The west needs to be persicuted too for it to grow in charactor and perseverance; but how can it when most in the west choose to compromise their faith to live a comfortable life?
Good video- wish it had been longer with more detail. Thanks for your work and Jamesliljim is right when he comments that this information is not freely available in the mass media.
In conclusion, this is a very sad situation and video but none the less...if we were able to get these videos that contain FACTS more out in the open. Such as there was, when many countries went through Earthquakes which killed thousands. The outpour and support would be greater 10 fold.
Its easy to blame GOD...but as humans we are his soldiers and believing in something is not only something of FreeWill but also a Human Rights Issue. Sad Situation...lets keep focused on what American Idon won
Why is this News in the "Forums" and Independent News Sources.. Ex, Youtube. Why is it, that this news is not in the open? Mass Media, News Papers, Local World Newpapers, Or Local World blogs...stating this information.
For example, I think I recall reading something about Prosecution of Christians or Shunning them...but it was on Digg.com a Site. That is based on Users putting up the News. Articles cannot always be cited and view with high standards given where it came from.
@mattmadla That is a pretty sick God to allow his kids to suffer and die for helping "his word" be spread. I do not condone the actions of those countries, but many of those are religious countries battling against your religion. Should not promote them to instigate their defenses, promoting them to suffer and die for your own bloody cause. It makes me utterly, physically sick.
in others like Eritrea (next to Pakistan) where 47% of the population belongs to Coptic Orthodox Christians , Catholics or Lutherans...so you need to define either the term "Christians " or you should specify what denomination of Christianity are we talking about?..ther wise this is miss- information in a grand scale !
Well, in most cases the listing is accurate enough, but on some cases you seem to lose information of the term "harsh treatment"---Pakistan is equally as dangerous as Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia for Christians...
Thank you so much for sending this video on my email add. I just couldn't express in words how much reminder and encouragement it gives me to make the most of every opportunity to share this faith I have in Jesus and commiserate with those who are suffering and remember them in prayer. If someday God puts me in a situation where proclaiming His Son Jesus costs my life I hope my faith would turn out as pure gold and not just a cheap metal. I hope these videos raise awareness to all Christians.
@ChristoMafesto according to Einstein, Science is the latest state of the error.
If you blame religion for human tragedy, likewise don' forget Hiroshima and now Fukushima, showing precisely where human haughtiness without guidance will lead.
Both - science and spitiutality - have their own justification, as long as the principle of the freedom of the mind is respected.
@nevernohijab Science never killed anyone unless it's natural, if its any way perpetuated by humans it is not science at fault, if the leadership fails then the science is used against the people because of poor guidance, religion is the method people use to control that. With so many fragmented types of religion and forms of social control, it is also logical and intuitive to think friction will only come from this, then science which is the real truth is used against different belief systems.
@cshook123 Who makes the nuclear weapons? if you have a knife it does not mean you stab someone with it. Lord ignorance. This is the flaw in the logic most religion feeds it's people, you have you're right to believe what you like. Right now, we know science is reality. Nuclear weapons are used by corrupt, tyrant leaders who are in return most probably killing in the name of their god or their belief/agenda, Do NOT blame earths gifts and do NOT blame science for the failure of people.
@cshook123 I have been trying not to insult you're intelligence, but you just prove what I've been saying. If you make a weapon ( implying a human or someone with the knowledge to make it ) and intend to use it some day the situation arises. I agree with you 180% you have no argument with me there. What you fail to admit is that it's a human flaw that the intention is/was there. Science did not build that weapon, the knowledge of the person who intended to use that weapon did. Big difference.
@cshook123 If i craft you a knife and tell you to use it to skin fish with, you then decide after skinning 200 fish that you could quite easily hold that knife to another mans throat demanding he give you his skinned fish, who's the sick one? If you're argument is that "there will always be conflict" therefor science is deadly in the wrong hands. What needs fixing? Humanity ? More religion ? No more science? Science is abused by us the real parasite on earth. We are destroying ourselves here.
@ChristoMafesto You are from a different Country and grew up in a different time than I did. In the Cold War Russia had nuclear weapons pointed at the US and the US had weapons pointed at Russia. You always lived in fear that a nuclear war would break out and it almost happened several times.
@cshook123 But that is what I am saying, the conflict was not cause by the science, the conflict was caused by the people, science was and has always been a tool, in just the same ways guns and bombs are used as tools to kill people. I may be in a country that doesn't understand conflict and might have grown up in different times, but i still understand that no matter what caused human death, it did not come from science, it came from our flaws in humanity, religion is one of those dividers.
@nevernohijab The day that people have their epiphany they will realize they don't need a belief system to tell them right from wrong, to guide them to be moral. Mass media, religion, politics are all forms of control over the population, to keep them at bay, smart enough to keep the machines and systems in operation by just dumb enough not to figure it all out for themselves, this is where hope in religion comes from.
Having said that, people are free to do and believe as they like. Freedom.
@ChristoMafesto what then will guide us with regard to right from wrong? This is not only a rhethorical question. Where will your parameters come from?
I am seruiously curious about your answer.
Having said that, I believe that any ideology - religious or not - can be used to oppress people.
@ChristoMafesto I'm a Registered Nurse and have studied science for years. It never did anything for me. Soon science won't be able to explain the things going on the world. Earthquakes will happen in places Science will never explain. In fact Science has more theories than it does fact. I 'm also not talking about a Religion but a relationship with Christ. God is not logical to humans and never will be. Its spiritual.
@cshook123 Are you serious? With all due respect since your a nurse so you see life in it's most fragile form. You say you have studied science and it did nothing for you, it's not meant to do anything for you, it's meant to give you the blunt truths about life, in it's atomic and subatomic realms. Earthquakes are caused because we have a solid iron nickel around that filled with molten lava and radioactive material under plates under pressure, no bull it will happen everywhere eventually...
@ChristoMafesto Jesus said my peace I leave with you. Not as the world gives but my peace I leave with you. So that when the world is falling apart you can still have peace within. Its not enslavement but peace. Science can never give you that.
They whimper and whine even when they are treated well! CNN is having a special talk about how Muslims persecution in the West!!! It is all too pathetic. The Muslim world has received over $10 Trillion in aid sine the 1970. How has that worked out? Has not translated into anything positive or even good will. Maybe they should start working and stop focusing on hate and killing. Maybe they should add another pillar to Islam and make it “you must be a whiner, terrorist, and moocher”
So much things to say i don't know where to start, Muslims keep shouting for the killings of muslims by christians during the crusades but those of peaceful christians killed by them & by mohammad personally much before & after the crusades till this day by far exceeds it, yet while we have to welcome them, treat them as one of us in our countries they KILL our Christian brethren in their countries, then they start whining about iraq & afghanistan? as if islam never invaded Europe 3 times.
The truth shall set you free my friends. Open Doors speaks the truth. The pagan religions of the world are the work of lucifer (satan). The pagan moon god allah is a lie from the king of liars. GoodPersonTESTcom
All religions are very dangerous. Remember the Spanish Inquisition. Christians, torturing and killing people of other religions. America would be just as dangerous if it were not for separation of church and state. The world would be so much better off without such delusions. Unfortunately, as long as there are ignorant people, there will be religion. Educated people need no gods. They have reasoning and self reliance. I salute the freethinkers. Religion is the opium of the world.
@buddybleau The idea that the Catholic Church was willy-nilly killing people during the Spanish Inquistion is a canard. Rather it was the Church's attempt to apply Canon law (an adoption of Roman Law) to what had been indiscriminate persecutions by CIVIL leaders. Punishments were carried out by CIVIL leaders. BTW Christianity/ Judiasm that leads us to the one truth. Free thinkers would reject athiesm and its relativistic underpinnings as illusionary therefore harmful to society (MAO anyone?).
@buddybleau Ok Ill bite, what specifically was wrong with my analysis? You seem to have a great amount of certitude so pulling apart my argument should be quite easy for you. Please use specifics as I dont want to miss any of your enlightened analysis.
@buddybleau That is unfortunate, I was hoping to benefit from your insight, how am I going to convert my friends to atheism if I dont have your persuasive words?
its cuz everyone blaims the christans for there problems.. this is the result of forcing your faith on the world during the 1500s to the early 1900s its simply not something pepole will willingly adher to, im muslim and i can easly and honestly say its a shame and at times, disgusting to see fallowers of god treated like this. but its simply a cause and affect thing. i would love to help, but its not me in power to do so.
