"Obama Did Not Let Me Down"

[StinkingHombre]

AWOL is drinking too much on Sunday Night and missing work on Monday morning.. Desertion is leaving, flipping the military the bird and running away never to return! Two totally fucking different things you asshole!

[hawaiidiver68]

Show me the regulation, never mind, i will show you, since you are by far way too upset to think logically. we can get into the charges and specifications of both articles, 85-Desertion, and 86-AWOL yeah, duh, they are two different things. but you got them both wrong. missing work because of too much to drink the night before falls under general article 134-Prior Intoxication. And now since Bush's files were sealed. he may not be guilty of any of that, he definately wasn't charged

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - ok, even if Bush did go AWOL, that's no excuse for Obongo not meeting the Constitutional criteria for the Presidency.

[hawaiidiver68]

i never said bush went awol, i even doubt he failed to report to his appointed place of duty. I SAID you sound like the same fanatics that said that shit. you want to discredit the president, and every time your kind has, it has been shot down as a frivolous waste of time and money. i do not understand people like you. you claim to have the answers, but you have nothing. if 'they' were trying to take over the world, don't you think 'they' would have accomplished it in the last 100 yrs???

[hawaiidiver68]

you want us to 'wake up' and think like you do, well your conspiracy theories holds less water than your sneakers do. i know the courts ruling is not good enough for you, and even if you saw the 'real' birth certificate, that would not be good enough for you. nothing will be good enough unless it told you exactly what you wanted it to say regardless of the truth. and just because you don't accept THIS president, doesn't mean you're not subject to the laws of this land.

[hawaiidiver68]

you still have an obligation to society to be a law abiding citizen. get over it, suck it up and drive on, do what ever it is you need to do to make it thru the day as a decent human being.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - fuck you, there is no reason to "suck up" Obongo's ILLEGAL Presidency! Go jump in a lake! IMPEACH!

[hawaiidiver68]

so, it isn't legally sufficient for congress to vet, it isn't legally sufficient for the courts to judge, it is only legally sufficient for YOU to determine. wow, didn't know i was debating with a god. i am honored.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - The Patriot act expires tonight thankful to Bary, now Al Qaeda cells will be able to communicate unimpeded with throw away cell phones and PDA's. Hopefully you'll be gone with the next series of attacks and your last words can be, "Bongo? Where are you?"

[hawaiidiver68]

ya know, for a god you sure are dumb. The Patriot Act does NOT expire tonite. 2 sections of the act expire tonite, and those two were put in the reauthorization of the act in 2006. and since i own more weapons than a platoon of geurella's, i really don't need to rely on my gov to protect me. i know how to set aside hate to judge a man on his own merit, i don't rely on somebody to tell me that somebody is a bad person just because of the color of his skin, or the clothes he wears.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - The wiretapping provision expires tonight therefore Al Qaeda will now be able to communicate via throw away cell phones and PDA devices unimpeded by "illegal wiretaps." Good going you slimy scumbag! Hopefully you will go in the next wave of terrorist attacks.

[hawaiidiver68]

once again, that sunsetting provision was designed and enacted in 2006, not 2009. i do not live in fear of terrorist attacks, i am sorry you do. now do you feel better taking your anger out on me?

[hawaiidiver68]

either you believe in the constitution or you leave it the fuck alone. you cannot pick it up every time you want to use it and set it aside for your own fucking convenience. Pick one, it isn't that difficult.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - The President's oath to defend America supersedes Al Qaeda's right to have untapped telephone conversations. What's your excuse for Obama's ineligibility to serve as President?

[hawaiidiver68]

once again, either you support the constitution or your don't pick one. you cannot set it aside at your own convenience. what excuse could i possibly come up with, maybe the one where he was elected. just because i didn't vote for him doesn't mean he isnt the President of the United States. so, pick one, constitution or no constitution

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Bullshit! ....President Lincoln suspended Habius Corpus during the Civil War and the country survived. Habius Corpus was reinstated at the end of the war! The President also swears an oath to defend the country and a legal argument can be made that it supersedes certain individual clauses in the Constitution. We need to be able to listen to terrorist cells in REAL TIME! I don't know of any abuses of the wiretaps and I don't think you do either! The country is at war mind you!

