Montgomery only knew attrition. When they were trying to cross, I believe the Rhine river, he took almost six months to make small two mile crossing. He wanted a sole British force to take a small beach head. Market-Garden could have been pulled off, if Montgomery had assumed their would be Panzer divisions. I would have. Never assume the enemy will not come out in force, always assume the worst, and expect the most from your enemy. He wanted glory, all he got was sweat and tears.
Montgomery was actually a fairly decent general, when he played the game he knew. What he learned from WWI was to plan every move in detail and pile up overwhelming amounts of ordnance, then grind the enemy down. The Market-Garden plan was completely atypical of Montgomery. It was the kind of plan a general like Rommel might have been able to pull off, by leading from the front and extemporizing like mad. And then only if there hadn't been panzers at the objective.
Interesting comment on the DVD extas: "Regarded by many as Germany's worst ever victory; If the Allies had won at Arnhem - they, and not the Soviets, would have occupied all of Berlin and most of Germany."
Montgomery was actually a pretty poor general, its only the british propaganda what made him the "saviour of the free world" Eisenhower wanted to use his own better generals but churchill wanted a brittish general in command also.
If there were any display of supreme arrogance and over confidence on the part of any man involved in MARKET-GARDEN you may rightfully place it upon Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery.
What a stupid dick head to come out with inane comment like that, I believe he has done that just to spark of controversy. Its not just English, Americans, Irish, Canadians, Australians, but all different nationalities who fought against the germans, Indian, Pakistanis, Fijians, Africans, and not forgeting the Ghurkas, it was a joint effort for all our allies, let us not forget that!!!
If Market-Garden worked, then it would be like the German assault on Crete, victory at a high cost. The gambit was bold and could have worked but too bad the inteligence overlooked the panzers present and the allied leaders were like "Let's get on with it". Still valor on both sides was incredible-The Waal crossing, the british defence at Arnhem and the yanks at Son and Nijmegen. (look up Pvt. John Towle, CMH winner) I salute them all!
@Curtissaviation operation market garden was a disaster from the very beginning because of bad planning and the superior attitude if the British high command. The British did not seem to realize that the German soldier was every bit as tough and well trained as the English.....and they they seemed to have forgotten that a rag-tag rebel Irish citizen army had fought them to a stand still twenty years before. The main problem with the British was a lack of memory.
@river2walk I agree with you. It was a combination of factors which led to the failure. I do believe it COULD have worked but only if the right circumstances were present.
Operation was a HIGHLY risky attempt to initiate. The plan Market could have succeeded with the help of using two airborne divisions at Arnhem 1st airborne and the 51st Highland Airborne. Also The plan Garden was sloppy if XXX Corps would have not slowed down then this whole operation would have been a successful dash across Holland and quickly over the Rhine
You said it kealyc, the fighting man always get's the dirty end of the stick, I remember having to stay in the same uniform for 2-3 months before changing into a fresh one, including underwear ! Fied rations do get old after a month, take care buddy
To me this music is genius and fantastically well applied in the film, moving you to hope, despair, optimism, pride, disbelief and awe at the event. A well researched, cast and executed film - -at least the Brits and the Yanks did that right!! - special mention Gene Hackman representing the valiant Poles.
@skudaarkaat1 I would agree that Montgomery was much over rated and his "victory" at El Alemein (which had absolutely nothing to do with Patton and happened before the US set foot in N. Africa) should really be attributed to General Alexander who turned the war in the desert in Britains favour before handing over to Montgomery.
not clearing the scheldt estuary was the major mistake opeing up the port of amsterdam...general horrocks is the only general that i have read about who admitted that it was a great mistake and pretty much took the blame for that saying no one thought of it..
Exactly, cornskid, he didn't give a fuck; he just wanted to get into Germany before Patton. Monty should have resigned following Market Garden. he paid tribute to the Paras afterwards (every man an emperor) so that they wouldn't think of criticizing him. Instead, the Paras hated XXX Corps.
Great to see in modern ireland that the men and women who fought and died in both world wars are getting there due recognition now-they fought not for queen and country but to feed there families
I am Irish but I have uncles who fought for all our freedom in the R.A.F. during W.11. And I'll never forget the sacrifice they and thousands of others they made to ensure our freedom...We can never, ever repay such heroes. Long live the R.A.F and freedom for all men.
