LDS Homosexuality Pt. 2: Marriage Hopes and Realities

[outdoorsman715]

i have a ton of respect for this guy. alot more respect than i have for alot of other gay guys.

[fraughtonaround]

This is so sad and one sided. He's such a sweet man. He says SHE deserved a level of intimacy that I couldn't provide. SHE deserves it.....Well doesn't he deserve that too ?

[JPRamon68]

This is a lesson to the LDS. Stay out of families business, you just make it worse. Let them live the life how God made them.

[fraughtonaround]

@JPRamon68 Right, they are always talking about how being homosexual creates sneaking around, being dishonest.....well it wouldn't if they could come out, it wouldn't if people were accepting.

[JPRamon68]

@fraughtonaround Correct and what about all the sneaking around the LDS does and what the LDS doesn't want their members to know. Like Prop 8 Electric shock therapy on Gay teens, suicide on gay teens and all this in the result of the LDS. I don't know how anyone would want to support such a religion. Have more respect for yourself and get a education. That is the true power in life not what you think one man as direct contact with and we all know that a bunch of crap.

[utgeekmattie1]

Russ Gorringe -- Ron D. here. How are you? It has been a long time since I spoke with you. I live in California now. I remember reading about you in the Deseret News when Prop 8 was raging, and see how your lifestyle is now. Hope you are well and happy and enjoying life. Jut wanted to drop a line. Take care, Ron

[ehukai26]

In my relationship with God have have learned that he is no respecter of persons (in other words, no exceptions will be made for me) and at the same time he is intimately concerned with my own salvation and ultimate happiness. Through experience I have learned that life is hard and at times can be hell, fortunately it can also be wonderful. This is an important discussion that deals with the plight on good individuals who want a place in their community. What change would you want to see?

[johnosahon]

WTF and HELL TO DA NAW

WTF was said at time 43:50 ?

gay people may qualify for external life ONLY after passing an extra step of some shit, I have now heard and seen it all in religion, DONE WITH THIS FUCKERY.

[johnosahon]

if this is done by the mormon church then they must be smoking CRACK, because what is the message they are trying to tell us gays?

they are telling us don't marry the opposite sex if you are gay, but you cannot marry the same sex person you love either, MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS.

[woody5551]

From a business standpoint, aren't Mormons "working both sides of the room"? The Mormons take in money from Evergreen, but they also try to keep the life long gays as members with the kind of message in this video. Losing members means losing their tithe, right? That is not acceptable because it amounts to too much money, which the Mormons are not willing to give up.

[CandiedAmputee]

you have got to be kidding me "relationships only last months or years" many gays spend the rest of their lives together and are very happy. My family is mormon and I am gay. You have no idea what it is like and you cannot fix me. this makes me sick.

[ceewitt]

they meant gays marrying straight to not be gay anymore--that those kinds of relationships only last months to years...not gay relationships lasting onlly that long

[jenlinc2006]

I think it's funny when people make the anti-gay argument that the world will diminish via decreased population. The world is dangerously over-populated, and gays consistently appear to make up 10% of all populations. This may be the answer God intended.

[pwrballads]

TELL ME THIS! Imagine if the world was evolving into a bunch of gay people, THEN HOW THE HECK DO THEY THINK MANKIND WILL EXIST ON THE WORLD??!!! If we allow gay marraige to continue, WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES AND RISKING EXTINCTION! Maybe this is how the animals will get their world back.lol. i can't support "gay marraige" which supports a deadly future effect on mankind, AND THAT IS EXTINCTION!! I WANT MANKIND TO LIVE!!

[MatthiasFarland]

Sorry, but even if the entire human race were homosexual, there are still reproductive technologies. The species would not end.

You are officially an idiot.

[pwrballads]

That last quote at the end of this clip by Dallin H. Oaks is totally quoted out of context (it applies to straight men and women ONLY who sincerely couldn't find anyone). Gay people will NOT be able to marry in the next life. Their kingdom will not be in Heavenly Father's presence. The lower kingdoms are where they will all be at. IT IS NOT, NOR WILL BE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH. Why hasn't LDS leaders changed it? Because the Lord will not allow them to change their position.