If I'm not mistaken (I'm actually not sure) people in those countries aren't oppressed for their belief but because their lack of belief. For an example in Muslim countries they're not oppressed for their Christian faith but because they lack the Islamic faith. And in North Korea they're not oppressed for being Christian but because they don't worship the government.
So saying that the Christians are the only victims is hypocritical.
@PllSteinar Christians are most definitely NOT the only victims of violence in these nations, but they are the most frequent victims. Christians are actively sought out, whereas all other religious minorities are safe as long as they can avoid a chance encounter with a member of the majority. Exceptions made for Jews living in the Muslim world, but that has far more to do with an ancient family feud than with faith.
@PllSteinar This isn't meant to earn your sympathy. It's meant for us, to call us to prayer and to action. If your mother calls everyone in the family to tell them your father was diagnosed with cancer, is she playing the victim? Or is she simply looking for support from those whom she naturally expects would be the first to give it?
Really? If it isn't meant to earn my sypathy then why is it that this video has been shared with me by four different users? All of them telling me to pray for Christians? WHY?!
It's really annoying when Christians keep posting these videos and telling me to watch them. If you guys don't tell me to watch them I'll not comment on how bad it is but if you constantly share these videos with me then I'll speak my mind.
@PllSteinar I only share videos like these with people like you as a means of demonstrating how childish it is to wallow in self-pity. Here in the west people of all faiths and belief systems constantly whine that they're being "persecuted" when someone makes fun of them, or even disagrees with them. Take for instance the atheists' constant accusations that Christians "attack science," or their claim that ours is the most violent religion. You have NO CLUE what religious violence is!
@PllSteinar I personally don't expect prayer from the likes of you. What I do ask for is RESPECT for these people, because they deserve it. And if you ever have the opportunity to stand up for religious freedom, do so. Religious oppression is very real. While there's not much a desk jockey like yourself can do to help physically, you need to at least support the cause of those fighting for freedom. Christians die as much for your freedom as they do their own.
Where I come from religion is a personal thing and openly preaching is taboo. I have friends who are Christians (liberal Christians) and I don't tell them that I think their faith is childish because what they believe in is theirs to choose.
However when people preach and talk about how I as a pagan am going to hell and talk about how everyone who's not Christian is a bad person I speak my mind.
@PllSteinar And you're free to speak your mind to whomever you please, as am I. One of the purposes of these videos is to make the western watcher appreciate the freedom we do have. And one of the ways to appreciate your own freedom is to stand alongside the oppressed and fight to share that freedom with them.
@PllSteinar That and getting free Christians to pray are the main purposes of the video. And, as this video clearly demonstrates, Christians are more often the oppressed, not the oppressors. Name me one place in the entire world where religious minorities are being hunted and killed by Christians, and I'll eat John Rockerduck's hat.
In America and the southern part of Africa where the Christians are the majority other religious minorities and homosexuals are often oppressed.
And don't forget that during the middle ages the Christian dictators such as the pope used Christianity to controle the people and those who didn't convert were killed. But I have to admit that their tactic of changing the Jewish faith into a more pagan like religion was quite brilliant. Made it easier for pagans to convert.
@PllSteinar See, this is what I mean. I say I disagree with the movement to legalize same-sex marriage and you immediately cry, "Oppressor!" It's like something out of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I have never advocated or supported violence against homosexuals, and I have never even preached hatred for them. There exists only a very small handful of people who do those things. Homosexuals are not underground. They are not being arrested or forced to convert. They have their freedom.
@PllSteinar And you don't forget that the middle ages were a matter of corrupt leadership within the church that led to those who called for reform and revival being burned at the stake as heretics. Martin Luther was not a pagan. William Tyndale was not a Muslim. John Huss was not an atheist.
These days Muslims kill each other as well. But it's over land disputes rather than ideology. And both parties fight vehemently, whereas Tyndale prayed for his persecutors.
Christianity is a tool that is used to controle people. In the Bible there are passages that preach peace and love that make it attractive but it also has passages that preach hate and violence that Christians use to justify their actions.
And it's true that Muslims kill each other over land disputes rather than ideology but Islam is also a tool used to justify their actions.
Same goes for the pope in the middle ages.
Can we stop this argument now? It's getting boring.
@PllSteinar What hateful passages and what hateful actions? Especially today. Christianity went through a 500-year dark age, but we eventually recovered. Islam has been in their dark age from the get go.
Christians in America often play the "persecution" card when they don't get their way - take the issue of gay marriage as an example. Or when atheists put a sign on a bus. Or any number of other fairly innocuous things.
Those people should watch videos like this more often, to learn the difference.
Anyone ever find it funny how WAY back when.. when someone claimed some super natural being spoke to them and 'created' so and so religion. .they got praised and became a 'prophet'
Someone does that nowadays.. they either just get ignored or locked away in the loony bin :I
Not sure this is a serious comment about letting people believe what they want is ok..
Ill take it so, yes for sure we can let people believe what they want, but their freedom to believe they can swing their arm ENDS AT YOUR NOSE!
Belief in anything is ok until you want to teach children dumb things like the earth is 6000 years old or that woman should be covered up and not have a vote or that condoms are evil or that its ok to stone adultorers.
@Scanini Yea I'm serious I just made a lil joke with it. People should have freedom to their beliefs though. No one should impose their beliefs on anyone by force or taxation.
@AtarahDerek Then we have never had a scientific explanation for it have we...
You people do not seem to think before you comment.
I asked name ONE thing we used to have a scientific explanation for and now we use a religious one and you answer with "..but science has never been able to answer the question of why life is"
But to answer your question some questions are just silly, WHY is there blue?!
...and if thats the best you can do then you lose any credulity.
The relentless march on knowledge is ONE WAY traffic, we do not have religious explanations of the universe that are unassaltable, the further you go back into time the larger the circles of knowledge relgion monopolised.
Your power and domination of the human mind is shrinking, most intelligent people are moving away from religion and only the "children" of its indoctrination remain.
and with your kind permission, I will base myself on my experience with prayer and a relationship with god and many great miracles in my life that more than once saved me from death.
And if you feel entitled to judge it, well, just be aware that 75% of the universe you can't even perceive, as it is so-called dark matter...
I will follow my road unimpressed. And if being right makes you so happy:
@nevernohijab You do not have a "relationship" with a god.
Personal experience is not a good reason for anyone else to believe what you are claiming.
Dark matter is matter not undectable, its presence has effects the gravitational effect on the visible universe. We cannot show what it is yet but we can see its effects on the universe. This is why science is the only way to discover its source.
what I am saying about my faith and belief, you can take it or leave it, really. I believe in a God that granted people a free will and gave them total responsibility for their lives.
@nevernohijab But yet you believe in a theology that admonishes the individuals responsibility, that a murderer or rapist and come to jesus and has his sins forgiven.
Even if your god was REAL and i would not deny a god that has good evidence, if he was real and let people get away with crimes against humanity just because they accepted jesus into their life i would be sickened by it.
I see catholic priests moved aound diosises and there crimes go unpunished, sick and twisted is religion.
so you believe that the concepts of mercy and grace are disgusting?
(I doubt if the thugs of the catholic church are really Christian. Looks often like they belong to another cult, a very black one, where sexual abuse on a massive scale is used to produce multiple personalities for whatever purpose. You know, conscience is a very strong force that can be used for many things. Not all of them are good. But denying that these forces exist will not help)
If you show mercy and grace to those that clearly do not deserve it then yea its disgusting.
For example, your god forgives and lets into heaven a child raping murderer.
Your god burns and tortures forver someone for intellectual honesty.
This is not grace or mercy at all, the one unforgivable sin is not accepting jesus as your saviour, and i utterly reject this patsy on all counts, even if all of your mythology was 100% i would still reject it. It is not morale or a good theology.
@nevernohijab Of course i can "take or leave" what you say. It wether you want me to believe in what your are saying or wether you care if something is true or not.
If you dont care wether your beliefs are true or wether i and others believe you then our dialogue is done.
@Scanini I am not as arrogant as to believe that any human is in possession of any absolute truth...I am struggling to find mine, and it's hard enough. But basing myself on mechanistic worldview alone because there is no'scientific' proof for a higher paradigm, no.
