Ok well for one, its DEER not deers, you have your views on the subject so do hunters. Bad shots happen all the time nothing you can do about it. I have tracked deer though out the night for hours on end with a search party of 8 and not found it. You act like we just leave them be if we dont find them right away. Yes a small number that are lazy do, but for the ones that have a high level of respect and appreciation for the sport do not. Give credit where credit is due.
I dont see how you can justify things in the bible & then turn around & belittle someone else & the decision to hunt... I do not go to church & study the word of Jesus & of his father but,,, The bible dont teach being judgemental against another.
Humans had the choice to sin & to eat meat.. They had that choice - Why are there carnivorous animals still ? Did they have that choice ??
You can blame others but,, Why do you have a block on your comments - why not allow all comments to be made???
Carnivores need to kill in order to survive man do not for man is anatomically designed for plants. BOB its not about "judgment" is about killing animals for sports and trophy being WRONG. Its about the lies of the hunting industry claiming hunting is "deer reduction" when DVA's has risen because of hunting and innocent human continues to die as well. Would it be "judgmental" if the subject was about dog abuse ? Is it because the subject about deer?
I am a bowhunter... I agree that the study is inaccurate & therefore shouldnt be considered but, It is a start... If these studys continue & then taught to upcoming hunters - The ethics of making a vital shot & recovering a wounded animal would lower this rate...
Alot of people out there have little to no remorse for the animal (I have met MANY MANY of these people - Including my mothers Husband)
He has wounded / not recovered a few deer this season alone & It makes me MAD AS HELL!!!!!!!
How exactly are you going to win the battle against animal cruelity? If banning bowhunting is your answer it is stupid. There are over 1,000,000 deer that are hit by vehicles accross the United States every year. That number only reflects what is reported by those that hit them. How many deer are wounded by car-deer collisions that are not reported? Should we ban vehicles also because they are cruel to deer and make them suffer when impact occurs? Stupid video and argument!
Did you know that the top 10 states with the highest DVA's are the most heavily hunted and its been that way for many years? If hunting is about reducing DVA then why is the fatalities rising? Why is it in Michigan (huge hunting states) have the largest deer population and one of the highest in DVA's. Deer population in some counties are 10 times the size it was in the 70's. I can tell you why because hunters need the large deer herd for recreational killing.
Also because of compensatory rebound effect killing does not work. instead it creates more deer (which the hunting industry knows about and wants that ). Plus look at all the food plots after food plots is it any wonder why there are so many deer ? Did you also know that hunting org deliberately producing deer for recreational purpose.? There are 2 videos on that subject on videi information go watch it
Don't forget hunters feed more of the poor than anybody through project venison. Oh and God said the animals shall be meat for us. This is what he told Noah.
God granted TEMPORARY permission to consume meat after the flood. He wanted the flesh eating to end that is why Jesus came to end the bloodshed and eating of flesh. Jesus taught vegetarianism to his people but many of his non-killing and vegetarian ways was omitted from the bible but you can find it in his Jesus of Nazarene Essene gospel of peace which is his true on the dead sea scroll.
Jesus say "I desire mercy not sacrifice" that means if you have the choice not to kill, do not kill.
"project venison" lolol!! Sure its easy to "give" what you don't want isn't it? Even with the risk of CWD, and mad deer and so many other disease (they are not inspected by the USDA) they still dump it to the pantries. There are 95 billion pounds of food wasted every year in America and there is a salvage program. You want "feed the hungry" then do that instead. If Jesus was here today and you said about your "hunter for hungry" he laugh at your pathetic hypocrite face.
It sickened me to the point that I almost quit my job. The suffering was tremendous. Death came very slow to most of the deer population in the area. After the trial period was over, the whitetail population had plummeted to less then 23% of the norm. Had it not been for the effort of hunting organizations and local farmers there would be NO deer at all. So, you stay on your side of the fence and Ill stay on mine with hunters that care. This video is nothing but stupid vegan propaganda
Remember 68,000 wounded deer i n Wisconsin and beachboy your story is pointless and sounds to me like bunch of BS. We do not need abundance of deer herd artificially created by the hunting org. only to kill them for "sports" and also causing high rate of deer vehicle accident. We do not need wildife serial killers they have caused enough problems to human and non-human animals.
Again I post. I am a retired conservation officer as well as a avid bow hunter. I was in charge of a tract of land covering about 100 sp. miles of land that had a tempory ban on deer hunting. This was in the northwest corner of Iowa. Over the 2 years I personally witnessed the devasting and horrendious effect that ban created. Starving deeer with deformed antlers, fawns born dead or dying, and disease running panpant. My job was to document the effects.
That was pathetic, nice touch with the sad music though. I've been bowhunting for 25 years and have never had to track a deer more3 then 10 - 15 yards. All were heart shots and 2 lung shots. The deer were dead before I reached them and with in about ten minutes. With the right equipment and skill the "savagery" is less then what a cow goes through for your Big Mac. How many of those do you eat a week?
Of course (with sarcasm) your kill was "ethical" and they die "quickly" what do you think bowkillers going to come here and admit that their shot deer was thrashing and dying a horrific death? About the cow and big mac I do not eat meat plus even meat eaters abhor human scums like you that kills for "sports" and trophy. When you speak of suffering why do you suppose bowhunting website tell other bowkillers to wait min of 30-45 minutes before tracking wounded deer?
I am the wife of a bowhunter myself and I see that you say that you do not eat meat. I wonder if you think when you eat a bowl of salad or any vegetable, how many insects, snakes, and other small animals (including baby deer) were killed while those vegetable were being harvested. The numbers are far greater that the number of deer killed every year. If you are going to defend life I think you should go all the way not just what you feel like dwelling on this month.
First of all mr.bowkiller you should google "contrast harm, vegan agriculture vs. meat agriculture. 2nd. There are over 6 million deer ++ slaughtered in America every year for sports plus how many are left wounded and crippled? Last year in Wisconsin 68,000 wounded deer was not recovered by hunters now that's is a lot of pain and suffering don't you think??!! In NY Shelter Island bowhunters did not report 250 wounded deer , why do you supposed that?
You are funny. I sent you a long response a couple of weeks ago in the inbox section of YouTube and you didn't respond. Now you go on this wall and post a comment that I wasn't aware of until I visited this video again. All of you animal rights people on this website are the same. You only allow comments to be posted that you approve first. You are afraid on confrontation and your arguments being hurt. Grow a set of balls!
Somehow wildlife killers think their message or comments are "original" and that we "should" answer them. Sorry but I have answered the same repetitious BS about the thousand times over and still you plug your ears and don't want to hear the truth so I don't wast my time. I do save animals lives which is not easy unlike you that destroys them which is darn easy.
There are over 1,000,000 deer hit and killed by vehicles every year in the United States. That constitutes a lot of pain and suffering. I go back to what I have asked you every time and you refused to answer. Should we outlaw all forms of transportation because they result in deer suffering?? Comparing 68,000 deer to 1,000,000 is not even close. Be a man and make sure that all of these responses are posted. If you don't I will deem you a coward.
Answer me as to why deer vehicle accidents are the highest during deer killing season?( don't blame the rut deer because that is part of nature). Plus the hunting org are deliberately creating large deer preferably the buck deer for sports killing thus more deer in rut and more deer. DVA's has gone up as the result of hunting so not only does hunters cause pain and suffering to animal lives but to innocent human lives.
Vegan is not a "bowl of salad" . Google Vegan and recipes and you seem some eye opening delicious food.
Here is another interesting note.
[1] If you live and pay taxes in an industrialized nation with a strong military, such as the United States, you inadvertently and indirectly, and hopefully unwillingly and regrettably, support the slaughter of innocent humans in the form of warfare in other countries (waged primarily for economic reasons;
the economic reasons controversially thought to be also national security reasons) and arms supply to violent militias, just like vegans inadvertently, unwillingly, and regrettably support the slaughter of innocent nonhumans by living and paying taxes in our animal-exploiting society."
sports hunters intentionally cause harm to innocent sentient being for no other reason but for self gratification and amusement.
Did you know in Wisconsin hunters did not recover 68,000 wounded deer according to the DNR and the article from Associated Press. Now lets just say the calculation was off and it was 6,000 deer that is still wayyyy too many suffered deer in the name of "sports". Personally even 60 is way too many because that suffering did not need to happen but people like you wanted to kill for fun.
I guess even wolfs and bears should not kill or eat a deer. That kind of death to for the deer is much worse than bow hunting.
Or the lions in africa better stop all there killing. Some times lions start eatting there prey before it is dead. And it can take hours for there prey to die.