[yadeyrinii]

yeah, so, if your gay and LDS, sorry you don't get to go to Heaven. Somehow God has PREDESTINED YOU to epic FAIL. But thanks for being a good LDS drone and keep tithing and we'll find a place for you as a code monkey on our massive geneology servers, where you won't actually offend the tourists by your gay love. Sad sad sad sad sad. But it's like they say, "Better GAY than GRUMPY."

[TechnoRaid]

This is so sad, I really feel for him.

[garthrussel]

Thank you so much for this informative video!

[huddy85210]

My magic panties get itchy.

[lostinhi]

God made me gay and I thank him each day for my blessings. I do it wearing nylon mormon underwear which I really enjoy having sex in--with other guys. I really like a church that decides what kind of underwear I should wear--especially these nylon garments. And the Mormon church thinks I'm strange? Mormonism is more of a cult or business than a religion and the history is about as accurate as Thetons going into a volcano in Hawaii as part of Scientology. Anyway, thanks for the underwear!

[muslcop]

After the Mormons' MAJOR BACKING of Prop 8 in California, the whole state needs to be PUNISHED! With major fundraising and grassroots efforts by Mormons, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were INSTRUMENTAL in taking marriage away from 20,000 gay couples in the state of California. So I propose, that we PAY THEM BACK in kind! Boycott the whole State of Utah. Do not vacation there. Don't even drive thru the state. They like to cause suffering. Lets see how they like to suffer!

[huddy85210]

Well said. This so-called church needs to be taxed as well. BOYCOTT UTAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HomesliceDrummer]

Good. Utah doesn't want homos anyways.

[muslcop]

Well that's too bad Mikey, I guess the ones they have now are so closeted and repressed they are afraid of themselves. Hey how do YOU get by with all your repressed homosexuality?

[HomesliceDrummer]

umm, Mikey? Who are you talking too?

I get by fine with my repressed homosexuality. Oh, wait a minute, I'm not gay. Thx for wondering though.

BTW, this dude in the video is a really good guy. I know his family they are really good people. I have a lot of respect for him. He deals with his problem properly by NOT acting upon the unclean feelings and urges. Unlike perverted sinful others. He will blessed for being true to the Lord in staying morally clean inspite of his difficult trial.

[muslcop]

He deals with his "problem" Mikey? It sounds like your god makes a lot of MISTAKES. I thought God was perfect. If your god really thinks of us as abominations, then why would he create us in the first place? In the second, why are the lives of gay people so INTERESTING to bigots like yourself anyway? Shouldn't you let your god sort this thing out when its Judgement Time or whatever? Wouldn't you say, by your own beliefs, that God is the better person to judge these things than YOU BIGOTS are?

[HomesliceDrummer]

God thinks of sin as an abomination. "Problem" was an incorrect way to put it, excuse me Mr. politically correct. Having homosexual tendencies is NOT a sin. However, acting upon them and lying with another man IS a sin.

Why am I a bigot? Did I not say in my last post that I really respect this guy and he is a good man? You are apparently the one with the issue of acceptance of people. You need to change your attitude dude. I don't hate or have anything wrong with gays.

[muslcop]

Ahh cafeteria-christianity at its finest! Pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and overlook those parts that you don't like.

Exactly HOW STRONG are you in your beliefs Miguel? When the going gets tough, would you betray your beliefs like most or would you stand on them? Well I got a rack with chains and a bullwhip that says I can MAKE YOU change your mind tuff-guy.

[HomesliceDrummer]

I stand VERY firm in my beliefs. I don't pick and choose from the bible, I follow ALL of it. I Keep the commandments, I do good unto others, I love God, and I love my fellow man, I was baptised and recieved the Holy Ghost, and I repent when I sin, and continually improve myself and apply the atonement of Jesus Christ in my life daily. You can make me change my mind by torture? Youre a nice guy. I would die for my God if that was necessary. I know the power of God, and would take it to the grave.

[HomesliceDrummer]

Look man, I don't hate you or have any problem with you because of you being homosexual. YOU are the one that has misinterpreted standing up for ones own beliefs as hatred and bigotry against another. That is a terrible misconception and YOUR problem dude. I supported prop 8 not because I am against gays(which would be bigotry), but because I value a morally clean society that values, supports and upholds traditional marriage and family. You dont understand that and has driven you to hatred.

[HomesliceDrummer]

BTW, I wouldn't change my mind. I would only be able to testify against you at your judgement and be a witness of your deserving damnation at such a horrible act of hatred. Satan has a hold of your heart, and will drag you down to hell and misery unless you repent.