[hawaiidiver68]

Latin, You have the body.] A writ (court order) that commands an individual or a government official who has restrained another to produce the prisoner at a designated time and place so that the court can determine the legality of custody and decide whether to order the prisoner's release.

And that is NOT what I was referring to. once again, you either support the constitution in its entirety or you dont, you do not have the option ot pick and chose what part your want to use

[hawaiidiver68]

without due process, you have no justice, but for somebody like you justice is just a word, and our constitution only applies partly to you alone, and nobody else.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Congress has not vetted, nor have the courts judged, that's a fact bubba! All we want is that they do their fucking jobs and respect the Constitution!

[hawaiidiver68]

you use your hate to promote your ideology, and you get mad when others don't hate like you do. you blindly follow somebody that spouts the same hate you do and have the nerve to demand that everybody but you respect the Constitiution. Do want them to respect the constitution or suspend it to serve your hate? to serve your fear? make up your fucking mind.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Everybody but me? What about Abraham Lincoln? I suppose you're smarter then he was huh? No, unlike you I am not willy nilly about the FBI or CIA wiretapping Al Qaeda cells in the United States. You sound like one of those assholes that thinks it's proper to bestow the protections of the Bill Of Rights upon foreign Islamic terrorists. You are getting what you want, the terrorists can now have private conversations, soon they will be killing us in droves but they got their rights!

[hawaiidiver68]

and you have allowed your hate and fear to blind you. they, the gov, just broke up an al qeada terrorist cell, the funny thing is is that they were all white middle class americans, just like you next door neighbor. you want to suspend the constitution for some kind of security or to exact some kind of revenge, and that is wrong. it is people like you that saddens me that some of my friends have died protecting your fucking rights, and you have no respect for that.

[hawaiidiver68]

in one breath you say you want the gov to doe their fucking jobs and respect the constitiution and in the next breath defend suspending the constitution. you cant have it both fucking ways. al queda terrorist cells are not only comprised of 'rag heads' you moron, or even foreigners and you cannot see that. You turn a blind eye to those white middle class americans that want to destroy america as well. you chose to live in fear, but the constitution wont be suspended just because you want it.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - The President swears an oath to defend the United States and a legal argument can be made that his responsibility to do so supersedes certain INDIVIDUAL clauses in the Constitution. POINT IN EXAMPLE: LINCOLN"S SUSPENSION OF HABIUS CORPUS during the Civil War! You are thicker then a plank! What legal argument can be made to continue ignoring Obama's obvious ineligibility to serve as President? WHITE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS??? Here comes Timmy McVeigh's ghost again! He's DEAD!

[hawaiidiver68]

i wasn't talking about timmy, i was talking about that terrorist cell in NC that was broken up arround three months ago. they were white middle class americans, but they were obvious terrorists the gov said so, so they don't deserve due process, you said so. me thick? you are the one that wants to give up your rights for a little bit of safety. now as far as Obama, just because the courts didn't rule in your favor doesnt mean they havent ruled, your hate and fear does not rule my life

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - First off Asshole, the entire Constitution has not been suspended and second off it's not my call dipshit, it's the call of a lawful PRESIDENT! "White middle class America" has nothing to do with this you asshole! They are the victims here!

[hawaiidiver68]

you are fun to play with. now, just because you say obama doesn't have a 'lawful' right to be in the white house, doesn't mean you are right. just because the courts have ruled in his favor, does not mean that have not ruled. you are the one making stupid demands and idiotic statements without any fucking facts. in one breath you want the gov to respect the constitution and in the next you want them to suspend parts of it. look beyond your hate and fear, there is life out there

[bb44332211]

No one was interested in seeing authenticity of citizenship in 2008, but I wonder, if in 2012, people might become more curious about such papers proving or disproving citizen authenticity.

