The Tudors Henry VIII and Jane Seymour in Bed Together

[1Punk18]

If Henry knew what we do about who determines the gender of a baby he would have probably not beheaded or married so many wives. Note the word probably because he was a womanizer and seemed to of only wanted one thing: a son to continue his family in the role of King of England.

[TheSweden000]

Love and respect to Jane. She was a strong, kind and gentle woman who lived in the wrong time. May we make her proud...<3

[bookworm1138]

when did this happen? i never saw them as much as together naked in season 3 (and i've seen the whole of the Tudors once through)

[peacedesertrose]

@bookworm1138 Its episode two of season three.

[1981Galadriel]

@PoopsicleForLife But Jane didn't produce a son until near the end of her life. It was also a few months before she got pregnant at all. Technically, Mary could've been treated as a threat to her for most of her marriage as there was no way of knowing that Edward would be a boy until he actually came out. I'm not trying to hate on either wife in this comment, I'm just saying there was no effective way of knowing gender until birth in that time.

[justustoknowx]

I think its great that he told Jane he loved her more and warned her not to spoil it

but he didn't love her enough to make it so he wouldn't have needed to warn her.

[chykim1]

jane was my favorite...she bought henry stability, reuniting him with his children, no drama, she was kind hearted. also..she gave the king a son. 

[the4beautiful]

@chykim1 CUT THE GAVE HIM A SON THING. She doesn't determine the gender or make the kid, henry viii did. The only thing she did was carry the son and birth the son. Jane Seymour is kind hearted sweet person, but ruined it by using she gave the king a son.

[chykim1]

@the4beautiful i will not cut the son thing, because its a fact..she did give him a son. and i agree she was kind hearted....anyways, im entitled to my opinions and im a grown ass woman, dont come at me with this. its for entertainment purposes...whats the matter with u??

[the4beautiful]

@chykim1 CUT THE GAVE HIM A SON THING. She doesn't determine the gender or make the kid, henry viii did. The only thing she did was carry the son and birth the son. Jane Seymour is kind hearted sweet person.

[Vio12]

Gotta love a husband that would give his wife a thinly veiled threat as a reminder of his "love" for her.......

[NorryaParsa]

I saw fear in Jane's eyes at 0:57. She knew what Henry was capable of and who she married! She was smart to listen just now. Jane knew how hurt she would be, even worse if she pushed further!

[tropicsgoddess]

@PoopsicleForLife She was hated for usurping Katherine of Aragon's place as the rightful Queen of England, but those that revered here were the Protestants since Anne Boleyn was an influence on Henry VIII to break from the Roman Catholic church so he could divorce Katherine of Aragon . Even after Henry VIII's death, there were the Roman Catholic factions versus the Protestants.

[ShellzStarz718]

@PoopsicleForLife It's alright:)... I can tell you have passion for history that's cool!!, but "The Tudors" among others such as "Elizabeth" and "Elizabeth the Golden Age" are what I admire. Now I know this show isn't extremely accurate to the real thing

Thanks for correcting me on what I didn't quite understand!

[NicolaWriter]

@PoopsicleForLife

The same can be applied for Anne Boleyn. Look,I know you like her. But you have to be objective as well. Jane Seymour had seen upclose the cruelty that King Henry was capable of. Again,I don't blame her for one bit for being quiet. King Henry VIII did NOT like women that bucked the system as evidenced by his treatment of Queen Katherine,Anne Boleyn,and his own daughter! Anne Boleyn was smart when it came to court intrigue but a complete fool when it came to her husband.

[NicolaWriter]

@PoopsicleForLife

The thing that separates Anne from Jane is that Jane knew when to shut up. That is a survival skill and it kept her head intact. Anne Boleyn was in above her head from the start. Again,you are applying 21st century feminism to 16th century life. Look at ALL he did before he married Jane. What SANE woman is going to run her mouth to a man like that? Jane might have been bursting with opinions and other things,but I believe she quite liked her family and her head.

