Saint Saëns, Finale From Symphony No. 3 www.thejoyofmusic.org

[TheHappyCooker68]

Fascinating and very nice transcription of the orchestral score to the score for the band.

[zzp1]

Splendid organ. Powerful but quite harmonic.

[gleitma]

The power and the majesty of the pipe organ!

[Maliginobserver]

playd with soul

[eiaenhorn]

It doesn't get better than this!

[Antzlu]

Powerful.

[kasha1932]

POWER! DRAMA! Marvelous SOUND,ORGAN! SYMPHONIC BAND ! WOW! I do love the Symphonic Band version of this with the very fine artistry of Miss Bish. This so exciting for me to hear. Yes, I was an instrumental music teacher in elementary school, and played in Symphony Orchhestra and Symphonic Band as well. I enjoyed playing in the band a bit more than with the orchestra,,,more brass and more excitement for me (humble opinion)....The ending is soooooo GRAND!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

[HighROCOCOlings]

Very frendly hospitality harmony is surly major great playing on

brilliant higher space up warmy winds, I thinl so.

I felt comfortable very much as elegant harmony.

Okrahoma, & superior other rose were given to USA superior and golden safty keepers with higher pure justice holders.Maybe they are listen with me .

Very heartful and joyful harmony are wonderful like saint composer phlisophy, Final are excellent!

[HighROCOCOlings]

Every time , I have to say wonderful! beautiful!

shinig pure pure majostic higher morble good harmony , I like this VTR and orchestra stage.

If you can much higher and lower on pure egegant legart ines in short phrases,whole traditional grand elegant accent is very beautiful.

Saint name composer is higher court supecial music ith brilliant shinig on

pure higher mind and playing , I think so.

Total impression is fame on grand wider as medal giving playing for him is n't it?

[tarantellaonline]

Absolute organ and windband power display.

[jazzkeyboardman]

The trumpeter at 1:26 looks amazingly like Stephen King lol

[crystalbeachflorida]

When i attended a concert a few years ago, this organs computer went Kaput and we had to wait for about an hour b4 it restarted. I sat down for a pix at the console and everyone (with their little minds) became excited and confused. They thought I would ruin their organ. Ah, the wonder of little minds. I guess i ruined their day. TOOOOO BAD>

[Octavin2]

wonderful! *****

[organboi69]

I'll take a symphonic band any day over an orchestra!

[nDNrMatt2]

OMG!!! That ending is the most epic thing I've ever heard. I've heard this symphony done a million times, but this is probably the best interpretation ever!!!! The power of the piece seems to come out more from a wind and brass band than a full orchestra. And I love how broad and slow it was at the end. I swear, I had the most powerful eargasm when I heard this.

[thetriumpharch]

@letmetell type in saint saens at saint ouen... that is how it is meant to be... not to say that the organ at saint ouen is less than half the size os this one and far more impressive... it is not all about quantity, more on quality... but in the usa quantity mostly overcomes quality... in the usa size does matter... but all in all this is an interesting interpretation :)

[PCplays99]

Diane Bish is an extraordinary musical talent and what's more she's a very nice lady.

[godzilloid]

she plays it the way it was meant to be played. i've heard so many wimpy organs do this. frustrating.

[christianvs1]

Not many notes for the organ or passage work...... BUT, really effective! In addtion to which, this shows how much Saint-Seans understood both genres, Organ and Orchestra..... .Really lovely thanks. (One could actually see Ms Bish counting.....humbling really.)

[PineyWhitepine]

breathtaking!

I love it !

[acoustics101]

Wow!

[Futureman34]

The most expensive C chord ever is at the beginning of the piece.

[bertie7744]

Fantastic!! Thanks to the boys in uniform.

[naterc93]

I like thie piece a lot! It's great, the performance is also very great, but there is one 2nd trumpet that doesn't seem to understand that he isn't the main melody, whenever he or she plays you can here it. He's blasting that trumpet. Other than that is is a very good performance.

[Cmac1528]

@naterc93 YES! Other than that sticking out quite so much, a great performance, if a hair fast for 'Maestoso'.

[SnoozeButton57]

Thank God for our wondrous organs. Life is sublime!

[MANTLEBERG]

What ive never understood about this work is that it gets lost, the orininal theme is discarded?? i wish somone would re write this hanging on to the...tempa-fuga, it starts with, it becomes tedious, and seems to die, has anyone else noticed this?, or have i missed the point.