[StinkingHombre]

@bb44332211 - You bet, a future Conservative President will indeed have the authority to subpoena Bongo's "vital statistics file" in Hawaii! Bongo's eligibility needs to be the focus of a full fledged investigation and if he is found to be a usurper as the whole fucking world knows he is then every last thing he did as President can be rescinded.

[Hillary2016vote]

In 2012, vote Obama. Vote for HOPE and CHANGE in 2012.

[StinkingHombre]

official Certificate of Nomination

[StinkingHombre]

OWNED!

[witecracker2]

i think that there will be a massive attack on the american people through the use of aircraft,IE chemtrails...

they have been doing this for years, bio warfare to cull the population and also to get people sick so that we have to pay to try to get well,...these people are criminals@!!! and i am to because of the possession of pot charge in the 80s,...id rather breath that smoke then the stuff they spew out in the air to get us sick,...when will it end...

[911kaminski]

This is a windfall for the insurance conglomerates that steal over TRILLON dollars a year that should go to health care workers not some middle man insurance con man. Now Obama just made 30 MILLION criminals that will NOT pay insurance cons that deny everything unless you work for the government or some multi-national corp. that has no allegiants to America. This will only benifit the greedy insurance companies and destroy the working poor. Americans are too brainwashed to see it.

[bb44332211]

Americans don't want all this expansion of government, -all the takeovers and powergrabs. Americans want a limit to the spending, funding, subsidizing, and bribes to senators.

[Hillary2016vote]

In 2012, vote Obama. Vote hope and change in 2012.

[linwooddeaton]

How long do we pay for this before it is available?.

Think of that.

[hawaiidiver68]

the movie was 300, not 200 and the movie, while conceptually correct, was historically incorrect. Sparta won that one battle, but lost the war. Sparta fell, it is gone, gone, gone

[FilmBorne]

Yeap USA is going bankrupted

[Cobra666Commander]

This Bill is unconstitutional, once put into effect it is said to be UNCHANGEABLE AND UNREPEALABLE. This is fucking TREASON. It's time for an armed march on Washington and HANG EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT. MURDER THEM ALL.

[Metallklumpen]

That's a very democratic approach to take. How do you intend to deal with the problem with obesity in America? Gulags, perhaps?

[hawaiidiver68]

do you honestly believe that there is a single piece of legislature out there that is unchangeable and unrepealable? there is not one single law in the united states that is set in stone, or is that absolute. this bill is ludicracy at its finest, but not unconstitutional.

[jensyinLA]

CNN gets this guy to put a positive spin on a terrorist incident that nearly murdered 300 people. He acts like it is no big deal. We need a leader, not one of his lackeys speaking. BO has let us all down. BO will be happy on Air Force One, laughing all the way to the bank with his cronies, while the rest of pay for his delusions of granduer. Now every American MUST have buy health insurance & wait until his "brillant new safety measures for the airlines come into effect". Our saviour!

[hawaiidiver68]

interesting perspective, don't quite see how muslims fit in to the pic, but then i don't live in your universe. but the end of this discussion is that Sparta lost, they are gone gone gone

[RasTmaan]

Next Election, All of you mother fucker democrats and independent should stay home let the Republicans take over, Atleast they tell you like it is, they don't trying to fool you. It is better to have an honest Republican rather than bogus nigga in the white house.

[hawaiidiver68]

and what, exactly, happened to Sparta?

[beancube2008]

The fanatic extremists didn't break our security protection. Religious wars are outdated. Religious have no right to declare wars for us anymore.

[7216sp]

Obama care to die for

[Asymmatrix]

Obama let down everyone who voited for him. He could have easily pushed for a public option or Medicare buy-in, but he's a sold out scumbag. Period, the end.