[NicolaWriter]

@PoopsicleForLife

You marry a man that broke his first wife emotionally and mentally and then chopped the head off his second. if that isn't bad enough,he has proven to be quite capable of killing friends as evidenced by Thomas More and family of his enemies as proven by George Boleyn's execution.

With all these carnage and destroyed lives before you,what would you do in Jane Seymour's position? Jane had more sense than Anne ever did.

[NicolaWriter]

@PoopsicleForLife

I am going to be perfectly blunt. For all her glamour,sex appeal,and charisma.Anne didn't have common sense and didn't know when to be quiet. King Henry VIII was NOT to be played with. She didn't learn that lesson and that with the failure to have a son,was what doomed her. He would've gotten rid of Anne anyway because she was a political liability and his people hated her. I would say that Jane had more sense because she knew when to back down.

[michelleelizabethx]

@NicolaWriter Anne DID have common sense but her ambition and her character was her downfall. When you're courted by the richest and most powerful tyrant in your land, you're pretty much doomed from the start. Jane wasn't smarter and didn't have more common sense than Anne Boleyn; she just learned from what happened to Anne. You can't make any distinction between these two - they're two very different people.

[NicolaWriter]

@michelleelizabethx

I see your point but politely disagree. She saw what he did to Queen Katherine,Thomas More,Wolsey,Fisher,etc. NONE of that convinced her to act with sense and hold her tongue..That argument can also used for Jane Seymour. AB fans blame her but what could she do? Turn down the king and risk ruin for herself and family? Jane a load of sense because she saw what King Henry was and acted accordingly.

[ShellzStarz718]

@PoopsicleForLife And....Honestly I don't understantd why you have to be so harsh to someone who is aking you a simple question for the benefit of knowledge. You can admit that Queen Anne was a better Queen Jane, your team Anne and I'm team Jane... whatever I believe that they were both influential women of that specific time period I just prefer Jane more in this series.

(I assume that you get fired up about these things alot hmmm?)

Thanks for the explaination though...much appreciated.

[ShellzStarz718]

@PoopsicleForLife Alright then... could you explain the relationship between Anne and Mary Tudor to me?... because truthfully I think she was rather insecure about Mary becoming Queen over Elizabeth...than Jane who excepted her stepdaughter.

Just wanted to know your argument for that...

I'm curious.

[LNor19]

@PoopsicleForLife Henry was a catholic in many aspects after the break from Rome, he just didn't have the Pope to listen to as he was the head of the Church of England, and therefore his own Pope, so to speak.

[LNor19]

@PoopsicleForLife I think you misread my comment. If Henry did anything to ruin Jane's name, it would reflect poorly on their son. In those days, the reputation of the mother was key into how a child and heir would be recieved. And actually, Jane became quite popular in the short time she was queen, she was greatly mourned.

[ShellzStarz718]

@PoopsicleForLife Ok, just to clarify it was indeed Jane who was Henry's favourite out of all of his wives... that's a fact and you can research it for yourself. Anne's portrayal in this series does irk me... not that I don't love Natalie Dormer<3... She now feels the same as Catherine did when she was Henry's mistress yet Jane isn't doing it on purpose as a mean to seduce him, she was truly genunine other than Anne.

Sorry if you disagree ...I'm team Jane!

[Hattaru]

I am so proud of Jane, she said "Listen to your people and your heart" she was Queen and she cared for the people and the country, a thing that Henry never understood.

[ShellzStarz718]

And third of all

3. SHE WAS BRAVE FIERCE AND GAV HIM A SON. props to Queen Jane <3

[ShellzStarz718]

Reasons why this Queen was the best out of all his six wives:

1.She came from good family and didn't have a power hungry father that was constantly on her back to seduce the King so that she could keep her thone and title *coughcoughThomasBoleyncoughco­ugh*

2. She was a kind and loving stepmother to his other children and even asked Henry to bring his daughter Mary back to court. Unlike Anne who feared that Henry would choose Mary as Queen over Elizabeth.