I am sorry but anyone that thinks hunting is wrong is a fool !
Your response by saying"that is a crock"proves you do not know anything about agricuture.Look it up before you look like a fool,search on sites who really know something about livestock,grain and pastures.If you would simply have an idea how modern agriculture works,how much water is used to grow crops who are not supposed to be raised in dry countries.The chemicals that are used to make your fruit and vegetables look good.The genetical threat to bio-diversity and insects like the important bees
Have you ever though that if in your wildest dreams that everybody would be vegans, the amount of plants you would need to feed everybody?You would simply need the same surface if not more to feed the world and that's a fact.Your argument that meat kills the rainforest is not true.You do not know that most toiletpaper "moltonel"used in the US is coming from trees from the rainforest.And we do not talk about the genetical modified crops that produce at least 10% less food then he naturel ones.
First of all meat eaters also eat plants and fruits so there is double whammy but when you have 10 billion land animals (and growing) that is alot of forest and water damage and an eco-damage over all so spare me the veggie and toilet paper excuses. Please provide you source and I have provided mine on video information link.
If you would know something about farming and grain, you would know that a part of the harvested grain are simply not good enough for human food.They are used only for animals.If we use your dogma we should then simply throw that grain away?Tell us how you are going to save the animals, yes with putting everywhere fences,putting chemicals in the nature and finally giving birthcontrol,again chemicals and going against one of the most importent things in nature,reproduction and naturel selection.
For humans and animals both breathe the same air, and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place — the dust from which they came and to which they must return. For who can prove that the human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward into the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:18-21).
You name your bad guys 'meateaters"this is not correct at all,we are omnivors.The only true meateaters are the Inuit and the Mongolians.They are also the living prove that opposed to vegans dogmas that humans are basisly vegetarian, you can even eat only meat to live.The problem I have is that for you killing plants or cutting down trees is not taking a life.All living things should be respected because primairely they die so we can live,build,warm ourselves.Respect for all living things is a +
"The problem I have is that for you killing plants or cutting down trees is not taking a life"
Where did I say this? I said all life deserve respect even buddah believe that tree, bugs everything has a soul but to a certain extent. BUT we know for a fact that we are not the same as trees and plants unless you believe you are related to a tomato.
I presume you put the life of an animal above or equel to humans?But what about the plants you eat,are they not living things who feel pain?You find it justified to kill plants or chop down trees without remorse,strange vieuw on suffering.You talked about the native Indians,well they respected life and saw us all as being part of mother earth,humans,animals,plants and others.You are in fact an ecological racist who puts animals before all the rest.This is not about protecting the eco-system.
Plants can regrow and when die for food (harvest) they are at the end of their lives. I put the life of animals equal to the life of human who have compassion and mercy to all life but to those like the recreational hunters they are in the same scum of the earth catagorie as the serial killers, rapist and child abusers . I do not put them in the same level as an animals I put them wayy below animals like a maggot crawling on satan skin.
Some crops you eat are genetically modified, are they beter then meat?What impact will they have on the eco-system?Soybean,Tofu are not native to the West.The transport of this food+the all year round fruit and vegetables are also bad for the environement as is meat.Ask you the question if you can be vegan by only eating fruit and vegetables coming from your country,no fancy fruit or vegetables allowed and respect the seasons they are harvested.Your food travel alot,same as commercial meat does.
II think hunting is good it's a great way to connect with nature And I'm not giving up meat to pop protein pills and vegagoo in a tube. If I'm going to eat meat I'm going to kill it myself and I know what is in it. The store bought crap is full of hormones and God knows what else Game animals are able to live in the wild and live to an old age before being killed quickly (if even killed at all) Responsible hunters kill the animal in mere seconds (like me) dont let bad hunters speak for all of us
1. nuts, see, soybean, tofu and other plants have plenty of protein no need for "vegagoo" lol
2. You don't even drink milk, have ice cream, cheese nothing? No bacon or chicken?
3. Game animals are killed some from the time they are fawn up to 5 years . Average is about 2 years old and they kill button buck too so spare us your "old age" . "Responsible hunters' LOL. You people and those pretty words of lies.
no it means you were correct in countering my comment, and it made me laugh. My earlier comment was irrational and stupid, but at least i have the honesty to admit it. Now i am going to tell you why u hunt. I bow-hunt I and make all my bows from completely from hand. I also make the arrows from hand. I spend countless hours making these devices to hunt, to kill. After i make these weapons i spend time in my local forest and stalk game, particularly deer, and i shoot them. Now i (cont)
is a 55 lb longbow at 28 inches. If you want to see good information on making bows look at JohnJayRambos111 channel for some good instructions. I will probably upload the pictures this weekend after my psychology final. Have a nice day.
or sadistic. I work hard to harvest my game and i am proud of that. Im not asking you to agree with me but just to comprehend, or at-least consider hunting more than just merciless killing but as something that connects us with nature, with who we are. I know by me writing all this you are just going to respond in a negative fashion, but i dont care. I will try to respect your opinion, at least consider mine to do the same to mine. Not all hunters are heartless assholes, i strive not to be.
i have heard the word harvest used for both game, produce and crops. I might be wrong but i hear a lot of people use the word harvesting for hunting animals were i live....
"i have heard the word harvest used for both game, produce and crops. I might be wrong but i hear a lot of people use the word harvesting for hunting animals were i live.... "
google "harvest" and see how dead slaughtered deer you see, NONE all you see is veggies., wildlife killers love to use the word "harvest" like as if the animals were pluck from the ground like potato which most human find it pathetic that the word "harvest" is used to killing animals.
And this is not about those who have to really hunt for survival like an indigents or depending on where they live they may not have no choice but the people that come here spouting "wildlife conservation" is not about foods its about BS and excuses to cling onto their privilege to slaughter innocent wildlife.
Whats my "own country"? This land did not belong to no white man either it belong to the Indians so why dont you go back to where you came from . In fact why don't all the killers get an Island and there you can kill each other with knives, bows and rifles.
Let's ask why you are a Nature hater. Nature has always approved of hunters. Yes, you're a Nature hater same as Walt Disney and other of his ilk. Hate Nature so much they want to "clean up" animal behavior so the lamb and wolf lie down together in peace. Without the vital role of killing Nature would at best consist of algae and bacteria, higher level organisms simply couldn't exist.
I guess for wildlife serial killers to "love" nature is to cause pain and suffering to innocent sentient and leave thousands of animal wounded in the forest to die a terribly slow death. There are tons of ways to "enjoy" nature but killing is not one of them that is left for real carnivores to keep a healthy eco where wildlife killers destroy the healthy eco buy going after the biggest buck leaving the sickly behind.
Humanizing animals is always a sign of mental illness. It's displayed constantly by anti-hunters. They attmept to scientifically disprove hunting, then, when that fails as it always does, rely on humanizing the animals and attempting to use 'guilt' as a weapon. They also can't seem to figure out the difference between herbivore, omnivore or carnivore. They fail on virtually every level of reality, yet are the most zealous people on the planet.
those 68000 deer from wisconsin came from the numbers from keith warnke who also estamated the deer population at 1.7 million and after the deer hunt was reported saying o maybe there was only 850,00 thats like half
It would not matter if it was 10,000 wounded deer or even 2,000 or even 10 thats more then enough and it was all unnecessary pain and suffering. You all are so "concerned" with starvation yet look what you do!
This is america, If I want to bowhunt, then shame on Me if I dont, liberals may have gotten M-80s taken away but they will never take away the timeless tradition of hunting.
Then do I have news for you, Nature's a cruel bitch, and man is far more merciful than any wolf, shark, diving beetle, or centipede which all have a nasty habit of eating their prey WHILE IT'S STILL ALIVE. I'd say a broadhead through a deers heart is more merciful than being eaten while your alive from your tail to your head (How dragonfly nymphs eat) wouldnt you? or are you just excluding man from nature? That's too bad for you because man will always be a part of nature... a blazing predator.
Wildlife serial killers come up with the same repetitious excuses like the "wolves rip them to shred" when wolves 1. would make their kill as quickly as possibly to bring the animal down so they can eat. Their killing is not for "sports"
2. Man kill millions upon millions of innocent wildlife for "sports" and trophy leaving thousands wounded and crippled.
3. Man is no "predators" to the animal kingdom. Maybe to women and children but not to the animals.
4. Man is a manufactured made "predators" to the animal kingdom because without their accessories they be no different then a defenseless bunny rabbit grazing in the grass and a perfect meal for a true predators like the grizzlies, cougars, wolves and coyotes.
Chips hunt with spears they make.. is this an unnatural predation or is this evolution at work. They posses the brain power required to make their own weapons and thus they gain a rung on the food chain.
