Part 1: Many Wives: Vows of Silence

[Ahashdah]

@yalabaster Libel is, in fact, an uneducated opinion!  You or anyone else, make an unsubstantiated and wild claim, about someone else's character: you practice the same filth that your wonder boy Joseph Smith practiced: he, also, made wild & unsubstantiated claims, against the character & reputation of those who brought forth allegations of wrongdoing. Smith deflected those allegations by smearing their character with libel...in an open forum (such as is the case, with the YouTube forum).

[Ahashdah]

I like that white-haired lady, at the beginning of the video. She is a throw-back (as in throw that fish back?) to the Joseph Smith era: but, she--as a C of C member...with a UTAH accent, no less---is indeed an unusual "fish", to be certain.

And, there she is pointing out that strange and wondrous RLDS temple with its spiral screw-top: conveying the singular message to one and all, "Screw U".

[orlovna2]

Good video, videofactmaker!

I once knew a granddaughter of Brigham Young, who was an old lady, back only a little more than 30 years ago. In my interviews with her, she reluctantly talked about growing up in a home where there were "sister wives" (which she called her "aunts"). Her father, one of Brigham's sons, married his 2nd wife in 1901, a full 11 years after Utah supposedly ended the practice, through Woodruff's "Manifesto". (This 2nd wife was Mrs. Young's mother).

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321 Thank God you Mormon idiot will never reply to me, again.

[enchantedsummer08]

@Katy7321 all you have to do is click on his name. it takes you to his channel there you can block him and he can never bug you again. he can try but the messages will never go to you. Blessings

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

Are you a man, or a woman? I think you are a man: a young one, at that.

IF you defame my character, THEN I will prosecute you, for libel. That is the promise.

It will be a natural consequence of your actions.

[yalabaster]

@orlovna2 You cannot sue for libel on the famosus libellus bases on an expressed opinion. Or in legal terms libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual such is not the case here also you should be aware It is a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the claimant. By all means waste the courts time and money to pursue this idiocy and enjoy the contempt charges you'll face.

[luciousllama]

@orlovna2 Really, gramps? Your not a good reader are you? You're going to prosecute her for libel? SHE LIVES IN MEXICO, YOU DON'T KNOW HER NAME, AND SHE'S DONE NOTHING TO YOU TO JUSTIFY SUCH!!! Go creep someone else and express your (wrong) opinion somewhere people who give a crap might actually listen!!... I believe polygamy is wrong, but youtube is not the place to accuse ayone unless they're a total idiot like you!! Can you just leave the poor girl alone?

[jodawng]

@orlovna2

Wow. I would really love to get a copy of that case, if you do sue. Proving false an "opinion" should make for interesting life, not to mention proving damages. But if you really want to, hey, seems like everyone is trying to get money out of someone. Case of character, in my "opinion".

[jhartist123]

orlovna2, I have a certain amount of pitty for athiest and any child or simple minded person who has been spoon fed a false teaching. But I have a down right ritchous anger for any church or group that IS spoon feeding theese people their evil false doctrin. They've crossed over into serving Satan. But for the Mormans to make their beliefs look exactly like Complete faith in Jesus Christ to get people in there so they can teach them there evil doctrin makes my blood boil.

[orlovna2]

@jhartist123

And, here's the thing: If you "lay the axe at the root" (of that tree), it will be the Top Fifteen (12 + 3) Mormon Leader Dogs who fully deserve the focus of all your attention. The "sheep" (many of them) are just willfully blind because ignorance, for them, is bliss. (And, it is the Top Leaders who have given them this "bliss").

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

If you are 26 years old, like your channel says, then YOU are the snot-nosed little baby, there! I have a grandchild almost your age!

I always report (and blow the whistle) on that "faulty product" known as the Mormon Church: and, as a whistleblower, I fully expect to encounter snot-nosed people, like you! You demonstrate the closed-mindedness of a religion that "touts itself" as quite the contrary: I point to your behavior as an example of mormon hypocrisy. Stay in Mexico. ok?

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

You are a coward, for blocking me from sending you a personal message. So, for that reason, my "personal message" has to be out in the open: right here.

I distinguish between insults & character defamation: apparently you don't! Better learn the difference

I'll tell the story of Norman Hancock (direct descendant of Levi Hancock of the Mormon D&C). His character was maligned, and he ended up suing the Stake Leader-dogs for smearing his reputation:

you slander, then I sue!

[jhartist123]

Joseph Smith the founder of Mormanism had like 35 wives so this old ladies a lier.

[orlovna2]

@jhartist123

The former RLDS (Reorganized Chruch...of Latter Day Saints), which is now CoC (Communities of Christ), NEVER believed that the founder of the church ever practiced polygamy: of course Smith's personal journals paint an entirely different story. Joseph Smith LOVED women! Even widows and women still married to their first husband, at the same time as becoming Smith's wife, too!

Smith's first philandering was with a pretty, young thing named Fanny Alger [see History of the Church]

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

Silly, little snot-nosed mormons, like you, are so "judgmental", that you have to make wild assertions, about others' characters. Be careful, there: your attempts at character assassination can get you SUED!

