Up until recently, my pick for the best heavyweight would have been Gene Tunney. He would have beaten Ali the way Jimmy Young did (but he got robbed), except that he was more disciplined and had a tremendous punch as well. I now believe today's Eastern European heavyweights are the best ever because of their overwhelming size, skills and superior training methods. We Americans do not like to admit this and we say that (because there are no Americans in the top 10) the division today is sub-par.
cassius clay was in his twenties when he fought a prime frazier,,,prior to the fight cassius said he would crawl on his hands and knees and kiss fraziers feet if he lost,,,,said to say clay would have to go to morturary now,,,frazier is still waiting,,,,,clay beat two worthy challengers preparing for frazier fight,,,he was young and ready by his own admission,,look at the fight,,,clay got his assed whipped fair and square,,get your head out of clays ass
mike tyson was more of a threat than joe frazier ever was,,rip joe,,,but a young tyson destroys cassius clay,,,,if frazier whipped clays ass easily,,im sure a prime tyson would
@nastylefthook1 lol. When did Frazier EVER beat Ali easily? Frazier went to the hospital for a month after beating Ali in '71. And let us not forget that was not a prime Ali Frazier fought either, while Frazier was at his very best.
@MrJoelouisbarrow It's a sad day when a man can't post an opinion like I did without having some dumb motherfucker getting on here and calling him names. But I'll explain to your dumb ass. Ali was forced out of boxing as he was approacing his prime. Most experts will tell you we probably never saw the best of Ali. He was out of boxing for almost 4 years, came back and fought Quarry and Bonavena, but was never the same fleet footed, lightning reflex guy he was in the 60s. moron.
@bandit7498 I agree that there should be respect here. I have to disagree, respectively, with you. Consider some of Ali's fights during the 60s. He had an unpopular decsion over Doug Jones, was knocked down and almost out by Henry Cooper, the Liston fights were fixed, He fought some very poor quality opponents like Brian London and a middle-aged Clevland Williams who had a bullet in his stomach. Ali was good but not the greatest.
@emoran001 I personally will never accept that the Liston fights were fixed. Liston took a helluva ass whoopin' in the 1st fight. It's not typical for an opponent who's throwing a fight to take that much punishment. I personally believe Liston quit in the 2nd fight to avoid another humiliating defeat, but that's my opinion. I definitely think he could have continued. And while Ali might have had a few tough fights against lesser opponents I judge a man by his greatest performances.
@emoran001 I would also suggest that Ali's greatest tests in the ring came when he was past his prime, from '71 on. That's when we found out how well he could take a shot, how much determination and courage the man had. We were robbed of the opportunity to see the best of what he had to offer in my opinion. I think it would have been awesome to have seen him tested like in the 70s while he was at the height of his powers. Who would be your pick as best heavyweight and why?
@MrJoelouisbarrow And I wasn't knocking what Frazier did in '71. But facts are facts. Looking back at that fight it's easy as pie to see Ali was a lot slower than he was before his exile from the ring. And a couple years later when he easily won the rematch, it was obvious how much ring rust he had shaken off, and as a result the second fight was a much easier fight for Ali. You're obviously an idiot to get on here for no reason and insult people just because you disagree bitch
After Joe Louis, Sonny Liston is the second greatest boxer-puncher in heavyweight history. This probably took place between 1960-62 based on how Terrell's body doesn't seem to be quite filled out. Liston's boxing skills are very underrated, and as you could see he was just jogging in this sparring session.
to my knowlage tyson never fought oliver mccall, george foreman, michael moorer, shannon briggs, hasim rahman, john ruiz, tommy morison, david tua, chris bryd or riddick bowe and they were all world champions while tyson was around. then when he fought anyone of any caliber he lost i mean douglas only beat one world champ and that was tyson james quick tilis lasted 2 fights with a 'prime' tyson both of them were no where near ali's ability not to mention larry holmes out pointed tyson for 3round
@MrLukedanger prime tyson would have devastated every fighter youve mentioned,no exceptions.im stunned you would even mention mike moorer,and a slow motion foreman then would be a custom made slaughter.a one trick pony like morrison??odds would be 8 to 1 in vegas....silly stuff man. prime tyson was a wreckin ball,you must have a short memory.
@dempsey981 I agree with everything that you posted with the exception of Foreman. Imagine the physical Foreman of 1973 with maturity that he had in 1993? He wasn't the most skillful or speedy heavy but the guy was smart and had underrated timing.
@jperez9805 sure,yer right.look how old george stood up to a very ready evander holyfield.that says alot.if you are old[and he was]you dont get far with an evander if you are not smart.george got ring wise,he had to.
@jperez9805 oh i do wanna mention that while you are very correct about george,i stand by my prediction that mike would have,imo,prevailed against george in the 90's.however i recognize that at that level,ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN,HEY ITS PRO HIGH LEVEL BOXING.
@Onieracraft lol@your reading comprehension as well,did i suggest that somewhere?even if i did,that outcome is well within the reach of possible.foreman was great but dodged by his own admission quarry,and was humiliated by jimmy young,therefore a prime mike defeat scenario is far from a farce.no one would be completely safe against a prime mike.any guy with strong defence,FAST,hard in shape,that can hit with both hands like a railgun is no farce,and is always dangerous.hell thats obvious.
@dempsey981 What determines what is possible is not how supposedly "wonderful" a fighter is from some generic standpoint, but how their styles match up against other fighters. Tyson would not be a problem for anyone, he would be a problem for anyone who doesn't match well with his style.
@Onieracraft you really dont even know what your talking about sir.certain skill sets run across all possible match styles,i.e a Robinson,a Louis,thats in fact why some guys go mostly or even completely undefeated.thats what versatile means..i dont know exactly,concisely what you're tryin to even say.are you tryin to say mike was mediocre?in another post u mumbled on how mike couldnt take out tucker and tillis?yer a fuckin idiot,you dont know what talent even is, yer likely a troll,piss off.
You want to base Tyson's versatility on things he never actually even did? Typical of a Tyson fanatic ("Tyson woulda coulda" ). Tyson never fought a single fight not coming forward, never fought a single fight not operating in the peekaboo style style of Cus Damato.
But I guess now you want to make up imaginary scenarios? Leap off Tyson's nut sack and learn something about Boxing.
@Onieracraft you're vulgar,thats not required here.as far as having a set style,i.e.moving forward/peeka boo,thats not a weakness.marciano moved forard,dempsey moved forward,i could go on and on naming forward movers.the peeka boo is a hand style like moores cross arm etc,not a weakness.i wont further defend mike,history does that for him.hes hugely popular grossed hundreds of millions and thrilled the masses,a legend.extremely explosive ,dangerous guy,enormously skilled in his prime.
