Post Tribulation Rapture! The Remnant Will Populate The Millennium...Not So Fast!

[harmono]

I guess I'm not very good at listening to audio. But what view of the rapture are you proposing? Or are you saying there is no rapture? All I know is that when Jesus returns it will happen after the tribulation, and that is when the gathering of the elect happens, they don't go to heaven, they stay on earth. This is also when the first resurrection happens. 

[Kronicilln3ss]

I have discovered that the illuminati control the inner circle of a bunch of religions and changed certain things to make everyone the masses and clergy level all fight maybe even the level above them but above the cardinals is the area were they work in the shadows and all know eachother and put out these deceptions. They worship pyramid the shape of heaven is square theoretically based on concepts like good and lackin evil cut in half u have triangle or pyramid of a cube. There's a huge video

[Kronicilln3ss]

Ok this didn't really help cuz the ending didn't have any clear real wrap up of which one is most likely based on actual not speculated scripture I'm still confused at what point u made. Is it pre,mid,or post? That u argued. I was taught all3 and forgot since that was 10years ago now. But scripture only supported 1 think it was mid maybe. Idk but why is it called trial if we don't have to Go through any of it. Just a thought

[anddihier]

Matt.24:29 says Christ is coming after the tribulation. Matt.9 says many will be afflicted for HIS name sake, and 10 says many will be offended--I hope many are not offended because they don't want to pick up their cross and suffer if need be through dying? If thats suffering. God isn't going to put anymore on us than we can bare, it isn't beating us up to go through---it is dying to self, to the flesh and things of it. Verse 10 says we will be here to know the AC. So you throw out those verses?

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser The trib isn't God's wrath when you read the word, we're told it is satan's wrath and some is man's wrath (satan working through man) God doesn't do anything until the 7th trumpet, Armageddon lasts one hour--he tells us that over and over. Yes people will die, yes some will suffer, as Peter did, as PAul did..referance that to taking up your cross and following him. Peter counted it a joy to suffer for God. They had the peace of God through it all.

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier There is a big difference between "in this world you will have tribulation" and "tribulation such as the world has never seen to this time or ever." While it is true that satan and his hoards are ravaging the world during the Great Tribulation, it is not true that it is satan's period of wrath. God allows satan to run throughout the world unchecked only because He has removed the Holy Spirit from His normal duties of protection and comforting.

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser That's right--we are already in tribulation, and the last 3 1/2 yrs is the great tribulation--How many times did he tell us that Satan will be given power to rule over us all, saints included during those last yrs.? WOW...It is so clear on that. The verse saying he then allows the AC reign as it was being held back, doesn't mean his spirit is leaving at that time...He never leaves, we meet him in the air for the final one hour battle Armageddon-here, then He takes the throne here!

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser ..Another reason the pre-trib theory doesn't work..we aren't going anywhere. Christ is coming here, to make his throne in Jerusalem while we judge the next 1,000 yrs.

He never say's we are going anywhere except to meet him in the air (When he comes again) along with the dead in Him.

Read Rev.12---telling us the prophets die in the street (Saints) for 3 1/2 days..God's spirit isn't gone. Then they come to life when he says come up hither---that is the rapture for us all...

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier This where your hermeneutics of prophecy fails. Christ does not touch the earth but meets His bride in the air for the rapture. The second coming of Christ is at the end of the Great Tribulation when He actually touches down on the Mt. of Olives and generates a huge earthquake. Rev. 12 is for the two witnesses only.

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser ..Reread what I said..maybe thats how your missing the prophetic word as well---I did say we meet him in the air when he comes with a shout. He is only coming once, after which, we help him fight the AC and false prophet and those who go with them, Christ sets up his kingdom here...we have a new earth---no one is going anywhere. No where does it say his coming is for just the 2 witnesses..he actually tells them to come up hither..didn't u read that? I hope u have a KJV Bible

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser ..The only concern I have for this theory and my point in hoping it doesn't harm anyone is...when I heard a child at church say...If she missed the rapture,that she'd just take the mark of the beast since she is already lost...

Do you see the deception in that theory..what if others think they missed the rapture and say the same thing?

Also God said himself, that he'd SEND a strong delusion for many to believe a lie---is it those who refused to obey his word...as in Acts 2:38?

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier Pre-Trib is not a theory. It is scripture. How is it that this girl knows about the mark of the beast but doesnt know about the rapture and how to make sure she makes it? In my circles we believe The Lie is going to have an "alien" theme to make people believe that God doesn't exist.

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser ..She was taught as I was at the time that there was a pre-trib rapture. She wasn't praying and thought she could miss the rapture So at 12 yrs.old thats where that theory led her..not good. And it's always haunted me that this could be what others may think after watching/reading the left behind novels/fiction--they do say they are fiction.

Matt.24:9,15,29 says--we shall ne afflicted for Him, we shall see the AC's abomination,He's coming immediatly after the trib.

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier We will NOT see the AC's abomination as we have to be removed from the earth in order for the AC to even be revealed. We with the Holy spirit HENDER the AC from coming onto the stage.