You need to be aware, among other things, that your 'scientific' paradigms are very limited tools.
@nevernohijab I agree with you, they are limited, but they are the BEST we have for a path to truth.
Scientific understandings CHANGE, this is their strength. One time we believed the earth was the center of the universe, now this belief could not have changed anymore over the last 4-500 years, we so insignificant to the universe on a whole it is mind boggingly unbelievable.
Science is all we got that we can be sure of, its the best path to whats real and whats not.
Be aware, that presently, phenomena like remote viewing and telepathy are being explored, with the most surprising answers. Check into it yourself, The currency of the universe is communication.
And with regard to forgiveness: No, condemnation is necessary to protect the human society, but it can't be the last word for any human.
I recommend doing some voluntary work in a jail and see the tragedies behind man's evil.
The jails are filled with Christians, i think the last report from Gallap was 92% of criminals inside today are of the christian denomination with 5% Muslim 2% other and less than 1% Atheist. (USA)
I know how bad christians can be, trust me.
Telepathy may exist, i dont know, i will read papers on them if they come up for peer review in the many scientific sites i am registered too.
If there is a way of demonstrating a phenomona such as telepathy existing i will believe it exists.
Plus, check into yoga and other eastern techniques and find out what the mind can achieve in a human body and in general. 'these people are not crazy and their techniques are ancient. They now receive a scientific basis from quantum physics.
Meditating your mind into an alternate state, altering your perception of reality.
Your mind is a powerful thing, it can alter your perception of reality if you mess with it too much, getting into such a state that your perception of being in your own body changers etc is only proof that the mind can be fooled.
Science works by having testable event, something real that can give the possibility of making predictions, the better the framework for making the prediction the better the theory.
No it isnt, Quantum physics is not understood by ANYONE and certainly not you, if you think you understand Quantum physics then you dont understand Quantum physics.
Quantum strangeness is why i think we have freewill, any choice is not set until it is observed, both events are played out.
If you insert (any all knowing god) into play then you cannot have this effect.
Freewill disappears as something cannot know the outcome of an event then have power to change the event.
@Scanini I am not trying to convince you to believe anything you don't want to believe.
All I am sayng is: If you take your intellect so darn serios, you will not get very far.
And yes, we ARE spoiled and take freedom of opinion for granted. Maybe you should live in fear for a while in a country where that isn't the case (it's not the cases in most countries of the world).
Do you actually agree that it is my right to follow my belief, whatever it is?
@nevernohijab Mankind has been arouns ALOT longer than stonehenge.
I can accept a force of conviction or an attitude of self belief or a feeling of oneness with the universe. However this DOES NOT mean that there are spiritual forces or supernatural powers at work.
First prove a spirit actually exists THEN claim it has effects and tell us all exactly what it is. Because all i see is a brain state of feeling, which is TOTALLY contingent on a brain existing in the first place...
@nevernohijab My ability or inability to answer this question is irrelevent.
I AM intellectually honest when i say i do not know how consciousness actually appeared in our species, im sure it has evolved over millions of years but i am no biologist.
How ever i know 100% you do not know either, and if you tried to make out that the brain evolving a higher state of reasoning is down to supernatural reasons then i will call you out for being stupid.
Then all you have is an argument from incredulity.
You agree with me that there is no such thing as the supernatural.
I have no idea what you mean by the "divine" in life.
Faith is belief withour evidence or in the face of contrary evidence, no you are right, this is not for me.
I will continue to judge those people claiming supernatural forces as silly UNTIL they prove that the supernatural force exists, then they are not silly and i am reading a paper on what it actually is.
@nevernohijab The problem is when those that believe in a god fly into buildings or blow themselves up on buses.
I will insult and ridicule beliefs in the supernatural. Or in gods.
There is a growing movement of people that have had enough of relgion and its sickening cults.
Your time is coming to an end.. The age of reason and enlightenment must come or we may decend back into the cultural and geocentric past we came from.
@Scanini People who flew into the buidilgns was doing it for their country and their beliefs. yet they were lied to not by G-d but by man. The growing movement is a bunch of assholes with nothing but hatred in their hearts for their fellow man who don't think like them.l that's all it is scanini. when will you let go of hatred.
The people that flew into those buildings or that blow themselves up believe 100% they are rightious. You think you have a right religion that god is on your side that you believe in whats true.
Just stop for one moment and understand these people think YOU have been lied too and that you follow the false religion.
It becomes blindingly obvious when you take a step back that you are BOTH wrong and gods are mans invention not man gods invention.
@nevernohijab Not at all, you (as all the devious and snake oil selling chalatons before you) strawman my position to make it look different to what it is.
I do not declare absolute truth.
With the recent discoveries in quantum theory i do not think there is anything like absolute truth. Uncertainty seems the fabric of reality.
I also do not want atheism taught in schools, this would be madness as atheism is the rejection of a claim, like teaching kids the man in the moon does not exist
@Scanini the recent discoveries in quantum theory show exactly this: there is no absolute truth, not even in the scientific sense, because the observer has an impact on results...
...and no indoctrination of the child in pre school, when the child gets to school and learns about the many different religions of the world he is free to choose the one he wants too.
Ask youself this, its it coincidence that 95% of all religious people SHARE the same religion as their parents?
If this does not wake you up to the fact its all crap then nothing will.
I know im not goping to change your mind but maybe those readin this.
@Scanini first: introducing a child to not believing is also an indoctrination.
Second: If you want to discard something because its abuse has detrimental effects, science should have been discarded a long time ago (refer to Hiroshima)
and thirdly, if you do not declare absolute truth, let others believe as they want.
But Last and Most >Important: others' beliefs are none of your business.
@Scanini when you try to claim that what you consider reality is what everybody else has to believe to, although we know that in two hundred years none of your maximes will be valid any longer, then we have a problem.
I repeat: what others believe is none of your business.
@nevernohijab When believers attach high explosive to their bodies and blow them selves up on buses its my business. In my friends case LITERALLY he is a bomb disposal expert.
The suicide bombing community is almost entirely religious.
You can say well these people are not real believers etc, but i think different i think these people believe what is being taught to them more fervently and truthfully than you.
These people ARE the truie believers, you just give them credulity.
@Scanini True - while most humanists are atheists, not all atheists are humanists. However I would rather say that humanists are a denomination of atheist cult. Denominations of atheism include Rationalists, Humanists, God Haters, Communists, Naturalists, agnostics, weirdos, and Forteans -which are you?
They also include freethinkers, rational and logical thinkers, scientists and teachers etc...
Atheism is not a cult, it is a rejection of a claim a god exists. Thats it. You can be any of the above and more!
All an atheist has in common with other atheists is that they both reject the claim a god exists, 99% of the time because the evidence put forward by the person making the claim is so WEAK!
You can try but you will fail to make atheism out to be anything but a rejection of a claim.
@Scanini Atheism is the cult of western pampered civilisation, The cult eventually effects the culture and this is why europeans are now depopulating themselves from europe thanks to the cult of atheism ie promotion of abortions, homosexuality, chasing materialism, seeing children as a burden = low non replacement fertility rates = europeans will become aboringines thanks to the studipity of atheism.
@Thechristiancullen You really are dumb, it is such a move forward to not have people like you in charge of our species anymore.
To have these views and be in charge of people lives would such a huge step backward for our civilization. You sir are a bigot, a racist, a chauvanist, a homophobe, and just basically a stupid person.
Ridicule is our only weapon against people like you and we will wield it to its utmost power.
Your time is over, keep whineing and QQing, but we have moved on.
@nevernohijab These countries you talk about are backward, mostly run by theocrats or mad idealogical communisist states. Modern society has moved on, thus i believe that freedom to ridicule religion IS a right too.
I DO NOT have to show the same respect to what you believe deserves respect. Some beliefs are stupid and should be called stupid.
Believing in a god/s is stupid. There is zero evidence for it and what there is only lends itself to reason why you SHOULDNT believe in it.
Once again North Korea tops the list. I wonder if that will ever change? And if it does, will it be because they let up on the Christians, or because another country managed to become even more oppressive?
@nevernohijab no religion has started more wars, commited more acts of genocide, then christianity, that is why my friend, your religous hate club, is scum
yeah, the Christians world over are persecuted while Muslim countries are invaded, occupied and oppress and then persecuted by the same Christian nations. Fox is crying that the lamb is attacking and trying to eat it. Very funny.