Looking at Tyson's career, he never really passed any big tests. He fought mediocre guys on his way up and couldn't knock out Bonecrusher Smith or Tony Tucker. Mike Spinks was a good light-heavy and was scared. He finally fights Douglas who comes in with a plan, stands up to Tyson and that's it. Douglas used the same tactics that Ali would've used---left jabs, right leads, and tie him up. Tyson folded when guys stood up to him. If anything, Tyson would've been in awe of Ali. No contest.
@scott053 i didnt know that,but it sounds about right roughly.he got hit way too much,thats obvious.i get weary of this greatest of all time slogan,as Sugar suggested,its probably not the case.
Actually, Fraiser beat Ali twice but was robbed in the second fight. No way Ali knocked Liston out with that one-punch phantom punch! I asked Wepner, who fought Liston and Foreman, who would win and he said Liston.
@mdmcdd1117 I guess sometimes people see what they want to see. Jimmy Young gave Ali a boxing lesson & was robbed. An amature with only 8 fights, Spinks, beat Ali, and almost did it in the rematch. Cooper had him down and almost out, but Dundee got Ali extra time to recover. Jones beat Ali and was robbed. Some of the guys Ali beat were pathetic:London, Foley, old Williams with a bullet in him, Evangelista. Ali struggled with Evangelista! Klitzchco would have beaten Ali easily. Ali is a myth!
@MrBumboclart Buddy, consider the word "metacognition." It means thinking about one's thinking. The statements I made are correct. You think the way you do because you have been programmed to think that way (and not just about boxing). Dare to think independently and reconsider the Ali myth. The powres that be have reasons for creating and promoting the Ali cult. Ditto John Lennon, FDR, etc.
@emoran001 Stop talking shit. How does Doug Jones compare to Klitschko or Henry Cooper? Not at all. Look how Ali performed against flat footed, upright jabbers...Cleveland Williams (who probably had the same chin but hit harder than Wlad) and Chuck Wepner - Ali dominated. No way would Klitschko win and that's based purely on style and record, not on his personality or the hype around him. Ali is no David Haye.
@MrBumboclart Don't use profanity while discussing opinions. You make yourself look ignorant and immature. It's absolutely incredible that you would even compare Klitscho to Williams and Wepner. Both Klitschkos are light years ahead of those fighters. Williams was good before he fought Ali but he was only a shell of his former self when he fought the Ali because of the shooting.. The younger Klitschko does have some glass in his jaw, but no one can reach it now. Ali would be easy for both.
@emoran001 There is only so far you can argue with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Maybe in a year I'll reply to this comment and see if you matured at all. Good day and good luck in coming to your senses.
@BabyTua You made good points. I'm not sure, though, how adaptable he was. He had difficulty with skillfiull boxers like Young and Doug Jones. He was vulnerable to left hooks. Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper and Fraiser knocked him down with left hooks. Also, when he didn't have a psychological advantage he struggled with the less-than-average fighters such as Evangilista and lost to the undisciplened and amauterish Spinks. He didn't have the punch necessary to beat the Klitschkos.
And I want to point out, that Wladimir might have a good left hook. But he never use it. Maybe against some minor opponents, but not against contenders. He beat Chambers in the last 15 seconds with a hook.... maybe out of desperation, I never now. His hook is a sham left hook. it's not intented to be one bit effectiv, it's just to bring his opponent in position for a right hand. It's very hard to descripe how it look, but he does it.
@BabyTua Vitali is a better fighter than Wladimir because he has a much better chin. I was not suggesting that either Klitschko would beat Ali with a left hook, although that could happen. I think that either Klitschko would easily beat Ali by decision. Wladimir does have some glass in his jaw, but no one can reach it now that he's progressed as a boxer. His olde brother would be the exceptioon, but that fight will never happen.
even minor fighters than Ali, Frazier, Foreman would beat Waldimir. I noticed that faster,smaller guys look much better against Wlad than the usuall Bums. And even an old guy like Shanon Brinks can sustain ;)
@BabyTua Again, Vitali is th better of the two brothers because he has it all, including a solid chin. Fraiser would have been target practice like he was against Foreman. And, let's keep in mind some things about Foreman. A powder puncher, Jimmy Young, knocked him down and beat him. Lyle had him down twice. Foreman is another over rated fighter like Ali. Quarry got the better of him in a sparring session and he ducked Quarry after that. The Klitschkos have taken boxing to a higher level.
vitali ain't got no chin power. he fights with his mouth open and his arms wraped around hir arse. hw boxing is at his lowest level ever. Klitschkos are very easy to cut and tko, too.
Only three men put Ali down in almost twenty years. At least two men that Ali knocked out,, Foreman and Liston, would have knocked both Klitschkos out.
@mdmcdd1117 Ali did not knock out Liston. Those fights were fixed. Foreman fought a stupid fight and collapsed from exhaustion. Regarding your silly comment that I am out of my mind, that goes to show the extent of the brainwashing about the Ali myth. You cant even comprehend the possibility that the man who was decked by Banks, Cooper and Fraiser, lost to the amaturish Spinks, was outboxed by Young, defeated by Norton, givien an unfair win over Jones and Fraiser in the 2nd fight, wasnt great.
Fixed is a roomer that was never proven.... Ali was took quick for Liston in their 1st fight. and the only reason Liston quit on his chair was as boxing historians say " a shoulder injury" and the fact that Liston pretty much gave up and didn't want Ali to look so great in his 8th round prediction. Their 2nd fight where Liston went down from Ali's anchor punch I agree would not have been enough to "knock out" Liston. He most probably got threatened by the black muslims and took a dive.
Ali was too much of a proud man to authorize any of this..... Ali wanting a fixed match on his record? i don't think so, was not his fault. Foreman did fight a stupid fight.... but none the less Ali took Foreman's greatest hits and withstood them...... he stood toe to toe with foreman didn't dance. Now Frazier l was a great fight and beat Ali fairly although i think Ali was to quick to come off a 3 and a half year lay off and only have 2 tune up fights. Ali v Frazier ll won fairly.
ali v norton l broken jaw 2nd or 3rd round..... lost because of this. Cant believe you even brought spinks up lol Ali was over the hill and was already experiencing Parkinson's disease, you might as well chuck in holmes and ali then? It's no myth..... he truly is the greatest heavyweight boxer that ever lived..... yes even better than joe louis who once fought max shemeling and had trouble with him. Schmeling weighed only 180 pounds for the fight
@DonShaun237 Let's consider some of Ali's fights before he was past his prime. Four in a row: vs. Doug Jones: questionable decision, Henry Cooper: almost ko'd & saved by Dundee's stalling tactic, Liston 1: possibly fixed, Liston 2: obvious dive. Regarding Norton, fights 2 & 3 were close enough to have been draws and mnay think Norton was robbed in those fights. Schemelling small? So was the powder puncher Jimmy Young who gave Ali a boxing lesson & got robbed. Ali struggled wi Evangilista!