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser LOL...So u don't believe scripture? Were it possible to remind u of this comment when he does come on the scene I would...but I doubt it will be.

God has been holding back the AC's of the past---It's about the infilling of the Gentiles, when thats done, he will allow it because of lawlessness being so rampent, and they do not repentof their wicked ways.

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier You make absolutely no sense at all.

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser ..Well I do know scripture about the endtimes, all of them actually..and I've said all that refer to this,-We don't stop it-God does!

God said he has held back the AC spirit of the world--he didn't allow it to happen as in Napoleon or Hitler, He tells us why in other scripture that the time frame is based on the infilling of the Gentiles, and even then He had to cut the time short for the sake of the saints because lawlessness abounds like the days of Noah, no one would be saved

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser Again...we don't hinders anything...God's word says he has done that, like I said before when u said it made no sense.

He has a plan, people he wants saved--get it? He has them #'s.

But sin gets so bad he has to cut the days short or no one will be able to be saved, as in the days of Noah---get that,? its scripture. I didn't know I had to spell it right out for ya. Your the one that is anti scripture, saying stuff like that isn't even bible...wow

[ProphetChaser]

@anddihier I believe you are confused and lack the eschatologica education to continue this discussion. Please read some commentaries or go to church as everything you have said speaks of the lack of both. May I suggest commentaries by Chuck Missler or Hal Lindsey?

[anddihier]

@ProphetChaser LOL...Speak for yourself, talking about anti-christ like behaviour...that would be you. You do not have the love of christ and if u think anyone would follow your advice mr. high and mighty--then u are sore wrong.

Your the one deceived and lack any scripture knowledge...u didn't quote one verse yet I'm the retard??? Well I pray all that was said will be so profound in your mind that it never leaves you..the word doesn't go out void..even to you

[hammerogod]

I am prepared no matter when the Rapture occurs.

If my suffering helps someone else find Christ then it will be worth whatever the cost.

I only hope I have the courage that the early Christians had when they faced persecution and death for believing.

I do know that I will never follow anyone except Jesus, even if that means I have to die for it.

Better to die with the name of the Lord on your heart than the mark of the Beast on you.

I pray that we all have the courage.

We may need it.

[CristoYcruz]

@tmalone10 How do you reconcile Psa 72:11; Zec 14:16-21; Isa 2:2-4; Mat 24:22 and many others with your teaching? Clearly at Christ return(Second Coming) there will be left Gentiles(Nations) from around the world of which Christ and his body will reign over them.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@CristoYcruz Read where Jesus will have the judgement of the sheep and the goats. The sheep are Believers and the goats are unbelievers. The goats go to wait for the Great White throne Judgement. The sheep are the saved. Now if all are raptured at the end of the tribulation period, then why would Jesus put us through this judgement since we already have our raptured bodies? So that leaves for no saved persons to go into the millenium if all are raptured at the end of the trib. Period.

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[carpentersdaughter2]

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The only way for there to be a judgement of the sheep and the goats is the rapture to happen before the tribulation period so there can be enough time for some to come to Jesus during this time. It is them who will enter the millenium with mortal bodies to give birth and even to die.

No unsaved person will go into the millenium due to the judgement of the sheep and the goats. All the goats, unsaved, will wait for the Great White Throne Judgement.

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 Excuse me but when did I insult you and I am nice. If I offfended I'm sorry.

[hammerogod]

I think, and I could be wrong, that most Mid-Trib and Post Trib Believers feel that, even though we have accepted Christ, that we still deserve some kind of punishment.

This pre-supposes that Jesus did not pay the whole price for our sins.

If Christ left even the slightest stain of sin on Believers then nothing, no amount of suffering, could remove that stain.

If His blood was not enough then nothing ever will be.

Will you pay for ANY of your sins during the Tribulation?

How?

Can't be done.

[tmalone10]

@hammerogod great answer

[reignwithchrist]

@hammerogod Well, I am a post trib beleiver and that is not how I feel at all. The church has suffered persecution since its foundation. Christ said in this world we would suffer tribulation. This is not as a payment for sin. That is blasphemous. It is because this is what Jesus said would happen.The bible is clear that the saints that are alive and remain will be caught up together with those that are asleep.This means there will be a resurrection first. When does that happen biblically?

[hammerogod]

@reignwithchrist Pre-. Mid-. Post-. Just different ways to view one (1) event. Not crucial to anything. I am prepared for Jesus to return today. Hope He does. Who knows? We all have opinions. The questions (variances of opinions and interpretations) about the"Rapture" have been around a long time. I am Pre-Trib because of a few critical Scripture passages and how I understand them. But, I wouldn't bet $1.00 on any of the eschatological timelines. It will happen when it happens. Peace.

[DESTINEEE777]

@reignwithchrist SO YOU DONT MIND GOING THROUGH THE TRIBULATION HUH?

[reignwithchrist]

@DESTINEEE777 Not minding going through the tribulation has nothing to do with it. It's not about what we want.

