Winter Soldier

[DarthMalvestos]

I'm sorry for the men who have had to do these things, but I also was a soldier. I have never seen combat, and maybe i was a lucky man. But I signed the contract to do a job that is neither pretty or valorous. That is the curse all men of war have to live with. And I personally think that civilians have no place in war. War is for the warriors, not the people at home. I feel all this video does is put even more animosity on our troops, for doing the job they signed up to do.

[MrKingcole1992]

i feel for these men they will have to live with what they have done for the rest of their lives but i still think that they are wrong for being against the war. war is part of human nature, killing, destroying. its part of what we are and what we do and it dosent matter why, i do it because someone higher up tells me to. they just need to soldier up and tell themselves whatever they need to to make it through the day. no one made them kill people they signed up to do it

[aattack619]

The vietnam stories make the iraq ones seem like sunday school

[sherhak]

it is because of men/women like these that america has been great, not the corporate war mongers who have sold out and betrayed this country. without a conscience, a human is nothing but a force for darkness. these ex soldiers are a force for light. God bless you all.

[queibex]

PUSSYS!!!!!

[jackson15williams]

@queibex your skinny ass not out their fighting.

[SlipAllCityToy]

@queibex

What is wrong with you!?

[TheRalphus666]

The original Vietnam winter soldier is on you tube and last time I checked it didnt reach 750 views it is an excellent film but its pathetic that it has less than 750 views

[Slic3R1]

@TheRalphus666 could you link me to it? ill definitely try to get it more views

[0114770]

wtf is this shit... so do they think the iraqi people would be better off still being ruled by sadam hussien?

[AngryHateMusic]

Scott Camil is a great individual..

[TheRalphus666]

@AngryHateMusic He sure is I have much respect for Scott Camil and im glad he isnt dead,I recognized him right away

[TheUniverse101]

War has existed, and will exist, throughout the existence of mankind. Without war, there would be no America to fight for.

Putting limitations on war is the same as telling a little kid that he/she can't play video games after 2100. They're going to try and do it, and most will do it.

Peace is a fallacy. If it were real, and meant to exist, then war would be obsolete. And for war to be obsolete, we are rendering ourselves useless and ultimately obsolete.

[MoMacDo]

@TheUniverse101

War itself isn't a natural human imperative, its simply a byproduct of greed and manipulation. Like Napoleon said: A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. As long as there are gullible people, there will be war. The more you know, the less willing you are to kill and die for the profit of someone else.

[pearlman1966]

Tough job staying in the rear with the gear REMF's

[TheRalphus666]

@pearlman1966 yea those Rear Echolon Mother Fuckers sleepin in a nice cot while the grunt marches his ass off and then gets stuck with night watch

[pearlman1966]

Bunch of REMF

[lvrpatriot01]

all these x and present military people in this video sound like hippies, its just some guys are stronger in war situations than others, and i am not dissing them because if you fight in war your not a coward...

[lvrpatriot01]

i really want to be in the military but after listening to these people idk what to do.

[SSFTC]

@lvrpatriot01 join up you slut!!

[TheRalphus666]

@lvrpatriot01 You will be on the front line especially if you dont test well,you will see things that will haunt you every night even when you get back,but its your choice im just trying to give you some insight

[seminar6]

Why join up???.....what do you think you are going to do in the Army ???......you joined to be trained to kill and get paid for it.

[BigRedd504]

@seminar6 Most people join so they can go to college.

[seminar6]

@BigRedd504 ..yes but they know that college is only a part of it.. ...they have to be trained to kill people.

[MrDowneast]

Your listening to a bunch of hippy burnout pot heads???/ why dont you interview some real solders.. you are a disgrace to this country.

[charliemctruth]

These cunts will get no absolution from me. When they had on their shiny boots and cool sunglasses twinkling in the desert sun, and a crowd of adoring Iraqi kids to denegrate,and ordinary people trying to make a living and were being raped and murdered by these fucking robots !!

Semper Fucking FI ???