[piperlaurae]

It's the organ lady!

[JSBACH1685to1750]

Diane Bish is great, and I have always looked up to her. She is a mighty and great woman! :)

[bremick]

This gave me goosebumps.. Always have loved this piece

[RogueHarry]

Bravo, c'est différent et toujours agréable à entendre.

[stringer1ful]

Awesome!!!!

[salentinothebest]

bellissima esecuzione.......il suono dell' organooo e stupendooo...!!!!!

[TheWelshwizardbyron]

really fantasic.the playing of diane`s just increadable. To get the organ and orchestra to balance so well.As you said she is loving playing the instrument,and giving herself to the music. I have heard so much about her in the USA. Its all true a brilliant artiste.

[CCurlysang]

omg this is the theme from Babe the pig!!! I've been looking for this song for forever and this sounds amazing. It's true what's been previously said, this organ really does add foundation and regality to this piece.

[Hunhaar]

all the guys in uniforms are supressed by a strange lady in wierd cloths and a huge organ...

[ehta01]

@Hunhaar  I've always heard the term "spittake" but never actually experienced it until I read your comment :)

[ehta01]

That's the idea, babe.....

[Optimist1046]

That was a really lame way of ending it. 

[oracle2world]

What happened to the two pianos?

[nDNrMatt2]

@oracle2world I think the clarinets filled in that part.

[hotwok19]

For any organist then, surely, Saint-Saens "Maestoso" is the best & most joyous piece of music ever composed for that particular musical instrument. I never tire of listening to it occasionally, & i doubt if if any organist would ever tire of playing it.

[TGAnello1951]

Wow! This is a fabulous arrangement of a glorious composition. You can't beat the sound of the West Point Military Band - it is just spectacular! It almost makes me want to get married again so I could use this piece as I walked down the aisle of a beautiful cathedral setting. Wonderful! I keep playing it over and over again!

[tyrelroo]

One hell of a performance of one hell of an arrangement. I didn't even miss the orchestra!

...until 6:30 to the end.

The clarinets, out of necessity, have to play about half of what is written; that is, the strings play about twice as many notes (most of them repeated) in the same space as what the clarinets play here. The tension just *dies*, the stringendo from allegro 2/2 to (supposedly) presto 3/1 just isn't even *there*, and from there to the end.. just another bad band arrangement. :/

[jpstenino]

@tyrelroo as you said "The tension just *dies*" & "from there to the end.. just another bad band arrangement" Thank you for the right on analysis.

[silverstartrucker]

Hate to be a spoil sport but it should be a Symphony Orchestra witb the brilliant organ...

[lkhansen10]

Like Virgil Fox said at one of his concerts, if you haven't heard a real pipe organ, move back!

[jflaviovidal]

W h a t a performance!!!!!!!!

All on winds. I thing that Mr Saint Saens shoud aprove this adaptation, disregarding strings. Not even the author coud have made better.

God bless the human ability to create great moments like this.

As per Dr. Poon below, PIPE ORGANS FOREVER.

[KE5RHD]

As usual this is one of the best audio engineered organ recordings on this piece.

[artmania1990]

thats the most epic organ ive ever seen

[goodchappy]

I can never get enough of pipe organs!

[cantalcantal]

Well done. Décoiffant !

[dlutrumpet]

this song is in the movie Babe

[JohnLRice]

Hey, great version!

[niholo]

From one of the best movies: How To Get Ahead In Advertising

[AmandaCaines]

my nephew Stuart who is british,, has just been inducted into the USAF - he was brought up in the US. My brother has mailed me to tell me they played this (not this version) at the ceremony..... I cant think of a better piece of music to play at such a ceremony..... we had hoped being that my nephew is a mathematician, he may have done something else...... but it's his choice - he is after all a grown up

[theremin137]

St. Saëns' op. 78 is without a doubt my favorite orchestral work of all. And this is a thrilling and stunning performance of it.

Was the entire symphony recorded in this performance? If so, is the rest of it available (especially the heart-tugging Adagio that concludes the first movement)?

Thanks so much for posting this.

[orgelitis]

cool version! great!

[fdh1004]

Very good orchestration. I would never have thought this piece would sounds as well as it does without strings.

