Bank. Look it up on YouTube.
MyGrassroots 2 years ago
does "ANYONE"??? REALLY know what time it is???!!!
slickerflicker 2 years ago
hahaha!! I thought the Commercial was real and that was the Republican tape...LOL!!
Libitina72 2 years ago
I do appreciate that not every Republicant response is "9/11!!!!!!!! DERP!" these days. At least they're talking about freedom. Are they referring to France? I have trouble telling anymore.
beriukay 2 years ago
The foi profit Health Insurers skim trillions of the economy.
They sell vaporware.
They they buy the government with their profits.
Are they going to export for profit Health Insurance to China?
Kucinich has the only sane plan. It would actually help the real economy.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Kucinich is usually on point with most things. he gets a bad wrap from his own party cause he doesn't always fall in line and he speaks his mind. Hence him asking for Bush to be impeached for "signing statements"... oh wait Obama has already done that as well when he said he wasn't going to.... Wait a minute! it's almost like these politicians are all a bunch of unflushable turds!
3goals4bonzai 2 years ago
Exactly.
mopsius 2 years ago
You don't get King's point. When you have a public option - you are going to have effectively what you have today. A third party (taxpayer) paying patient A's bills, to C. Since the price of healthcare for patient A approaches zero, demand for treatment skyrockets, and thus costing the taxpayer. Any tax imposed takes away from the economic freedom of the payer. You fail to think a certain way, I don't know how to describe it, but you just aren't making these types of connections.
Tuneman100 2 years ago
You have your head up your ass, Tuneman100.
mopsius 2 years ago
Very good way to simply explain this
jaxco1 2 years ago
Only 11 percent of US workers workers are employed in industries that export and all they make is not in fact exported.
The mainland Chinese just started giving large loans to African countries to buy their products.
Ring a bell?
mopsius 2 years ago
The US is an economic and financial basket case.
The financial might be curable if the real economy were sound. But the economy is systematically fucked up almost beyond repair.
mopsius 2 years ago
@mopsius--I agree--we need to make serious changes--I do agree with pulling out of Afghan., but I am up in the air about Iraq--it is much further along and a good location
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
The Young Turks, I would like to see how the democrat senators and representatives would answer. If you want to be a REAL reporter some day, you will stop being so close minded and show both sides of the story.
MrPatriot92 2 years ago
Fine, Obama was bought off.
But there is no need for him to stay bought.
mopsius 2 years ago
Most of the troops themselves want out of Afghanistan--as quickly as possible.
mopsius 2 years ago
While it's true that the afghan war is unpopular, all the death and money that was put into it should not be wasted for nothing.
And the right is not dead, just fractured. It would be idiotic to count them out as a political party.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
Eight fucking years of incompetence in Afghanistan.
And it will get worse.
If Obama goes in that direction he is toast.
Mark my words.
So is the US.
Iraq is worse than Vietnam and Afghanistan is worse that Iraq.
These were Bush's and Cheney's wars and if Obama makes them his he is done for.
mopsius 2 years ago
The fucking republicans were running against themselves in the presidential election with McCain. And now Obama is so fucking stupid he is making himself into Bush Lite?
These Right Wingers are no more than fifteen percent of the population.
mopsius 2 years ago
@mopsius--agreed--the US is bankrupt and this bill is bad--I am for Ron Paul's solution--I am ex-military and my friends in Iraq and Afghan have never complained and all lean right politically--as for armed rebellion...unlikely, and civil war...u seem ready to go, but not gonna happen-- and furthermore, I don't think ur ready!
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
Ron Paul is a jiveass weasel.
He was financed by the Neo-Cons to defuse the antiwar vote, dumbass.
mopsius 2 years ago
lol
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
You are a dumbass, censoremunky88--a real dumbass.
Ready for civil awar, HAHAHAHA. No one is ever ready for civil war--and both sides lose.
mopsius 2 years ago
But it is the end of the US in the process.