You expect people to tolerate you, but THIS is what you show in return? No one will tolerate such hateful language and action against another person. You have a cold heart and need to change your ways lest you be cast down to hell.

[HomesliceDrummer]

And stop calling me mikey, that is not my name.

[Prop8Commentary]

Exactly how well do you know Russ and his family, Mr. Homeydrummer? Seems to me you've been out of touch with them for quite some time. In fact, I don't think you know him at all. Because I know Russ personally and he married his MALE partner in California before Prop 8 was passed, several months ago. He was featured in the Salt Lake Tribune -- oh wait, you don't read the Trib, do you. Deseret News all the way, baby!

[AequitasVeritas7777]

If it was normal as some claim then no people would exist as procreation is impossible between two of the same gender. Nature proves this out aberration's included, they are still scientifically considered deviations from the norm.

Advocates of No on 8 are desperate they are trying to compare it to racial rights or women's sufferage they are miles apart and I suppose if I were willing to say anything to get what I wanted if I were not ethical I might use that argument. Vote yes on prop 8

[metrx330]

Are you saying that sex is for procreation only? In that case most guys would be exploding with testosterone and all sorts of urges. Procreation is a by-product of sex - not the central aspect. Sex, to me, is an expression of love and bonding, irrespective of gay or straight. Homosexuality is commonplace among animals (from sheep to gorillas) - what is so unnatural about that? Animals don't have original sin. Humans are just sophisticated animals.

[AequitasVeritas7777]

No matter how much you may want to state same-sex as being "the norm" it never will be, you have said "Procreation is a by-product of sex" and while it has a bonding element between a man and a woman it actually it is for procreation and reproduction by its very nature.

That doesn't justify hatred towards any group or individual who may act or feel differently but it is a scientific fact. Otherwise, human beings would have died out eons ago.

[NavajoJoe66]

Sure, it's not "the norm" -- for you. But it is certainly "the norm" for people who are homosexual. Roughly 10% of any given population, animals included, is homosexual. So if by "normal" you mean natural (i.e. occurring in nature), then it most certainly is "normal".

This has been the case since the dawn of time. The heterosexual majority of a population ensures its survival. So your argument really has no basis.

[NavajoJoe66]

This is absolutely an issue of indivual rights. It is unacceptable that homosexuals can't marry the person they love because us heterosexuals say so. Proposition 8 is a setback for humanity. But it will be overturned, mark my words. Justice will prevail in the end.

[colibriverde]

Your claim that nature proves homosexuality is an "aberration" is false. Many species have sex not only for procreation, but for pair-bonding and parenting among many species including dolphins, killer whales, seals, penguins, Japanese macaques and many more. Unlike the unnatural repression that occurs in human culture, in the natural world homosexuality does not necessarily cause marginalization.

[belize1988]

I was truly waiting for a happy ending, sad but real.

[BrentleChaos]

HAAHHAHAHA they rate the GAYNESS of people ahahahha, fucking hilarious!!

[JPRamon68]

I really would like to know who this doc was that was telling him this Bullshit. You get enough of it from the church you don't need to hear it from a doc. Russell if you see this LIVE FREE AND BE YOURSELF. God created each of us and you was born being gay. Their is nothing wrong with you. This just show how IGNORANT THE CHURCH IS...

[FOTOFOTA]

it is not the church, it is you and your ignorant associates that run around with your opinions and want everyone to feel pity for you.This is the only church that does not turn left neither right to accomodate anyone.

God is like that,HE gives out his commandments and expect everyone to obey.NOT A DEGREE OF ALLOWANCE!

[Nautauga]

Mormon's make my skin crawl. They're creepy.

[nujarevalo]

I can't believe that this video came from ax-missionary! It seems that this guy has never had any understanding about God and God's plan.

How could you talk of attempting suicide?

You're so ridiculous!

Get a life! huh

[onederkind]

That logic is as good as saying that i can't believe you lust after women, so you have no understanding about God and his plan.

Being suicidal is different than actually committing suicide. Having the temptation and acting on it are totally different. That's like saying I dreamed about sex so I am now a fornicator.

Jesus showed compassion, which it appears you don't show.