@voiceofreasoning The muslim countries "invaded" by the Christian countries are still free to practice Islam. Christianity existed in the Middle East before Islam did and yet the Muslims took over and violently forced the conversion of the people. To this day they persecute the descendants of those ancient Christians who have kept their faith for all these generations.
No Christian, no Jews, no Hindus or any other people can even dream that they can force Muslims to not to practice Islam. Well, Muslims did not forced anyone to convert to Islam because we have the verses in the Qur'an which forbid converting people to Islam by force. If Islam forced people to convert then today 90% of the Indians would be Muslims and India would have been a Muslim country. Please stop smoking grass.
Well, it is myth if you believe that because the Christians vote for Secular government to invade and oppress and occupy. George Bush said he invaded because Jesus told him so. Christianity has no soul and it is a walking corpse.
@voiceofreasoning invading and occupying and oppressing is not a specialty of any one people, unfortunatel, it is also integral part of muslim history. George Bush is a thug that faked belief and religion to get to the hearts of honest and believing people. When he announced the war in Iraq, about 5 million Europeans demonstrated in the streets of London, Berlin and Paris. Nobody listened to us. Now America is in debts for this war to its chin, while rich people make profit from poor peopledying
In the past Christians have committed more crimes and atrocities and don't forget Crusade of old and new in the name of the Bible. Today's world invasion and occupations are continued by the Jewish and Christian Crusaders.
@voiceofreasoning What is interesting is that the Crusades were a response to Alexious I plea to save Constantinople from the Sultanate of Rum (Islam) You also seem to omit the Islamic aggression from the early 7th century onwards. The Crusades were a delayed reaction to that aggression. Does not a culture have the right to defend itself?
@shootermacgavin Nicely done! Could not have said it better myself. When you study the history, it is revolting. They love to try and paint it as if they were tolerant and peaceful but the facts show otherwise. Despite more often then not being expansionist and offensive, don't Muslims try and defend jihad as a defensive measure. One of the last noble things left in the world it to declare yourself a persecuted Muslim in the West or blowing youself up
@voiceofreasoning Crusade of old was the Christian defense against Muslims denying Christians access to their holy sites.
You know, once Muslims were the masters of the world, subjugating and plundering nation after nation. Today, they whimper and whine when others do likewise.
Yeah Secular armies are the Christians and the Secular governments and Church go hand in hand and also the Christians vote their governments too. So the Christians are responsible in killing and oppressing.
Hey everyone, take a look at this asshole troll named "Scanini." These retarded atheists are so blind, no matter how many facts you present to their faces, they will never listen.
He's a mentally unstable person. He's lost his mind. Not only do these atheists have extremely low IQ's but they seem to be fragile as well.
The west needs to be persicuted too for it to grow in charactor and perseverance; but how can it when most in the west choose to compromise their faith to live a comfortable life?
footandtoe123 2 months ago
Good video- wish it had been longer with more detail. Thanks for your work and Jamesliljim is right when he comments that this information is not freely available in the mass media.
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youneekk 7 months ago
In conclusion, this is a very sad situation and video but none the less...if we were able to get these videos that contain FACTS more out in the open. Such as there was, when many countries went through Earthquakes which killed thousands. The outpour and support would be greater 10 fold.
Its easy to blame GOD...but as humans we are his soldiers and believing in something is not only something of FreeWill but also a Human Rights Issue. Sad Situation...lets keep focused on what American Idon won
Jamesliljim 9 months ago
Why is this News in the "Forums" and Independent News Sources.. Ex, Youtube. Why is it, that this news is not in the open? Mass Media, News Papers, Local World Newpapers, Or Local World blogs...stating this information.
For example, I think I recall reading something about Prosecution of Christians or Shunning them...but it was on Digg.com a Site. That is based on Users putting up the News. Articles cannot always be cited and view with high standards given where it came from.
Jamesliljim 9 months ago
@mattmadla That is a pretty sick God to allow his kids to suffer and die for helping "his word" be spread. I do not condone the actions of those countries, but many of those are religious countries battling against your religion. Should not promote them to instigate their defenses, promoting them to suffer and die for your own bloody cause. It makes me utterly, physically sick.
PatronizingBastard 10 months ago
Book of James clearly tells us to Help the Bretheren who are in prison, beaten, poor, homeless, and without neccesities.
"When you have done it to the least of these bretheren you have done it unto Me"
Superficial Christianity says me first in everything and never or rarely considers those who are hurting!
Then don't wonder why you don't see God's blessings, His Holy Spirit in our lives!
Live is short Death is calling us all to our common destiny!
bobisnohere1 10 months ago
in others like Eritrea (next to Pakistan) where 47% of the population belongs to Coptic Orthodox Christians , Catholics or Lutherans...so you need to define either the term "Christians " or you should specify what denomination of Christianity are we talking about?..ther wise this is miss- information in a grand scale !
moges720 11 months ago
Well, in most cases the listing is accurate enough, but on some cases you seem to lose information of the term "harsh treatment"---Pakistan is equally as dangerous as Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia for Christians...
moges720 11 months ago
Thank you for sharing this video.
BrettValentine 11 months ago
Thank you so much for sending this video on my email add. I just couldn't express in words how much reminder and encouragement it gives me to make the most of every opportunity to share this faith I have in Jesus and commiserate with those who are suffering and remember them in prayer. If someday God puts me in a situation where proclaiming His Son Jesus costs my life I hope my faith would turn out as pure gold and not just a cheap metal. I hope these videos raise awareness to all Christians.
SHANNAnheia14 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto according to Einstein, Science is the latest state of the error.
If you blame religion for human tragedy, likewise don' forget Hiroshima and now Fukushima, showing precisely where human haughtiness without guidance will lead.
Both - science and spitiutality - have their own justification, as long as the principle of the freedom of the mind is respected.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab Science never killed anyone unless it's natural, if its any way perpetuated by humans it is not science at fault, if the leadership fails then the science is used against the people because of poor guidance, religion is the method people use to control that. With so many fragmented types of religion and forms of social control, it is also logical and intuitive to think friction will only come from this, then science which is the real truth is used against different belief systems.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto Science actually will bring us to WW III. Nuclear weapons are made from science.
cshook123 11 months ago
@cshook123 Who makes the nuclear weapons? if you have a knife it does not mean you stab someone with it. Lord ignorance. This is the flaw in the logic most religion feeds it's people, you have you're right to believe what you like. Right now, we know science is reality. Nuclear weapons are used by corrupt, tyrant leaders who are in return most probably killing in the name of their god or their belief/agenda, Do NOT blame earths gifts and do NOT blame science for the failure of people.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto If you make a weapon you intend to use it some day if the situation arises. That's what weapon means.
cshook123 11 months ago
@cshook123 I have been trying not to insult you're intelligence, but you just prove what I've been saying. If you make a weapon ( implying a human or someone with the knowledge to make it ) and intend to use it some day the situation arises. I agree with you 180% you have no argument with me there. What you fail to admit is that it's a human flaw that the intention is/was there. Science did not build that weapon, the knowledge of the person who intended to use that weapon did. Big difference.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@cshook123 If i craft you a knife and tell you to use it to skin fish with, you then decide after skinning 200 fish that you could quite easily hold that knife to another mans throat demanding he give you his skinned fish, who's the sick one? If you're argument is that "there will always be conflict" therefor science is deadly in the wrong hands. What needs fixing? Humanity ? More religion ? No more science? Science is abused by us the real parasite on earth. We are destroying ourselves here.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto You are from a different Country and grew up in a different time than I did. In the Cold War Russia had nuclear weapons pointed at the US and the US had weapons pointed at Russia. You always lived in fear that a nuclear war would break out and it almost happened several times.
cshook123 11 months ago
@cshook123 But that is what I am saying, the conflict was not cause by the science, the conflict was caused by the people, science was and has always been a tool, in just the same ways guns and bombs are used as tools to kill people. I may be in a country that doesn't understand conflict and might have grown up in different times, but i still understand that no matter what caused human death, it did not come from science, it came from our flaws in humanity, religion is one of those dividers.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@nevernohijab The day that people have their epiphany they will realize they don't need a belief system to tell them right from wrong, to guide them to be moral. Mass media, religion, politics are all forms of control over the population, to keep them at bay, smart enough to keep the machines and systems in operation by just dumb enough not to figure it all out for themselves, this is where hope in religion comes from.