[RasTmaan]

Jewish are less than 3% of the US population yet the have 15 Senators, Niggaz have only 1 Senator while the are 12% the US population. That is why the White power keep Jailing Black Men while the stupid niggaz jump up and down because the Have one house nigro in the white house.

[Savedleech]

That makes no sense..

[StinkingHombre]

Columbia College records -- Not released

Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released

Harvard College records -- Not released

Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released

Baptism certificate -- None

[chromal]

StinkingHombre's credibility: none

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - FACTS don't require "credibility."

[chromal]

LOLWUT! You are the very definition of gullible, then.

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Now that's a deep statement indeed!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

[chromal]

Well, if you believe that in spite of the evidence to the contrary, I pity you. You've lost grip with reality.

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - there is no evidence to the contrary, neither you nor slicbro nor Mr. Magoo nor anybody else knows where Obama's specific birthplace is...THAT'S a FACT!

[hawaiidiver68]

President Obama was born in the State of Hawaii, Island of Oahu, County of Honolulu, City of Honolulu, do you want the GPS co-orndinance as well? you want to believe somebody that says his b/c is fake without providing the 'real one' how much sense does that make?

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - some more FACTS for you - Illinois State Senate records -- None

Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost

Law practice client list -- Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

[slicbro]

Nitwit every president has their private records sealed, it is recomended to them by security officials. Why dont you get your head out of your ass, drop the republican talking points and actualy start using your head?

[StinkingHombre]

@slicbro - bullshit, Obama is the one and only President in the history of the United States that nobody knows where his specific birthplace is. Where are they going to hang is memorial birthplace plaque? On the beach? Airport? In a pineapple field?

[chromal]

Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States, On Aug 4th, 1961. The could put it there, I guess.

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Kapiolani refuses to confirm that....WHY?

[chromal]

@StinkingHombre: because it's settled and closed and nobody owes anyone any further explanation or apology.

Except maybe the Birthers, for explaining why they wanna look like crackerjacks. It's popcorn-munching stuff, tho.

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - It's not settled because you say it is, half of America wants to know!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Kapi' olani refuses to confirm itself as Obama's birthplace because they don't want any part of that lie! ROFLMAO!

Copy of a Hawaiian Vault Copy Birth Certificate = $12.00

Obama's lawyers fees to keep it secret = $2,000,000.00....

ROFLFAO!~

[chromal]

*shrug* your first point: if you say so, I guess. your second point: so what? *yawn*

[slicbro]

Nobody knows where he was born?.......You dont have to talk for me. I know where he was born. So do most Americans. Again, please drop the republican talking points. They make you look stupid. We can have a real substantive debate, but that usualy requires facts and truths.

[StinkingHombre]

@slicbro -  You don't know his specific birthplace and you can't prove that you do. We were all told he was born in Hawaii but you haven't got a clue where....

Got an address Smartass?

[slicbro]

The birth certificate president by his hospital of birth is sufficient enough for us sane people. I know you are looking for one signed by the entire state of Hawaii, good luck with that one.

[hawaiidiver68]

so if an offical from Kapi'olani had stood up and said 'yes he was born here' would you then believe? and since nobody can present any evidence to prove that the b/c on file is a fake, then i fear that all of this is just extremist hype

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Stop beating around the bush and show the genuine article! If chicken little told you the sky is falling would you believe it?

[hawaiidiver68]

we have been shown the 'genuine article' it is you who have not been able to show that it is a fake. Where there is no evidence, there is no crime. prove that he wasn't born in hawaii, put your money where your mouth is and prove it is fake.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - That's not a birth certificate and the whole fucking world knows it's a photo-shopped forgery. The American people have the absolute right to Obongo's bona fides and in time we will indeed get them regardless of if it's tomorrow or 10 years from now. You know eventually somebody in the know with the proof is going to want a pay day!