"At one time man hunted for food and survival today its purely for "sports" and trophy!" -- is the antecedent of this approval for those who do hunt for food? And should those who do hunt for food, be disgusted with their endeavors that they kill for food?
Anticipating your reply that today people don't have to kill for food - I disagree, ultimately we all kill for food wether we eat cookies, celery, fish, chicken, etc.
I think DNR aew encouraging all wildlife killers to always mentioned "eating the meat" because they know they have no more excuses left and the only hope is that people think their killing if food "food" when we all know that especially in bowkilling that is not so. Their main purpose is for trophy and "sports". It be more believable if someone was using a shotgun rather then a bow. Either way today wildlife killers is recreational purpose and not for "food"
what a dumbass most people dont use a shotgun since it lacks range compaired to a rifle which can reach out at 800 yards and drop a deer. a shotgun is only good out to 75 yards
SInce you know very little, I'll just add that most deer hunters, if not almost all, do eat the meat. The meat is superior to anything in a store. But in your rampant denial, you miss these things. Not a surprise. You're wrong on far more than a few things.
Sure its "superior"' that is why 3-400 pounds of venison are dumped to the pantries. Venison that are not USDA inspected and a possibility of mad deer disease and pesticides.
Deer numbers are the highest at deer killing season just in time to satisfy millions of wildlife serial killers. Wildlife Agencies make sure the population will be right back to last season pre-cull # year after year thus deer vehicle accident are the highest during deer killing season with the wildlife terrorist in the forest too spooking the deer.
Its pretty damn obvious that you dont know the first thing about wildlife management or wildlife in general.
If people like you managed our forests there would be constant crash and boom cycles.
Predators eat all prey.. predators population crashes through starvation/disease. Due to lack of predators.. prey population booms until they crash from starvation disease.. due to dieing prey predator population booms.. ect.. ect and the cycle continues like this without proper culling.
actually its called rut where the bucks chase the does and become more active. this is where a buck that would normally stay in a swamp beded down most of the day is now traveling up to 5 miles after does to mate
"ethical" kill the big deer with huge rack to compensate for what they lack between the leg. Carnivore animals kill the weaker, the less strong, sometime they may kill the young but that is all part of wild and how they keep the population in check.
"God gave the task of "wildlife management" to the carnivore animals of the wild"
Yeah and that was before our wilderness was fragmented due to urban sprawl and habitat distruction. Large predators require are much larger home range than prey.. thus predator populations are not a level great enough to effectively cull prey.
I swear.. people like you think you are the animals friend but in reality you would make their habitat a miserable hell.
Not so. I want wolves and coyotes. Nature has always approved of hunters. That doesn't mean I approve of hunting being out of balance to the detriment of prey populations - whether by man or wolf.
I'm going to use that musical score for a vid. on man's alienation from natural food sources, the pollution of our environment from agriculture, priceless top soil erosion, rampant use of pesticides, the insanity of our cities...and then I'll get into the global warming themes. Thanks.
You misunderstand. I'm a bowhunter and biologist. Nature agrees with hunting and without it her ecoystems would begin to collapse within days. Today we stand at the brink of ecological catastrophe not because of hunting, but because of what is basically it's opposite...i.e., industrial agriculture and overpopulation. I refer you to Paul Shepard and deep ecology in general.
You misunderstand. My firm conviction is that hunting is widely misunderstood and that it's virtuall opposite is killing the planet. Namely, overpopulation, modern agriculture, and industrialism.
I agree that there are far too many "unethical" woundings and kills each year amongst bowhunters, but I do not think that banning the sport is the right thing to do. Archery Hunting has been in my family for many years and we always follow one important rule...if you are not 100% sure you are going to hit the heart, don't shoot. In other words, hunters should be proficient archers before hitting the woods, to be sure they are killing the animal in the most honorable fashion.
1. Yes there is far too many wounded deer and senseless deer suffering because wildlife killers are more concerned with getting the trophy or they just wanted to kill for fun and leave the wounded deer.
2. Its not a "sport" unless the deer have a gun or arrow
3. Animal cruelty should never be a "tradition"
4. 99% of wildlife killers don't care about whether animal suffer or not this I learned from visiting "how to track a wounded deer" website.
A study conducted in california found that deer shot in the chest cavity by a 30-06 expires in about 23.7 seconds and a bowshot to the chest cavity expired in 30 secons. not much of a diffrence. The gunshot deer ra an average of 70 yrds and the bowshot deer never made it over 100. Both are affective management tools. Its all about shot placement and hunter ethics and above all commen sense
I have seen both shot gun and bowkilling and the bowshot animal never goes down fast. Never. In gun shot most does but even those I have seen suffering and agonizing death. Both are horrific but nothing like in bowkilling.
Yea! You just have to complete a hunters education course and take an examinations that is offered by the DCNR. I believe the minimum is sixteen class hours taught by a certified instructor. Of course you have to be in the company of a 21 year old to hunt the WMA. NO! not any trigger happy gun nut can get one. So know the facts! We know your ignorant, now your proving your stupid too.
Have you ever watched the videos that is on youtube uploaded by bowkillers? There is never a "quick" death and some of the death I have seen is pure evil and horrific. I have also visited some 'hunting' forums one was called 'have you ever shot a deer that been shot before" and proves that so many deer are left wounded , some with serious infection. You are not convincing anyone with your lies.
the reason you have to approve these comments is because you want to keep them 1 sided. putting false information into peoples heads. yea, very clever. hunting keeps deer numbers down so you dont hit them with your toyota prius
i have taken a lot of deer with my bow and arrow. my kill percentage is about 99 percent. if we hunters dont harvest these deer with guns and bows you would be killing them with your front bumper on your toyota prius. WHAT IS THE KILL PERCENTAGE FOR CAR DEER CRASHES?
NO! Wrong again. DVA has gone up because there are more cars and people in the world today. Think about it! Use some common sense. Oh wait, you don't have any sense. YOUR A LOOSER
I guess there must be millions of game warden watching each individual killers doing their killing. Hmm I have not seen game commission with 'hunters' in anyone of the the hundred of video of animals horrific death from 'hunters' on youtube I have watched.
Killers? You don't kill? Why don't you answer my questions about killing. What about that mosquito that lands on your face? All those roaches running around your shack. You kill too. HYPOCRIT
i live where the deer car accident rates are the highest in the country the deer get hit and limp off and have to die slow and pain full deaths or with out a some of there lags the best way to kill them is with a bow it is to populated to shoot a gun and the dnr wont let us poison them or fix them
If thats the case you might as well kill humans too because they too might get into a situation where they will die a slow suffering death. You would never be able to swear on God that you rather die with arrow into your lung then "maybe" get hit by a car because your wish may come true..
You think all life is sacred? Wake up to reality and stop dreaming. What are you going to do the next time a mosquito lands on your face? You should slap your face really hard and it might knock some since into you. Don't spray for those termites or roaches running around your shack. (You might kill their sacred lives) Tear down that shack you live in and give the wood that was used to built it back to the animals of the forest. This word describes you best HYPOCRITE. You sacred fool!
Loosing? I live in the south and the state I live in just bought more land for us hunters to enjoy. We have one of the longest and most generous hunting season of all the states. We just can't get enough of hunting and now we can hunt some species 365 days a year. Wow! Lossing? That would be you LOOSER.
I don't kill for sport either. I provide food for my family. Food that I know is free of steroids. Food that at least had the chance to live a free life and not enclosed in a pen. True I have mounted animals and fish in my den. I consider the ones on my walls trophies. Some are not trophies and are simple on my walls because they were my first. I can recall every detail about those successful hunts. I'm proud to be a hunter and provider of food for my family.
If its "food" for the families then we can abolish recreational killing (sports and trophy)?
If you consume dairy there are just as many hormones, pesticides and pus and you people do not eat the carcass knowing there is mad deer disease out there. So spare me your "eating meat" excuses. The only people that would eat venison is those who have no choice and they would not be here spouting excuses.
Are you kidding me.. I dont know one hunter that does not eat the venison. You are so wrong on everything you say. You should just shut your mouth and stop making a fool out of yourself. There is nothing more american that deer hunting. I hope your name is true though, because if ALLDEERGO2HEAVEN then when i pass it wont be so bad because I will be able to shoot deer up there to.
I heard Wildlife killers say that buck meat is not that great so that is where most of the meat is dumped to the pantries. Most of the bowkillers kill the buck deer not the doe so you think you can fool thepublic with your lies but many more are seeing right thru it all.
68,000 wounded deer was unrecovered by wildlife killers in 2008 season in Wisconsin alone. Imagine the pain and suffering you people have caused to millions of innocent sentient life?