[DrPoon]

Amazing. You hear so much out of the orchestra then the Organ comes in. Its sound is so monstrous that you barely recognize any other sound.

Pipe organs forever!

[busta4u]

Royal Music indeed

[jennaofthecuckooclan]

I wish I was there

[curlyjim2550]

That's what I like about Ms Bish, she may have played this piece a thousand times but she always looks like she's enjoying every second to the full, dammed fine organist too.

[PooKneader]

Hey, this is in Babe! I loved that movie!

[theremin137]

Yes, you're quite right. The St.-Saëns Organ Symphony was used (without the organ) in the musical score for Babe, not only this (the final) movement, but also the tender, soaring Adagio from the first movement.

[yamaho5]

Nice try, but not equal to an orchestra. Sorry organ lady.

[poopingeneral]

That was epic!

[Brammetjuh6]

haha, the organ woman!

[1401JSC]

I'm sure Bach had no trouble in preparing a weekly cantata, more solos than chorus, when he had daily rehearsals with the boys and young men who were old choristers with the addition of intelligent university students. As for the orchestra, the Collegium Musicum was founded by Telemann in 1702 and Bach inherited this competent ensemble.

Have you ever prepared and conducted a Cantata during morning service? I have; several times.Tthankfully modern sermons are not as long as in Bach's day.

[1401JSC]

The 404a & 405 studies helped Mozart to formulate the finale of his K387 G major quartet. Then, later, the counterpoint of the Great C minor Mass (unfinished).

Why did JSB play Buxtehude's music?

- To learn from it

- Because it was standard North german repertoire

- To honour the old man when he visited him

"DB "I thought the art of organ playing would die with me" - appreciation of an Wasserflûßen Babylon with double pedal (imitation of a DB work). JSB applied to succeed DB in Lübeck.

[1401JSC]

Bach as a boy transcribed works by his elders and betters. So did I. So did my students. Not only a hommage, it's also a good way to grasp the writing from the inside rather than from rules.

404a & 405 are "adaptations" and "additions" to JSB and WFB's fugues.

WAM wrote adagio intros for string trio. These remain studies however, because WAM writes in a modern way.

Bach's own sons (CPE, WF, JC) did not play their father's works, but their own, written in Gallant, Preclassical Empfindsamkeit.

[56Packman]

Give me the Jongen any day. This is just OK.

[1401JSC]

Fan of Munch/Boston, and no automatic fan of all Bish does, I'm pretty convinced by this arrangement.

Kinda miss the harp & piano (although clarinet arpeggios try their best to imitate).

Are the chords right at 3:30?

Very odd tempo change at 7:00 .

Great triplet 1/2 notes in the basses.

Symphony orchetras mange crescendos and diminuendos better than this wind band.

Yeah, for more passion please.

[LJBSasha]

There is no harp in the original version (IIRC). It's piano 4-hands. Either way, I agree, this is quite a good arrangement indeed, very well played (and yours truly is no Bish fan at all!!). The next thing to do is to bring in a great 1st-class full-orchestra into this chapel and record this piece with this very pipe-organ. Since the acoustics don't seem that over-reverberant, I'll dare say that this would be an ideal place for both organ and orchestra in any recordings of such repertoire!!

[Bickendan]

Score calls for piano 4 hands in the second half of the second movement (the 'Babe theme'). First half only calls for two hands.

The recording I have and am very partial to is the James Levine/Berliner Philharmoniker.

I'm also in the process of making a proper wind orchestra (with saxes and full clarinet section) of the entire symphony, because this transcription is just lacking that true wind feel for me.

[LJBSasha]

Regarding the piano-part: you're quite right.  Mea culpa... Otherwise, my apologies: yours truly is not a saxophone-fan. Relative to THEM, I'll take the strings any day or night, all 366 days of any given year!!! [Obviously, that's a matter of taste...]

[Bickendan]

There is a marked difference in tone and sound of a classical and jazz saxophone. I find the classical sound much softer and better blending than the up front hot jazz sound.

[glevantino]

Just went to a great performance of this piece... organ and orchestra is truly a great combination.

[LJBSasha]

I truly wish there was a lot more repertoire that would feature a grand-organ pitted against a full-orchestra. [Much as the Poulenc and Hindemith concerti might be good, they still leave part of the orchestra out and therefore aren't as satisfying. Poulenc leaves out the winds, while Hindemith drops the strings...]