Bastards..

These are now the cops that are roaming the streets tazing kids and grandmothers.

[TheLight4All]

TRUTH!!! Sad thing is I know marine core trash that wants to return... Thank you all for speaking up, may you find peace cause you found truth.. We are all blessed by your honesty.

[hendricksjd8]

bunch a pussys

[bipolar156]

at 2:00 so he made some guy carry around a rock? wow what a shame. At least he didnt cut his FUCKING HEAD OFF WITH A KNIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really dont understand. whats the problem?

[RainstormInSpace]

war is hell and a part of human nature none of this and nothing like it will ever change that, logically there will never be peace as long as someone wants something that belongs to someone else

[mihaimoldo]

@RainstormInSpace it's human behavior not nature.....if it was nature....we would all be holding weapons and killing eachother....you don't see me holding an AK, pointing it at another human being....terrorist or not, war doesn't bring peace, only peace brings peace....remember that...don't think that's normal to wage wars, it's like thinking the thousands deaths due to accidents(cars) each year are normal....their not, they ocurr due to the dependence of the people on cars daily...

[Sh3pardMelody]

They all have PTSD

[MsSarita08]

Truth:

"War is just organized murder."

[mrad4710]

@MsSarita08 Sad fact of life- war will be here until the end of man. and it's not actually organized murder. was it bad the US went to war against Hitler? was it bad that the US retaliated after Pearl Harbor? tell me that there is no such thing called a necessary war. BTW if someone shot at you would you shoot back or believe that war is organized murder and you wouldnt defend yourself?

[MsSarita08]

@mrad4710 This would be war from the American perspective.Maybe USA wars are in response to certain events,however the type of war I'm speaking of is the unjustified kind.I'm sure that there are people who would say that no war is justified,especially recent conflicts that the US has been involved in,but this is untrue also.When the goal of the war is to ultimately bring peace or solve whatever issue that a treaty doesn't solve,it's justifiable.Just as long as the innocent don't become victims.

[youngbuck189]

Patriots are those who defend the truth, no matter what the consequences. Winter soldiers are Patriots.

[Bouraak]

thanks whatever god you belive for people like this. let everybody know what is happening. specialy young boys and gilrs.

[JacktheFisherman]

actors

[lvdmonstarr]

@JacktheFisherman

your fucking mom

[boredlikehell2008]

@JacktheFisherman are they?

[dhgreene1]

I've never seen so many vagina's in one place. I'd just like to thank them all for getting the fuck out of my military because they are useless. INFANTRY, KILLINGS FREE, FOLLOW ME!

[dhgreene1]

those "retards\' ensured your rights a freedom.

[SkullakaAce]

Great answer. War is organized murder.

[trupnk]

'and i saw him forced to carry an heavy rock untill he collapsed, i'll never forget it'..............you couldnt make this shit up, whats wrong with this guy, go and buy yer self a fucking big cuddly teddy bear dickhead

[Eisenheim1234]

Yeah war isnt pretty faggot. it never will be. and there will NEVER be an end to war. its not humanly possible. so stop fucking crying about it and being a bitch. shit happens and life moves on. WE ARE HUMANS, in other words NOT perfect.

[jjjazzycraig]

i can think of MUCH greater patriots.

[xdfhdfjn]

Fucking pussies.

[edgeyp12]

U.S. out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the rest of the world!

[distressed7]

When a government fears its people more than the people fear it, we have a republic that is free. Until then, we are a Reich. To you military men. To you Blackwater Assholes, remember, there is nothing worse than an autodidactical armed insurrection. When the imaginative and the creative mount a relentless resistance in ways uimaginable maybe then you will surrender, if you can. Payback is a motherfucker.

[BudsClass229]

This garbage. This is a bunch cowards. I served in Afghanistan and Iraq. We all know that War is War. There is a time for peace and a time for a War. As long as there is evil out there, there will be war. I did what i thought was right and I don't regret what i did there.