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@river2walk I am French and I can tell you the Irish did dik all during the war. They spent most of their time raping little French boys. While we French liberated all of France and defeated Germany single handed. We were the victors of D-Day. It is a myth that the Allies landed. We were there et on a enculé la bestiole allemande. J'ai aussi enculé un prétre irlandais et il ma sucé la bitt epar la suite. So go fik urself u pak of micks and fik u!
@Fanfardon You are one vone zeely leetle Feunchman, the Germans steamrolled over the French in six weeks and if it were not for the Allies your country would only be a footnote in history....not the fault of the brave resistance fighters but of the morons who were in charge. As for the Irish doing nothing in the war....many fought and died in both wars..but we had our own wars to fight while the rest of Europe was at peace....Now for God sake take your medication, Viva La France!!
@river2walk You make much more sense than the frog asshole above. I have despised the French ever since they fucked us over in Libya in the 70's, and hope if they ever get into trouble again, we tell them where to go. They are the most UNGRATEFUL people on earth!!!!
@Fanfardon Hey, Frog, did you forget what happened on and after 6 June 1944?
Pull your head out of your ass, you parasite! OH - I'M SORRY the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions were FICTITIOUS and did absolutely NOTHING, according to your gratuitous assertion.
BEFORE 6 June 44 VICHY French troops OUTNUMBERED the Germans in France.
AFTER THE WAR there were more "resistance fighters" than there were French Army - yeah, right.
@DrMotorDude dont forget the amount of British and Canadian Troops which stormed the beaches as well at Gold and Juno beach. and the 1st Airbourne Division who fought side by side with the 101st. yeh sure there were French divisions which fought at D-day but it was the Americans and us Brits who did most of the dirty work. this guy clearly has no respect to the thousands of brave Allied forces who died liberating his country
@Fanfardon . The Allied armies have Liberated your country from the Germans 2 times in 25 years, How can you say France defeated Germany single handed. Take a walk thru Normandy and try counting the graves of those young men who gave there lives for your Country. Then thank god for your freedom and don't forget your Allies who have stood by France thru recent history. US Army Retired
@Fanfardon Charles De Gaulle said D-Day wouldn't work but look what happened. The French lost to the Germans because they were still using WW1 tactics. The French are always a war behind so thats why the British and its Commonwealth and the Americans had to save you frog ass.
@Fanfardon Bullshit. You're a high and mighty frenchie with no self esteem, just like the rest of your pussy friends. How about you go sell more of your women to prostitution and have your men make gay ass watercolors of art. I took french you douche, I'm part French you douche, Time to forget your old chivalric days, and start growing a pair. Lord knows you idiots practically fuck anything that moves in Paris. Being that pussy is the one thing you can't go without.
@Fanfardon Had it not been for the U.S., you'd be sucking some SS cock just so you didn't get sent to a concentration camp. You would sell out your friends, only to make up for your own kudos. Fuck the French, they were never good for anything anyways.
makethe 28 div memory not the best the us first army sufferred over 30,000 casualties...field marshall model is credited with the defense the cost so much for the american army ...
hurtgen forest brutal..29 division pretty much shot to pieces...if i remember correctly eddie slovak was executed because he couldnt take it anymore during this particular battle..
mates there are many poor decisions that result in waste of damn fine soldiers throughout history..there was some bad luck especially the refit of the panzer corps..
You and me mate. The battle of Arnhem left ten thousand brave soldiers dead fighting a battle they could never win. A simmilar battle happened in Hurtgen forrest, read it if you can get it, Arnhem pales into insignifence. Upto 40 thousand US soldiers were killed and wounded trying to take a forrest that had no strategic value. Who were the real heros of W11 or W1? and all the other wars The top brass got the glory but the private with his 303 rifle was lucky to come home in one piace,
Yes, and similar to the Palaus campaign in the Pacific which happened in the same time frame as Hurtgen and Market-Garden. What a lousy period in the war.
still Eagle027, a lot of circumstances helped in the operation failiure,like the weather, small number of gliders to transport the british 1st airborne, and many others, but still it was a poor plan
one of the great if"s: british didnt have enough paratroops but used mostly gliders...1st airborne had to land several miles away..now if the 101 or 82 made the drop..may have been much closer to the bridge..then who knows..