[1401JSC]

Do you know Hindemith (1963) Co Org + Orchestra Dupré Op 31 Barber Toccata Festiva Jean Guillou Op 7 10 31 62 68 70 Thierru Escaich (1995) Daniel Gawthrop (2004) Stephen Paulus 2 Concerti Yuri Kasparov Obelisk Malcolm Williamson 1961 Joseph Rheinberger (not sure about orchestration) Flor Peeters

[LJBSasha]

The Hindemith concerto is mentioned in my list earlier. Otherwise, Jean Guillou, Thierry Escaich, Daniel Gawthrop, Júriy Kásparov, Malcolm Williamson and Stephen Paulus all seem too recent to have been making much of an impact (and if they were really successful to boot, why aren't they household names??); Marcel Dupré, Flor Peeters and Joseph Rheinberger are not even 2nd-rate (let alone 1st!) composers - if it weren't for their dealing with the organ, they'd have been forgotten long ago!!!!

[LJBSasha]

Thus, of your list it seems that only Samuel Barber's "Toccata Festiva" plus Aaron Copland's Organ Concerto seem likely to have any impact whatsoever (Paul Hindemith's Organ Concerto was apparently written when he was old and having already lost his inspiration) - and whether they last long is very much open to question, alas!!! [The prognosis after 50 years or so does not look good...] Sorry to be so negative; however, when judging by the standard of other concerti, what can one say?

[1401JSC]

If composers "lose their inspiration" at 60we'd better say goodbye to several masterworks of Bach, Haydn, Brahms etc!

I'm so pleased you have heard/analysed/played these concertos to be so sure of your opinion.

the fact that the Grieg piano concerto is so popular has something to do with the number of times it has been played as well as a certain "easy listening" aspect. that is not to say that it's a great work!

What are the parameters of the "standard" of a concerto? Stange terminology.

[LJBSasha]

I may not know those works PERSONALLY; however, it is said that Hindemith DID lose his inspiration towards the end of his life - unlike Bach, Brahms, etc.!!! As to Dupré, I can testify given how it's pretty well only organists who play him (as with Rheinberger and Guillou!!!). [The test of a composer's greatness is: how often does his music get performed, especially after 50 years post-death? As to concerto-standards, that means when compared with piano-, violin-, 'cello-concerti, etc.]

[1401JSC]

Ridiculous!

Bach's style was so old-fashioned in 1750 that nobody played his works! 50 years later he'd been forgotten.

according to your theory, he can't have been a great composer.

Have you statistics for the frequency of performances of Organ concertos?

I suppose there are not as many symphonic/romantic/concert organs as there are Steinway pianos, and you certainly can't carry an organ from concerthall to concerthall as you would a violin or violoncello.

[LJBSasha]

1) I'll put it this way: the standards we nowadays have for greatness can be said to have come into existence sometime in the 19th century - ever since then, it has been used.

2) It was generally not until 1750 and later that people started to seriously sing and play other people's music - and that in itself was small-scale compared to our standards until by about 1815.

3) To boot, the myth about JS Bach's being forgotten has been well debunked by now. Otherwise, why did Beethoven say

[LJBSasha]

that Bach's name (meaning "brook" in German) should have been "Meer" ("sea" in German)? Why did Mozart transcribe some of the pieces of "Das Wohl-temperierte Clavier" for strings (frequently string trio). Who influenced him in the 1780s into becoming more polyphonic as well as mature?? Yes, it was no less than JS Bach!!!!

No, I don't have stats for performances of Organ-concerti; however, one does have stats for how often their composers appear on non-organ programmes! Furthermore, when

[LJBSasha]

famous organists are advertised as appearing with orchestras, what do they play? The Saint-Saëns 3rd symphony, the Poulenc Organ Concerto and - less frequently - the Jongen "Sinfonia-Concertante"!!! Like it or not, that's what I've seen - for example - with the Toronto Symphony. Furthermore, where pipe-organs aren't present, electronics are used not all that rarely for such literature.

To finish off, I intended the 50-year figure to be considered as a MINIMUM - when a composer comes on

[LJBSasha]

the scene after that figure (even if dead after a while, as happened - for example - with Schubert!) AND continues to last at least 50 years after that kind of late (even posthumous) launch, then one can be sure there's a reasonable chance of the figure being actually great.

