French Universal Healthcare Going Bankrupt

[mrlopez2681]

better to go bankrupt over keeping people healthy than to go bankrupt over war and genocide.

[dale3858]

What's wrong with equal and free healthcare for everybody? If Americans were educated, we would've had it long ago.

Japans free healthcare, it's the best, the cheapest, they are the healthiest, and live longer than in any other country, and they see their doctors 12 times more.

We've developed weapons large enough to obliterate the world, but we can't figure out how to provide healthcare for all in America.

There are so many rich + greedy people in this country that it makes me wanna puke.

[rightandwrongradio]

@dale3858 Thanks for commenting. I'm always amazed how the words "greedy" and "rich" are almost always tied together. Correct me if I am wrong but most of the rich are also most of the most generous (at least conservatives are) whereas liberals who are rich give very little. Check out Obama's and Biden's tax returns as an example compared to say Bush and Cheney?

[dale3858]

@rightandwrongradio Sorry, but that has not been my experience. Conservatives want to help only the people they want to help, they don't look at it as if we are all in this together.

[rightandwrongradio]

@dale3858 Your references to Japan's system is purely speculative or opinionated. Where is your proof? I do agree though we are much better at killing then we are at healing.

[dale3858]

@rightandwrongradio Google Japan healthcare. Youtube Japan healthcare. I'm not sure how you prove it other than listen to the people of Japan, which I did. And yes, sadly we are the most efficient killers in the world.

[dale3858]

@rightandwrongradio The stats are at google, google Japans healthcare, it's all there.

[iwannaseeu2be]

@dale3858 What is wrong with equal and free healthcare for everyone?

Answer: First of all it isnt free, someone is paying for it and guess who that is? YOU the taxpayer and rest assured it is looted by the gov before you see 1 penny of it, so first off it isnt free but i guess if youre not paying for it you dont care... Secondly, its called marxism socialism communism, youre taking from some and giving it to others forcefully. im canadian and by no means rich, i hate our socialist system here.

[dale3858]

@iwannaseeu2be You are the first Canadian that I have ever heard say that and I've spoken with many personally...

I realize that it's not free, it's paid for with taxes, you know I'm not stupid, national healthcare paid by taxes is the fairest way, if everyone has the same plan then that fact alone insures a quality healthcare system, this is a democracy and if we demand good healthcare then we will get it...

[bassawash1]

@dale3858 If you demand a certain level of quality, then you will have to pay for it. The problem is, costs go up when the government finances the service. See the government always inflates the money supply, meaning it takes more monetary value to purchase the same quality of service as before the inflation occurs. This means that you will have to pay infinitley more for the same quality of service. At least, this is true for the U.S, based on the policies we will need to pay for such a system.

[iwannaseeu2be]

@dale3858 Hi its me again buddy. Ok first of all the usa is NOT a democracy, rather it is a constitutional republic and this is the form of government guaranteed by your constitution wich i now realize you have never read. You have been blessed with such a great government and yet you wish to throw it away... You see the problem with a democracy is that as you said people will just vote themselves all the benefits until the gov goes broke and a dictatorship always follows to clean the mess.

[dale3858]

@iwannaseeu2be Hey, I'm not your BUDDY, and you are so full of shit it isn't even funny. Americans are in trouble because capitalist healthcare doesn't work, while insurance companies continue to get richer, they deny people coverage and treatment and lots of people die. I find it strange that you are the only Canadian out of at least 100 that I've talked with over the last few years that doesn't like your Canadian healthcare system.

Denying people healthcare because of money is very wrong...

[iwannaseeu2be]

@dale3858 well if you want socialism you will get it, its right at the front door. You see i dont need a daddy to take care of me im a free man and i accept the responsibilities that come with it. If you want a daddy to take care of you thats ok but remember that all daddys , even the nicest ones, restrict your freedoms until the age of maturity but unfortunately in this case there will be no age of maturity. You know what NAZI stands for, it stands for national socialist workers party.Enjoy

[iwannaseeu2be]

@dale3858 and btw you said i was full of shiit but you never refuted any of my arguments such as the fact that America is not a democracy... You seem like youre really mad at insurance companies. Your last statement is "denying people healthcare because of money is very wrong..." Lets analyze this for a moment. Do you mean everyone is entitled to health care? , are you saying its a God given right ? Who should pay for this healthcare people cant afford? You? The rich?i already know your answer

[dale3858]

@iwannaseeu2be Yes, I feel everyone should be entitled to healthcare, obviously you have no idea what it's like to need medical help for a chronic condition, I think you are 33 yrs old, you wait, you'll need your Canadian healthcare soon enough, and you won't be bitching when they save your life.Yes, the rich need to pay more, you can't bleed the middle class forever, and the poor have nothing to give. Hey, I'm done arguing with you, we're not getting anywhere because we hate each other already.