Having said that, people are free to do and believe as they like. Freedom.
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto what then will guide us with regard to right from wrong? This is not only a rhethorical question. Where will your parameters come from?
I am seruiously curious about your answer.
Having said that, I believe that any ideology - religious or not - can be used to oppress people.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto I'm a Registered Nurse and have studied science for years. It never did anything for me. Soon science won't be able to explain the things going on the world. Earthquakes will happen in places Science will never explain. In fact Science has more theories than it does fact. I 'm also not talking about a Religion but a relationship with Christ. God is not logical to humans and never will be. Its spiritual.
cshook123 11 months ago
@cshook123 Are you serious? With all due respect since your a nurse so you see life in it's most fragile form. You say you have studied science and it did nothing for you, it's not meant to do anything for you, it's meant to give you the blunt truths about life, in it's atomic and subatomic realms. Earthquakes are caused because we have a solid iron nickel around that filled with molten lava and radioactive material under plates under pressure, no bull it will happen everywhere eventually...
ChristoMafesto 11 months ago
@ChristoMafesto Jesus said my peace I leave with you. Not as the world gives but my peace I leave with you. So that when the world is falling apart you can still have peace within. Its not enslavement but peace. Science can never give you that.
cshook123 11 months ago
They whimper and whine even when they are treated well! CNN is having a special talk about how Muslims persecution in the West!!! It is all too pathetic. The Muslim world has received over $10 Trillion in aid sine the 1970. How has that worked out? Has not translated into anything positive or even good will. Maybe they should start working and stop focusing on hate and killing. Maybe they should add another pillar to Islam and make it “you must be a whiner, terrorist, and moocher”
wellverzed 11 months ago
they can torture me and force me to labor camps but I will never deny my faith in Jesus Christ
TheJgonzalez7 11 months ago
So much things to say i don't know where to start, Muslims keep shouting for the killings of muslims by christians during the crusades but those of peaceful christians killed by them & by mohammad personally much before & after the crusades till this day by far exceeds it, yet while we have to welcome them, treat them as one of us in our countries they KILL our Christian brethren in their countries, then they start whining about iraq & afghanistan? as if islam never invaded Europe 3 times.
Suppressingfire 11 months ago
@Suppressingfire and that is not all: As if Islam didn't still have a global khalifate on the agenda, and the destruction of Israel.
This is no concern about morals. It's just whining that they are on the receiving end this time.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab exactly mate, dead-on..
Suppressingfire 11 months ago
P-AZ E SUCESSO.......BRASIL
KELICODEIRO2010 11 months ago
Wanna see persecution look at how all the religious loons treat atheist.
momentofsciencetx 11 months ago
all lies u stupids spreading hate at the base of lies.
786apart 11 months ago
The truth shall set you free my friends. Open Doors speaks the truth. The pagan religions of the world are the work of lucifer (satan). The pagan moon god allah is a lie from the king of liars. GoodPersonTESTcom
TerryBBurton 11 months ago
this is bs why cnt they thats stupid!
irqigurl 11 months ago
All religions are very dangerous. Remember the Spanish Inquisition. Christians, torturing and killing people of other religions. America would be just as dangerous if it were not for separation of church and state. The world would be so much better off without such delusions. Unfortunately, as long as there are ignorant people, there will be religion. Educated people need no gods. They have reasoning and self reliance. I salute the freethinkers. Religion is the opium of the world.
buddybleau 11 months ago
@buddybleau The idea that the Catholic Church was willy-nilly killing people during the Spanish Inquistion is a canard. Rather it was the Church's attempt to apply Canon law (an adoption of Roman Law) to what had been indiscriminate persecutions by CIVIL leaders. Punishments were carried out by CIVIL leaders. BTW Christianity/ Judiasm that leads us to the one truth. Free thinkers would reject athiesm and its relativistic underpinnings as illusionary therefore harmful to society (MAO anyone?).
shootermacgavin1 11 months ago
@shootermacgavin1 "BULLSHIT"!!!!!!!!!!!! You really do need to get an education. I have a daughter just like you, she can justify anything!!
buddybleau 11 months ago
@buddybleau Ok Ill bite, what specifically was wrong with my analysis? You seem to have a great amount of certitude so pulling apart my argument should be quite easy for you. Please use specifics as I dont want to miss any of your enlightened analysis.
Thanks!
Al
shootermacgavin1 11 months ago
@shootermacgavin1 Be specific? OK, I can't fix stupid.
buddybleau 11 months ago
@buddybleau That is unfortunate, I was hoping to benefit from your insight, how am I going to convert my friends to atheism if I dont have your persuasive words?
shootermacgavin1 11 months ago
@shootermacgavin1 Check out "Pat Condell".
buddybleau 11 months ago
cm on cristians give me a break go fuck youself and your religion
what comes around goes around
jasonbruneck 11 months ago
I love that bullshit statistic at the end
skydome29 11 months ago
its cuz everyone blaims the christans for there problems.. this is the result of forcing your faith on the world during the 1500s to the early 1900s its simply not something pepole will willingly adher to, im muslim and i can easly and honestly say its a shame and at times, disgusting to see fallowers of god treated like this. but its simply a cause and affect thing. i would love to help, but its not me in power to do so.
mk100012 11 months ago
Lets keep praying for our brothers and sisters around the World
TheFaithHunter 11 months ago
god bless Iran
formerutuber 11 months ago
Are you Christians actually playing the victim card?
Your hypocrisy is truly pathetic.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar dont you think the rights of ALL minorities should be protected?
Christians are grimly persecuted in all muslim countries. Be glad that you can think and believe what you want. Not all people have this freedom.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
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@nevernohijab Read my reply to paulbottomley42.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar
In some countries - like those in the video - they truly are the victims.
Being hounded for one's beliefs, irrespective of what they are or how widely accepted in your own country, is still wrong.
paulbottomley42 11 months ago
@paulbottomley42
If I'm not mistaken (I'm actually not sure) people in those countries aren't oppressed for their belief but because their lack of belief. For an example in Muslim countries they're not oppressed for their Christian faith but because they lack the Islamic faith. And in North Korea they're not oppressed for being Christian but because they don't worship the government.
So saying that the Christians are the only victims is hypocritical.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar Christians are most definitely NOT the only victims of violence in these nations, but they are the most frequent victims. Christians are actively sought out, whereas all other religious minorities are safe as long as they can avoid a chance encounter with a member of the majority. Exceptions made for Jews living in the Muslim world, but that has far more to do with an ancient family feud than with faith.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@PllSteinar This isn't meant to earn your sympathy. It's meant for us, to call us to prayer and to action. If your mother calls everyone in the family to tell them your father was diagnosed with cancer, is she playing the victim? Or is she simply looking for support from those whom she naturally expects would be the first to give it?
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek
Really? If it isn't meant to earn my sypathy then why is it that this video has been shared with me by four different users? All of them telling me to pray for Christians? WHY?!
It's really annoying when Christians keep posting these videos and telling me to watch them. If you guys don't tell me to watch them I'll not comment on how bad it is but if you constantly share these videos with me then I'll speak my mind.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar I only share videos like these with people like you as a means of demonstrating how childish it is to wallow in self-pity. Here in the west people of all faiths and belief systems constantly whine that they're being "persecuted" when someone makes fun of them, or even disagrees with them. Take for instance the atheists' constant accusations that Christians "attack science," or their claim that ours is the most violent religion. You have NO CLUE what religious violence is!
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@PllSteinar I personally don't expect prayer from the likes of you. What I do ask for is RESPECT for these people, because they deserve it. And if you ever have the opportunity to stand up for religious freedom, do so. Religious oppression is very real. While there's not much a desk jockey like yourself can do to help physically, you need to at least support the cause of those fighting for freedom. Christians die as much for your freedom as they do their own.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek
The likes of me? You don't even know me.
Where I come from religion is a personal thing and openly preaching is taboo. I have friends who are Christians (liberal Christians) and I don't tell them that I think their faith is childish because what they believe in is theirs to choose.