[Hattaru]

@ShellzStarz718 OMG you are so right and I am happy that you wrote this, alote of people hated Jane after what she did to Anne, which to me is bull crap, what Anne and Henry did to poor Catherine is nothing what Jane did to Anne, it is not her fault that the king fell out of love with Anne, to me the whole Anne Relationship was built on lust and only lust, they both were power hunger, I believe that he lusted after Anne, and you can't not bulit a relationship just out of lust.

[michelleelizabethx]

@ShellzStarz718 Seriously, your ignorance astounds me. Came from a good family? The Seymours were JUST as politically ambitious at the Boleyns were. Maybe if you do some proper research, you'll also discover some of the scandals that happened in that family. And dare I ask, do you remember what happened afterwards? Thomas Seymour's beheading? Ring a bell? Of course Anne would be doubtful of Mary. Katherine of Aragon was her enemy. What more is there to say? I'd like to see you in her position.

[michelleelizabethx]

@ShellzStarz718 And Jane had no other woman who could contest her validity as queen. Of course she was going to be a "loving step-mother." But notice she wasn't so lovey-dovey with Elizabeth, right? Why Mary? Because she's Catholic. Enough said. You align yourself with others who hold the same beliefs as you do; it's only human nature.

[NicolaWriter]

@michelleelizabethx

Yet she never treated Elizabeth as cruelly as Anne did Mary,did she? She was far kinder to Elizabeth and didn't go out of her way to be hateful to an innocent child.

[1981Galadriel]

@NicolaWriter I agree with you completely. Jane was closer with Mary because Mary was an adult, easing her way back into Henry's favour, and could come to court often, unlike Elizabeth. There are sources that site how Anne pushed for Mary's death. I have not found one that says Jane said anything like that about Elizabeth. Anne's attitude towards Mary was not forced on her by Henry. Most of his wives tried to be nice to her. If he had wanted her dead, she would have been.

[NicolaWriter]

@1981Galadriel

Anne was quite the bitch towards Princess Mary but she did have a change of heart. She tried to befriend Princess Mary but asking a girl to be kind towards the woman that took her mother's place was a bit much. I don't think any of us would've been able to do that had we been in Princess Mary's place. She also is said to have asked for Mary's forgiveness towards the end of her life.

[NicolaWriter]

@NicolaWriter

I think Anne's behavior was based in insecurity about herself and Elizabeth's position. The people hated her and most of Europe regarded her as a mistress and Elizabeth as a bastard. Princess Mary was seen by the English people and Europe as the rightful heir and princess. Anne couldn't direct her anger at them so she chose Princess Mary as a target.

[1981Galadriel]

@NicolaWriter I have read that Anne asked for Mary's forgiveness towards the end of her life. Clearly her conscious did kick in, so she wasn't all bad. I just prefer Jane because Mary was no less a threat to her potential children (as Jane didn't know she had a son until a few days before her death) than she was to Anne's, yet Jane was always respectful towards her. I think I would've been the same in Mary's position.

[ShellzStarz718]

@michelleelizabethx Sigh...pity... no need to snap now :(

It's really not bery be fitting of you to say such things to someone who is merely expressing an opinion... I may not know alot about history but that doesn't give you an excuse to be rude. I just love the Tudors! Don't you?? Can we agree on that hmmmm?? It's show put on the air for clear enjoyment.

[TheNuharoo]

At that point I'm sure that Henry was sick and tired of his wives always interfering in affairs of state and always being on some 'cause' and not really letting him relax. At that point I would be tired of it too.

[JasamTnTLante]

You know I think that he loved Jane the most in cerrtain ways because she gave him a son and died in time for him to not get tired of her! However real love isnt like that, its not one partner threatening the other and blaming everything on the wife!