USD has collapsed.
mopsius 2 years ago
As VOLUNTEERS, isn't it their duty to cast political ideological differences aside for the sake of our armed forces?
phillip42 2 years ago
Don't kid yourself, ninety percent of volunteers go into the military because they can find no other jobs.
Economically it is designed that way.
I
mopsius 2 years ago
Then the brass and the Neo-Cons throw them away and say, "Well, you volunteered, didn't you?"
mopsius 2 years ago
The real kick in the ass is that once in their enlistments are often extended so many of them are in worse shape than draftees.
And no one gives a shit.
mopsius 2 years ago
And if Obama is idiotic to send more troops to Afghanistan--he is toast.
mopsius 2 years ago
Seventy percent of the electorate wants out of both Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.
What lunacy are the Democrats and Obama up to?
Ninety percent of the population, including self-employed and small and middle-sized corporations, will be behind Kucinich's plan once they understand it.
If the Democrats want to commit suicide--so be it.
mopsius 2 years ago
No Cenk I don't agree with you. If you are voting against health care reform you should know the stats. The insurance companies are paying them so they should know what they are talking about. Texas, my state, has the highest rate at 24.1%. How do I know this? Because I am for health care reform. They are being let off the hook by you on that one.
goku2525 2 years ago
The House bill is a total botch. The for profit Health Insurers have clearly bought off both sides and have arranged this little show to get what they want, and at the same time spin it as progress.
It is in fact the worst of both worlds, including compelling the purchase of for profit Health Insurance.
mopsius 2 years ago
Freedom for getting private insurers richer. :P
TheCastellan 2 years ago
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willsbanana 2 years ago
If he had answered a question you would have ridiculed him.
willsbanana 2 years ago
I agree--it is time to stop debating and parrying with the Right Wing.
Just exterminate them--excise them from the body politic.
This crap is a waste of time.
mopsius 2 years ago
Republicans are destroying this country.
SixFeetUndr101 2 years ago
the fed govt does not have the constitutional authority to regulate healthcare---furthermore, where is the money going to come from?--increased taxes is the correct answer--this country is looking to the govt for all its answers, and it is fuckin bullshit---the govt is going to wind up telling u what time to go bed, because u couldn't decide that on ur own--as if the gov't doesn't dictate enough of our lives---shit is gettin real crazy and the sheep r more than happy to graze!
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
Man, you're stupid. You're logic on god basically comes down to "I think it's true, there for it is". Arrogance and being corn fed those beliefs from the cradle is why you feel the way you do about god.
As for your poor reasoning skills over health reform - It is in the constitution, under article 1, section 8, dealing with taxes and the general welfare of the citizens. As to pay for it, cutting military spending, and increasing taxes on the top 1% will pay for it, easily.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
Kucinich's plan is to declare the whole population the risk pool and establish a non-fprofit Federal Corporation as the insurer.
Because of the size of the risk pool it will bring down average Health Insurance to a tenth of what they are now.
It actually might generate a surpluse.
It certainly will pay for itself.
The Democrat bill is a compete and vicious botch.
mopsius 2 years ago
It is time to disconnect for profit Health Insurers from life support.
They are too expensive.
mopsius 2 years ago
One third of for profit Health Insurances goes for executive salaries and advenrtizing.
That alone is $700 billion per year.
mopsius 2 years ago
Much more money than they deserve.
TheCastellan 2 years ago
Actually the whole method of for profit Health Insurance is against the basic concept of insurance in the first place, which is shared risk.
In effect by constructing risk pool classes and canceling policies the for profits are selling flood insurance to mountaintop dwellers.
They know exactly what they are doing and they use every device, legal and illegal, to maximize profit and minimize risk.
mopsius 2 years ago
Not all profit insurance is similarly fraudulent.