However when people preach and talk about how I as a pagan am going to hell and talk about how everyone who's not Christian is a bad person I speak my mind.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar And you're free to speak your mind to whomever you please, as am I. One of the purposes of these videos is to make the western watcher appreciate the freedom we do have. And one of the ways to appreciate your own freedom is to stand alongside the oppressed and fight to share that freedom with them.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek
I thought the purpose of the video was showing how oppressed the Christians are.
Which is the hypocrisy I was pointing out because the Christians are more often the oppressers then the oppressed.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar That and getting free Christians to pray are the main purposes of the video. And, as this video clearly demonstrates, Christians are more often the oppressed, not the oppressors. Name me one place in the entire world where religious minorities are being hunted and killed by Christians, and I'll eat John Rockerduck's hat.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek
In America and the southern part of Africa where the Christians are the majority other religious minorities and homosexuals are often oppressed.
And don't forget that during the middle ages the Christian dictators such as the pope used Christianity to controle the people and those who didn't convert were killed. But I have to admit that their tactic of changing the Jewish faith into a more pagan like religion was quite brilliant. Made it easier for pagans to convert.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar See, this is what I mean. I say I disagree with the movement to legalize same-sex marriage and you immediately cry, "Oppressor!" It's like something out of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I have never advocated or supported violence against homosexuals, and I have never even preached hatred for them. There exists only a very small handful of people who do those things. Homosexuals are not underground. They are not being arrested or forced to convert. They have their freedom.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@PllSteinar And you don't forget that the middle ages were a matter of corrupt leadership within the church that led to those who called for reform and revival being burned at the stake as heretics. Martin Luther was not a pagan. William Tyndale was not a Muslim. John Huss was not an atheist.
These days Muslims kill each other as well. But it's over land disputes rather than ideology. And both parties fight vehemently, whereas Tyndale prayed for his persecutors.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek
Christianity is a tool that is used to controle people. In the Bible there are passages that preach peace and love that make it attractive but it also has passages that preach hate and violence that Christians use to justify their actions.
And it's true that Muslims kill each other over land disputes rather than ideology but Islam is also a tool used to justify their actions.
Same goes for the pope in the middle ages.
Can we stop this argument now? It's getting boring.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
@PllSteinar What hateful passages and what hateful actions? Especially today. Christianity went through a 500-year dark age, but we eventually recovered. Islam has been in their dark age from the get go.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek Any belief in invisible undetectable beings that are real belongs in the dark ages..
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini Flaws in your unfounded assumptions aside, this is an excuse to kill people how?
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek I have no idea what you are babbling about now.
Scanini 11 months ago
@PllSteinar any religion and any ideology can be used as tools of control.
But the persecution of peaceful minorities is still something that cannot be tolerated.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
Christians in America often play the "persecution" card when they don't get their way - take the issue of gay marriage as an example. Or when atheists put a sign on a bus. Or any number of other fairly innocuous things.
Those people should watch videos like this more often, to learn the difference.
paulbottomley42 11 months ago
@paulbottomley42 Speaking of marriage
i.imgur. com/JNUJV.jpg
Yenaboi 11 months ago
@Yenaboi
Nice. And yet all they want to protect marriage from is people who want to get married. Wait, what?
But this is moving into a complete tangent from the video now. Thanks for the graphic though. Its cool.
paulbottomley42 11 months ago
@paulbottomley42 and I hate when some people talk about the whole marriage also being legal reasons to it
whats the fucking differences apart from gender :I
Yenaboi 11 months ago
Anyone ever find it funny how WAY back when.. when someone claimed some super natural being spoke to them and 'created' so and so religion. .they got praised and became a 'prophet'
Someone does that nowadays.. they either just get ignored or locked away in the loony bin :I
Yenaboi 11 months ago
Let people believe what they want...god....
jebril 11 months ago
Not sure this is a serious comment about letting people believe what they want is ok..
Ill take it so, yes for sure we can let people believe what they want, but their freedom to believe they can swing their arm ENDS AT YOUR NOSE!
Belief in anything is ok until you want to teach children dumb things like the earth is 6000 years old or that woman should be covered up and not have a vote or that condoms are evil or that its ok to stone adultorers.
Believe anything until it hurts others.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini Yea I'm serious I just made a lil joke with it. People should have freedom to their beliefs though. No one should impose their beliefs on anyone by force or taxation.
jebril 11 months ago
@jebril This is my point too.
Believe what you want, but your belief you are free to swing your arm ENDS at my nose.
These would be classed as harmless beliefs and are fine with me.
Scanini 11 months ago
How about this..
We have replaced hundreds of beliefs what were once religious in nature.
Name one thing we used to have a scientific explanation for that we know use a religious one.
As you can see the tide of advancing our knowledge of the universe is ONE WAY traffic.
The ever decreasing circles of theology and gods are just that, decreasing.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini "Name one thing we used to have a scientific explanation for that we now use a religious one."
The validity and sanctity of life. We know WHAT life is, but science has never been able to answer the question of WHY life is.
AtarahDerek 11 months ago
@AtarahDerek Then we have never had a scientific explanation for it have we...
You people do not seem to think before you comment.
I asked name ONE thing we used to have a scientific explanation for and now we use a religious one and you answer with "..but science has never been able to answer the question of why life is"
But to answer your question some questions are just silly, WHY is there blue?!
Wake up.
Scanini 11 months ago
...and if thats the best you can do then you lose any credulity.
The relentless march on knowledge is ONE WAY traffic, we do not have religious explanations of the universe that are unassaltable, the further you go back into time the larger the circles of knowledge relgion monopolised.
Your power and domination of the human mind is shrinking, most intelligent people are moving away from religion and only the "children" of its indoctrination remain.
It cannot come soon enough...
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini
Well said.
PllSteinar 11 months ago
and with your kind permission, I will base myself on my experience with prayer and a relationship with god and many great miracles in my life that more than once saved me from death.
And if you feel entitled to judge it, well, just be aware that 75% of the universe you can't even perceive, as it is so-called dark matter...
I will follow my road unimpressed. And if being right makes you so happy:
ok you're right...have a good night.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab You do not have a "relationship" with a god.
Personal experience is not a good reason for anyone else to believe what you are claiming.
Dark matter is matter not undectable, its presence has effects the gravitational effect on the visible universe. We cannot show what it is yet but we can see its effects on the universe. This is why science is the only way to discover its source.
Faith and god will tell you nothing.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini of course, you are the one to tell competently. Sleep well!
nevernohijab 11 months ago
Sleep well yourself.
Scanini 11 months ago
In Egypt we live in peace at general copts and Muslims are in love
this is a nature of Egypt , remember 25\Jan\2011 and both are one hand we say
"Muslim mesuhy iyd wahda " which mean we r together
killer2man 1 year ago
what I am saying about my faith and belief, you can take it or leave it, really. I believe in a God that granted people a free will and gave them total responsibility for their lives.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab But yet you believe in a theology that admonishes the individuals responsibility, that a murderer or rapist and come to jesus and has his sins forgiven.
Even if your god was REAL and i would not deny a god that has good evidence, if he was real and let people get away with crimes against humanity just because they accepted jesus into their life i would be sickened by it.
I see catholic priests moved aound diosises and there crimes go unpunished, sick and twisted is religion.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini
so you believe that the concepts of mercy and grace are disgusting?
(I doubt if the thugs of the catholic church are really Christian. Looks often like they belong to another cult, a very black one, where sexual abuse on a massive scale is used to produce multiple personalities for whatever purpose. You know, conscience is a very strong force that can be used for many things. Not all of them are good. But denying that these forces exist will not help)
nevernohijab 1 year ago
If you show mercy and grace to those that clearly do not deserve it then yea its disgusting.
For example, your god forgives and lets into heaven a child raping murderer.
Your god burns and tortures forver someone for intellectual honesty.
This is not grace or mercy at all, the one unforgivable sin is not accepting jesus as your saviour, and i utterly reject this patsy on all counts, even if all of your mythology was 100% i would still reject it. It is not morale or a good theology.
Scanini 1 year ago
@nevernohijab Of course i can "take or leave" what you say. It wether you want me to believe in what your are saying or wether you care if something is true or not.
If you dont care wether your beliefs are true or wether i and others believe you then our dialogue is done.
Good day.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini I am not as arrogant as to believe that any human is in possession of any absolute truth...I am struggling to find mine, and it's hard enough. But basing myself on mechanistic worldview alone because there is no'scientific' proof for a higher paradigm, no.