Do NOT attack someone's character, you little mormon dolt!

I can heckle you, for being slow in "getting it". You cannot, make "wild accusations", with impunity, about a person's character!!

To malign someone's character is LIBEL!

Simply calling you morms mor(m)ons is not.

[johneamer]

Remember Mormom men believe that they will practice plural marriage in the after life. Something Romney fails to mention and also not to mention that some day he will be a  god with his own planet.

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

When you "decide" that the mormon god is not a capricious, mind-changing, waffling little weasel (like Mitt Romney), let us all know? OK?

Joe-Joe Smith was an ADULTERER (by his very own definition), as defined in D&C 132, relating to "what was and was not acceptable", regarding the taking of extra wives.

PRAISE TO THE MAN WHO DIDST DIDDLE YOUNG HELEN

JEBUS APPROVED OF THAT SMITH-man GIGOLO!

BLASTED HIS WAY OUT OF CANYONS, ARROYOS

HE'LL BE REMEMBERED, UNLESS HE HAS TWO HO'S.

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

I know you are "slow", but that's alright. ok?

To EXPOSE something is to REVEAL the inherent "dismal safety record" of a dangerous and/or unsafe product, as well as the lies of the company that promotes it.

The Mormon Crutch IS the old FORD PINTO: a "vehicle" with such a poor safety record, that it exploded, when rear-ended.

FORMER Pinto owners have an absolute 'Right to Expose" such a "product", for what it truly IS: based on hard data and loads of experience, driving one!

AMEN

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

You do NOT know that, 3 months before the executive order, by the governor of Missouri, that Sydney Rigdon gave an inflammatory speech about there being "a war of extermination" (between morms & their "supposed" enemies, across the river, in Missouri)??

Mormons don't kill anyone? You must be an ignorant convert of the church! I cannot BELIEVE that you don't know about Morms "doing their duty", by killing the Baker-Fancher wagon train, in 1857.

SEPTEMBER 11, 1857: a seminal year!

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 ostracized when he made fun of Congress for wanting to side with Boggs in the extermination order of the Mormons. He said, "We should send our southern males into Missouri, and they with their animation will woo the Mormon women away from their husbands." The majority in Congress didn't think he was funny, and codemned his remarks that humorly supported the Mormons. He like Crockett left DC and headed toTexas and therethey started an independant nation much like the Mormons did in Utah

[orlovna2]

@Katy7321

Who taught YOU your religion, there?!!

Brigham Young made the practice of polygamy POPULAR, in Utah! (For, until 1847, it was done quietly & privately, in Nauvoo!)..

The Woodruff Manifesto accomplished NOTHING! It was a sham of an appeasement, to the U.S. government, in the latter's demands, re: statehood!

I knew an LDS woman who lived unhappliy, as the "daughter of a polygamist". Her last name was Young: her father married her mother (the "sister wife"), in 1904.

[orlovna2]

I like where, at 0.11, you have this ELDER Thelma Morgan! That is just so silly! "Elders" were always men, not women.

[videofactmaker]

@orlovna2 The RLDS church (now called the Community of Christ) has ordain women as elders for decades now. See the wikipedia article on Restoration Branches.

[orlovna2]

@videofactmaker

I knew that was true: I still find it "silly". Rather like the Lutheran Church making women "pastors".

[enchantedsummer08]

@orlovna2 wow... Katy is right you are stupid. bitter and you do not have a working knowage of any of the branches of the LDS church. just shut the hell up

[HipHopcheerleader]

The state shouldn't do anything about it. Why should the state get involved with freedom of religion. GET UP AND LEAVE THE ORGANIZATION ! Then you can get some assistance from the law. You sign up for it, then when it goes bad u wonderin' y? Come on. If I already know that alter boys are molested, even the posibility makes me not allow my son to become an alter boy. Make a decision for yourself People GOSH ! EXACTLY WHY I REFUSE RELIGION-ALL RELIGION

[IExposeMormonism]

I'm having problems counting all the Pentagrams slathered on Carthage jail. I can see 2 between the window where Joe jumped. I see one to the right. and at least one on the front. In another video I saw larger pentagrams. So I guess Mormons like Pentagrams. At min 1:50 "New Christians" is incorrect. Mormonism is Polytheistic and polygamous. Christianity isn't. Polygamy is legal in Israel now, maybe Mormons should be friendlier with Jews, Mormons moving to Zion is a great idea.

[VictorLepanto]

@IExposeMormonism: I don't think the Carthage jail was originally Mormon property. They do now, so maybe they've added the designs to the building since. It was originally a public building, now public officials in early America were heavily influenced by Masons. I believe the modern Carthage jail is supposed to be a faithful adaptation of the old building.

