Superb, wise, older woman that embarrasses modern females with the sophistry they use today. The person below is a faker trying to attack the truth being said by putting out false statements directly to try and elicit emotional centres not your intelligence. Which is precisely the same as feminist inducement of the World to have female entitlement over men. As emotional sophistry. Women heed what this woman is telling you and stop the nonsense!
@AussiePolitics I'd venture a guess that a Neanderthal knew better than to pick fights that they can't win. What I'm shocked about is why you and people like you never learned that lesson. If we were back in the Neanderthal days, I'd be the one who's genes pass for several Generation and you would be the one who dies because you bitch slapped the big bad mofo who has 100+lbs over you because he said you look fat in your loincloth.
@AussiePolitics Are you trying to argue that Violence isn't normal human behavior? are you being sarcastic when you said that it will work so well? I hope not because it does work, and very well at that. Are you trying to argue against defending themself? Being smaller and weaker is completely irrelevant. I wouldn't go to Mike Tyson and pimp slap him because he told me that I look fat in my jeans. Same should be said of females
@AussiePolitics Are you trying to argue that Violence isn't normal human behavior? are you being sarcastic when you said that it will work so well? I hope not because it does work, and very well at that. Are you trying to argue against defending themself? Being smaller and weaker is completely irrelevant. I wouldn't go to Mike Tyson and pimp slap him because he told me that I look fat in my jeans. Same should be said of females
MAN HATING FEMINISTS cannot change the culture--shell need men to help change it with her (only men set other men straight ;wish it wasnt the case)--many girls today are getting MORE ABUSED not less than they used to, and WTH is a teenage girl getting BEAT UP FOR -----the girlfriends especially the shackups get MORE beatings than wives---girls, don t open up the sexual door with a boy period--if youre in a bad situation, RUN TO THE NEAREST SHELTER take your kids and STOP CHANGING HIM --LEAVE
Nine out of 10 women and men in my family, acknowledge that they have been raped and one that we think was but they are not willing to admit it. Three of us have been raped by different people, at different times in our lives. What makes it truly sad, is that not one of us went to police or or did anything about it. Four of us were victims of domestic abuse and never reported it. So this tells me that the statistics are very much underreported. (Now I would tell but I am not vulnerable.now.
Once again for the ignorant misogynists who have posted comments here claiming domestic violence is a myth, etc. or that it is perpetrated by women, there is hard information that exists that you should avail yourself of. All you have to do is check with your local police department or emergency room for the statistics and eye witness accounts. They are the responders who investigate the battery and treat the wounded.
@reillypie lol there have been plenty of people who have gone to emergency rooms (and I intend to see for myself too) and asked what most women are there for. 80% of them are there from Auto Accidents, It's always been like some tiny minuscule amount of DV victims in emergency rooms.
As far as police stats go. I have to ask you: Have you ever heard of Mandatory Arrest laws? the law that pretty much says that they HAVE to arrest the man no matter who is the perpetrator
@Gendo3s2k DId you think I was arguing that the women in ERs are ONLY there for domestic abuse? I wasn't. I was simply saying to the people arguing that there is no such thing as domestic abuse to consider there is irrefutable documentation of the existence of domestic abuse, specifically police reports and ER records of those who show up at hospitals and have been beaten bad enough to require emergency treatment.
Do some real research and learn the truth. I worked side by side with MEN in the DV Field so NO this is NOT a feminist thing. I AM NOT A FEMINIST! But I AM a survivor of domestic violence and YOU, nor anyone else, will NOT diminish the reality of this subject simply because you have been lucky enough not to have domestic violence destroy your life or the life of someone you love!!!
Do some REAL investigating and get the truth! People like you are why woman die! Look up the Silent Witness Project...oh wait you probably can't because their funding was cut do to lack of donations because it was NON-PROFIT. Go to the National Domestic Violence Hotlines website. Or the National Clearing House on Domestic Violence. Or Crime Statistic websites.
WOW... I have never seen so much garbage and mis-information spewed forth from the mouths of ignorant people in my life!! Domestic Violence is a MYTH???? What is wrong with you people??? And for to say that it's a billion dollar industry is beyond ignorant! The vast majority of DV institutions as NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS!!!! And to the person saying that DV is perpetrated by woman 65% more often then men...you're just delusional!! You need to get your facts straight.
@MegaTress1 Oh really?? I guess I was just dreaming it then. Thank God I am now a rich woman for having worked at 4 programs for fake victims of domestic violence and have heard the testimony of thousands of fake victims of DV (rich, poor, professional, uneducated, white, black, asian, latina, european, gypsy, samoan, middle eastern, african).
Could it be that there's something about YOU, MegaTress1, that might make a reasonable person not share with you that they've experienced relationship violence? What was your response to the one person you know who did?
All I can say to that is "So what? That's your personal experience. It hardly accounts for everything in the whole world." Personally, I've never seen anyone murdered or mugged but I have no doubt they occur. If your criteria for reality is that it has to happen in front of you personally or it doesn't exist, then you live in denial. Just go to ANY police dept or hospital ER in the country and ask them if domestic violence exists, and they'll tell you they've seen it.
notice how schlafly does not cite any statistics or facts?? ITS ALL ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE PEOPLE. these are all her frickin OPINIONS. and they're horribly skewed ones at that.
men get raped more, die more in wars, die/injured at work, commit suicide at much higher rates, loose their children from divorce courts, die younger, are the only ones to be drafted and are told that they somehow are oppressing women.
This clip seems like an obvious hatchet job on Schlafly.
Considering how under-reported rape is, I don't think that there is any way of knowing whether men or women are raped more. I am not a feminist, though I do believe in equality and that it is wrong to blame the men of today for the sins of the past; however, I think that you're over-reacting just a little bit. Although I do get what you're saying and agree that men get treated unfairly by some people, just like everyone gets treated unfairly by some people.
@AussiePolitics I wasn't suggesting anything one way or the other. I believe that all I said was that there was no way of definatively knowing with a crime that is as underreported as rape. Anything is possible, but we have no way of knowing about crimes that are not reported. I mean, you aren't suggesting that we comment about things that we are unaware of, do you?
@actingqween what a load of crap. obviously women far more frequently seriously assaulted by men. the proof is in the statistics and if you have proof otherwise then present it. it is laughable to claim we dont know whether men or women get raped the most.
@AussiePolitics Statistics only reveal information on crimes that are reported. So, yes, based on reported crimes, women are victims of rape more than men are. However, there are beliefs by many researchers that we don't actually know the true rate of men who have been raped due to the great deal of shame one feels after being the victim of such a crime. They believe it's far more common than anyone realizes because they believe the level of shame would be greater for men than for women.