You need to be aware, among other things, that your 'scientific' paradigms are very limited tools.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab I agree with you, they are limited, but they are the BEST we have for a path to truth.
Scientific understandings CHANGE, this is their strength. One time we believed the earth was the center of the universe, now this belief could not have changed anymore over the last 4-500 years, we so insignificant to the universe on a whole it is mind boggingly unbelievable.
Science is all we got that we can be sure of, its the best path to whats real and whats not.
Love and cherish it.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini I love and cherish science.
Be aware, that presently, phenomena like remote viewing and telepathy are being explored, with the most surprising answers. Check into it yourself, The currency of the universe is communication.
And with regard to forgiveness: No, condemnation is necessary to protect the human society, but it can't be the last word for any human.
I recommend doing some voluntary work in a jail and see the tragedies behind man's evil.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
The jails are filled with Christians, i think the last report from Gallap was 92% of criminals inside today are of the christian denomination with 5% Muslim 2% other and less than 1% Atheist. (USA)
I know how bad christians can be, trust me.
Telepathy may exist, i dont know, i will read papers on them if they come up for peer review in the many scientific sites i am registered too.
If there is a way of demonstrating a phenomona such as telepathy existing i will believe it exists.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini yes, please do and check into it.
Plus, check into yoga and other eastern techniques and find out what the mind can achieve in a human body and in general. 'these people are not crazy and their techniques are ancient. They now receive a scientific basis from quantum physics.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
Meditating your mind into an alternate state, altering your perception of reality.
Your mind is a powerful thing, it can alter your perception of reality if you mess with it too much, getting into such a state that your perception of being in your own body changers etc is only proof that the mind can be fooled.
Science works by having testable event, something real that can give the possibility of making predictions, the better the framework for making the prediction the better the theory.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini you are of course right, and a painstaking approach is required.
But there is something problematic to any measurement just recently discoverd by physics: The very fact that something is observed changes the result.
The same photone measured twice produces different results. the universe is not as neat and orderly as we thought
nevernohijab 1 year ago
No it isnt, Quantum physics is not understood by ANYONE and certainly not you, if you think you understand Quantum physics then you dont understand Quantum physics.
Quantum strangeness is why i think we have freewill, any choice is not set until it is observed, both events are played out.
If you insert (any all knowing god) into play then you cannot have this effect.
Freewill disappears as something cannot know the outcome of an event then have power to change the event.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini I am not trying to convince you to believe anything you don't want to believe.
All I am sayng is: If you take your intellect so darn serios, you will not get very far.
And yes, we ARE spoiled and take freedom of opinion for granted. Maybe you should live in fear for a while in a country where that isn't the case (it's not the cases in most countries of the world).
Do you actually agree that it is my right to follow my belief, whatever it is?
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab Yes i do think its your "right" to believe what you want.
However if you and your religion try to teach this to my child then we got a problem.
If you or your religion try to teach people that condoms are evil then we got a problem.
If you or your religion try to tell me that being gay is a sin punishable by death then we got a problem.
Keep your beliefs to yourself and were all good, its shame that people that fly into buildings etc dont.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini why should I keep my belief to myself and you can voice yours?
I am not interested in anything you say, I bring my children up according to my state of knowledge and you do likewise.
As regards gays, or condoms or such things, I do not believe in any dogma
As a matter of fact, I believe that whosoever is trying to sell me a dogma is not my friend, and that, my dear, also includes dogmatic atheism.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab I never said you can not voice you opinion.
However if you try to teach my children that the earth is 6000 years old we got a problem.
etc
etc
etc
Relgion is a cockblock to moving forward as a society.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini I am not a Christian fundamentalist, I am saying that spirituality is a human essence ever since stonehenge.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab Mankind has been arouns ALOT longer than stonehenge.
I can accept a force of conviction or an attitude of self belief or a feeling of oneness with the universe. However this DOES NOT mean that there are spiritual forces or supernatural powers at work.
First prove a spirit actually exists THEN claim it has effects and tell us all exactly what it is. Because all i see is a brain state of feeling, which is TOTALLY contingent on a brain existing in the first place...
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini and what is your explaination of the man's mind? Of consciousness to begin with?
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab My ability or inability to answer this question is irrelevent.
I AM intellectually honest when i say i do not know how consciousness actually appeared in our species, im sure it has evolved over millions of years but i am no biologist.
How ever i know 100% you do not know either, and if you tried to make out that the brain evolving a higher state of reasoning is down to supernatural reasons then i will call you out for being stupid.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini A supernatural explanation explains NOTHING.
You do not forward our understanding of anything by saying god did it or something else dumb like that.
This is why science is the path to real truth and NOT pseudo-science or religious faith.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini there is nothing supernatural, all divine things are perfectly natural.
I am not saying god did this or that.
All I do is that I acknowledge the divine in all life.
And as I said again: If faith is not plausible to you, then just don't believe
But do not think you can judge those who do. Most of life is inexplainable to most of us on a merely material level.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
Then all you have is an argument from incredulity.
You agree with me that there is no such thing as the supernatural.
I have no idea what you mean by the "divine" in life.
Faith is belief withour evidence or in the face of contrary evidence, no you are right, this is not for me.
I will continue to judge those people claiming supernatural forces as silly UNTIL they prove that the supernatural force exists, then they are not silly and i am reading a paper on what it actually is.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini it does not only exist in our species, this is another arrogance.
Many animals have a consciousness to the point that chimpanzees can learn the sign language for the deaf, and dolphins juggle water rings in play.
I am saying that there are so many things you don't know but still you come to final conclusions while calling others stupid....
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab Again with straw manning my position.
I never said that consciouness is only in humans.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini no, I never said anything about supernatural. I said divine.
and frankly, I do not feeling like having myself insulted for it.
you go and believe in your scientific facts and I believe in God, where's the problem?
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab The problem is when those that believe in a god fly into buildings or blow themselves up on buses.
I will insult and ridicule beliefs in the supernatural. Or in gods.
There is a growing movement of people that have had enough of relgion and its sickening cults.
Your time is coming to an end.. The age of reason and enlightenment must come or we may decend back into the cultural and geocentric past we came from.
You can probably tell i dispise religions.
Scanini 1 year ago
@Scanini yes, friend, go on dispising if it makes you happy...peace
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab It does not make me happy. Religion and its followers nearly always make me sad.
Even when they try to do good things they spoil it by introducing their invisible friend.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini People who flew into the buidilgns was doing it for their country and their beliefs. yet they were lied to not by G-d but by man. The growing movement is a bunch of assholes with nothing but hatred in their hearts for their fellow man who don't think like them.l that's all it is scanini. when will you let go of hatred.
ChrisWatch 1 year ago
@ChrisWatch This is where you are wrong.
The people that flew into those buildings or that blow themselves up believe 100% they are rightious. You think you have a right religion that god is on your side that you believe in whats true.
Just stop for one moment and understand these people think YOU have been lied too and that you follow the false religion.
It becomes blindingly obvious when you take a step back that you are BOTH wrong and gods are mans invention not man gods invention.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini you can stop ranting here. You are maintaining your own belief-system. Absolutely fine with me.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab Im not ranting, i will continue to respond to misinformation and the misrepresentation of science.
If youre done then so am i.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini hail to you, the all-knowing..:)
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab I am not all knowing, i guess your smiley face was eluding to a sarcastic suggestion.
I do not claim all knowledge, i do not claim a god does not exist.
Only that without the proof the claiment must bring im not convinced of a god/s existence.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini I normally tell this to muslims, but obviously,. some atheists need to be bluntly told as well:
What others believe is none of your business.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab It is when you bring your beliefs into teaching my children.
When you try to claim what you believe is real, then we have a problem.
Your freedom to swing your arm ENDS at my nose.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini believe me, I do not want you to teach my children your atheism either.
WE have a problem when you declare that you are in possession of the absolute truth.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab Not at all, you (as all the devious and snake oil selling chalatons before you) strawman my position to make it look different to what it is.
I do not declare absolute truth.
With the recent discoveries in quantum theory i do not think there is anything like absolute truth. Uncertainty seems the fabric of reality.
