We are wasting over trillion dollars, american soldiers and other lives, a year as well being overseas! How about we close down those 700+ bases overseas and bring home the thousands of troops that are overseas? That makes sense to me.
I agree on the interstate commerce clause, how do we get the courts to just read it clearly and apply the actual meaning? This is a flaw with the constitution, the courts can just make up any BS interpretation of the language that any 12th grader can see is incorrect and we have to live with it. How can they ignore the federalist papers and pretend that the definition of 'interstate commerce' is somehow mutable?
Fact: the existing health care system is unsustainable. If the current system should be abolished, go tell Grandma that you are going to have your rep vote it out of our government. Right, it won't happen. Why doesn't congress vote to get rid of our existing govt health care (and wasn't done by any repbulicans either)? It is because the PEOPLE want it. Get a clue.
Just another debt to add to the already staggering sum we already have!~We are forced to swallow this obama-debacle! Let the unemployed bums and welfare suckers clean the roads for their give-away checks! This country will die if this give away and unlimited money-printing doesn't end!
@BenkaiDebussy There are jobs out there, not the 100,00-$150,000 range, but workable livable jobs, if you will take them. Hospitals, Food stores, phone co.'s, even part time work!! It's going to get worse, so grab a job now while you can!And, "buddy", I've DONE it all, janitor, when I was 19, supporting my mother, retail store, fireman and hospital work. Nov., the tide will turn and REAL CHANGE!
@450984 I have a really cushy job working as a programmer in a university's biology department. My good fortune is one of the biggest reason that I believe in having programs like welfare. The main reason I have this job is because I'm lucky. I was born into a middle class family and born with the ability to get a scholarship without working hard. I know many people who worked harder than me and don't have jobs. In my experience, there isn't a strong relationship between hard work and success.
@BenkaiDebussy Your perspective might be effected by the government funding that your institution is dependent on if it is going to survive against more fundamentally state run institutions. Even the Ivy grows in this artificial soil. Your job is cushier than a free market equivilent because the guy who is working harder in that arena is being taxed in part for you to live off his effort.
@356pla Someone working my job in the private sector would also be making about double what I am :)
Researchers in the private and public sectors work just as hard (and postdocs probably harder); unlike other jobs, almost everyone who works in the sciences enjoys what they're doing and doesn't really need the extra incentive. It really comes down to which specific field you want to research and where you can do it.
@BenkaiDebussy You seem pleased with the notion that others are taxed to support you and your family.
I worked in the public sector for near thirty years and with mostly pretty macho guys. Not many of them would have had your kind of balls and brass to brag about the unearned advantages they enjoy. But then, you're in an institution of higher learning. I guess you know better.
@356pla Experienced public sector work usually pays far less, while "lower level" jobs have better conditions and higher pay. Private industry heavily benefits from publicly funded research. They also fund much university research directly. The private sector won't do a lot of necessary work.
Public employees aren't to blame for poorer private sector conditions. Corporate executives are more than happy to have lower rung employees blame the public sector for having basic benefits.
@BenkaiDebussy There is legitimate scope for government. The former funding formula for higher education provided a superior standard of excellence than does a servant of two masters. The hand rests lightly on the mind. You remain comfortable in the thought you are in control. You delude yourself. The men with the clubs now rule you, and through you, blue collar me.
Our shared evolution from a shared past of enlightened civilization toward a freer future is my preferred path.
@BenkaiDebussy Here in Canada great swaths of the public sector have never enjoyed a better mix of hours, cash & benefits, and are fighting to solidify the obligations of the outsiders to ensure they get the best available come all circumstance. I retired a year & a half early and I can hardly tell from when I was doing forty hours a week. And I' m all indexed to boot. Thanks private sector, and politicians et all standing between me, my victim, and the gun.
@BenkaiDebussy You say we 'lower rung' types have been made dupes. It's not the fault of the better people in the science departments of the government labs. They share no responsibility. Thanks for straightening me out.
@356pla No - people all over the job spectrum think this sort of thing. It's just the lower/middle classes that get fucked over the most. Hell, MORE wealthy people push this view, since it directly benefits them (I went to NYU Stern, a business school with many super-wealthy kids, with around ~50% of this mindset and the rest (including myself at the time) apathetic).
I don't know where you're getting elitism out of any of this. I make 30k a year and will probably be paying loans until I'm 35.
@BenkaiDebussy You leave me with the distinct impression of a person with a rather elitist attitude. Yes. I believe your sense of confidence is at least in part unearned by you or those of your general 'class'. As I suggested above, I believe that people in positions such as that you enjoy, in the majority, are fooling themselves. I acknowledge that we, if you get through the pensionable portion of your entitlement before the scheme goes tits up, might avoid the worst of the system collapse.
@BenkaiDebussy Pick any imposed political ideology from the entire spectrum. In every one, the poorer you are, the farther from the center of power, the worse off you'll be.
@BenkaiDebussy Friend, I know librarians working for the local branch of the public library who would put many an Ivy league professor of Alternate Realities to shame.
@356pla Only in the sense that your life is influenced by things out of your control. I was lucky to find and get my job, after searching for many months. And I enjoy my job and am happy that it gives me good health insurance. Having a good job you enjoy shouldn't be a privilege. Large firms that pay their employees poorly and don't give them health insurance are fucking them over. The cost to small businesses is a good reason of why health insurance shouldn't be private to begin with.
@BenkaiDebussy When the model you are promoting is tried it is unsustainable over a significant length of time because it slows the delivery of the service it is now compelled to provide regardless of external inputs that might indicate a dead load being imposed which will predictably result in system failure without adaptation. That's when it gets unfair.
There are ~5 people for every job. It is impossible for most of the people who are unemployed right now to find work.
There ARE people who are lazy and choose not to work. But there are far more who simply can't find work, and that is far more important. One good way to address this would be nation-wide infrastructure work, which needs to be done, but isn't profitable for the private sector. It would employ millions, who would then put that money directly back into the economy.
health care reform is a 'socialist' policy. if this is what you truly believe, are you giving up medicare when you are eligible? i'm sure i will hear from people who will say..."medicare isn't working out very well". yes, it has it's share of issues but, are you going to take it people? i will be very impressed with those individuals who believe medicare is a socialistic program and WILL NOT take it. that will be truly standing up for your beliefs!!!
@dbce5440 That's not a reasonable expectation. Yuo know full well the distortions created in the market by the long escalating involvement of Medicare and aid mean theres no free market to shop from.
it's scary how stupid these tea party "patriots" are and yet they actually think they understand what the word socialism means. Health care reform bill is NOT socialism. For it to be socialism, the government would have to own the means of production, which it doesn't. Also, "free market" arguments don't apply to health care. I am actually in favor of free market competition, but it cannot exist with health care as well as police, fire cuz the consumer CANNOT shop around for them. turn off fox.
@el3m3ntsk8s Riddle me this genius-how can a government running 2+ trillion dollar per anum deficits seriously propose another trillion dollar entitlement? How will this work? All of the rationalizations the government is offering for the cost are tranparently dishonest and just patently unrealistic. A textbook definition of socialism has nothing to do with the issue, it's a perfect and typical straw man argument.
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merbaughandgrowfat you're totally missing the point.. if you had even an obtuse understanding of the constitution you'd know how illegal this bill is..
merbaughandgrowfat you're totally missing the point.. if you had even and obtuse understanding of the constitution you'd know how illegal this bill is..
also why this bill will go past the Supreme Court by a split vote. That the Supreme Court is a liberal and a supporter of bigger government. The Health Care bill will be passed into law and supported by the Supreme Court.
Federalized, student loans, health care, in the works to federalize 401k's, pension plans, private/local banking mortgages, anything the deals with loans to prop up the Dollar, and keep down gold prices and oil prices. This is not sustainable over the long haul.