@AussiePolitics All I'm saying is that we have no way of knowing how high the rates are for men or for women because most people do not report when they are victims of crimes like that. I think it's laughable that people claim to definatively know something that they cannot possibly know. Have you interviewed everyone in the world to find out if they have been raped or not? And how do you know if people are being honest? See these are the problems with research that is based soley on statistics.
@AussiePolitics Oh, and, as I have already stated, I cannot show you something that we are unaware of. I do not know whether men or women are raped more because rape is a highly under reported crime, and, because it is so under reported, studies are incredibly limitted. Oh, and in most studies where people are asked if they have ever been the victim of such crimes, most people lie because they feel uncomfortable discussing it.
@actingqween and we also know that the rates of rape are vastly unreported with women too. I really do find it laughable how you suggest men could be getting raped more often then women. come back with some proof. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. all you have done is state your opinion that serious violence against men by women is virtually never reported. come back with some evidence rather than your beliefs.
@actingqween ok then how about this: something people cannot hide or be "ashamed of". tell me who gets murdered the most - women by their husbands and boyfriends or men by their wives and girlfriends.
you cant use your opinionated view that these facts are 'under reported'.
@AussiePolitics We weren't discussing the crime of murder. I was discussing the crime of rape. Just because you can't argue with what I said does not mean that changing the topic is going to win the argument. Women are just as capable of committing crimes as men are, which is part of why the rate of women going to prison has increased so dramatically over the past 20 years or so. There is no way of knowing who is more likely to be a victim of a crime, because we don't know every victim.
@actingqween actually all of my comments have been about domestic violence. so when I present you statistics which you cannot possibly refute suddenly you're just 'talking about rape'.
your argument is so weak. you provide no evidence, just state that the statistics are not true which is little more than your opinion then when I give you statistics on murder you cannot refute you cat like you're just talking about rape.
@actingqween "you can't argue" well actually its you who has stated all the statistics are wrong because they all prove YOU WRONG. come on who gets murdered the most: husbands and boyfriends or wives or girlfriends? you are such a hypocrite because as soon as you get statistics you cannot argue are not reported you're suddenly not interested in it. the most serious domestic violence of all: murder is committed far more frequently against women. that is a fact.
@AussiePolitics Statistics are not the best form of research. That's a fact. I mean, there are limits to what statistics actually can tell us about what actually happens. Rape statistics are inaccurate for a number of reasons, that's a fact. In fact, you can look this up if you don't believe me. The guestimate is that only about 25% of rape cases are actually reported (and remember, that's a guestimate, because we just don't know). Also, many cases of rapes are not counted in rape stats.
@actingqween statistics are not the best form of research? really what else do you call quantitative research? quantitative research ARE statistics and they are the only way to get hard facts in a range of disciplines including science. what you are arguing is that because all the evidence is against you that EVERYTHING is wrong. so when I provide you with statistics on domestic violence that cannot me wrong - homicide rates - you just ignore them too.
@AussiePolitics The ideal form of research would be having all the information that we don't have when we do statistical analysis. This is why statistics don't actually prove anything. See, in research, we never say that we have proven that women are victimized more than men. You will never see someone claim to have proven that in legitimate research, because it is impossible to 100% prove anything. There is an error rate with statistics.
@actingqween obviously nothing is ever 100% and evidence is always expressed as statistics. stop trying to condescend me with basic first year statistics. scientific studies express the probability of their findings being true ranging from 0.05 for environmental issues through to <0.01 for human related issues. just because nothing in the universe cannot be known with 100% certainty does not invalidate the findings.
@AussiePolitics Crime statistics are the worst, because we don't actually know all the details of what took place. I would love to say that we can definatively prove something based on statistics, but we can't. All we can state is that research suggests certain things. For example, research suggests that women are victims of rape more than men are, but it's not a proven fact. Statistics are more like theories than definative proof.
@actingqween what crap, statistics are used thing thousands of scientific studies. we work out the probability of a vaccine being effective and determine how likely it is to kill someone. that is called learning something based on statistics. all scientific research is based on statistics so dont act as though you cant know anything from it.
@actingqween obviously everyone knows that statistics are not correct all the time. that is why in the scientific community consensus is not created from just ONE study. its when you have had years of studies, thousands of independent researchers and papers published and all this provides independent evidence supporting a hypothesis that people accept it as a 'fact' even though each of the many studies had a margin of error. it is no different with statistics with domestic violence.
@AussiePolitics But it's still flawed because they still don't have all the information. Crime statistics are the worst because they only show the crimes that we've discovered. I mean, there's an endless number of unsolved cases over the years of research and there is almost no research on rape that involves male victims even though we know that it does happen. So you can't argue that you definatively know that women are victimized more when there hasn't been any research regarding male victims.
@actingqween when all the evidence, thousands of studies by independent groups completely refutes all your claims you need to provide real evidence rather than your opinions. come back when you have proof. we know for a fact that women are murdered far more by their male partners than the other way around. there is NOTHING you can say to refute this. you just love to stick to other issues so that you can act as though we can ignore all the evidence
@AussiePolitics Oh, and at the time, there was tons of research that said that women were dumber than men. There were also numerous studies that suggested that a college work load was far too much for a woman to handle, and nowadays women are more likely to go to college than men (statistically speaking). No, scientists don't accept it as "fact", they say that it is "a very robust effect" or that "the research strongly suggests" something, you can't declare it a fact.
@actingqween and the research was based on IQ in the vast majority of cases which is a highly subjective test. murder rates is not subjective. we can know these things are facts.
oh please obviously scientific studies never use the word fact, but when thousands of studies indicate something is true then in the conventional sense it is a fact. its like evolution, the science textbooks state it is a fact because all the evidence in thousands of studies indicates it is so.
@AussiePolitics It is different with statistics on domestic violence because domestic violence is one of the most under-reported crimes there is. I mean, about 97% of all victims of abuse go back to their abusers. Most never seek help, for a number of reasons, that I can understand. Most researchers state that the crimes of rape and domestic violence are probably much lower than they appear to be, particularly for men.
@actingqween "about 97% of all victims" LOL so the only statistics we can trust on this issue are the ones you quote right? as I said before, the statistics are probably under-reported, however when I provide you with something people can't cover up - murder you avoid it because you know it completely proves you wrong. it is a fact that a woman is more likely to be murdered by their partner. or do you dispute this as well? if so I want proof, not more opinions.
@AussiePolitics Actually, no, I think that all statistics should be looked at with caution, as I already stated. I never said to ignore statistics. I only stated that they leave a lot of information out. That statistic is a guestimation, which I thought I mentioned, but I might have left it out due to lack of space in the box. It's a guestimation, like pretty much all crime statistics, which I already said. And, as I said before I can't give you proof, there is none.