[IExposeMormonism]

@VictorLepanto True, it was originally Freemason's who owned and controlled everything to do with law, travel, printing, etc. So, we know that Everyone at Carthage was a Freemason. Inside the jail and outside it. Yeh, The Morg' probably put slathered the place in Pentagrams, I haven't found any in pictures from that time. So, it was Freemason then and now. Mormonism=Freemasonry

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism I have to correct you on saying Christianity doesn't beleive in Polytheism. The Catholics had a problem explaining God, The Hold Ghost, and Jesus, so they made a creed against it. Probably due to the Romans love of authoritarian govt at the time, and embracing Judeaism would help unite Rome in the Eastern part of the Empire. Christians stll have problems with Polytheism, it's one of their sticking points. Jews themselves hate it when Jesus/God is depicted in the Form of Man

[IExposeMormonism]

@dons123111 I'll have to disagree. Only Christians had an issue. Did you know Polygamy is legal is Israel today?

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism There are 1400 Christian sects for good reason. Christianity in it's truest form is pluralistic. It started that way and not until the council of Nice did it try and be authoritarian. Paul lived in and studied in Greece for 9 years. Greeks were tolerant pluralists and polytheists. They had many Gods, and Hercules was a half man half god. They even had a God of the underworld much like satan is depicted in many of the Christian Sects today. Hercules mother was virgin. The simil

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism arilties go on and on. Far as polygamy, Muslims and ancient Hebrews are polygamists. Most of Africa and Asia had polygamy. The Greeks however were monogamus and they are the foundation of western culture. Some Greek and Roman cults beleived in celibacy, and some Christians adopted it, mainly the Catholics, Shakers, and some Lutheran and Anglicans practice it. Depends alot on your environment as you grow up to which is stranger, celibacy, polygamy, or monogamy.

[IExposeMormonism]

@dons123111 you're just plain wrong on polygamy. and Christianity. But it is legal in Israel today. you'll have to research it. and Mormon polygamy is special. it nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts. defines innocent blood, threatens his wife with death and it led directly to the Mountain Meadows Massacre

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism I'm not wrong on any of it. The main Mormon polygamists pre 1900, never threatened thier wives with death. Most of the women who entered into polygamy left it and were never harmed. It's just a fact. What lead to the Mtn Meadows massacre was the US govts Tyranny, not only towards Mormons, but towards the Mormons allies, the Paiute Indians who helped in the massacre. If the US Govt had been civil, perhaps the massacre wouldn't have taken place. But genoicide was those days norm.

[IExposeMormonism]

@dons123111 Of course your wrong. It is the Polygamy Revelation that threatens Joes wife with death and thus by implication any wife. The Army did nothing. they camped east thru a bitter winter and marched thru town and then slept in hot dust 50 miles from SLC. BFD. Neither was their a norm of genocide. If there had been the MMM wouldn't have created the sense of moral revulsion

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism You are absolutely incorrect. Genocide by the American Govt on Indians was the norm. Trail of Tears was a forced march that murdered over 6,000 Indians. The US Govt outlawed Indian Tribal Govt in the south. Meanwhile, during this same period, Mormons were preaching to the Indians in the same area and their beleif was that Indians were equal with the White Man. Brigham Young had made treaties with the Indians that provoked the Genocide seekers, and lead into the Utah War. As the

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

Where do you get this irresponsible nonsense? From Wikipedia?

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism army moved west, word got out that Young had gotten the entire Paiute Nation, with their independent govt, to allie with the Mormons. Over 1 million Indians would have wiped out the Tyrannical US Army if the Mormons were attacked. They camped out and negotiated instead. Without the alliance of the Paiutes, and some of the Navajoes, the Army probably would have wiped out the Mormons. Even to this day, the Paiutes and Navajoes never suffered the Genocide that other tribes got.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

The "tyrannical U.S. Army"? What fairy tales have you been reading? Your g-g-g-grandmother's? This is "irresponsible reporting", on your part.

There was one simple reason--and one reason only---for the U.S. Government to have sent a Regiment or a Battalion, into Utah: it was for the reason that MY GOVN'T (nor your Briggy-Piggy government) decided that Brigham Young could no longer serve the interests of the USA, as governor of Utah Territory. And, they wanted...(to be cont'd)

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 What do you call the Civil War then a "re-enactment?" how many people were murdered in that war? Mormons said there would be a civil war, another reason to leave Nauvoo. They didn't want anything to do with those Ugly Tyrannical Conscription filled Armies who's depravities filled prison camps, camps that were mere extermination centers, like Auscthwitz for genocide. but you say the executioners were Freedom fighters. You even condemn freedom of information that Wikepedia offers.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

Wikipedia is written by people like you: without any sources to quote from!

Your "persecution complex" is firmly entrenched , though, I see.

"Head for the hills! It's "THEM vs US", Brother Brigham!"

(You are very predictable, did you know that?)

BY THE WAY, did you "know and love" Heber J. Grant? (Yes, you were too young to have known him: you were born later).

HEBER told the "German Saints" to "jump into the back pocket of Hitler"

He did this, by repeating A of F #12...