[princesaelizabeth4]

la jane fue la mas ramera de las 6

[Razordolly7]

This whole series just sucked bigtime... appallingly bad costumes and scant regards to facts...

[falseelasheffect]

@balenguer OMG, how many times! She was actually a very brave women, to marry a man who had just beheaded his second wife, she was no wimp or 'dumbass' as you call her. So stop stating things that you don't know, and get educated with the actual truth. And why on earth would she start speaking her mind, and being ambitious and shouting her mouth off, seriously would you have done that?!? Whoever did that, was certainly asking for their head to roll, Jane obviously learnt from Annes mistakes.

[TakerBride777]

@falseelasheffect  Uh yes they fucking should! that's the 3rd fucking person Tilikum has fucking killed! 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe they should of shot the beast when it was killing her! Do u understand martin 102486! KILL a human being!!!!!!!! No save the whale this time!

[michelleelizabethx]

@falseelasheffect Brave? Not necessarily. If that king asks for your hand in marriage, you DON'T say no. If you're one of the reasons this King beheaded his former queen, you DON'T say no. Brave? Not at all - she just didn't have a choice.

[TheSweden000]

@balenguer I'm so mad! Jane WAS brave, she was definitly not a "dumbass" as you call her! She did spoke her mind, Anne too - but the difference between them was that Jane knew when to stop, Anne didn't. That's why Anne was executed. Henry loved Jane becuase of her kindness and humility, nothing else.

[falseelasheffect]

Henry beheaded Anne, because he had the power to and she had been charged with adultery and insest although i think she was wrongly accused! And yeah you might say well you dont behead someone you love but you do if you are a King and people like Thomas Cromwell said so and prooved it. I really think Henry had just had enough of Anne and wanted out, and he didnt want anyone else to be able to have her, so he had her killed because it probally really affended him and made him furious.

[genchandy]

Jane was nice.

She wasn't causing trouble on perpose. She was just trying to be careful.

[alrewyrn]

It kills me when he says that he loved Jane more than Anne. I wish it weren't true.

[balenguer]

he imortalized anne without knowing because he made her the most known queen of england!

[sweetasbro0]

@balenguer Anne Boleyn is absouluely not the most know queen of England.

[tsRodrigues1989]

Henry can't love anybody besides himself.

He's a brutal and arrogant man like all absolutist kings.

The serie is romanticized, of course, but the truth is that.

[deloufu]

@tsRodrigues1989 Hell if you ask me he's a dirtbag.

[Elisabetta611]

How can anyone say he truly loved her, he threatened her with execution then and there! (What actually happened was even worse, he threatened her in front of the court!)

[evaperonfan]

I agree. He loved her in death, but not in life.

[BoleynHowardAragon]

I believe he loved all of his wives (except for maybe Anne of Cleves) in one way or another. Or at least while things were going his way. When Catherine of Aragon delivered a boy early in their marriage, they'd be very nice and loving to each other, when the boy died, it all changed. Same with Anne, he loved her at the begginig, but love doesn't equal *eternal love*. I wasn't just lust, you wouldn't do all those things for lust, esp. when you could have any girl. Things just changed with time...

[lucylulu97]

@BoleynHowardAragon totally agree

[m16chick]

@BoleynHowardAragon He also was a bit of a spoiled child so to say. He wa so use to getting what he wanted, and having woman after woman flock towards this ideal title of "queen." Also to the ones that were placed in front of him like a game of chess. Wasn't so much time, just the time period. Men were allowed to "fall in love" with whom ever they wanted. Women, not so much. Anne had the great honor of turning him into a tyrannt, then finding out she couldn't stop a tyrannt.

[annie10103]

@BoleynHowardAragon

He did love Anna of Cleves, but only as a sister.

[gatorprincess8]

@BoleynHowardAragon I think in his own way he loved Anne of Cleves too

[DuttyGyal718]

@scrambledmusings or would have been beheaded for believing otherwise. :-P

[lucylulu97]

@scrambledmusings

i love the way you have talked about it and i totally agree with you , anne is the best , she changed the face of england in so many ways

[MsAbbie101]

@balenguer yire sooo right!

