Absolutely killin, the ultimate in cool. I cant think of any one else alive other than maybe George Benson that could match something like this.....................not speaking of competing or anything just level of playing.
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i know they be playing oleo but during the solos that's not your tipical rhythm changes it sounds to me like they be playing the solos modal, dontcha think?
It's not so much about chromatic scales, as much as it is about bebop scales- that is , inserting the appropriate chromatic tone into any diatonic seven note scale.
martino is the man...but do you hear the drummer and the organ? they are on a communication quest. They connect big time. Each guy is listening to the other.
@dashe60 that's because they are Joey Defrancesco and Byron Landham, they play togheter a LOT :) just heard them with another guitar player in Bern, Switzerland! Was amazing! Keep groovin'
@z0mgzt0m for guitarists: pat metheny, john mclaughlin, john scofield, george benson, allan holdsworth, frank gambale, al di meola, paco de lucia, shawn lane, morten faerestrand, etc....those are at varying levels of "jazz" and "jazz rock/fusion"
for other instrumentalists, check out the big names: charlie parker, john coltrane, sonny rollins, thelonius monk, dizzy gillespie, art tatum, etc. etc.
@z0mgzt0m no prob! i can't believe i forgot to mention bireli lagrene, though! ahh, i could mention 100 more musicians if i tried...i'm sure you have enough to keep you busy for now, though
@ragyps True... Robert Conti (?), Frank Gambale, Tony Pulizzi, Dave Martone and so on... by the way...even on this video hammond got his master : Joey DeFrancesco... one more time an italian... :))) Ciao ! ;)
I think that might be Billy Hart on drums - great performance. I saw this trio when they were recording live at Yoshi's in Oakland, Ca. Incredible show. It's so great to see Pat back on top of his game and burnin' like this!
@davetone That's definitely not Billy Hart on drums. It's Byron Landham, who's only about 30 years younger than Billy. Both are superlative jazz drummers who have played with some of the same people, but they are from different generations.
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Just saw pat tonight...june 1 2010. Looks better than ever, and his hair looks really bad ass...long and thick in the back, not like this...and he played in a white open neck raised color shirt and black vest. He was styling. Best show I've seen him do. Very bluesy, but big and loud, super punchy playing. Spectacular.
This is a very well contained rendition of Oleo - as it is the usual thing with the unique Martino. DeFrancesco is tighter than ever! Liked it very much. Who's the drummer?
I love Pat Martino, he is an a amazing single note soloist, but with all do respect , he needs to take a breather from time to time, sometimes less is more. I need a aspirin.
Agreed, it'd be nice to see him reorient some of his seemingly endless energy away from the notefest flurry and into dynamics, space, and feeeeeeling.
I think alreadywoundpie is right. In Jazz, you have a theoretical cornerstone you can build your free scales on. That is the beauty of freedom in Jazz -improvisation! It would be boring just playin´ c dorian or a c minor pentatonic with some blue notes. Larry Coryell or John Scofield would play an entire different solo and "all would fit" anyway. Individuality and freedom, that´s all, what is Jazz about. Your ear will tell you instantly, when you pick a "wrong" note...
All this talk about modes,hmmm don't you guys know that modes don't make jazz.like Bird said you can play any note on any given chord.listen and transcribe from the masters and if you're lucky you might play Jazz.
@otnas01 True! and Martino himself says that his playing is based on melodic motifs. He listened to and transcribed a lot of jazz - mainly Wes Montgomery. I bet that in the heat of the moment he doesnt think "Oh shoot, theres that Cm7! Dorian or Melodic minor?". In his instructional DVDs he says he never thought about modes.