@emoran001 If he would've won those fights easily, You would've called them 'Bums'. Jones fight, was close but he won. Much was made of the 'stall' tactic,but it was more legend than truth,Even Cooper didn't complain. Watch the 1st Liston fight again,& look for the body shots he threw when Clay(Ali) was temporarily blinded. Norton (3rd fight) should've finished up stronger,he might have won. Young used duck & move tactics & never controlled the fight. Evangelista,Struggled,Are you serious?
@Nickcat5 British heavyweight Henry Cooper, best known for knocking down a young Muhammad Ali in their 1963 bout, has passed away at the age of 76. Ali recovered from that fourth round knock down but may have been aided by the stalling tactics of trainer Angelo Dundee, who bought Ali additional time to recover between rounds by calling the referee's attention to a tear in Ali's gloves. By the time Ali's glove had been replaced, he had fully recuperated and proceeded to stop Cooper on cuts.
@emoran001 when ali finally faced a guy with perpetul motion and speed,he had all kinds of problems.It wasnt the punchers that bothered ali,it was the awkward guys who were also fast.Thats why I always maintin that classic 88 tyson beats ali because that style is no good for ali but for a young foreman it is.
@fadethetrade I agree that boxing is a lot about styles, and yes, Tyson's style would have been a big problem for Ali and I think Tyson would have knocked him out. Ali had trouble with other types of fighters, too. Jimmy Young was too good of a boxer for him, although he got robbed. Perpetual motion fighters are a variation of pressure fighters. Not all pressure fighters are perpetual motion. Ali had problems with Bonavena and did not look good against Chuvalo. Yes, Tyson by KO over Ali.
@emoran001 I doubt it. I'd say Ali's height and reach give him a hughe advantage. He would jab Tyson senseless. Ali was never knocked out. He was knocked down, but got up fairly fast. His chin was amazing. Tyson did not have that kind of chin. Foreman was a harder hitter. Tyson is a better boxer, but he did not do well against those who did not fear him. Tyson might have won against a 76 Ali. I think a 74 Ali would probably go the distance with him. A 67 Ali would annihilate him.
@MrBumboclart in a word yer wrong!!dont build a case against klitch by pointin out a ham and egg fighter like wepner,its ridiculous.klitch plenty trouble for ali,believe me,and im NOT a klitch fan at all.
@dempsey981 With a name like 'dempsey981' you would think ya know boxing. But if you think Klitschko would give Ali trouble your either a poser or a crack smoker. The same Klitschkos who went the distance with Shannon Briggs and David Haye? Get outta here. Ali would dance around those two, slow, big fools all night. They haven't beaten a legit CLASS-A fighter EVER, THATS A FACT! Lewis? Byrd? Oh no wait...I SAID BEAT!
@MrBumboclart MATE ACTUALLY I THINK THAT I KNOW "A BIT " ABOUT BOXING AND I THINK THAT VITALI KLITSCKO AND WLADIMIR WOULD GIVE ALI PROBLEMS, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, BUT STILL THE GOAT WINS
@dempsey981 Corrie Sanders knocked Wlad out cold what would Ali do to him? And an old, fat Lennox Lewis whupped Vitali so bad the doctors had to stop it....THESE are the two guys youre saying would give Ali trouble? Come on man, BE REAL
@MrBumboclart the version of lewis who fought vitali was not as fast as he used to be but he was a monster of 257 pounds and still he had problems to support vitali in the clinch, the truth is the the size is a big factor , and ali was a stylist and he was small compared with the klitschos and he would have serious problems outboxing them, they are 6´7-6´8 athletic monsters with some skill, not a skinny 6´5 like terrel.
@MrBumboclart ali would have had trouble with klitchko,no doubt. he would need to get inside,and he was not a great inside fighter,that simple.he had enormous problems with much less skilled fighters,much smaller.he was great but....
@emoran001 You said Ali is a myth so it must mean that Hitler is a myth to you too, with all the other things like slavery, racism, war, and so everything else. Im guessing my relatives are myths too and so is my comment. Just because i said they were myths doesn't make it true.
@bumblebeemoi styles make fights.. norton was destroyed by foreman, but beat ali at least two times out of three.. Ali beat foreman. so what? it's just about the styles man.
it's an exhibition. Liston wasn't going so hard and as you can see he staggered him with a left hook and popped his face with jabs: Sonny would rip ernie up in a real fight.
@TommyGun7111 not little tommy, liston might not kill nobody, because he was 210 pounds and 6´0 in his prime, he faced pure garbage (179,180,195 pounds guys) and still his %ko is a joke, liston was strong in his era, geore foreman would murder liston. liston stoped wepner by cuts and forman killed wepner in 3 round slol, liston could not ko eddie machen and joe frazier killed machen.
you're fucking stupid Consta. Why don't you find a real hobby besides responding to me on youtube. I'm possitive that everyone here would agree with you.
not little tommy? lmfao. you're fucking stupid dude. Liston would kill Foreman. easy. it wouldnt even be a fight. you stupid piece of shit. get a life.
@jimmynablee little fat tommy, george foreman loved liston, he would not want fight against liston because foreman might kill his hero.
ali,holmes,holyfield,foreman,tyson, lewis,both klitschko,frazier,joe louis, jack jonhson,dempsey(liston could not ko machen lol dempsey would kill him),riddick bowe,ken norton, gerry cooney... all them would win sonny liston, but foreman,joe louis,frazier and tyson by brutal ko.
yeah like i said you're fucking stupid. Foreman didn't fight liston because he was scared. Liston would smack Foreman around all the time?
Yea i'm not fat you stupid ass... you dont even know me though actually i bet your fast cause your just a fucking fat ass.
