The gracies were very selective as to who they went up against, when they dicided to show off there martial art. the ufc was very selective too. The gracies had a big deal in the ufc. Theres many masters of other martial arts that know how to counter, and do serious damage to people that try to grapple with them on the street. These people dont believe in street fights though and wouldnt want to use the techniques in an exibition fight.
I miss the days when a stuffed takedown attemp was something grapplers had to truly worry about. Now the rules cater to them so muh, it only affects them in points, not counter striked. I used to love it when they'll shoot for a takedown attemp, get soccer kicked or face tomped a little. Then they thought hard about attempting the takedown as willingly as they do nowadays. Fuck the Nevada Commission, bring back Vale Tudo. It wasn't a problem beore, why the bias?! MMA has become wrestling...
@amdturion123 Right! No elbows to back of the head. Can not kick them when they are down. The rules of th MMA are for the grapplier, on the street its anybodies game.
@MrStathis77 grappler can attack throat with submissions... striker cant attack the throat, which would more than likely result in hospitalization LOL
@Cfergsthebest I once fought a bjj fighter once, with boxing, he got his ass kicked, as long as you know some wrestling and can protect from takedowns, there is nothing a purely bjj fighter can do.
@guanaesantonio depends how good at bjj someone is. If he its someone who trains a lot and is pretty good he probably has good takedowns and could still get the takedown against someone who knows how to sprawl properly, if he sucks at takedowns well thats a different story and you are probably right.
@MrBJJ18 Takedowns r part of wrestling. The Gracies mainly use clinch throws 2 get the fights to the ground. The main correlation between someone with good take downs and good BJJ isn't because they've trained a lot but mostly for competition as all grappling matches start o nthe feet in which case you do need takedowns 2 get the match to the mat. However even that is unnecessary as many grapplers are simply content with pulling guard.
fuck off you jiu jitsu clowns, see how powerful your purple belt does you when someone is on top of you raining punches. You are a creepy cult with a lame sense of humor.
@FlagOfInfiniteKarate your a fucking retard. Fight a fucking blue belt or even a white belt, guaranteed you get your limbs broken or choked the fuck out. Faggot.
@eddiereyes1988 A very skilled boxer (manny pacquiao) versus a not so skilled jiu jitsu.... I think Manny would knock his block off. A very skilled Jiu Jitsu would probably submit a not so skilled boxer. A gracie versus manny would be an interesting fight. Manny is quick and powerful, but if he gets but on the ground he would probably be done son.
I LOVE this VID, the Gracies annoy the crap out of me, their BJJ is good for one thing only, slipping in between the rules on the ring in order to win and feel better about their sorry asses. On the street, without rules and especially VS more than one opponent BJJ is 100% useless. Maybe the Gracies wouldn't be so lame if they were not that cocky, if they didn't upload their vids, insulting other martial arts and disabling comments so no one breaks their fortress of arrogance... The DisGracies!
@avrilinblood Exactly, to take on multiple oponents U must be a good striker. There was no grappling in this video. And yet Mr. Gracie went down. In a street fight only thing you have to do is strike in the groin, bite an arm or leg to get out of a hold. or strike the throat. Muay Thai is good for a Street fight and in the ring.
@avrilinblood your fat nerd, wash your mouth before talking about I'm bjj purple belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu, if together you and all your family on the street as you said I leave everyone with a broken arm, you should not criticize what you do not even know only watch videos on youtube ever climbed into a mat, numca trained, never sweated the kimono! oh and do not speak English I used the google translator '-' if you have something wrong and blame google translator.
Melvin Manhoef ,trained at american Top Team for a while! Nice troll job lol Melvin practices Jiujitsu regularly , this is why he defends Jiujitsu so well :D The other guy just was not ready for that beast! As far as Jiujitsu in the street, you better know it if a guy even 20 lbs or more starts a confrontation with you and takes you to the ground. Striking is important too , but as we all know its best to be well rounded. Take care guys.
lol that gracie mother fucker got ownd. either this is a shitty biased commenty from another old vid or either the dumbass gracies are a bunch of stupid retards who need to get their eyes and brains tested from all the kickass strikes they have recieved.
LOL this was hilarious! Serves them Gracies right. They have more than one of those narrated videos where they just basically brag about winning the fight as if that were proof that gracie jj overcomes any other martial art, just like this overconfident and smug commentary.
@Andsormida01 I'm not saying that he didn't. I'm just saying that I don't agree with most of the Gracies and that they start saying biased shit every time they open their mouth.
@ninetailzneji Here we have another BJJ fan whose latent homosexuality is bubbling to the surface in excitement and anticipation to watch one guy suck another man's dick.
@jorgekluney look im not here to start debates, this guy beat this guys ass dead to rights, that's cool. but at the same time the ground game today is mainly related to and based off of BJJ. wrestling is good but they dont have as many submission techniques (unless youe genki sudo). there is submission wrestling but i personally feel as if BJJ is a more superior ground game tactic. p.s crosely gracie sucks ass. p.p.s if i wanted my come back i'd ask your mom.
@OuterDrake7000 And in your video, the striker was obiously trained in some grappling too. Just like I said to primzi87. They key of a good fighter is to know AT LEAST a little bit from both: striking and grappling, then specialize in one of them (doesn't matter which). Everything else will depend of the fighter to win ;)
@Mrjustinqqq I agree with you. You know...... I'm not knocking ground fighting / Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, be the truth is , is that most of the strikers they've fought are too slow, lack power, precision, and can't hit hard. This black fella however, may not be lighting quick, like Bruce Lee, but he hit hard, had precision, timing and demonstrated cardiovascular endurance. If more strikers were like him, more losses would be reported on the grapplers side.