Losing??? I live in a state where just deer season starts in Oct and runs until the end of January. We are allowed up to two (2) deer every day of the season. That comes to over two hundred deer a year for hunters in my state. Losing? That would be you.
come now we know you are dumping the mad deer diseased carcass to the pantries. You all try to use that meat excuses but we know better. 'Hunters for hungry" exist so wildlife killers can buy more tags to kill more deer for there is a place to "give" the bodies after you destroy them for "sports".
I hunt with crossbow, I've hit 3 deer but only recovered one. I feel bad about it, and I may stop hunting eventually. But I do enjoy shooting bows and guns and being out in the woods. I have mixed feelings about it but I don't like to BS. Hunting isn't about keeping populations down, it's about enjoying hunting. Deer were nearly extinct in Maryland until they were reintroduced for the purpose of hunting.
I accidentaly deleted a comment about God and persmission to eat meat. Flesh eating was only granted after the flood and because the fall of man. God regretted the and promised never to bring another again. God wanted the flesh eating to end and Jesus came to fulful that promise. He wanted to abolish flesh eating and teach about eating for inner peace and taught about love and non-kill of all life animals included.
Please watch the video about Mad deer disease and pantries. These people could give a damn what kind of diseased infested carcass they give to the pantries so long as they had their "fun" of destroying life and/or getting their trophy
You people use the word "harvest" like they are plants you just "pluck" them off the ground. These are living sentient being that feel terror, pain and suffering. They do not want to die that is why they run. Plant is at the end of their life when we harvest them the deer had many many more years to live but you cut them down short. What you all do is killing plain and simple. Not 'hunting' and not "harvesting' but killing!
Killing is a part of hunting. Without killing it wouldn't be hunting would it? Killing is a very small part of hunting. You think all hunters and mindless and barbaric, but you (as usual) are wrong. You have no clue what goes into hunting or why we do it.
'Hunters' today sit in their cowardly tree stand waiting for the animals to come to them and then you kill, there is no "hunting' involved. Yes its very barbaric and by your comment I can see you truly enjoy your heartless sadistic act towards innocent sentient life.
You think all hunters sit in tree stands. Wrong! (again) Some hunters use dogs, You think no hunting is involved. Wrong (again) When I set foot in the woods the odds are very much in favor of the animals I pursue. They have better eye sight, hearing, all their senses are far superior than any persons. Your think my acts are heartless and sadistic (WRONG) You think animals are innocent (WRONG) they are tasty not innocent. HYPOCRITE
We still have to listen to you whine. We still have to use our intellect to invent tools to help us better accomplish our goals. We're still sitting on the top of the food chain because of our intelligence, but you want to knock us down to the bottom because of your inability to grasp the fact that we are hunters. That is just how we are.
You can live in your own little fantasy world that man is at "the top of the food chain" but they are not. "Top of the food chain" would be the carnivores and the true omnivores of the wild that can kill and eat their the meat without the gadgets and weapons that man uses. Without them all you be as defenseless as a little bunny rabbit.
Maybe you should take a history leason in biology. Humans are at the top of the food chain, not because of our speed, strenght or teeth, but because of our brain. No other animal is as smart as us, no other animal can desieve like we can. We in a way are also animals, but much more sophisticated, which alowed us to evolve, and continue to evolve. If we were at the bottom of the food chain as you imply, we would not be here anymore. And yes all deer do goto heaven, but first to my freezer.
Man is the only species that could never survive without all that manufactured made crap. Spare me your 'brain" and "top of the food chain" BS that is why there are so many 'hunting' accidents where 'hunters' mistaken another for a turkey or a deer lol!!
Im a hunter and dam proud of it. i eat everything i kill. i havent gotten sick once from eating venison. its cleaner than anything you will get at a store. the only. The only thing that has been done wrong here is that a hunter hasnt put an arrow through your lungs yet.
Who are you kidding? Bowhunting is one of the most effective, quickest and cleanest ways to kill deer, all forms of hunting and even market killing deer involve blood loss, what other way would there be to die? This study is over 10 years old and no longer relevent......I can tell you I have killed more than 25 deer with Bow and Arrow and have only unrecovered 2, how many have tree huggers like you hit with thier beemers or subarus and never found????
I have seen the video on youtube uploaded by wildlife killers and about 90% of the deer that got hit is not "quick" death. The arrow hits the body and they run, I have seen several videos of bow killed deer (even shot gun) but mostly bowhit deer thrashing in pain some crying. It breaks my heart that these animals have to die this way because some human scums feel the need to destroy life maybe because they an angry nobodies and feel need to take it out on living creatures.
This is rediculous. I really wish I could pour my heart out on this one - but unforunately the post never makes it there beause I point out exactly what you are and it doesn't approve the text. Lies... can be posted... truth... well... we'll just not put that up.
Ok well for one, its DEER not deers, you have your views on the subject so do hunters. Bad shots happen all the time nothing you can do about it. I have tracked deer though out the night for hours on end with a search party of 8 and not found it. You act like we just leave them be if we dont find them right away. Yes a small number that are lazy do, but for the ones that have a high level of respect and appreciation for the sport do not. Give credit where credit is due.
vaginesleevofwizard 2 years ago 9
What you do is not "sports" and I don't "give" credit to cruelty.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I dont see how you can justify things in the bible & then turn around & belittle someone else & the decision to hunt... I do not go to church & study the word of Jesus & of his father but,,, The bible dont teach being judgemental against another.
Humans had the choice to sin & to eat meat.. They had that choice - Why are there carnivorous animals still ? Did they have that choice ??
You can blame others but,, Why do you have a block on your comments - why not allow all comments to be made???
BOBT71378 2 years ago
Carnivores need to kill in order to survive man do not for man is anatomically designed for plants. BOB its not about "judgment" is about killing animals for sports and trophy being WRONG. Its about the lies of the hunting industry claiming hunting is "deer reduction" when DVA's has risen because of hunting and innocent human continues to die as well. Would it be "judgmental" if the subject was about dog abuse ? Is it because the subject about deer?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I am a bowhunter... I agree that the study is inaccurate & therefore shouldnt be considered but, It is a start... If these studys continue & then taught to upcoming hunters - The ethics of making a vital shot & recovering a wounded animal would lower this rate...
Alot of people out there have little to no remorse for the animal (I have met MANY MANY of these people - Including my mothers Husband)
He has wounded / not recovered a few deer this season alone & It makes me MAD AS HELL!!!!!!!
BOBT71378 2 years ago
Bowhunters do not care to be "taught" there are enough sadistic bowkillers killing for pleasure, trophy and sports.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
How exactly are you going to win the battle against animal cruelity? If banning bowhunting is your answer it is stupid. There are over 1,000,000 deer that are hit by vehicles accross the United States every year. That number only reflects what is reported by those that hit them. How many deer are wounded by car-deer collisions that are not reported? Should we ban vehicles also because they are cruel to deer and make them suffer when impact occurs? Stupid video and argument!
schmitz93 2 years ago
Did you know that the top 10 states with the highest DVA's are the most heavily hunted and its been that way for many years? If hunting is about reducing DVA then why is the fatalities rising? Why is it in Michigan (huge hunting states) have the largest deer population and one of the highest in DVA's. Deer population in some counties are 10 times the size it was in the 70's. I can tell you why because hunters need the large deer herd for recreational killing.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Also because of compensatory rebound effect killing does not work. instead it creates more deer (which the hunting industry knows about and wants that ). Plus look at all the food plots after food plots is it any wonder why there are so many deer ? Did you also know that hunting org deliberately producing deer for recreational purpose.? There are 2 videos on that subject on videi information go watch it
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Now you got your answer you can move your disgusting animals killing ass on.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Don't forget hunters feed more of the poor than anybody through project venison. Oh and God said the animals shall be meat for us. This is what he told Noah.
shanejohnson9 2 years ago
God granted TEMPORARY permission to consume meat after the flood. He wanted the flesh eating to end that is why Jesus came to end the bloodshed and eating of flesh. Jesus taught vegetarianism to his people but many of his non-killing and vegetarian ways was omitted from the bible but you can find it in his Jesus of Nazarene Essene gospel of peace which is his true on the dead sea scroll.