I have been to Arnhem and was last there on the 60th Anniversary, and amazing experience...The whole Dutch nation salutes those brave Paratroopers, every anniversary, with school child putting flowers on every grave stone, and tending the graves as part of their schooling....If you get the chance to go in September for the 65th it will bring a lump to your throat.....
I remember going to see the film in 77 when it came out, still remains a good memory. I stayed in Arnhem last year and visited the airborne museum in Oosterbeek, well worth a visit.
How did this film only make 7th? In who's pole? It's got to be the best, look at the cast list, you'll never get that calibre of stars together again, we couldnt afford the wages, Id love to see a remake done though, proper stuff and not bloated with CGI.
It is indeed one of the great war movies and was almost one hundred per cent factual, especially the sequence when Tony Hopkins and his men bravely held the bridge....Unfortunately the mission is generally regarded as one of the great failures of modern warfare, and perhaps it was, but the film was brilliantly made and the action sequences and actors were to the highest standards so....raylean1966.....I'm with you one hundred percent!! lol
I love most any part of history, however living in America I find American history rather dull as it has been crammed down my throat one too many times. :)
misleading title. it said 'themes' i was expecting more than just one. dislike for that
xNEM3SIZ 2 months ago
Montgomery only knew attrition. When they were trying to cross, I believe the Rhine river, he took almost six months to make small two mile crossing. He wanted a sole British force to take a small beach head. Market-Garden could have been pulled off, if Montgomery had assumed their would be Panzer divisions. I would have. Never assume the enemy will not come out in force, always assume the worst, and expect the most from your enemy. He wanted glory, all he got was sweat and tears.
colonelchris92 5 months ago
cool
angelin83136 6 months ago
Montgomery was actually a fairly decent general, when he played the game he knew. What he learned from WWI was to plan every move in detail and pile up overwhelming amounts of ordnance, then grind the enemy down. The Market-Garden plan was completely atypical of Montgomery. It was the kind of plan a general like Rommel might have been able to pull off, by leading from the front and extemporizing like mad. And then only if there hadn't been panzers at the objective.
tonedeaf49 7 months ago
monty was useless. with market garden he only justified he was one. the 1st airbonre got annihlated at arnhem
dakiler2028 10 months ago
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tell them we are coming
mrbroadsword1 1 year ago
Interesting comment on the DVD extas: "Regarded by many as Germany's worst ever victory; If the Allies had won at Arnhem - they, and not the Soviets, would have occupied all of Berlin and most of Germany."
crocfme 1 year ago
Montgomery was actually a pretty poor general, its only the british propaganda what made him the "saviour of the free world" Eisenhower wanted to use his own better generals but churchill wanted a brittish general in command also.
AKKUPATI 1 year ago
If there were any display of supreme arrogance and over confidence on the part of any man involved in MARKET-GARDEN you may rightfully place it upon Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery.
VEWenneker 1 year ago
This soundtrack was the most "mismatched " soundtrack ever. Kinda like "Operation Market-Garden" another Montgomery fiasco.
IJNAkagi1942 1 year ago
Great film
Brynjar19 1 year ago
What a stupid dick head to come out with inane comment like that, I believe he has done that just to spark of controversy. Its not just English, Americans, Irish, Canadians, Australians, but all different nationalities who fought against the germans, Indian, Pakistanis, Fijians, Africans, and not forgeting the Ghurkas, it was a joint effort for all our allies, let us not forget that!!!
1scorp1o1 1 year ago
Market Garden: another Bernard Montgomery cluster fuck!
hasablad69 2 years ago 2
A Masterful Genius score to a film of legendary cinema history with a immensely superb starring cast!!!
DetroitLove4U 2 years ago
If Market-Garden worked, then it would be like the German assault on Crete, victory at a high cost. The gambit was bold and could have worked but too bad the inteligence overlooked the panzers present and the allied leaders were like "Let's get on with it". Still valor on both sides was incredible-The Waal crossing, the british defence at Arnhem and the yanks at Son and Nijmegen. (look up Pvt. John Towle, CMH winner) I salute them all!