Liston would beat most of the guys you just listed actually. of curse you wouldn't admit it because your a biased sorry fuck. oh well :[ poor consta his hero got murdered by young ali and briggs
@TommyGun7111 lol now foreman avoided liston? really? lol i love to humble you, foreman started his professional career in 1969 liston was died in 1970 lol,1 year earlier leotis martin his former sparring partner destroyed liston and liston fought 10 rounds against wepner, foreman killed wepner in 3 lol, really you think liston might even survive against foreman? lol
Ali, Holmes, Louis, Frazier, Johnson, Bowe, Norton, Tyson, and Holyfield would all destroy Foreman. see? I didn't even list every great because foreman would beat a lot of them.
your juts biased as shit because liston would've killed foreman.. awww.. poor Consta. don't forget to whack off to your foreman poster you little fucking creep... faggot.
sonny liston is nobody, foreman would murder liston in 3 rounds, maybe in 2, it woud not be even close, joe frazier would destroy liston fighting inside and joe was more compact and stronger, joe would beat liston by late tko, larry holmes would destroy liston too, holyfield would play with liston,bowe was 2 times bigger ,stronger and harder puncher than liston,jonhson was better than liston in everything,joe louis too.
@TommyGun7111 jimmy young would outbox liston and he would beat liston easy!!!, leotis martin a 198 pounds bum knocked liston out, marti marshall (bum)189 pounds won liston.
1 elder foreman was stolen against briggs, old foreman faced almost every top 5 hw in the 80s holyfield,tommy morrison,michael moorer, mike tyson avoided him. do not take it like offence but old foreman would ko prime liston,simply like that
@jimmynablee Liston was in his 40's when her fought Martin so that's not a fair comment. Ali was younger than Liston in his last fight and how fared much much worse. 15 years earlier he would have belted Holmes
@TommyGun7111 and yes!! prime 72-73 foreman would ko jonhson,louis,frazier,norton,bowe and maybe holmes, but liston is not foreman lol, foreman was much stronger, much harder puncher with both hands,taller, he ha d much better chin, much more heart( liston did not want to continue against ali lol), foreman was down against lyle(6´3 220 pounds, bigger and stronger than liston who was 210 and 6,0) and he won the fight by ko.
@TommyGun7111 and still the foreman who faced lyle and young was not even the half as good foreman was in 1972 and 73, after he lost ali he was not the same man. and still he never lost by ko again.
sorry kid your hero is garbage and you are exposed hahah.
Up until recently, my pick for the best heavyweight would have been Gene Tunney. He would have beaten Ali the way Jimmy Young did (but he got robbed), except that he was more disciplined and had a tremendous punch as well. I now believe today's Eastern European heavyweights are the best ever because of their overwhelming size, skills and superior training methods. We Americans do not like to admit this and we say that (because there are no Americans in the top 10) the division today is sub-par.
emoran001 1 month ago
cassius clay was in his twenties when he fought a prime frazier,,,prior to the fight cassius said he would crawl on his hands and knees and kiss fraziers feet if he lost,,,,said to say clay would have to go to morturary now,,,frazier is still waiting,,,,,clay beat two worthy challengers preparing for frazier fight,,,he was young and ready by his own admission,,look at the fight,,,clay got his assed whipped fair and square,,get your head out of clays ass
nastylefthook1 1 month ago
oh my God, so rare
kareemabdullah 2 months ago
mike tyson was more of a threat than joe frazier ever was,,rip joe,,,but a young tyson destroys cassius clay,,,,if frazier whipped clays ass easily,,im sure a prime tyson would
nastylefthook1 2 months ago
@nastylefthook1 lol. When did Frazier EVER beat Ali easily? Frazier went to the hospital for a month after beating Ali in '71. And let us not forget that was not a prime Ali Frazier fought either, while Frazier was at his very best.
bandit7498 1 month ago 3
@bandit7498 @nastylefthook1 not only that, my father told me that when he was/still cassius clay, was way better,
Muhammad Ali is the Man/the personality/legend, Cassius Clay was the fighter :)
mano2116 1 month ago
@mano2116 Ali was the best heavyweight to ever lace the gloves up imo.
bandit7498 1 month ago
@bandit7498 why was frazier in his prime and muhammad not 1944 / 1942 ? ? ? !? idiot
MrJoelouisbarrow 1 month ago
@MrJoelouisbarrow It's a sad day when a man can't post an opinion like I did without having some dumb motherfucker getting on here and calling him names. But I'll explain to your dumb ass. Ali was forced out of boxing as he was approacing his prime. Most experts will tell you we probably never saw the best of Ali. He was out of boxing for almost 4 years, came back and fought Quarry and Bonavena, but was never the same fleet footed, lightning reflex guy he was in the 60s. moron.
bandit7498 1 month ago
@bandit7498 I agree that there should be respect here. I have to disagree, respectively, with you. Consider some of Ali's fights during the 60s. He had an unpopular decsion over Doug Jones, was knocked down and almost out by Henry Cooper, the Liston fights were fixed, He fought some very poor quality opponents like Brian London and a middle-aged Clevland Williams who had a bullet in his stomach. Ali was good but not the greatest.
emoran001 1 month ago
@emoran001 I personally will never accept that the Liston fights were fixed. Liston took a helluva ass whoopin' in the 1st fight. It's not typical for an opponent who's throwing a fight to take that much punishment. I personally believe Liston quit in the 2nd fight to avoid another humiliating defeat, but that's my opinion. I definitely think he could have continued. And while Ali might have had a few tough fights against lesser opponents I judge a man by his greatest performances.
bandit7498 1 month ago
@emoran001 I would also suggest that Ali's greatest tests in the ring came when he was past his prime, from '71 on. That's when we found out how well he could take a shot, how much determination and courage the man had. We were robbed of the opportunity to see the best of what he had to offer in my opinion. I think it would have been awesome to have seen him tested like in the 70s while he was at the height of his powers. Who would be your pick as best heavyweight and why?
bandit7498 1 month ago
@MrJoelouisbarrow And I wasn't knocking what Frazier did in '71. But facts are facts. Looking back at that fight it's easy as pie to see Ali was a lot slower than he was before his exile from the ring. And a couple years later when he easily won the rematch, it was obvious how much ring rust he had shaken off, and as a result the second fight was a much easier fight for Ali. You're obviously an idiot to get on here for no reason and insult people just because you disagree bitch
bandit7498 1 month ago
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combatesdeboxeo 3 weeks ago
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@MrJoelouisbarrow ALI WAS RETIRED 3 YEARS AND FRAZIER NOT, SIMPLE, A PRIME ALI 64-67 WOULD BEAT SMOKIN JOE BY DECISION
combatesdeboxeo 3 weeks ago
@bandit7498-- ANOTHER Ali lover.