[hiyosilver100]

@reignwithchrist The Believers *will* endure tribulations (small 't'), of course, as you say. But there are many scriptures that indicate that believers will be taken away and will be in Heaven during the Great Tribulation (Big'T').

[reignwithchrist]

@hiyosilver100 Actually, there are many scriptures that say we will be with Christ during the Day of the Lord, and kept from the wrath of the Lamb. The Great tribulation happens before the Day of the Lord, and has nothing to do with the wrath of the Lamb. The great tribulation is Satan's wrath, and christians will go thru this time. Show me any verse that say's we will be in heaven during the great tribulation.

[anddihier]

@hammerogod ..The Bible says to take up your cross...Would that not be part of taking up your cross? I guess Paul and Peter didn't look at it like it was punishment but rather an honor to die for Christ. Anyways God has us sealed, all they can do is kill the flesh,as they will for not taking the mark---it is the word so...

But they cannot take your soul, and we are to count it all joy! I think people look too much at their own suffering and not wanting to go through--they miss the message

[Myhopeisinhim]

@hammerogod

It's not about punishment at all. They believe that the rapture happens after because that is what they believe the bible says. Paul and Jesus both echo the same time line in Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2.

We must also not forget that Jesus declared that in this world you would have tribulation, you would be persecuted. That the disciple is not above his master, that if he suffered, then you will, too. We've been pretty lucky to live where we do, others aren't so lucky.

[Myhopeisinhim]

They don't believe this way because of feeling like they have to be punished for their sins. They know, unless it's a few cult groups, that Jesus paid the full price on the cross.

[oldlite]

Many think they will live in heaven but what did our Lord mean when he said the meek shall inherit the earth. Seems to me heaven is a temporary place until we are sent back to may I say it to replenish the earth. As an aside I think I'd rather be cremated than be stiff as a board in a coffin withy my double chin showing.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@oldlite Once we have our resurrected bodies Jesus said there won't be any more marriages. We will not be engaging in sex or having babies. This is not part of the resurected body.

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 I suppose you think that angels have no gender. Who will inherit the earth? The meek will or are you saying that Jesus was not telling the truth. Are you saying the meek will not be ressurected. I think your reasoning is very flawed.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@oldlite I know that Jesus always speak the truth, it's man's interperation that I question, not Jesus. No I am not saying the meek will not be ressurected.

Think what you will, it's your free will to do so. My questions and concerns are legitimate even if you don't think so.

[misterdude123]

@carpentersdaughter2 Actually you don't know that. The Bible is silent on whether we will be gender specific in our resurrected bodies. According to Genesis Angels can reproduce and could even cross breed with humans which gave us the Nephelim or Giants as the KJV is concerned. Back to humans all it says that marriages will be over between humans as far as the resurrection is concerned. To go beyond that is to get into extra blibical teaching or imagination.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@misterdude123 It's obvious we will be as we are now only with perfect bodies. We will be living in a perfect time with Jesus ruling over us and it doesn't really matter what the angels are or even how we will be. We will be the same only with perfect bodies and without sin.

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 You say we will be living perfectly but what about when the devil will be released after a 1000 years will people be perfect then/ Use logic. Read the bible. Conjectures and opinions are nonsense by a lot of people.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@oldlite Those people who go into the millenium, they will not be the raptured believers. These were ones who put thier faith in Jesus during the trib period. Those who have their resurrected bodies will never ever be under any type of temptation from Satan. We will be wrapped in white robes, which represents the righteousness of Jesus Christ.,

There is a huge problem with the post trib rapture as it has many problems. The only sound biblical conclusion is that the rapture happens first.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@oldlite Those who will be tempted at the end of the Millenium are the offspring of the Believers who entered into the Millenium with their mortal bodies. Just as Adam sinned in a perfect enviorment, there will be children of the saved who will rebel against God, led by Satan.

I am not insulting you, why do you do the same to me? BE NICE!!!

[hiyosilver100]

@carpentersdaughter2 Hmmm....it says that there will be no marriage. Pls provide the verse that says there will be no sex.

[jvsm1971]

@h Yes,scriptures seem 2ndicate that when Jesus Christ returns there will be unsaved Zech 14 speaks 3 times of those who do not go up to worship/celebrate Feast of Tabernacles will be punished.It appears unbelievers aren't boiling over in fire in hell but actually on the earth.I believe these unbelievers will eventually be saved in the lake of fire judgement&2nd death 1cor3:15if ANY mans work shall be BURNED he shall suffer loss but he himself shall be SAVED yet so by FIRE.

[hiyosilver100]

@jvsm1971 I agree. Many borderline Believers will be left behind and suddenly see the error of their ways. Many will make it to Heaven by the skin of their teeth. There is only ONE unforgiveable sin:

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word AGAINST THE Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth AGAINST THE HOLY Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

[jvsm1971]

@hiyosilver100 Praise God and thank you dear brother/sister for simply sharing with me online, thoughts and beliefs. I love it and I'm often on same vids as you (I see your username) just checking out same kind of things. I thank the Lord for your life and I agree with what you said also. See you soon. Our KING is coming soon to take us home. Im aching to go home..I know you feel same.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@hiyosilver100 Since the Bible speaks of not commiting fornacation, it's Biblical deduction that there will be no sex with those who have their ressurected bodies. Paul also speaks that there will be no fornicators in heaven, so I believe that says it all.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@hiyosilver100 Since Paul says there will be no fornicators (someone having sex) in heaven, that concludes that we will not be engaging in sex. Does this disappoint you? Also since the bible speaks loud and clear about not committing fornacation, it doesn't make sense that we would be allowed to do so once we get our resurected bodies. Sin won't be allowed, nor would we want to commit any sin.

