Rust in Peace

[pyrofella]

Sad, sad sight.....we are such wastefull bastards at times.....

[gregbassace1]

........but fortunately, there are survivors. Four 60 class remain, five 59's, a meager 5 out of 590 standard goods loco's survive, four 38's, three 36's & some other dribs & drabs that made it to preservation. Count yourselves lucky for the large collection of steam all over Britain, for we were screwed by government-run political VANDALISM that didn't give us any chance to preserve many more. Plus they destroyed many historic depots until nothing was left of any infrastructures.

[wooltman]

@gregbassace1 That's the Tories all over.

[gregbassace1]

It was the same in Australia. Steam began to bow out for the final time in 1952 with the arrival of the 40 class diesel, followed by the EMD GM 42 class, then when ALCO produced the 44, the 45 & the branchline 48 classes, by 1969 it was almost over. If you English are familiar with our crack expess loco's of the 38's, 36's, standard goods 50, 53 & 55 classes, the American 59's & the biggest built by Beyer Peacock, the mighty Garratt 60 class. By 1975, the last loco scrapped was 5917.

[datawraith3080]

love them, or don't understand them,

either way one thing is true, steam locomotives will never go away

i am confident, that humanity will not outlast the steam locomotive, rather i think that the steam locomotive will outlast humanity...

iron will prevail,

now if somebody was to build one out of aluminium, it would never loose its form (although it would be very attractive to the scrapper)

[SONBoomer]

Aluminum isn't quite strong, nor capable to withstand that intense heat for a long time... But if they would mix it with, lets say, titanium and wolfram... I'd give that a shot.

[datawraith3080]

@SONBoomer good thinking, but if somebody found that somewhere it would be melted down about instantly!

also tungsten (germans say wolfraum i would know) would be hard to alloy or cast, but if it was pulled off it would most certainly have the strength and heat resistance to work as a locomotive

[SONBoomer]

Not to mention being more lightweight... Although I'm not sure whether that's good or not...We would DEFINITELY wont need another breed of Multiple Units!

[goinghomesomeday1]

How very sad to see oncee living steam engines, once loved and lovingly cared for being destroyed to make way for lifeless machines without soul.

To see a loco under full steam is a living work of art.

[HoradePreservar]

PLANT A TREE SAVE THE PLANET

[ThomasTheEngine1]

I do not forgive diesel locomotives for their existance!!!!!

[SONBoomer]

Thought the same way, before a bunch of maniacal railway enthusiast in my country used a steam engine to derail (often fully loaded) diesel and electric driven trains (and did this while the Soviet Era, too!). It isn't the engines we have the problem with, it's the people, and it ALWAYS been like that. And, since my close friend died in the final attack of those lunatics back then, I can never forgive, or even look at steam-lover without prejudice. Sorry man, I just can't.

[toasatoshi]

i think, i'm gonna *vomits*

[GeoGhostPBS]

Very sad to see steam engines ripped a part. I can't imagine many people at the scrap yards enjoyed taking them apart - or at least I certainly hope not.

[SONBoomer]

There were some, but not because they were steam engines - because it was their job, and people (us males, in particular) have always been fonded to sheer destruction. A house, a machine, and enemy - we don't differentiate between them. We just destroy, because it gives us the feeling of power. It's in our genes.

[carmel1956]

OMG....that's a horror film....what a shame!

[ROCKSOLID19]

The ones with the beautiful names got the chop, same with the stations in my area e.g. Bala, Caernarfon, Y Felinheli, Amlwch, Llangefni, Ruthin, Trawsfynnydd and many others. I understand the advantages of diesel over steam such as instant power @ the turn of the key but they are bloody hideous with no soul.

[tom201090]

@ROCKSOLID19 if u mean the Bala Lake Railway that is narrow gauge not standard gauge!

[gaycowboy31]

this is enough to bring tears seeing I know it does everytime I see a video here in the US of ours being cut up what a shame I just love steam what ever country it ran in and I have just returned from the UK and learnng about the British ones as well I look foward to returning in April to ride some preserved steam there

[pennyf9]

people who scrap steam locomotives are environmenalists! people who care MORE about the environment then anything else!

[SONBoomer]

They knew nothing about global warming or emission rate back then! It was their job to cut them up! Christ, why is it so hard to understand?!

[pennyf9]

@SONBoomer ooops, fail on my part, i meant today.

[smsw1516]

I could almost here the screams of agony as each piece of metal dropped to the floor. If I had the money I would save them all...