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Wikepedia is written by people, just like any other encyclopedia, but not restricted to school and academic cartels who pretend to have a monopoly on history or any other knowledge. It is alot more extensive, and outgrows traditional encyclopedias that are under scrutiny for being biased by fewer people who write what is written. All religious leaders tell their flocks in foreign countries to abide by the rules there, and fight with them when war erupts. Hitler's Wermacht Army was Cath

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Catholics and Lutherans, who fought against American and British Catholics and Lutherans. This goes back to all the wars since at least the Reformation. New evidence shows that notorius Nazis namely Dr Mengele were smuggled out of Germany by the Catholic Church to Paraguay. Yet the Catholics welcomed Pattons army into Italy with alocades. Now the Protestant and Catholic Churchs are busy smuggling in Mexican Nationalists into America even though they are unlawful. All religions are anti

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

And, OLD HEBER reminded the Germans to be "under authority" (and be loyalists, to Cousin Adolf). So, up jumps one of the LDS branch presidents and runs out and joins the Nazi Party: like a good Mormon Follower. (This is a story that can be confirmed, through reading the Helmut Huebner story).

Oddly, young Mormons, today, think that Huebner was "brave", for printing anti-Hitler tracts, instead of following Heber's "orders". The Church excommunicated Huebner, for insubordination!

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 I guess you beleive that Camp Douglas during the Civil War was a girl scout camp. The US Army exterminated more Confederates there then any Prisoner of War camp during the Civil War. They weren't even given dignified burials. 6,000 of them were buried in a mass grave, and they called it a paupers grave. Most of the prisoners starved or froze to death, as bad a death as any Jew recieved from Hitler. The US is my govt, and my govt was guilty of these crimes. Persecution complex? lol.c'mo

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

CONT'D, part 2

And, they (the representatives of Govnt) wanted to be sure that Breed'm Young did not retaliate, at the installing of a new, non-Mormon governor, in the place of that Empire-building jackal, Young, himself!

(The U.S. had already seen the amount of absolute power that Young had exerted, in that Territory, through the absolute willingness of the Mormon people to subject themselves to President Young, as to any king, or ruler, or any other mormon-church president....

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

CONT'D, part 3

Your weirded-out "revisionist history" smacks of the Mormon Persecution Complex that is so evident among you: to this very day! The U.S. Army was not there, to kill you paranoid creeps, you bag of dirt! They were sent there, to make sure your kind did not start an uprising, when the "keys of government" were wrenched away from that Absolute Dictator, Young!

The tyranny was Brigham's: not the U.S.

The U.S. knew full well the lessons of submitting to a king...

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

CONT'D, part 4

It is ODD, at least, that the rest of the country STILL does not believe in "subjecting themselves to a king" (or ANY absolute dictator). WE--true Americans--overthrew the tyranny of England. Yet, even today, you spew out your Article of Faith #12, which has good little Morms, everywhere, believing in being good, loyal subjects of KINGS...and of mormon-church presidents.

This LDS tyranny thing is what YOU are under: even today!

(You willingly submit to it!)

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

CONT'D, part 4

It is so "odd" that you would find a freedom-loving country "tyrannical", by wanting to make sure that your Briggy Kingdom play by the rules!

The TYRANNY of absolute control lay inside your precious little Utah Territory: which--sadly, for Breed'm Young--still was a territory of the U.S., and not a "mormon" territory!.

You got your history ass-backwards, and it shows!

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism You mention the MMM. But the revulsion was because it was white people who were murdered and not Indians, and the hate of Mormons, that created a revulsion. The hate and murder of Indians or Mormons, did not raise any revulsion. It's Hypocritical. John D Lee the alleged leader of the MMM had 18 wives, and all but 8 divorced him. They either married other Mormonon men in monagamous relationships or moved out of Utah. Mormons allowed women to vote which brought on hate also.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

You are one of the WORST UTAH WEIRDOS that I have every seen!

I hope the "mormon converts" aren't taught this dirt! A good liberty-loving person will NOT embrace your persecution-complex paranoia (the same kind of paranoia that was rampant, inside the former Soviet Union, when "that" system of government, too, controlled the flow of information, within it.

- - -

"Not everything that is true is useful." --Packer

(Paraphrase: "WE will tell you what is useful and what isn't!)

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

RE: You are one of the WORST....

CORRECTION: I misspelled the word "ever", on the second line.

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Davy Crockett fought against the Indian Removal Act. Afterwards, the opponents who were against it were ostracized. As he was leaving Washington DC, he said. "You can all go to hell and I will go to Texas." Like the Mormon Leaders, Crockett was a Frontiersman, who's ancestors were part of the American revolution. You probably didn't know this, but George Washington was the most popular Mormon male name at the time when they moved to Utah. Samuel Houston, another politician was ostraciz

[dons123111]

@IExposeMormonism Moreover, the same US Govt Army was led by General Johnson, a southerner who's sympathies were with the Forced march and Genocide of the Indians out of Mississippi called the Trail of Tears. During that same period, Martin Van Buren was president who allowed murders at Hans Mill to go uncontested by any investigation on the part of the Govt. The war against Indians and Mormons were simultaneous in 1831, and called for the exterminations of both.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

Quote your source material, please. Quote the source where there was a "call to exterminate Native Americans". That is just plain irresponsible nonsense, for you to say that. Quote your sources!