[hiyosilver100]

@carpentersdaughter2 So- you equate all sex with sin. Tell me, were Adam & Eve in that category as they were not "married" but merely living together? Or it seems that under the auspices and permission of God, sex without marriage may be permitted?

[carpentersdaughter2]

@hiyosilver100 no, sex in marriage is ordained by God, so no, I don't consider all sex to be sin, but since Jesus said there will be no marriage in heaven, it's only logical that there will be no sex too.

If sex outside of marriage is a sin now, why would God permit it not to be a sin in heaven? That seem contridictory and it doesn't flow with God's Commandments.

[hiyosilver100]

@carpentersdaughter2 Hmmm.Thinking further here-eating & drinking in Heaven won't be necessary? And no sex? How about listening to the Golden Oldies of the '50s or maybe harps & choirs for eternity? Playing with my Cocker Spaniel? Would be greatly boring, say,1/4 way into 'eternity' if all pleasurable things made by God are banned.

Seems that God made such wonderful things to be enjoyed as we might wish w/out harm in any way to others.We will find out when we get there, eh?

[oldlite]

Pre trib just does not sound right to me. It seems to me many will deny Christ to save their lives while those who do not deny Christ will suffer the persecution. I am probsbly wrong since I'm no prophet. I'd rather have my head cut off then to deny our Lord and King.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@oldlite This is a myth that has been around for a long time that some will lose faith because the rapture didn't happen in the beginning. This is false.

Those who have the Holy Spirit will be quided no matter what they believe in the timing of the rapture.

[ChevKen]

One must be willing to take on Christ's sufferings with joy.He did it for you, but would you pay Him back?

[carpentersdaughter2]

@ChevKen We can't even begin to take on what Jesus did. I mean He paid the price for our sins and what ever suffering we may endure, it doesn't even come close to what Jesus had to endure.

[ChevKen]

@carpentersdaughter2 The Lord paid for our sins by giving His life for us.I am a sinner who would more likely than not be among those called during a pre-Tribulation Rapture.Every time that I read the law of Moses, The Ten Commandments, it is clear that I have a lot to repent for.These days I spend much of my time alone in a sort of life review mode, going over all of my sins.I can see what is happening in the world at the same time.I am hopeful yet terrified at the same time.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@ChevKen Once you put your faith in Jesus for your salvation ALL sins were forgiven. Not just the past, because as far as Jesus is concerned, all sins that were to be committed after His resurection were all in the future, so all sins were paid for at the cross.

We don't live by the law to obtain salvation. The only reason that we live by the law now is because we are saved. We are in the hands of Jesus and can't lose our salvaiton. Our works would never be enough to keep salvation.

[oldlite]

@ChevKen aHe said take up your cross and follow him. Did he say this after he was raised up or before. Would the peole he was taliking to know what he was talking about if he said this before his cruifixtion. Think about it. No one expectedf him to die on the cross so what he said would be meangless to them wouldn't it?

[haeema]

Did you know that Petra is a huge Depression rather than a HIGH PLACE called the MOUNTAINS? You do not flee into the mountains that become only hills, because they are sitting in a Depression of the Earth's crust. Learn where the Mountain are Beloved!

[douglasdolly]

ITS NOT OUR BUSINESS WHO POPULATES!!! JESUS COMES AT 7TH TRUMP,, DEAD RISE AT 7TH TRUMP,, RECIEVE NEW BODIES AT 7TH TRUMP. YOU HAVE TO TWIST SCRIPTURE FOR YOUR "FANTASY PRE TBIB TO WORK"!!! THATS THE TRUTH.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly Why are you so nasty about this? This is why I usually stay away from this topic, even when I was a post trib believer. There are just nasty people on any side of this topic and you don't seem to be an exception here but the rule.

So sorry to see that.

[reignwithchrist]

Here's the order of revelation cont'd

Rev 19 - Vision of the saints gathered in heaven and the 2nd coming of Christ.

Rev 20 - Vision of binding Satan, resurrected saints reigning with Christ in the millenial reign, release of satan, great white throne judgement.

Rev 21-22- New heaven new earth, etc.

See the book of Revelation is not Chronological. It's mostly allegory that can't be interpreted without the Old Testament and New testament. Sometimes it is literal, but it's mostly allegory.

[oldlite]

@reignwithchrist That is your opinon. There are more opinions than my dog has fleas.

[reignwithchrist]

@oldlit You are right, this is how I believe the book of Revelation should be interpreted. The reason is because this interpretation is backed up with scripture all over the bible, not only the scripture in Revelation but everywhere else. As far as your dog goes, you should probably get him a flea bath.