Curtissaviation 2 years ago 3
@Curtissaviation operation market garden was a disaster from the very beginning because of bad planning and the superior attitude if the British high command. The British did not seem to realize that the German soldier was every bit as tough and well trained as the English.....and they they seemed to have forgotten that a rag-tag rebel Irish citizen army had fought them to a stand still twenty years before. The main problem with the British was a lack of memory.
river2walk 1 year ago
@river2walk I agree with you. It was a combination of factors which led to the failure. I do believe it COULD have worked but only if the right circumstances were present.
Curtissaviation 1 year ago
Operation was a HIGHLY risky attempt to initiate. The plan Market could have succeeded with the help of using two airborne divisions at Arnhem 1st airborne and the 51st Highland Airborne. Also The plan Garden was sloppy if XXX Corps would have not slowed down then this whole operation would have been a successful dash across Holland and quickly over the Rhine
jamesmaccarthy 2 years ago
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field.
ferbess 2 years ago 3
You said it kealyc, the fighting man always get's the dirty end of the stick, I remember having to stay in the same uniform for 2-3 months before changing into a fresh one, including underwear ! Fied rations do get old after a month, take care buddy
hardsarge69 2 years ago
To me this music is genius and fantastically well applied in the film, moving you to hope, despair, optimism, pride, disbelief and awe at the event. A well researched, cast and executed film - -at least the Brits and the Yanks did that right!! - special mention Gene Hackman representing the valiant Poles.
wallooga 2 years ago 6
I still love the soundtrack of Band of Brothers the most (:
Lunchess 2 years ago
What if they gave a war and nobody came
goodtogonow3 2 years ago
Ain't gonna happen: people love it too much. If you don't then you just haven't found one that 'appeals.'
Hassar100 2 years ago 3
there is alway's somebody who wants to fight for his country
RIGHT GUY'S!!!
KoesKoes99 2 years ago 11
@KoesKoes99 Montgomery was a sissy,and I'm glad patton beat his ass to El Alemein!
skudaarkaat1 1 year ago
@skudaarkaat1 I would agree that Montgomery was much over rated and his "victory" at El Alemein (which had absolutely nothing to do with Patton and happened before the US set foot in N. Africa) should really be attributed to General Alexander who turned the war in the desert in Britains favour before handing over to Montgomery.
tomburley 1 year ago
@KoesKoes99 SIR NO! SIR!!!
(sorry i had to do it... i know this comment is OOOOLD btw... xD )
mosu95 1 year ago
not clearing the scheldt estuary was the major mistake opeing up the port of amsterdam...general horrocks is the only general that i have read about who admitted that it was a great mistake and pretty much took the blame for that saying no one thought of it..
pdogone1 2 years ago 4
I can just see Montegomery driving away from that one with a "SHIT HAPPENS" bumper sticker on his jeep.
cornskid 2 years ago 21
Exactly, cornskid, he didn't give a fuck; he just wanted to get into Germany before Patton. Monty should have resigned following Market Garden. he paid tribute to the Paras afterwards (every man an emperor) so that they wouldn't think of criticizing him. Instead, the Paras hated XXX Corps.
kealyc 2 years ago 2
Great to see in modern ireland that the men and women who fought and died in both world wars are getting there due recognition now-they fought not for queen and country but to feed there families
winkerwhelan 2 years ago
I am Irish but I have uncles who fought for all our freedom in the R.A.F. during W.11. And I'll never forget the sacrifice they and thousands of others they made to ensure our freedom...We can never, ever repay such heroes. Long live the R.A.F and freedom for all men.
river2walk 2 years ago 4
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@river2walk I am French and I can tell you the Irish did dik all during the war. They spent most of their time raping little French boys. While we French liberated all of France and defeated Germany single handed. We were the victors of D-Day. It is a myth that the Allies landed. We were there et on a enculé la bestiole allemande. J'ai aussi enculé un prétre irlandais et il ma sucé la bitt epar la suite. So go fik urself u pak of micks and fik u!