Do they clone them?
jwillardb 1 month ago
@jwillardb It's disturbing to me that a man can't have an opinion without having some asshole insult him for it. Get a life chump.
bandit7498 1 month ago
@bandit7498--- a member of the Religion of Ali.
jwillardb 1 month ago
@jwillardb And you're an obvious member of some cock sucker club. Get off my nuts bitch
bandit7498 1 month ago
@bandit7498 sucks Ali's cock.
He is the ultimate Ali shill.
Ali--the media created fraud faggots like bandit worship.
jwillardb 4 weeks ago
@jwillardb you need a life queer. go suck your mother's dick
bandit7498 4 weeks ago
Fagboy @bandit7498 is clueless on boxing.
jwillardb 4 weeks ago
@jwillardb you do love you some dick don"t you
bandit7498 4 weeks ago
Fagboy @bandit7498 stinks up youtube.
jwillardb 3 weeks ago
@bandit7498 That's because Frazier took his rest after the fight, Ali took his DURING it.
twiskins 3 weeks ago
@nastylefthook1
get a clue.
a young Tyson couldn't even easily take out 1980's bums like James "Quick" Tillis and Tony Tucker who were simply Ali wannabes.
Ali would make Tyson look stupid.
Onieracraft 1 month ago
After Joe Louis, Sonny Liston is the second greatest boxer-puncher in heavyweight history. This probably took place between 1960-62 based on how Terrell's body doesn't seem to be quite filled out. Liston's boxing skills are very underrated, and as you could see he was just jogging in this sparring session.
1goat 2 months ago
to my knowlage tyson never fought oliver mccall, george foreman, michael moorer, shannon briggs, hasim rahman, john ruiz, tommy morison, david tua, chris bryd or riddick bowe and they were all world champions while tyson was around. then when he fought anyone of any caliber he lost i mean douglas only beat one world champ and that was tyson james quick tilis lasted 2 fights with a 'prime' tyson both of them were no where near ali's ability not to mention larry holmes out pointed tyson for 3round
MrLukedanger 3 months ago
@MrLukedanger prime tyson would have devastated every fighter youve mentioned,no exceptions.im stunned you would even mention mike moorer,and a slow motion foreman then would be a custom made slaughter.a one trick pony like morrison??odds would be 8 to 1 in vegas....silly stuff man. prime tyson was a wreckin ball,you must have a short memory.
dempsey981 3 months ago
@dempsey981 I agree with everything that you posted with the exception of Foreman. Imagine the physical Foreman of 1973 with maturity that he had in 1993? He wasn't the most skillful or speedy heavy but the guy was smart and had underrated timing.
jperez9805 3 months ago
@jperez9805 sure,yer right.look how old george stood up to a very ready evander holyfield.that says alot.if you are old[and he was]you dont get far with an evander if you are not smart.george got ring wise,he had to.
dempsey981 3 months ago
@jperez9805 oh i do wanna mention that while you are very correct about george,i stand by my prediction that mike would have,imo,prevailed against george in the 90's.however i recognize that at that level,ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN,HEY ITS PRO HIGH LEVEL BOXING.
dempsey981 3 months ago
@dempsey981
lol@ Tyson beating prime George.
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@Onieracraft lol@your reading comprehension as well,did i suggest that somewhere?even if i did,that outcome is well within the reach of possible.foreman was great but dodged by his own admission quarry,and was humiliated by jimmy young,therefore a prime mike defeat scenario is far from a farce.no one would be completely safe against a prime mike.any guy with strong defence,FAST,hard in shape,that can hit with both hands like a railgun is no farce,and is always dangerous.hell thats obvious.
dempsey981 1 month ago
@dempsey981 What determines what is possible is not how supposedly "wonderful" a fighter is from some generic standpoint, but how their styles match up against other fighters. Tyson would not be a problem for anyone, he would be a problem for anyone who doesn't match well with his style.
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@Onieracraft you really dont even know what your talking about sir.certain skill sets run across all possible match styles,i.e a Robinson,a Louis,thats in fact why some guys go mostly or even completely undefeated.thats what versatile means..i dont know exactly,concisely what you're tryin to even say.are you tryin to say mike was mediocre?in another post u mumbled on how mike couldnt take out tucker and tillis?yer a fuckin idiot,you dont know what talent even is, yer likely a troll,piss off.
dempsey981 1 month ago
@dempsey981 I state the classic proposition recited for ages that "Styles make fights" and you say I don't know what I'm talking about because of it?
No, as is always the case, it is the Tyson sycophant that doesn't know what he is talking about.
a) There was only one undefeated fighter in history and he was hardly versatile
b) Truly versatile fighters are very rare, Robinson is one example.
c) Tyson was the poster by for a non-versatile fighter.
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@dempsey981
* Tyson was the poster boy for a non-versatile fighter
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@dempsey981
You want to base Tyson's versatility on things he never actually even did? Typical of a Tyson fanatic ("Tyson woulda coulda" ). Tyson never fought a single fight not coming forward, never fought a single fight not operating in the peekaboo style style of Cus Damato.
But I guess now you want to make up imaginary scenarios? Leap off Tyson's nut sack and learn something about Boxing.
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@Onieracraft you're vulgar,thats not required here.as far as having a set style,i.e.moving forward/peeka boo,thats not a weakness.marciano moved forard,dempsey moved forward,i could go on and on naming forward movers.the peeka boo is a hand style like moores cross arm etc,not a weakness.i wont further defend mike,history does that for him.hes hugely popular grossed hundreds of millions and thrilled the masses,a legend.extremely explosive ,dangerous guy,enormously skilled in his prime.
dempsey981 1 month ago
Looking at Tyson's career, he never really passed any big tests. He fought mediocre guys on his way up and couldn't knock out Bonecrusher Smith or Tony Tucker. Mike Spinks was a good light-heavy and was scared. He finally fights Douglas who comes in with a plan, stands up to Tyson and that's it. Douglas used the same tactics that Ali would've used---left jabs, right leads, and tie him up. Tyson folded when guys stood up to him. If anything, Tyson would've been in awe of Ali. No contest.
dspreis 3 months ago
is this an amateur bout? witch year? :)
Saeufercrew 6 months ago
@Saeufercrew haha "which" year...sorry :D
Saeufercrew 6 months ago
@Saeufercrew it is not amateur, it is like sparring
combatesdeboxeo 3 months ago
if it wasn't for ali's showmanship you probably woudn't be debating him . bert sugar ranked ali 5th best ever.
scott053 7 months ago
@scott053 i didnt know that,but it sounds about right roughly.he got hit way too much,thats obvious.i get weary of this greatest of all time slogan,as Sugar suggested,its probably not the case.
dempsey981 1 month ago
Why are they wearing head gear?
chanctonbury63 7 months ago
Ignorance. Complete ignorance in these postings...