Jesus say "I desire mercy not sacrifice" that means if you have the choice not to kill, do not kill.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"project venison" lolol!! Sure its easy to "give" what you don't want isn't it? Even with the risk of CWD, and mad deer and so many other disease (they are not inspected by the USDA) they still dump it to the pantries. There are 95 billion pounds of food wasted every year in America and there is a salvage program. You want "feed the hungry" then do that instead. If Jesus was here today and you said about your "hunter for hungry" he laugh at your pathetic hypocrite face.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
It sickened me to the point that I almost quit my job. The suffering was tremendous. Death came very slow to most of the deer population in the area. After the trial period was over, the whitetail population had plummeted to less then 23% of the norm. Had it not been for the effort of hunting organizations and local farmers there would be NO deer at all. So, you stay on your side of the fence and Ill stay on mine with hunters that care. This video is nothing but stupid vegan propaganda
beachboy12384 2 years ago 10
Remember 68,000 wounded deer i n Wisconsin and beachboy your story is pointless and sounds to me like bunch of BS. We do not need abundance of deer herd artificially created by the hunting org. only to kill them for "sports" and also causing high rate of deer vehicle accident. We do not need wildife serial killers they have caused enough problems to human and non-human animals.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Again I post. I am a retired conservation officer as well as a avid bow hunter. I was in charge of a tract of land covering about 100 sp. miles of land that had a tempory ban on deer hunting. This was in the northwest corner of Iowa. Over the 2 years I personally witnessed the devasting and horrendious effect that ban created. Starving deeer with deformed antlers, fawns born dead or dying, and disease running panpant. My job was to document the effects.
beachboy12384 2 years ago
@beachboy
And I am Frank Sinatra's grand daughter.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
That was pathetic, nice touch with the sad music though. I've been bowhunting for 25 years and have never had to track a deer more3 then 10 - 15 yards. All were heart shots and 2 lung shots. The deer were dead before I reached them and with in about ten minutes. With the right equipment and skill the "savagery" is less then what a cow goes through for your Big Mac. How many of those do you eat a week?
beachboy12384 2 years ago 4
@beachboy
Of course (with sarcasm) your kill was "ethical" and they die "quickly" what do you think bowkillers going to come here and admit that their shot deer was thrashing and dying a horrific death? About the cow and big mac I do not eat meat plus even meat eaters abhor human scums like you that kills for "sports" and trophy. When you speak of suffering why do you suppose bowhunting website tell other bowkillers to wait min of 30-45 minutes before tracking wounded deer?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I am the wife of a bowhunter myself and I see that you say that you do not eat meat. I wonder if you think when you eat a bowl of salad or any vegetable, how many insects, snakes, and other small animals (including baby deer) were killed while those vegetable were being harvested. The numbers are far greater that the number of deer killed every year. If you are going to defend life I think you should go all the way not just what you feel like dwelling on this month.
MrBowhunter80 2 years ago
First of all mr.bowkiller you should google "contrast harm, vegan agriculture vs. meat agriculture. 2nd. There are over 6 million deer ++ slaughtered in America every year for sports plus how many are left wounded and crippled? Last year in Wisconsin 68,000 wounded deer was not recovered by hunters now that's is a lot of pain and suffering don't you think??!! In NY Shelter Island bowhunters did not report 250 wounded deer , why do you supposed that?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You are funny. I sent you a long response a couple of weeks ago in the inbox section of YouTube and you didn't respond. Now you go on this wall and post a comment that I wasn't aware of until I visited this video again. All of you animal rights people on this website are the same. You only allow comments to be posted that you approve first. You are afraid on confrontation and your arguments being hurt. Grow a set of balls!
schmitz93 2 years ago
Somehow wildlife killers think their message or comments are "original" and that we "should" answer them. Sorry but I have answered the same repetitious BS about the thousand times over and still you plug your ears and don't want to hear the truth so I don't wast my time. I do save animals lives which is not easy unlike you that destroys them which is darn easy.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
There are over 1,000,000 deer hit and killed by vehicles every year in the United States. That constitutes a lot of pain and suffering. I go back to what I have asked you every time and you refused to answer. Should we outlaw all forms of transportation because they result in deer suffering?? Comparing 68,000 deer to 1,000,000 is not even close. Be a man and make sure that all of these responses are posted. If you don't I will deem you a coward.
schmitz93 2 years ago 3
Answer me as to why deer vehicle accidents are the highest during deer killing season?( don't blame the rut deer because that is part of nature). Plus the hunting org are deliberately creating large deer preferably the buck deer for sports killing thus more deer in rut and more deer. DVA's has gone up as the result of hunting so not only does hunters cause pain and suffering to animal lives but to innocent human lives.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Vegan is not a "bowl of salad" . Google Vegan and recipes and you seem some eye opening delicious food.
Here is another interesting note.
[1] If you live and pay taxes in an industrialized nation with a strong military, such as the United States, you inadvertently and indirectly, and hopefully unwillingly and regrettably, support the slaughter of innocent humans in the form of warfare in other countries (waged primarily for economic reasons;
cont..
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
the economic reasons controversially thought to be also national security reasons) and arms supply to violent militias, just like vegans inadvertently, unwillingly, and regrettably support the slaughter of innocent nonhumans by living and paying taxes in our animal-exploiting society."
sports hunters intentionally cause harm to innocent sentient being for no other reason but for self gratification and amusement.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Did you know in Wisconsin hunters did not recover 68,000 wounded deer according to the DNR and the article from Associated Press. Now lets just say the calculation was off and it was 6,000 deer that is still wayyyy too many suffered deer in the name of "sports". Personally even 60 is way too many because that suffering did not need to happen but people like you wanted to kill for fun.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I guess even wolfs and bears should not kill or eat a deer. That kind of death to for the deer is much worse than bow hunting.
Or the lions in africa better stop all there killing. Some times lions start eatting there prey before it is dead. And it can take hours for there prey to die.
I am sorry but anyone that thinks hunting is wrong is a fool !
The animals are here for man to eat and hunt.
stickbow67 2 years ago
Check the first video on favorites called "wolves hunting vs. Human hunting". I put that video together and my other channel.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"The animals are here for man to eat and hunt. "
Who says? You make a great meal for carnivores of the wild so why dont you be the hunted and a meal too you make a great one.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Your response by saying"that is a crock"proves you do not know anything about agricuture.Look it up before you look like a fool,search on sites who really know something about livestock,grain and pastures.If you would simply have an idea how modern agriculture works,how much water is used to grow crops who are not supposed to be raised in dry countries.The chemicals that are used to make your fruit and vegetables look good.The genetical threat to bio-diversity and insects like the important bees
celt130 2 years ago
I assume you need no fruits or veggie with the carcass?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Have you ever though that if in your wildest dreams that everybody would be vegans, the amount of plants you would need to feed everybody?You would simply need the same surface if not more to feed the world and that's a fact.Your argument that meat kills the rainforest is not true.You do not know that most toiletpaper "moltonel"used in the US is coming from trees from the rainforest.And we do not talk about the genetical modified crops that produce at least 10% less food then he naturel ones.
celt130 2 years ago
First of all meat eaters also eat plants and fruits so there is double whammy but when you have 10 billion land animals (and growing) that is alot of forest and water damage and an eco-damage over all so spare me the veggie and toilet paper excuses. Please provide you source and I have provided mine on video information link.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
If you would know something about farming and grain, you would know that a part of the harvested grain are simply not good enough for human food.They are used only for animals.If we use your dogma we should then simply throw that grain away?Tell us how you are going to save the animals, yes with putting everywhere fences,putting chemicals in the nature and finally giving birthcontrol,again chemicals and going against one of the most importent things in nature,reproduction and naturel selection.
celt130 2 years ago
That is a crock and just imagine how much land and water are wasted for the animal agriculture.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Where does i t say he is referring to human only?