@Mrjustinqqq LOL! LOL! OOps, I'm beginning to leak too. The audio was definately so biased, I thought he mistook the black man for a Gracie. This boxer ( black man) dominated this fight.
@Mrjustinqqq TO become an exceptionally good striker, is very, very difficult. Bruce Lee is an exceptional striker. This boxer knew his stuff and had excellent timing / distance dynamics, power, pinpoint accuracy, speed, and he is the exception to the rule. I'm beginning to wonder: Are Gracie's BIG FISH in a small pond?
Mike Tyson should have taken Royce up on the challenge.
@meatspining LOL. For a minute there, I thought the black guy was the Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, but it was the other guy, getting pounded , who was the Gracie. This is one in a million. This boxer knew his stuff, unlike 95% of the other strikers in the Octagon, who have done poorly in the ring against Grapplers.
Ñ CONTEM VITÓRIA, ESSE NEGO AI SÓ GANHOU PQ O LUTADOR DE JIU-JITSU ERA FRACO, AGORA DUVIDO ELE PEGANDO UM MINOTAURO, UM DEMIAM MAIA, QUERIA VER, ESSE NEGO IA APANHAR TANTO, Q IA DESBOTAR!!
This is funny, but I'm going to agree with others that this is most likely an edited vid, with the audio from one of the Gracie promo vids from the early 90's. I don't think they were making these vids when Pride was going on.
It does prove a point, though, that it's who is using what style and not just the style on it's own.
sounded a little bit like Rorian Gracie was trying a bit too hard to cover up the fact that Melvin had found a method that worked with technical talk... :/
I thought that he was just commentating that Kick Boxing is inadequate for ground defense. I don't really think either fighter was a Jiu Jitsu guy, but I'm probably wrong.
WHATTTTTT!!!!!!!!! I think Rorian Gracie is on CRACKKKKK LOOOOOOL it looked to me like melvin was beating the shit out of that gracie lol not the other way around lol this just goes to show - not all fighters can get taken to the ground!
this video just proves that BJJ does not automatically mean you will win. A good martial artist will still beat you. Gracie himself is a good fighter, that doesn't mean that everyone who practices the same martial art as he will win the same number of fights. Martial arts has been around for thousands of years, grappling is nothing new. Just a fad going around right now.
@neutrino78x Well first off know that the bjj fighters opponent KNOWS wrestling. If he was a pure kickboxer he may be in more trouble against am ore experience bjj fighter
@xIegionx "Well first off know that the bjj fighters opponent KNOWS wrestling. " <--- which is not relevant here, because he didn't use western wrestling or Jujitsu. He used western kickboxing to defeat brazilian jujitsu. So, all of you who support this fad of BJJ being able to defeat anything have been proven wrong. It is about the skills of the people involved. Just because you are doing Jeet Kune Do doesn't mean you are as good at it as Bruce Lee. Same for BJJ.
@neutrino78x Did you also forget that his opponent was only a bjj blue belt?
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BJJ can negate to stand up. A master of bjj > a master of any other pure stand up fighter. Fact.
Thats why MMA fighters know ground martial arts. You can't say you can win a fight if you're a master at pure stand up. Remember Randy Couture's most recent fight?
@xIegionx "BJJ can negate to stand up. A master of bjj > a master of any other pure stand up fighter. Fact." <--- if they are both masters, and they are both practicing their style perfectly, there will be no winner. "You can't say you can win a fight if you're a master at pure stand up. " <--- okay, but show me an actual martial art which does not teach any kind of grappling? Kick boxing is a western combat system, not a martial art.
I see all these comments and its funny. ALl these arts are striking and kicking and whre to block here and over there . Its philosophy that makes an art. There are only so many forces a human can throw at you. Learning how to neutralize every single one is the way to go. Everyone knows how to dispurt strength but how many primetime fighters can direct, redirect and absorb strength? It takes less than an ounce of energy to do. I say forget all these techniques and stuff start at the base of power
Man there are some fools out there! Melvin Manhoef, the black guy, is using his Thai boxing skills against the white BJJ specialist, Crosley Gracie: check out both of the fighters' web sites if you don't believe it. They are both accomplished fighters by the way, so give them and their fighting arts the respect they deserve.
lol some one eddited this ^^ but jiu jitsu is gay and is a shitty fighting style i mean who the fuck is a champion? i mean who is a jiu jitsu master and is a champion in mma? all mma champions are strikers and wrestlers.
i would like to see that fight with a better grapling possibility, with those gloves jj fighter just cant grap him properly. But its true that starting a fight on the ground isnt a good idea
boxer rapes him in the asssssss lolllllllllllllllllll this is funny lol !!! btw , if you do karate or jujitsu and want to fight a boxer , that is just stupid and you will lose 100% sure
@titcock123 no, actually this is one of the few videos of a jiu jitsu fighter loosing to a striker. lol about 99 percent of the time the jiu jitsu guy wins.
funny as hell with the audio taken from a different match xD
oh and btw for all you idiots this isn't just a kickboxer he's fighting (melvin manhoef) he's an mma fighter trained in submissions and submission and takedown defense (24-8 mma record)you know if you were blind and you didn't see the perfect sprawl he used against that double leg takedown. If he was just a kickboxer he would have ended up on the ground because of that takedown and the fight would be over.
sprawl came from wrestling not bjj/gjj. and just cause you did it doesnt mean your a grappler. under your logic all gracies are strikers cause they have all thrown a punch in at least one of their matches. that automatically means bjj/gjj is ineffective as it needs striking to work.
did i say the sprawl came from bjj? melvinmanhoef dot com click training and check out this guys training schedule and what he trains in. That's why i said he's trained in submissions. The only grappling art he does is bjj.
did i say you did? if so point to the post. and was that before or after this fight he started with that shit?
and again all the gracies have thrown strikes in their matches (strikes arent in gracie jujitsu as far as the gracies themselves have said) so what does that mean? it means the gracies are trained in striking (and strike evasions) so that means all the credit going to bjj/gjj is flase, as the gracies needed striking to help them win.