@actingqween murder statistics are not a guestimation. you are acting like the studies on domestic violence are done in isolation. like all things in science and statistics something is not 'proven' until there have been multiple independent studies verifying something.
I find it funny how the only statistics you think are reliable on this issue are those saying that the statistics are not reliable.
@AussiePolitics I never argued men are victimized more, or that statistics should be ignored. Those were your false assumptions. I merely stated the facts, we don't definatively know because there is a lot of missing information.
@actingqween well stop trying to use stupid comments about never being able to absolutely know anything in your argument. anyone with an understanding understands that. hell you can plot a bell curve on the probability of someone being a kilometre tall and never rule it out 100%. what facts come down to is what all the evidence together indicates. and thus far it indicates women are the victims far more often. you're welcome to come back with evidence to the contrary rather than opinions.
@AussiePolitics You're the one that was arguing with what I said, and you're telling me not to write a stupid comment. I will not digress into namecalling because I believe that in order to have a mature debate, namecalling should be left out of it; however, I have been saying the same thing all along. You're the one who jumped into assumptions and arguments that had nothing to do with what I originally said. You were too busy trying to be right to get what I was saying though.
@actingqween oh stop feigning mock outrage, you must really have thin skin if you think someone calling your comment stupid amounts to a personal attack. you are the one who has been trying to mislead with statistics. tell me what was your purpose in stating that we can never know anything 100% in statistics? you were trying to mislead someone who may not understand how stats work. that is the only reason because you were just stating an obvious half-truth about stats.
@AussiePolitics I'm not feigning outrage, I was stating my personal views, or is that not okay with you? I'm not the one getting upset here. My purpose was that most people read a statistic and take it at face value, assuming that is correct without considering what information might be left out, or what parts of the research methodology might be flawed. People also don't consider the fact that some statistical analyses are more accurate than others.
@actingqween you are stating your personal views and trying to mislead with half-truths about statistics. yes we KNOW no statistical test ever has a 100% probability. however we also know that statistics works out events that are extremely likely and then multiple independent sources verify this and it gets published in a textbook as a 'fact'. you act like I am quoting one statistic. i do not base this on ONE study but thousands that all indicate the same thing.
@AussiePolitics See, now you're lying about my intent again. I never even remotely suggested that you were only citing one study. I even agreed that the majority of the research suggests that women are more often the victims of rape than men; however, the majority also suggests that rape is a highly unreported crime, especially when it comes to male victims. See, all the stuff I just stated is also supported by a number of sources.
@actingqween you keep making vague comments about people being cautious. well done. everyone should look at the facts. however there is a difference between reading one study in isolation and MANY studies and seeing what they all indicate.
the reason I changed to talking about murder is because I am talking about concrete facts that are always reported.
@AussiePolitics Again I never argued with you about what the majority of the research states. I'm well aware of what the research states. I made one point that you chose to argue with. Homicide isn't always reported. Sometimes they never find the bodies and it can't be ruled a homicide without a body.
@actingqween the vast majority of the murderers committed are done by men to their female partners. just because some murders are not solved does not change this. all the evidence indicates that you are wrong and again you provide no evidence to back up your opinionated claims. your comment about statistics was just priceless and really sums you up.
@AussiePolitics Oh, I'm sorry, I was more speaking about the murder rate in general. Although, considering that many researchers believe that most of the unsolved murders of the early 1900s (in the United States, anyways) were probably committed by women, and were overlooked because that was before they realized that women could commit murder just like men could, there is a possibility, at the very least, that there have been far more female murderers than anyone ever realized.
@actingqween I was referring to domestic violence and so far all the evidence indicates that women are represented amongst the victims vastly more often then men. you are welcome to provide other evidence but no more opinions please.
@AussiePolitics Actually Women are just as domestically violent as men are. The vast majority of incidents of DV are mutual as in both parties attack each other; something to the tune of 80%, but when there is a sole perp, it's split nearly 50/50 and 70% of DV is instigated by the woman. If women don't want to get beat up, then maybe they shouldn't abuse their men.
common sense: A small man knows not to physically attack a larger man, why don't women follow similar behavior?
@AussiePolitics I am not taking away from what you were saying, or arguing with it. Just stating that it would affect the homicide rate as a whole if this were true.
@actingqween oh and by the way, I question how much you understand statistics when you can make absurd comments like 'Statistics are not the best form of research'. tell me, what other forms of quantitative research are there? or did you recently discover a magical new one?
@AussiePolitics I already stated what the ideal is. The ideal would be having all of the information. As I said, we will never reach that ideal, but that doesn't make what I stated any less value. Perhaps I did not word my original statement as clearly as I should have (I meant that Statistics are not the ideal), but since I already explained that, I'm not sure why you keep going back to it. You like to go back to things that have already been addressed, so tell me, what does that say about you?
@actingqween actually your system has been to argue that all the statistics are wrong because statistics you agree with say they are wrong. you are cherry-picking information.
statistics are the ONLY form of research able to determine what are for all intents and purposes facts. you have spent this argument trying to use basic statistical concepts such as probability to mislead 'there are no such things as facts' well if you classify a fact as something with 100% probability.
@AussiePolitics Again, I did not say that statistics are wrong. I said that they are not the ideal, because an ideal situation would include all of the information. You can continue arguing if you want, but I'm not arguing and I was never misleading in any way. How does stating the facts mislead anyone? I already explained everything that you're continuing to argue with, so I don't know what more there is to say. I mean, you're beating a dead horse here. It's time to let it go.
@actingqween oh please, the only people who make the claim that statistics are not facts because they are based on a probability are doing to deceive not because they are interested in the facts. you know very well what the term fact means in the common vernacular. saying we can never know anything because its based on a probability is so stupid because we may as well curl up and say 'we will never know anything about the world we live because there is always a margin of error'
@AussiePolitics Oh right, boys are indoctrinated from an early age to never hit a girl back , so these innocent princesses grow up thinking it's acceptable to physically assault men with impunity, and when he finally gets tired of it, and hits her back it's !!OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!!
@AussiePolitics lmao! wow. You're either an idiot or a liar. And I'm hoping for the former. The Vast Majority of Murders are Men against Men. Next up would be Men against Women. but it's not even remotely close.
@Gendo3s2k "You're either an idiot or a liar" learn to read what I fucking wrote. I asked whether whether a husband or boyfriend was more likely to be murdered by his girlfriend or wife or the other way around. learn to read.
Also sometimes bodies aren't found for many years and they can't rule it a homicide because there isn't enough left to determine cause of death. See you're proving my point, the facts are never as concrete as we would like them to be.