[deboradec3160]

It's interesting to see how each person works out their issues in a different way. Can't blame them for wanting to try and I can't blame them for deciding that marriage isn't in the cards.

[lovegodess10]

Aw! he is such a good man! i was wondering though...y dont we see gay LDS women? all i hear about is men...maybe its not as big of deal 4 women in that religon...

[jennyjumps]

this is the second part of a three part series that features a GAY MAN ...

what about the lesbians? ... I'm only at 3:58 in this vid when I'm posting this comment though.

[djlukb]

He must be so unhappy deep inside, being forced to be in a relationship that you don't feel good in must be "Hell"...

It surely feels so "Unnatural" to him...

[ixacacau]

This is a very kind man. He wishes a fulfilling relationship for his ex-wife when, in his belief system, he has no hope of that for himself. He sounds like he has made peace with his choices, though and is as happy as he can be while remaining true to his chosen religion.

[Jmoss760]

This guy makes me sad!! He must live a very unhappy life

[superwoo3]

Poor Ross, he seems so numb. Chasing the dream to be like everyone else, given little choice other than to be obedient to the rules of the faith. Its a cookie cutter spirituality, sometimes so cliche that it could come from the movies. Don`t keep going through the motions, search for your own personal spiritual growth.

[EdwardTheHauntedBoy]

Mormons are not very accepting usually, I have watched General Conference and they seem homophobic. It is sad to see my Mormon mother brainwashing all those around her.

[clariffic1]

Please speak kindly. Edward, we can't let a few nuts spoil the soil... if anything Mormons are learning. It takes time to learn. What you are witnessing is the processes of learining. As for accepting, that is individually based. Sometimes those few individuals seem more than what they are. There's no way you can say out of all the millions of Mormons in the world, you know the by heart...Don't create prejudice. It makes one filthy...

[marklovesportland]

Oh, I meant to make my prior comment on the 3rd installment (sorry!). On this 2nd installment, I like this man's sincerity; he was married for 25 years and did the best he could. Even though ultimately divorced, it's clear that he and his wife showed commitment, were willing to endure (longer than I ever could), and to this day, are "best friends". This video was so well done. I give thanks to those who participated in its making.

[marklovesportland]

What a beautifully done video this was. I appreciate the reverent spirit dealing with these people's experiences with homosexuality. I am grateful to see parents as loving and welcoming. I am glad such people exist.

[Rangerpjonwebx]

He sounds like Paul Lynde from the TV show Hollywood Squares, but I was impressed by this man's strong life story. It was touching, constructive and uplifting -- a life blessed more than the lives of millions really.

Hollywood Squares

Peter Marshall: According to Tony Randall, "Every woman I've been intimate with in my life has been..." What?

Paul Lynde: Bitterly disappointed. Ah Ha ha ha...

[SICOPATH123]

lol @ 32 min the music is the postal service

[gjs455]

More people died for the sake of religion then anything else....This world is controled by religion, it's time to wake up people

no more guilty feelings for being normal

The Naked Truth part 1/12 by Jordan Maxwell

RELIGON is no more then the Zodiac Calendar

and the stories that related to it.

[hypnotstcollector]

being generous to those less fortunate does not mean condoning this. treat others....well, i do.i am quoting sound bible scripture. you are accepted as you WERE. you CHANGE. Christianity is not the religion of universal acceptance. you know all this. simply buy a concordance and look up the word

[hypnotstcollector]

homsexuality will NEVER be part of true christianity. you types need to look at the MORAL content of the instruction and consider WHY.... YOUR FEELINGS are irrelivent to any ultimate Christian reality. Christianity is not about FEELINGS. it is about the truth. and if it hurts it doesnt mean jesus is wrong. "THEY RECIEVE IN THEIR OWN BODIES THE DUE PENALTY FOR THEIR ERROR" RM1:26

[rextrek]

Stick your Fairy Tales where the sun don't shine. Don't need any stinkin' Brainwashng religion to be a decent person on the planet earth! 1)treat others as you yourself wish to be treated 2)Be generous with the less fortunate 2 rules for being a decent human on the planet earth period!

[jrcnd]

Well..Whats normal or not normal ?

For me the answer is that normal person is a person happy with yourself. Person who do not attack other people.. Thats a true happy people, thats a true way of life.

Homosexuality not attack any person, therefore it must be tolerated. Homosexuals who live as homosexuals are happyer than people who try to hide its sexuality.