[hawaiidiver68]

point of intrest, the copy of certificate of live birth is not your birth certificate, that is true. but you are trying to tell me that the CIA, Secret Service, and FBI are all conspiring to get a foreign national elected president, or they are just to fooking stupid to do their jobs when it comes to checking the background of the candidates running for President of the United States. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???????????

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Your ignorance regarding this issue thus is demonstrated forcefully. It is neither the job nor the duty of the either the CIA, FBI or Secret Service to see Presidential candidates vetted. One FBI official recently likened it to a burger flipper at McDonald's having his manager investigated. It is the sole duty of the candidates party to see them vetted, in this case the DNC, more specifically Nancy Pelosi. Nano is above lying to see her candidate of choice in the running huh?

[hawaiidiver68]

i didn't say it was their job, i just asked if you think something like this would have escaped them, because you know they ran checks anyway. Now as for the site you sent me to, it sounded, to me, like the same type of conspiracy theorist who said that bush couldn't be president because he was technically a deserter. but my ultimate answer to all of the b/c bs is that if he was born to an american citizen, then that makes him a natural born american citizen.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - again, it didn't "escape" them because it's not their fucking business in the first place! Going AWOL after a weekend is not being a "deserter" you schmuck! It's fairly common anyhow and you can still get an honorary discharge. Desertion and Absent Without Leave are two totally different things! After 2 tours in the Marines and several more in the Merchant Marines my old man missed work on Monday morning and was charged with AWOL, he still received his honorary discharge! BS!

[hawaiidiver68]

boy oh boy and you call me names. Military justice is not something you want to get into with me. leftwing extremists claimed that bush went awol with the intent to never return to military duty, that-little man- is desertion. now right wing extremists are declaring obama's birth cert to be a fake. so according to the both of you wingnuts we have been without a 'legal' president for 9 years now. extremist are incapable of rational thought, but you are fun to mess with :)

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 -Bullshit you asshole, if you think AWOL for Monday morning is the same thing as a full blown desertion you don't know shit about shit about shit regarding military law. Bush had an awol on his record for missing work Monday morning, Obama is not a natural born American citizen! That's not an "extreme" statement, it's a FACT! You wouldn't know the truth if it bit your ass!

[hawaiidiver68]

once again, little man, i don't buy into conspiracy theories, if they were true, then we would have had a one world gov many centuries ago. you understand nothing about the law as you think that you can discuss legal definition with out citing one single precedent, you can claim something is false without proof and you can ridicule and belittle just because somebody doesn't agree with you. its a good thing you are only in charge of your universe.

[hawaiidiver68]

It was claimed that bush left his place of duty without authority with the intent to never return to it--look up article 85 UCMJ. I did not say he did, I do not believe he did, I believe that extremists are like 2 yr olds, and cannot rationalize. now having reviewed all of your claims that obama is not a natural born citizen, it was declared by federal court to be 'frivolous and not worthy of discussion' and the state dept of health verified seeing the original and attested to its authenticity

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Whatever Bush did does not excuse Obongo's lack of credentials, you pass the buck to Bush for everything you can. This is about Obongo furthermore how can a judge rule a case "frivolity and not worthy of discussion" without hearing the argument or looking at the evidence?

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Time will tell, Bongo's deepest secrets are all going to see the light some day, count on it!

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - For the record Einstein, who produces and who signs off on the Certificate of Eligibility distributed to each one of the states? For the Democrats it's the DNC who produces the Certificate of Eligibility and for your Messiah it was Nancy Pelosi who's signature authorized it. ever wonder why this election 2 copies where made? The first gives the legal explanation for Bongo's eligibility and is kept by the DNC, the other for each state omitted the legal explanation...WHY?

[hawaiidiver68]

since neither of us will ever see any of those originals, you can only trust your sources. as for the rest, i dont care. if he was born to a united states citizen, then he is a united states citizen. and i will repeat that again and again until you understand that.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Are you on drugs? They are online thanx to the Freedom of Information act and indeed available for all to view. I know you don't care how your party tramples the Constitution or commits election fraud. Being a United States Citizen is not enough, the Constitution calls for "Natural born American citizen" not an ordinary citizen! Furthermore he was British at birth due to his transient Kenyan father, that alone is enough to disqualify him!