@AussiePolitics Anyone who understands statistics knows that I was not misleading anyone. In fact, I was stating things that anyone who knows statistics already knows, and knows better than to argue with. It's not a half-truth about statistics. It's the truth about statistics. You're the one who seems to be arguing with well known facts, not me. And, since it is such an "obvious fact" why are you still arguing with me? All I said was that people should be cautious when reading statistics.
@actingqween yes it is something anyone who knows statistics understands however you are trying to use it to confuse people because into thinking "oh no there is no such things as facts in the world!". you are using your personal opinion to hypocritically state "the statistics on this issue are all wrong except for the statistics that I agree with because they say they are all wrong"
@AussiePolitics Are you honestly trying to argue that people should not be cautious when reading research or statistics? Or that people should ignore the fact that researchers cannot possibly know all the details about crime? Or that researchers cannot possibly know definatively which group of people is most affected by a particular crime?
@actingqween bloody hell read what I have been saying. I have not said people should read a statistic and think 'hmm it is true!' what I am saying is that people should look at ALL the evidence and see what this indicates. and ALL the evidence is indicating that you are completely incorrect. the only 'evidence' you have provided has been hypocritically stating the statistics on this issue are wrong with... statistics.
@AussiePolitics I have read what you're saying. I was just making a point. See, I never argued with you, or said that you were wrong. I agreed with you, I just said that we don't definatively know because we don't have 100% of the information. It's not statistics that prove that statistics can be flawed, it's common sense and critical thinking. Again, I don't want to argue with you, I was just making a point that you chose to argue with.
@actingqween you made the absurd claim that "Statistics are not the best form of research". that is an absurd length to stretch it. statistics are the ONLY form of quantitative statistics which are the only way you can prove ANYTHING. it is incredibly ignorant to make that comment.
@actingqween you said "statistics don't actually prove anything." that is absolute crap. they prove things in scientific research every single day. scientific research uses statistical tests to determine whether something is significant and work out the probability of the information being true. so your argument is that when we determine that a vaccine is effective to 0.01 then its not a "Fact" that it works?
@AussiePolitics Rapes that result in homicide, are not even considered in rape statistics because they are counted in homicide statistics. Everything I have just stated is factual, and you can do the work to look it up if you don't believe it. I was not discussing murder. I was discussing the specific crime of rape. Please, stay on topic if you wish to make an argument with me. Any researcher will tell you that crime statistics are greatly flawed due to the fact that crimes are often unreported.
@AussiePolitics Oh, and I just saw a story on the news today about men in the military who are having issues with sexual abuse. They refuse to report for a number of reasons, many of which are the same as the reasons women don't report. See, I know how statistics work, because I have actually been trained in statistical analysis and research. Go ahead, tell me how wrong I am again. Oh, and what's your expertise on the matter, exactly?
@actingqween congratulations did you take a first year course at university? I have a science degree so I have a pretty bloody good understanding of advanced statistics. ever worked out anovas and linear regressions by hand or did you get a computer to do all that for you? studies take into account the fact that people may not be reporting these crimes and when I present you with a fact on the most serious domestic violence possible - murder - suddenly its not relevant.
@actingqween so because you have NO evidence at all to back up your claim, you just love being able to act as though all the statistics are wrong. you know in science you tend to look at where the weight of evidence indicates and all the studies are completely against you. but even if I let you off that, you cannot refute murder statistics at all and they show you just how completely wrong you are.
@AussiePolitics I know how science works. I've been trained in statistics and research methodology. And as I said statistics shouldn't be ignored, but they should be viewed with caution. See that's what they teach us in science. They are definative proof, they just suggest something with the data that is available. Oh, and you neglected to tell me what your expertise was on the subject. See, I'm aware of the statistics, and I never said that they were wrong, I just said that they weren't proof/
@actingqween environmental science so advanced statistics is the primary method you use for analysis.
your whole argument has been that you dont accept the thousands of studies because you think its wrong. proof is about patterns and independent evidence, and when ALL that supports one hypothesis its time to question why you still believe it. again, when I presented you with irrefutable statistical proof on the homicide rate, because there is no way to hide this you squirmed out of it.
@AussiePolitics I could get statistics to prove almost anything, depending on the type of analysis I do and the method in which I do my research. Do you realise that? In fact, there was a time when statistics proved that men were smarter than women. Now, of course, due to improved research methodology, we know that that is not true, but the statistics of the time said it was. See, this is why you don't jump to conclusions just because you read a statistic somewhere.
@actingqween you are acting like a single statistic is being quoted. I am referring to the thousands of studies that have been done all over the world. that is how you prove something in science. each study does have a margin of error but when you add up ALL the independent evidence that is when you see a pattern arising.
women were far less educated than men in the past, so it is little wonder they did worse than men on intelligence tests. IQ etc are extremely subjective.
@actingqween do you know why you suddenly said you were just talking about rape? because you love to be able to claim all the statistics are fuzzy and cant be trusted. as soon as you get statistics like murder that cannot be challenged you have no case at all and you magically exclude it from domestic violence.
sorry but murder is the most serious of ALL domestic violence and women are vastly over-represented.
Domestic Violence, domestic violence is when ur girlfriend totals both your cars, steals ur money, and her other boyfriend to visits when ur away. Then when you say she has to leave, she callls the cops and has you arressted, then steals yourstuff when your in jail. No marks on her, as long as I'm alive boyfriends can beat the shit out of their girlfriends and I'll give them a medal!
Yes, b/c statistically speaking, feminists are *always* committing assault, please. Everybody - male and female - should be angry about the level of violence American women are subject to.
Never helps to exaggerate a problem UNLESS you have another axe to grind and the funding obtainable can be used to further your brand of sexual politics eh Ms radical feminist! ;)
@MegaTress1 WHY did you post that ignorant-ass comment?
imthecoffee 8 months ago
Superb, wise, older woman that embarrasses modern females with the sophistry they use today. The person below is a faker trying to attack the truth being said by putting out false statements directly to try and elicit emotional centres not your intelligence. Which is precisely the same as feminist inducement of the World to have female entitlement over men. As emotional sophistry. Women heed what this woman is telling you and stop the nonsense!
apekillssnake 9 months ago
Wow. This old bag is terrible. She's never seen the rage in a man's eye. It is a scary thing!!!!!!!!!
amosyamy 9 months ago
@AussiePolitics I'd venture a guess that a Neanderthal knew better than to pick fights that they can't win. What I'm shocked about is why you and people like you never learned that lesson. If we were back in the Neanderthal days, I'd be the one who's genes pass for several Generation and you would be the one who dies because you bitch slapped the big bad mofo who has 100+lbs over you because he said you look fat in your loincloth.