MrSladeTheBlade 8 months ago
Actually, Fraiser beat Ali twice but was robbed in the second fight. No way Ali knocked Liston out with that one-punch phantom punch! I asked Wepner, who fought Liston and Foreman, who would win and he said Liston.
emoran001 9 months ago
@emoran001
Frazier did not beat Ali the 2nd time around. Ali out landed him about five to one.
mdmcdd1117 8 months ago
@mdmcdd1117 I guess sometimes people see what they want to see. Jimmy Young gave Ali a boxing lesson & was robbed. An amature with only 8 fights, Spinks, beat Ali, and almost did it in the rematch. Cooper had him down and almost out, but Dundee got Ali extra time to recover. Jones beat Ali and was robbed. Some of the guys Ali beat were pathetic:London, Foley, old Williams with a bullet in him, Evangelista. Ali struggled with Evangelista! Klitzchco would have beaten Ali easily. Ali is a myth!
emoran001 8 months ago
@emoran001 If you honestly believe that then you don't know anything about boxing.
MrBumboclart 7 months ago
@MrBumboclart Buddy, consider the word "metacognition." It means thinking about one's thinking. The statements I made are correct. You think the way you do because you have been programmed to think that way (and not just about boxing). Dare to think independently and reconsider the Ali myth. The powres that be have reasons for creating and promoting the Ali cult. Ditto John Lennon, FDR, etc.
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001 Stop talking shit. How does Doug Jones compare to Klitschko or Henry Cooper? Not at all. Look how Ali performed against flat footed, upright jabbers...Cleveland Williams (who probably had the same chin but hit harder than Wlad) and Chuck Wepner - Ali dominated. No way would Klitschko win and that's based purely on style and record, not on his personality or the hype around him. Ali is no David Haye.
MrBumboclart 7 months ago
@MrBumboclart Don't use profanity while discussing opinions. You make yourself look ignorant and immature. It's absolutely incredible that you would even compare Klitscho to Williams and Wepner. Both Klitschkos are light years ahead of those fighters. Williams was good before he fought Ali but he was only a shell of his former self when he fought the Ali because of the shooting.. The younger Klitschko does have some glass in his jaw, but no one can reach it now. Ali would be easy for both.
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001 There is only so far you can argue with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Maybe in a year I'll reply to this comment and see if you matured at all. Good day and good luck in coming to your senses.
MrBumboclart 7 months ago
@emoran001
David Haye is able to time Wladi with an overhand right @ 78" reach and 210lbs (in Wladis PRIME)
And you say Ali could not time the guy with a 80" reach and 212,5lbs and straight punches????????
Ali is even 12 years younger than Klitschklo in this fight. And Ali is a dynamic fighter who is able to adapted styles :)
BabyTua 7 months ago
@BabyTua You made good points. I'm not sure, though, how adaptable he was. He had difficulty with skillfiull boxers like Young and Doug Jones. He was vulnerable to left hooks. Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper and Fraiser knocked him down with left hooks. Also, when he didn't have a psychological advantage he struggled with the less-than-average fighters such as Evangilista and lost to the undisciplened and amauterish Spinks. He didn't have the punch necessary to beat the Klitschkos.
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001
I talk about Wladimir, not the the Klitschkos :)
And I want to point out, that Wladimir might have a good left hook. But he never use it. Maybe against some minor opponents, but not against contenders. He beat Chambers in the last 15 seconds with a hook.... maybe out of desperation, I never now. His hook is a sham left hook. it's not intented to be one bit effectiv, it's just to bring his opponent in position for a right hand. It's very hard to descripe how it look, but he does it.
BabyTua 7 months ago
@BabyTua Vitali is a better fighter than Wladimir because he has a much better chin. I was not suggesting that either Klitschko would beat Ali with a left hook, although that could happen. I think that either Klitschko would easily beat Ali by decision. Wladimir does have some glass in his jaw, but no one can reach it now that he's progressed as a boxer. His olde brother would be the exceptioon, but that fight will never happen.
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001
even minor fighters than Ali, Frazier, Foreman would beat Waldimir. I noticed that faster,smaller guys look much better against Wlad than the usuall Bums. And even an old guy like Shanon Brinks can sustain ;)
BabyTua 7 months ago
@BabyTua Again, Vitali is th better of the two brothers because he has it all, including a solid chin. Fraiser would have been target practice like he was against Foreman. And, let's keep in mind some things about Foreman. A powder puncher, Jimmy Young, knocked him down and beat him. Lyle had him down twice. Foreman is another over rated fighter like Ali. Quarry got the better of him in a sparring session and he ducked Quarry after that. The Klitschkos have taken boxing to a higher level.
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001
vitali ain't got no chin power. he fights with his mouth open and his arms wraped around hir arse. hw boxing is at his lowest level ever. Klitschkos are very easy to cut and tko, too.
BabyTua 7 months ago
@emoran001
You are very much out of your mind.
mdmcdd1117 7 months ago
@BabyTua Mike Tyson.
thamostgangsta12 7 months ago
@thamostgangsta12
Mike Tyson what?
BabyTua 7 months ago
@emoran001
Only three men put Ali down in almost twenty years. At least two men that Ali knocked out,, Foreman and Liston, would have knocked both Klitschkos out.
mdmcdd1117 7 months ago
@mdmcdd1117 Ali did not knock out Liston. Those fights were fixed. As for Foreman, George fought a stupid fight and collapsed from exhaustion.
emoran001 7 months ago
@mdmcdd1117 Ali did not knock out Liston. Those fights were fixed. Foreman fought a stupid fight and collapsed from exhaustion. Regarding your silly comment that I am out of my mind, that goes to show the extent of the brainwashing about the Ali myth. You cant even comprehend the possibility that the man who was decked by Banks, Cooper and Fraiser, lost to the amaturish Spinks, was outboxed by Young, defeated by Norton, givien an unfair win over Jones and Fraiser in the 2nd fight, wasnt great.
emoran001 7 months ago
Fixed is a roomer that was never proven.... Ali was took quick for Liston in their 1st fight. and the only reason Liston quit on his chair was as boxing historians say " a shoulder injury" and the fact that Liston pretty much gave up and didn't want Ali to look so great in his 8th round prediction. Their 2nd fight where Liston went down from Ali's anchor punch I agree would not have been enough to "knock out" Liston. He most probably got threatened by the black muslims and took a dive.