[hawaiidiver68]

and it looks like you dont know an original from a copy. you are trying to split hairs with a sledgehammer, and you are not doing a very good job of it.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - it takes two citizen parents to produce a Natural Born American Citizen, the sons of Kenyan transients are not Natural Born American Citizens!

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Barry was at the time of his birth a British citizen. He inherited his father's British citizenship status at birth in full accordance with the British Nationality Act. How the fuck is a little British boy a Natural Born American Citizen? You're so full of shit you need to advertise!

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - I'll tell you why muther fucker, because 1 felony count in DC beats the fucking hell out of 51 felony counts, one for each state and one for the District of Columbia! Do a search engine on the document in question and see it for yourself. You obviously have a stated ignorance for the workings of a Presidential election!

[hawaiidiver68]

it is obvious that you will not even believe the long form should it be provided. Stuart Chase once said; for those who believe no proof is necessary, for those that dont believe, no proof is possible. And altho he was talking about God, it does apply in everyday life. Nothing but giving you want you want will satisfy you, regardless of whether or not it is the truth.

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - More bullshit excuses? We all know that no long form exists and will never be provided. With that said, in the unlikely event a long form is produced it would undergo forensic document examination. Do you know what that means Fanook? It means that the hospital records and physicians signature would be JUXTAPOSED against the long form and the attending physicians signature juxtaposed against known examples. It would be very, very, very conclusive evidence indeed! Stop the Bull!

[hawaiidiver68]

not a single excuse in there little man. i am just stating that the person that accused him of lying was not able to produce any evidence to the fact. if you are so all fired sure that he is not a US citizen, where the hell is YOUR proof to show that his certificate of live birth is a fake? where is it?

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - He is not a Natural Born American Citizen as required by the Constitution and the evidence for that is his own self-admissions to the fact and the fact that his father was a Kenyan transient! The sons of Kenyan transients regardless of where they where born or their mother's status are not Natural Born Citizens and are not eligible for the Presidency!

[hawaiidiver68]

Fourteenth amendment, which added to the constitution an explicit description of who shall be citizens, "making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States Once again, born to an american citizen makes you a natural born citizen

[StinkingHombre]

@hawaiidiver68 - Yes dipshit, ordinary Citizenship! Natural Born Citizenship and ordinary Citizenship are two different things! DIPSHIT

[Silveracity]

@slicbro

Have you seen the real birth certificate?

No, you haven't, and neither have I, so we don't know what is says.

[slicbro]

Sorry Silvercity, I dont buy into Republican Talking points. I'm sorry they converted you into a decepticon.

[Silveracity]

Why do you call honest questions, talking points?

As long as you can stay with the truth, there isn't a problem.

The truth is, that it is against the law for the State of Hawaii to release a copy of the Original birth certificate.

What does that have to do with a talking point?

[hawaiidiver68]

they aren't republican talking points they are extremists wingnuts pissings and moanings. His views have nothing to do with this republican!

[StinkingHombre]

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

[alyahenai]

"i watch CBS and I see BS" - Nas

[mccullars]

The fact is when this health plan comes to US the people WE are going to lose....

The funny thing is all of the folks who are voting FOR this wont have to use it...THEY will have their own health plan that far exceeds the crappy one that will pushed down our (the people) throat.

Obama is going to do exactly what he has set out to do: destroy America.

Destroy our economy, (our money ) so he can start a ONE currency between ALL north America.

And disarm AMERICANS.

BUT WHY?

[Nupiyo]

stop watching fox news. the funny thing is your right. only because those voting for it are rich and can pay for it. us 30 million poor folk and those that don't get treatment because of "preexisting conditions" will need it. but thanks for thinking of us.