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
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@AussiePolitics Are you trying to argue that Violence isn't normal human behavior? are you being sarcastic when you said that it will work so well? I hope not because it does work, and very well at that. Are you trying to argue against defending themself? Being smaller and weaker is completely irrelevant. I wouldn't go to Mike Tyson and pimp slap him because he told me that I look fat in my jeans. Same should be said of females
It's called "Equality" ever heard of it?
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Are you trying to argue that Violence isn't normal human behavior? are you being sarcastic when you said that it will work so well? I hope not because it does work, and very well at that. Are you trying to argue against defending themself? Being smaller and weaker is completely irrelevant. I wouldn't go to Mike Tyson and pimp slap him because he told me that I look fat in my jeans. Same should be said of females
It's called "Equality" ever heard of it?
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
MAN HATING FEMINISTS cannot change the culture--shell need men to help change it with her (only men set other men straight ;wish it wasnt the case)--many girls today are getting MORE ABUSED not less than they used to, and WTH is a teenage girl getting BEAT UP FOR -----the girlfriends especially the shackups get MORE beatings than wives---girls, don t open up the sexual door with a boy period--if youre in a bad situation, RUN TO THE NEAREST SHELTER take your kids and STOP CHANGING HIM --LEAVE
49jubilee 10 months ago
Oh right, I originally came here to make this joke:
High Heels were invented by men to make sure women can't run away!
Gendo3s2k 1 year ago
Nine out of 10 women and men in my family, acknowledge that they have been raped and one that we think was but they are not willing to admit it. Three of us have been raped by different people, at different times in our lives. What makes it truly sad, is that not one of us went to police or or did anything about it. Four of us were victims of domestic abuse and never reported it. So this tells me that the statistics are very much underreported. (Now I would tell but I am not vulnerable.now.
thekenniewitch 1 year ago
Once again for the ignorant misogynists who have posted comments here claiming domestic violence is a myth, etc. or that it is perpetrated by women, there is hard information that exists that you should avail yourself of. All you have to do is check with your local police department or emergency room for the statistics and eye witness accounts. They are the responders who investigate the battery and treat the wounded.
reillypie 1 year ago
@reillypie lol there have been plenty of people who have gone to emergency rooms (and I intend to see for myself too) and asked what most women are there for. 80% of them are there from Auto Accidents, It's always been like some tiny minuscule amount of DV victims in emergency rooms.
As far as police stats go. I have to ask you: Have you ever heard of Mandatory Arrest laws? the law that pretty much says that they HAVE to arrest the man no matter who is the perpetrator
Gendo3s2k 1 year ago
@Gendo3s2k DId you think I was arguing that the women in ERs are ONLY there for domestic abuse? I wasn't. I was simply saying to the people arguing that there is no such thing as domestic abuse to consider there is irrefutable documentation of the existence of domestic abuse, specifically police reports and ER records of those who show up at hospitals and have been beaten bad enough to require emergency treatment.
reillypie 1 year ago
Do some real research and learn the truth. I worked side by side with MEN in the DV Field so NO this is NOT a feminist thing. I AM NOT A FEMINIST! But I AM a survivor of domestic violence and YOU, nor anyone else, will NOT diminish the reality of this subject simply because you have been lucky enough not to have domestic violence destroy your life or the life of someone you love!!!
IrishRaven72 1 year ago
Do some REAL investigating and get the truth! People like you are why woman die! Look up the Silent Witness Project...oh wait you probably can't because their funding was cut do to lack of donations because it was NON-PROFIT. Go to the National Domestic Violence Hotlines website. Or the National Clearing House on Domestic Violence. Or Crime Statistic websites.
IrishRaven72 1 year ago
WOW... I have never seen so much garbage and mis-information spewed forth from the mouths of ignorant people in my life!! Domestic Violence is a MYTH???? What is wrong with you people??? And for to say that it's a billion dollar industry is beyond ignorant! The vast majority of DV institutions as NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS!!!! And to the person saying that DV is perpetrated by woman 65% more often then men...you're just delusional!! You need to get your facts straight.
IrishRaven72 1 year ago
@MegaTress1 Odd..alot of women are killed via domestic violence, perhaps your theory is kin to neo-nazi's denying the holocaust ever happened.
Chastrie 1 year ago
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@MegaTress1 Oh really?? I guess I was just dreaming it then. Thank God I am now a rich woman for having worked at 4 programs for fake victims of domestic violence and have heard the testimony of thousands of fake victims of DV (rich, poor, professional, uneducated, white, black, asian, latina, european, gypsy, samoan, middle eastern, african).
humminalong 1 year ago
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humminalong 1 year ago
The woman at 4:00 has been totally brainwashed. Domestic violence is perpetrated more by women (65% of the time) than it is by men.
The entire myth of male domestic violence is a red herring orchestrated by the feminist movement.
TSM8088 1 year ago
@MegaTress1
Could it be that there's something about YOU, MegaTress1, that might make a reasonable person not share with you that they've experienced relationship violence? What was your response to the one person you know who did?
allieay 1 year ago
@MegaTress1
All I can say to that is "So what? That's your personal experience. It hardly accounts for everything in the whole world." Personally, I've never seen anyone murdered or mugged but I have no doubt they occur. If your criteria for reality is that it has to happen in front of you personally or it doesn't exist, then you live in denial. Just go to ANY police dept or hospital ER in the country and ask them if domestic violence exists, and they'll tell you they've seen it.
reillypie 1 year ago
@reillypie Agreed. And real feminism is about equality, not crazy crap like people think it is.
aseaugmented 1 year ago
notice how schlafly does not cite any statistics or facts?? ITS ALL ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE PEOPLE. these are all her frickin OPINIONS. and they're horribly skewed ones at that.
selphiexfairy 1 year ago
men get raped more, die more in wars, die/injured at work, commit suicide at much higher rates, loose their children from divorce courts, die younger, are the only ones to be drafted and are told that they somehow are oppressing women.
This clip seems like an obvious hatchet job on Schlafly.
boxant 2 years ago
@boxant Men get raped more?
irishjoesbar 2 years ago
Prison, doesn't get much in the form of press.
In addition, most statistics on rape are grossly inflated due to their including of "sex when under the influence of alcohol." as rape.
boxant 2 years ago
@boxant
Considering how under-reported rape is, I don't think that there is any way of knowing whether men or women are raped more. I am not a feminist, though I do believe in equality and that it is wrong to blame the men of today for the sins of the past; however, I think that you're over-reacting just a little bit. Although I do get what you're saying and agree that men get treated unfairly by some people, just like everyone gets treated unfairly by some people.
actingqween 1 year ago
@actingqween are you seriously suggesting that men could get raped more than women?
AussiePolitics 1 year ago
@AussiePolitics I wasn't suggesting anything one way or the other. I believe that all I said was that there was no way of definatively knowing with a crime that is as underreported as rape. Anything is possible, but we have no way of knowing about crimes that are not reported. I mean, you aren't suggesting that we comment about things that we are unaware of, do you?