@Mrjustinqqq it is certainly not the fighter at a certain degree anymore
would u say a boxer would win against an mma fighter? or against a k1 kickboxer?
thers no way.
just like there is almost no way a striker can keep standing against a good wrestler. grapplers are just 10 times stronger, they will beat people twice their size with ease. i'd say 90 percent of the time grappler wins against striker.
@steeeeker BJJ outdated? Silva vs Sonnen silva by Triangulo, Mir vs Kongo MIr by rearnaked Schoke, Lesnar vs Carwin Lesnar by armdriangle, last saturday Shields vs Kampman Shields dominated with his BJJ. All the MMA scene is here today only because of the Gracies and their quest to make a point with BJJ.
This video is a fake, is edited and is a joke. Crosley Gracie= Nobody Melvin Manhoef can only strike and got taped by every one who knows ground fight. Beside that Rorion coments were token from another video.
The style the Gracie's use are only good for one on one encounters. Having more than one or I will even say two (Since perhaps you could hide behind the enemy you are chocking from the other enemy trying to get to you.) and you are screwed. But and I do not say this lightly, but knowing how to also wrestle is also good to defeat or at least defend and counter another wrestler. Do not blindly learn one art and think you are invincible, you have to be able to adapt and know your opponents tactics.
who wants to take a fight to the ground when you can get the glory and satisfaction knocking your opponent out? kickboxing, muay thai, and boxing are my favs
Strikers are the most manly of all fighters, and stiking is the most useful to protect your life as you would be able to fight multible opponents effectively in a given scenario. It doesn't help to have your head smashed in as your trying to pull a triangle or kimura off of someone else. Plus, you're not rolling on the gound like a worm, or grapplefucking like a wrestler.
@amdturion123 ya but what if your in a life or death situation and a wrestler is there and he does an ankle pick where its impossible to hit him like what couture did to toney now your on your back good luck striking from there id say wrestling would be the best thing to have because staying on your feet should be your biggest priority. bjj would be really good in a one on one situation because you could pull a triangle and you could kill the other person.
@sharkshockey19 What if youre in a life & death situation & he knocks you out, considering the fght starts on the ground you're done anyway. Don't believe the hog wash that because it happen to Toney who is sooo past hs prime it's not even funny. maybe had this been the early 90's could that have been a real test.If a striker knocks a guy out, he's out of the fight.If a guy gets caught in an armbar, ankle lock, kimura, etc. he's still in the fight assuming it's life & death.I'll leave it at that
@amdturion123 toney is still a boxing champ hes not washed up hes always looked like that lol. i would rather have boxing than bjj in a life or death situation unless the bjj guy has better wrestling because there are a lot of wrestling moves that can get boxers down very easily because a boxing stance is horrible when the other guy knows wrestling. and the takedown attempt wouldnt involve getting within punching distance a triangle, rear naked choke and guillotine are just a few that can kill.
Well Melvin obviously trains in jiu jitsu for defense, he's by no means a black belt, but the fact that he trains jiu jitsu at all makes your point moot.
@MrDragon3100 BJJ IS BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU AND MMA IS MIXED MARTIAL ARTS MMA IS FIGHTING STYLES SUCH AS JIU JITSU,JUDO,KICKBOXING,WRESTLING AND WAY MORE.
Its funny when BJJ is shown to have some short comings at times bjj start using the same excuses the TMA use. oh well this fighter wasnt the best. even worse they go in to well he sprawled that proves he is using bjj....??? face it bjj while a good art is not perfect and does lose to styles it claims it can beat with out trying. shit happens. what this should teach you is DON'T be a cocky son of a bitch and you will not have to eat crow.
There are fighting styles of all sorts. They all have their feilds of use. Like you can not have an army of BJJ fighters in a battle. Would be hilarious to see 400 ppl just drop to the ground.
Just as it would be retarded to put a professional boxer in the ring with a professional bjj fighter. boxer would get a broken arm.
@PPCLOCK true, im a boxer and started bjj just because i couldnt do ANYTHING when i was on the ground!! I love martial arts, so i started learning bjj, and i will do it hopefully at least the next 5 year! Hopefully!!
@PPCLOCK It would be retarded to put a pro boxer in the ring with a pro bjj fighter? Boxer would get a broken arm? What happened in this video then? That bjj fighter, from the GRACIE family, got his ass kicked by the kick boxer!
The gracies were very selective as to who they went up against, when they dicided to show off there martial art. the ufc was very selective too. The gracies had a big deal in the ufc. Theres many masters of other martial arts that know how to counter, and do serious damage to people that try to grapple with them on the street. These people dont believe in street fights though and wouldnt want to use the techniques in an exibition fight.
Pyxo8888 2 weeks ago
But the kickboxwer won the match.....
mohdal 3 weeks ago
Is this really a gracie, hes the shittest grappler ive seen?
k00lkane 1 month ago
I miss the days when a stuffed takedown attemp was something grapplers had to truly worry about. Now the rules cater to them so muh, it only affects them in points, not counter striked. I used to love it when they'll shoot for a takedown attemp, get soccer kicked or face tomped a little. Then they thought hard about attempting the takedown as willingly as they do nowadays. Fuck the Nevada Commission, bring back Vale Tudo. It wasn't a problem beore, why the bias?! MMA has become wrestling...
amdturion123 1 month ago
@amdturion123, they should also eliminate the gloves to make it more realistic. For that matter, the rounds as well.
judoyodan 1 month ago
@amdturion123 Right! No elbows to back of the head. Can not kick them when they are down. The rules of th MMA are for the grapplier, on the street its anybodies game.