[hawaiidiver68]

it was CNN that put out that the birth cirtificate was fake w/o providing the 'real' one

[hawaiidiver68]

Somebody has to look out for the working poor, since it isn't you!!! This bill is not for the welfare state, they don't want changes, their plan works great, and it isnt for the rich, they got it made. It isn't even for the upper middle class, it is designed for those that make less than 80k/yr, but targeting the majority of those that make less than 40k/yr. get your head out of your ass and join the real world.

[mccullars]

Get real this plan is to give health care to the illegal immigrants and the and those who prefer to sit at home while you and I GO TO WORK AND PAY TAXES...if this was such a great plan why is it only the private citizens who will HAVE to take it?

Because it sucks! YOU need to pull YOUR head out of your ass my friend and wake up.

Socialized medicine does NOT work, just talk to the poor citizens in Canada, they HATE it and you will too.

Please educate yourself before you talk.

[hawaiidiver68]

socialized medicine does work, just ask your military, or your vets. but that is beside the point. this bill is a train wreck of a piece of shit legislation that is doomed from the start. if congress had pooled their brain trust they might actually get a double digit iq, and see that changing who pays for it does not change the price of it. i want healcare reform, not a new insurance policy, or HMO. and since the public option was taken out, it will be sent back or pocketed it wont pass

[mccullars]

When all the congress, and all the legislators and the president himself has to use this health plan I will except it...... If this health bill effect EVERYONE Except those who push it and pass it I see a problem WHY don't you??

I will lose a good insurance and get a SHITTY ONE why should I celebrate?

Yet those in congress and house pass another raise for themselves and keep BETTER health care that you and I can afford .

[StinkingHombre]

One term provided impeachment doesn't take his useless ass out first!

[chromal]

Oh please.

[RasTmaan]

how the hell can be the number 3 democrat when he is not even a Senator? Black people just plane idiots. They put one nigger in the white house and feel they got power. 99.99% the senators are White and that is where the power is.

[EndTheFedRes]

RasTmaan

You know you spelled "plane" wrong?

Look I do not agree with Obama at all, he is a habitual liar, and tramples the Constitution, but if you want people to believe you then state it with eloquence, non-racial, non-partisanship. Otherwise everyone is just going to think you're an idiot.

[StinkingHombre]

@EndTheFedRes - He isn't a "habitual" liar, he's a pathological liar!

[EndTheFedRes]

StinkingHombre

Good point, but he does lie often.

[slicbro]

Do you know anything about how our government functions?........do you know how legislators earn their ranks in congress?.........No you dont, because if you did you wouldnt be making a stupid statement like that. Clearly the Anchor said the #3 democrat in the house.

[chromal]

Hahaha, not over racists!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - He ain't got no birf certificate fool!

[chromal]

According to the state of Hawaii, he does. Without credible evidence to the contrary, you sound like just another pathetic Birther Conspiracy nutjob.

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - I think the American people have the right to see his bona fides and not be forced to rely on a guarded statement released by some obscure Hawaiian authorities. If he had a real Hawaiian birth certificate he would have laughingly produced it by now blaming the whole incident on racism. I don't believe the carefully worded statement of the Hawaiian authorities and you're the nutjob not me!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Besides if you tool the time to read the statement they never said they had an actual Hawaiian birth certificate on file for him, they said they had a "vital statistics file" whatever the fuck that means! Let's see that muthafucker, if all is in order then it's totally fucking benign isn't it? Then there is the issue of his British citizenship at birth which in it's own right is enough to call bullshit on his usurping ass!

[chromal]

Dunno these Birther Conspiracy theorists don't understand this is even deader in 2009 than it was in 2008.

Philip J. Berg didn't just lose his case against Obama re: the birth certificate. He had his rear end handed back to him for his case being both "without merit" or "controversy." (US Court of Appeals 3rd Circuit No 08-4340.)