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween what a load of crap. obviously women far more frequently seriously assaulted by men. the proof is in the statistics and if you have proof otherwise then present it. it is laughable to claim we dont know whether men or women get raped the most.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Statistics only reveal information on crimes that are reported. So, yes, based on reported crimes, women are victims of rape more than men are. However, there are beliefs by many researchers that we don't actually know the true rate of men who have been raped due to the great deal of shame one feels after being the victim of such a crime. They believe it's far more common than anyone realizes because they believe the level of shame would be greater for men than for women.
actingqween 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics All I'm saying is that we have no way of knowing how high the rates are for men or for women because most people do not report when they are victims of crimes like that. I think it's laughable that people claim to definatively know something that they cannot possibly know. Have you interviewed everyone in the world to find out if they have been raped or not? And how do you know if people are being honest? See these are the problems with research that is based soley on statistics.
actingqween 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Oh, and, as I have already stated, I cannot show you something that we are unaware of. I do not know whether men or women are raped more because rape is a highly under reported crime, and, because it is so under reported, studies are incredibly limitted. Oh, and in most studies where people are asked if they have ever been the victim of such crimes, most people lie because they feel uncomfortable discussing it.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween and we also know that the rates of rape are vastly unreported with women too. I really do find it laughable how you suggest men could be getting raped more often then women. come back with some proof. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. all you have done is state your opinion that serious violence against men by women is virtually never reported. come back with some evidence rather than your beliefs.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween ok then how about this: something people cannot hide or be "ashamed of". tell me who gets murdered the most - women by their husbands and boyfriends or men by their wives and girlfriends.
you cant use your opinionated view that these facts are 'under reported'.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics We weren't discussing the crime of murder. I was discussing the crime of rape. Just because you can't argue with what I said does not mean that changing the topic is going to win the argument. Women are just as capable of committing crimes as men are, which is part of why the rate of women going to prison has increased so dramatically over the past 20 years or so. There is no way of knowing who is more likely to be a victim of a crime, because we don't know every victim.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween actually all of my comments have been about domestic violence. so when I present you statistics which you cannot possibly refute suddenly you're just 'talking about rape'.
your argument is so weak. you provide no evidence, just state that the statistics are not true which is little more than your opinion then when I give you statistics on murder you cannot refute you cat like you're just talking about rape.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween "you can't argue" well actually its you who has stated all the statistics are wrong because they all prove YOU WRONG. come on who gets murdered the most: husbands and boyfriends or wives or girlfriends? you are such a hypocrite because as soon as you get statistics you cannot argue are not reported you're suddenly not interested in it. the most serious domestic violence of all: murder is committed far more frequently against women. that is a fact.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Statistics are not the best form of research. That's a fact. I mean, there are limits to what statistics actually can tell us about what actually happens. Rape statistics are inaccurate for a number of reasons, that's a fact. In fact, you can look this up if you don't believe me. The guestimate is that only about 25% of rape cases are actually reported (and remember, that's a guestimate, because we just don't know). Also, many cases of rapes are not counted in rape stats.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween statistics are not the best form of research? really what else do you call quantitative research? quantitative research ARE statistics and they are the only way to get hard facts in a range of disciplines including science. what you are arguing is that because all the evidence is against you that EVERYTHING is wrong. so when I provide you with statistics on domestic violence that cannot me wrong - homicide rates - you just ignore them too.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics The ideal form of research would be having all the information that we don't have when we do statistical analysis. This is why statistics don't actually prove anything. See, in research, we never say that we have proven that women are victimized more than men. You will never see someone claim to have proven that in legitimate research, because it is impossible to 100% prove anything. There is an error rate with statistics.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween obviously nothing is ever 100% and evidence is always expressed as statistics. stop trying to condescend me with basic first year statistics. scientific studies express the probability of their findings being true ranging from 0.05 for environmental issues through to <0.01 for human related issues. just because nothing in the universe cannot be known with 100% certainty does not invalidate the findings.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Crime statistics are the worst, because we don't actually know all the details of what took place. I would love to say that we can definatively prove something based on statistics, but we can't. All we can state is that research suggests certain things. For example, research suggests that women are victims of rape more than men are, but it's not a proven fact. Statistics are more like theories than definative proof.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween what crap, statistics are used thing thousands of scientific studies. we work out the probability of a vaccine being effective and determine how likely it is to kill someone. that is called learning something based on statistics. all scientific research is based on statistics so dont act as though you cant know anything from it.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween obviously everyone knows that statistics are not correct all the time. that is why in the scientific community consensus is not created from just ONE study. its when you have had years of studies, thousands of independent researchers and papers published and all this provides independent evidence supporting a hypothesis that people accept it as a 'fact' even though each of the many studies had a margin of error. it is no different with statistics with domestic violence.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics But it's still flawed because they still don't have all the information. Crime statistics are the worst because they only show the crimes that we've discovered. I mean, there's an endless number of unsolved cases over the years of research and there is almost no research on rape that involves male victims even though we know that it does happen. So you can't argue that you definatively know that women are victimized more when there hasn't been any research regarding male victims.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween when all the evidence, thousands of studies by independent groups completely refutes all your claims you need to provide real evidence rather than your opinions. come back when you have proof. we know for a fact that women are murdered far more by their male partners than the other way around. there is NOTHING you can say to refute this. you just love to stick to other issues so that you can act as though we can ignore all the evidence
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Oh, and at the time, there was tons of research that said that women were dumber than men. There were also numerous studies that suggested that a college work load was far too much for a woman to handle, and nowadays women are more likely to go to college than men (statistically speaking). No, scientists don't accept it as "fact", they say that it is "a very robust effect" or that "the research strongly suggests" something, you can't declare it a fact.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween and the research was based on IQ in the vast majority of cases which is a highly subjective test. murder rates is not subjective. we can know these things are facts.
oh please obviously scientific studies never use the word fact, but when thousands of studies indicate something is true then in the conventional sense it is a fact. its like evolution, the science textbooks state it is a fact because all the evidence in thousands of studies indicates it is so.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics It is different with statistics on domestic violence because domestic violence is one of the most under-reported crimes there is. I mean, about 97% of all victims of abuse go back to their abusers. Most never seek help, for a number of reasons, that I can understand. Most researchers state that the crimes of rape and domestic violence are probably much lower than they appear to be, particularly for men.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween "about 97% of all victims" LOL so the only statistics we can trust on this issue are the ones you quote right? as I said before, the statistics are probably under-reported, however when I provide you with something people can't cover up - murder you avoid it because you know it completely proves you wrong. it is a fact that a woman is more likely to be murdered by their partner. or do you dispute this as well? if so I want proof, not more opinions.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Actually, no, I think that all statistics should be looked at with caution, as I already stated. I never said to ignore statistics. I only stated that they leave a lot of information out. That statistic is a guestimation, which I thought I mentioned, but I might have left it out due to lack of space in the box. It's a guestimation, like pretty much all crime statistics, which I already said. And, as I said before I can't give you proof, there is none.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween murder statistics are not a guestimation. you are acting like the studies on domestic violence are done in isolation. like all things in science and statistics something is not 'proven' until there have been multiple independent studies verifying something.