MrStathis77 1 month ago 3
@MrStathis77 grappler can attack throat with submissions... striker cant attack the throat, which would more than likely result in hospitalization LOL
Lollertron 1 month ago
Damn, glad to see the ref had mercy on the kickboxer
nestical916 1 month ago
you have been raped!FACT
13Metal13Head13 2 months ago
yeah dude this video really supports your argument. gracie was about to kill that guy before the bell sounded.
FlagOfInfiniteKarate 2 months ago
Kick Boxing or , Thai-style boxing win Jiujitsu always ^^
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the douche poster shouldve posted the fight where Manhoef gets his arm "hyperetended" by Filho lol
hekoka 3 months ago
I hate to say it in a street fight bjj is 100x more dangerous its one of the deadliest martial arts
Cfergsthebest 4 months ago
@Cfergsthebest I once fought a bjj fighter once, with boxing, he got his ass kicked, as long as you know some wrestling and can protect from takedowns, there is nothing a purely bjj fighter can do.
guanaesantonio 3 months ago
@guanaesantonio depends how good at bjj someone is. If he its someone who trains a lot and is pretty good he probably has good takedowns and could still get the takedown against someone who knows how to sprawl properly, if he sucks at takedowns well thats a different story and you are probably right.
MrBJJ18 2 months ago
@MrBJJ18 Takedowns r part of wrestling. The Gracies mainly use clinch throws 2 get the fights to the ground. The main correlation between someone with good take downs and good BJJ isn't because they've trained a lot but mostly for competition as all grappling matches start o nthe feet in which case you do need takedowns 2 get the match to the mat. However even that is unnecessary as many grapplers are simply content with pulling guard.
RickyTan187 1 month ago
fuck off you jiu jitsu clowns, see how powerful your purple belt does you when someone is on top of you raining punches. You are a creepy cult with a lame sense of humor.
FlagOfInfiniteKarate 4 months ago
@FlagOfInfiniteKarate ur an a dumb ass... enough said
d3v114 4 months ago
@FlagOfInfiniteKarate your a fucking retard. Fight a fucking blue belt or even a white belt, guaranteed you get your limbs broken or choked the fuck out. Faggot.
MrBJJ18 2 months ago
how can you jiujitsu with klows on?
Troforso 4 months ago
still dont mean kick boxing is better then jiu jitsu some1 try n prove me wrong
eddiereyes1988 5 months ago
@eddiereyes1988 I think it depends on the skill of the fighter. If a beginner Jiu Jitsu fighter fought an expert Judo
fighter I am pretty sure the Judo man would win. Switch the rolls and get the same result.
davidg1024 4 months ago
@davidg1024 of corse but im talking about any stand up vs jiu jitsu
eddiereyes1988 4 months ago
@eddiereyes1988 A very skilled boxer (manny pacquiao) versus a not so skilled jiu jitsu.... I think Manny would knock his block off. A very skilled Jiu Jitsu would probably submit a not so skilled boxer. A gracie versus manny would be an interesting fight. Manny is quick and powerful, but if he gets but on the ground he would probably be done son.
davidg1024 4 months ago
I LOVE this VID, the Gracies annoy the crap out of me, their BJJ is good for one thing only, slipping in between the rules on the ring in order to win and feel better about their sorry asses. On the street, without rules and especially VS more than one opponent BJJ is 100% useless. Maybe the Gracies wouldn't be so lame if they were not that cocky, if they didn't upload their vids, insulting other martial arts and disabling comments so no one breaks their fortress of arrogance... The DisGracies!
avrilinblood 6 months ago 6
@avrilinblood Ity's a joke mate, it's not real. The audio is for something else.
gazthefunky39 6 months ago
@avrilinblood Exactly, to take on multiple oponents U must be a good striker. There was no grappling in this video. And yet Mr. Gracie went down. In a street fight only thing you have to do is strike in the groin, bite an arm or leg to get out of a hold. or strike the throat. Muay Thai is good for a Street fight and in the ring.
MrStathis77 6 months ago
@avrilinblood your fat nerd, wash your mouth before talking about I'm bjj purple belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu, if together you and all your family on the street as you said I leave everyone with a broken arm, you should not criticize what you do not even know only watch videos on youtube ever climbed into a mat, numca trained, never sweated the kimono! oh and do not speak English I used the google translator '-' if you have something wrong and blame google translator.
MrMatheusDays 1 month ago
Damn, I love this video. I see what you did there.
gutsu91 6 months ago
yeah baby! Melvin just fucked him up!!
Kick boxing rules!
Gracie sucks!!!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
michinco 6 months ago
Melvin Manhoef ,trained at american Top Team for a while! Nice troll job lol Melvin practices Jiujitsu regularly , this is why he defends Jiujitsu so well :D The other guy just was not ready for that beast! As far as Jiujitsu in the street, you better know it if a guy even 20 lbs or more starts a confrontation with you and takes you to the ground. Striking is important too , but as we all know its best to be well rounded. Take care guys.
jitsujohnny 6 months ago
this video was hilarious. hahaha who ever made this, you sir deserve a metal.
1911Zombieslayer 6 months ago
Another example of why striking arts are more practical as a system.
Whether in the cage/out striking is effective.
Out of the cage and I doubt a bjj practitioner would take it down to the concrete floor.
JKDPhenomena 7 months ago
@JKDPhenomena, Almost every fighting style is equally effective, it's the individual fighter that is good or bad.
elevat0r123 7 months ago
how could gjj not have anyworth yet have the impact they did? think about dbags.
jonnybeefcake1 7 months ago
@jonnybeefcake1 The same way every other style did. Hype.