Finally, let's face it: the organ still suffers in the West from the stigma of being thought of as a church, not concert, instrument!! Although things are better than earlier, more work is still needed!!!

[1401JSC]

Beethoven "is reported to have said"... on what occasion?

What are the Köchel numbers of Mozart's transcriptions?

The Baron von Swieten had some of Bach's music played in Freemason circles, not public performances.

> sing and play other people's music!

So there were no performances of operas before 1750, eh?

Bach never played Buxtehude in public?

Only Dufay sang his masses and plainsong was forbidden to all but the originator?

I do hope you don't teach music history & esthetics ;p

[LJBSasha]

In the case of opera and church services, the singers and instrumentalists were HIRED to play the composer's music for specific occasions - they were not performing the music of their own volition in terms of putting things on programmes out of any other reason, compared to today! Also, the odds, alas, are indeed that Bach didn't play Buxtehude in public; furthermore, that his Leipzig successor Doles kept his master's music in the active library was a departure from tradition (Bach didn't do

[LJBSasha]

Kühnau the same favour, nor likely did Kühnau as much with HIS predecessor!).

As to the Köchel references, I'll be getting back before too long; however, by the way you're mentioning von Swieten, ït would seem that you'd be prepared to deny his helping Haydn with the libretti for "The Creation" and "The Seasons"!!!

You're simply being childish because your beloved French 3rd-rate organist-composers are being criticised as they deserve (why should organ literature be critiqued any

[LJBSasha]

differently from music for piano, violin, voice, etc.?). You're part of a minority that, sadly, can't see the forest due to focussing on the individual trees!  Then, when somebody calls you upon it, you resort to 'ad hominem' insults!! [It was no less than Schweitzer that wrote about Beethoven having that laudatory remark for Bach!!]

[1401JSC]

Schweitzer is not an eye-witness to Beehoven's life.

A said that B said that C said is not a sound reference.

This is the sort of hearsay that Wikipedia often likes to spread.

"Minority": have you statistics on that?

[LJBSasha]

Why would Schweitzer have that quote in his 2-volume biography and analysis of Bach's works if it weren't factually documented? Do you want the exact page-reference from the Schweitzer biography, or are you simply out to win at all costs (where the end justifies any and all means)??

If the latter applies to you, nothing will pacify you as that's a tactic favoured by totalitarians like Communists and Nazis - with whom one can't argue rationally...

[LJBSasha]

Bear in mind that I'm NOT on a university campus where yours truly could be sure of that the following Köchel-numbers are indeed in correspondence with what he understands to be the case; however, 404a and 405 seem to be the numbers you're after.

[1401JSC]

Thanks. I'm in a village 100 km away from the nearest university music department, but I think my personal library is quite good (if somewhay dated) :)

1782 Von Swieten organises musical séances for a cose circle. Mozart discovers Bach and finds that Rondo is "archaique" in comparison to the baroque ritornello! that melody and harmony pale in comparison to baroque counterpoint. He even transcribed a Froberger (1616-67) fugue...pretty dry stuff!

[LJBSasha]

Behold an oxymoron: you ask later "Bach never played Buxtehude in public?", whereas here you state "nobody played his [JS.Bach's] works!" If nobody played JSB's music in 1750, why would he play Buxtehude's music around 1707 (the year of Buxtehude's death)? Court bands and singers performed what official court composers wrote for the most part (and the same for church music-organizations) - if it were otherwise, why did JSB have to toil every week upon a cantata in Leipzig??

[1401JSC]

Maybe paradoxal, though I doubt it, but neither oxymoron nor dichotomy!

Toil? it was in his contract and he didn't have to pay a professional copyist with a musical wife and children to hand. :)

[LJBSasha]

Still, it's toil - regardless - to have to find the musical inspiration to work out appropriate choir and soioist (and sometimes also purely-instrumental) movements and finding appropriate libretti for all those cantatas, having to ensure one every week was ready!!!

Mind you, that contract he signed with Leipzig was a very shabby one - mirroring the grim fact that he was merely their third choice!!! [Telemann wasn't so interested, while Graupner's employer wasn't willing to part with him!]