Its all about learning the language and creating your own voice from there :)
Very true. I've never heard anything that Parker has said or written about jazz but I've transcribed his stuff and found myself thinking "oh my god he'll play any note he wants and make it sound groovin." Parker was insane, in many ways, playing major 7ths over dominant chords and such, but if you study him he's really THE model for jazz. Jazz is boundary-free music, all this theory is just mere suggestions. To make jazz requires no requirements but learning to play and playing your heart out
of course theory is useful but theory on its own never makes Jazz. How many people who are fluent at a language know all about the grammar involved? You adopt the words and sounds then make your own sentences. As for the 'lick book', every melodic phrase is some sort of lick.; it all depends how you use it. That's the problem with a lot of jazz education..theory,theory,theory.There is only one scale(in western music) and that's the chromatic scale
Yes, but to continue with the language comparison, jazz is pretty much the Latin of music. It's awfully difficult to imagine someone capable of stringing two sentences together without at least *some* advanced knowledge of grammar. English, by contrast, is a very easy, adaptable language--perhaps the blues? Not saying any language or style is "better" but some just flat-out require more technical knowledge. I definitely agree that intimate knowledge of theory doesn't translate to great music
I should add a note to my post--latin isn't the best metaphor, because it's structurally restrictive, whereas the whole point of jazz is toying with structures and doing one's own thing. It's just that theory makes it easier to understand what people before you did so that you can more easily get a "traditional" sound. That's the point of theory for any genre. The people who contribute new ideas aren't relying heavily on theory. As you say, there's only 1 scale--go nuts and see what happens.
@otnas01 Except if you study harmony at all, you learn that there are in fact many scales and you learn what they sound like. The chromatic scale does not sound a unity with a Cmaj7b5 chord. The chromatic scale does not sound a unity with a F-7b5 chord.
The chromatic scale sounds a unity with a Cmaj13 add#11, b9, #9, b13, #15 chord. How often do you see that chord? The answer is never.
Your comment is an oversimplification of harmony that will lead people down the wrong path.
@Parvenu333 I admit I was a bit simplistic, but if you have studied Jazz harmony as long as I have and have transcribed solos ranging from Scott Joplin to John Scofield you'd know what I mean. I'm afraid you are like a lot of my students; when presented with a Cmaj7b5 they play around with the C Lydian mode. However, when I play a lick such as starting on the 13th(A) and descending chromatically to the 6th (A), they are baffled how great it sounds ; true Jazzers have that ability. Wrong path eh?
@otnas01 I wasn't actually implying that you haven't studied harmony, I was just using that to make a point. But, I understand where you're coming from. I'm gonna have to try that lick ;)
@otnas01 I agree. Language is communication WITH not at or to; with! Impro Music should give and take; very little in jazz today . The new thing with jazz instruction Q&A. A question has a reason waiting for a spontaneous answer not a meorized figure from a set of tables and it must entertain the audience. My very talented jazz monster friends feel that jazz needs no audience. It's music for art saked. To many self acclaimed artists in jazz today.
@otnas01 yeah ok, try to teach just a chromatic scale to a beginner musician, let's see if anyone can learn anything from that. Proper music education is IMPORTANT, one has to start somewhere before being able to play good, better than just talking about things he has no clue.
@William102582 Er..I don't know about you but I don't teach beginners Pat Martino. If you read my comments properly you'd know exactly what I mean regarding the use of chromatics. All the Jazz greats from Charlie Christian to Mike Brecker use this device. Indeed it is not a coincidence that many compositions such as Hot House , Straight No Chaser,Donna Lee etc have chromatic passages. It is the fundamental ingredient. You cannot play this type of Jazz just using standard diatonic scales!
yeah, it's obviously very beneficial to know beforehand how a given note sounds on top of a given harmony, be it via using only your ear or by having studied theory. No one will sound convincing just playing random notes, you have to actually hear the music in your head before you play. "Only play what you hear. If you don't hear anything, don't play anything. " -Chick Corea
I agree the idea is to analyize the modes as separate entities. Frank Gambales Modes nO Mysterey is a great DVD as he creates harmonies you can loop on your recorder and play for hours in all the modes to your own songs really hearing what they are. Minor dorian is redundant and confusing.
If you buy the Pat Martino model, does it allow you to play like him?........just kidding.
pretorious700 11 hours ago
is that keith from the office (uk) on the piano?
pockthehairy 1 week ago
chumlee on piano
3idriantx 1 week ago
Go Pat Martino!
animefansonet 2 weeks ago
musicians please
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Jplent1 1 month ago
That guy is pretty hot..................but have you heard George really take off?
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aleksandersucharski 2 months ago
What an unusual left hand playing style.
MarcBeckK 2 months ago
@MarcBeckK It's called "mastery"
pretorious700 11 hours ago
in pat we trust!
neilraoufsw 2 months ago
Absolutely killin, the ultimate in cool. I cant think of any one else alive other than maybe George Benson that could match something like this.....................not speaking of competing or anything just level of playing.
orlandoCF1 2 months ago
@orlandoCF1 Andreas Oberg.
korntwist1 2 months ago
eighth note galore. i love pat martino.