For humans and animals both breathe the same air, and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place — the dust from which they came and to which they must return. For who can prove that the human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward into the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:18-21).
recreational killers will go to hell though!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I be waiting and maybe you can teach others instead of buying (yeah right)
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You name your bad guys 'meateaters"this is not correct at all,we are omnivors.The only true meateaters are the Inuit and the Mongolians.They are also the living prove that opposed to vegans dogmas that humans are basisly vegetarian, you can even eat only meat to live.The problem I have is that for you killing plants or cutting down trees is not taking a life.All living things should be respected because primairely they die so we can live,build,warm ourselves.Respect for all living things is a +
celt130 2 years ago
"The problem I have is that for you killing plants or cutting down trees is not taking a life"
Where did I say this? I said all life deserve respect even buddah believe that tree, bugs everything has a soul but to a certain extent. BUT we know for a fact that we are not the same as trees and plants unless you believe you are related to a tomato.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
I presume you put the life of an animal above or equel to humans?But what about the plants you eat,are they not living things who feel pain?You find it justified to kill plants or chop down trees without remorse,strange vieuw on suffering.You talked about the native Indians,well they respected life and saw us all as being part of mother earth,humans,animals,plants and others.You are in fact an ecological racist who puts animals before all the rest.This is not about protecting the eco-system.
celt130 2 years ago
Plants can regrow and when die for food (harvest) they are at the end of their lives. I put the life of animals equal to the life of human who have compassion and mercy to all life but to those like the recreational hunters they are in the same scum of the earth catagorie as the serial killers, rapist and child abusers . I do not put them in the same level as an animals I put them wayy below animals like a maggot crawling on satan skin.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Some crops you eat are genetically modified, are they beter then meat?What impact will they have on the eco-system?Soybean,Tofu are not native to the West.The transport of this food+the all year round fruit and vegetables are also bad for the environement as is meat.Ask you the question if you can be vegan by only eating fruit and vegetables coming from your country,no fancy fruit or vegetables allowed and respect the seasons they are harvested.Your food travel alot,same as commercial meat does.
celt130 2 years ago
Ask yourself this
How much grains do you think it takes to feed 10 billion land animals to be slaughtered for food?
there is a link to a site called eco-eating go check it out.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Hmm, sounds like pure dog poo to me allhunting.!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
II think hunting is good it's a great way to connect with nature And I'm not giving up meat to pop protein pills and vegagoo in a tube. If I'm going to eat meat I'm going to kill it myself and I know what is in it. The store bought crap is full of hormones and God knows what else Game animals are able to live in the wild and live to an old age before being killed quickly (if even killed at all) Responsible hunters kill the animal in mere seconds (like me) dont let bad hunters speak for all of us
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
@masterofHorseshit
1. nuts, see, soybean, tofu and other plants have plenty of protein no need for "vegagoo" lol
2. You don't even drink milk, have ice cream, cheese nothing? No bacon or chicken?
3. Game animals are killed some from the time they are fawn up to 5 years . Average is about 2 years old and they kill button buck too so spare us your "old age" . "Responsible hunters' LOL. You people and those pretty words of lies.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Do you know what prions are? How about Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease? Google that with "deer".
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
lol
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
That means no answer? "lol"
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
no it means you were correct in countering my comment, and it made me laugh. My earlier comment was irrational and stupid, but at least i have the honesty to admit it. Now i am going to tell you why u hunt. I bow-hunt I and make all my bows from completely from hand. I also make the arrows from hand. I spend countless hours making these devices to hunt, to kill. After i make these weapons i spend time in my local forest and stalk game, particularly deer, and i shoot them. Now i (cont)
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
Thats very nice, why don't upload a video for us to show us how you make them?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
is a 55 lb longbow at 28 inches. If you want to see good information on making bows look at JohnJayRambos111 channel for some good instructions. I will probably upload the pictures this weekend after my psychology final. Have a nice day.
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
*yawn*
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
or sadistic. I work hard to harvest my game and i am proud of that. Im not asking you to agree with me but just to comprehend, or at-least consider hunting more than just merciless killing but as something that connects us with nature, with who we are. I know by me writing all this you are just going to respond in a negative fashion, but i dont care. I will try to respect your opinion, at least consider mine to do the same to mine. Not all hunters are heartless assholes, i strive not to be.
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
"I work hard to harvest my game "
Correction, You did not "harvest' the game you killed an animals "Harvest"is for crops.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
i have heard the word harvest used for both game, produce and crops. I might be wrong but i hear a lot of people use the word harvesting for hunting animals were i live....
MasterofDisaster17 2 years ago
"i have heard the word harvest used for both game, produce and crops. I might be wrong but i hear a lot of people use the word harvesting for hunting animals were i live.... "
google "harvest" and see how dead slaughtered deer you see, NONE all you see is veggies., wildlife killers love to use the word "harvest" like as if the animals were pluck from the ground like potato which most human find it pathetic that the word "harvest" is used to killing animals.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
He's just an ingorant PETA supporter. You can't win.
Hang on, I gotta go get the deer meat off the grill.
bakinginheat9201 2 years ago
A National Institutes of
Health laboratory study has shown that CWD, like British mad cow disease,
can convert normal human prions into infected prions. Indeed we might have
already seen the first human deaths from mad deer disease. Three years ago
two young Western hunters, Doug McEwen and Jay Whitlock, came down with
so-called classic or sporadic CJD in their late twenties and died.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
In
1996 Kevin Boss, a Minnesotan who hunted there and in western Wisconsin,
died of CJD at age forty-one. Mary Reilly of Waupaca died not long ago of
CJD at age forty-three. These are a handful of young CJD deaths, but there
are more and they seem to be increasing.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
No one knows what CWD or other US
strains of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) would look like in
humans, but as in Britain they would possibly first appear as increasing
cases of classic CJD in people under fifty years of age.
Not that you have to worry because "sports" hunters do not eat their kill they dump it to the pantries.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Ok suppose then if there were no hunters and no "serial killers" of nature then the population of wildlife wouldn't get out of right?
unotweek 2 years ago
"Ok suppose then if there were no hunters and no "serial killers" of nature then the population of wildlife wouldn't get out of right?"
What?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
that is good that all deer go to heaven that way me and god have somethng to hunt
allhunting 2 years ago
You mean God the one that said "thou shalt not kill".? He must be a hypocrite just like you LOL!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
And this is not about those who have to really hunt for survival like an indigents or depending on where they live they may not have no choice but the people that come here spouting "wildlife conservation" is not about foods its about BS and excuses to cling onto their privilege to slaughter innocent wildlife.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Whats my "own country"? This land did not belong to no white man either it belong to the Indians so why dont you go back to where you came from . In fact why don't all the killers get an Island and there you can kill each other with knives, bows and rifles.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Let's ask why you are a Nature hater. Nature has always approved of hunters. Yes, you're a Nature hater same as Walt Disney and other of his ilk. Hate Nature so much they want to "clean up" animal behavior so the lamb and wolf lie down together in peace. Without the vital role of killing Nature would at best consist of algae and bacteria, higher level organisms simply couldn't exist.
davidleealford 2 years ago
I guess for wildlife serial killers to "love" nature is to cause pain and suffering to innocent sentient and leave thousands of animal wounded in the forest to die a terribly slow death. There are tons of ways to "enjoy" nature but killing is not one of them that is left for real carnivores to keep a healthy eco where wildlife killers destroy the healthy eco buy going after the biggest buck leaving the sickly behind.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Humanizing animals is always a sign of mental illness. It's displayed constantly by anti-hunters. They attmept to scientifically disprove hunting, then, when that fails as it always does, rely on humanizing the animals and attempting to use 'guilt' as a weapon. They also can't seem to figure out the difference between herbivore, omnivore or carnivore. They fail on virtually every level of reality, yet are the most zealous people on the planet.
trulyheaven777 2 years ago
If the video is about saving dogs or cats would you be coming here making the same comments trulyhell777?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
those 68000 deer from wisconsin came from the numbers from keith warnke who also estamated the deer population at 1.7 million and after the deer hunt was reported saying o maybe there was only 850,00 thats like half
LiberalsAreRetarted 2 years ago
It would not matter if it was 10,000 wounded deer or even 2,000 or even 10 thats more then enough and it was all unnecessary pain and suffering. You all are so "concerned" with starvation yet look what you do!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
This is america, If I want to bowhunt, then shame on Me if I dont, liberals may have gotten M-80s taken away but they will never take away the timeless tradition of hunting.
Jetryder223 2 years ago
"Tradition" should not be an excuse for cruelty. At one time man hunted for food and survival today its purely for "sports" and trophy!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Then do I have news for you, Nature's a cruel bitch, and man is far more merciful than any wolf, shark, diving beetle, or centipede which all have a nasty habit of eating their prey WHILE IT'S STILL ALIVE. I'd say a broadhead through a deers heart is more merciful than being eaten while your alive from your tail to your head (How dragonfly nymphs eat) wouldnt you? or are you just excluding man from nature? That's too bad for you because man will always be a part of nature... a blazing predator.
Jetryder223 2 years ago
Wildlife serial killers come up with the same repetitious excuses like the "wolves rip them to shred" when wolves 1. would make their kill as quickly as possibly to bring the animal down so they can eat. Their killing is not for "sports"
2. Man kill millions upon millions of innocent wildlife for "sports" and trophy leaving thousands wounded and crippled.
3. Man is no "predators" to the animal kingdom. Maybe to women and children but not to the animals.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
4. Man is a manufactured made "predators" to the animal kingdom because without their accessories they be no different then a defenseless bunny rabbit grazing in the grass and a perfect meal for a true predators like the grizzlies, cougars, wolves and coyotes.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Chips hunt with spears they make.. is this an unnatural predation or is this evolution at work. They posses the brain power required to make their own weapons and thus they gain a rung on the food chain.
booker357mag 2 years ago
*You* don't make the weapons the manufacture does, *you* just buy them.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"At one time man hunted for food and survival today its purely for "sports" and trophy!" -- is the antecedent of this approval for those who do hunt for food? And should those who do hunt for food, be disgusted with their endeavors that they kill for food?