Super8astard 6 months ago
@MrJuanism
bad try at trying 2 keep some dignity 4 being a bjj/gjj nut hugger but
1 the gracies denied the impact all other martial arts had in all those marketing vids
2 im a mma fighter by definition cause i use muay thai & kyokushin much less the 3 others i know, i dont do that gjj/bjj crap
3 the ufc (what u meant 2 say) makes it mandatory that u learn bjj/gjj, cause of royalties 2 the gracies. there r ground styles other than bjj/gjj
4 brock beat every 1 when he came b 4 he started bjj/gjj
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago
laying on ur back like a bitch.
domlpz1 7 months ago
lol that gracie mother fucker got ownd. either this is a shitty biased commenty from another old vid or either the dumbass gracies are a bunch of stupid retards who need to get their eyes and brains tested from all the kickass strikes they have recieved.
MrMeh360 7 months ago 2
Is this funny as shitl!!!!
Brennan29 8 months ago
Manhoef - tnai boxer
FightsNews 8 months ago
LOL this was hilarious! Serves them Gracies right. They have more than one of those narrated videos where they just basically brag about winning the fight as if that were proof that gracie jj overcomes any other martial art, just like this overconfident and smug commentary.
mrkiky 8 months ago
@mrkiky Listen I agree, but the video doesn't change the fact that Manhoef has lost to nearly every grappler and BJJ practitioner he's ever fought.
Andsormida01 8 months ago
@Andsormida01 I'm not saying that he didn't. I'm just saying that I don't agree with most of the Gracies and that they start saying biased shit every time they open their mouth.
mrkiky 8 months ago
funny stuff
ellicattube 8 months ago
Nice watching a BJJ fairy get punched in the head. They're cowards when it comes to strikes.
jorgekluney 8 months ago
fuck those gracie clowns and their creepy cult
FlagOfInfiniteKarate 8 months ago
@FlagOfInfiniteKarate those creepy cult guys created the art of brazialian jiu jitsu, you should be on your knees sucking helios gracies dick.
ninetailzneji 8 months ago
@ninetailzneji Here we have another BJJ fan whose latent homosexuality is bubbling to the surface in excitement and anticipation to watch one guy suck another man's dick.
jorgekluney 8 months ago
@jorgekluney look im not here to start debates, this guy beat this guys ass dead to rights, that's cool. but at the same time the ground game today is mainly related to and based off of BJJ. wrestling is good but they dont have as many submission techniques (unless youe genki sudo). there is submission wrestling but i personally feel as if BJJ is a more superior ground game tactic. p.s crosely gracie sucks ass. p.p.s if i wanted my come back i'd ask your mom.
ninetailzneji 7 months ago
@jorgekluney HAHAHA I read that in the voice of the guy doing commentary on this video
SpyWhoLovedHimself 7 months ago
lol, he makes fun rorion commentary about superiority bjj againts kickboxing in other fight..
MrMuhammadRidwan 8 months ago
People this is a fake, this is a different vid from the audio,
parks2000 8 months ago
@parks2000 its real just mocking the gracies
arkonastriborg123 8 months ago
watch?v=hNttRJ40QZE :D
primzi87 9 months ago 3
@primzi87 watch?v=vZO-YFtmFfA
OuterDrake7000 9 months ago
@OuterDrake7000 And in your video, the striker was obiously trained in some grappling too. Just like I said to primzi87. They key of a good fighter is to know AT LEAST a little bit from both: striking and grappling, then specialize in one of them (doesn't matter which). Everything else will depend of the fighter to win ;)
Sheik06 6 months ago
@primzi87 Well, that judoka obiosly was trained in karate. He needed to know to to protect against strikes to enter in the clinch range.
In THIS video however, this guy was a grappler who knew nothing about striking.
Sheik06 6 months ago
melvin manheof is not a great example of a kickboxer who avoids subs.
lebagel 9 months ago
this is obviously a joke, audio from an older video and footage from a newer fight
demwunz 9 months ago 27
Did I just hear the commentator say that the kickboxer was saved by the bell? what video was he watching!!??
shatrack 10 months ago 2
Did I just hear the commentator say that the kickboxer was saved by the bell? what video was he watching!!??W
shatrack 10 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq I agree with you. You know...... I'm not knocking ground fighting / Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, be the truth is , is that most of the strikers they've fought are too slow, lack power, precision, and can't hit hard. This black fella however, may not be lighting quick, like Bruce Lee, but he hit hard, had precision, timing and demonstrated cardiovascular endurance. If more strikers were like him, more losses would be reported on the grapplers side.
Helivz 10 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq LOL! LOL! OOps, I'm beginning to leak too. The audio was definately so biased, I thought he mistook the black man for a Gracie. This boxer ( black man) dominated this fight.
Helivz 10 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq TO become an exceptionally good striker, is very, very difficult. Bruce Lee is an exceptional striker. This boxer knew his stuff and had excellent timing / distance dynamics, power, pinpoint accuracy, speed, and he is the exception to the rule. I'm beginning to wonder: Are Gracie's BIG FISH in a small pond?
Mike Tyson should have taken Royce up on the challenge.
Helivz 10 months ago
@Helivz Absofuknlutely
TheBamBamBoom 9 months ago
hahahahaha. That commentary was some funny shit!
TheBamBamBoom 10 months ago
this was a good vid. i love bjj, i'm sure that kick boxer knew ground game ><
sutorii 10 months ago
this was a good vid. i love bjj, i'm sure that kick boxer knew ground game ><
sutorii 10 months ago
aya
con que asi se le gana a uno de jiu jitsu bien
stylerwips 10 months ago
that audio was so disgustingly biased
meatspining 11 months ago 13
@meatspining LOL. For a minute there, I thought the black guy was the Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, but it was the other guy, getting pounded , who was the Gracie. This is one in a million. This boxer knew his stuff, unlike 95% of the other strikers in the Octagon, who have done poorly in the ring against Grapplers.