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gajma1000 3 months ago
very good amazing guitarist. I'd like to play like him...I'm so studing
TheTasbo 3 months ago
ajaja que musica tan Fea¡
MONTOYAXX1 3 months ago
@MONTOYAXX1 Tomaré tu opinión musical de quien viene, un amante del reggetón !
arielvalle1 3 months ago
Damn, one of the best jazz guitar players ever
PL4894 3 months ago
magic fingers...damn this is the most fast guitar playing i ve heard...
wreyoG 3 months ago
No one should be allowed to play this good TWICE in their life!
gannonb4u 4 months ago
ahhhh ok i hear the bridge but this sounds like is highly re-harm' ed
DajaWaja 4 months ago
i know they be playing oleo but during the solos that's not your tipical rhythm changes it sounds to me like they be playing the solos modal, dontcha think?
DajaWaja 4 months ago 2
@DajaWaja You can play Bb blues if you want over the A's. Its all in how you think of it.
zachjal 3 months ago
@zachjal ppffff what are you talking about? this has nothing to do with what i was saying
DajaWaja 3 months ago
@zachjal What are you talking about? Scales? This has nothing to do with what i was saying. Blues ''flavor'' can be used whenever you hear it
DajaWaja 3 months ago
definitely the best guitarist in the world...
jeustor 4 months ago
It's not so much about chromatic scales, as much as it is about bebop scales- that is , inserting the appropriate chromatic tone into any diatonic seven note scale.
egyptianminor 4 months ago
Pat and Joey? Oh yeah!
ReubenAdkins 4 months ago
Pat is one my guitar heros who inspired me to play Jazz ....cheers . Gerard Machado
stellablr 5 months ago
My favourite Jazz guitarist amazing Pat ..play on.....
stellablr 5 months ago
Pat's lines are too complex for ten people.
janecroft 5 months ago
Martino, always the Grand Master of the guitar!!!! No one could touch him!!
padleynj 5 months ago
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GreyF4CE 6 months ago
Pat is so very smooth. Awesome!!!
MarvinSheats 6 months ago
@z0mgzt0m
If you like jazz fusion, then be sure to check out the brecker brothers, chick corea, herbie hancock, etc.
JWenhardtMusic 7 months ago
why does the cameraman changes views so many times ??? i don't want to see the camera moving, I just want to see pat, joey and the drummer play!!!
Bruno8081 7 months ago
Another great video.
jghunlimited 7 months ago
Is this avaiable on DVD?
phrytsak1 8 months ago
Patrick Star led me here...Free Form Jazz!!
Crashlinevas 8 months ago
I wish my name were Pat so I could be incredible at Jazz guitar.
Bugera369 8 months ago
@Bugera369 Your comment, tongue in cheek I hope, reminds me of an old question: 'How do you get to Carnegie Hall?' Answer- PRACTICE
oldsyphilitic 2 months ago
@oldsyphilitic How do you get to Carnegie Hall? connections connections connections, haha
AmericanDiaz 2 months ago
fuckin' Pat....the man shuts people up.badass motherfucker
pretorious700 8 months ago
martino is the man...but do you hear the drummer and the organ? they are on a communication quest. They connect big time. Each guy is listening to the other.
This is music!!!
dashe60 8 months ago
@dashe60 that's because they are Joey Defrancesco and Byron Landham, they play togheter a LOT :) just heard them with another guitar player in Bern, Switzerland! Was amazing! Keep groovin'
xoeidi 8 months ago
@xoeidi it makes a great difference when musician play together a lot. The synergy is so different. Its funny but I can tell the difference.
dashe60 8 months ago
I wish I became a complete badass then forgot how to play guitar then figured it out again only to be a complete badass again.
johngeetar 8 months ago
Martino's phrases are incredible.. master of the guitar
xXironraiderXx 8 months ago
sou fã do pat martino,sou guitarrista do brasil,sou louco pelo som do jazz dele.
ribslaver 9 months ago
Bliss
chickenslayer666 9 months ago
Im trying to get into more jazz, reccommend me some stuff? :D
I particularly like jazz fusion :)
z0mgzt0m 10 months ago
@z0mgzt0m for guitarists: pat metheny, john mclaughlin, john scofield, george benson, allan holdsworth, frank gambale, al di meola, paco de lucia, shawn lane, morten faerestrand, etc....those are at varying levels of "jazz" and "jazz rock/fusion"
for other instrumentalists, check out the big names: charlie parker, john coltrane, sonny rollins, thelonius monk, dizzy gillespie, art tatum, etc. etc.