[distressed7]

Yeh. Yeh. Yeh. Everybody's a coward to the praetorian guards who'd fight for Nero's right to torture little boys if he was the commander n' chief. You're the real coward/idiot who cannot get past square one on the page intellectual courage. Go back to Buds, the world of gray matter needs you.

[RobGoth100]

5:05 hey they are both wearing head coverings (and both have facial hair)

[gullette777]

Robgoth100, your a fucking moron dude, grow the fuck up, shes probably prettier than any girl you will ever see in your god forsaken life as you sit in front of your computer screen never knowing the real world. you fucking piece of shit, No, i take that back, your lower than shit.

[RobGoth100]

Actually I am not convinced she is a woman. she could be a transgendered Islamic activist. don't be so homo-phobic while you fing your scatological references,

[xdfhdfjn]

"You're" not "your"

As in, "Robgoth100, you're an internet toughguy."

[RobGoth100]

Ah, the good old days when protesting the President was the highest form of patriotism. Gone now in the age of Obama. What hypocrites.

[armi555mw]

War is hell, you can't refine it. In every war innocent people die and bad things happen. If we tried to apply the standards that liberals want today, we would've lost WW2. The thing not to do is fight useless wars to start with, but when we do, we are allowed to fight until the enemy would never think about war again.

[lendmeurears]

World War Two was known as the 'Good War' ; it was a unifying force in American society. Blacks, whites, liberals, conservatives, so on, united against the threat of fascism that threaten to engulf the world from Europe to the Far East. There were clear good/evil dividing lines... very few people would have argued against the US going to war with the despotic and genocidal regimes of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. The War in Iraq is not a 'good war', we should have stopped in Afghanistan....

[MaskedWallaby]

Actually, very few Americans were interested in going to war against the Axis powers prior to Pearl Harbor. And for most of the world at the time, who knew nothing of the Holocaust or Japanese prison camps, the dividing lines of "good" and "evil" were not so clear. But history has a way of telling the victor's side of the story.

[lendmeurears]

Very true. I was basically rehashing what most history books say anyway. But nonetheless; if in 30 years we look back at the war in Iraq, I doubt we would conclude that it was a good war like WWII is remembered today. I am not anti war though, we've gone into Iraq and as an obligation to the people there, we have to stay there until we sort this mess.

[distressed7]

Well, history has a way of being written by the victors. "I am no different than the war criminals who got tried. I'd be there at Nuremberg if the otherside won." General Curtis LeMay. USAF. See; Lt. Gen.Smedley Butler USMC-the only military man to win 2 Congretionaly Medals of Honor consequtively. "I will never fight another lousy war for some lousy investment banker..." SEE: WAR IS A RACKET.

[gringodeltoro1]

Let's not forget the two atomic bombs dropped by the US on CIVILIAN Japanese cities after the war had ENDED.

Did you know that American soldiers signed their names on those two bombs who collectively killed hundred of thousand of INNOCENTS?

I bet they don't teach this in school... let's just stick to Washington and the others.

[PickofDestiny08]

@gringodeltoro1 The war wasn't over you dumb fuck, but our bombs sure as hell ended it! You might want to get your facts straight before you come on here with your underwear in a knot.

[Patdls]

And now fascism eats us from within. It looks just like the rest of us, and even talks with the same accent. How do you fight that? That is the peoples war.

[distressed7]

John Maynard Keynes on the Treaty of Versailles: WWI-after the rape of Germany. "In 20 yrs. we will have another world war." That was 1918. By 1938 most of the world was at war. We will have another world war soon and it will be the end of the west as we've known it. Any real victory in the Mid-East will be a Pyrrhic Victory. i.e. Generals:"King Pyrrhus! We've had victory today!" Pyrrhus: Yes, and another victory like this and we are finished." Julius Ceasar won that war. We are led by fools.

[hulakan]

@distressed7 Pyrrhus died almost two centuries before Julius Caesar was born.