Anticipating your reply that today people don't have to kill for food - I disagree, ultimately we all kill for food wether we eat cookies, celery, fish, chicken, etc.
davidleealford 2 years ago
I think DNR aew encouraging all wildlife killers to always mentioned "eating the meat" because they know they have no more excuses left and the only hope is that people think their killing if food "food" when we all know that especially in bowkilling that is not so. Their main purpose is for trophy and "sports". It be more believable if someone was using a shotgun rather then a bow. Either way today wildlife killers is recreational purpose and not for "food"
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
what a dumbass most people dont use a shotgun since it lacks range compaired to a rifle which can reach out at 800 yards and drop a deer. a shotgun is only good out to 75 yards
allhunting 2 years ago
Thank you, I learned something new. : )
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
SInce you know very little, I'll just add that most deer hunters, if not almost all, do eat the meat. The meat is superior to anything in a store. But in your rampant denial, you miss these things. Not a surprise. You're wrong on far more than a few things.
trulyheaven777 2 years ago
Sure its "superior"' that is why 3-400 pounds of venison are dumped to the pantries. Venison that are not USDA inspected and a possibility of mad deer disease and pesticides.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Deer numbers are the highest at deer killing season just in time to satisfy millions of wildlife serial killers. Wildlife Agencies make sure the population will be right back to last season pre-cull # year after year thus deer vehicle accident are the highest during deer killing season with the wildlife terrorist in the forest too spooking the deer.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Its pretty damn obvious that you dont know the first thing about wildlife management or wildlife in general.
If people like you managed our forests there would be constant crash and boom cycles.
Predators eat all prey.. predators population crashes through starvation/disease. Due to lack of predators.. prey population booms until they crash from starvation disease.. due to dieing prey predator population booms.. ect.. ect and the cycle continues like this without proper culling.
booker357mag 2 years ago
"etc etc" lolol! Wildlife killers BS and excuses are beyond pathetic!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
actually its called rut where the bucks chase the does and become more active. this is where a buck that would normally stay in a swamp beded down most of the day is now traveling up to 5 miles after does to mate
get your shit right before posting it
LiberalsAreRetarted 2 years ago
Really? After several years of doing this I never knew that deer mating is called a "rut" . God how could I be so dumb *roll eyes*
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"ethical" kill the big deer with huge rack to compensate for what they lack between the leg. Carnivore animals kill the weaker, the less strong, sometime they may kill the young but that is all part of wild and how they keep the population in check.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
God gave the task of "wildlife management" to the carnivore animals of the wild.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"God gave the task of "wildlife management" to the carnivore animals of the wild"
Yeah and that was before our wilderness was fragmented due to urban sprawl and habitat distruction. Large predators require are much larger home range than prey.. thus predator populations are not a level great enough to effectively cull prey.
I swear.. people like you think you are the animals friend but in reality you would make their habitat a miserable hell.
booker357mag 2 years ago
Do you know that wildlife serial killers kill wolves and coyote because they are competition and they want the abundance of deer all themselves?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Not so. I want wolves and coyotes. Nature has always approved of hunters. That doesn't mean I approve of hunting being out of balance to the detriment of prey populations - whether by man or wolf.
davidleealford 2 years ago
I'm going to use that musical score for a vid. on man's alienation from natural food sources, the pollution of our environment from agriculture, priceless top soil erosion, rampant use of pesticides, the insanity of our cities...and then I'll get into the global warming themes. Thanks.
davidleealford 2 years ago
Thank you David , anything to help mother earth and all its creation. !
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You miss the point, all of those are antipodal to hunting. I'm a bowhunter, biologist, ecologist, and Nature lover.
davidleealford 2 years ago
You misunderstand. I'm a bowhunter and biologist. Nature agrees with hunting and without it her ecoystems would begin to collapse within days. Today we stand at the brink of ecological catastrophe not because of hunting, but because of what is basically it's opposite...i.e., industrial agriculture and overpopulation. I refer you to Paul Shepard and deep ecology in general.
davidleealford 2 years ago
Opps we gotta another "biologist" here. Seems like there are many "biologist" hanging out in youtube land.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You misunderstand. My firm conviction is that hunting is widely misunderstood and that it's virtuall opposite is killing the planet. Namely, overpopulation, modern agriculture, and industrialism.
davidleealford 2 years ago
I agree that there are far too many "unethical" woundings and kills each year amongst bowhunters, but I do not think that banning the sport is the right thing to do. Archery Hunting has been in my family for many years and we always follow one important rule...if you are not 100% sure you are going to hit the heart, don't shoot. In other words, hunters should be proficient archers before hitting the woods, to be sure they are killing the animal in the most honorable fashion.
elelmhorst 2 years ago
@elelmhorst
1. Yes there is far too many wounded deer and senseless deer suffering because wildlife killers are more concerned with getting the trophy or they just wanted to kill for fun and leave the wounded deer.
2. Its not a "sport" unless the deer have a gun or arrow
3. Animal cruelty should never be a "tradition"
4. 99% of wildlife killers don't care about whether animal suffer or not this I learned from visiting "how to track a wounded deer" website.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
One of the things I have learned from wildlife killers are their foul disgusting mouths.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
A study conducted in california found that deer shot in the chest cavity by a 30-06 expires in about 23.7 seconds and a bowshot to the chest cavity expired in 30 secons. not much of a diffrence. The gunshot deer ra an average of 70 yrds and the bowshot deer never made it over 100. Both are affective management tools. Its all about shot placement and hunter ethics and above all commen sense
greenteam243 2 years ago
I have seen both shot gun and bowkilling and the bowshot animal never goes down fast. Never. In gun shot most does but even those I have seen suffering and agonizing death. Both are horrific but nothing like in bowkilling.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
"mmm" I bet that mad deer diseased carcass is dumped to the pantries.
"Some hunters too squeamish to eat their kill are donating the venison to pantries for the homeless. "
Google "what the government isn't telling you about mad deer disease"
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
As if "hunters" are some kind of "super humans" like 450fox guy thinks..facts are hunt licenses are easy to get..any trigger happy gun nut can get it
checkmybigboobs 2 years ago
Absolutely!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Yea! You just have to complete a hunters education course and take an examinations that is offered by the DCNR. I believe the minimum is sixteen class hours taught by a certified instructor. Of course you have to be in the company of a 21 year old to hunt the WMA. NO! not any trigger happy gun nut can get one. So know the facts! We know your ignorant, now your proving your stupid too.
450fox 2 years ago
Have you ever watched the videos that is on youtube uploaded by bowkillers? There is never a "quick" death and some of the death I have seen is pure evil and horrific. I have also visited some 'hunting' forums one was called 'have you ever shot a deer that been shot before" and proves that so many deer are left wounded , some with serious infection. You are not convincing anyone with your lies.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You just have to have 16 hours of classes and then pass a test about anything and everything that deals with hunting safety and firearms.
450fox 2 years ago
Do you remember that young child shot in the head and died in one of the "sportsman' club? The teach was "teaching" about 'safety".
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
the reason you have to approve these comments is because you want to keep them 1 sided. putting false information into peoples heads. yea, very clever. hunting keeps deer numbers down so you dont hit them with your toyota prius
DeerMurder5 3 years ago
i have taken a lot of deer with my bow and arrow. my kill percentage is about 99 percent. if we hunters dont harvest these deer with guns and bows you would be killing them with your front bumper on your toyota prius. WHAT IS THE KILL PERCENTAGE FOR CAR DEER CRASHES?
DeerMurder5 3 years ago
Deer Vehicle Accident has gone UP as the result of 'hunting'.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
NO! Wrong again. DVA has gone up because there are more cars and people in the world today. Think about it! Use some common sense. Oh wait, you don't have any sense. YOUR A LOOSER
450fox 2 years ago
Deer are deliberately populated to benefit the wildlife killers. I will put a few more link on the video information.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
You stated the animals have no laws to protect them. You need to pick up a rules and regulations book put out by the DCNR every year.