[1401JSC]

Bach accumulated several responsable paid posts which made life more comfortable than at Côthen. His move helped him to overcome the chagrin of losing his first wife. Leipzig was an important town and Schein and Kuhnau were important predecessors. When you enter a competition, you only think about your own performance. Being appointed was the only important thing.

He didn't have to compose a weekly cantata, but to perform one.

[LJBSasha]

Well, thank you very much indeed!! I'm very glad that burden wasn't as heavy as I feared. Still, the fact that he found himself recycling several movements to be used either in other cantatas - or at least in other works! - seems to indicate that even then it was harder than might have been desireable. To boot, even having to perform a cantata every week would be bad enough in terms of worrying which instrumentalists could be counted on + wondering if your singers can handle it.

[1401JSC]

You're welcome.

As a boy in a cathedral choir, we had 4 rehearsals a week (4 1/4 hours in all) to prepare four sung services: Mattins, two Evensongs and a Mass.

The repertoire of Psalms, Responses, Canticles, Motets, Anthems and Services was very large and was in a biennial rotation.

[tactilex]

ok, ok, maybe "jazz" is pushing it. But don't you long for a recording of this that just rocks the house and where the huge organ just slaps the orchestra around? This organ could have done that, I'm sure.

[tactilex]

What an interesting recording! Bickendan is absolutely right bout the need for more passion, and I'd say, joyful abandon. But, on the other hand, with the tempo and the wind ensemble, I heard things that I have never noticed before in this piece. I love the precision. It lets the counterpoint shine. If only that could have been combined with the "jazz" quality that this piece has, it would have been a platinum record.

[russell2550]

I like all versions of this song including the one done by the Philadelphia under the direction of the late maestro Eugene Ormandy and Organ. Plus the one done with Munch and the Boston Symphony.

[Darth13ane]

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[SordidMan]

BISH RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clarinet16]

winds can play like strings

[JLGARCIAII]

Wow, what a huge sound!

[AndyRuesch]

Heard this great track in the movie "babe" for the first time, since then, i love this part of the No.3

[lmyshkin]

Same here. They put words to it in the movie, didn't they?

[davlber]

Hooray Diane! Not a complicated organ part but very impressive sound!

[WeHoFur]

Barenboim with the Chicago Symphony, Gaston Laitaze (sp?) I feel is the definitave work

[bobareebop]

I grew up with the Zubin Mehta/LA Phil Phil recording from the '60's, recorded at Royce Hall, UCLA. An organ in the Romantic school, perhaps lacking a bit of sass, not bright enough. The orchestra is superb, and Mehta takes very fast tempos.

[willowthebored]

I've never heard it set for wind ensemble before, this is a nice recording with a lot of clarity. Maybe it's me, but I can't hear the mixtures well enough, they're not quite as loud as I'd like, but I guess that's just personal taste. That is a LOVELY bright reed she's got going in the pedal-some kind of Contre Trompette?

[Bickendan]

I like the technical perfection, but I'd prefer much more passion, both in the conducting and in the playing itself. Also, the lack of saxophones and expanded clarinet section in the transcription is disappointing.

[LJBSasha]

Add Wagner Tubas - once you get to know their tone (cross between true tubas and French-horns with the agility of cornets, played by Horn players using conical Horn mouthpieces), you'll not hesitate to welcome them in (they're even a nicer sound than having Trumpet/Trombone-type regular tubas throughout!!). Otherwise, better yet, get some great orchestra in there (e.g. CSO, BSO, NYPO - or, better yet, the Berlin or Vienna Philharmonic!!) and do proper performances & recordings of this music!!!

[Urbie4]

Way to crank it! There's no topping the Munch/Zamkochian record -- an impossibly high standard. But I like the clarity in this performance, with the wind ensemble -- nice work!

[praisethelord333]

it sounds a littel bit to military on trompet and horn and not romantic enaugh but after all very good played and very good musicers.

[LJBSasha]

Actually, it could have been considerably worse - for what it is, this is a very good transcription; furthermore, it does give that Möller monster-organ a chance to shine in that movement given who Diane Bish happens to be (rather shallow relative to her repertoire selections...).

[octavebasse8]

I'd hate to be the person who has to move that console! Excelent!

[bombarde1701]

wow the big Moller packs quite a punch!

[YKW2]

It does. I can't begin to imagine how one goes about managing an instrument of that size

[jbuckIey]

That's what she said.

[Churchboy511]

Beautiful!