[bassawash1]

@dale3858 America doesn't have capitalist healthcare, idiot. The government finances medical programs, whose inputs and outputs hinge upon monetary policy. If the government inflates the money supply, then taxpayers have to pay more money for the same service quality. Since taxpayers aren't keen to such an imbalance, the government seeks out cheaper forms of service. Thus quality goes down as costs increase infinitely. For example, France is almost bankrupt because of financing public healthcare

[dale3858]

@bassawash1 WTF do you know about anything, you're just a punk kid, and an IDIOT!!! America's medical system is for PROFIT, that means it's a capitalist system, hospitals are in the business to make a lot of money, and most of them do.

[bassawash1]

@dale3858 You are just misinformed. You see corporatism as free market capitalism, which is not the case. If you studied the Austrian School of Economics, you would understand that any government involvement in the private sector negates the postive effects presented by liberty of choice and behavior in economics. I am not just some punk that knows nothing. I am university-educated in political science, economics, and constitutional law. Do not persue ad hominen against the likes of me.

[dale3858]

@bassawash1 So you're university-educated in political science, economics, and constitutional law, yeah, so what! You're 19 yrs old, I know guys that are 3 times your age with PHDs that don't know how to open the hood of their car.

[bassawash1]

@dale3858 You're right. I am young, and I'm not experienced with car hoods. But I am old enough to recognize the mistakes of the generation before me. My knowledge doesn't come from my personal experience; this is the point of education. But people have been arguing about this stuff for many, many years. Healthcare is only expensive because the dollar is weak. Now, the insurance companies are to blame for a lot, but government control will only completely turn medicine over to the robber barons.

[dale3858]

@bassawash1 Yes you are young, and you're wrong, the insurance companies are the robber barons, the government is us, you and me, "the people". Americans seem to forget that...

Mr. right and wrong up there happens to be wrong too, he wants to put us back in the stone age rather than even try to move toward a more civilized country that helps it's people rather than condemning them to a lifetime of poverty if they happen to get sick, and let me tell you and everyone else here, YOU WILL GET SICK.

[iwannaseeu2be]

@dale3858 i continue, what about individual rights, "creator endowed rights" , should the majority be able to strip you of these(guaranteed by your constitution) if they so please, you are entering the realm of communism where the good of the society supperseed the individual rights. What is of real importance is not that everyone have the same "benefits". What is important is that everyone has the equal OPPORTUNITY. If you disagree with this im sorry to tell you but youre not American.

[ron7club]

who's paying this asshole!

[alpacks]

that mister says to you step, it's that our coverage health in France, has a credit of 30 billions euros of unpayed by the government : contribution of civil servant ...

every year the French government skips deliberately to pay the social security contributions of his civil servants for re- allocate French in other expenses the budget of state ... and I no speak to you of presents and exonerations whom the governments of rights successively gave to firms

[alpacks]

@alpacks

yes French health care is in big deficit, but there are reasons, and the reasons are not solidarity between citizens: this reasons are dishonest acts of french state whom pays not this that it must pay for his own civil servants! and other exonerations

[pissoffcake]

so we run a deficit on healthcare, so what? is it not acceptable? the US are running deficit for much worse things don't you think? don't get me wrong we also do have those "bad" deficits, but in a far less alarming ratio.

we spend around €330B for a 15B€ deficit on healthcare a year, yet you guys are spending twice as much per capita and you can't achieve universal coverage?

the issue isn't even about having a socialized healthcare system, it's about being robbed willingly

[rightandwrongradio]

I Like your take on this actually.

[dale3858]

@rightandwrongradio Me too...

[GhostOfTheWriter]

oh yeah, I know this sounds kinda silly but one's health can have a strong bearing on they live or die. So, in your opinion, we do not have the right to life.