[reignwithchrist]

Here's the order of revelation cont'd

Rev 12: Vision of the women and the dragon cast down to earth (start of the great tribulation)

Rev 13 - Vision of the beast making war on the saints during the trib and mark of the beast.

Rev 14 - 2nd coming of christ with his saints, babylon destroyed, and then god treads the winepress of his wrath.

Rev 15-16 God's wrath described in great detail

Rev 17-18 more description of the beast of Rev 13 and the women riding the beast, also her distruction.

[reignwithchrist]

Here's the order of revelation.

Rev 1 - desciption of purpose of the letter.

Rev 2-3 - Letters to the 7 churches

Rev 4-5 - Johns vision of heaven and vision of the Lamb of God.

Rev 6 - 1st 5 seals are tribulation. 6th seal is 2nd coming.

Rev 7 - Vision of the gathering of the saints (Jews and Gentiles)

Rev 8-10 -1st 6 trumpet judgements (happen during the trib)

Rev 11 -starts with vision of witnesses being killed (Church and Israel) and the 7th trumpet is another vision of the 2nd coming

[reignwithchrist]

You have made a pretty large assumption in your video here. You make the assumption that Revelation is written in Chronological order. This is why you have come to the conclusion that you have. The 2nd coming of Christ is described in at least 4 passages of Revelation. These are: (Rev 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 14, and Rev 19).

I was a pre tribber myself until recently when I discovered things like this. I have a video I created about whether or not Revelation is chronological. It's not.

[eternalrhythmflow]

Well thought out and presented. Pre-trib is the only theory that works. Look up! The feast of trumpets cometh!

[Metalunique]

I didn't quite understand, so I'm gonna have to back and review a couple of more times. I've always understood that if your left behind, you'll have a second chance for salvation if you don't take the mark. I'm really confused right now.

[mRwhite298]

Shalom and praise LIVING LORD JESUS CHRIST Rev4,1-2 speaking of event Pred Trib Rapture and it can not be different because description of CROWNED CHRIST when HI RELEASE 4 RIDER OF APOCALYPSE

[TzeffNL]

I rememebr scripture says we will reign WITH Jesus Christ and not reigning over each other...or over OTHERS...!

[Ulyssesskye]

why do pre tribers say that Yeshua "returns and comes back for the church" before tribulation, but noone will see him; this is to say that Yeshua comes at one point, but not in the flesh. "For man decievers are entered into the world, who confess not theat Jesus christ is come in the flesh, this is a deciever and an anti christ." 2 john 1:7.. we need to face reality; we are raptured at the physical return of Yeshua. HIs reward is with HIm, we are caught up in the same clouds thathe comes back on

[applesjea620]

Hi Terry, Thank you for your updates, I cant wait to meet you in the air. AMEN

[tmalone10]

@applesjea620 I will see you there.

[hammerogod]

I am strongly Pre-Trib simply because so much of the Prophecy regarding Israel cannot happen while Christ's church is on the Earth.

The "Rapture" is a key focal point for the beginning of the completion of Israel's role in God's plan. (awkward phrasing, sorry)

If the "Rapture" occurred after the Tribulation period many of the things that have to happen would all have to happen at the same time and that would throw off the 'Cause & Effect' that fills so much of the second half of Revelations.

[tmalone10]

@hammerogod I agree with you 100%

[33point3]

sooooooooooooooo ...............

[RANJO517]

There is a bonifide, for certain, absolutely sure way of making sure that no one is 'left behind'. ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOU SAVIOR....NOW!! I am amused at those who appear to be looking forward to the horrors of the tribulation period. I believe Jesus loves me (hey, that would be a catchy song title) and wants me to embrace all the blessings he has in store for his children!! That's me and hopefully everyone reading this (:> God Loves Ya

[icysilver1]

1 cor 15:51-52 it says all will be changed. all means everyone. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

[carpentersdaughter2]

I use to be post trib rapture believer for over 35 years. then I came across the question as to who would populate the millenium of the rapture was at the end. I asked this quesiton in a video, but never got a good sound biblical answer. I got lots of answers but they were merely opinion. Some scripture that was given to me was taken out of context. Well, I am a pre-trib believer now and that seems very strange to defend this postion.

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[carpentersdaughter2]

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Something else to consider when defending the pre-trib raptue. In Matthew 25, Jesus says that when He returns He will seperate the sheep from the goats. Well, if we are raptured at the end, why would Jesus seperate us from the sheep and the goats when we've already been raptured? It makes no sense to me. the goats go and wait for the Great White Throne Judgements and the sheep are the ones who will go into the millenium. these are the saved who survived the Trib. Period.

Good video :)

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 are the goats and sheep the same as the wheat and tares.

[eternalrhythmflow]

@carpentersdaughter2 Post-tribbers ALWAYS take the Bible out of context. That is how their ridiculous theory was created and that is how it is sustained. Glad you see things as they are now. See you in the air soon! The feast of trumpets is next month!!