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Wow!! This guy is lame! HERE IS A FACT: INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SOCIALIST!! Well a large group of people pay into it, but only a small group in need uses it. IF THE GOVERNMENT RUNS IT THEN THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY. Unlike the greed that has exploded in recent decades.
Until recently, having insurance was optional. Freely choosing to pool risk has nothing to do with Socialism.
90% of all hospitals are already controlled by the government. So the cost increases happened under the government's watch. But you somehow think more government control will bring prices down. Get real!
What fantasy land do you live in where you think the government holds itself accountable for anything?
Just found out in the news today that when the fascist mandate takes effect insurance premiums are supposed to rise 17 percent for people like me in their twenties. So not only am I forced to buy this product now but it will be more expensive then it was before. Way to go to the shit heads in power that voted for this garbage.
Just hush ok. You know I remember a gentleman who thought exactly the same way you do. He was adamendent that healthcare reform was wrong. He does not think that way now because now he is being scrwed by his Insurance company. The bottome line is you';ll be against healthcare reform until you actually need it.
I am a healthcare reform advocate, and I am a volunteer for Dr Patch Adam's Gesundheit Instute who takes out the profit out of greedy health care care providers.
Also, how would the Supreme Court explain its own decisions? They have given broad power to the federal government using the commerce clause. If the Supreme Court decided to change its mind, how could they explain it? Hundreds of federal laws could potentially be challenged and there would be a lot of uncertainty. The stock market would drop like a rock and the economy would tank again. Some people would die because they would lose medicare and medicaid. Some hospitals would close.
If the Supreme Court changed its own position by flip-flopping and decided that the federal government could no longer legislate in health care, then they would have to invalidate medicare, medicaid, etc. Imagine how chaotic it would be? The seniors would no longer have medicare and the poor would no longer have medicaid. Yes, it would save money, but the people would die. It could be your relatives or friends who reply on medicare or medicaid.
Different people interpret the Constitution differently. However, the only interpretation that is enforceable is the interpretation by the Supreme Court. The legal scholars follow the Supreme Court jurisprudence closely, so they know that the Supreme Court is not going to over turn its own rulings anytime soon because it will look inconsistent and many federal laws will be over turned. It will cause social instability and loss of confidence.
@josacape Im still on the fact that you said we should help children only through charity not through force. It is law that we have take care of children. The government forces parents to shelter and nurture them. Im still confused, so you dont want to be forced to help children or you dont want to be forced to do anything by the government? That everything should be done by charity? You are talking about a utopia where people are only capable of doing good.
Can you force me to do something against my will and honestly call it help because it accomplishes your goal not mine? What (L)aw? How can the government do that? Where do they find jurisdiction to do that? Until you understand where, then there is no point discussing that. I think I made myself quite clear, if you're still confuse, well...I'm talking about America, where everyone depended on their neighbors, their churches(charity), their self first than the government.
I think there is more people who do good than the few who do wrong.You think that people must be force to do good because if not then how can society do good.People all the time do good things because they want to,not because they are forced to
"All restraints upon mans natural liberty,not necessary for the simple maintenance of justice,are of the nature of slavery,and differ from each other only in degree"
No man is free who depends on his government for his sustenance,job,home, or hope"
What does Schiff mean by "the tax code has encouraged the excess utilization of insurance; people are paying for healthcare that they should be paying out of pocket"?
If someone could direct me to some hard reading on this, it'd be much appreciated.
u mean to tell me we can afford a 400 billion dollar a YEAR defense budget all paid for with tax money (FREE)!! but we cant use some of that same tax money ( FREE) to cover every American!..the sad thing is that you people are commenting on a game that you have never played , you dont even know how the game is played, who the players are or what the rules are, all you are all doing is Quoting what you have heard on tv or read in a paper as if its all FACT..
Republicans want to repeal a law banning being denied coverage because of pre-exisiting conditions, tax breaks for small businesses, having your children being under your plan under 26 and taking your insurance plan with you when you change jobs.
@watch123456 A. if you have a preexisting condition its not insurance anymore, you can't get in a car crash then buy car insurance and expect them to pay for it without a higher premium B. there shouldn't be tax breaks for anyone, tax breaks encourage more expensive plans which discourage price control C. if your 25 and need your parents to support you you're just pathetic D. health insurance and employment should have nothing to do with each other but democrats are forcing that issue even more
@bearcats54321: It's not about a car crash it's about getting cancer and the next year your insurance company dropping you. So now you have cancer and no Health Insurance.
It's about being born a woman and not being discriminated against as a pre-existing condition.
It's about having a system which benefits all Americans and not just the insurance companies who can drop you if you get sick after taking your money for years.
@watch123456 are you sure, it's not about power, wow all this stuff has been tried years ago, didn't work then? this whole thing could have been fixed without a government takeover do you think the goernment should run and controll all buinesses- banks, auto companys, home morgages, health care, ect. this is not what government was suspose to do listen too all of peter schiff blogs he's right on the money what rush L. is 99.5 percnt right all the time!!!
@MrMitch52: Government takeover is such a Republican talking point it's laughable.
The Government is regulating the market to ensure coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, tax breaks for small businesses and being able to keep your insurance plan when you switch jobs.
@watch123456 I have read the Bill. You clearly have not. I am not going to try and put it all down in this small space. I am going to recommend, for starters you go to this site: w w w . weekly standard . com / blogs / oops - health - care - bill -does - not - cover - kids - pre - existing - conditions
@Kashmir2000is ok i kno im not part of this and fyi i wont reply to whatever u say to this but... thats BULLSHIT that you read that entire 2900 page bill
@hoplite246 I figured you would understand that when I (or others) say, "I read the Bill", it is to say, "I understand enough of the context to have understanding. To read this Bill in its entirety would not provide the majority any greater merits to say they "understand." Most of us are laymen to such language.
CONT. Point is that, this is treason. I should not be forced to buy something I do not want, with penalties if I don't. With all that said, this really isn't about health care. Haven't you figured that much out yet?
Regarding the commerce clause, it should also be noted that the intention of the commerce clause was to foment free trade within and across the states. It has since been used as a basis to make laws regulating commerce that make trade less free rather than more free, which was the intent of the commerce clause.
It would be no less wrong for the states individually to violate the rights of individuals than it is for the federal government to do so.
Castro hailed Obamacare as a miracle and an important battle and a success of (Obamas) government. Castro stated Obamas health care is like the one enacted in Cuba a half century ago. Last year Castro said his countrys spending on health care was simply unsustainable.
@bobjman Schiff as constitutional scholar argues original intent of the commerce clause is subverted by the Supremes over a couple hundred years. I argued then that the original intent of the constitution has been thrown out by the numerous amendments and the numerous rulings by the Supremes. Perhaps he would like to throw all of them out also and we can go back to slavery and voting for land owning white men since that was the original intent of the constitution. : ) S
@bobjman There is a first time for all progress (women voting, civil rights, etc) The issue is can they ask you to buy health insurance? The answer is YES. Why? Because even successive conservative courts have ruled that the feds can control markets where interstate commerce is concerned. Besides, If you dont mind the state telling you to buy car insurance or else go to jail then why do you care if the feds tell you to buy health care? : ) S
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Rupublicans consistently give more to charity than liberals. Your claim that they only care about themselves,is a lie like everything else the progressives say.
I respectfully disagree. Republlicans only care about themselves. Why aren't u people coming to the table with solutions. I'm a healthcare provider and the healthcare companies are destroying healthcare in our country. This gentleman isn't coming to the table with any solutions! He's lying.