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Indian Removal Act, 1830, signed by Congress and President Andrew Jackson. It's called the Trail of Tears. Some soldiers who fought later in the Civil War, said the Trail of Tears was worse then anything they saw at Shiloh or Gettysburg. It was alot like the Bataan Death March but 100 times worse. Indian women were made to shoot their own men, and the Chief was shot by Indian women while guns were held on their children. They didn't show this on F Troop episodes or John Wayne Movies.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

You are "obfuscating the real issue, here". You remind me of Muslims who point the finger at Christians of today, for what was done, in 1015 A.D., during the Crusades.

The REAL issue has to do with your LDS Leaders and their "Anti-Freedom" ideas.

I think it is fair to see likenesses, between secular systems and religious systems, of government: to draw parallels.

Your leaders have "always" extolled the bravery of George Washington (in the fight, for liberty)...BUT...(cont'd)..

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 freedom, much like Govt who's leaders need to live by the sweat of others. You act as if Mormons suddenly dropped out of the sky, but in fact, most of the Mormon leaders at the time of Joseph Smith came here either thru Jamestown NY, or the Mayflower. The Mayflower that landed at Plymouth Rock were not secular, they were religious who were following religous beliefs of the gathering of the 10 tribes of Israel. Read Sir Francis Bacon on this matter, since he was one of the financiers.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

(cont'd)...BUT...you, yourselves, are "LOYALISTS" (not freedom fighters)!

In the Colonial Period, you couldn't "have it both ways, at McMormon's": you were either a Loyalist, or one who championed the cause of Liberty.

If the Mormon Crutch had been created a mere 60 years earlier, your Leaders would have encouraged you to "..be subject to [the king]...in [and by] obeying...the [king, in his, the king's law.

I talked with one who naively thought it was "the rule of law"...

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Mormons can't be considered loyalists, since they didn't beleive in the rights of Kings anymore then Episcopalians do, or Presbryterians. Their belief was a Prophet, like Moses, or Abraham. Much like the Mayflower whom they are descended from, saw Pastors as the ultimate authority and created a religous govt. The rule of man vs the rule of law. The rule of man is like todays Bureacrats, or Czars. Read FA Hayek on the difference from his book Road to Serfdom. American's really don't

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

(cont'd)...RE: "rule of law".

BUT, there is no "rule of law", in any type of government, except where LIBERTY lives! (or, in other words, in democracies and republics).

Apart from any rule of LAW, there is a "rule of KINGS". We learned, those many years ago, that kings were "totalitarian". And, that is true.  George Washington (and the REAL freedom fighters) knew this, from first-hand experience, under such tyranny.

And, yet, mormon "prophets" say to be under a king.....

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 don't live under the rule of law any longer. Since 1964 when contract laws were forbidden, we have been under the rule of man. Mormons actually voted, and their women did too. They call it sustaining. But unlike Kings, the Mormon church is voluntary and many people did not attend mtgs or tithe. Rules of man, everyone is taxed or you face losing your property or your life. He would have been executed even if the Mormons hadn';t have excomunicated him. Most religous leaders do not want

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

(cont'd)...RE: "under a king.."

There appears to be no qualitative difference, at all, between "being a Loyalist" (being under a king), and being loyal to, and subject to, Hitler. The same "punishment" was "available" to any Mormon who would NOT take the "advice" of Heber J. Grant.

Helmut Huebner was excommunicated, for insubordination, surely.

He was EXECUTED (after the church excommunicated him, and while he was in a prison), for "speaking a word against" Hitler....

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

(cont'd)...RE: "speaking..against Hitler..."

What is really scary (for young people, no doubt) is that "here cometh one Elder Dallin H. Oaks", who says not to "speak a word against The Brethren".

Oaks' real quote is this: "Don't criticize [me,Oaks], even if [I][Oaks][am] wrong."

(This is a paraphrase, but he WAS referring to himself AND the other men of the German High Command...er, of "The Brethren".

There's no substantive difference, in what Heber did and what Oaks does!

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Most religous leaders do not want anyone to speak against them. Since Religion nowadays is voluntary, they can leave if they wish. Look at the Catholic Pope, they say he is Infallible. There was not force used against Mormons to stay in the Mormon Church, either during Heber J Grants Day or Dallin Oaks today. Look, if you start your own business, are you going to allow others to run it without your say so? Religous Leaders are open to criticism, even your Church won't put upwithmisfits

[orlovna2]

@IExposeMormonism

That is TRUE (what Brigham taught, especially, re: all former "contracts" are nullified, including marriages made outside the mormon crutch).

OF COURSE, Morms cannot today "enforce" such a nullification: because of the laws of the country, itself.

BUT, the "permission" that Parley P. Pratt gave himself, to just go in and "take" Hector McLeans' wife, was largely a reflection of not recognizing McLean's marriage, to his wife.

(McLean shot that "horse thief", Pratt, too!)