[MsAbbie101]

I completly agree !

[DeirdreDiandra]

you guys are so judgmental and cynical...it is obvious for who knows what love is,that Henry loved JANE TRULLY!She was the only who had a Queen+s Funeral,and Henry saw in her,the Light of his Life.He cared for her,and loved her.he was buried beside her,cause he said he wanted it in his Will:for she was the best of wives and his Love.go and search what her epitaph was...Love can really save a man of his own darkness.that happened while Jane was alive.

[mmmmmvodka]

@DeirdreDiandra

Again? HAHAHA! I understand you like Jane more. She was a nice woman.

But I also understand she provided a son for Henry. I'm sure things would have been different if she died giving birth a baby girl. Really different.

[DeirdreDiandra]

yes...im guilty hihihi! today i watched the episode of Jane´s death in my country and i was so sad that came here to Youtube and comented all that i could about Jane.

[mmmmmvodka]

@DeirdreDiandra

Oh yeah. The one good thing I liked about her is that she was able to bring Mary and Elizabeth back into Henry's life. I'm not sure if she did that in real life, but in the show she did. I thought that was very nice of her.

[hearttune98]

hi she did in real life, bring them together. I like her although I first hated her for making (indirectly) Anne Boleyn die. However, she was nice to Elizabeth.

[QueenAnneBoleyn1536]

@mmmmmvodka

yes...she did...

[xlovexothersxalsox]

@mmmmmvodka Yes she did do that in real life.

[tropicsgoddess]

@mmmmmvodka She did reconcile them with their father and she shared a close relationship with Mary until her (Jane's) death. Henry VIII's last wife, Catherine Parr was the one who persuaded Henry VIII to restore Mary and Elizabeth to succession.

[QueenAnneBoleyn1536]

@mmmmmvodka

Agreed!!!!!!

[fleurgi]

serious turn off if i was having sex with a douche like this who tells u or rather warns u not to "spoil his love" i would be utterly disgusted.

[um22w22]

LOL

The douch's a king!

[BoundlessFreedom]

Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour. <3

[kathCT]

@PalasAthenea may I ask why? I liked her. I know the show isn't entirely accurate but you have to remember that women were used by the men in their families to advance their power. Jane was one such woman. Plus, she reconciled Mary and Elizabeth to Henry, inviting Elizabeth to carry the baptismal cloth and had Mary be Edward's godmother.

[RebiTitanic]

how many times does he have to say jane?

[genchandy]

I felt alot like a Queen Genri VIII, because it was sure like the same with my ex's.

I deffenetly had a divorce with my first ex-friend, he was very annoying and always gotten in my space.

My second ex-friend, he turned out even worse, although he didn't get executed, but our friendship did.

And now I'm still with my third companion, and things are still so far so good.

[carrington73]

Jane was the love of Henry's life. He mourned her for years and was buried right next to her when he died and she was the only one of his wives to receive a Queens burial.

[LadyShaka5]

Once I heard he died calling her name....

[LadyShaka5]

Wow

In the tons of books I read about this I never read that...I guess he just ignored poor Anne...anyways he's buried together with Jane so....

[LadyShaka5]

But that was the most important thing for him....OK I'm a fan of Anne Boleyn but I think Jane was more important in Henry's heart...personal opinion.

[falseelasheffect]

@LadyShaka5 he apparently did die calling her name

[cjcheri]

@carrington73 Which is more important? Being crowned and anointed queen of England in your lifetime or receiving a Queens burial?

[janeEyreAddict]

man he is one hott king ;)

i find it very interesting 2 that he said that he loved her more than his first wives...

hmm..

i wonder if thats true

[teslurv]

OMG, as if he'd have threatened Jane like that! Load of tripe!