The for profit Health Insurers are terrorists, murderers, and con men.
mopsius 2 years ago
I like Kucinich - he's a Democrat, by the way. However, his plan is unrealistic. It basically would be DOA. The Republicans, and blue dog Democrats, would kill it. No question about it. It would gain little support in congress, with the combined might of the insurance lobby and Republicans squashing it. If there is any hope for health reform, a benign public option has the best chance of making it through. Sometime down the road Kucinich plan may be more realistic to obtain, but not now.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
Nope--the House Bill is actually not only regressive but viciously so.
It has to be deep-sixed.
Kucincih's plan would actually help the economy.
The House bill will be an economic disaster.
Fuck benign--the US is thirty years behind every other industrialized country
Get some fucking balls.
mopsius 2 years ago
This House Bill will also be a disaster--a fucking, active, unmitigated disaster--for the Democrats.
Get some fucking brains.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ Edy--arrogance...gotta love the irony!
@mopsius--exterminate...too funny!
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
That's right, censoredmunky88--exterminate.
One way or another the Right Wing is toast.
Whether or not Obama is toast too.
You just have not figured it out yet.
There is going to be no Nixon after LBJ, if that is the way Obama goes.
mopsius 2 years ago
The Us is already bankrupt.
Another Religious Right and Neo-Con presidential administration leads inevitably to civil war.
mopsius 2 years ago
January 2002 oil = $19 per barrel
August 2008 oil = $147 per barrel
mopsius 2 years ago
@ censoredmunky88
and...
...is that the only response you can come up with? Sad.
EdyKelDev 2 years ago
The Right is done--over-Kaputt.
The teabaggers want to raise an armed rebellion--go ahead.
The sooner the better.
mopsius 2 years ago
This is not much of a debate. Health reform is consistently the second most popular issue among voters, number 1 always being the economy.
Don't confuse the fact that the vast majority of voters want health care reform and that there is a vocal minority(hmm i wonder why they have such a huge percentage of media time i woooonnndeeeerrrrr), this is not a debate.
If it was a debate republicans would offer an alternative, not just keep refusing to agree with anything the black man says.
lanceshitheadnada 2 years ago 2
The US is a predatory Capitalist warfare state.
The US is Communism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor.
The US is from each according to need, to each according to excess.
mopsius 2 years ago
@mopsius-a couple of points: u like the idea of a not for profit govt hc syst--a) the govt reg of the hc syst is unconst., b) profit is exactly what drives many to achieve more and therefore, great innovations and inventions are made, and c) not govt, but non-profit aka charity hospitals are great if the market is opened up
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
Essentially you have your head up your ass on both points, censoredmunky88. It is not unconstitutional and it is exactly profit that effectively neutralizes for profit Health Insurance and turns it into one of the biggest frauds in known history.
That is not true of all for profit insurance but hinges on what is insured and how.
mopsius 2 years ago
IMO, Its so apparent that the republicans (by title only, not by definition) purposely lost the 2008 election, because none of them wanted the responsibility of cleaning up after Bush. In addition they don't want anything positive to pass under Obama. That's the reason they refuse to contribute as well as trying to promote fear and propaganda concerning the democratic bills.
Obama may have to take one from the GWB playbook, F*** everybody and sign it into law...
gmcmudder1 2 years ago
And Obama so far, and many Democrats, seem only too eager to emulate Bush and Cheney--lite version anyway.
In fact the Republicans were indeed running against themselves.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius--u say, "The US is Communism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor"--is this in jest?--if not, I can see how this statement might be appealing, however, it doesn't explain many contradictory realities in the US--finally, if ur gonna talk hc reform, then it should be incremental, not sweeping--the 2 headed monster should just pick the points that they agree on, which happen to be fairly big ones, and pass the legislation--do not add any sneaky shit to the law and bang...change has come!
censoredmunky88 2 years ago
It is a huge issue, so where are the democratic voices? The truth is, republicans have offered an alternative, the loons in the house werent having any part of it. The house bill was written by liberals, for liberals. You think the majority of the country wants a public option? Are you kidding me? If this is what the majority wanted, wouldnt they be making their voice heard to at the steps of washington? Once again, libs turn to race in the heat of debate, please leave external factors out.
phillip42 2 years ago
Here's a actual conversation at the house of one of WV's many working poor:
EMT: "You just had a heart attack. It's past, and you're OK for now, but you need to go see a cardiologist tomorrow."