[SONBoomer]

That is one thing that puzzles me... WHY didn't the BR SELL those engines? They could've made a lot more money than by scrapping them... Hmmmm... Must of been a drop in the metal resource market....

[pennyf9]

such a shame, a locomotive similar to the olton hall being scrapped, that should be an electric.

[HitchinTrains]

:'(

[pixxiestix26]

its sad to see a good steam engine be scraped and burned

[pixxiestix26]

its sad to see a odd steam egine be scrapd and burned

[trainlover479]

now all we need to do is rebuild ALOT of Steam locos and Scrap em diesiels and electrics, their no use..., only steam can do jobs

[MusicalElitist1]

It breaks my heart. Such beautiful creatures, torn apart like that.

[accadaccasuperstar]

this sends a shudder down my spine! i love the gwr!

[Trainfanz]

CURSE YOU SCRAPPERS!

[newblenderbeer]

Stil, the people who think we should go back to using steam engines everywhere are idiots. That idea is ridiculous. The ZX Spectrum was great but does that mean it should be re-released to compete with modern computers?

[newblenderbeer]

The steam holocaust is a real shame but at least steam still has a place in the modern world. Meanwhile, the days of diesel are numbered with fuel prices rising and more lines being electrified.

[kirbyfan600]

(hyperventilaten) nooooooooooo no cut it up!!

[Randomstufliker]

Curse the scrap yards

[ZedfriedLoid]

some where just left in place

[augustoblues89]

not! it is a crime. time spent to build them, for what? Do it? bad man! preverve not destroy!!!!

[theredraven]

Ohhhhhhhhh it's a crime. How dare those evil men at Brush and English Electric build diesels to replace them which were cheaper and easier to run!

[BordiniBlues85]

this is a crime!

[ExcaliburLink]

Why throw away so many locomotives?

[SR722]

I've always hated watching the scrapping process; once grand locomotives, planes, and ships, are hastily reduced into virtually worthless additions to our woefully present-minded society, which cannot appreciate the past, or realize the effect that the precedent eras have had on our future. I realize that scrappers are people as well, and have to make a living, but I would certainly dread going to work if that was my job.

[theredraven]

It's the ever advancing onward march of technology I'm afraid.

Plus, you have to have the money to preserve these things. Otherwise what are you going to do? leave them to rot?

[Marillionmad]

Urgh, steam trains, practically lived, and we killed em :O lol

Brilliant engines though

[01276]

I was actually wondering this the otherday. like how much emissions does a steam loco give out if its got a steam condensor; (i think its called) like the london underground steam locos had?

[Marillionmad]

When I was a kid, I told people about the steam trains on the undergound, I got laughed at :(

[ROCKSOLID19]

@01276 Are there any british steam loco's left that needs a total overhaul at the moment????

[01276]

Loads, just go to any preservation line there's always at least a couple in bits or various states of repair

[GWR4079]

@ROCKSOLID19 barry 10 mate

[trainlover658]

@ROCKSOLID19 well there are some that have been overhauled almost 3 or 4 times, a handful havent turned a wheel under their own power since their withdrawal, overhauling steam locomotives takes alot of time and effort, especially without the proper financial support (bloody credit crunch ¬_¬) but still some recon its cheaper just to build new engines rather than overhaul, with some of the ones in the condition they're in.... sad really...

[tom201090]

@ROCKSOLID19 yep! 

[ROCKSOLID19]

@tom201090 I would like to own a former GWR loco. I have searched online and some are for sale but im not sure if they are up to date. The Railway Museum in York, I may go there to ask and the GWR trust may help me. I was considering a conversion from coal to sunflower/rapeseed oil like the Swiss do then run it on a reopen section of GWR outside Bala, North Wales.

[KateFan]

@ROCKSOLID19 nice idea, but it'll take more than your pocket money kid.

[ROCKSOLID19]

@KateFan Im well aware of the sheer costs involved. Im looking for a total basketcase. I have plenty of cash to fund a restoration of a British/Irish mainline loco or a British built exported loco. There are some in Iraq, India and various nations in Africa which are difficult to get to logistically and of course, politically. Garretts and North British I am most keen on. Maybe a Japanese train, steam or electric. Hitachi, Toshiba and weirdly, Kawasaki.

[WelshSaddler]

@01276 Less than a diesel does, even without the steam condensor

[newblenderbeer]

@WelshSaddler Where do you get your facts? If a steam train is so clean, then what are those clouds of thick black smoke coming out of the funnel.

