The Americans are convinced when a horse has won the United States is the best horse in history. This is really ridiculous! In the real world everyone knows that the best horses ever are italian . Varenne trotting, galloping Ribot. To be the best, you have to travel the world and win big races, beating the strongest horses in the world. Somebeachsomewhere and other donkeys Americans have never seen Europe. The movies are nice, but it is just fantasy. Watch my video about Varenne
LOOK AT THAT MOVE at the 30 second mark by Herve and Nansemond, they moved up 3 lenghts in 10 seconds. AND then at 46 seconds there they go again. THEY got the job done RIGHT THERE ! =save ground AND WHAM !!!!!! IT'S ALL OVER - New Record ---2nd HEAT - NO CHANCE !!!!!!! HERVE THE "ALI" of Harness Racing !
Dancer blew the heat and the Brown Jug by letting Nansemond get to the rail past the 1/4 pole. Albatross was off that day; he had struggled to win the first heat by a head over Nansemond. Since Filion had the only horse capable of beating him even on an off day, Dancer should have parked Herve the entire mile. Instead he let him take the lead in return for Herve agreeing to give the lead back coming to the half. (Watch them chatting just before it happens.) It still annoys me 37 years later.
@mattzct - Don't let it annoy you any longer ! Look at it this way - Herve let him take the lead,just so he could come from behind to kick their ass ! In a race as big as the "JUG", Ole' Herve showed everyone just how GREAT he was !
I was at Roosevelt Raceway the night that Dancer promised to set a new world record with Albatross - HE DID"NT - NOT EVEN CLOSE. In a different race, KEYSTONE PAT,driven by Dr. John Hayes Jr. ran the mile in 1:55 - his quarter time was about 26:4,his half was about 55:3. I thought he was going to drop dead,literally, from a too fast pace. HE WAS UNBELIEVABLE !!! AS FOR HERVE FILION - HE IS,AND ALWAYS WILL BE, THE GREATEST DRIVER OF ALL TIME !!!
If memory serves me correctly Dancer would train a horse hard mid week and on race day many felt some of his horses final kick was left on the training track.
Albatross was the best horse by far but Herve had the best hands by far. Back then we had some of the best racing by far.
You obviously dont know this track..............Stanley did he just ran out of gas because he raced Albatross hard week after week. Thats why he lost the Jug.
You obviously didn't understand my comment. If Dancer hadn't pulled on the final turn (and had sat behind Nansemond until the stretch), he would have won the race. There was no reason to pull at the top of the last turn, which just made the race for Albatross longer than the margin he was beaten by as a result.
I understood your comment just perfectly. You are just wrong. Dancer knew if he did not take the race to Filion early he could not Nansemond was just better then Albatross that day.
Dancer was not equal the driver Filion is. I saw Dancer lose many races because he always thought he was the best and used his horses a bit too hard. I would have loved to see Billy Haughton train Albatross as he was a great horseman by anyones standards.
Dancer is not equal to Filion. NOBODY is equal to Filion. But Stanley was good too. For every race he lost by being to agressive he won three by being agressive.
Equal to Filion's driving ability was Billy Haughton's ability as a trainer and overall horseman. Dancer had the best, bred the best and raced the best while Haughton went head to head against Dancer with cheaper horses. True, Dancer won many races by being aggressive but too he lost more than his fair share of big races because of all out tactics. I never believed Dancer was as good off the pace as he was on the lead while Herve is great at both.
I don't know although Albatross was the best sire of all times (hence a $40,ooo) stud fee circa late 70's) Nanesemond beat him many times?!?! Kraft Stable
I watched Harry Harvey take Albatross as wide as necessary to get the lead by the quarter pole at Yonkers, and then never look back. What a magnificent horse. I had the pleasure of watching Niatross years later in Buffalo in 1980. Quite a racing line.
pull dont pull...pull dont pull .... love that 70's porn music
spikeri812 8 months ago
The Americans are convinced when a horse has won the United States is the best horse in history. This is really ridiculous! In the real world everyone knows that the best horses ever are italian . Varenne trotting, galloping Ribot. To be the best, you have to travel the world and win big races, beating the strongest horses in the world. Somebeachsomewhere and other donkeys Americans have never seen Europe. The movies are nice, but it is just fantasy. Watch my video about Varenne
MrItaliano1900 9 months ago
@MrItaliano1900 - IMAGINE HOW MUCH BETTER HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HERVE DROVE HIM !!!
unclebillmusic 5 months ago in playlist horse racing
this is the time when things were kickin
ANDEEDEE1 1 year ago
LOOK AT THAT MOVE at the 30 second mark by Herve and Nansemond, they moved up 3 lenghts in 10 seconds. AND then at 46 seconds there they go again. THEY got the job done RIGHT THERE ! =save ground AND WHAM !!!!!! IT'S ALL OVER - New Record ---2nd HEAT - NO CHANCE !!!!!!! HERVE THE "ALI" of Harness Racing !
unclebillmusic 1 year ago
herve ans stan have words ?