[DuttyGyal718]

He actually did tell her that in reality.

[t1tspears]

I think Jane was lucky to have died so quickly because it was only a matter of time before he would have had her killed. For the life of me, I will never understand why anyone would have married him willingly.

[Kitty273]

INot the mother of his precious son. She was safe.

It must've been a strain being married to a man who humiliated one wife and killed another. Jane must've walked around on pins and needles,never knowing what would set the lunatic off. I couldn't imagine the stress of being married to a nutter with absolute power.

[t1tspears]

I believe an early death is what kept Jane safe. There is no reason to believe that he would not have eventually killed her too, especially if she didnt have another son or if another pretty girl walked by. He had a habit of adoring a woman until he suddenly hated her completely.

I'm lucky I wasnt married to him because he would have killed me the first minute. I definataly dont know how to keep my mouth shut.

[wickerwillow]

I respectfully disagree. I believe that Henry would have stuck by Jane. She could pretty much get away with anything and he'd still stay with her. Not to say he'd listen to her or anything.

He would never kill his son's mother. He probably thought she was God sent and even if he did fall out of love with her he wouldn't have done anything to jepordise Edward's legitamacy or his feelings. He really loved his son. He may have cheated but he deffo wouldn't get rid of her for a new woman.

[tiadejo]

janatha said:"jane is like stgedford wife"ja

[samsagitarias]

It's right that this scene is a protrayal of an actual one. Which begs the question, had Jane not died in childbed, how long would it have been before Henry was convinced to dispose of her too given her religous leanings ? After all, he was convinced by so called advisors to arrest and execute Catherine Parr for daring to question him on matters of reigion - only she saw the warrent before hand, and Henry relented when she said that she only questioned him to take his mind of his painful leg.

[DuttyGyal718]

How long you ask? The 2 possible answers are simple. When he got bored with Jane OR if she didnt give birth to a son.

[samsagitarias]

I meant after the birth of her son, if she had lived, how long would it had been before she too was cast aside. After all I doubt that Henry wouldve tired of her more likely that he wouldve been persuded by her enemies that her sympathy for the old religion was dangerous to Henry's "cause" as it were after all, we have just seen him warning her off.

[LNor19]

Well, Jane was the one who gave Henry a son, he tired of Katherine & Anne b/c they didn't. Jane was on top of everything with Edward. And she had no reason to worry, HR would never harm the mother of his beloved son, for that could ruin Edward's rep and risk his legitmacy. Jane would've been fine and possibly a powerful matriarch, especially if she gave birth to more children, and more sons.

[samsagitarias]

erm not really. If he felt that her beliefs were jepodising his sons inherritence , then he would do what was needed. You forget, Henry was easily persueded by his so called advisers who played on his insecurities. To get rid of Jane, wouldnnt have damaged Edwards rep or called into question his legitimacy - in fact, it would have been done to preserve all of that.  And she had already been warned by Henry once, in no uncertain terms, he didnt tire of Katherine Parr, just beleived ill of her.

[LNor19]

Despite Jane being a catholic, she believed her son was the true heir, despite what she felt for Mary. Also, Henry himself was still very much Catholic, the only thing he didn't like was the Pope's authority. Also, Jane learned after the Pilgimage of Grace to keep her beliefs to herself. Also, when Kat gave birth to Prince Henry, HR was described as "Never being so much in love as now" with her, as he was w/ Jane. I just don't see the mother of Edward VI ever discarded, her place was secure.

[samsagitarias]

,Maybe Catherine of Aragon thought the same thing She was offered ,assistance from Spain to back her claims, but even the possible threat of war didnt put off Henry. And you need to remember, around Jane's time Henry wasnt the man he was before.  He was continually beset by doubts, and he would listen to those who had his ear, and you can bet that those parties would act in thier own interests, whilst convincing the King they were his too No one is indespensible. as those before Jane found out

[Kitty273]

Henry's obsession with having a son was so great that I firmly believe he would have never harmed Jane.