[orlovna2]

@orlovna2

ADDENDUM I

(re: Parley Parker Pratt, the "horse thief")

And, YES, back in the 1850s (until circa 1900), there was an "automatic permission" to HANG (and/or shoot) HORSE THIEVES.

I can just about hear the voice of Hector McLean, as he chased Pratt, on horseback:

"You stole my wife, you HORSE THIEF! Now, you gonna die!)

Poetic Justice is all I can say, about a deluded, mormon-dufus, so-called apostle, who stole a man's wife and was chased down and killed, for it.

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Today, if you steal someones wife, the law protects you. But hey, the laws didn't protect Mormons back then, neither did the protect blacks and Indians, or Jews or any other peoples in the besides the good ole boy club.

[orlovna2]

@dons123111

Mormons had their own "good old boy" club: with King Briggy being the king of the club! If you "got on-board with Briggy's CocoPuff Train", then you were "safe": if not, you could become hunted down: as was the case with William (Bill) Hickman, after the latter decided not to continue being Briggy Young's henchman (viz., assassin for the church), any more.

[dons123111]

@orlovna2 Tell me how safe it was back during the Civil War. How many women and children were raped murdered, and brutalized from Richmond to Atlanta. Oh, that's rights, the self righteous Yankees made sure no one put that in the papers. So all the thousands of victims are dead and gone, while Mormons are splashed across the headlines.

[IExposeMormonism]

@orlovna2 And the congregation said Amen. Why a Mormon can't see this is living proof of the deception they live in

[orlovna2]

@IExposeMormonism

I really like your post, here: and the subtle satire you throw in.

Mormons moving to ZION! Good one! Because, as most people know, this "Zion" of the Bible is right there, where (Jewish) Zionists live!

And, that way, Mormons would have to become REAL freedom fighters (in Israel), instead of Loyalists, following dictators like they did, with Hitler, 65-70 years ago!

Maybe those silly and stupid mormons would somehow "redeem themselves", if they DID go to Israel.

LMAO

[uiwqe]

damm temples look like haunted houses just like joey smith looks like the devil.

[uiwqe]

you see,,once polygamy became against the law,,god suddenly chnaged his mind and said they cant do it no more!LOL

[uiwqe]

i consider joey smith to be a jerkoff.

[orlovna2]

@uiwqe

Maybe joe-joe was a gigolo, instead! (With 33 wives recorded, in his personal journals, and in The Comprehensive History of the Church; and, in the LDS.ORG genealogical files.)

(Smith even tried to justify his polygamy, in that "revelation" that he received, in 1842, where--in D&C, 132--Smith sets the "conditions" for taking of additional wives, in order for him not to be guilty of adultery! All were to be virgins: but Smith had 9 or 10 who weren't virgins! Oop! Smith = adulterer

[MsOrlandos]

a bit like protestants then.............when they dont agree they just start up a new church ?????

[awolLDSasap]

Oh really, you forgot about Mountain Meadows? There were many murders commited by mormons. One of the Hodge brothers was stabbed to death on Brigham Youngs door step.

[Sytch4Me]

Yea, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The difference is, the bible documented those instances but never mandated polygamy in order to attain a heavenly hope. "For no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory." -D&C 132:4

[Sytch4Me]

Doctrine and Covenants Section 132, the Mormons still hold to this book and accept it as scripture.

[IExposeMormonism]

Polygamy is Mormon. The revelation stands intact and unaltered: can't say that for the BofM and DofC. It is intrinsic to Mormonism. They are chaffing at the bit inside the Mormon temple, the Hierarchy is awaiting it authority to extend its authority over its sheeple. It is a beautiful insidious binding force on its victims.

[meltngstn3141]

mormons don't practice. the people that practice it are flds. get your facts straight

[IExposeMormonism]

Read what I said. I didn't say Mormons practice it. I said the Revelation is intact and awaiting expression. The Rev' is Unaltered and you certainly can't say that of the BofM and D&C. learn to read

[awolLDSasap]

Mormons refuse to see they're all tied together with mormons umb chord.

[IExposeMormonism]

Mormon Polygamy, strictly speaking comes only thru the Hierarchy. So, Flds, etc are not obedient to the Hierarchy and thus are apostates. But FLDS is obedient to J. Smith True Mormoism. Such are the contradictions in mormonism. So the polygamy argument comes down not to Polygamy but obedience to the Mormon Hierarchy. That's Reality. Mormonism is at its heart Pure Cruel Condemnation of your marriage and the Simultaneous establishment of Mormon marriage to a Mormon Hierarchy and its will.

[IExposeMormonism]

Oh, Polygamy was actively practiced by the Mormon Hierarchy well up to 1915,. I posted legal text showing this. George Cannons son committed Suicide when JF Smith compelled him to it. Joseph F Smith, 1905, "Blood Atonement and origin of Polygamy" says J Smith was killed at Carthage Because of Polygamy. So, everyone at Carthage knew their lives were threatened by Polygamy alone. Mormon Polygamy nullifies all non mormon marriages and contracts. Where did Mormons gain authority over my marriage?