I find it funny how the only statistics you think are reliable on this issue are those saying that the statistics are not reliable.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I never argued men are victimized more, or that statistics should be ignored. Those were your false assumptions. I merely stated the facts, we don't definatively know because there is a lot of missing information.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween well stop trying to use stupid comments about never being able to absolutely know anything in your argument. anyone with an understanding understands that. hell you can plot a bell curve on the probability of someone being a kilometre tall and never rule it out 100%. what facts come down to is what all the evidence together indicates. and thus far it indicates women are the victims far more often. you're welcome to come back with evidence to the contrary rather than opinions.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics You're the one that was arguing with what I said, and you're telling me not to write a stupid comment. I will not digress into namecalling because I believe that in order to have a mature debate, namecalling should be left out of it; however, I have been saying the same thing all along. You're the one who jumped into assumptions and arguments that had nothing to do with what I originally said. You were too busy trying to be right to get what I was saying though.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween oh stop feigning mock outrage, you must really have thin skin if you think someone calling your comment stupid amounts to a personal attack. you are the one who has been trying to mislead with statistics. tell me what was your purpose in stating that we can never know anything 100% in statistics? you were trying to mislead someone who may not understand how stats work. that is the only reason because you were just stating an obvious half-truth about stats.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I'm not feigning outrage, I was stating my personal views, or is that not okay with you? I'm not the one getting upset here. My purpose was that most people read a statistic and take it at face value, assuming that is correct without considering what information might be left out, or what parts of the research methodology might be flawed. People also don't consider the fact that some statistical analyses are more accurate than others.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween you are stating your personal views and trying to mislead with half-truths about statistics. yes we KNOW no statistical test ever has a 100% probability. however we also know that statistics works out events that are extremely likely and then multiple independent sources verify this and it gets published in a textbook as a 'fact'. you act like I am quoting one statistic. i do not base this on ONE study but thousands that all indicate the same thing.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics See, now you're lying about my intent again. I never even remotely suggested that you were only citing one study. I even agreed that the majority of the research suggests that women are more often the victims of rape than men; however, the majority also suggests that rape is a highly unreported crime, especially when it comes to male victims. See, all the stuff I just stated is also supported by a number of sources.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween you keep making vague comments about people being cautious. well done. everyone should look at the facts. however there is a difference between reading one study in isolation and MANY studies and seeing what they all indicate.
the reason I changed to talking about murder is because I am talking about concrete facts that are always reported.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Again I never argued with you about what the majority of the research states. I'm well aware of what the research states. I made one point that you chose to argue with. Homicide isn't always reported. Sometimes they never find the bodies and it can't be ruled a homicide without a body.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween the vast majority of the murderers committed are done by men to their female partners. just because some murders are not solved does not change this. all the evidence indicates that you are wrong and again you provide no evidence to back up your opinionated claims. your comment about statistics was just priceless and really sums you up.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Oh, I'm sorry, I was more speaking about the murder rate in general. Although, considering that many researchers believe that most of the unsolved murders of the early 1900s (in the United States, anyways) were probably committed by women, and were overlooked because that was before they realized that women could commit murder just like men could, there is a possibility, at the very least, that there have been far more female murderers than anyone ever realized.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween I was referring to domestic violence and so far all the evidence indicates that women are represented amongst the victims vastly more often then men. you are welcome to provide other evidence but no more opinions please.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Actually Women are just as domestically violent as men are. The vast majority of incidents of DV are mutual as in both parties attack each other; something to the tune of 80%, but when there is a sole perp, it's split nearly 50/50 and 70% of DV is instigated by the woman. If women don't want to get beat up, then maybe they shouldn't abuse their men.
common sense: A small man knows not to physically attack a larger man, why don't women follow similar behavior?
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I am not taking away from what you were saying, or arguing with it. Just stating that it would affect the homicide rate as a whole if this were true.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween oh and by the way, I question how much you understand statistics when you can make absurd comments like 'Statistics are not the best form of research'. tell me, what other forms of quantitative research are there? or did you recently discover a magical new one?
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I already stated what the ideal is. The ideal would be having all of the information. As I said, we will never reach that ideal, but that doesn't make what I stated any less value. Perhaps I did not word my original statement as clearly as I should have (I meant that Statistics are not the ideal), but since I already explained that, I'm not sure why you keep going back to it. You like to go back to things that have already been addressed, so tell me, what does that say about you?
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween actually your system has been to argue that all the statistics are wrong because statistics you agree with say they are wrong. you are cherry-picking information.
statistics are the ONLY form of research able to determine what are for all intents and purposes facts. you have spent this argument trying to use basic statistical concepts such as probability to mislead 'there are no such things as facts' well if you classify a fact as something with 100% probability.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Again, I did not say that statistics are wrong. I said that they are not the ideal, because an ideal situation would include all of the information. You can continue arguing if you want, but I'm not arguing and I was never misleading in any way. How does stating the facts mislead anyone? I already explained everything that you're continuing to argue with, so I don't know what more there is to say. I mean, you're beating a dead horse here. It's time to let it go.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween oh please, the only people who make the claim that statistics are not facts because they are based on a probability are doing to deceive not because they are interested in the facts. you know very well what the term fact means in the common vernacular. saying we can never know anything because its based on a probability is so stupid because we may as well curl up and say 'we will never know anything about the world we live because there is always a margin of error'
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Oh right, boys are indoctrinated from an early age to never hit a girl back , so these innocent princesses grow up thinking it's acceptable to physically assault men with impunity, and when he finally gets tired of it, and hits her back it's !!OMG DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!!
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics lmao! wow. You're either an idiot or a liar. And I'm hoping for the former. The Vast Majority of Murders are Men against Men. Next up would be Men against Women. but it's not even remotely close.