STU676 1 year ago
i love harness racing thanks to my deceased grandparents colen and cleo(pat) mosher
gvermonter 1 year ago
Dancer blew the heat and the Brown Jug by letting Nansemond get to the rail past the 1/4 pole. Albatross was off that day; he had struggled to win the first heat by a head over Nansemond. Since Filion had the only horse capable of beating him even on an off day, Dancer should have parked Herve the entire mile. Instead he let him take the lead in return for Herve agreeing to give the lead back coming to the half. (Watch them chatting just before it happens.) It still annoys me 37 years later.
mattzct 1 year ago
@mattzct - Don't let it annoy you any longer ! Look at it this way - Herve let him take the lead,just so he could come from behind to kick their ass ! In a race as big as the "JUG", Ole' Herve showed everyone just how GREAT he was !
unclebillmusic 1 year ago
@mattzct - What about the 2nd heat ? Nansemond wire to wire !
unclebillmusic 5 months ago in playlist horse racing
I was at Roosevelt Raceway the night that Dancer promised to set a new world record with Albatross - HE DID"NT - NOT EVEN CLOSE. In a different race, KEYSTONE PAT,driven by Dr. John Hayes Jr. ran the mile in 1:55 - his quarter time was about 26:4,his half was about 55:3. I thought he was going to drop dead,literally, from a too fast pace. HE WAS UNBELIEVABLE !!! AS FOR HERVE FILION - HE IS,AND ALWAYS WILL BE, THE GREATEST DRIVER OF ALL TIME !!!
unclebillmusic 1 year ago
Despite the result, Albatross was the far superior horse
STU676 2 years ago
If memory serves me correctly Dancer would train a horse hard mid week and on race day many felt some of his horses final kick was left on the training track.
Albatross was the best horse by far but Herve had the best hands by far. Back then we had some of the best racing by far.
rwiskavitch 2 years ago
If Dancer had waited until the stretch to make his move in the final heat, he would have blown by Nansemond.
erkoape 2 years ago
You obviously dont know this track..............Stanley did he just ran out of gas because he raced Albatross hard week after week. Thats why he lost the Jug.
bigjoetube 2 years ago
You obviously didn't understand my comment. If Dancer hadn't pulled on the final turn (and had sat behind Nansemond until the stretch), he would have won the race. There was no reason to pull at the top of the last turn, which just made the race for Albatross longer than the margin he was beaten by as a result.
erkoape 2 years ago
I understood your comment just perfectly. You are just wrong. Dancer knew if he did not take the race to Filion early he could not Nansemond was just better then Albatross that day.
bigjoetube 2 years ago
Dancer was not equal the driver Filion is. I saw Dancer lose many races because he always thought he was the best and used his horses a bit too hard. I would have loved to see Billy Haughton train Albatross as he was a great horseman by anyones standards.
rwiskavitch 2 years ago
Dancer is not equal to Filion. NOBODY is equal to Filion. But Stanley was good too. For every race he lost by being to agressive he won three by being agressive.
bigjoetube 2 years ago
Equal to Filion's driving ability was Billy Haughton's ability as a trainer and overall horseman. Dancer had the best, bred the best and raced the best while Haughton went head to head against Dancer with cheaper horses. True, Dancer won many races by being aggressive but too he lost more than his fair share of big races because of all out tactics. I never believed Dancer was as good off the pace as he was on the lead while Herve is great at both.
rwiskavitch 2 years ago
I don't know although Albatross was the best sire of all times (hence a $40,ooo) stud fee circa late 70's) Nanesemond beat him many times?!?! Kraft Stable
spikeri812 3 years ago
Definitely. I was at Yonkers Raceway a few weeks later and saw the great Albatross dust Nansemond. The glory days.
AllThisIsThat 3 years ago
I watched Harry Harvey take Albatross as wide as necessary to get the lead by the quarter pole at Yonkers, and then never look back. What a magnificent horse. I had the pleasure of watching Niatross years later in Buffalo in 1980. Quite a racing line.
anthony4149 2 years ago
Albatross, Niatross and dont forget Nihilator.
bigjoetube 2 years ago
This was harness racing at it's best, heat racing and great horses, anything could happen...
vanillabeankate 4 years ago