Peter. You're so right about so much. "Crash Proof 2.0" has good solid positive advice on surviving the collapse. In this 10 min VB all I heard was that the HC bill is bad and unconstitutional. Do you have a positive idea on healthcare? Or, is it "all for one, and one for all" when we invade medieval non-threatening countries and provide lawyers for accused felons, but "every man for himself" when it comes to HC?
the only concern i have is the advancement of the bill. will it move into the right direction and actually improve the quality of medicare in the us not just taking tax money from middle class and upper class people to help pay the coverages for the lower class and nothing else.
Mr. Shiff, if you see this - I'm intrigued of how you would interpret this quote from Federalist Paper #51.
"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit."
I've always interpreted it to mean pursuit of Societal Justice through Federal government is an abuse of power.
But most other interpretations I've seen, believe it means "Justice is the goal of Government".
The car insurance example doesn't fit. A lack of car insurance can negatively impact someone other than the non-insured in an auto accident. You are not required by law to drive. Insurance is just a condition of driving on a road paid for by tax money.
This is all well and good. It's apparent that the Founding Fathers wanted the U.S. Federal Government to have no more power than the IRS and war machine.
What people are forgetting is that people wrote this piece of paper when we road around on horses. The states have shown themselves further unable to provide for their denizens and, as such, power must be delegated from them.
After this settles down I vote that the Education System be federalized next.
@ichverbot.. It is not the states that cannot provide for their citizens if the "citizens" put those people into power. The people had the power and now fail at electing sound people into any political offices. I blame the people not governments for all meeses we have seen over the last few years both political and social. If you think federalized education will work you are missing the picture. Name one successful federal program/business. Sure is not the post office or social security.
@Rspringscabin The funny thing about this failure known as the "post office" is that I can get a letter sent by me from Florida to California, about 2,000 miles, in 48 hours on a weekday for 50 cents.
I can spend hundreds of dollars on Health Insurance and still not get what I paid for when I get sick. That's the difference.
chhhhh this is a secret, republican thinks only UPS exists and they are happy paying 50$ to send a mail to their friend 100 miles away and you know why ? Because they have good prices on vaseline....
THE 28th Amendment to the Constitution - Amendment 28
Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .
Congress and Obama have their own health plan. It is written into the new health plan and lets them use their own special system and NOT what we have.
One more thing, tort reform solution is a myth. Yes there are costs with liability and lawsuits but they pale in comparison to the costs of treating chronic illnesses. These can be prevented, detected and treated at a FAR LOWER COST to providers and taxparys by regular doctor visits, rather than a bankruptcy visit to the emergency room.
Wow let's put this guy in charge of the Budget! He seems to know what's going to happen in the future and is much more SURE than anyone in either party. How come we haven't heard of this guy before? I'm impressed and I believe we have yet another rebel without a clue!
@smartin807 you must be listening to the wrong airwaves peter has been around for along time he is now running against that slime ball chris dodd (conn.)senate. send him a donation he needs 300.000 in 7days he's the real deal peter shciff for senate!!!!!!!!
Demonrats don't care one iota about the Constitution. They have basically shredded it with this bill. Obaomao said "I don't care about the process" so he is quite clearly trying to give himself dictatorial powers by ignoring the checks and balances built into the founding document. The goal is Islam to ruin America from the inside. With Obaomao, it's happening. Will there be elections in 2012? I have my doubts.
I think it's hilarious that you're comparing Obama, a black man, to Mao, an Asian man. Do you honestly expect us to believe that you put two minority together on coincidence? It obvious you can't stand people of a different racial and economic background. It's obvious you want America like the 1950's, where the overwhelming majority of people were still white. It's obvious that this debate has never been about socialism, but instead racism. It's 2010, change your mentality.
Why are you so obsessed with race? Can you not understand the implication that Mao represents an authoritarian viewpoint? I don't think it's the best comparison myself, but your response is even more ridiculous than comparing Obama to Mao. You also made another unfounded assumption that by comparing Obama to Mao, somehow that person wants a return to the 50's. Where did you learn logic?
You're going to deny that the basis of the tea party "movement" and all modern republicans is the longing to go back to the days of the "Old America?" It's been said many times by many republicans in town hall events and whatnot, you asshat. Don't deny it.
I'm not sure why you're talking about the Tea Party what does that have to do with this video? It's pretty sad you think all Republicans are exactly the same. What do you call it when someone thinks all people of a certain ethnic group are the same?
No matter how you spin it the Uninsured do get hurt and sick and do get treated whether or not they can pay for it out of pocket. So it's the same as Universal Health care, but it only benefits the Uninsured. The rest of the Population that is Insured is already paying for health care and on top of that they're paying for all the State and Federal run programs.
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and it doesn't matter if YOU disagree with the Supreme court. Since, it just shows that these challenges will, in fact be dismissed. Saying we "should tear up the constitution" is pointless and further proves the Bloomberg article.
here's the problem with what you are saying... the healthcare industry has recently has RECORD profits. If these "downloaded" costs are the reason for the increases costs, then explain them this dyscongruency.
And every single Republican this time around refused to repeal Medicare. If fact they were saying that this bill will put Medicare in danger! if it's sooo bad, why is that so?
I don't hear you offering a single solution to an intractable social problem. Running on negatives is easy, jackass, so I have to say I'm less than impressed.
You might want to watch his other videos, he has address this many times. BTW, the best solution is to remove the government(i.e. mandates 20 to 30%, state line restriction, eliminate monopolies etc.)
Ever wonder why the Israel-first neocons over at the AEI were all hush-hush about teh health care bill? It was because they "agreed too much" with what Obama was doing.
What's the big deal? It's basically a tax hike. Really. That's all it is. There's no mandate per se--if you don't buy health insurance, you pay more taxes. And if you can't afford either, you go on Medicaid.
That said, I would've rather seen them repeal the HMO Act that created this whole managed care monstrosity in the first place.
uhh, the "Supreme" clause in the constitution does seem to refute your position. In addition to that, we have had 200 years of constitutional precedence ... Good luck.
You can say you are a Capitalist but wont turn away socialist medicine like Medicare.
As for constitutionality: the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
It's true, once you make a people dependent on a program like MC it's difficult to eliminate it without creating a riot. It should have never been created - but people pay into it and the people want what they payed for even if it's crap. It will never last, it never does.
BTW, you have to come up with a better argument to justified its Constitutionality. You do understand the U.S gov can't violate any other (L)aw within the Constitution?
@josacape If the State of California can issue a law that requires everybody (legal or illegal) that has a car to have car insurance, why cant the Federal Government impose a similar law? Maybe the other stuff in the bill is flawed, but children, regardless of their parent's income or their own health conditions, should have medical care. But it seem to be communism when you take money that goes to Medicare and give it to children who have not health care at all.
Why would we have 'states' if the Fed Gov can over rule them on everything?You forget,the states created the FedGov not the other way around.And our form of Gov is not to have a central Gov that dictates every single aspect of our lives or the states.
People who can't take care of themselves should not be having kids to put on their neighbors shoulders.Now,why can't charity be promoted?Why does it always have to be forced?We voluntarily give to other nations,but we can't do it in ours?
@josacape we live a Democratic Republic. It is a hybrid. This debate has been going on for years. Its called FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for a reason. If the states had more power it would be called a CONFEDERACY. And the States voted for a FEDERAL government because they decided not to have every state be independent.
And that kids statement is ignorant. Regardless if its right or wrong, it happens, and there is nothing we can do about it so might as well help Children. Dont put the blame on them.
@talebi818 you do realize that adding more people to insurance is going to make insurance more expensive. Especially mandating that children be covered by a single premium payment of the parent. Kids will get scrapes on the knee, and go to the doctor on insurance. Imagine if the parent has several kids? This health care bill does nothing to lower costs of health care. In a nutshell, this bill is redistribution of wealth, and Federal government control. It's called economics.