[distressed7]

@hulakan You are soo right. I am sorry for that mistake. Please forgive me for my misinformation. It was in the boot, and it was ancient Rome. Thanks for your correction.

[brigade0]

For those of you who say "OMG OMG i would never fire on an innocent person no matter the orders!" You would if you didnt want to get thrown in jail or discharged for not following orders. Soldiers took an oath to follow their orders no matter the circumstances. Nothin will change that.

[lendmeurears]

I understand your dilemma, but if you general asked you to march on the American Congress; would you do this? Do you serve the American people, or the American Army? But yeah, if I was in your position I would shoot to, but I'm just saying that there is a right and wrong in this world, although it may not seem clear...

[Patdls]

You have a MORAL responsibility not to fire on innocents. That matter is greater than your income. Your duty is to protect the constitution and for what it stands. Firing on innocents would be "unconstitutional" and whoever gave that order should fry for that.

Funny how many people are just worried that there will be a football game to watch when they get home, that they are desensitized to the REAL issues.

[jmwaweru]

If you've been there, you'll change your opinion about war. This isn't vietnam, so you cant compare the two.

[armi555mw]

I was in DS. Most of these hippy type soldiers are those nerds that joined up thinking they would never have to fight to get a free education. I knew the type. They were never soldiers and in the field and it doesn't take long to figure out who they are. Most of these probably never did anything, just watched others do it and now take the blame so they can push an agenda. Always a few bad apples someone can start a movement over.

[Pressdrankla81]

Who the fuck cares about warcrimes !!!!?? Do you really think that someone else if he had the military power like the USA would care about that ! Do you fuckheads really think that the Taliban care about your feelings ! They cut your heads of for Allah !

[1MartinD28]

communists

[SigmarKnight]

cry me a fucking river this is shit

[FREEW0RLD2012]

How can ANYONE watch this without crying?

[mgplaya450]

War is hard,but it's necessary. As time passes so does society. Out of chaos comes Order. Society will change and revolutionize a country such as Afghanistan-a country which was ruled by a ruthless 15th century styled dictatorship- they were supressed and it was a necessity to change that. Of course people will face life changing situations and have bad memories,but they are doing a great things.something too big for any one person. Building a new world is going to leave a scar.Liberalism =fail

[FREEW0RLD2012]

So mgplaya450,I guess your a COMBAT veteran eh? Naw,your one of those NWO pussy's.

[bapyou]

"War is ... necessary."

According to whom? You?

[bla34112]

.... dude its not about war alltogether,... rather about warcrimes

[MoMo9316]

i play tons of video games only war based, swat based, navy seal based n tons of first person shooters. i aint gunna say nothing negative im givin respect to all military personal. i saw what my uncle was like after nam it was horrible all the men in my family had something to do with the military from army to navy to air force i plan on takin my family's honor n pain when i join the military.................. mad love and respect for those who fought for the freedom of OUR COUNTRY

[robbanthny]

I'm an IVAW member and I was at Winter Soldier, but I didn't testify. I don't know if I was too intimidated, or ashamed, or if I just plain didn't know what to say- I think it was a combination. I want to thank you all though, with all my heart. I hope you know that you are the absolute bravest and the best of our great nation and our military, no matter what any poag ass wannabee, brain-fucked grunt, or shithead little civi kid who plays too many videogames tells you.

[boredlikehell2008]

@robbanthny you should testify there is no justice with silence.

[PeaceIsRad]

If u do a little research it's easy to see that war is big business and nothing else. The soldiers are the expendables, the president and politicians are the sales force while the big corporate clients rake in all the blood money.

People need to get smart about this if it's EVER going to stop. Power to the People!!

Google Video: RING OF POWER parts 1 and 2

[sightuponlight]

Man, I feel sad for these guys they go to fight for their nation believing their nation is so just, can you see the disappointment on their faces? I would never fire upon an innocent person regardless of the orders. They can stick the orders right up where the sun dont shine :(

Sight.