[tmalone10]

@eternalrhythmflow I am open to any rapture theory you may have. As we well know, the Bible is clear their will be a rapture. For years, post-tribbers and pre-tribbers have excused each other of twisting the Scriptures to meet their on beliefs. Well, that can all be solved very easily. The Bible says there will be a rapture, there will be a 7 year tribulation period, their will be a 2nd coming of Christ (with Saints) followed by a 1,000 year reign of Christ with the Saints.

[tmalone10]

@eternalrhythmflow with all that said, who will enter into the Millennium 2 repopulate it? I have taken every rapture theory & tried to place Christian child bearing humans in the Millennium to repopulate it. The only scenario/theory that does so is the pre-tribulation rapture. This is a very important step in Bible prophecy that must be fulfilled. U can't do this with post-trib rapture theory. If u can please show me your timeline that does it. I am very interested. If u believe it prove it

[eternalrhythmflow]

@tmalone10 I don't disagree with you. I have covered this topic in some of my videos as well. I think you responded to my comment to carpentersdaughter2 accidentally.

Only a pre-tribulational rapture works. The Bible is riddled with clues about the "harpazo" being before the tribulation. Take Isaiah 26:19-21. It's obvious.

I get comments on my videos and emails from "posties" that would rather argue than have answers all the time. They can be a rather frustrating lot. God Bless.

[tmalone10]

@eternalrhythmflow you are correct, I misread your comment completely. I apologize and will go to your channel and visit it. Thank you

[eternalrhythmflow]

@tmalone10 No problem, Terry. I've done that too. You do great work for the kingdom! Keep it up, we've not long now :)

[jvsm1971]

@c Hey there sister, :) I am stil pre-trib BUT I found the most AMAZING scriptures in Zechariah 14, 16-19. In these verses, Jesus Christ HAS RETURNED and is ruling from Zion and holding the feast of Tabernacles BUT those who DO NOT GO UP TO WORSHIP HIM are punished by the Lord removing blessing from them. This would seem to indicate that when He returns, the good and evil will remain while He rules. any thoughts? I find these verses simply mind blowing.God bless you.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@jvsm1971 The only problem I see with evil ruling with good after Jesus comes is the judgement of the sheeps and goats, where the goats go to wait for the great while throne judgement.

When Zachariah speaks of those not going up to worship Jesus, he is speaking of Christians who disobey. Even though Jesus will be ruling the sin nature is still with man. The only ones who will not have any problems with this are the Believers who were raptured earlier. There is no punishment for them anymore.

[jvsm1971]

@carpentersdaughter2 hmm.. never thought of that before, that it will be believers who are punished, and I will study that further. Thank you for answering question tho :) exciting times we live in for sure. I cant wait to be home with our Saviour, I know you feel same :) God bless.

[hiyosilver100]

@jvsm1971 If I may- Seems that those remaining to populate the earth will still have free will and choice. Even tho all of the good of the Reign under Jesus will be obvious, there will be dark hearts that will darken even more with time. When satan is released after the 1000yrs, he will have influence on those dark hearts and they will be readily identified to Jesus and they will be weeded out permanently. The reason to have satan reintroduced to the world?

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 I would not become pre trib just cause i dont know who will populate the earth. "Those who are alive and remain" We recive our bodies in the air then come back down to reign with Christ. People wish it was a pre trib so they dont have to go through persecution. Why would the Saints be burned on the cross yet we get a free get away? lol nonsense. Jesus is coming 1 more time at the "TRUMPET" PAY ATTENTION TO THE TRUMPET

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly I would not become pre-trib either, but it is a serious question that needs to be answered and answered biblically. The rapture is not the Second Coming, even for a post tribber, to say that doesn't make sense because the rapture happens before Jesus returns, so again, that would make it three times not two in anycase..

When Jesus said pray that we be worthy to escape all that is coming on the earth, just what did He mean? There is no place to excape too, so how can we escape?

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 there is no rapture,, we are just caught up to recieve our new bodies. the wicked are actually "taken away" at least thats what the bible says. Like the days of Noah,,who was taken away??

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly Now come on, are you really serious? The rapture or the gathering as Paul calls it is the same thing...why haggle over words which mean the same thing...the word rapture comes from the Latin translation of the scriptures which means the same as Harpazo which is to be caught up....

Answer me this scripturally...who will enter the millenium if all are gathered at His coming? Who will die, who will give birth? ..it sure won't be the ressurected ones, so who will it be?

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 Yeah, doesnt the bible say we will be caught up and recieve our bodies?? We inherit the earth we will be tho ones here,, the wicked are taken away brother. Are we gearing up to be taken away or gearing up to evangelize?? This isnt a salvation issue so we can still fellowship my brother. caught up seems like it means suspended in the air recieving a glorified body? lol

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly You seem to disregard the importance of this question. If all are raptured at the end of the tribulation period, that leaves no one to enter the millenium with mortal bodies to give birth, to die and so forth.

It doesn't matter what we are geared for, what matters is, are we ready to meet the Lord, are we saved, period!

But after that the question of who goes into the Millenium with a Mortal body is really important, because it shows that a post trib rapture is impossible.