[beachlady78]

The mainstream LDS church believes in polygamy for HEAVEN! YUK! If a LDS man is sealed to a woman and she dies, he (MEN) can be sealed to another woman and have them both in heaven. Many mormon men have done this! Look it up! It happens in LDs temples everyday! Plus the belief in all the polygamous families of the past together forever. Special HUH!

[dowling1981]

Would Bob Hoskins agree?

[orlovna2]

@dowling1981

Wasn't Bob Hoskins the guy who played a character role, in the Charles Dickens story, "David Copperfield"?

[dowling1981]

@orlovna2 Perhaps. I have been waiting for a year for an answer to my question. Why did it take you so long?

[awolLDSasap]

If you believe there is a Hell, that's where the polygamists take up residence. There is NO outer darkness, black hole. I'm quite sure there are deeper parts of Hell where Ervil Labaron and Hitler are now.

[IExposeMormonism]

And Polygamy is Legal is Israel. The commentator tells us this at minute 5:45. I type this in all the time. Why does the US Government and Media out lets make this common Knowledge?? Could it be the OFFENSIVE Moral Qualities in Polygmay? Which do you like best: Mormon Polygmay or Jewish Polygamy. Or Muslim??. QUESTION:: What is the MORAL relationship of a Christian to a Jewish Theocracy? Just curious. (Oh, and a Mormon Theocracy) How much does a Christian owe these two????

[IExposeMormonism]

"and the people who practiced polygamy had come from pagan backgrounds". Hmmm, would that include Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon? They conjured it up......cooked in hell and served it to the world. Did These two leave their brains in the furnace too long?

[gowalkingathinline]

The well documneted history of plural marriage seems to be a thorn in the sides of many LDS members. While it has officially been banned by the mainstream church. Many who are unfamiliar continue to connect the practices of the FLDS with the LDS.

When the Mormons came to Utah they had the territory to themselves!! Why not set up a society where BOTH men and women had rights to education and employment??

[Fractylmania]

thank you for the documentary!

[Mink4i]

Truly a horrific practice. Honestly... I pity those women and their children...

[IExposeMormonism]

I posted some Mormon Polygamy Caves in the Grand Canyon. c. 1913. There is only one way to stop Mormonism. Make it illegal. It is immoral. It is violent. It swears it in its oaths. It is hell on earth. it is a lie. It is also a sick imitation of old world Jewish and Muslim religious beliefs

[dimtry19]

..Equally blasphemous to polygamy is the mormon doctrine of "blood atonement" ..See this youtube video called WHAT IS BLOOD ATONEMENT?--LDS..the woman on that video was murdered.. Who knows how many murders were committed by mormons through the yeasrs because they were deceived into believing this doctrine that joseph smith, brigham et alt they received as "revelations" from God...God, in His justice will repay ALL (Lds and Flds) who to this day defend them as "prophets"..

[allydoll88]

this was quite informative.....a glance into their world kinda

[DadsBlueAngel]

A minority of Mormons have always practiced polygamy--

by pagan she means indians/

[DadsBlueAngel]

40 shots.

[nelsnav]

missJoanofarc, can you tell me who's prophets having of many wives? Then is God considered him a righteouss and not comitted a sin upon Him? Give me some verse to be an evidence that God commanded for every man for having a plurality of wives. Then, if you cant give even a single verse of that such gospel then the whole Mormons had been decieved by Joseph Smith.

[thegirl44]

As have the Muslims by Muhammad.

[DadsBlueAngel]

I am sorry--my access to written material

is not high rigght now. Members of the early

church practicedd polygamy--I don't know that the Church itself preached it. There are a

numbber of minor references--if you have a

good concordance, there is mention of a woman named Abigail.

Personally, I suspect that early Church members practiced jewish law on the subject,

Orthodox Jews practiced a form of polygamy,

alllowing it in the case of barrenes or illness of the 1st wife.

[missJoanofarc]

I am impressed with all the misinformation. It starts with ridiculous claims of "pagans" in early LDS history and moves from there. Apparently this woman has not opened a standard K.J. bible since many prophets were polygamist and not pagan. I'm ex-mormon.

[DadsBlueAngel]

I think she means indians full or in part.

[DadsBlueAngel]

I think she means indians full or in part, Joseph Smith and

Brigham Young did have East Coast Indian body guards who

had tremendoes influence.

[kolobkrunch]

Utah Mormon Inc IS related to Texas Fundamentalist Mormon YZF Ranch

Utah MOrmon Inc. Insistence that they are not connected only proves that Mormon INC LIES!

[DadsBlueAngel]

Russia forced children to lie to protect their parents in the cold war.

[DadsBlueAngel]

Russia forced children to lie to protect their parents in the cold war-it has been many years since all but these unfortunate people, being poor and isolated, beieved in Blood atonement.

[mytimeisablur]

Ugh they're not Christians - it makes me so angry when people say mormons are Christians when they believe that they will BECOME gods when they die. They also believe that Christ's sacrifice was not enough, and that he is Satan's brother. That's not Christian at all

[ahfafa6892]

They believe in a single god, and Jesus Christ being his son. That would be Christianity.