Helivz 10 months ago
@meatspining So disgustingly biased that I even wonder if it was Rorion speaking.
Helivz 10 months ago
@meatspining On youtube, check out "Relson Gracie on Royce Gracie Steroid Allegation. Tell me if you think Relson is telling the truth or lying.
Helivz 10 months ago
A pure boxer gets his ass kicked by a pure BJJ man. He goes down fast and gets chocked or submitted.
edingess 11 months ago
I love this video it's so funny and yes the audio is from the old Gracie propaganda videos.
mikelion559 11 months ago
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This is so damn funny!!!!
:)
johanindri 11 months ago
The black guy is Melvin Manhoef, a former K-1 competitor.
Malk64 1 year ago
LOL
newersify 1 year ago
Ñ CONTEM VITÓRIA, ESSE NEGO AI SÓ GANHOU PQ O LUTADOR DE JIU-JITSU ERA FRACO, AGORA DUVIDO ELE PEGANDO UM MINOTAURO, UM DEMIAM MAIA, QUERIA VER, ESSE NEGO IA APANHAR TANTO, Q IA DESBOTAR!!
DuduTavares1994 1 year ago
This is funny, but I'm going to agree with others that this is most likely an edited vid, with the audio from one of the Gracie promo vids from the early 90's. I don't think they were making these vids when Pride was going on.
It does prove a point, though, that it's who is using what style and not just the style on it's own.
WarriorBoy 1 year ago 2
It didn't sound like the commentator understood that the Jujitsu man got the snot beat out of him. He made it sound like the ref saved the Kickboxer.
steve0281 1 year ago
sounded a little bit like Rorian Gracie was trying a bit too hard to cover up the fact that Melvin had found a method that worked with technical talk... :/
BenK8319 1 year ago
That didn't look like kickboxing nor did it look like Jiu Jitsu.
XSouthXNightX 1 year ago
@XSouthXNightX so what the fuck it look like???? expert....
runhorun 1 year ago
@runhorun
It looked like fighting ;D
XSouthXNightX 1 year ago
I thought that he was just commentating that Kick Boxing is inadequate for ground defense. I don't really think either fighter was a Jiu Jitsu guy, but I'm probably wrong.
arstinkindaniels 1 year ago
WHATTTTTT!!!!!!!!! I think Rorian Gracie is on CRACKKKKK LOOOOOOL it looked to me like melvin was beating the shit out of that gracie lol not the other way around lol this just goes to show - not all fighters can get taken to the ground!
MUEEN007 1 year ago
wasn't the jujitsu guy being beaten up here? saving the kickboxer? i'm sure he meant jujitsu guy. lol
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
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I feel so sorry for that poor kickboxer.
xIegionx 1 year ago
Who else was confused for the first 30 seconds hehe...
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
K-1 Heros!
beefflavoredchicken 1 year ago
look slike the kick boxer fucked him up
ashlah 1 year ago
both jiu jitsu and kick boxing are very important
jiu jitsu for ground kick boxing for up
if you know one of them
you are 50% completed
one thing kick boxing is better is that you can fight more than one people
besides jiu jitsu is only one vs one
but both of them are important
test0044 1 year ago
@MrRudianos No, not really. In proportion, there are like 1 jiu jitsu guy loss, to like 20 wins. Shut the fuck up.
bobbysaysyo 1 year ago
YEAH FUCK BRAZILIAN "martial arts"
bppramuk 1 year ago
@miraeja Next time you have thought dont say it.
Daltonx317x 1 year ago
this video just proves that BJJ does not automatically mean you will win. A good martial artist will still beat you. Gracie himself is a good fighter, that doesn't mean that everyone who practices the same martial art as he will win the same number of fights. Martial arts has been around for thousands of years, grappling is nothing new. Just a fad going around right now.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x Well first off know that the bjj fighters opponent KNOWS wrestling. If he was a pure kickboxer he may be in more trouble against am ore experience bjj fighter
xIegionx 1 year ago
@xIegionx "Well first off know that the bjj fighters opponent KNOWS wrestling. " <--- which is not relevant here, because he didn't use western wrestling or Jujitsu. He used western kickboxing to defeat brazilian jujitsu. So, all of you who support this fad of BJJ being able to defeat anything have been proven wrong. It is about the skills of the people involved. Just because you are doing Jeet Kune Do doesn't mean you are as good at it as Bruce Lee. Same for BJJ.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x Did you also forget that his opponent was only a bjj blue belt?
;0
BJJ can negate to stand up. A master of bjj > a master of any other pure stand up fighter. Fact.
Thats why MMA fighters know ground martial arts. You can't say you can win a fight if you're a master at pure stand up. Remember Randy Couture's most recent fight?
xIegionx 1 year ago
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@xIegionx "BJJ can negate to stand up. A master of bjj > a master of any other pure stand up fighter. Fact." <--- if they are both masters, and they are both practicing their style perfectly, there will be no winner. "You can't say you can win a fight if you're a master at pure stand up. " <--- okay, but show me an actual martial art which does not teach any kind of grappling? Kick boxing is a western combat system, not a martial art.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
ok put the nigger in the ring with chuck norris
cpms5151 1 year ago
@cpms5151 that nigger will kick the shit out of chuck norris white piece of shit wife beating as cracker ass
daniels37 1 year ago
@daniels37 chuck isn't a wife beater. your mad he can kick your ass
xIegionx 1 year ago
jiujitsu rules!!! :p
MrRamboman123 1 year ago
Fraud. Just to be clear. This is audio from one of the Gracie jiu jitsu promotional videos. And someone added it to video of this lopsided fight.
olbrocko 1 year ago
Funny. Take the audio from bjj video, paste it over this vid.
olbrocko 1 year ago
I see all these comments and its funny. ALl these arts are striking and kicking and whre to block here and over there . Its philosophy that makes an art. There are only so many forces a human can throw at you. Learning how to neutralize every single one is the way to go. Everyone knows how to dispurt strength but how many primetime fighters can direct, redirect and absorb strength? It takes less than an ounce of energy to do. I say forget all these techniques and stuff start at the base of power
dekal1 1 year ago
@dekal1 its not philosophy its how much the art works
xIegionx 1 year ago
Sorry to say buuut he got WALLOPPED.
dekal1 1 year ago
Man there are some fools out there! Melvin Manhoef, the black guy, is using his Thai boxing skills against the white BJJ specialist, Crosley Gracie: check out both of the fighters' web sites if you don't believe it. They are both accomplished fighters by the way, so give them and their fighting arts the respect they deserve.