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 Ps. 90:4 - "a thousand years in Thy sight are like yesterday..." II Pet. 3:8 -"one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" 

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly I want to go over your statement that we will be the ones here...well, our bodies which will be resurrected will not see death...but the ones in the Millenium will see death. While those numbers will be small, death will still be a part of the Millenium...this can't happen to a Believer who has been resurected, then there will be those who will give birth...again, the resurected Believer will not be giving birth..so I ask the question again..

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[carpentersdaughter2]

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if the rapture is at the end of the tribulation period, then who goes in with a mortal body to give birth, to die and so forth?

You see the only Biblical explanation is that the gathering/rapture happens before or at the beginning of the Tribulation Period. This gives enough time for people to put their faith in Christ and to go into the Millenium with a mortal body. when Jesus said, who ever endures to the end in Matt. 24, will be saved, he is refering to Tribulation Saints.

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 i shouldnt comment on the millenium reign because im not sure about it.

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 Early church (c. 100-250) - millennium not emphasized. Variety of views

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 Brother, this is something i need to study more about, although not a salvation issue its confusing

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly If you read Revelation chapter 19 where Jesus returns, you will see that Jesus will rule on this earth for a thousand years. During that time, Satan will be in the bottomless pit...Those who put their faith in Jesus after the rapture/gathering and make it through the Tribulation Period will be the ones who go into the Millenium with mortal bodies to give birth and even die.

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 The truth is there is proof for both sides of the debate. Trust me , I would rather just get taken away from this earth,, your belief sounds soooo much better and we wouldnt have to go through tribulation like all the other Saints. I just hope im ready, the devil is good at telling me im not saved. Its a battle all day long.

[carpentersdaughter2]

@douglasdolly for over 35 years I was post trib. That is until I was reading and studying in Revelation four years ago. The question of who will populate the milenium if we are all raptured at the end is a serious question that needed to be answered Biblically.

You see this leaves out the rapture happening at the end of the trib. period. , Jesus said that when He returns he will seperate the sheep from the goats. Now why would we have to go through that if we have our resurected bodies

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[carpentersdaughter2]

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We won't be seperated from the goats because we supposedly have been raptured.

Read Isaiah 26: 19-21 Here you see God taking His Children then His wrath is poured out on the whole earth.

The reason for the seperation of the sheep and the goats is because those who put their faith in Jesus during the trib. period will be seperated from the goats who will go and wait for the Great White Throne Judgement.

Read Luke 21..Jesus says to pray that we be worthy to escape ALL..

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[carpentersdaughter2]

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...the things that will come upon the whole earth..now if we are here, we in the world can we escape too? There won't be anyplace to escape too. Jesus is going to make that shout, we will hear the sound of the Trumpet and we will go be with Jesus right at the Tribulation Period.

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 does not make sense to me. The saints who are in heaven now is told to wait a little while longer until the rest of the saints are slain. what does that mean?

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 Theres avideo called The Truth about the rapture 1- 6,, will you check it out? Thats the video i watched to get my understanding,,can you send me one?

[hiyosilver100]

@carpentersdaughter2 Absolutely. Those taken in the rapture have no fear of the second death.

[oldlite]

@carpentersdaughter2 what is your opinion of what the 2nd death is and those who will not fear it?

[douglasdolly]

@carpentersdaughter2 So where does this 1,000 year period come in? Notice that the first and second time this period is mentioned [vs. 2 &3] it refers to the length of satan's imprisonment, not the reign of Christ. Then it tells us that believers and Christ both reign during this period. It does not say they stop reigning at the end of the 1,000 years. We might think this is implied if not for the plain teaching of Scripture elsewhere [see above].

[Billthesheepdog]

This is a very good explanation sir. My only wish would be that it was done not with just your black Calvary Prophecy screen but with scriptures listed for us in addition to spoken. The charts you did use were super. Pre Trib is the only rapture that makes sense to me! Thank you for this wonderful explanation!

[tmalone10]

@Billthesheepdog go back and view it again. I just got through finishing up editing this video with scripture and my comments. Give me your feedback on the edited version please.

Thank you

Terry Malone

Calvary Prophecy Report

[Billthesheepdog]

@tmalone10 Terry?  It's perfect this way! Thank you! It is now a great teaching tool!

Some may still argue over it but as you said, it is not a salvation issue, so not a reason to fight!

One of your best sir. This old saved sheepdog thanks you for it!

[VEMUSIC]

AMEN



[misterdude123]

Interesting but only the AC and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire at the 2nd comming. Obviously the dead unbelievers are not raised from the dead until the end of the millineum. But nothing says that unbelievers that survive the trib will be executed. I guess we will find out when it all comes to pass.

[Billthesheepdog]

@misterdude123 Wouldn't the unbelievers who survive have already taken the mark? The sheep would go to the right and the goats to His left. They could be thrown into the lake alive I suppose !

[misterdude123]

@Billthesheepdog You need to remember that the Great White Throne Judgement does not occur until the end of the millineum. It is at that point the unbelievers are condemmed. As for those who take the mark and survive the trib we don't really know all we can do is guess. Also keep in mind that during the trib many will be saved.