alspageddi 9 months ago
@alspageddi Thanks dude, much appreciated :)
z0mgzt0m 9 months ago
@z0mgzt0m no prob! i can't believe i forgot to mention bireli lagrene, though! ahh, i could mention 100 more musicians if i tried...i'm sure you have enough to keep you busy for now, though
alspageddi 9 months ago
That licks around 3:00 are really good!
guitarsumo007 10 months ago
Les italiens sont vraiment les meilleurs en guitare : Steve Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Sambora, Pat Martino, Frank Marino, ..etc..etc
ragyps 10 months ago
@ragyps sauf que tous ces mecs sont ricains lol
SlikkTim 10 months ago
@SlikkTim
Oui mais par rapport aux français d'origine, ils sont pas mal.
ragyps 9 months ago
@ragyps Pat Metheno... :)))
gormarx 10 months ago
@gormarx HAHAHAHAHAHA LOL!!!!!!!!!! :D
duendeflamenco87 10 months ago
@ragyps True... Robert Conti (?), Frank Gambale, Tony Pulizzi, Dave Martone and so on... by the way...even on this video hammond got his master : Joey DeFrancesco... one more time an italian... :))) Ciao ! ;)
lousarh 8 months ago
I love the rearmonization of the head. its a great progression, anyone knows how it is?
Nowhereman90 11 months ago
ahhhh what gives it just cut off. :( Amazing tho
MrBlack125 1 year ago
Probably the best version of this tune !
Pat's playing's so smooth and the organist is incrediblely skilled
Felixxe1 1 year ago
@Felixxe1 that's Joey DeFrancesco, he's a monster and about the only organist I can think of who can keep up with Pat. Just stellar playing!
phydauex 11 months ago
Thats Pat!!!!!! yeah!!
sandroroj 1 year ago
it's looks like his guitar is fretless the way his hands move.damn
dougsusername 1 year ago
q massa
LenonGuitarPraise 1 year ago
Wow look at that awesome desktop Mac at 0:10
maydecember513 1 year ago
They should release this whole show on DVD !!!!! Pat is on !!!!!
SRVMOE 1 year ago
Who's the drummer?
Kaitano94 1 year ago
organist is joey defrancesco
nonfictreader 1 year ago
who is playing organ, anyone know?
joshuahamker15 1 year ago
@joshuahamker15 Joey DeFrancesco
Kaitano94 1 year ago
@joshuahamker15 I like your sense of humor.
AmundLauritzen 1 year ago
hahahaha the bass on the a section of the head is so sweet.
supermaques 1 year ago 5
the only thing that guy can do is speed .... If you talk about feeling, Victor van Kampen is the supreme master..... Sorry Pat
alzhammer1 1 year ago
@alzhammer1 You can't be serious? Your ears must have become numb from to much toe tappin' to smooth jazz.. Got Kenny G?
Gigfin 1 year ago 7
@alzhammer1 Change your nickname to alzheimer.
lesmiralha 1 year ago 2
@alzhammer1 lol, bro you're clueless.
serotone9 10 months ago
I would do things for that guitar...
idostuff147 1 year ago
@idostuff147 how about practicing?
serotone9 10 months ago
what a guitarist,and what a beautiful guitar too
OISSELAtube 1 year ago
That is one swingin drummer. woooooo
Kaitano94 1 year ago
Those cats are crazy or what? Love Pat Martino's phrasing. How can DeFrancesco play bass with his feet being so fat? ;-)
jhebda 1 year ago
Joey Defrancesco is a haus.