We are a Constitutional Republic by Law, do you understand this? You may have an Opinion that we are a Democracy, still wont make it Lawful. We have democratic elements in our government, but that's it. We have 50 sovereign Republics under our federalism. The Federal Gov has limited delegated powers, all other powers not delegated are reserve to the states or to its people. Do you understand this?
So saying that people who can't take care of themselves to not put responsibilities on other people for their selfish decision to have kids is ignorant? I agree, help the kids, but voluntarily, I assume you wish to be forced? I don't think you can call being forced against your will help, can it?
@josacape Children cannot fend for themselves. Being forced against your will wtf are you talking about? A child cannot make decisions like Health Care, so that is up to "adults" to do it. And helping kids should be voluntary? Are you serious right now? I really hope you are not going to get on Medicare when you become of age because you would just be contradicting yourself. Do you expect children to pay for their own health care?
You say; we need to help the children - I say; yes, voluntarily because making me do something against my will to accomplish your goal is not help, do you understand that? Apparently adults can't either, besides I never said children should fend for themselves or make a decision on HC. And no, MC wont be around when I'm of age, and I wouldn't dream of using it. I expect people to be charitable, Charity is best when it's voluntary, not when it's forced.
@josacape I still cannot get your reasoning on only helping children when it is for charity. I agree that we should never be forced to help a grown ass adult who can take care of themselves but this is not Somalia where children have to kill to get basic necessities. They make no income how are they suppose to get health care? And dont use their parents as an excuse because they cannot afford HC themselves either.
And because it's not Somalia people will voluntarily help them, right? It's OK Not to be force to help adults, but it's OK to be force to help children? It's not HELP if you're forcing me to do something I do not wish to do, how is that so hard to understand? They are supposed to get HC by people who will provide it through charity, good will, and people who will give their time for such causes. Not by forcing, threating, and demanding it of me.That's the surest way to get resentment.
Your mindset is about forcing others to accomplish your goal, my mindset is to convince them to voluntarily accomplish my goal.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number.The latter are surly curmudgeons,suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." -Robert A. Heinlein
@josacape My mindset is to help children. Wouldnt you say agreeing to law that allows all children in America under 18 years old to have health care funded by you an act of charity in it of it self? You would be voting for a congressman that is for free HC for all children funded by you. I understand that forcing people to do something is wrong, im 100% with you on that but is forcing people to do something that is good and right wrong as well? Wouldnt we agree that helping children is right?
Your mindset is to Force people to help, that is not help. If I were to agree with a statute of that nature, I would have to agree on a statute from 18 to 30, from 30 to 42, from 42 to 55, from 55 to 68, from 68 to 80, from 80 to 92 etc. Which I do not, and it would not be a (L)aw but a continuation in the destruction on my Right to my property, life, and the pursuit of. If that is your definition of Charity, well, it is a poor attempt to define it.
Nothing is Free,that includes HC,and it's not my congressman right to give.Your attempt at being benevolent is nothing more than an attempt at being malevolent,tho you may not realize it.You have no other way of helping people if it's not through government force.There have been a lot of governments in history that force people to do good and right things that were wrong.And if it's good and right,then you need no Force to accomplish it.I've have always said we should help the children.
What if a few states decided they wanted to make a treaty with another country, can they? No. Why? Because the states delegated that power to the Feds. What if we had a republican administration and he told Massachusetts that it couldn't have the current healthcare system they have without permission from the FedsGov, can they? And if they can, what's to stop them from removing it when they wish to?
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TonikHealthInsurance 7 months ago
Fox has the most mis-informed viewers in every study.
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356pla 1 year ago
im sure the woman who didnt have to sell her house to afford her skin cancer treatment apposes the obama health care plan too.
landan6551 1 year ago
@landan6551 Emotional propaganda that has no basis in reality because that woman will now be paying more for hospital bills. Nice fail.
itachi705 1 year ago
We are wasting over trillion dollars, american soldiers and other lives, a year as well being overseas! How about we close down those 700+ bases overseas and bring home the thousands of troops that are overseas? That makes sense to me.
bleckmon 1 year ago
I agree on the interstate commerce clause, how do we get the courts to just read it clearly and apply the actual meaning? This is a flaw with the constitution, the courts can just make up any BS interpretation of the language that any 12th grader can see is incorrect and we have to live with it. How can they ignore the federalist papers and pretend that the definition of 'interstate commerce' is somehow mutable?
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
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AMERICANBOREDOOM 1 year ago
Fact: the existing health care system is unsustainable. If the current system should be abolished, go tell Grandma that you are going to have your rep vote it out of our government. Right, it won't happen. Why doesn't congress vote to get rid of our existing govt health care (and wasn't done by any repbulicans either)? It is because the PEOPLE want it. Get a clue.
Ninetyone11 1 year ago
@Ninetyone11 The wanting of a something doesn't make that something right
356pla 1 year ago
@Ninetyone11 If you think it through you'll realize that only a fool or someone completely desperate would want to settle for free healthcare.
How much can you expect free healthcare to be worth?
You don't want free health care to be available.
You want valuable health care to be available.
356pla 1 year ago
Just another debt to add to the already staggering sum we already have!~We are forced to swallow this obama-debacle! Let the unemployed bums and welfare suckers clean the roads for their give-away checks! This country will die if this give away and unlimited money-printing doesn't end!
450984 1 year ago
@450984 Yes, all poor and unemployed people are just lazy bums. Millions of people just decide to become lazy and quit their jobs during recessions.
Don't think you thought this one through buddy.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy There are jobs out there, not the 100,00-$150,000 range, but workable livable jobs, if you will take them. Hospitals, Food stores, phone co.'s, even part time work!! It's going to get worse, so grab a job now while you can!And, "buddy", I've DONE it all, janitor, when I was 19, supporting my mother, retail store, fireman and hospital work. Nov., the tide will turn and REAL CHANGE!
450984 1 year ago
@450984 I have a really cushy job working as a programmer in a university's biology department. My good fortune is one of the biggest reason that I believe in having programs like welfare. The main reason I have this job is because I'm lucky. I was born into a middle class family and born with the ability to get a scholarship without working hard. I know many people who worked harder than me and don't have jobs. In my experience, there isn't a strong relationship between hard work and success.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Your perspective might be effected by the government funding that your institution is dependent on if it is going to survive against more fundamentally state run institutions. Even the Ivy grows in this artificial soil. Your job is cushier than a free market equivilent because the guy who is working harder in that arena is being taxed in part for you to live off his effort.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla Someone working my job in the private sector would also be making about double what I am :)
Researchers in the private and public sectors work just as hard (and postdocs probably harder); unlike other jobs, almost everyone who works in the sciences enjoys what they're doing and doesn't really need the extra incentive. It really comes down to which specific field you want to research and where you can do it.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy You seem pleased with the notion that others are taxed to support you and your family.
I worked in the public sector for near thirty years and with mostly pretty macho guys. Not many of them would have had your kind of balls and brass to brag about the unearned advantages they enjoy. But then, you're in an institution of higher learning. I guess you know better.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla Experienced public sector work usually pays far less, while "lower level" jobs have better conditions and higher pay. Private industry heavily benefits from publicly funded research. They also fund much university research directly. The private sector won't do a lot of necessary work.
Public employees aren't to blame for poorer private sector conditions. Corporate executives are more than happy to have lower rung employees blame the public sector for having basic benefits.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy There is legitimate scope for government. The former funding formula for higher education provided a superior standard of excellence than does a servant of two masters. The hand rests lightly on the mind. You remain comfortable in the thought you are in control. You delude yourself. The men with the clubs now rule you, and through you, blue collar me.