[tom201090]

@newblenderbeer chiefly water vapour/soot/cinders which does not make it into the atmosphere

[newblenderbeer]

@tom201090 Of all the fossil fuels, coal is the worst. Not to mention the amount that gets used as steam trains are only 8% efficient at best while on average, diesels are 20% efficient. Tornado for example, requires a hundredweight of coal every 2 1/2 miles, creating 15,000 grams of CO2 every kilometre. 90 times the emissions of a small car.

[andyg3]

@newblenderbeer

water vapour (basically same as clouds)

soot

ash

they are visilbe and fall to earth.

only the stuff you cant see goes up

[newblenderbeer]

@andyg3 True (to some degree) but that's beside the point. The point is that, by-products aside, a diesel produces less CO2 emissions than a steam engine. Coal is essentially pure carbon, with impurities depending on the quality.

[andyg3]

@newblenderbeer

i dont think the emissions from a few steam engines is enough to worry about.

theres bigger problems/ causes away from home.

tho one thing i found, that even tho the global warming charts went up when the industrial revolution started, ltos of coial burning etc, it went up even more when steam locos were totally phased out from the railways, diesels took over, cars became more popular, more and more diesel, petrol oil was being used, etc etc

[SONBoomer]

China is somewhat lucky. They have an assload of anthracite.

[datawraith3080]

@01276 a good engineer on a level grade can reduce the emissions of a steam locomotive to 99 percent water

[andyg3]

you look at a global warming chart. and it seems to rise alot when steam was taken off the rails.

[andrexiostudios]

yeah. Diesels burn off more carbon dioxide than steamers, since fire smoke and steam are natural. Carbon Dioxide destries ozone, so doing this messed up everything!

[WhyAyeMann]

Burning coal in a firebox didnt help the ozone, but is one hell of alot better than thousands of autos on the road. I love steam, if they pollute or not, put them back on the line!

[andrexiostudios]

Yeah! I read that there is a possibility that Steam will come back, due to the price and fuel of those gassy things.

[theredraven]

No, they'll just have more electric powered locomotives.

Clean, cheap and quick. Not much effort involved.

[SONBoomer]

Or those new, magnetic monorail trains. Very fast, smooth, clean, and comfortable, but characterless and quite dull.

[Marillionmad]

I heard that ages ago. .. :( Shame it might nt happen, could do though. but oh well...

[andrexiostudios]

It is possible: RR enthusiasts may (especially Bluebell RR) buy more steam Locos, and with Tech advancing, we may be able to clone coal (it's a nonrenewable resource after all) and steam will get back. Also if the loco looks like something from Thomas and Friends, people'll buy it and make it into them.

[Marillionmad]

Yeah,

I mean we could make a green steam train, maybe have filters and stuff, in the funnel and stuff, which makes the smoke clean.

[andrexiostudios]

Or make some more high-tech water heaters so fire would be lessly used. But then the phrase "fire, smoke n steam" will be meaningless.

[SONBoomer]

There were some Electro-steam engines built on the Swiss Federal Railways back between the two Wars. They were merely tank engines with electric heaters on the side and a pantograph on the top of the cab. Funny thing is, the equipment was AC, while the overhead wires used DC.

[SONBoomer]

Since steam was abandoned (and scrapped aswell), people didn't made further steps in modernizing it... Made a few steam-turbines and the Swiss Railways came up with the idea of Electro-Steam engines, waaaay back after WW1, but that's all.

[SONBoomer]

My best idea: ABOLISH private, motorized vehicles, order strictly described airline paths, and let buses, trains, and boats do the job. This way, we could advance steam again, and it would have a GREAT chance for a comeback! We could also deploy our often dysfunctional diesel and electric engines. Regardless of fuel, engines are engines, and rails are rails. Beeching axed cause of Britain's financial situation, not out of fun! Plus, a road-lobbying Conservative government ORDERED him to do so.

[gregbassace1]

@SONBoomer Though I love steam, it's a sad fact that we can't go back to the past. The horse has already bolted, & if you think a total ban on private cars will work, think again. There's easily over 20,000,000 cars, trucks, buses & others on the roads now & abolition of private ownership of all vehicles will cause a massive riot & unrest. People don't like to be told their family car by government dictate, is to be taken away for scrap & they use public transport. It,ll never work, that's fact.

[SONBoomer]

Indirect methods: higher fuel prices, -maintenace cost, -selling prices, taxes, lower speed limits and ticket prices.