[SP567]

This is one of the most powerful stories I have ever heard. This terrible pain that he and his wife experienced should never have happened. I am grateful for the way he shared this. He's a real gentleman. I pray his now ex-wife finds the thing she deserves and was forced to live without because of the church.

[kiwigran2]

Hmmmm.

[oakfire12]

why on earth would u ever get married to a person u werent in love with? i dont get it. what im asking has got nothing to do with same gender atraction or being gay or whatever. i dont understand the logic. why would u ever get married to someone and not have spoken to them before hand about sex or atrattion or hopes or dreams or fears about sex???? im a non american LDS member and i seriously think that some people from utah are living in a bubble and its got nothing to do with the church

[oakfire12]

in 2 of these videos, both of these utah guys quote a church president saying that if 2 people are living the gospel then they can make a marriage work.... i dont understance the logic in this. im LDS and am striving very hard to live the gospel BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS WHO I DIFFENTLY WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK WITH. u gotta be in love man, or marriage is pointless

[GhettaGrip]

I have watched 2 of these LDS videos and i'm completely confused as to what the heck the point of them is. are they saying evergreen is a farce and you must be celebate your entire life if you have same sex attraction?

[iCEL55]

Russ said three times that his wife deserved a deeper level of intimacy but not him because God and the LDS say it is sinful for him to experience a deeper level of intimacy-----why?

[iCEL55]

Russ said when his "God-given sexual attration was developing..." God gave him these feelings and allowed him to develop them BUT he can never act on them. How cruel and heartless the LDS god is!!!

[KURGEN131]

dont be confused, God never said we couldn't act on those urges & desire but there are consequences, my brother was gay & paid the ultimate consequence but I had a differant experiance with this, see my comments on part 1. I'm willing to talk to anyone who doesn't understand or who has been hurt by the extreme homophobia in utah. My Brother was gay & suffered greatly before his death but never thought of himself and I know he loves me & I still love him very much!

[Tilen74]

I believe you're a good person but look, homosexuality isn't normal. It isn't. One can say it occurs in nature, which is true, but that doesn't mean it is a normal occurrence in nature. It is a deviation from the norm of nature, and thus, it is a deviation from nature, in general. And thus, it isn't normal!

[helamanjones]

I agree its not "normal"

You seem to have a strong opinion.I did not ask for this.I do not want this.Any suggestions on how to get rid of this?

[Tilen74]

How to get rid of what?

[iCEL55]

Tilen74, sure it might not be the norm in nature or "normal" but it's normal for Russ, so what's your point?

[TogetherinParis]

7. Make sure you obtain informed consent from the parents of a minor or from the pervert his or herself if the pervert is over the age of majority. A confession of faith is a good idea since the lachrymation enhances pheromone reception. A sinus lavage (baptism) can also be beneficial.

[blessedlght85]

SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!

If he is "gay" then how was he able to reach climax with his wife and make that many children????? Does anyone have an explanation to this??? Doesn't make sense to me.

[RoDJ99]

He did say he had to think of other men in order to perform. Just because you have an orgasm it doesn't mean it was good. And he said they stopped having sex in the last 12 years of marriage.

[Stephanreyu]

He actually explains this at about 25:30 in the video.

[palupalua12]

i think gay people should be burn cause they humping each other ass yukkkk.

[oahoo]

so what this video is really saying is...don't marry if you know you're can't love your partner, no matter what others tell you cos truly there're alot of other people's happiness at stake. what would be the pain and loss, should russ have succeeded in taking his life? marriage is obviously not a solution here, self-acceptance and reconciling faith (not religion) and self is.

[bheki33]

I'm confused abt wat part of "Judge not" dont christians understand.

[rumbletweety]

What am I thinking, you guys don't follow the Bible do you! The rest of what I wrote still stands.

[rumbletweety]

The exaggeratedly anti-gay interpretation of frankly obscure Bible scripture by the church has resulted in almost destroying this gay man's life and those close to him. The solution is to accept human nature and for gay persons to form committed physical relationships with a members of the same sex whom they love. I'd say Russ has been done over well & good by his church and that is shameful.

[LOUETTA12]

I know I think that people should always react to the uttermosts desires. Homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, adultury, murder.. I mean if you have the urge why deny yourself.. (i am obviously being very sarcastic. I think this like any other sin is selfish...