Our shared evolution from a shared past of enlightened civilization toward a freer future is my preferred path.
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Here in Canada great swaths of the public sector have never enjoyed a better mix of hours, cash & benefits, and are fighting to solidify the obligations of the outsiders to ensure they get the best available come all circumstance. I retired a year & a half early and I can hardly tell from when I was doing forty hours a week. And I' m all indexed to boot. Thanks private sector, and politicians et all standing between me, my victim, and the gun.
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy You say we 'lower rung' types have been made dupes. It's not the fault of the better people in the science departments of the government labs. They share no responsibility. Thanks for straightening me out.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla No - people all over the job spectrum think this sort of thing. It's just the lower/middle classes that get fucked over the most. Hell, MORE wealthy people push this view, since it directly benefits them (I went to NYU Stern, a business school with many super-wealthy kids, with around ~50% of this mindset and the rest (including myself at the time) apathetic).
I don't know where you're getting elitism out of any of this. I make 30k a year and will probably be paying loans until I'm 35.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy You leave me with the distinct impression of a person with a rather elitist attitude. Yes. I believe your sense of confidence is at least in part unearned by you or those of your general 'class'. As I suggested above, I believe that people in positions such as that you enjoy, in the majority, are fooling themselves. I acknowledge that we, if you get through the pensionable portion of your entitlement before the scheme goes tits up, might avoid the worst of the system collapse.
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Pick any imposed political ideology from the entire spectrum. In every one, the poorer you are, the farther from the center of power, the worse off you'll be.
A law of Nature?
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Friend, I know librarians working for the local branch of the public library who would put many an Ivy league professor of Alternate Realities to shame.
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy I read your first lines in your last once more.
"My good fortune ..."
Fortune. meaning what happens without the agent being required to act.
He's a mystic or a determinist.
356pla 1 year ago
@356pla Only in the sense that your life is influenced by things out of your control. I was lucky to find and get my job, after searching for many months. And I enjoy my job and am happy that it gives me good health insurance. Having a good job you enjoy shouldn't be a privilege. Large firms that pay their employees poorly and don't give them health insurance are fucking them over. The cost to small businesses is a good reason of why health insurance shouldn't be private to begin with.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy When the model you are promoting is tried it is unsustainable over a significant length of time because it slows the delivery of the service it is now compelled to provide regardless of external inputs that might indicate a dead load being imposed which will predictably result in system failure without adaptation. That's when it gets unfair.
356pla 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy It's better when the governing body doesn't treat people unfairly.
356pla 1 year ago
There are ~5 people for every job. It is impossible for most of the people who are unemployed right now to find work.
There ARE people who are lazy and choose not to work. But there are far more who simply can't find work, and that is far more important. One good way to address this would be nation-wide infrastructure work, which needs to be done, but isn't profitable for the private sector. It would employ millions, who would then put that money directly back into the economy.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Whole separate issue. Diversion.
356pla 1 year ago
health care reform is a 'socialist' policy. if this is what you truly believe, are you giving up medicare when you are eligible? i'm sure i will hear from people who will say..."medicare isn't working out very well". yes, it has it's share of issues but, are you going to take it people? i will be very impressed with those individuals who believe medicare is a socialistic program and WILL NOT take it. that will be truly standing up for your beliefs!!!
dbce5440 1 year ago
@dbce5440 That's not a reasonable expectation. Yuo know full well the distortions created in the market by the long escalating involvement of Medicare and aid mean theres no free market to shop from.
356pla 1 year ago
it's scary how stupid these tea party "patriots" are and yet they actually think they understand what the word socialism means. Health care reform bill is NOT socialism. For it to be socialism, the government would have to own the means of production, which it doesn't. Also, "free market" arguments don't apply to health care. I am actually in favor of free market competition, but it cannot exist with health care as well as police, fire cuz the consumer CANNOT shop around for them. turn off fox.
el3m3ntsk8s 1 year ago
@el3m3ntsk8s Riddle me this genius-how can a government running 2+ trillion dollar per anum deficits seriously propose another trillion dollar entitlement? How will this work? All of the rationalizations the government is offering for the cost are tranparently dishonest and just patently unrealistic. A textbook definition of socialism has nothing to do with the issue, it's a perfect and typical straw man argument.
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merbaughandgrowfat you're totally missing the point.. if you had even an obtuse understanding of the constitution you'd know how illegal this bill is..
WillHappen2027 1 year ago
merbaughandgrowfat you're totally missing the point.. if you had even and obtuse understanding of the constitution you'd know how illegal this bill is..
WillHappen2027 1 year ago
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NoGripRacingGTR2 1 year ago
9:03; "just because they've done a lousy job in the future, they will again?" Do you do these videos off the top of your head?
comblocarms 1 year ago
also why this bill will go past the Supreme Court by a split vote. That the Supreme Court is a liberal and a supporter of bigger government. The Health Care bill will be passed into law and supported by the Supreme Court.
idrobinhood 1 year ago
Federalized, student loans, health care, in the works to federalize 401k's, pension plans, private/local banking mortgages, anything the deals with loans to prop up the Dollar, and keep down gold prices and oil prices. This is not sustainable over the long haul.
idrobinhood 1 year ago
Yes, "the Supreme Court is failing us"--the lame duck club is heavily under the foot/military boot of the White?House.
focus21x 1 year ago
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Wow!! This guy is lame! HERE IS A FACT: INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SOCIALIST!! Well a large group of people pay into it, but only a small group in need uses it. IF THE GOVERNMENT RUNS IT THEN THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY. Unlike the greed that has exploded in recent decades.
LOOKNG778 1 year ago
@LOOKNG778 Who gives a shit if insurance companies are socialist? They are voluntary, you aren't forced to participate... oh... now you are. Woops.
MrLaughandgrowfat 1 year ago 20
@MrLaughandgrowfat ...and you are ok with being forced to pay car insurance?
Ninetyone11 1 year ago
@MrLaughandgrowfat Nice to see someone cut to the root.
356pla 1 year ago
@LOOKNG778
Until recently, having insurance was optional. Freely choosing to pool risk has nothing to do with Socialism.
90% of all hospitals are already controlled by the government. So the cost increases happened under the government's watch. But you somehow think more government control will bring prices down. Get real!
What fantasy land do you live in where you think the government holds itself accountable for anything?
TheRealMikeSmith 1 year ago 3
Just found out in the news today that when the fascist mandate takes effect insurance premiums are supposed to rise 17 percent for people like me in their twenties. So not only am I forced to buy this product now but it will be more expensive then it was before. Way to go to the shit heads in power that voted for this garbage.
remsensor 1 year ago 20
@remsensor
Just hush ok. You know I remember a gentleman who thought exactly the same way you do. He was adamendent that healthcare reform was wrong. He does not think that way now because now he is being scrwed by his Insurance company. The bottome line is you';ll be against healthcare reform until you actually need it.