DonShaun237 7 months ago
Ali was too much of a proud man to authorize any of this..... Ali wanting a fixed match on his record? i don't think so, was not his fault. Foreman did fight a stupid fight.... but none the less Ali took Foreman's greatest hits and withstood them...... he stood toe to toe with foreman didn't dance. Now Frazier l was a great fight and beat Ali fairly although i think Ali was to quick to come off a 3 and a half year lay off and only have 2 tune up fights. Ali v Frazier ll won fairly.
DonShaun237 7 months ago
@DonShaun237 I never said that Ali had anything to do with some of his doubtful wins, such as the obvious dive that Liston took in the second fight.
emoran001 7 months ago
ali v norton l broken jaw 2nd or 3rd round..... lost because of this. Cant believe you even brought spinks up lol Ali was over the hill and was already experiencing Parkinson's disease, you might as well chuck in holmes and ali then? It's no myth..... he truly is the greatest heavyweight boxer that ever lived..... yes even better than joe louis who once fought max shemeling and had trouble with him. Schmeling weighed only 180 pounds for the fight
DonShaun237 7 months ago
@DonShaun237 Let's consider some of Ali's fights before he was past his prime. Four in a row: vs. Doug Jones: questionable decision, Henry Cooper: almost ko'd & saved by Dundee's stalling tactic, Liston 1: possibly fixed, Liston 2: obvious dive. Regarding Norton, fights 2 & 3 were close enough to have been draws and mnay think Norton was robbed in those fights. Schemelling small? So was the powder puncher Jimmy Young who gave Ali a boxing lesson & got robbed. Ali struggled wi Evangilista!
emoran001 7 months ago
@emoran001 If he would've won those fights easily, You would've called them 'Bums'. Jones fight, was close but he won. Much was made of the 'stall' tactic,but it was more legend than truth,Even Cooper didn't complain. Watch the 1st Liston fight again,& look for the body shots he threw when Clay(Ali) was temporarily blinded. Norton (3rd fight) should've finished up stronger,he might have won. Young used duck & move tactics & never controlled the fight. Evangelista,Struggled,Are you serious?
Nickcat5 6 months ago
@Nickcat5 British heavyweight Henry Cooper, best known for knocking down a young Muhammad Ali in their 1963 bout, has passed away at the age of 76. Ali recovered from that fourth round knock down but may have been aided by the stalling tactics of trainer Angelo Dundee, who bought Ali additional time to recover between rounds by calling the referee's attention to a tear in Ali's gloves. By the time Ali's glove had been replaced, he had fully recuperated and proceeded to stop Cooper on cuts.
emoran001 6 months ago
@emoran001 when ali finally faced a guy with perpetul motion and speed,he had all kinds of problems.It wasnt the punchers that bothered ali,it was the awkward guys who were also fast.Thats why I always maintin that classic 88 tyson beats ali because that style is no good for ali but for a young foreman it is.
fadethetrade 4 months ago
@fadethetrade I agree that boxing is a lot about styles, and yes, Tyson's style would have been a big problem for Ali and I think Tyson would have knocked him out. Ali had trouble with other types of fighters, too. Jimmy Young was too good of a boxer for him, although he got robbed. Perpetual motion fighters are a variation of pressure fighters. Not all pressure fighters are perpetual motion. Ali had problems with Bonavena and did not look good against Chuvalo. Yes, Tyson by KO over Ali.
emoran001 4 months ago
@emoran001 I doubt it. I'd say Ali's height and reach give him a hughe advantage. He would jab Tyson senseless. Ali was never knocked out. He was knocked down, but got up fairly fast. His chin was amazing. Tyson did not have that kind of chin. Foreman was a harder hitter. Tyson is a better boxer, but he did not do well against those who did not fear him. Tyson might have won against a 76 Ali. I think a 74 Ali would probably go the distance with him. A 67 Ali would annihilate him.
michaelyouth 3 months ago
@fadethetrade kidding ? ali had a too badass chin he would win. tell me who did tyson ever fought who could match with ali ?
MrJoelouisbarrow 3 months ago
@MrBumboclart in a word yer wrong!!dont build a case against klitch by pointin out a ham and egg fighter like wepner,its ridiculous.klitch plenty trouble for ali,believe me,and im NOT a klitch fan at all.
dempsey981 1 month ago
@dempsey981 With a name like 'dempsey981' you would think ya know boxing. But if you think Klitschko would give Ali trouble your either a poser or a crack smoker. The same Klitschkos who went the distance with Shannon Briggs and David Haye? Get outta here. Ali would dance around those two, slow, big fools all night. They haven't beaten a legit CLASS-A fighter EVER, THATS A FACT! Lewis? Byrd? Oh no wait...I SAID BEAT!
MrBumboclart 1 month ago
@MrBumboclart MATE ACTUALLY I THINK THAT I KNOW "A BIT " ABOUT BOXING AND I THINK THAT VITALI KLITSCKO AND WLADIMIR WOULD GIVE ALI PROBLEMS, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, BUT STILL THE GOAT WINS
combatesdeboxeo 3 weeks ago
@dempsey981 Corrie Sanders knocked Wlad out cold what would Ali do to him? And an old, fat Lennox Lewis whupped Vitali so bad the doctors had to stop it....THESE are the two guys youre saying would give Ali trouble? Come on man, BE REAL
MrBumboclart 1 month ago
@MrBumboclart the version of lewis who fought vitali was not as fast as he used to be but he was a monster of 257 pounds and still he had problems to support vitali in the clinch, the truth is the the size is a big factor , and ali was a stylist and he was small compared with the klitschos and he would have serious problems outboxing them, they are 6´7-6´8 athletic monsters with some skill, not a skinny 6´5 like terrel.
combatesdeboxeo 3 weeks ago
@MrBumboclart ali would have had trouble with klitchko,no doubt. he would need to get inside,and he was not a great inside fighter,that simple.he had enormous problems with much less skilled fighters,much smaller.he was great but....
dempsey981 1 month ago
@dempsey981
Ali would have to get inside? what the heck are you talking about?