Fanfardon 1 year ago
@Fanfardon You are one vone zeely leetle Feunchman, the Germans steamrolled over the French in six weeks and if it were not for the Allies your country would only be a footnote in history....not the fault of the brave resistance fighters but of the morons who were in charge. As for the Irish doing nothing in the war....many fought and died in both wars..but we had our own wars to fight while the rest of Europe was at peace....Now for God sake take your medication, Viva La France!!
river2walk 1 year ago 5
@river2walk You make much more sense than the frog asshole above. I have despised the French ever since they fucked us over in Libya in the 70's, and hope if they ever get into trouble again, we tell them where to go. They are the most UNGRATEFUL people on earth!!!!
skudaarkaat1 1 year ago
@Fanfardon u just gave me the first belly laugh of the day ;-)
elljay1989 1 year ago
@Fanfardon Hey, Frog, did you forget what happened on and after 6 June 1944?
Pull your head out of your ass, you parasite! OH - I'M SORRY the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions were FICTITIOUS and did absolutely NOTHING, according to your gratuitous assertion.
BEFORE 6 June 44 VICHY French troops OUTNUMBERED the Germans in France.
AFTER THE WAR there were more "resistance fighters" than there were French Army - yeah, right.
France - ALWAYS THERE WHEN THEY NEED THE USA!
DrMotorDude 1 year ago
@DrMotorDude dont forget the amount of British and Canadian Troops which stormed the beaches as well at Gold and Juno beach. and the 1st Airbourne Division who fought side by side with the 101st. yeh sure there were French divisions which fought at D-day but it was the Americans and us Brits who did most of the dirty work. this guy clearly has no respect to the thousands of brave Allied forces who died liberating his country
dixie60 1 year ago
@dixie60 agreed! But there is NO excuse for the Vichy.
DrMotorDude 1 year ago
@Fanfardon
Let me guess, you French didn't actually get occupied in the first place, rite?
Gotta love kids making outlandish claims.
CrimzonReaperII 1 year ago
@CrimzonReaperII Now your getting it old boy!
Fanfardon 1 year ago
@Fanfardon . The Allied armies have Liberated your country from the Germans 2 times in 25 years, How can you say France defeated Germany single handed. Take a walk thru Normandy and try counting the graves of those young men who gave there lives for your Country. Then thank god for your freedom and don't forget your Allies who have stood by France thru recent history. US Army Retired
filmputzer 1 year ago
@Fanfardon Charles De Gaulle said D-Day wouldn't work but look what happened. The French lost to the Germans because they were still using WW1 tactics. The French are always a war behind so thats why the British and its Commonwealth and the Americans had to save you frog ass.
rumrich 1 year ago
@Fanfardon Tell the same to Guderian and his panzers in 1940, hero!
Franzh 1 year ago
@Fanfardon snail eating pricks surrendered the first fuckin chance you got
BossHossGT500 11 months ago
@Fanfardon shut up its not funny svinehound
davvvvo 9 months ago
@Fanfardon Bullshit. You're a high and mighty frenchie with no self esteem, just like the rest of your pussy friends. How about you go sell more of your women to prostitution and have your men make gay ass watercolors of art. I took french you douche, I'm part French you douche, Time to forget your old chivalric days, and start growing a pair. Lord knows you idiots practically fuck anything that moves in Paris. Being that pussy is the one thing you can't go without.
colonelchris92 5 months ago
@Fanfardon Had it not been for the U.S., you'd be sucking some SS cock just so you didn't get sent to a concentration camp. You would sell out your friends, only to make up for your own kudos. Fuck the French, they were never good for anything anyways.
colonelchris92 5 months ago
@river2walk Hi again. My mom's maiden name was McRee, and I LOVE the Irish! Erin Go Braugh!!!!!
skudaarkaat1 1 year ago
makethe 28 div memory not the best the us first army sufferred over 30,000 casualties...field marshall model is credited with the defense the cost so much for the american army ...
pdogone1 2 years ago
hurtgen forest brutal..29 division pretty much shot to pieces...if i remember correctly eddie slovak was executed because he couldnt take it anymore during this particular battle..
mates there are many poor decisions that result in waste of damn fine soldiers throughout history..there was some bad luck especially the refit of the panzer corps..
pdogone1 2 years ago
my best mate was in the parras that were used in the drop sequence.they were all real parras that day
2pikeman 2 years ago
I saw this movie in the theater when it came out. I left the theater so angry at the shear bloody waste of the British and Polish Paratroopers.