I am a healthcare reform advocate, and I am a volunteer for Dr Patch Adam's Gesundheit Instute who takes out the profit out of greedy health care care providers.
pluto4847 10 months ago
Its so funny to watch you I love it.
chasse22 1 year ago
Also, how would the Supreme Court explain its own decisions? They have given broad power to the federal government using the commerce clause. If the Supreme Court decided to change its mind, how could they explain it? Hundreds of federal laws could potentially be challenged and there would be a lot of uncertainty. The stock market would drop like a rock and the economy would tank again. Some people would die because they would lose medicare and medicaid. Some hospitals would close.
jam2090 1 year ago
If the Supreme Court changed its own position by flip-flopping and decided that the federal government could no longer legislate in health care, then they would have to invalidate medicare, medicaid, etc. Imagine how chaotic it would be? The seniors would no longer have medicare and the poor would no longer have medicaid. Yes, it would save money, but the people would die. It could be your relatives or friends who reply on medicare or medicaid.
jam2090 1 year ago
Different people interpret the Constitution differently. However, the only interpretation that is enforceable is the interpretation by the Supreme Court. The legal scholars follow the Supreme Court jurisprudence closely, so they know that the Supreme Court is not going to over turn its own rulings anytime soon because it will look inconsistent and many federal laws will be over turned. It will cause social instability and loss of confidence.
jam2090 1 year ago
Communist manifesto is are savior! stop with capitalism love
alen209 1 year ago
@alen209
"is are"
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bryanx0102 1 year ago
@bryanx0102 lol ya dang mobile phone and multi tasking ownt me =[
alen209 1 year ago
@josacape Im still on the fact that you said we should help children only through charity not through force. It is law that we have take care of children. The government forces parents to shelter and nurture them. Im still confused, so you dont want to be forced to help children or you dont want to be forced to do anything by the government? That everything should be done by charity? You are talking about a utopia where people are only capable of doing good.
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818
Can you force me to do something against my will and honestly call it help because it accomplishes your goal not mine? What (L)aw? How can the government do that? Where do they find jurisdiction to do that? Until you understand where, then there is no point discussing that. I think I made myself quite clear, if you're still confuse, well...I'm talking about America, where everyone depended on their neighbors, their churches(charity), their self first than the government.
josacape 1 year ago
@ta
I think there is more people who do good than the few who do wrong.You think that people must be force to do good because if not then how can society do good.People all the time do good things because they want to,not because they are forced to
"All restraints upon mans natural liberty,not necessary for the simple maintenance of justice,are of the nature of slavery,and differ from each other only in degree"
No man is free who depends on his government for his sustenance,job,home, or hope"
josacape 1 year ago
What does Schiff mean by "the tax code has encouraged the excess utilization of insurance; people are paying for healthcare that they should be paying out of pocket"?
If someone could direct me to some hard reading on this, it'd be much appreciated.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
have any of you nice people ever watched "the money masters"? if not, type it in and enjoy
qwezzie 1 year ago
u mean to tell me we can afford a 400 billion dollar a YEAR defense budget all paid for with tax money (FREE)!! but we cant use some of that same tax money ( FREE) to cover every American!..the sad thing is that you people are commenting on a game that you have never played , you dont even know how the game is played, who the players are or what the rules are, all you are all doing is Quoting what you have heard on tv or read in a paper as if its all FACT..
qwezzie 1 year ago
5 stars all the way
Arginine88 1 year ago
Republicans want to repeal a law banning being denied coverage because of pre-exisiting conditions, tax breaks for small businesses, having your children being under your plan under 26 and taking your insurance plan with you when you change jobs.
watch123456 1 year ago
@watch123456 A. if you have a preexisting condition its not insurance anymore, you can't get in a car crash then buy car insurance and expect them to pay for it without a higher premium B. there shouldn't be tax breaks for anyone, tax breaks encourage more expensive plans which discourage price control C. if your 25 and need your parents to support you you're just pathetic D. health insurance and employment should have nothing to do with each other but democrats are forcing that issue even more
bearcats54321 1 year ago
@bearcats54321: It's not about a car crash it's about getting cancer and the next year your insurance company dropping you. So now you have cancer and no Health Insurance.
It's about being born a woman and not being discriminated against as a pre-existing condition.
It's about having a system which benefits all Americans and not just the insurance companies who can drop you if you get sick after taking your money for years.
watch123456 1 year ago
@watch123456 are you sure, it's not about power, wow all this stuff has been tried years ago, didn't work then? this whole thing could have been fixed without a government takeover do you think the goernment should run and controll all buinesses- banks, auto companys, home morgages, health care, ect. this is not what government was suspose to do listen too all of peter schiff blogs he's right on the money what rush L. is 99.5 percnt right all the time!!!
MrMitch52 1 year ago
@MrMitch52: Government takeover is such a Republican talking point it's laughable.
The Government is regulating the market to ensure coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, tax breaks for small businesses and being able to keep your insurance plan when you switch jobs.
watch123456 1 year ago
@watch123456 You're a fucking idiot.
itachi705 1 year ago 2
@watch123456 You have been lied to. You not only believed it then, but even now. What is it going to take for you, a dictator?
Kashmir2000is 1 year ago 2
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@Kashmir2000is Read the bill that passed if you don't believe me. It is now the law of the land.
No more being refused coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Being able to keep your kids on your plan until they're 26
Tax breaks for small businesses and families
Being able to keep your health plan when you change jobs.
Love it.
watch123456 1 year ago
@watch123456 I have read the Bill. You clearly have not. I am not going to try and put it all down in this small space. I am going to recommend, for starters you go to this site: w w w . weekly standard . com / blogs / oops - health - care - bill -does - not - cover - kids - pre - existing - conditions
You need to wake up.
Kashmir2000is 1 year ago
@Kashmir2000is ok i kno im not part of this and fyi i wont reply to whatever u say to this but... thats BULLSHIT that you read that entire 2900 page bill
hoplite246 1 year ago
@hoplite246 I figured you would understand that when I (or others) say, "I read the Bill", it is to say, "I understand enough of the context to have understanding. To read this Bill in its entirety would not provide the majority any greater merits to say they "understand." Most of us are laymen to such language.
Kashmir2000is 1 year ago
CONT. Point is that, this is treason. I should not be forced to buy something I do not want, with penalties if I don't. With all that said, this really isn't about health care. Haven't you figured that much out yet?
Kashmir2000is 1 year ago
and children with pre existing conditions won't be covered - see AP
goo2u 1 year ago
Exactly where did Schiffty Pete the Neocon get his law degree?
AtlasShruggery 1 year ago
Regarding the commerce clause, it should also be noted that the intention of the commerce clause was to foment free trade within and across the states. It has since been used as a basis to make laws regulating commerce that make trade less free rather than more free, which was the intent of the commerce clause.
It would be no less wrong for the states individually to violate the rights of individuals than it is for the federal government to do so.
oleaginousjoe 1 year ago
Castro hailed Obamacare as a miracle and an important battle and a success of (Obamas) government. Castro stated Obamas health care is like the one enacted in Cuba a half century ago. Last year Castro said his countrys spending on health care was simply unsustainable.
dkkght46 1 year ago 2
@bobjman Schiff as constitutional scholar argues original intent of the commerce clause is subverted by the Supremes over a couple hundred years. I argued then that the original intent of the constitution has been thrown out by the numerous amendments and the numerous rulings by the Supremes. Perhaps he would like to throw all of them out also and we can go back to slavery and voting for land owning white men since that was the original intent of the constitution. : ) S
StyngRay1 1 year ago
@bobjman There is a first time for all progress (women voting, civil rights, etc) The issue is can they ask you to buy health insurance? The answer is YES. Why? Because even successive conservative courts have ruled that the feds can control markets where interstate commerce is concerned. Besides, If you dont mind the state telling you to buy car insurance or else go to jail then why do you care if the feds tell you to buy health care? : ) S
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fuckaroni77 1 year ago
Rupublicans consistently give more to charity than liberals. Your claim that they only care about themselves,is a lie like everything else the progressives say.
StinkFingerr 1 year ago
I respectfully disagree. Republlicans only care about themselves. Why aren't u people coming to the table with solutions. I'm a healthcare provider and the healthcare companies are destroying healthcare in our country. This gentleman isn't coming to the table with any solutions! He's lying.
billyboylb 1 year ago
Peter. You're so right about so much. "Crash Proof 2.0" has good solid positive advice on surviving the collapse. In this 10 min VB all I heard was that the HC bill is bad and unconstitutional. Do you have a positive idea on healthcare? Or, is it "all for one, and one for all" when we invade medieval non-threatening countries and provide lawyers for accused felons, but "every man for himself" when it comes to HC?