So their values aren't exactly ideal in most people's opinion. But neither were the crusades, or the Inquisition, or any of the things that extreme religion makes people do.

[heymatt90]

i know that people do many things wrong and say jesus said i should do it. thats exactly what joesph smith did he told white men that they were better than black people because their ancestors didn't rebel. and jesus said no one will come after me if joseph smith is a prophet then he is contradicting jesus by saying he's a prophet because jesus is the last man who can speak on God's behalf.

[ahfafa6892]

It doesn't matter. Smith doesn't have to be a prophet, just a founder. Martin Luther and John Calvin weren't prophets but they churches they created were Christian and they certainly "told" their followers what to believe.

[maybetuesday1790]

@mytimeisablur You said it all. They are sick, sick people. The fact that they believe that Joseph Smith is a profit doesn't even make sense. The whole premise of Jesus giving himself up-as God's son- is enough to save mankind.Why would God need to send another?

[xburningheavensx]

It is a more relative issue than you seem to imagine. Mormons believe in Christ, hence they can be designated as 'Christ' ians of a kind. To 'inherit the kingdom of God' is surely to made heirs of all that God has, and Satan, like Christ is a creation of God, Isaiah 45:7. Religion is bullshit, but there is justification for Mormon doctrines in the Bible.

[2y8]

mormons are disgusting. if they do read the bible why the fuck up ten commandments. sick sick sick.

[wluchick]

They don't read the Christen version of the Bible, they have their own doctrine.

As well not all mormons participate in polygamy. Only a few sects do.

[wluchick]

Sorry, Christian.

[burce75]

Actually they follow the "Christian" King James version of the Bible. They also believe in the Book of Mormon

[DadsBlueAngel]

There was a trend in the Anglican Church in the fetid and very poor Port City Slums called the Benthamites. These used the little time provided to workers by the Sabbath to teach reading. The King James bible was the only one available. If a a family had a book, it was this. This kept the English of King James alive, and alternate translations were available in the margins. I've almost given up on the Evangelical Bible because it is so poorly indexed.

[neuterpets]

Genetic disorders due to intermarrying which is gonna happen with polygamy.

FUMERASE deficiency is caused by a lack of the fumarase enzyme, an essential component in a biological process called the Krebs cycle, which converts food into energy within each cell. Not enough of the fumarase enzyme can lead to severe mental retardation and physical deformities.

[evelina420]

These people are all related - it's a closed commnity there is no outsiders coming in... they recreate within the same community since early 1900s and have the same descendant - joseph smith & brigham young... i wouldn't be surprised if they've given rise to new genetic malformations, etc =/

[vcomp1960]

These people are vile!

[bbbask]

To those men -you are NOT a mustang stallion with you band of mares, or a lion with a pride--but you want to live like you are even though you are human-better than those animals. Thus poligamy is animalistic in that they literally live like amimals with their very family structure!!

[hypnotstcollector]

your tax dollars support Israel: a anti christian nation. a nation w/ laws counter christian. Israel is forceably removing a people who have literaly in same homes for 100's yrs. "WE" support Polygamy in Israel! WE support a Theocracy. WE support the bld of a Temple which shall have a RED HEIFER slain it in 1st day. (Strange tax compulsions 4 christains)! and Mormons cant have Polygamy?? gosh, have you read what it says????

[hypnotstcollector]

ALL of Mormonism is Pagen. it calls itself an old world religion. it is full of ritual sacrifice.the POLYGAMY REVELATION AND ENDOWMENT CEREMONY NULLIFIES YOUR MARRIAGE... The Mormon Hierarchy,like the Pope, is infallable and have renounced nothing.

[bbbask]

Smith was a false prophet

[beetlejuiceabc]

that is so true. Their bible is false too. They tell you that it is the King James Version but it isn't. I once placed my King James Bible and theirs together and found that they were different.

[sweetcandygirl1]

i was interested in knowing about mormons and i did that too... its true.

[sweetcandygirl1]

i think maybe joseph smith said you can have plural wives for his personal gain... some guys wish they can do that now why would it be different back then?

[mirandafacette]

you don't know much about mormonism do you?

[beetlejuiceabc]

you are right. They just hide it that is why they really have several branches is so they can hide it instead of renouncing it.

[carlotta9811]

I would like to know what ritual sacrifices you have seen occur in Mormonisim.

I grew up Mormon, and while I broke from the church as soon as possible, I never saw any ritual sacrifices.

[VANVALIS]

How can it be not legal if you are not legaly married to more then 1 person?

[gunnerclark]

In the first 3 minutes there is so much slant put on word usage, and how things are viewed, that this is simply bad from the start.

[gyrotaco]

Any media is going to have a slant and a point of view. That is because the creative force behind a media work is human and human beings are wrapped within their own opinions. One can still have and express opinions or slants if you will and remain open minded.

[LoveroftheWiggles]

FIRST !!!