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Ronaldocclaro 1 year ago
lol ya i think the blace guy is the jujitsu guy i think you should listen a tad closer...but i may be wrong but im pretty sure...
northwestbomber 1 year ago
the black guy is the BJJ guy.
the white guy is a kickboxer.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS
No, the black guy is Melvin Manhoef who is a Dutch Thai Boxer
Crosley Gracie is a Brazilian Jui Jitsu practitioner
Monrovia92 1 year ago
lol some one eddited this ^^ but jiu jitsu is gay and is a shitty fighting style i mean who the fuck is a champion? i mean who is a jiu jitsu master and is a champion in mma? all mma champions are strikers and wrestlers.
LilShaggy82 1 year ago
The "Gracie Douche" was the guy on top beating the shit outta the Kick Boxer lol
TaurisMemnon 1 year ago
I favourited this one!
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
i would like to see that fight with a better grapling possibility, with those gloves jj fighter just cant grap him properly. But its true that starting a fight on the ground isnt a good idea
mok0s1 1 year ago
Jiu- jitsu is the best, he got out the damn of him!
bobby40041 1 year ago
@bobby40041
that made no sense
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago
Was the monkey the kickboxer?
Einheri1989 1 year ago
@Einheri1989 No the monke was the guy on his back. They made him shave his fur of so you could see his white skin.
sophisticsolice 1 year ago
@sophisticsolice Yeah man! Ha ha!
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
boxer rapes him in the asssssss lolllllllllllllllllll this is funny lol !!! btw , if you do karate or jujitsu and want to fight a boxer , that is just stupid and you will lose 100% sure
titcock123 1 year ago
@titcock123 no, actually this is one of the few videos of a jiu jitsu fighter loosing to a striker. lol about 99 percent of the time the jiu jitsu guy wins.
bobbysaysyo 1 year ago
Lol yeah right, boxing is like the worst fighting style ever. Some who was really good at bjj would have raped this guy
Agent556677 1 year ago
@Agent556677 Yeah cos we all know how much BJJers love to roll around the ground with men!
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@titcock123 Did you not see Randy Couture make James Toney tap with a arm triangle? That's jiu jitsu technique.
Benns1991 1 year ago 4
@Benns1991 arm triangle has existed since WRESTLING.
xIegionx 1 year ago
@Benns1991 WRONG thats a wrestling technique douche
xIegionx 1 year ago
@Benns1991 that's wrestling, slapnuts
DarkTempIarKain 10 months ago
funny as hell with the audio taken from a different match xD
oh and btw for all you idiots this isn't just a kickboxer he's fighting (melvin manhoef) he's an mma fighter trained in submissions and submission and takedown defense (24-8 mma record)you know if you were blind and you didn't see the perfect sprawl he used against that double leg takedown. If he was just a kickboxer he would have ended up on the ground because of that takedown and the fight would be over.
hentajus 1 year ago
@hentajus
sprawl came from wrestling not bjj/gjj. and just cause you did it doesnt mean your a grappler. under your logic all gracies are strikers cause they have all thrown a punch in at least one of their matches. that automatically means bjj/gjj is ineffective as it needs striking to work.
you still want to go with that logic
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA
did i say the sprawl came from bjj? melvinmanhoef dot com click training and check out this guys training schedule and what he trains in. That's why i said he's trained in submissions. The only grappling art he does is bjj.
hentajus 7 months ago
@hentajus
did i say you did? if so point to the post. and was that before or after this fight he started with that shit?
and again all the gracies have thrown strikes in their matches (strikes arent in gracie jujitsu as far as the gracies themselves have said) so what does that mean? it means the gracies are trained in striking (and strike evasions) so that means all the credit going to bjj/gjj is flase, as the gracies needed striking to help them win.
under your logic
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq it is certainly not the fighter at a certain degree anymore
would u say a boxer would win against an mma fighter? or against a k1 kickboxer?
thers no way.
just like there is almost no way a striker can keep standing against a good wrestler. grapplers are just 10 times stronger, they will beat people twice their size with ease. i'd say 90 percent of the time grappler wins against striker.
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
@steeeeker BJJ outdated? Silva vs Sonnen silva by Triangulo, Mir vs Kongo MIr by rearnaked Schoke, Lesnar vs Carwin Lesnar by armdriangle, last saturday Shields vs Kampman Shields dominated with his BJJ. All the MMA scene is here today only because of the Gracies and their quest to make a point with BJJ.
apmotion 1 year ago
This video is a fake, is edited and is a joke. Crosley Gracie= Nobody Melvin Manhoef can only strike and got taped by every one who knows ground fight. Beside that Rorion coments were token from another video.
apmotion 1 year ago
The style the Gracie's use are only good for one on one encounters. Having more than one or I will even say two (Since perhaps you could hide behind the enemy you are chocking from the other enemy trying to get to you.) and you are screwed. But and I do not say this lightly, but knowing how to also wrestle is also good to defeat or at least defend and counter another wrestler. Do not blindly learn one art and think you are invincible, you have to be able to adapt and know your opponents tactics.