[WhyAyeMann]

Ya know, even tho its not because steam was taken off the rails, that is ironicly true XD

[theredraven]

That's because people bought cars and couldn't be bothered paying to travel on trains.

I mean why conform to a strict timetable when you could drive at whatever time YOU want?

[steamboy51]

exactly!  it's like killing a human being.

[SONBoomer]

Then why not kill the humans them selves? Smile, politicians, smile for the machine gun!

[thelonenerd]

do u reakon they can scream ?

[VaderNES]

This video is saddening. Watching fine steam engines being chopped-up because of the cunts that ran British Railways makes me want to cry. I want to scrap diesel, bring back steam. If diesel was scrapped, I would even help personally with the process. Diesels and the BR cunts caused this scrapping to occur, and I will never forgive such a heinous act.

[01276]

Train enthusiasts dont run the railway, steam locos where less efficient then diesels and due to financial conditions at BR from the mid 1950s they needed to become more efficient and not stay with old technology. They didnt just appoint Dr Beeching for fun, while his policy was and still is controversial to say the least, it was the only way BR was going to make any attempt out of not going further into financial crisis.

Also please try not to use the C word,

Thanks 01276

[VaderNES]

Yes, but Diesels are soul-less, heart-less, and lack any character. In addition, BR sent many fine steam engines to the scrap yards instead of selling them to tourist railways for cheap, or to the US or Japan (also for tourists and specials), or to poor countries like India, China, etc. Instead, BR decided to scrap their heritage and replace it with what is now more expensive, Diesel fail-trains.

[andyg3]

I think the age if diesel is almost over, most trains now are foreign plastic things, but some diesels are still used.

I think steam should rule the rails, it fits in, they fit the rails, they get peoples hearts. I dont see why we cant use them, the power is there, its available, its very powerful and there are people willing to run them.

[steamboy51]

exactly what I say.

[Ramerez491]

What else do you expect them to do with them? thousands upon thousands of them you cant just keep them even the amount that escaped scrap is a hell of alot, im sorry but ive got nothing against all of that but people that say put steam back on the main line for regular service are rediculous where and who do you expect to pay for all that coal and maintain and clean them everyday? we used to have alot of coal mines in this country we dont anymore its just not practical in any way or form

[steamboy51]

youn sir, do not understand what a steam engine is.

there are many instances of steam locomotives being faster, more eficient, more reliable, and more personable than diesels.

sometimes even outdoing them over and over.

take a look at the 9F, for example!

I have really had it with stereotypes against steam being slow, ineffiecient and anti-enviromental. diesels are evetry bit as dirty, and global warming dont even exist anyway.

[WhyAyeMann]

that would have been a good idea to send em off to countries who needed them. (from my point of view anyway.) In britain, at the time, diesel was cheaper. Steam engines had soul, could make a person smile. Diesels could not. But when your trying to keep your company going, even though its sad, you got to do what you got to do. They werent cunts for doing it.

[theredraven]

"Soul" has nothing to do with. Steam engines no doubt have more character and charm but that isn't the purpose of a locomotive. It's built to haul heavy loads at high speeds.

Besides, I'd say the Deltics, Warships, Hymeks and 08's have brought many a smile to the faces of railway lovers.

[VaderNES]

1. It still shows that steam can reach such speeds, and if steam would have been developed more, it could do more than that.

2. Maybe so, but now oil is expensive, and steam can come-back as a cheaper alternative (water and coal are cheaper than oil).

3. It does matter in passenger cases. Notice how funeral trains are all hauled by steam? People are chearmed by steam more, which would make them perfect for passenger trains.

4. BR 08s remind me of oily evil.

[WhyAyeMann]

First rule of thumb for anything man has made, weather its a steam engine, a deltic, an automobile, a plane or even you blinkie at home, If you put lots of time, care, and effort to create something (or in the blinket's case, sleep with it and cherish it) that something will almost always seem to have a soul of its own, and seem to almost have a life of its own. Steam needed all that care and attention, and plus when you fire it up all that care and effort seems to physicly come to life...

[WhyAyeMann]

...not to say that deltics and warships couldnt crack a smile.