[tmalone10]

@Billthesheepdog that's exactly right according to research. Some Bible believing scholars believe those who have taken the mark will be given a new body at the time of the judgement of the nations and cast alive at that time into the lake of fire. Just as the Saints will be fitted with eternal immortal bodies so will the unsaved. Only difference their eternal bodies will be created to last eternally in the lake of fire...But not without torment and pain.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 actually, most Bible scholars believe that Scripture holds that those who take the mark will be cast into the lake of fire at the judgment of the nations just before the Millennium (Rev. 14:8-11; 19:19-21). Verse 21 says that those who took the mark were executed (slain) at Armageddon. I have read a scholarly report on this very subject on the Pre-trib research center website. If you get time I would search their site for that article. Very interesting article.

[tmalone10]

I just went to the Pre-trib Research Center site and it is temporarily out of order. You will have to check at a later time when it is back up.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 I just remembered. another reason those who take the mark will likely be thrown into the Lake of Fire at the judgment of the nations is because Jesus would be judging them twice, once at the judgment of the nations (sheep & goats) and then again at the Great White Throne Judgment with the rest of the dead. There is absolutely no Biblical account where a person stands before the Lord and is judged twice. 

[misterdude123]

@tmalone10 Terry. The judgement of the nations, both great and small is at the Great White Throne at the end of the millineum. No where does it say that those who take the mark and survive Trib will be executed. The text says only the AC and false prophet are thrown alive into the Lake of fire at the battle of Amageddon. Certainly of course the gathered armies are destroyed but no one else goes to the Lake of fire until the Great While thrown judgement, not even Satan.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 you will have to do some scholarly research on this subject. Your understanding of the judgment of the nations is contrary to what I and other conservative Bible prophecy teachers teach. By what you are saying is that if one does not participate in the Battle of Armageddon even though they take the mark of the Antichrist (and there will be many still alive) they will not be judged, executed and cast into the lake of fire. What will happen to these people? Enter Millennium?

[misterdude123]

@tmalone10 Terry it is very simple. The text clearly states that only the AC and false prophet are cast into the like of fire. The text also states that some believers will have been given authority to judge. There is no scripture that states there will be mass executions after the battle of Armaggedon. Yes lots of people (2/3s I think) will die during tribulation. Those dead that took the mark will not be judged until after the millineum.

[oldlite]

@misterdude123 hey dude everybody will take the mark but will you survive it. Better dig a hole and bury your survival food and water that is if you refuse the mark. All this debate over Revelation is ridiculous. Since all will take the mark the only anology I can think of is during the nazi era when good Germans hid Jews during their persecution. All in all though I think debating this is unending like the debate over abortion. On and on and on.

[misterdude123]

@tmalone10 If there is a verse that clearly beyond any debateble doubt then please indicate the passages. Yes I know a time comes when the unbelievers and believers will be separated with no further chance for salvation (ie Wheat and Tares parable). However the gentile nations are not completely destroyed at the battle of Armeggdon, only their armies according to revelation. The OT says that 2/3 of Israel (all twelve tribes not just jews) will be killed during tribution

[misterdude123]

@tmalone10 Also it is an assumption that all unbelievers will take the mark. one thing that revelation does make clear that if you take the mark and die before Christ return you have no hope of salvation. But for trib survivors with the mark scriptures is silent on their fate. So to state they will be executed is just an assumption. But we will know at that point in time when Christ returns what is their fate should they be luck enough to survive trib.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 You wanted a verse that clearly says that those who take the mark will b sent 2 the lake of fire (Revelation 14:9-11). Verse 10 even specifically states when this punishment will be specifically given...the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God. We know that the wine of the wrath of God is at Armageddon (2nd Coming). If we are to read this as written those who take mark will be killed at Armageddon & sent 2 the lake of fire. That's all that take mark. no 1 excluded.

[misterdude123]

@tmalone10 Remember Christ taught that for the sake of the elect God has cut the time of tribulation short so that mankind will not be 100% wiped out by either mans actions or Gods judgements.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 All unbelievers during the tribulation will take the mark and scripture bears that out. " And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8). I'm sorry but all means all. When the mark is introduced, it will split the world into two categories...those who take the mark and those who don't. Who are the tares and what judgment will they be divided at?

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 what will be the fate of that tares following this judgment? Will those who have survived and taken the mark be given safe entrance into the Millennium? Will they be executed for taking the mark and sent to hell to await final judgment? Or will they be judged, executed, and sent to hell to await final judgment? Or will they be judged (tares) and cast into the furnace or lake of fire. I would love to hear your scenario from the 2nd coming until the Millennial reign.

[tmalone10]

@misterdude123 from what I am hearing you have a multitude of holes to fill starting with why you don't think that everyone on the face of the earth will either take the mark or accept Jesus as Savior when Rev. 13:8 specifically says it will. Start with that and then we can move on to why the wheat and tares judgment is not the judgment of the nations. Virtually every Bible believe prophecy expert agrees it is. Do a quick search on the phrase "Judgment of Nations".