She achieved goddess hood when she gave him Edward. He practically worshipped her. Jane kept her mouth shut after he warned her once and said no more. Jane's ability to know when to be quiet and having had a son secured her position for all time. IF she had lived long enough and gave him more sons,it wouldn't have mattered if she said Mass in the center of London.

[samsagitarias]

Maybe - I think that apart from not producing a son, one of Anne Boleyns problems was tht she didnt know when to be quiet - she riled at Henry and was always pushing him. As for Jane being safe, - maybe, its hard to say, as you say Henry wasnt exactly stable and he did tend to listen to those around him, and was so influenced by them, that he would act accordingly - IF Jane had lived, her enemies - and she and her family did have them, may have caused trouble, and Henry MAY have reacted.

[DuttyGyal718]

Probably so. When Henry tired of her of if she didnt die on her own or produce the male heir. He probably would her used her as a Catholic sympathizer/her catholic faith to get rid of her. Oh boy!

[Kitty273]

I agree. Jane could do no wrong. IF she had more sons,he probably would have erected statues of her and ordered her worshipped.

Jane also knew would to be quiet. She knew full well what she ws dealing!

[TheAnnoyingThing1915]

She gave birth to a son and then died but i'm not sure if it was giving birth

[faithoffaith]

wow henry is scary thats not fair whats the point in being queen if you cant have a say and get to do things you think are right.

[Shadeinthedark]

The queen did not have any power, she was not suposed to have any. The king was the ruler, and the queen had only one task, to give bbirth to a male heir.

[Inamourada]

Apparently, this scene isn't that far from what happened in history. Henry VIII did indeed warn Jane off "meddling in his affairs", reminding her of the fates his other wives met.

[DuttyGyal718]

And this is why she dies in the next episode. Dammit Henry, this is all your fault!

[itzmeleah]

I would have probably peed the bed in a fright!

[Emileeh22]

Me too!!

[Kitty273]

LMAO!

I would have too,that or fainted.Dealing with a man like King Henry,probably both.

[NocturneViolin]

He always loved his " last wife" more than the others and he didn't remember when he grow up with Katherine or when he fight for Anne....

[JuzTudor70AD]

Man.... Henry is very determined not to let himself be influenced by any woman...

[tiadejo]

aparte del fantasma de kat howard in hampton court lei que alguien deja flores en la torre de londres el dia de la ejecucion de anne bolena es cierto?mas pena me da jane grey que no tenia nada que ver con henry!

[Kitty273]

This is Jane's strength right here. She had enough sense to stroke his ego and know when to back down.She knew she was dealing with a lunatic and acted accordingly.

[Spherical07]

"She knew she was dealing with a lunatic and acted accordingly." LOL!! Truer words were never spoken.

[Kitty273]

Ha!

People always call her a doormat and asskisser while calling AB spirited.

Better an asskisser with your head than spirited and dead.King Henry was crazy as hell!

[E123Tudor]

Ohh I agree, she was no "asskisser". After AB's death she had the sense to know when to be quiet and when not to. If AB was in her place I can bet you she would have done the same.

[Budaphly]

i agree. she was no dumbass about how to survive. I mean yeah she had no education, but what's the use of education when your the wife of a queen.

[CatherineSuffolk]

YOu mean King :)

[AmethystEyes]

wife of a queen? :P

[Budaphly]

hehe silly me :P

[uglyduckling89]

@Budaphly oh my god, so many problems with that statement. so....if a woman marries let's say a rich man, why would she need an education? every reason!

[Budaphly]

@uglyduckling89

Uhm, I was talking about times BEFORE the 20th century. An educated woman was frowned upon back then by a majority of society. The only way she could really make a good living was through a husband, and a wealthy husband if she was lucky. Her education back then was useless unless she used her wits VERY slyly in a way that nobody would notice and scold/ignore/punish her for it.