[bennymilk]

but.....the when the diesels came in br saw it fitting as coal prices were going up and oil were going down so between 1960-1968 steam started to die and diesels came in with the last schedueled steam hauled train taking the 15 guenia special on 11th august 1968. but diesels caused even more pain to BR than ever before those br c words. also Dr. beeching did make a few mistakes. now a days there are many lines which br are now regreting closing and are starting to reopen some of the old stations

[Mechknight73]

@01276 The grand irony, was that many of them, still fully functional locomotives could have been sold rather than just cut up for scrapmetal. Not just to enthusiasts, but to developing countries. Steam engines will always be less ifficient than diesel, but overall more reliable. a diesel engine has to be 95% functional to run, a steam engine can be down to 15% and still go

[Ramerez491]

and to your other comment are you kidding me diesel is more expensive? what planet are you from? steam loco's only have a range of 300 miles and have to stop for water regulary very few can cruise at the line limits most struggle even at that + steam loco's do tend to slip alot and have very poar acceleration what do you want to do let the whole network come to a stand still with all the diesels queued up behind the steam? dont let your enthusiasm make you look stupid

[VaderNES]

Your comment is null and void because you have used too many run-on sentences and it is lacking punctuation for the most part.

[VaderNES]

Not to mention there are engines like Mallard or the Union of South Africa, which are very fast. In addition, the Flying Scotsman was able to go 100. And don't think that Diesels can circle the globe without refueling, because it is wrong. Diesels too need to refuel.

[theredraven]

Flying Scotsman can do over 100.

An Intercity 125 can potentially do 140mph.

And some of what you call "diesels" aren't diesels at all. They're electric powered (something that was happening very early on in the 20th century).

[VaderNES]

Even still, the Scotsman was not the pinnacle of steam power. The Scotsman was not aerodynamic like later steamers, like Mallard or Union of South Africa, and it still went 100. Mallard did 126, and even it wasn't the pinnacle of steam (there were also speed-limits, which limited it).

[theredraven]

Mallard was nearly broken permanently on that run. A few seconds more and the engine could potentially have blown up.

The 9F is arguably the pinnacle of steam locomotion in the UK but it came in an age where Deltics & Hymeks as well as road haulage were coming to the fore. It was a superb design but something much better suited for an earlier age.

I love steam trains but needs must and diesels were simply the more viable alternative by the 1960's. Even in Germany they ended in the 70's.

[SONBoomer]

Nearly broken? She would of EXPLODED, but luckily, her cylinder gave in first (as far as I know).

[pieman97405]

Why!?! Oh all mighty lord why!?!

[Inuyasha4lif]

SAD

[sheep21]

disheartening to say the least!

[Mattaeae]

It's every railway engineers nightmare.

[WhyAyeMann]

Luckily some of these loco's were put back into service, if not restored.

[andyg3]

ITS HELL ON EARTH

[DutchBantamLover]

It really is a Graveyard....what a shame.

[broomboi]

i think they should make another oakley hall!!! bring back 6930!

[zombiesonacid]

Ah well...diesels it is then...grand!

[choirboyfromhell]

Sad....Barry, Rugby or Crewe?

[dspf85]

Best place for a great western engine

[01276]

haha .. now commence the froth!...

[SulzerSupremo]

Nice video there. Whether they are steam or diesel, its always a sad sight to see locomotives being cut up. What we really need to see on the scrap lines are Voyagers and Pacers.

[georgemiser]

steam,diesel,electric,high speed,even monorail.everyone likes at least one kind of train,and its sad to see them ripped up.

[Driverman2008]

This reminds me of the holocaust in some ways. It's a slaughterhouse and graveyard for great British steam trains.

[globalvelveta]

I agree and it happened world wide, I don't like the diesels all that much. But electrics have no personality at all.

[edj66]

@globalvelveta The only electric I like is the 91.

[patrickjmorgan]

My 8-year-old cried!

[Dace1000]

cosa youve got it all wrong, the diesels are the stinky things.

it is a sad video

[andyg3]

if it wasnt for steam engine then we wouldnt be wehere we are now.

there wouldnt of have been an industrial revolution, and there would still be farmers and pesants

[RichardSwayne]

THE HORROR!

:'(

[34045]

wonder what happend to all that metal sda vid

[ogwen040]

Wonder where that guy was going with Oakley Hall's nameplate...

[Traceymermaid]

So sad........

[Driverman2008]

I agree. Very sad.:( I wish I could go back in time and save one of those British engines and bring it back to America and get it restored.

[jeorge345]

ARG :(

[JonatanGronoset]

Noooooo not the steamys! D; Sad vid, altho not as bad as the slaughter in WW2...

[ryskinner]

wow! thats how they killed steam engines back then?

[KurtGnu]

Sad video.. just think.. some of those restored, instead of destroyed.. but alas, that is the cost of progress.. sigh.. Very well made video!! :)

[Steam1989]

Rest in peace.