KrummyBear 1 year ago
NO MID ORGAN SOLO IT STOPPED MY LIFE WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE UNTIL I HEAR THE REST OF IT! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
monkeys350 1 year ago
パット神
デフランセスコ神
redplouhg 1 year ago
I think that might be Billy Hart on drums - great performance. I saw this trio when they were recording live at Yoshi's in Oakland, Ca. Incredible show. It's so great to see Pat back on top of his game and burnin' like this!
davetone 1 year ago
@davetone That's definitely not Billy Hart on drums. It's Byron Landham, who's only about 30 years younger than Billy. Both are superlative jazz drummers who have played with some of the same people, but they are from different generations.
bealmond 1 year ago
@davetone the drummer is byron landham.
flipadiddle 1 year ago
this is a great session, the drummer plays great this song
fatalbert51888 1 year ago
My 2nd favorite guitarist next to GB... He's badass
xXironraiderXx 1 year ago
Idk if anyone watches pawn stars, but the dude playin piano looks exactly like chum lee.
coheed0211 1 year ago 2
que cabron es Pat!
omarsenal 1 year ago
who is the drummer on this?
letolp 1 year ago
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killlalaland 1 year ago
@killlalaland i'll just have a cheeseburger with cheese and a minor scale with dorian.
chillaxinWITbra 1 year ago
@chillaxinWITbra i'll serve it up with a side order of large words and a big glass of missing the point! :-)
killlalaland 1 year ago
@killlalaland no dude.
chillaxinWITbra 1 year ago
He's a mother
Triadboynuke 1 year ago
@killlalaland damn it, wrong 'their'
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fallnfree 1 year ago
Who's the drummer?
perovaas 1 year ago
so damned refined. so clean. so nice to my ears.
mojoefly 1 year ago
Just saw pat tonight...june 1 2010. Looks better than ever, and his hair looks really bad ass...long and thick in the back, not like this...and he played in a white open neck raised color shirt and black vest. He was styling. Best show I've seen him do. Very bluesy, but big and loud, super punchy playing. Spectacular.
sclogse1 1 year ago
@sclogse1 where?
Breakfastskater 1 year ago
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Breakfastskater 1 year ago
@Breakfastskater
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sclogse1 1 year ago
AMAZING :O Been listening to Pat for a bit now, reeeeeally like his playing, just stunning. Definately in my top 3 fave jazz players...
ScageyGuitarist 1 year ago
This is a very well contained rendition of Oleo - as it is the usual thing with the unique Martino. DeFrancesco is tighter than ever! Liked it very much. Who's the drummer?
perovaas 1 year ago
Who is the drummer?
chrispeedk 1 year ago
you can sub Oleo and play the first 16 measures of So What, the Italians won't
know the difference...
boazmoss 1 year ago
i love Pat martino , he's swinging like a god
virgil2222 1 year ago
intense playing! ^^
insaneguitarfreak 1 year ago
I love Pat Martino, he is an a amazing single note soloist, but with all do respect , he needs to take a breather from time to time, sometimes less is more. I need a aspirin.
Guitarslingersoloist 1 year ago
@Guitarslingersoloist
Agreed, it'd be nice to see him reorient some of his seemingly endless energy away from the notefest flurry and into dynamics, space, and feeeeeeling.
yumyumguitar 1 year ago
@Guitarslingersoloist He doesn't need to take a breather, he's one powerful diesel locomotive ! That's his trademark..
junboymolave 1 year ago
Damn...this is good music!!
f15r18 1 year ago
das grooft, da geht was.Pat=absolut
potatoepeter1 1 year ago
Actually you might even eventually say "I am playing THIS thing now and now THAT other one"
GiorgosDas 1 year ago
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Wongywong 1 year ago
@Wongywong my brain is melting and running out of my nostrils because of your post. thx
jclev99 1 year ago
Wow...amazing.
goonodeath 1 year ago
harmony on head is very cool
trauma15 1 year ago
cool
SIRONEDRAGON 2 years ago
Interpretation
Bb ionian(F mix)→ C dorian?
HIROYUKIAIDA 2 years ago
Yes.
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kelljm 1 year ago
I think alreadywoundpie is right. In Jazz, you have a theoretical cornerstone you can build your free scales on. That is the beauty of freedom in Jazz -improvisation! It would be boring just playin´ c dorian or a c minor pentatonic with some blue notes. Larry Coryell or John Scofield would play an entire different solo and "all would fit" anyway. Individuality and freedom, that´s all, what is Jazz about. Your ear will tell you instantly, when you pick a "wrong" note...