BEFinAR 2 years ago 5
You and me mate. The battle of Arnhem left ten thousand brave soldiers dead fighting a battle they could never win. A simmilar battle happened in Hurtgen forrest, read it if you can get it, Arnhem pales into insignifence. Upto 40 thousand US soldiers were killed and wounded trying to take a forrest that had no strategic value. Who were the real heros of W11 or W1? and all the other wars The top brass got the glory but the private with his 303 rifle was lucky to come home in one piace,
river2walk 2 years ago
Yes, and similar to the Palaus campaign in the Pacific which happened in the same time frame as Hurtgen and Market-Garden. What a lousy period in the war.
blacktar467899 2 years ago
Market garden was a tarded idea, added months to the war......still if it had worked it would have taken months off the war, you cannot win em all
cornskid 2 years ago 3
Poorly plannned , with no thought for proper intel.
Eagle027 2 years ago 6
still Eagle027, a lot of circumstances helped in the operation failiure,like the weather, small number of gliders to transport the british 1st airborne, and many others, but still it was a poor plan
jinpoi 2 years ago 4
Tremendous music, and an even more tremendous story of courage and sacrifice, those men deserve our eternal thanks, 'we must not forget'!!!
TheRebelspirit 2 years ago 4
Never fear...these brave men will always be remembered!
river2walk 2 years ago
one of the great if"s: british didnt have enough paratroops but used mostly gliders...1st airborne had to land several miles away..now if the 101 or 82 made the drop..may have been much closer to the bridge..then who knows..
pdogone1 2 years ago
I have been to Arnhem and was last there on the 60th Anniversary, and amazing experience...The whole Dutch nation salutes those brave Paratroopers, every anniversary, with school child putting flowers on every grave stone, and tending the graves as part of their schooling....If you get the chance to go in September for the 65th it will bring a lump to your throat.....
norriad 2 years ago
I remember going to see the film in 77 when it came out, still remains a good memory. I stayed in Arnhem last year and visited the airborne museum in Oosterbeek, well worth a visit.
rayleon1966 2 years ago
Must be some atmosphere there !....hope to visit some day!.....take care
river2walk 2 years ago
I'm going there tomorrow!
Airking4321 2 years ago
If your serious I hope you have a great trip but remember "ze air is still thick vith flying cricket balls!
river2walk 2 years ago
How did this film only make 7th? In who's pole? It's got to be the best, look at the cast list, you'll never get that calibre of stars together again, we couldnt afford the wages, Id love to see a remake done though, proper stuff and not bloated with CGI.
rayleon1966 2 years ago
It is indeed one of the great war movies and was almost one hundred per cent factual, especially the sequence when Tony Hopkins and his men bravely held the bridge....Unfortunately the mission is generally regarded as one of the great failures of modern warfare, and perhaps it was, but the film was brilliantly made and the action sequences and actors were to the highest standards so....raylean1966.....I'm with you one hundred percent!! lol
river2walk 2 years ago
Shame i can't spell poll properly....doh
rayleon1966 2 years ago
Fantastic film. Fantastic music. Thankyou!
*****
Myles0Harcourt 3 years ago
Glad you like it MylesOHarcourt!
river2walk 3 years ago
1 of the best war films of all time! :D
willtommygregg 3 years ago 5
it ranks seventh greatest
Taylorboast4 3 years ago
My Favourite war film of all time
Taylorboast4 3 years ago 3
i love this movie thank you
Macgyverandtheateam 3 years ago
I loved this movie and the music to it is first rate! Thanks
casto1964 3 years ago
AWESOME DUDE!!!!!!!!!!
historygenius 3 years ago 2
Love it too, what periods of history are you into may I ask? or, into history in all areas?lol
Aeroo123 3 years ago 3
I love most any part of history, however living in America I find American history rather dull as it has been crammed down my throat one too many times. :)
historygenius 3 years ago 3
so inspiring
cowlick035 3 years ago
Very welcome!
river2walk 3 years ago
Thanks
bobsaver 3 years ago