450fox 3 years ago
I guess there must be millions of game warden watching each individual killers doing their killing. Hmm I have not seen game commission with 'hunters' in anyone of the the hundred of video of animals horrific death from 'hunters' on youtube I have watched.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Killers? You don't kill? Why don't you answer my questions about killing. What about that mosquito that lands on your face? All those roaches running around your shack. You kill too. HYPOCRIT
450fox 3 years ago
Absurdity (@450fox
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
i live where the deer car accident rates are the highest in the country the deer get hit and limp off and have to die slow and pain full deaths or with out a some of there lags the best way to kill them is with a bow it is to populated to shoot a gun and the dnr wont let us poison them or fix them
bansheeo01 3 years ago
If thats the case you might as well kill humans too because they too might get into a situation where they will die a slow suffering death. You would never be able to swear on God that you rather die with arrow into your lung then "maybe" get hit by a car because your wish may come true..
What state are you from?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
You think all life is sacred? Wake up to reality and stop dreaming. What are you going to do the next time a mosquito lands on your face? You should slap your face really hard and it might knock some since into you. Don't spray for those termites or roaches running around your shack. (You might kill their sacred lives) Tear down that shack you live in and give the wood that was used to built it back to the animals of the forest. This word describes you best HYPOCRITE. You sacred fool!
450fox 3 years ago
Absurdity is the tactics wildlife killers use when they are losing.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Loosing? I live in the south and the state I live in just bought more land for us hunters to enjoy. We have one of the longest and most generous hunting season of all the states. We just can't get enough of hunting and now we can hunt some species 365 days a year. Wow! Lossing? That would be you LOOSER.
450fox 3 years ago
Lots of killing there so where is this state?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
These are facts. You kill everyday.
450fox 3 years ago
Hmm last I remember I haven't killed a sentient life for "sports".
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
I don't kill for sport either. I provide food for my family. Food that I know is free of steroids. Food that at least had the chance to live a free life and not enclosed in a pen. True I have mounted animals and fish in my den. I consider the ones on my walls trophies. Some are not trophies and are simple on my walls because they were my first. I can recall every detail about those successful hunts. I'm proud to be a hunter and provider of food for my family.
450fox 3 years ago
If its "food" for the families then we can abolish recreational killing (sports and trophy)?
If you consume dairy there are just as many hormones, pesticides and pus and you people do not eat the carcass knowing there is mad deer disease out there. So spare me your "eating meat" excuses. The only people that would eat venison is those who have no choice and they would not be here spouting excuses.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Are you kidding me.. I dont know one hunter that does not eat the venison. You are so wrong on everything you say. You should just shut your mouth and stop making a fool out of yourself. There is nothing more american that deer hunting. I hope your name is true though, because if ALLDEERGO2HEAVEN then when i pass it wont be so bad because I will be able to shoot deer up there to.
skidoosnowmachine 2 years ago
I heard Wildlife killers say that buck meat is not that great so that is where most of the meat is dumped to the pantries. Most of the bowkillers kill the buck deer not the doe so you think you can fool thepublic with your lies but many more are seeing right thru it all.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
68,000 wounded deer was unrecovered by wildlife killers in 2008 season in Wisconsin alone. Imagine the pain and suffering you people have caused to millions of innocent sentient life?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Yes I just "killed" an an ameba lolol
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Losing??? I live in a state where just deer season starts in Oct and runs until the end of January. We are allowed up to two (2) deer every day of the season. That comes to over two hundred deer a year for hunters in my state. Losing? That would be you.
450fox 3 years ago
I think it would be more then 200 murdered deer don't you think ?
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
AAAAHHHH!! Man haters club.....What a big surprise...ha-ha..
1957stan 3 years ago
Nope. Evil wildlife killers haters club.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
And you are a stupid man
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Put down the tofu and eat some free range, all natural, organic venison.
450fox 3 years ago
come now we know you are dumping the mad deer diseased carcass to the pantries. You all try to use that meat excuses but we know better. 'Hunters for hungry" exist so wildlife killers can buy more tags to kill more deer for there is a place to "give" the bodies after you destroy them for "sports".
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Yeah that is what your man corrupted bible says but you ignore all the other evils in the bible.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
I hunt with crossbow, I've hit 3 deer but only recovered one. I feel bad about it, and I may stop hunting eventually. But I do enjoy shooting bows and guns and being out in the woods. I have mixed feelings about it but I don't like to BS. Hunting isn't about keeping populations down, it's about enjoying hunting. Deer were nearly extinct in Maryland until they were reintroduced for the purpose of hunting.
curea229 3 years ago
At least you are honest. Thank you
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
omg
sunnskyy 3 years ago
I accidentaly deleted a comment about God and persmission to eat meat. Flesh eating was only granted after the flood and because the fall of man. God regretted the and promised never to bring another again. God wanted the flesh eating to end and Jesus came to fulful that promise. He wanted to abolish flesh eating and teach about eating for inner peace and taught about love and non-kill of all life animals included.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Please watch the video about Mad deer disease and pantries. These people could give a damn what kind of diseased infested carcass they give to the pantries so long as they had their "fun" of destroying life and/or getting their trophy
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
You people use the word "harvest" like they are plants you just "pluck" them off the ground. These are living sentient being that feel terror, pain and suffering. They do not want to die that is why they run. Plant is at the end of their life when we harvest them the deer had many many more years to live but you cut them down short. What you all do is killing plain and simple. Not 'hunting' and not "harvesting' but killing!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
Killing is a part of hunting. Without killing it wouldn't be hunting would it? Killing is a very small part of hunting. You think all hunters and mindless and barbaric, but you (as usual) are wrong. You have no clue what goes into hunting or why we do it.
450fox 3 years ago
'Hunters' today sit in their cowardly tree stand waiting for the animals to come to them and then you kill, there is no "hunting' involved. Yes its very barbaric and by your comment I can see you truly enjoy your heartless sadistic act towards innocent sentient life.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
You think all hunters sit in tree stands. Wrong! (again) Some hunters use dogs, You think no hunting is involved. Wrong (again) When I set foot in the woods the odds are very much in favor of the animals I pursue. They have better eye sight, hearing, all their senses are far superior than any persons. Your think my acts are heartless and sadistic (WRONG) You think animals are innocent (WRONG) they are tasty not innocent. HYPOCRITE
450fox 3 years ago
Still have to use dogs, lure, stands, and weapons for your "sports".
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
We still have to listen to you whine. We still have to use our intellect to invent tools to help us better accomplish our goals. We're still sitting on the top of the food chain because of our intelligence, but you want to knock us down to the bottom because of your inability to grasp the fact that we are hunters. That is just how we are.
450fox 2 years ago
You can live in your own little fantasy world that man is at "the top of the food chain" but they are not. "Top of the food chain" would be the carnivores and the true omnivores of the wild that can kill and eat their the meat without the gadgets and weapons that man uses. Without them all you be as defenseless as a little bunny rabbit.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Maybe you should take a history leason in biology. Humans are at the top of the food chain, not because of our speed, strenght or teeth, but because of our brain. No other animal is as smart as us, no other animal can desieve like we can. We in a way are also animals, but much more sophisticated, which alowed us to evolve, and continue to evolve. If we were at the bottom of the food chain as you imply, we would not be here anymore. And yes all deer do goto heaven, but first to my freezer.
mecostacounty 2 years ago
Man is the only species that could never survive without all that manufactured made crap. Spare me your 'brain" and "top of the food chain" BS that is why there are so many 'hunting' accidents where 'hunters' mistaken another for a turkey or a deer lol!!
ALLdeersgo2heaven 2 years ago
Im a hunter and dam proud of it. i eat everything i kill. i havent gotten sick once from eating venison. its cleaner than anything you will get at a store. the only. The only thing that has been done wrong here is that a hunter hasnt put an arrow through your lungs yet.
paintb250 3 years ago
Who are you kidding? Bowhunting is one of the most effective, quickest and cleanest ways to kill deer, all forms of hunting and even market killing deer involve blood loss, what other way would there be to die? This study is over 10 years old and no longer relevent......I can tell you I have killed more than 25 deer with Bow and Arrow and have only unrecovered 2, how many have tree huggers like you hit with thier beemers or subarus and never found????
lungbuster12point06 3 years ago
I have seen the video on youtube uploaded by wildlife killers and about 90% of the deer that got hit is not "quick" death. The arrow hits the body and they run, I have seen several videos of bow killed deer (even shot gun) but mostly bowhit deer thrashing in pain some crying. It breaks my heart that these animals have to die this way because some human scums feel the need to destroy life maybe because they an angry nobodies and feel need to take it out on living creatures.
ALLdeersgo2heaven 3 years ago
This is rediculous. I really wish I could pour my heart out on this one - but unforunately the post never makes it there beause I point out exactly what you are and it doesn't approve the text. Lies... can be posted... truth... well... we'll just not put that up.
MKEGuy80 3 years ago