Man: "But I can't afford it and I don't have insurance."
EMT: "Then you're going to die."
Man: "But I simply don't have the money. What am I supposed to do then?"
EMT: "Find a way, or die."
VeryEvilPettingZoo 2 years ago
Freedom is the freedom of industries, whose revenues match the GDPs of medium-sized countries, to buy or fund think tanks, free market orgs, astroturf groups, PR firms, entire media outlets, and American politicians, in order to confuse an ignorant public into working against their own best interests.
Freedom is the freedom of insurance companies to be guaranteed profits.
Freedom is the freedom of the working class to die.
God Bless America!
VeryEvilPettingZoo 2 years ago 4
"They want freedom". Wasn't this the rally cry of the Confederate army? People who fought to protect other peoples money, money they would never see.
Pleblian 2 years ago
Republicans are all hypoctites.
Anyone who listens to them or takes them seriously are total retards.
aldernagon3 2 years ago 2
I disagree. We're in the middle of one of the biggest political and social debates of many of our lives. If health care reform wasn't a dominant political topic right now, I would NOT expect a senator to know this information, but considering the political landscape today, they SHOULD know this number.
I suspect they did know this information, but were attempting an ethos/pathos response, however without preparation, that attempt failed.
"You do not have to be right, only correct"
MONEY!
fret2424 2 years ago
Actually it is not a debate, it a Kulturkampf.
To wit--war.
mopsius 2 years ago
No Democrat has ever dodged a question being asked of him/her. Do you think the politicians in favor of this legislation are going to be on the same program they want to put all of us on? ....And why do you think that is?
ArmyStrongRyan 2 years ago
Why do I think that is? Because federal employees get federal medical benefits. Its always been that way. They will always have better medical benefits than everybody else. If you pay taxes on a home, you should live in a good home. That doesnt mean you should expect to live in the White House.
OpinionatedJerk 2 years ago
Presumably they'll be able to afford their own coverage; the public option is for those who cannot afford private insurance.
tazgrento 2 years ago
The tougher the questions the more the necessity to walk on increases. There should be a name for this or a measurement-like denial by footwork, or shitunderfoot-the basic measurment of foot pace to bullshit ratio!
TheFolkUtopia 2 years ago
I agree! lol.
SkylarkGSX 2 years ago
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pyroblaster4 2 years ago
" My people want freedom "
Bingo. Thank You. If I choose NOT to have health coverage?......MY CHOICE.
NOT Pelosi's, NOT Reid's, NOT the SEIU's, NOT Barry Sitero's, and NOT the liberal left!!
1990 Pages.....As if anyone bothered to read the damn thing before signing on to it.
speedbird237 2 years ago
Exactly if you choose not to go with the public option and instead one of the private insurance companies that already service 190 million people. It's YOUR choice, an option! Your private plan will still exist just like they do now? whats the prblem.. if you don't want the public option don't get it..... as far as your taxes??? wont go up... it's that the private healthcare companies will not get as much tax subsidies like they are now. let them pay for their own shit! lol
Bigbird5553 2 years ago
"How many people in your district are uninsured?"
Let's try that question another way.....
" How many uninsured in your district actually WANT health coverage??"
Or......