BurnIt1000 1 year ago
the only concern i have is the advancement of the bill. will it move into the right direction and actually improve the quality of medicare in the us not just taking tax money from middle class and upper class people to help pay the coverages for the lower class and nothing else.
LeeRyan2930 1 year ago
Mr. Shiff, if you see this - I'm intrigued of how you would interpret this quote from Federalist Paper #51.
"Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit."
I've always interpreted it to mean pursuit of Societal Justice through Federal government is an abuse of power.
But most other interpretations I've seen, believe it means "Justice is the goal of Government".
tharxinth 1 year ago
@talebi818
The car insurance example doesn't fit. A lack of car insurance can negatively impact someone other than the non-insured in an auto accident. You are not required by law to drive. Insurance is just a condition of driving on a road paid for by tax money.
tharxinth 1 year ago
@tharxinth When a person walks in a low-income hospital and doesnt pay, the fed. government pays for it aka taxpayers
talebi818 1 year ago
This is all well and good. It's apparent that the Founding Fathers wanted the U.S. Federal Government to have no more power than the IRS and war machine.
What people are forgetting is that people wrote this piece of paper when we road around on horses. The states have shown themselves further unable to provide for their denizens and, as such, power must be delegated from them.
After this settles down I vote that the Education System be federalized next.
Ichverbot 1 year ago
@ichverbot.. It is not the states that cannot provide for their citizens if the "citizens" put those people into power. The people had the power and now fail at electing sound people into any political offices. I blame the people not governments for all meeses we have seen over the last few years both political and social. If you think federalized education will work you are missing the picture. Name one successful federal program/business. Sure is not the post office or social security.
Rspringscabin 1 year ago
@Rspringscabin The funny thing about this failure known as the "post office" is that I can get a letter sent by me from Florida to California, about 2,000 miles, in 48 hours on a weekday for 50 cents.
I can spend hundreds of dollars on Health Insurance and still not get what I paid for when I get sick. That's the difference.
Ichverbot 1 year ago
@Ichverbot The funny thing is that you appear not to notice costs that aren't directly out of pocket.
ZeLVaR 1 year ago
chhhhh this is a secret, republican thinks only UPS exists and they are happy paying 50$ to send a mail to their friend 100 miles away and you know why ? Because they have good prices on vaseline....
Melpheos1er 1 year ago
@Ichverbot this piece paper is the reason the usa is the best country on earth bar none
MrMitch52 1 year ago
@MrMitch52 I kindly disagree. Following in the footsteps of Rush Limbaugh, see you in Japan!
Ichverbot 1 year ago
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THE 28th Amendment to the Constitution - Amendment 28
Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .
Congress and Obama have their own health plan. It is written into the new health plan and lets them use their own special system and NOT what we have.
JebusSUCKS 1 year ago
You need to sort out your photography. The camera is exposing for the back light and not Mr Schiff.
So close the blinds and switch on a table light that hits the subject.
The brighter readers will see the analogy I draw between photography and Mr Schiff's arguments.
tramsteer 1 year ago
Peter, your hair looks better on TV. You don't look that great in your video blogs.
jgpenate 1 year ago
Well, at least there is enough integrity and maturity here to allow an open dialogue.
ckym255 1 year ago
One more thing, tort reform solution is a myth. Yes there are costs with liability and lawsuits but they pale in comparison to the costs of treating chronic illnesses. These can be prevented, detected and treated at a FAR LOWER COST to providers and taxparys by regular doctor visits, rather than a bankruptcy visit to the emergency room.
feedtherich 1 year ago
@Prometheus4096
You've lost the debate prometheus, by refusing to debate in the first place.
treboomboom 1 year ago
Peter for presidente!
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
Dodd.
Laziestcrow 1 year ago
Wow let's put this guy in charge of the Budget! He seems to know what's going to happen in the future and is much more SURE than anyone in either party. How come we haven't heard of this guy before? I'm impressed and I believe we have yet another rebel without a clue!
smartin807 1 year ago
@smartin807 you must be listening to the wrong airwaves peter has been around for along time he is now running against that slime ball chris dodd (conn.)senate. send him a donation he needs 300.000 in 7days he's the real deal peter shciff for senate!!!!!!!!
MrMitch52 1 year ago
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Laziestcrow 1 year ago
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Laziestcrow 1 year ago
YOU TELLEM PETER !!!
GREAT VID BUD
yourmomscalling 1 year ago
Demonrats don't care one iota about the Constitution. They have basically shredded it with this bill. Obaomao said "I don't care about the process" so he is quite clearly trying to give himself dictatorial powers by ignoring the checks and balances built into the founding document. The goal is Islam to ruin America from the inside. With Obaomao, it's happening. Will there be elections in 2012? I have my doubts.
Zile77 1 year ago
@Zile77
I think it's hilarious that you're comparing Obama, a black man, to Mao, an Asian man. Do you honestly expect us to believe that you put two minority together on coincidence? It obvious you can't stand people of a different racial and economic background. It's obvious you want America like the 1950's, where the overwhelming majority of people were still white. It's obvious that this debate has never been about socialism, but instead racism. It's 2010, change your mentality.
hmoob7 1 year ago
@hmoob7
Why are you so obsessed with race? Can you not understand the implication that Mao represents an authoritarian viewpoint? I don't think it's the best comparison myself, but your response is even more ridiculous than comparing Obama to Mao. You also made another unfounded assumption that by comparing Obama to Mao, somehow that person wants a return to the 50's. Where did you learn logic?
bobjman 1 year ago
@bobjman
You're going to deny that the basis of the tea party "movement" and all modern republicans is the longing to go back to the days of the "Old America?" It's been said many times by many republicans in town hall events and whatnot, you asshat. Don't deny it.
hmoob7 1 year ago
@hmoob7
I'm not sure why you're talking about the Tea Party what does that have to do with this video? It's pretty sad you think all Republicans are exactly the same. What do you call it when someone thinks all people of a certain ethnic group are the same?
bobjman 1 year ago
Schiff for senate!! We need so many more just like Peter. Simple economics we can all understand-just watch his videos and read his books.
lenny380 1 year ago 2
SchiffReport. Let us all know when you are going to finish your incoherent rambling and focus on solutions to our problems, or is that to much work???
Lemme guess, you don't have any problems with billions of dollars being spent on the war in Iraq (among many other things)..?
humlakullen 1 year ago
@humlakullen
He has answer his position on the Iraq war may times. Look for his videos on the topic.
josacape 1 year ago
@humlakullen Peter Schiff never supported the Iraq War you dufus. He's libertarian. Let us know when you actually know what you are talking about.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
5 stars
yougiberishtube 1 year ago
No matter how you spin it the Uninsured do get hurt and sick and do get treated whether or not they can pay for it out of pocket. So it's the same as Universal Health care, but it only benefits the Uninsured. The rest of the Population that is Insured is already paying for health care and on top of that they're paying for all the State and Federal run programs.
goodoldjam 1 year ago
Go Peter. The world is yours.
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TeaPartyPatroit 1 year ago
nice plugs schiffy
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beatgeeks1 1 year ago
@beatgeeks1 Really? You must be little. You can't spell or even use correct grammar.
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beatgeeks1 1 year ago
and it doesn't matter if YOU disagree with the Supreme court. Since, it just shows that these challenges will, in fact be dismissed. Saying we "should tear up the constitution" is pointless and further proves the Bloomberg article.
faithfuljohn 1 year ago
here's the problem with what you are saying... the healthcare industry has recently has RECORD profits. If these "downloaded" costs are the reason for the increases costs, then explain them this dyscongruency.