Jerrid3 1 year ago
There you are. "The unbeatable" BJJ guy was defeated by a kicker. See? It´s not the discipline, it´s the practicioner.
Flavioxeneize 1 year ago
@1jaycutlerfan1 i saw the video.
PPCLOCK 1 year ago
hahaha this is great!
matthew4307 1 year ago
who wants to take a fight to the ground when you can get the glory and satisfaction knocking your opponent out? kickboxing, muay thai, and boxing are my favs
travelingnomad1 1 year ago
cade o jiu-jitsu
Tiborslip 1 year ago
I love this video, nic editing!
monkfg 1 year ago
BJJ is a good thing, but there are more efficient ways of learning how to fight.
monkfg 1 year ago
ths is bull shit. the guy who is BJJ has no clue what to do. he's just an embarrassment to the sport.
axelfbomber 1 year ago
isn't that a kick boxer owning the bjj? why would the commentator talk another way...
vzle 1 year ago
@vzle
He replaced the audio to be a troll against the Gracie family.
rufus566 1 year ago
respect dutch fighters !
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MrDragon3100 1 year ago
apesar de ser brasileiro eu gostei de ver o jiu jitsu perder.
matheus758 1 year ago
how many times does a guy have to get hit before the ref realizes hes not responding
adrian14643 1 year ago
Strikers are the most manly of all fighters, and stiking is the most useful to protect your life as you would be able to fight multible opponents effectively in a given scenario. It doesn't help to have your head smashed in as your trying to pull a triangle or kimura off of someone else. Plus, you're not rolling on the gound like a worm, or grapplefucking like a wrestler.
amdturion123 1 year ago
@amdturion123 ya but what if your in a life or death situation and a wrestler is there and he does an ankle pick where its impossible to hit him like what couture did to toney now your on your back good luck striking from there id say wrestling would be the best thing to have because staying on your feet should be your biggest priority. bjj would be really good in a one on one situation because you could pull a triangle and you could kill the other person.
sharkshockey19 1 year ago
@sharkshockey19 What if youre in a life & death situation & he knocks you out, considering the fght starts on the ground you're done anyway. Don't believe the hog wash that because it happen to Toney who is sooo past hs prime it's not even funny. maybe had this been the early 90's could that have been a real test.If a striker knocks a guy out, he's out of the fight.If a guy gets caught in an armbar, ankle lock, kimura, etc. he's still in the fight assuming it's life & death.I'll leave it at that
amdturion123 1 year ago
@amdturion123 toney is still a boxing champ hes not washed up hes always looked like that lol. i would rather have boxing than bjj in a life or death situation unless the bjj guy has better wrestling because there are a lot of wrestling moves that can get boxers down very easily because a boxing stance is horrible when the other guy knows wrestling. and the takedown attempt wouldnt involve getting within punching distance a triangle, rear naked choke and guillotine are just a few that can kill.
sharkshockey19 1 year ago
Well Melvin obviously trains in jiu jitsu for defense, he's by no means a black belt, but the fact that he trains jiu jitsu at all makes your point moot.
zedrein18 1 year ago
WHICH YOUTUBER DO YOU THINK I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF?
the26thhour 1 year ago
When a bjj guy tries to get you in his guard, just stand up and kick the crap out of him while he's laying on his back like an idiot.
demoskunk 1 year ago
this is why you need standup grappling
if u do bjj, visit wrestling once a week or something, then ur takedowns will be pinpoint
if this bjj fighter had just little wrestling experience, the fight wouldve ended pretty quick
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
hahahaha! love this
mfho 1 year ago
the bjj guy is fucked but the commantator still defending bjj. what a shame.
HitMusicX 1 year ago
@HitMusicX tell me plz what is BJJ and MMA?
MrDragon3100 1 year ago
@MrDragon3100 BJJ IS BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU AND MMA IS MIXED MARTIAL ARTS MMA IS FIGHTING STYLES SUCH AS JIU JITSU,JUDO,KICKBOXING,WRESTLING AND WAY MORE.
pmc562 1 year ago
@MrDragon3100
Your question has nothing to do with what i wrote.
HitMusicX 1 year ago
Yes thats what I want to see. A good old striking art beating the crap outta these grapplers.
Striking is much funner to watch than hugging.
UncannyRicardo 1 year ago
Melvin trains BJJ also, he is not a kick boxer fighter he is a MMA fighter. The tittle of the video is not correct.
fbrisset 1 year ago
Its funny when BJJ is shown to have some short comings at times bjj start using the same excuses the TMA use. oh well this fighter wasnt the best. even worse they go in to well he sprawled that proves he is using bjj....??? face it bjj while a good art is not perfect and does lose to styles it claims it can beat with out trying. shit happens. what this should teach you is DON'T be a cocky son of a bitch and you will not have to eat crow.
wayoftheforesthand 1 year ago
There are fighting styles of all sorts. They all have their feilds of use. Like you can not have an army of BJJ fighters in a battle. Would be hilarious to see 400 ppl just drop to the ground.
Just as it would be retarded to put a professional boxer in the ring with a professional bjj fighter. boxer would get a broken arm.
PPCLOCK 1 year ago 2
@PPCLOCK true, im a boxer and started bjj just because i couldnt do ANYTHING when i was on the ground!! I love martial arts, so i started learning bjj, and i will do it hopefully at least the next 5 year! Hopefully!!
FfantasyF 1 year ago
@PPCLOCK It would be retarded to put a pro boxer in the ring with a pro bjj fighter? Boxer would get a broken arm? What happened in this video then? That bjj fighter, from the GRACIE family, got his ass kicked by the kick boxer!