Tarabos1 2 years ago 2
Does any1 kno if they are just playing the common Oleo changes? cause it sounds dorianish. Are they changing the A section to Cmin for C dorian ?
tnys
larry3393 2 years ago
@larry3393 yes. And the B also
GiorgosDas 1 year ago
チョー正確!
furesyu 2 years ago
Just watch the right hand...lots to learn right there...
sclogse1 2 years ago
duude 2:40 gimme a break
tpritchas14 2 years ago
The best jazz-guitarr... player of all time!
jazzuffe 2 years ago
i think GB takes tha spot but pat is pretty good
kalpal67 2 years ago
Hey, that looks like Joey D on the B3!
Sailjunkie61 2 years ago 2
slick drums
cyhayward 2 years ago
All this talk about modes,hmmm don't you guys know that modes don't make jazz.like Bird said you can play any note on any given chord.listen and transcribe from the masters and if you're lucky you might play Jazz.
otnas01 2 years ago
@otnas01 True! and Martino himself says that his playing is based on melodic motifs. He listened to and transcribed a lot of jazz - mainly Wes Montgomery. I bet that in the heat of the moment he doesnt think "Oh shoot, theres that Cm7! Dorian or Melodic minor?". In his instructional DVDs he says he never thought about modes.
Its all about learning the language and creating your own voice from there :)
AmundLauritzen 2 years ago
Very true. I've never heard anything that Parker has said or written about jazz but I've transcribed his stuff and found myself thinking "oh my god he'll play any note he wants and make it sound groovin." Parker was insane, in many ways, playing major 7ths over dominant chords and such, but if you study him he's really THE model for jazz. Jazz is boundary-free music, all this theory is just mere suggestions. To make jazz requires no requirements but learning to play and playing your heart out
minor7b5SM 2 years ago
you have to know the theory behind it unless you expect to get lucky. you cant just be a lick book.
billdaniel92 2 years ago
of course theory is useful but theory on its own never makes Jazz. How many people who are fluent at a language know all about the grammar involved? You adopt the words and sounds then make your own sentences. As for the 'lick book', every melodic phrase is some sort of lick.; it all depends how you use it. That's the problem with a lot of jazz education..theory,theory,theory.There is only one scale(in western music) and that's the chromatic scale
otnas01 2 years ago 30
you make an excellent point! I'm attempting to say you need both :)
billdaniel92 2 years ago
thats actually very true. i was playing jazz long before i knew theory, i just couldn't tell you what i was doing back then
kalpal67 2 years ago
Yes, but to continue with the language comparison, jazz is pretty much the Latin of music. It's awfully difficult to imagine someone capable of stringing two sentences together without at least *some* advanced knowledge of grammar. English, by contrast, is a very easy, adaptable language--perhaps the blues? Not saying any language or style is "better" but some just flat-out require more technical knowledge. I definitely agree that intimate knowledge of theory doesn't translate to great music
alreadywoundpie 2 years ago
I should add a note to my post--latin isn't the best metaphor, because it's structurally restrictive, whereas the whole point of jazz is toying with structures and doing one's own thing. It's just that theory makes it easier to understand what people before you did so that you can more easily get a "traditional" sound. That's the point of theory for any genre. The people who contribute new ideas aren't relying heavily on theory. As you say, there's only 1 scale--go nuts and see what happens.
alreadywoundpie 2 years ago
@otnas01 Except if you study harmony at all, you learn that there are in fact many scales and you learn what they sound like. The chromatic scale does not sound a unity with a Cmaj7b5 chord. The chromatic scale does not sound a unity with a F-7b5 chord.
The chromatic scale sounds a unity with a Cmaj13 add#11, b9, #9, b13, #15 chord. How often do you see that chord? The answer is never.
Your comment is an oversimplification of harmony that will lead people down the wrong path.
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@Parvenu333 I admit I was a bit simplistic, but if you have studied Jazz harmony as long as I have and have transcribed solos ranging from Scott Joplin to John Scofield you'd know what I mean. I'm afraid you are like a lot of my students; when presented with a Cmaj7b5 they play around with the C Lydian mode. However, when I play a lick such as starting on the 13th(A) and descending chromatically to the 6th (A), they are baffled how great it sounds ; true Jazzers have that ability. Wrong path eh?
otnas01 1 year ago
@otnas01 I wasn't actually implying that you haven't studied harmony, I was just using that to make a point. But, I understand where you're coming from. I'm gonna have to try that lick ;)
Parvenu333 1 year ago
@otnas01 I agree. Language is communication WITH not at or to; with! Impro Music should give and take; very little in jazz today . The new thing with jazz instruction Q&A. A question has a reason waiting for a spontaneous answer not a meorized figure from a set of tables and it must entertain the audience. My very talented jazz monster friends feel that jazz needs no audience. It's music for art saked. To many self acclaimed artists in jazz today.