[rumbletweety]

I know I think that people should always react to the uttermosts desires. Heterosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, adultury, murder.. I mean if you have the urge why deny yourself.. (i am obviously being very sarcastic. I think this like any other sin is selfish...

[LOUETTA12]

Oh and old gay man... So sad

[jernni]

This is a beautiful subject you know. I am LDS and married to a man who has homosexual desires. I knew going into the marriage that he had these. Luckily our intimacy is great, and we work on so many issues. Its ok, but its hard and a lot of work and it takes the Lord to help. Its work, but its beautiful. Oh, and by the way Divorce IS an option. Its just not our option.

[spearmintanthony]

I am also LDS, but how could u stay in a marriage with a man who wants men and not you?

[jetrovay]

Honest man! tuff on the wife, though... thank god I'm straight as an arrow! (it's easy my wife's hot)

[beckydaffodill]

Jesus himself was a homosexual. That's why Catholic priests have sex with boys. That's the only explanation.

[pearlsforswine]

You know that you are full blown insomniac when at 4:30 am your watching Mormons talk about Gay people??

What does it mean to be gay? What does it mean to be Mormon? I don't know.

[tquarrey]

this is funny.

[leoskorn]

Wow now mormons know how to do it. I'm part of a scale I wonder where I am?

[BeatBuddy]

So homosexuality needs a remedy? I didn't know it was a problem! The video merely stenghtens my belief that the real problem with homosexuality is not homosexuality at all; it is religion. Take your Book of Mormons, your Bibles, your Torahs, and your Qur'ans and dump them in the trash can where they belong.

[gdz4321]

Exactly. Religion is about controlling the most fundamental part of a person so you can manipulate them to do whatever you want.

[Mirta88]

Amen =)

[slsteinman]

heartbreaking.

[LOUETTA12]

NOtice how this guy never mentions the Savior or the atonement. I feel so sorry for the woman that he was married to , talk about ruining her life.

[lt981]

You have a heart of stone. Why must you cast this story as one of perpetrator and victim? There's a lot of maturity, sincerity and love in both halves of this unhappy couple. Twenty-five years of loyalty and co-parenting are evidence of this.

[LOUETTA12]

I am sure that the woman looks back and feels that it wasn't all wasted. She probably has some wonderful children and she has probably developed some wonderful attributes after being married to such a selfish guy!

[LOUETTA12]

What is that one saying " You will joy in your works for a season and then the end comes"

[jackson4socks]

I have no idea what you're talking about GeminiNC. But I think its funny that the momo church has flopped on the gay issue. They used to try and pray it away, promoting marriage (if you're gay) and that a hetro life could change you. But could it be that the mo's are now considering that its genetic, and more gays having kids are creating more homo's? So is it best now to stop homo's from having kids so queers will just fade away? Good tactic. It bears consideration.

[GeminiNC]

I applaud the honesty and brave stand that this film takes in the face of so many fearful and unloving humans.

[menuria]

God made us all in his own image, and some in his own likeness. Nevertheless, so many of us fall out of Grace, by committing a number of sins.

Being gay is not a sin. It is genuine and normal, and we can see that from animals. Animals have no morality, and - therefore - they cannot be acting in an IMmoral way. If so many animals are gay (like, e.g. the Emperor's penguin, or a number of lions), how are we to condemn sexuality that is deviant from what we THINK is normal ?

[ozgothic777]

humans are sexual being and sex is what keeeps humans on the earth. personally I think if you love someone - be them handicap , impotent or homosexual should have the right to marry with honesty. I watched both videos and so far guys in denial- total formula. let the gays marry! christ body is about compassion to all (even the hookers)- not hatred masked in religious jargon.

[Thunda1986]

The bible is the word of god and it says it in there thats how we know

[alphakid42]

How we know what? The bible says it is the word of god so it it the word of god? Tell you what, go rent the Penn & Teller program on the bible. It's in the series called 'bullshit' but it tells the truth.

[themoneyreportnet]

Interesting...Nicke background picture. God loves homosexuals but who knows what God thinks about men having sex with men. It's probably a brain thing that makes people fall for one gender or another. They should play this video in seminary. Watch shallow minded people cringe in horror.

[aaronshaf2006]

MormonWiki.org might be of interest to viewers.