Onieracraft 1 month ago
@emoran001 I suppose Adolf Hitler is too! Since you now everything I should just leave it anyway...
thamostgangsta12 6 months ago
@thamostgangsta12 That was a ridiculous response.
emoran001 6 months ago
@emoran001 You said Ali is a myth so it must mean that Hitler is a myth to you too, with all the other things like slavery, racism, war, and so everything else. Im guessing my relatives are myths too and so is my comment. Just because i said they were myths doesn't make it true.
thamostgangsta12 6 months ago
@emoran001 i agree there was mythology tied to Ali indeed.the greatest no way,he was brave and strong tho as well.great not greatest.
dempsey981 1 month ago
@emoran001 hits the nail on the head.
jwillardb 1 month ago
Liston was unlucky him and Foreman would be a bloodbath
MERITMAN2008 10 months ago
This is an exhibition. Liston and Terrell never fought in an actual bout.
DuaneMThomas 1 year ago
Is this in the amateurs?
Donal111 1 year ago
Looks like an exhibition.
madmax8903 1 year ago
This was a great era for boxing fans. Theres not one good american heavyweight today. Great video!
1899sharkey 1 year ago
listons power gives him a chance against any heavyweight a fight between liston and foreman what a matchup explosive a real fifty-fifty brawl
atkinjyio 1 year ago
@atkinjyio I'd pick Liston over Foreman.
emoran001 10 months ago
@emoran001 Let's see...Ali Beats Liston twice (spare me the "fix" crap). Frazier beats Ali once. Foreman destroys Frazier twice. How does Liston beat Foreman?
bumblebeemoi 9 months ago
@bumblebeemoi styles make fights.. norton was destroyed by foreman, but beat ali at least two times out of three.. Ali beat foreman. so what? it's just about the styles man.
carlitoboxing 9 months ago
@carlitoboxing -----u said it right. Styles.
loyaldude10 9 months ago
What year is this?
zulubro 1 year ago
Thanks for this sweetfights.
Interesting.
marcxopoco 1 year ago
@levizer
it's an exhibition. Liston wasn't going so hard and as you can see he staggered him with a left hook and popped his face with jabs: Sonny would rip ernie up in a real fight.
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 not little tommy, liston might not kill nobody, because he was 210 pounds and 6´0 in his prime, he faced pure garbage (179,180,195 pounds guys) and still his %ko is a joke, liston was strong in his era, geore foreman would murder liston. liston stoped wepner by cuts and forman killed wepner in 3 round slol, liston could not ko eddie machen and joe frazier killed machen.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee
you're fucking stupid Consta. Why don't you find a real hobby besides responding to me on youtube. I'm possitive that everyone here would agree with you.
not little tommy? lmfao. you're fucking stupid dude. Liston would kill Foreman. easy. it wouldnt even be a fight. you stupid piece of shit. get a life.
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
@jimmynablee little fat tommy, george foreman loved liston, he would not want fight against liston because foreman might kill his hero.
ali,holmes,holyfield,foreman,tyson, lewis,both klitschko,frazier,joe louis, jack jonhson,dempsey(liston could not ko machen lol dempsey would kill him),riddick bowe,ken norton, gerry cooney... all them would win sonny liston, but foreman,joe louis,frazier and tyson by brutal ko.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee
yeah like i said you're fucking stupid. Foreman didn't fight liston because he was scared. Liston would smack Foreman around all the time?
Yea i'm not fat you stupid ass... you dont even know me though actually i bet your fast cause your just a fucking fat ass.
Liston would beat most of the guys you just listed actually. of curse you wouldn't admit it because your a biased sorry fuck. oh well :[ poor consta his hero got murdered by young ali and briggs
Jimmy Young UD George Foreman
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 lol now foreman avoided liston? really? lol i love to humble you, foreman started his professional career in 1969 liston was died in 1970 lol,1 year earlier leotis martin his former sparring partner destroyed liston and liston fought 10 rounds against wepner, foreman killed wepner in 3 lol, really you think liston might even survive against foreman? lol
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 really i do not hate liston, i say the truth, even today liston would not beat even david haye lol.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee
yeah okay consta. we're done here. have fun whacking off to foreman's grill you faggot.
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 ohhh great response lol, kid you are exposed, you know no shit on boxing
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee
Lets see,
Ali, Holmes, Louis, Frazier, Johnson, Bowe, Norton, Tyson, and Holyfield would all destroy Foreman. see? I didn't even list every great because foreman would beat a lot of them.
your juts biased as shit because liston would've killed foreman.. awww.. poor Consta. don't forget to whack off to your foreman poster you little fucking creep... faggot.
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111
sonny liston is nobody, foreman would murder liston in 3 rounds, maybe in 2, it woud not be even close, joe frazier would destroy liston fighting inside and joe was more compact and stronger, joe would beat liston by late tko, larry holmes would destroy liston too, holyfield would play with liston,bowe was 2 times bigger ,stronger and harder puncher than liston,jonhson was better than liston in everything,joe louis too.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 jimmy young would outbox liston and he would beat liston easy!!!, leotis martin a 198 pounds bum knocked liston out, marti marshall (bum)189 pounds won liston.
1 elder foreman was stolen against briggs, old foreman faced almost every top 5 hw in the 80s holyfield,tommy morrison,michael moorer, mike tyson avoided him. do not take it like offence but old foreman would ko prime liston,simply like that
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee Liston was in his 40's when her fought Martin so that's not a fair comment. Ali was younger than Liston in his last fight and how fared much much worse. 15 years earlier he would have belted Holmes
genericgeorge 9 months ago
@TommyGun7111 and yes!! prime 72-73 foreman would ko jonhson,louis,frazier,norton,bowe and maybe holmes, but liston is not foreman lol, foreman was much stronger, much harder puncher with both hands,taller, he ha d much better chin, much more heart( liston did not want to continue against ali lol), foreman was down against lyle(6´3 220 pounds, bigger and stronger than liston who was 210 and 6,0) and he won the fight by ko.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee no way he ko's louis,or bowe get real
finetubs 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 and still the foreman who faced lyle and young was not even the half as good foreman was in 1972 and 73, after he lost ali he was not the same man. and still he never lost by ko again.
sorry kid your hero is garbage and you are exposed hahah.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@TommyGun7111 foreman when he was 64 years old,he wanted to come back to knock vitali out, but his wife did not want lol
jimmynablee 1 year ago
@jimmynablee he only 60 now or 61
lee1990lee 1 year ago
must be sparring
daufas 1 year ago
thanks a bunch
i imagine sonny woudla ripped him in an actual fight :P
TommyGun7111 2 years ago
When and where was this? Terrell looks very young. Thanks for posting.
bbxx44 2 years ago
great posting
cuntyballs07 2 years ago