oldpython 1 year ago
@otnas01 thats right. its all about the chromatic scale.
fabianidhesona 1 year ago
@otnas01 well put sir
HendrixPrinceFlea89 1 year ago
@otnas01 george russell said there are 12 chromatic scales
spacepatrolman 10 months ago
@otnas01 yeah ok, try to teach just a chromatic scale to a beginner musician, let's see if anyone can learn anything from that. Proper music education is IMPORTANT, one has to start somewhere before being able to play good, better than just talking about things he has no clue.
William102582 10 months ago
@William102582 Er..I don't know about you but I don't teach beginners Pat Martino. If you read my comments properly you'd know exactly what I mean regarding the use of chromatics. All the Jazz greats from Charlie Christian to Mike Brecker use this device. Indeed it is not a coincidence that many compositions such as Hot House , Straight No Chaser,Donna Lee etc have chromatic passages. It is the fundamental ingredient. You cannot play this type of Jazz just using standard diatonic scales!
otnas01 10 months ago
Helps to to be able to hear what you want to play in your head before you try it on a keyboard or guitar...these guys....man....
sclogse1 2 years ago
yeah, it's obviously very beneficial to know beforehand how a given note sounds on top of a given harmony, be it via using only your ear or by having studied theory. No one will sound convincing just playing random notes, you have to actually hear the music in your head before you play. "Only play what you hear. If you don't hear anything, don't play anything. " -Chick Corea
junka22 2 years ago 20
@junka22 unfortunately that would mean the world would be full of silent musicians
hankhannaford 1 year ago
alguien sabe si es luis zepeda al piano?
posueso 2 years ago
no, es Pedro Weber Chatanooga y su teclado magico
laletemelgarete 2 years ago
Man he is good. Just love pat martinos playing =)
MagnusLindblOOm 2 years ago 2
I agree the idea is to analyize the modes as separate entities. Frank Gambales Modes nO Mysterey is a great DVD as he creates harmonies you can loop on your recorder and play for hours in all the modes to your own songs really hearing what they are. Minor dorian is redundant and confusing.
babinm 2 years ago
tsss esta lokisimo se la sabe esta pàt martino
brunoloko21 2 years ago
Hes totally using the altered phrygamixolydian dominant flat 9 mode off of the #6 scale degree of the D melodic minor at 2:16!
lagold80 2 years ago
do you think he thinks about that whens he's playing ? i've always wondered lol
idowork7000 2 years ago
Now, lets teach the taliban how to do this, so they something else going on in their lives.
It may take a while, tho..as I haven't figured this out yet either.
I can't even hum it.
sclogse1 2 years ago
lol
IpkisStanley 2 years ago
That keyboard player is crazy!!! Listen to the walking bass he plays in his solo!
ivanmikyska 2 years ago
Yeaaaaah!!!Jazz Up!!!
klainwoman 2 years ago
His lines just don't end. He could hold a groove for a year and three weeks, come back and still be in the pocket.
Tezman82 2 years ago 3
then he'll circle his signature lick for 24 bars while everyone else builds....amnesia my ass.....he never forgot what he was born to do.
thejazzman8 2 years ago
Actually, it wasn't amnesia, it was an aneurysm and it was near fatal.
suckemgood 1 year ago
just perfect its like a rocket takeing off
donottawaguitar 2 years ago
Of course, Pat Martino was born with the name Pat Azarra.
SonnyT2 2 years ago 2
when ur born with the name Pat Martino, fame is inevitable. superb
guitaristavista 2 years ago 4
Yeah man! Unfortunately though he was born w/ the name is Pat Azzara. LOL!
osensei2987 2 years ago
The hippest of the Hip,and coolest of the cool.
Manolian 2 years ago
@Manolian
Yea, yea , yea... what he said ... the hippest of the hip,and the coolest of the cool ...
( Me live in Amazon Jungle ... we love Pat martino ... he bad- ass jazz player)
elliottcrib 1 year ago
Pat Martino is so hip. He was playing hip shit in the 1960's and still continues to do so. Pat Martino = H.I.P.
G7flat5 2 years ago 2