Gendo3s2k 10 months ago
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@Gendo3s2k "You're either an idiot or a liar" learn to read what I fucking wrote. I asked whether whether a husband or boyfriend was more likely to be murdered by his girlfriend or wife or the other way around. learn to read.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
Also sometimes bodies aren't found for many years and they can't rule it a homicide because there isn't enough left to determine cause of death. See you're proving my point, the facts are never as concrete as we would like them to be.
actingqween 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Anyone who understands statistics knows that I was not misleading anyone. In fact, I was stating things that anyone who knows statistics already knows, and knows better than to argue with. It's not a half-truth about statistics. It's the truth about statistics. You're the one who seems to be arguing with well known facts, not me. And, since it is such an "obvious fact" why are you still arguing with me? All I said was that people should be cautious when reading statistics.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween yes it is something anyone who knows statistics understands however you are trying to use it to confuse people because into thinking "oh no there is no such things as facts in the world!". you are using your personal opinion to hypocritically state "the statistics on this issue are all wrong except for the statistics that I agree with because they say they are all wrong"
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Are you honestly trying to argue that people should not be cautious when reading research or statistics? Or that people should ignore the fact that researchers cannot possibly know all the details about crime? Or that researchers cannot possibly know definatively which group of people is most affected by a particular crime?
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween bloody hell read what I have been saying. I have not said people should read a statistic and think 'hmm it is true!' what I am saying is that people should look at ALL the evidence and see what this indicates. and ALL the evidence is indicating that you are completely incorrect. the only 'evidence' you have provided has been hypocritically stating the statistics on this issue are wrong with... statistics.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I have read what you're saying. I was just making a point. See, I never argued with you, or said that you were wrong. I agreed with you, I just said that we don't definatively know because we don't have 100% of the information. It's not statistics that prove that statistics can be flawed, it's common sense and critical thinking. Again, I don't want to argue with you, I was just making a point that you chose to argue with.
actingqween 10 months ago
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@actingqween you made the absurd claim that "Statistics are not the best form of research". that is an absurd length to stretch it. statistics are the ONLY form of quantitative statistics which are the only way you can prove ANYTHING. it is incredibly ignorant to make that comment.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween yes or no answer required:
who is the most likely to be murdered: a boyfriend/husband or wife/girlfriend?
what do the FACTS that we know from police investigations of every single murder indicate?
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I never said that statistics should be ignored. I was only suggesting that they be viewed with caution.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween you said "statistics don't actually prove anything." that is absolute crap. they prove things in scientific research every single day. scientific research uses statistical tests to determine whether something is significant and work out the probability of the information being true. so your argument is that when we determine that a vaccine is effective to 0.01 then its not a "Fact" that it works?
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Rapes that result in homicide, are not even considered in rape statistics because they are counted in homicide statistics. Everything I have just stated is factual, and you can do the work to look it up if you don't believe it. I was not discussing murder. I was discussing the specific crime of rape. Please, stay on topic if you wish to make an argument with me. Any researcher will tell you that crime statistics are greatly flawed due to the fact that crimes are often unreported.
actingqween 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics Oh, and I just saw a story on the news today about men in the military who are having issues with sexual abuse. They refuse to report for a number of reasons, many of which are the same as the reasons women don't report. See, I know how statistics work, because I have actually been trained in statistical analysis and research. Go ahead, tell me how wrong I am again. Oh, and what's your expertise on the matter, exactly?
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween congratulations did you take a first year course at university? I have a science degree so I have a pretty bloody good understanding of advanced statistics. ever worked out anovas and linear regressions by hand or did you get a computer to do all that for you? studies take into account the fact that people may not be reporting these crimes and when I present you with a fact on the most serious domestic violence possible - murder - suddenly its not relevant.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween so because you have NO evidence at all to back up your claim, you just love being able to act as though all the statistics are wrong. you know in science you tend to look at where the weight of evidence indicates and all the studies are completely against you. but even if I let you off that, you cannot refute murder statistics at all and they show you just how completely wrong you are.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I know how science works. I've been trained in statistics and research methodology. And as I said statistics shouldn't be ignored, but they should be viewed with caution. See that's what they teach us in science. They are definative proof, they just suggest something with the data that is available. Oh, and you neglected to tell me what your expertise was on the subject. See, I'm aware of the statistics, and I never said that they were wrong, I just said that they weren't proof/
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween environmental science so advanced statistics is the primary method you use for analysis.
your whole argument has been that you dont accept the thousands of studies because you think its wrong. proof is about patterns and independent evidence, and when ALL that supports one hypothesis its time to question why you still believe it. again, when I presented you with irrefutable statistical proof on the homicide rate, because there is no way to hide this you squirmed out of it.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@AussiePolitics I could get statistics to prove almost anything, depending on the type of analysis I do and the method in which I do my research. Do you realise that? In fact, there was a time when statistics proved that men were smarter than women. Now, of course, due to improved research methodology, we know that that is not true, but the statistics of the time said it was. See, this is why you don't jump to conclusions just because you read a statistic somewhere.
actingqween 10 months ago
@actingqween you are acting like a single statistic is being quoted. I am referring to the thousands of studies that have been done all over the world. that is how you prove something in science. each study does have a margin of error but when you add up ALL the independent evidence that is when you see a pattern arising.
women were far less educated than men in the past, so it is little wonder they did worse than men on intelligence tests. IQ etc are extremely subjective.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@actingqween do you know why you suddenly said you were just talking about rape? because you love to be able to claim all the statistics are fuzzy and cant be trusted. as soon as you get statistics like murder that cannot be challenged you have no case at all and you magically exclude it from domestic violence.
sorry but murder is the most serious of ALL domestic violence and women are vastly over-represented.
AussiePolitics 10 months ago
@boxant
Oh, and men don't get drafted in the United States anymore since there is no draft.
actingqween 1 year ago
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Men still need to register for the draft, and if the government decides to in the future, be drafted.
And then there is taking the rest of the world into consideration...
boxant 1 year ago
Phyllis Schlafly is insane. Nothing she says should ever be taken seriously.
technologic21 2 years ago
is good to tell someone.......
Blackheartlov 2 years ago
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Domestic Violence, domestic violence is when ur girlfriend totals both your cars, steals ur money, and her other boyfriend to visits when ur away. Then when you say she has to leave, she callls the cops and has you arressted, then steals yourstuff when your in jail. No marks on her, as long as I'm alive boyfriends can beat the shit out of their girlfriends and I'll give them a medal!
anamericanstory 2 years ago
Yes, b/c statistically speaking, feminists are *always* committing assault, please. Everybody - male and female - should be angry about the level of violence American women are subject to.
rhda8386 3 years ago
Never helps to exaggerate a problem UNLESS you have another axe to grind and the funding obtainable can be used to further your brand of sexual politics eh Ms radical feminist! ;)
MetalTiger667 3 years ago
The feminist wearing blue got violent with shouting at 1:45. We need violence shelters for men, feminist free zones!
telesniper2 3 years ago
I think both are right! They just come from different backgrounds and deal with different people.
Masha0123 3 years ago