[jamesrfulcher]

Powerful stuff. I guess I'm a "homo" though and a "hippie" since I hate war. haha Those who glamourize war have ALWAYS NEVER been!

[fuckyouahahahaha]

war isn't for homos with sandy vaginas, cry cry cry, you signed up to get free college, you think you wouldn't have to kill for that money?! moron, also hippies suck

[ousamadidndoit]

you said......."war isn't for homos with sandy vaginas, cry cry cry, you signed up to get free college, you think you wouldn't have to kill for that money?! moron, also hippies suck"

Yeah....but no where near as well as your mom does...she can suck the egg out of a chicken...and she does it for free

[fuckyouahahahaha]

Clever, did you come up with that gem or did your dad tell it to you while he was hitting you from behind, UK sucks almost as bad as your jokes.

[aFRoFx]

fuck this US politik

[jefeisdguard]

It isn't easy to go to a country where death is prevelant. From big bird & Sesame Street to body parts ON THE STREET is surreal & a shock to our MIND! These soldiers tho, have never or done anything to participate in the horrors that Islamic extremists do,especially to the civilian population & our people, which is burn people alive, behead, stone, hang, shoot in the head, live animal mutilations or run an 8 yr old boys arm w/car tire 4 stealing! WE don't understand their cruelty. War is hell

[lordess111]

How is it possible that the US is really doing this.

And that no one wants to know, really. Most Americans I've talked to about these videos just dont want to see them.

[JimmyFormerMarine]

These guys are nothing more than John Kerry wannabees.

[bloodinthewater]

These soldiers are unbelievably brave, yet many of the comments here have so much anger and hate toward these veterans who embody everything that this country stands for. In what way are you "supporting the troops?"

[xbaticus]

you know what I sleep easy, because I know sooner or later we all die one day, and there is a god, and these men will burn in hell forever.

[raouldeming]

Al-Arian, as in Sami Al-Arian, convicted terrorim finacier?

What a great bunch of patriots these IVAW are? NOT!

[LogicalAssault]

War has always been about financial gain and power. The soldiers are brainwashed to think that they are doing the right thing, they do the deeds that the heads of state need done then move on to the next target. Its business as usual. No nation is exempt from this. North American society keeps its citizen compliant by numbing their minds with TV and home comforts. These guys' young spirit will be forever scarred by their actions and what they saw. Now lets learn from it.

[mediumwe11]

We need to get out of that country before American public gets to the point where it hates its soldiers. That IS going to happen soon.

[raouldeming]

[We need to get out of that country before American public gets to the point where it hates its soldiers.]

This was an VVAW puppet show. VVAW helped the 60's folks hate the soldier and they pulled the strings of their IVAW puppets to try and make that happen again.

[Dhimmicrats]

They are liars every one and here is why. They may or may not be right but if these boys were real men and honestly saw anything they would sign affidavits just to get dragged into court and testify.

The problem with these liars as well as the first winter soldiers is thus. If they sign affidavits and are proven wrong (which is a given) they are guilty of perjury.

Side note. NOT ONE of the first Winter traitors would sign affidavits ether!

[timskogy]

If the accounts are tru and the military and government is conducting these type of operations then they will make these guys a scapegoat. All they need is a signed affidavit to prosecute them, do you think they will prosecute Bush or Cheney?

Why is this so hard to believe, we have accounts like this in Vietnam that no one really questions. War sucks and if you think otherwise then you really need to take a gut check.

[milliradian]

That's why I'm going to go over there... to see for myself...Trust no one ;)

[Kohl93]

well if these men are lying they all deserve awards for their abilities as actors. their tears seemed very real to me.

[postprandialzen]

Interesting to see anyone rejecting this. Bandana dude frames their mindset best:

"The marine corps turned me into a monster and I bought into it"

Anyone who discredits these experiences bought into the same thing.

"What? You're a soldier. You're a MAN. This crying is bullshit! Fucking pussy!"

That's often how these people get shouted down. It's not bullshit, it's reality.

This shows the cognitive dissonance of thinking critically, and acting within a system that irons it out of you.