" How many want to be LEFT ALONE and not NOT have GOVERNMENT MAKING DECISIONS FOR THEM??"
speedbird237 2 years ago
I'd imagine most people want health insurance... cause it's handy to be able to pay... for medicine... *sigh*. Fine let yourself die of a minor infection cause you're too good to pay for care. Natural selection at work.
tazgrento 2 years ago
right and if your health problem prevents you from working? or being able to afford the lvl of care you need? What about if you get laid off? What if your depressed ? People that say "natural selection at work" shouldn't even touch a people issue should they? You can't possibly give a shit other then the dear of taking away something from you. You are to misinformed to realized YOUR tax money has gone to subsidize private healthcare for YEARS!
Bigbird5553 2 years ago
I wasn't bashing to public option... I support it... I was making fun of a guy who said he wanted to choose not to have any insurance at all. Calm down. Read the comments before you rage.
tazgrento 2 years ago
All of these comments on this video seem to be from intelligent, wise, and very fiscally minded Youtube philosophers. I am glad to see there are so many wonderful reasons why this bill should pass. Hell, why doesn't China just annex us now?
houstonrockets616 2 years ago
"My people want freedom." I assume that's the freedom to die broke from gettin' rammed by insurance companies. Classic.
Ajacks1911 2 years ago
Politicions never answer questions. Just answer the question.
7d7e7f7 2 years ago
Thank god I'm a pothead and have my heads stuck in the clouds most of the day which prevents me from giving a flying fuck about any of this crap. The idiots commenting on here seem really stressed out and angry. Calm the fuck down because none of you are right about anything youre saying. Nobody in america or the world has the answer's. People in america have to change first before anything happens, and I'd love to see that ever happen....fuck you all, hopefully an asteroid kills us soon.
SonnyMcDingleson 2 years ago 2
Apparently to Steve King "Freedom" is an actual number.
KR811 2 years ago
Are you kidding man, if you wanna talk lobbying look no further than these bailout bills that passed. That's a pat on the back from big money, high power friends that the Dems have on wall street.
avidgolfer08 2 years ago
when was that bill passed?
bacchus1975 2 years ago
@bacchus1975..... Mid February, I think the 17th.
avidgolfer08 2 years ago
The words "Freedom" and "Liberty" are the bullshit responses you'll get from politicians and Conservatives when they doesn't have a legitimate or realistic answer.
roughrider119 2 years ago
"Freedom"
It is not an answer. It is an invocation. And it is a uniquely American form of invocation that is meant to stifle debate and turn the tables on those who have legitimate questions and concerns. It is like saying "Thus sayeth the Lord" to religious people to discourage them from questioning religious authority.
Americans are indoctrinated to not question "freedom." So the person who claims he is for freedom is almost always unassailable in our country.
Mxyzptlk562 2 years ago
Before FOX, people talked about issues, now all the FOXers do is mindlessly repeat empty phrases like "I love my freedom", "I am for the Constitution", "Lock and Load". Political Discussion has been dumbed down. But corrupt politicians love it, let's them get away with murder, which I guess is why the Republicans love FOX.
midnightroamer 2 years ago 3
emergency room is their best answer, well what do you expect form the party of be republicunt or go die. so all of us have to pay the ER charges, lets have unicersal helathcare and not worry about it.
A bunch of worthless RepubliCUNTs
sage0857 2 years ago
Good grief. I guess they worry about nothing. After all they have great coverage.
yuukisama2001 2 years ago
All hospitals are required to do for a prospective sick person is to get that person stable then toss them out of the hospital with a note to go to their personal doc, which most don't have b/c they cannot get insurance and/or they are losing ins due to pre-existing conditions or conditions that become pre-existing after ending up at the hospital. This loads the person in major debt w/ no way to pay for the high-cost bills that brings about bill collectors, which often make the conditions worse.
PaisleyPlace 2 years ago
How many people are uninsured in your district?
FREEDOM!!!
How Orwellian is that? Double-plus good freedom! What a loser.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about anyone.
ArranoGris 2 years ago 4
@ArranoGris We need to set up a ministry of truth IMO.
Phoboskomboa 2 years ago