[rightandwrongradio]

That is a pretty asinine assumption my friend, but then again liberals are known for taking the context of a statement and turning it into some form of denconstructionist argument that validates what they hold to be truth. We will see how compassionate you are once you really need your government healthcare to do everything you need and find that it doesn't. BTW I never said I was a supporter of Medicare and Medicaid...another assumption by you. In case you haven't heard it is going bankrupt.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

blow me, friend : )

[rightandwrongradio]

So typical of a liberal. Can't argue the point then simply throw an insult.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

you aren't worth it. Blow me : )

[rightandwrongradio]

Ha but I got you to respond one more time. Let me know when you finally need your socialistic health care and how it is working for you Ha. Be blessed

[GhostOfTheWriter]

Corporate ass-lickers SUCK! Greed is NOT good!

[GhostOfTheWriter]

Right and wrong radio. Fucking stupid.

[Sadmonster]

Oh poor ghostofthewriter is one of those kids that cant figure out how to actualy debate, and simply run to a fagget comment hoping they can just blow it off. Show proof u liberals that this guy in the vid is wrong

[GhostOfTheWriter]

can't "show" you greedy retards anything.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

btw, I'm not a kid. I'm older than you. It's not that I can't debate. I don't see the point anymore. This country is fucked.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

Just curious, who taught you how to spell?

[Sadmonster]

I was brought up by wild cat's. U say we are greedy? Don't you see that healthcare cant be free and when u try to do it for free it ends up terrible. Canada for example, they dont have proper equipment to save lives because nobody pays for it,(well actualy they pay about the same as we do just in tax dollars) but u have to get on waiting list if u wanna see a doctor, somtimes up to a year, and if u want to see a doctor faster u have to pay big bucks. Show me proof that we're being greedy.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

c'mon! Give me a a reliable source about how Canada can't afford equipment to save people's lives. Just 1 RELIABLE source, not FOX NEWS (they're not reliable) I've been to Canada and I've been to England 3 times. I even had to see a doctor over there (in THEIR health care care system ON A MOMENTS NOTICE). And I'm not even a citizen!!! No problem whatsoever. They got me in within 24 hours, I got an examine and prescription, bam! Done! I paid the fee I'd pay HERE without insurance - 60.00

[GhostOfTheWriter]

Also, it's bullshit that "No one" is paying for the healthcare in these countries. EVERYONE pays for the healthcare in taxes. It isn't "free". Everyone contributes and it comes right out of their paycheck and THAT is how they pay for it. They all work together because it's an ETHICAL thing to do. We're supposed to help each other not be greedy bitches and say "WELL I"M NOT PAYIN' FOR YOU, DAB NARNIT! Health care isn't a right, what the hell were you thinking?" <-------------THAT is greedy

[GhostOfTheWriter]

And if these places really ARE running out of money, I'm sure they will figure out a way to fix it. And I BET they won't do it by charging their people $17,000.00 for a single medical procedure. My sister in law lives in Europe and she cringes at the thought of the healthcare system back home. It's like a bad memory.

[ron7club]

not true! you'll be seen right away. for any reason. omg do you believe every thing you hear on fox? just face it your system sucks. Why do americans only listen to other americans on this topic. do your own reserch ask someone who lives in these other countries. you'll be suprised to find out its better. along with unemployment rates education and unions.. look up unions in france and germany...

[GhostOfTheWriter]

agreed!

[GhostOfTheWriter]

No, we'll get there (don't worry). I'll stick to my socialistic empathy and my socialistic conscious and I'll be happy to contribute so that no one gets the door slammed in their face when they need help. I got great health insurance, I know I'll keep that great health insurance yet I am MORE than willing to pitch in because I'm not going to be a selfish, greedy bastard. Crazy how compassion works. P.S Medicare, SS and medicaid are "socialistic" aka single payer aka government-run.

[GhostOfTheWriter]

Oooooooh, another scare tactic! Blow me!

Article 25 (Universal Declaration of Human Rights) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

[rightandwrongradio]

I guess that means something if you hold the new world order to be something significant. Me, I'll stick with our Constitution which declares none of these things are "rights" (our rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with no government interference). What you call "rights" we would "opportunity". You can have your socialistic utopia (in your dreams).