[fRANCE033]

Good on you bud! Don't blame yourself, you were just a pawn in the game of politics!

[JohnR22926]

indecisive: my point is that you have to draw the line somewhere. Saddam did something that nobody has done since Hitler; he invaded a sovereign nation with the stated of intent of absorbing its territory. Even the UN security council voted unanimously to oust him in the fist iraq war. Also, I don't think anyone is "burying their heads". Bush won by an eyelash in '04, and the anti-war left has been rabidly vocal. So, don't worry; BO will be pres soon and then all will be Peace and Light.

[JohnR22926]

dazenman: Thanks for the post. It's great to finally hear from somebody actually on the ground...instead of all these armchair assholes who pass judgement without any firsthand knowledge. Keep posting and let everyone know how it's going from the troops' point of view. Also, be aware the patricia post is from a 60's era leftist, so take it with a grain of salt. Those people are filled with hatred, especially against the military. It's a form of bigotry, like racism.

[NegPhil]

How do I help these guys? They were there for me.  I owe them something.

[davidwbaty]

war !!! what is it good for ? absolutely nothing ! the only ones who benefit are the industrial military complex and the oil corporations . violence begets violence the love you give is equal to the love you get

[JohnR22926]

Sure. For example, WWII was just a big plot by american industrialists to get rich. We should have left Hitler in place; after all, who are WE to judge another culture. I'm sure he was a nice guy if we just would have given him a chance. You know...diplomacy.

[TexanCyclist]

Bush W's Grandfather funded the Nazi war machine, part owner of their Ironworks, while IBM supplied their tracking equipment to keep tab on where their victims went.. Hitler was put in place to create the environment to suck the suckers into waving the flag.

P.S. I'm a Vietnam Veteran & u need to study real history not the TV version.

American industrialist are small players. Follow the money & you'll find International Bankers.

[JohnR22926]

Texan: Bud, I've got two university degrees and have read more books in a year than you have in your life (no kidding!). My favorite subject is WWII so I do know something about it. Of course there were international business ties that linked all the world's govts since the 1800s. Citing some ties between US and German companies during the yrs prior to the war means nothing. Although I think there were some compaines continued business (through subsidiaries) during the war itself.

[TexanCyclist]

How many books have I read & what is my educational background, exactly?

The point I was attempting to steer you towards is: Industrialists since the 1800's: International Bankers have funded both sides of all major conflicts in modern history including our original revolution. The same bank that funded the King of England funded France's loans to the US. With all the books you've read I'm surprised you don't know this.

[doncarlsanders]

I am with you. All the way.

[patriciaredstone]

"In vein"? At least you give a poetic example of why are despised. The "model" we are currently repeating is : we plow into countries with our undereducated, pop-cultured, glassy-eyed nationalists with theocratic undertones and expect "the enemy" to be impressed. The only impressive thing we have is artillery with stupid people in charge of it. Not a model of success, my friend.

[JohnR22926]

Hey, I just looked at your profile and realized you're a baby boomer. This is fantastic as I really hate you people, and don't often find you on the net. I like to think of you as the "least great generation". Every problem we have in this country, from radical political polarization, to failed govt programs can be laid directly at your feet. This nation will not be able to truly reconcile until your entire generation is dead and buried. Only then with bitter hatreds of the 60's fade away.

[reneeruth1]

Thank you so much for your courage and bravery and ability to be truthful and honest. Im sorry that our country put you in hell. I am sorry to the Iraqi people with you. You are forgiven and are doing the right thing, Bless all of our soldiers. Bring them Home.

[jyuja]

Powerful and very moving testimony from these patriotic American veterans on the atrocities they were fraudulently embedded to commit as a result of Bush's criminal wars of aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan sponsored by Israel's supporters in Washington. They are the human and beautiful face of the United States of America .

[VHTcrushes]

wow, heavy stuff.

[mom4education]

Support our Troops!

Bring them home NOW!

Take care of them when they get here!