And every single Republican this time around refused to repeal Medicare. If fact they were saying that this bill will put Medicare in danger! if it's sooo bad, why is that so?
faithfuljohn 1 year ago
I don't hear you offering a single solution to an intractable social problem. Running on negatives is easy, jackass, so I have to say I'm less than impressed.
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism
You might want to watch his other videos, he has address this many times. BTW, the best solution is to remove the government(i.e. mandates 20 to 30%, state line restriction, eliminate monopolies etc.)
josacape 1 year ago 3
Ever wonder why the Israel-first neocons over at the AEI were all hush-hush about teh health care bill? It was because they "agreed too much" with what Obama was doing.
rlga5 1 year ago
the constitution is a liberals and "moderate" republicans worst enemy. they hate it.
RealityVersusEgo 1 year ago 2
Yes schiff.
0001kd 1 year ago
Sorry Schiff, I just don't get this one.
At the very beginning of the video, you already had me perplexed. Taxes... premiums... not sure how you're trying to relate those two things.
pnoozi 1 year ago
What's the big deal? It's basically a tax hike. Really. That's all it is. There's no mandate per se--if you don't buy health insurance, you pay more taxes. And if you can't afford either, you go on Medicaid.
That said, I would've rather seen them repeal the HMO Act that created this whole managed care monstrosity in the first place.
JoshuaSethComposer 1 year ago 2
uhh, the "Supreme" clause in the constitution does seem to refute your position. In addition to that, we have had 200 years of constitutional precedence ... Good luck.
firstcor1313 1 year ago
I like muslims, they're nice people.
NoGripRacingGTR2 1 year ago 2
You can say you are a Capitalist but wont turn away socialist medicine like Medicare.
As for constitutionality: the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818
It's true, once you make a people dependent on a program like MC it's difficult to eliminate it without creating a riot. It should have never been created - but people pay into it and the people want what they payed for even if it's crap. It will never last, it never does.
BTW, you have to come up with a better argument to justified its Constitutionality. You do understand the U.S gov can't violate any other (L)aw within the Constitution?
josacape 1 year ago
@josacape If the State of California can issue a law that requires everybody (legal or illegal) that has a car to have car insurance, why cant the Federal Government impose a similar law? Maybe the other stuff in the bill is flawed, but children, regardless of their parent's income or their own health conditions, should have medical care. But it seem to be communism when you take money that goes to Medicare and give it to children who have not health care at all.
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi8
Why would we have 'states' if the Fed Gov can over rule them on everything?You forget,the states created the FedGov not the other way around.And our form of Gov is not to have a central Gov that dictates every single aspect of our lives or the states.
People who can't take care of themselves should not be having kids to put on their neighbors shoulders.Now,why can't charity be promoted?Why does it always have to be forced?We voluntarily give to other nations,but we can't do it in ours?
josacape 1 year ago
@josacape we live a Democratic Republic. It is a hybrid. This debate has been going on for years. Its called FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for a reason. If the states had more power it would be called a CONFEDERACY. And the States voted for a FEDERAL government because they decided not to have every state be independent.
And that kids statement is ignorant. Regardless if its right or wrong, it happens, and there is nothing we can do about it so might as well help Children. Dont put the blame on them.
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818 you do realize that adding more people to insurance is going to make insurance more expensive. Especially mandating that children be covered by a single premium payment of the parent. Kids will get scrapes on the knee, and go to the doctor on insurance. Imagine if the parent has several kids? This health care bill does nothing to lower costs of health care. In a nutshell, this bill is redistribution of wealth, and Federal government control. It's called economics.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
@SamuelMoralesJr
You white people, and your way of life, are insane. look at all the problems you people create.
JurkoffJay 1 year ago
@JurkoffJay I am definitely not white. I think you are insane assuming I am white.
SamuelMoralesJr 1 year ago
@talebi818
We are a Constitutional Republic by Law, do you understand this? You may have an Opinion that we are a Democracy, still wont make it Lawful. We have democratic elements in our government, but that's it. We have 50 sovereign Republics under our federalism. The Federal Gov has limited delegated powers, all other powers not delegated are reserve to the states or to its people. Do you understand this?
josacape 1 year ago
@talebi818
So saying that people who can't take care of themselves to not put responsibilities on other people for their selfish decision to have kids is ignorant? I agree, help the kids, but voluntarily, I assume you wish to be forced? I don't think you can call being forced against your will help, can it?
josacape 1 year ago
@josacape Children cannot fend for themselves. Being forced against your will wtf are you talking about? A child cannot make decisions like Health Care, so that is up to "adults" to do it. And helping kids should be voluntary? Are you serious right now? I really hope you are not going to get on Medicare when you become of age because you would just be contradicting yourself. Do you expect children to pay for their own health care?
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818
You say; we need to help the children - I say; yes, voluntarily because making me do something against my will to accomplish your goal is not help, do you understand that? Apparently adults can't either, besides I never said children should fend for themselves or make a decision on HC. And no, MC wont be around when I'm of age, and I wouldn't dream of using it. I expect people to be charitable, Charity is best when it's voluntary, not when it's forced.
josacape 1 year ago
@josacape I still cannot get your reasoning on only helping children when it is for charity. I agree that we should never be forced to help a grown ass adult who can take care of themselves but this is not Somalia where children have to kill to get basic necessities. They make no income how are they suppose to get health care? And dont use their parents as an excuse because they cannot afford HC themselves either.
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818
And because it's not Somalia people will voluntarily help them, right? It's OK Not to be force to help adults, but it's OK to be force to help children? It's not HELP if you're forcing me to do something I do not wish to do, how is that so hard to understand? They are supposed to get HC by people who will provide it through charity, good will, and people who will give their time for such causes. Not by forcing, threating, and demanding it of me.That's the surest way to get resentment.
josacape 1 year ago 3
@talebi8
Your mindset is about forcing others to accomplish your goal, my mindset is to convince them to voluntarily accomplish my goal.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number.The latter are surly curmudgeons,suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." -Robert A. Heinlein
josacape 1 year ago
@josacape My mindset is to help children. Wouldnt you say agreeing to law that allows all children in America under 18 years old to have health care funded by you an act of charity in it of it self? You would be voting for a congressman that is for free HC for all children funded by you. I understand that forcing people to do something is wrong, im 100% with you on that but is forcing people to do something that is good and right wrong as well? Wouldnt we agree that helping children is right?
talebi818 1 year ago
@talebi818
Your mindset is to Force people to help, that is not help. If I were to agree with a statute of that nature, I would have to agree on a statute from 18 to 30, from 30 to 42, from 42 to 55, from 55 to 68, from 68 to 80, from 80 to 92 etc. Which I do not, and it would not be a (L)aw but a continuation in the destruction on my Right to my property, life, and the pursuit of. If that is your definition of Charity, well, it is a poor attempt to define it.
josacape 1 year ago
@taleb
Nothing is Free,that includes HC,and it's not my congressman right to give.Your attempt at being benevolent is nothing more than an attempt at being malevolent,tho you may not realize it.You have no other way of helping people if it's not through government force.There have been a lot of governments in history that force people to do good and right things that were wrong.And if it's good and right,then you need no Force to accomplish it.I've have always said we should help the children.
josacape 1 year ago
@talebi818
EX:
What if a few states decided they wanted to make a treaty with another country, can they? No. Why? Because the states delegated that power to the Feds. What if we had a republican administration and he told Massachusetts that it couldn't have the current healthcare system they have without permission from the FedsGov, can they? And if they can, what's to stop them from removing it when they wish to?
josacape 1 year ago
@talebi818
Car:
When you register your car with the state, the state requires you to have insurance.When the state