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Tell me something Chromal... How can a judge rule that a case is without merit without having heard it or seen the evidence? It's not over, it never will be until the light of the truth hits that vault in Hawaii and you can bet the ranch it will some day!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Wrong - you never read that carefully worded terse Hawaiian statement did you? They didn't say they had an actual Hawaiian birth certificate in his name on file, they said they have a "vital statistics file on record and in accordance with Hawaiian law" whatever the fuck that means!

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal - Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)

[StinkingHombre]

@chromal -  Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)

[chromal]

Well, shit, I guess we better impeach the man!

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Ed76638]

We're not getting health care reform because 4 cunt senators have decided that this is THEIR bill.

[Antonio33s]

Obama did not let us down. Since he was a candidate, we knew Obama was a U.S. hating Marxist like Castro, Chavez, and the the rest of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America.

His strategies are very similar to those of the Marxist thugs, including his "help-the-poor" scams like Obamacare.

Robert Creamer, a CONVICTED FELON and Obamas ACORN associate, outlined the guidelines for the Obamacare SCAM in his 2007 book, "Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win."

[chromal]

You seem to be confusing Marxism with capitalistic and free-market. Protip: they're opposites.

[chiefdancingostriche]

obama's greatest wrong so far, sending 30,000 more troops to afghanistan. his best act, more than bush ever did, was climate change legislation. bingo, lil o gets a + for that.

[MrDeppness]

Love how he got cut off at the end. That was smoothly.

[AlexRmF]

yeah... smooth as a saw...

[ReDDDgo]

russia-vs-usa . ucoz . com

[flukeumup]

Leftist can never admit their messiah has been a huge failure. Gitmo, Iraq, Afghan, taxes, healthcare, foreign countries mocking and laughing at Obama - hopes and change

[Nupiyo]

that or you cant admit that it does not matter what he does you just want him to fail. its funny how you expect him to do everything perfectly and quickly in the government when almost the hole republican party fights with him. maybe you forgot he is not the only one in charge in Washington and its not like what he says can go.

[flukeumup]

Nupiyo, Dems control washington. Democrats have controlled Washington for the past 3 yrs and Obama begged to be president and now sends his days blaming others. He made the campaign promises, and he can't even convince his super majority Democratic congress to buy into his agenda.

[chromal]

Rep Clyburn is a refreshing voice of reason, here.

[borat443]

You ever notice these people always start by saying the opposition party person is a good buddy and they are not lying, these house negroes and chronies, are all good friends, they just act like they are opposing each other to make the drama look good, its funny that people are still going for this charade and dont throw all these bums out on their ass and make them get a real job...

[chromal]

They're negros, huh? Racist much?

[borat443]

i was being nice by saying negroes, and im blk so i cant be rascist against blks, anyway...

I got no love for old ass house negroes lining their pockets in congress, no more than i give a shit about the crackers doing the same...fuck em all, they are all scum except a few, like Kucinich, Sanders,Paul

[slicbro]

Hold on, i'm confused...........so if i'm correct, what you are saying is that it's okay for you to make stereotypical racial refferences because you're black?

[borat443]

Naw im sayin you made your comment now go play, i dont care about your opinion, thats what im saying..thanks for sharing...

[slicbro]

i wasnt casting a "opinion" i was asking you a question. A question you cant seem to answer.

[borat443]

Yes it is ok because i say it is now whether you like it or not is another thing...But its ok for me did that answer your question....Isnt there a xmas special or something on you wanna go watch askin me questions will get you no where

[slicbro]

No......no i have nothing to watch.

[ThePatriotHour]

borat443

STFU you GOP schill.

You have no country, no logic, and no say in America anymore

[borat443]

Im an indy so screw u..

And their is no America their is the US of the pimped out numnuts who want beer, porn, and video games, and entertainment...and wouldnt know what politics was about if a senator took a dump on thier head twice a day...ur fucked and dont even know and wouldnt know where to start to fix it....