I also do not want atheism taught in schools, this would be madness as atheism is the rejection of a claim, like teaching kids the man in the moon does not exist
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini the recent discoveries in quantum theory show exactly this: there is no absolute truth, not even in the scientific sense, because the observer has an impact on results...
nevernohijab 11 months ago
All religions should be taught in school.
...and no indoctrination of the child in pre school, when the child gets to school and learns about the many different religions of the world he is free to choose the one he wants too.
Ask youself this, its it coincidence that 95% of all religious people SHARE the same religion as their parents?
If this does not wake you up to the fact its all crap then nothing will.
I know im not goping to change your mind but maybe those readin this.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini first: introducing a child to not believing is also an indoctrination.
Second: If you want to discard something because its abuse has detrimental effects, science should have been discarded a long time ago (refer to Hiroshima)
and thirdly, if you do not declare absolute truth, let others believe as they want.
But Last and Most >Important: others' beliefs are none of your business.
You opinions just don't matter.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
Think before you type crap like that....
A child is born a blank slate, it has no religion at all. The default position IS NOT believeing.
I do not want to discard Religion becuase if abused it has detrimental effects.
I want to discard religion because it has not met its burden of proof for its claims of the supernatural is real!
You do not have to have absolute truth (this is an impossibility im sure) to reject unsubstantied claims.
It IS my business when it kills innocents.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini when you try to claim that what you consider reality is what everybody else has to believe to, although we know that in two hundred years none of your maximes will be valid any longer, then we have a problem.
I repeat: what others believe is none of your business.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab When believers attach high explosive to their bodies and blow them selves up on buses its my business. In my friends case LITERALLY he is a bomb disposal expert.
The suicide bombing community is almost entirely religious.
You can say well these people are not real believers etc, but i think different i think these people believe what is being taught to them more fervently and truthfully than you.
These people ARE the truie believers, you just give them credulity.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini So then why do atheists shove humanism down our throats in our secular school text books?
Thechristiancullen 11 months ago
@Thechristiancullen Atheists do not shove humanism down anyones throats. Humanists do.
I am an atheist, i am not a humanist.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini True - while most humanists are atheists, not all atheists are humanists. However I would rather say that humanists are a denomination of atheist cult. Denominations of atheism include Rationalists, Humanists, God Haters, Communists, Naturalists, agnostics, weirdos, and Forteans -which are you?
Thechristiancullen 11 months ago
They also include freethinkers, rational and logical thinkers, scientists and teachers etc...
Atheism is not a cult, it is a rejection of a claim a god exists. Thats it. You can be any of the above and more!
All an atheist has in common with other atheists is that they both reject the claim a god exists, 99% of the time because the evidence put forward by the person making the claim is so WEAK!
You can try but you will fail to make atheism out to be anything but a rejection of a claim.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini Atheism is the cult of western pampered civilisation, The cult eventually effects the culture and this is why europeans are now depopulating themselves from europe thanks to the cult of atheism ie promotion of abortions, homosexuality, chasing materialism, seeing children as a burden = low non replacement fertility rates = europeans will become aboringines thanks to the studipity of atheism.
Thechristiancullen 11 months ago
@Thechristiancullen You really are dumb, it is such a move forward to not have people like you in charge of our species anymore.
To have these views and be in charge of people lives would such a huge step backward for our civilization. You sir are a bigot, a racist, a chauvanist, a homophobe, and just basically a stupid person.
Ridicule is our only weapon against people like you and we will wield it to its utmost power.
Your time is over, keep whineing and QQing, but we have moved on.
Scanini 11 months ago
@Scanini What sort of rebuttal is that?
The use of disparaging or abusive names in attacking another is pathetic.
Thechristiancullen 11 months ago
@nevernohijab These countries you talk about are backward, mostly run by theocrats or mad idealogical communisist states. Modern society has moved on, thus i believe that freedom to ridicule religion IS a right too.
I DO NOT have to show the same respect to what you believe deserves respect. Some beliefs are stupid and should be called stupid.
Believing in a god/s is stupid. There is zero evidence for it and what there is only lends itself to reason why you SHOULDNT believe in it.
Scanini 1 year ago
Once again North Korea tops the list. I wonder if that will ever change? And if it does, will it be because they let up on the Christians, or because another country managed to become even more oppressive?
AtarahDerek 1 year ago
christianity is the religion of scum
uberpwnage223 1 year ago
@uberpwnage223 why?
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab no religion has started more wars, commited more acts of genocide, then christianity, that is why my friend, your religous hate club, is scum
uberpwnage223 11 months ago
yeah, the Christians world over are persecuted while Muslim countries are invaded, occupied and oppress and then persecuted by the same Christian nations. Fox is crying that the lamb is attacking and trying to eat it. Very funny.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning The muslim countries "invaded" by the Christian countries are still free to practice Islam. Christianity existed in the Middle East before Islam did and yet the Muslims took over and violently forced the conversion of the people. To this day they persecute the descendants of those ancient Christians who have kept their faith for all these generations.
hermanamindy 1 year ago
@hermanamindy
No Christian, no Jews, no Hindus or any other people can even dream that they can force Muslims to not to practice Islam. Well, Muslims did not forced anyone to convert to Islam because we have the verses in the Qur'an which forbid converting people to Islam by force. If Islam forced people to convert then today 90% of the Indians would be Muslims and India would have been a Muslim country. Please stop smoking grass.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning Muslim invaders certainly did not come to the gates of Vienna with soft pink cotton balls, voice..
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning muslim countries are not invaded by christian but by secular armies...you got that upside down.
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab
Well, it is myth if you believe that because the Christians vote for Secular government to invade and oppress and occupy. George Bush said he invaded because Jesus told him so. Christianity has no soul and it is a walking corpse.
voiceofreasoning 1 year ago
@voiceofreasoning invading and occupying and oppressing is not a specialty of any one people, unfortunatel, it is also integral part of muslim history. George Bush is a thug that faked belief and religion to get to the hearts of honest and believing people. When he announced the war in Iraq, about 5 million Europeans demonstrated in the streets of London, Berlin and Paris. Nobody listened to us. Now America is in debts for this war to its chin, while rich people make profit from poor peopledying
nevernohijab 1 year ago
@nevernohijab
In the past Christians have committed more crimes and atrocities and don't forget Crusade of old and new in the name of the Bible. Today's world invasion and occupations are continued by the Jewish and Christian Crusaders.
voiceofreasoning 11 months ago
@voiceofreasoning What is interesting is that the Crusades were a response to Alexious I plea to save Constantinople from the Sultanate of Rum (Islam) You also seem to omit the Islamic aggression from the early 7th century onwards. The Crusades were a delayed reaction to that aggression. Does not a culture have the right to defend itself?
shootermacgavin1 11 months ago
@shootermacgavin Nicely done! Could not have said it better myself. When you study the history, it is revolting. They love to try and paint it as if they were tolerant and peaceful but the facts show otherwise. Despite more often then not being expansionist and offensive, don't Muslims try and defend jihad as a defensive measure. One of the last noble things left in the world it to declare yourself a persecuted Muslim in the West or blowing youself up
wellverzed 11 months ago
@voiceofreasoning Crusade of old was the Christian defense against Muslims denying Christians access to their holy sites.
You know, once Muslims were the masters of the world, subjugating and plundering nation after nation. Today, they whimper and whine when others do likewise.
nevernohijab 11 months ago
@nevernohijab
Yeah Secular armies are the Christians and the Secular governments and Church go hand in hand and also the Christians vote their governments too. So the Christians are responsible in killing and oppressing.
voiceofreasoning 11 months ago
Athesists are liars God himself said He imprinted knowlege on the heats of ALL men
God specifically states " Nobody will claim I did not know on J-day (NOT ONE )
So either God or the alleged "Aithest" is a liar . You figure it out .
SAYYOURROSARY 1 year ago
Hey everyone, take a look at this asshole troll named "Scanini." These retarded atheists are so blind, no matter how many facts you present to their faces, they will never listen.
He's a mentally unstable person. He's lost his mind. Not only do these atheists have extremely low IQ's but they seem to be fragile as well.
I mean really, these people are sick puppies!
WenchesOfRedemption 1 year ago
@WenchesOfRedemption Very Christian of you, although i expect no less.
You have yet to produce ANY evidence to support your claims.
My face has not seen one shred of proof or any demonstrable data i can work with.
I continue to wait.
Scanini 1 year ago